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Kundalini Explained With Lisa Kelly!
When talk therapy stalls and trauma remains locked in your body, where do you turn? Lisa Kelly returns to the podcast to introduce us to the transformative power of Kundalini energy healing—a modality that works directly with the life force energy we all carry within.
This eye-opening conversation explores how trauma becomes physically stored in our bodies, creating patterns and limitations that conscious awareness alone can't always address. Lisa expertly breaks down how Kundalini works as a "cellular massage," helping release blocked energy through spontaneous movements, vocalizations, and emotional releases. The results can be life-changing—from newfound clarity and authenticity to natural shifts in relationships, habits, and self-perception.
You'll discover the fascinating connection between energetic and physical well-being, including why post-session practices like grounding, proper nutrition, and energetic hygiene are crucial for integration. Lisa shares powerful personal stories of transformation, including how Kundalini helped her process grief, anger, and past traumas when traditional approaches reached their limits.
Whether you're new to energy work or looking to deepen your healing journey, this conversation offers practical insights on finding a trustworthy facilitator, preparing for sessions, and integrating the experience. The episode particularly resonates for empaths, those with trauma history, and anyone feeling stuck in their healing despite years of talk therapy.
Ready to discover if this path of surrender might be the missing piece in your healing journey? Connect with Lisa on Instagram @LisaKellyLifeCoaching to learn about upcoming sessions or to find trusted Kundalini facilitators in your area.
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Hey guys, welcome back to Updated AF Collective, the podcast. Today I have my friend, Lisa Kelly back on the podcast. You guys, we've had her on before and since then I've just been still like DMing her and bugging her at all times that I could get, and so she's a friend of the podcast. So you guys know her from. We did you know the life coaching stuff we showcased you doing that and all the amazing things that you've been doing with your story and everything. And today we are going to be talking about Kundalini healing, because that again is something that I've never took a deep dive into. And, of course, like I DM'd her and I was like we need to have you on so we can talk about this. And so, Lisa, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're so welcome and thank you for having me. I love your energy, as always, I love our friendship, and when you were like you have to come on and talk about this, I was like, of course, like it makes sense.
Speaker 1:So thank you for having me here. Thank you so much. Yeah, I I don't know. I hope like one day we get to meet in person because, like I said, like I've loved you from the minute I started following you on Instagram and my goal is to like go to the UK and meet all these like amazing women that have been on the podcast and I didn't just see you and I like going out and having fun and like going to yoga. I can totally see that you and I are like so similar yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I feel like we'd be definitely best friends if we lived closer.
Speaker 1:I feel bad for like anybody that would be around us. So if we went out to a bar and like had a drink or even got coffee, I feel bad. Everybody would probably think we're like the loud, obnoxious girls. But I don't know, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Passionate, that's us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my gosh, especially me. I'm always the loud girl in the room, but okay, well, let's, let's dive into it. Okay, first of all, like I want to know about you, this business. So you just jumped into kundalini healing and I want to hear what you have to say about it. So you actually, do you teach it or do you practice it? What is the right phrase? Because, again, I am elementary level when it comes to this?
Speaker 2:So it would be facilitation. So I'm a kundalini facilitator. What that means, so kundalini as an energy, is life force energy. It resides within all of us, like every human being, and it's like referred to as serpent energy, sort of coiled at the bottom of the spine. So what often happens is where life happens to us are.
Speaker 2:This energy is often suppressed because of traumas. So, without going too scientific, because I'm not your girl, like there's different studies and practices. Or like, um, I think of when the body or the body keeps the score. So it's like what we don't process stays trapped within our systems and suppresses down this life force energy. So, kundalini in, if you go to a kundalini session, it's like an activation session.
Speaker 2:So, as a facilitator, I'm um, attuned to the energy, like a tuning fork. So I create like an energy field and you, being in the energy field, your body will start to resonate to that, so it will start to purify your energy. Or like, um your, your chakra system and think of it. Like the traumas that have happened to you are stored in the body and this energy starts to like give you like a cellular massage. I'm doing all like swooshy things, I don't know why no one can see me, um, like a cellular massage, and it starts to help you process and release those traumas that you have experienced and been through. So the more that like, the more that you're exposed to the energy like, the more clear your channel is, and then you might respond to it in different ways. So, um, I don't want to keep talking, in case I've gone too over your question. Well, this is great.
Speaker 1:I I'm picturing it in my head. So, like when you made the comment about the tuning fork and that has a specific vibration, and there's a video that I saw not too long ago about a guy with a tuning fork and then it was like another. I can't remember if it was like water or something like that, but you know, cause water has its own vibration, so he would change out different tuning forks until one matched the vibrational energy of the water and then it made the water move. There's like a whole thing on it and what I'm picturing is you coming in with a higher vibration or a vibration that you need to be at in order to share that with the other person until it kind of matches. Is that what I'm imagining Like? Is that right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's like as a facilitator, I've had to be on the mat and in the energy Lord knows how many times, I don't know the amount of times and what that's doing is increasing my vibration, exactly as you said, to the energy. So when we come into a session then I create like an energy vortex where we bring this energy in. So I know that we sort of talked before we started recording. Like a Reiki master will be able to attune to the frequency of Reiki and then move the energy, or I don't really know how Reiki works, so I don't want to do that a disservice. And Kundalini is the same. It's like it's a different vibration. It's a different, yeah, as as it purifies your system and releases the blockages, then your body starts to rise up to that frequency and it is a high frequency. So, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you have to do in order to get yourself into that frequency Cause? Let's be real, like we don't wake up like that. That. So one I know. You have to probably protect your own frequency because you're dealing with these clients that are coming to you because they're in pain or because they're at a low frequency. How do you get yourself to a high frequency? And then how do you protect it while you are with a client?
Speaker 2:so there's two. Like people can have spontaneous kundalini awakenings. Um, they're quite often they happen at nighttime, it seems where people will all of a sudden have maybe they've been on their healing journey for such a long time that their body has naturally, the vibration of their body, has increased, and then they're attuned to the energy and that often results. People know that they've had it because they'll have physical reactions. So they might have spontaneous movements or, yeah, they're known as kriyas where the body is perhaps shaking, trembling, moving. It can move however it wants. You know, it's completely well, it's different every time. So that's one way that it can happen. And then the other way is to be putting yourself in these classes, to go to somebody who can facilitate the energy and you expose yourself to it.
Speaker 2:So as I did my training, I had to not just do the science-y bit and the study online, which was a six-month program and a very heavily, you know, detailed set of modules. I think that there's over 90 modules I had to go through but it's also me staying in the energy myself. So when you come to a session, as humans and as busy people, we are often so busy going through life that we don't stop and deal with the things that are happening. So you come to session and um, you're all of a sudden face, um, allowed to face yourself, or allowed, that's the wrong word um, permission, yeah, so you can face yourself and then, as you're exposed to the frequency of kundalini, that the things that have kept you stuck safe, that have impacted you, will start to be released and processed. So the more that you're in that energy, the the more you know doing the work, the more work that you're doing releasing and not just releasing in the physical sense, because people scream, they cry, they plead, they beg, they, whatever's coming up.
Speaker 2:If you're like revisiting it, it's about the integration. So it's like who am I? Now I have processed that thing. So those girls that were mean to me when I was nine years old, now I've like completed that trauma cycle. Oh, I'm not so afraid to go into the canteen at lunchtime now and hang out with other people, because I've sort of healed that part of my story which has then changed my, my outcome and my actions and what I'm going to do. So you keep exposing yourself to like process all the different things that have happened to you. And then, yeah, the other part is the integration part of the work and allowing it to change how you think about yourself, how you show up in the world, who you are, what you what you do and the things you think. And yeah, so like.
Speaker 1:But how many sessions does it take? Because I don't see this being like a one and done for the people that have like that serious, serious trauma, like the big t trauma, like sexual trauma, child abuse and stuff like that. Do they come to you for multiple sessions?
Speaker 2:yeah, like that's the. It's um a good way to describe it. It's what one of my you know colleagues, friends I say colleagues, but she also facilitates. But one of my friends, she's like you don't just go if you've got like bad acne and you go for a facial. You're not, you don't have beautifully radiant skin after one facial.
Speaker 2:It's a commitment, it's a process that you have to, yeah, commit to that is the word. And it's like your nervous system will only meet you where you are at. Like, if you have had these terrible things, um, the big traumas that you've mentioned, they're not all going to come out in one session. Like, first of all, the body has to feel safe enough to express it, to release it, to let go. So everybody's experience is different. Like, sometimes you arrive to the session and you might have a really still experience, but your body might just be slowing down and, you know, coming out of fight or flight and being like, oh my gosh, it is safe for me to express, to feel or to just be without being on edge. So it can be a commitment and there's there's different ways you can do it. You can either commit to yourself, saying you know I'm going to do of saying you know I'm gonna do. Oh well, I'll share my story a bit.
Speaker 2:When I went to Bali, which is where I first did it like two years ago, I committed to going once a week and then I went on retreat and I did a weekend and we had six sessions, I think, friday to Monday, and it was like, whilst I'm here and I'm unpacking my shit, I am, I'm gonna commit to once a week. It depends on the person. You know some people that might be too much for them. The things that come up might be too much. So you would then be like maybe once every two weeks or maybe once a month.
Speaker 2:It depends what your goal is, what your story is like, and it's an ongoing thing like I've. I, you know myself, I facilitated at the weekend, I had quite a big group and I've got a session tomorrow night and I'm to receive and I can't wait because I'm like I can feel it I need to. One, I need to stay in the energy and two, I need to release myself. So yeah, and I know you asked about protecting yourself there and I haven't, because like I love the fact that you also get it done.
Speaker 1:It's just like the same thing that therapists whether you go to talk therapy, they have therapists like your therapists have therapists. And so you, being a Kundalini um, you said facilitator, did I say that? Right? You need to also protect yourself, so I love the fact that you also go get it done. So, besides you getting it done yourself, what's another way that you protect yourself? Because I'm assuming you're also an empath? I think a lot of women are especially healers. We're empathic, and so how do you put up that boundary with clients? You're not absorbing that in your own energy field.
Speaker 2:For me and this is just entirely my experience is I've done enough of the work and I've been through enough shit to know what's mine and what's not. Like I know that what someone's sharing with me, I can hold them in it through the depth of my traumas. But I don't have to absorb that and I know like that. I have practices that I do it. It means that before session and after session I will be by myself. I am filling my cup up so that even you know I share with all my clients in any session. I'm like there is nothing you can bring to this session that I can't hold you in. I promise you I've got you and which is a really big statement to make, but I'm so behind it. So it's like, in order for me to do that, I can't be running ragged, you know, and emptying my cup, diluting myself, spreading my energy everywhere. It means that I protect myself. It means that I'm not on my phone as much. I'm protecting all the things that you would do normally, like good sleep habits and routine. I supplement with magnesium to support my sleep. Um, what else do I do? Spending time in nature, like grounding.
Speaker 2:I've been in sessions before where I've come out and, um, a particularly big release that I had.
Speaker 2:I literally had to stand on the grass, hands and feet, and the spiritual woo-woo as it sounds.
Speaker 2:That's what I needed, because I was like operating high up in the cosmos. And then I came out of it and I was like I need to just be in, near the earth, I need to ground myself and yeah. So all all of those things and just knowing that, yeah, whatever people share with me, it's not mine, it's not mine and it's just resonating with them like make, allowing them to express whatever it is or share whatever it is, and try and remove as much shame as possible, to be like you know, not meeting them with oh my god, that happened to you more so, being like I hear you and I'm here and I maybe you know, someone gave me feedback the other day. They were like you knew, you know when to give a good hug as well, and I was like, yeah, like sometimes you just need to be held and it's like I'm gonna give you one of those hugs that hold you, that you know that you're not going through this alone, whatever it is yeah, and that's where, like, the empathic part I feel like comes into play.
Speaker 1:It's like in your intuition, is like you, just you know how to read that energy of like. Okay, this person really does need to be like, held, held, versus when they need to just have a second to just be that themselves. So I need to know cause, like, obviously, like I'm trying to picture cause I've watched your Instagram videos. For anybody listening, she posts this stuff on Instagram. You guys need to go see it actual clients and you working on these clients and they have the involuntary movements and stuff like that, as you are, you know, going over them with this technique. So, like what, what's happening? What is making them have those involuntary movements? Because what I'm picturing is like energy, because, like, our bodies do hold a lot of, whether it's like good or bad, we have, we that memory, and even science is proving obviously, like water holds memory and what are we made out of? We're made out of water. So I'm picturing like energy moving as you were taking your hands and you're moving them over these people. So, like, can you explain what is actually going on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it works. The way that I've been trained and the way that I work as well is not just with the energy, but like using body work. So you can see like the participants will lay down on the mat and, as we say, kundalini is attractive because it's the path of surrender. You're not breathing, you're not doing it, no, you are breathing. You know what I I mean. You're not like working in the session. You are there to lay to receive. So we move the energy as facilitators and you can see where it gets stuck. You'll see that the body might start to move and then it'll be like oh, it's almost like hitting a roadblock. So I always ask permission beforehand and it's like I will guide the energy by pressing on certain points on the body, so the meridian points of the body. So there are different places where you'll press in order to keep the energy flowing. So you then use your hands as the tools to guide. And the other part of that is a lot of the time it needs to be expressed, and you know, I know it's probably different, I live in the UK express, and you know, I know it's probably different, I live in the UK. A lot of the time here people don't express themselves verbally or vocally much at all. They've got this fear of being heard of, you know, being judged. So quite often I will encourage clients and you know participants when they're in the session, it's like I can see that you need to scream because it's like the way that it's presenting through the neck, the head, the jaw or whatever. So I'll say to them I'll go first scream with me.
Speaker 2:And it happened on Saturday. Actually, one of the ladies. I was like you need to scream this out, and she was like I can't. And I said you, you can, you know, forceful here. And I was like I'll scream with you. Yes, I screamed and literally I said just force it to begin with, you know that. And like it's like using the vocal cords, it's like loosening the jar, and then all of a sudden, this scream come out of her and she said to me afterwards I can't even tell you for how many years I've needed to do that and I was like I could see it. But I, my eyes are open, yours are shut, I can see. So then it's like scream, let that go, what? And then, and then that's the other part of the work now, who are you. Now you've let that go, you're not carrying that anymore, so it can come out of the throat, um, or it can come out physically, like with, with different movements and whatever. So I don't know. If I go off track, apologize.
Speaker 1:I don't know. This is perfect because it leads into my next question. It's like you're working with the chakras, right, cause it sounds like you're. You know, for people that don't speak their truth or have always been silenced that was me growing up. I've, I've always had I I was never allowed to talk. You know, like that's just how my family was. Like kids are not allowed to talk. It's like one of the saying is like kids are to be seen and not heard, and so, growing up, I've always been afraid to take space or to to to talk about things or whatever, and so I've always had issues with, like, my throat chakra and I always get sore throats. When I start acting like that, like my old self, my old, like 16 year old self, I always get sore throats and I know that's like a throat chakra thing. So for people like your client, who needed that to that release like to scream, that's a throat chakra thing, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah absolutely Block, yeah, and you know, with different, different facilitators they will, they will specifically work on certain things um, that's not how I operate at the minute, but like they might do like womb clearing, or they'll do throat chakra activations, or so they're like guiding the energy and you're almost specifically going to them to to be able to unlock that part of whatever healing it is that you're going for. Um, and I just want to say, when you said about taking up space, like again, I had another client in a session. I, when we discussed it, I mean I could see how she was operating and I said to her in the, in the beforehand if your arm wants to move in a certain way, then it does. Like, if in real life, you are someone who keeps yourself small, even if your body feels like it wants to starfish, start taking up space. You know, start.
Speaker 2:And and if this is your place to practice that whilst you're in a high frequency energy and you just want to practice taking up space, then that that's my invitation to you. Like, do it, and then you start to then transfer that to the real life. You like, yeah, it's like, oh, I was able to take up space, I was able to use my voice, I was able to shake off that thing, and then it's like okay, cool. So what does that mean for you now? How can you apply this to life? To act differently, show up differently, be differently.
Speaker 1:This is why I think I need this, because I go to PTSD therapy every Thursday and I still feel like I am wasting my therapist's time. I apologize profusely, like I always feel like I'm boring her, like I don't know what it is about talk therapy, but I still am not there and I've been doing it since October and what we're in March now. So that can tell you, like, how talk therapy can take a long time, and that's why, when you started talking about this, kundalini, you know all these experiences that you have with your clients like I'm like if this can almost make it happen a little bit quicker. So if somebody like me who's having a hard time with talk therapy because of, again, like past traumas, just talking about things that have happened to me, this might work better for me, if anything.
Speaker 2:I really would encourage you to try it. But anything somatically that you can do to release it from your body is, in my opinion, what you need to do. And I probably shouldn't say what you need to do, but I really do, I'm I'm such a like an advocate for it that what talk therapy has its place and you know they can complement each other really well. But it's like if you can talk through what's come up for you, but you then have a practice to be able to release it, because I, um, I, what happened? I went into a session once and I was, you know, being cocky with the energy as I was, um, so I remember going oh no, it was.
Speaker 2:I was like come on then, kimberlini, like, intellectually, show me, show me my darkness, show me what's holding me back in life. And this memory come up and I was. I was on the floor, but I was floored by it because all of a sudden I could remember it playing out and I was like, where has that been stored? And I joke and say, oh, it might have been stored in my elbow, but whatever it is and it goes back to the science of the body keeps the score. So it's like we can intellectualize things as much as we want, but if your body's holding on to it, you're still going to repeat the same pattern because you haven't somatically got it out of your system. So it's like kundalini is a beautiful like, and I know I'm here to talk about kundalini.
Speaker 2:But for anybody listening, find your thing, whatever it is somatically. Find your thing and stick with it or commit to it. Because if it's breath work, if it's Kundalini, if it's dance, if it's something else that I can't think of, like, whatever it is that's going to complement that, the talk, therapy or the yeah, just like, because sometimes our bodies are reacting in a certain way that we have, we won't remember. Our conscious mind has suppressed it or um forgotten it. To keep us safe, because it wants to keep us safe, it's all it's. Its highest intention is always not to yeah, to keep you safe.
Speaker 2:I had to think it's yeah, it doesn't always want to keep you happy, it wants to keep you safe, and that is its highest intention at all times. So it's like we will then repeat unfamiliar or familiar things that make us really unhappy, and if we can release them somatically from the body, then we're winning like we are winning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, like you said, like if anything bad happens to us, whether it's big trauma or a little trauma, it doesn't even matter. It can be, like you said, like if anything bad happens to us, whether it's big trauma or little trauma, it doesn't even matter. It can be, like you said, like some girl made a comment about, you know, your outfit, and then you, you stored that in your body and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm ugly and I don't know how to dress, or whatever, and that goes into your adult life. You know, that's still in us, because we don't want to experience that again, and so our brain will live in the past and we will apply it to the future. So now we're more conscious of ourselves. We're, you know, self-conscious about what we wear and everything, because we don't want to experience somebody laughing at our outfit or you know.
Speaker 1:So it took like for me, like definitely took time for me to be able to just be like I don't care if I walk out of this house without makeup, but I used to care. I used to care a lot about the way I looked, the way I ate. I had, you know, anorexia for years and stuff like that because of things like that and, um, it's taken a long time for that to to for me to be okay with it. I know it's still in there because it's a trauma response.
Speaker 1:When, when stressful things happen to me, I go back to restricted eating and especially starting PTSD therapy, I'm like finding myself back in little 16 year old Megan, like restricting my food and watching what I eat, because it's a trauma response and that's why, um, I really do feel like I need to look into this after we get off this call and I need to do something to move that out, because talking about it is not moving the energy out. I almost feel like talking about it in talk therapy is just numbing it, and I brought that up to my therapist. I feel like the more we just talk about things, I'm just so tired of talking about it that it becomes numb. But it's still there. And since talking about it and this is why I love the idea, or I love the fact that you said it can go anywhere that energy, that trauma can move anywhere in your body. It could be in your elbow or whatever, and I, and since talking about it, I've been having back pain.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and that's like again a different session. Session I was at one of the ladies shared at the end and it's not just ladies, men do that, do this work too. I just seem to have a lot of ladies that I've worked with, um, but she was like I've had this headache for the longest time and it's gone. And another lady was like she had back pain before the session and then she was like I can't feel, I'm not resonating with that pain anymore and it was like, yeah, because you've probably shifted something. I mean, you might then get a painful shoulder, like it's not a complete cure, but it's like you're moving the energy to release it and that's why it like it's been.
Speaker 2:I got to a point like I've been through therapy as well and I dip in and out. I do a dip. Sometimes I'm like, oh no, I got to a point like I've been through therapy as well and I dip in and out. I do a dip. Sometimes I'm like, oh no, I need to talk this through, cause I like to understand. And then other times I'm like I am just taking this straight to Kundalini and I'm releasing it. Um, and I got to. The reason I started I even went to my first session was because I was like I'm not getting anywhere anymore and I've seen the how these people I did see on Instagram to begin with, and I was like I was so curious as to what this energy was and I remember going to my first session and I didn't have a physical reaction at all.
Speaker 2:I felt like I'd been pinned to the floor, like I literally was like someone had put lead in my body and I was just heavy feeling yeah we've all that girl yeah and then I was like, oh, but I had these visuals of like I was coming home to myself and I just kept like I remember leaving there and at the time I'd been drinking quite a lot, and then I was like I don't want to drink alcohol. And then I was like what? That's not like you. And then it was like oh, yeah, oh, I don't want to eat that food. And I'm like, wait, well, that's not like you. And then it was like, yeah, oh, I don't want to eat that food. And I'm like, wait, what?
Speaker 2:And it's like sometimes the patterns of behavior that we have are they're causing us to do certain things and they stem from something that we have no idea about.
Speaker 2:And then you, you come to a session and you release something and all of a sudden you don't like coffee anymore and you're like what?
Speaker 2:That's my go-to drink for however long, or? Or you'll be, like we always say at the end of the session like you might go to that group of friends that you've got and you don't resonate with them anymore and you suddenly start to feel different and and then it's like the conversations that you have are starting to change and the people and the places and the relationships and when you would let your boss talk to you like shit, all of a sudden you're going to stand up for yourself a little bit and it's a bit unfamiliar and obviously you have to take it slow in that sense because so many things when I think about how my life has changed since I started this work, I have some key friendships that have have stayed, but then I've also got ones that I've lost and I've changed, like my job's changed my career, my life, my how I think about myself. Just so much has changed and I'm like, if I can be in this energy and it keeps doing this to me, sign me up literally, as you are saying all of that.
Speaker 1:I'm like crap. This is why you have more females than male clients. Now hear me out for a second. This is, this is down the rabbit hole and I had this like wild theory. So I think, because women experience more hormonal imbalances let's be real, like we were all over the map, because we have, like those cycles and we have everything. We're all out of whack.
Speaker 1:And and when you made a comment of like one minute, you, you know your go-to drink is coffee, and then the next you don't like it. And all I kept thinking about is when I was pregnant with my daughter, everything changed for me, because I had, now my hormones were all over the freaking map. I didn't even like the smell of coffee. Um, I couldn't eat meat. Um, it was. I was a completely different person.
Speaker 1:And when you are doing this work and we're moving all that energy around and everything, I almost wonder if it, if it stabilizes hormones, because now you are turning into a more healthier version of yourself. And and this is why I kept I kept thinking I was like, oh my God, like this is why there are more women trying to heal themselves with Reiki, kundalini, any type of energy work. It's because we crave that like stabilization of hormones. What do you think of that? That isn't, is that crazy? Maybe that's why there's more females in the space than there are males, because we just want to feel like ourselves and we want to feel normal and we want to feel like like you know, these high vibrations all the time.
Speaker 2:I. I think you could be onto something, because I think that our bodies know. They know what to do.
Speaker 1:You know what to do, you know what you need to do and so, like I, I'm right now like talking to you, I'm just like I need to get in on this class, like I need to go find a class because, like you just said, we know what we need in intuitively and our bodies know what to gravitate towards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I I just I do want to mention, like um, cause you've said about the PTSD uh therapy, you you'll have to approach it with discernment of you know, taking it slow and um, having that conversation with the practitioner facilitator that you go to to maybe just explain what it is so that they can take that into consideration, because we have like a set of contraindications. You know, like if you're prone to schizophrenia, mania, suicidal ideation or whatever it is, these classes might not be suitable for you. Like some people have experienced these things and been on like lots of medication and been able to wean themselves off because they've healed the root. But obviously this isn't medical advice here, but it is about having the conversation and signing the disclaimer with your practitioner and then going from there and taking it slow, because I know people who you know they they've been in the energy and they weren't able, like they might even be like that bringing down their defense mechanism was so re-traumatizing for them because of their experience. So it was like they have been in the energy and they have worked through and come to a place where again been able to express, open their body as such and even have the body work aspect of the class done.
Speaker 2:But they've come a long way. But it's been that commitment to I feel safe, I trust who I'm working with, I feel safe to surrender and to let go and then that's been monumental for them in their journey. But whoever, if they go to a class or whatever do, if you have anything, um, I mean, even if I have a disclaimer checklist thing that people could look at if in case other people didn't like looking at that and just being honest, like I had a lady for Saturday's class say to me oh, I have experience, I can't remember what she said and we had a conversation and she was like no, I feel safe to come. And I've spoken to her since and she's been fine.
Speaker 1:But it's like you know being responsible for yourself as well, because you don't want to dislodge something that is crazy because, like, you think about it, like if you're not ready, or if a friend drags you there and you're not ready, you can be re-traumatizing yourself all over again. You have to be 100% in, or at least 90% in, and say you know what, like I'm ready, and being on medication again, talking about like not being in the right state of mind, that can elevate you know your adrenaline rushes, you can feel like you're back in it. You know what I mean. So, like medications, yeah, I feel like if you're on heavy medications, maybe that Kundalini is not for you, right, because it can have an adverse effect, do you think? I mean? I know we're both not doctors, but I can only imagine some of those medications are really harsh and so when your body is like moving that energy, it can almost hurt you versus help you it can almost hurt you versus help you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we, you know, we don't know how the like say, if you're taking a medication that might increase your heart rate suddenly and then you're exposed to this energy and this frequency that might feel, you might get like a tingling sensation or the heat rush, or maybe you do, your heart rate rate does increase or however your body responds to it, but it could be amplified by the medication.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's definitely um, operating with discernment and just like, yeah, if kundalini wouldn't be the thing that you go to, like starting off slow, with with a somatic practice, like if I had things like that and I probably shouldn't put my neck on the line here but even dancing, like you know, moving energy, going for a walk, like doing something that, where you are moving your body, you will shift the energy. And then, you know, going on the breathwork journey, and then I know people that did breathwork first and then they went to kundalini where they were like, okay, I want to. It's almost like the depth and going down, like like, yeah, the depth of the chart of like what you can do next that was literally.
Speaker 1:My next question is like a client do to loosen themselves up, whether it's like grounding, whether you're walking around barefoot outside in nature, is it? Is it yoga? Is it? Um, like, what can they do to like loosen it up and then go to Kundalini so that it's maybe it can come out a little bit easier? Um, like, what would you recommend them do prior to, maybe the night before? Maybe no alcohol? Do you? Do you request that you want to like a high vibe diet of, just like you know, high vibrational, like um, meals, like fruits and vegetables kind of thing? Like, walk us through that. Like, walk us through what it's like. If I was trying to book a session with you, what would you tell me to do?
Speaker 2:So, yeah, when you book a session, you'll receive an email and it will advise you to avoid so, from 24 hours before, definitely alcohol, and then up to four hours before, like, you want to really attend without caffeine or really food in your stomach. So, um, you don't want the energy to be digesting the food that you've eaten and you also don't want it to be amplifying the caffeine that you've had and, you know, perhaps sending you into an adverse reaction, like the food that you eat before you come. I mean, a clean diet is always going to be best, but if you, if you, haven't eaten that way, it's it's, you know, it's okay because of like, at the end of the session, what will happen is I? Well, in my classes, all I can speak is for myself, is I will? I will guide you and advise you on the foods that you should be eating. Like, you're mentioning grounding foods, cooling foods, so anything that's like single ingredient. You know, depending on where you are in the world, maybe having cooling foods like watermelon, coconut, cucumber if you are in the UK, just anything, because kundalini is the fire element, so you're working with the energy of fire. So, yeah, you would, would you'll be advised what you should eat afterwards and you will go off certain things, like when, when I've been on retreat or I've done, you know, intense sets of sessions. I really do go off processed food. I'm not saying I eat it all the time anyway. But you know, at my time of the month there's a certain chocolate bar in the UK, um, that I will like I've bought it, and then I don't even eat it all the time anyway. But you know, at my time of the month there's a certain chocolate bar in the UK, um, that I will like I bought it, and then I don't even eat it and I'm like who are you? Who are you? So it's like you, your palate will change and it's then protecting like.
Speaker 2:For me, my experience was I'm exposing myself to this energy and I'm committing to processing the really heavy stuff that I've been carrying for a long time. I actually really want to nourish my body. I'm committing to processing the really heavy stuff that I've been carrying for a long time. I actually really want to nourish my body. I really want to look after myself. I really I don't want to like knowing now what I know. I don't want to keep, you know, feeding it low vibrational things, because food carries energy as well. So then that's a whole other topic, isn't?
Speaker 1:it. I'm with you on that one. And it sucks because, like, I love meat and I wish that I was a vegetarian, but I, I literally love a good steak and I love a good cheeseburger and I know that, um, how an animal has passed away or how it's killed it. It has that memory in it. And so when you're eating that meat and and unfortunately here in the States, I don't know what it's like in the UK, but animals are treated like crap here and it makes me so sad and when that animal is slaughtered, the memory of how it's slaughtered is still in that meat and then we are consuming it.
Speaker 1:There's actually been science that's been done to prove that that makes it a very low vibrational food. I try to limit my red meat intake and even my chicken and, um, I don't know I, when I was pregnant, actually believe it or not again like going back to my hormones out of whack and all that fun stuff. I actually didn't eat me. I didn't like it. I couldn't stand the smell of it, I didn't like the taste of it. And coffee was another one. I, my body, did not want it and your body will always tell you what it wants, what's good for it and what's best for it, and so that just goes to show, you know, maybe we're not supposed to be eating as much meat as we're, as we're here fed here in the States I mean, it's big, especially in Texas like, oh my gosh, every restaurant serves brisket and steak and barbecue stuff, and it's everywhere, but it's not good so and.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing. And it's like, if we can think that about energy of animals, like and we're energy, like energy is all around us. You know, I'm not going to be able to sit here and explain quantum physics to you, but like we don't see wi-fi working, but it's working and it's operating and, um, like energy is all around us and kundalini is an energy and it's like, yeah, priming her, like I always say, kundalini's like having this badass big sister. Like I again, one of my sessions and obviously it was just my experience. No one can tell me I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 2:I've been on the mat and I was like before I was able to scream myself and really something I had to gear myself up for it because I was worried that people were going to judge me and what were they going to say and what would they think about me. By the way, no one cares, like everybody's in their own journey and no one really knows who's doing what. But anyway, I remember like I'm going to scream today, like I was kind of gearing myself up for it, I'm going to scream today, and I hear this voice of go on then and I'm like, all right, I'm going to. But it wasn't anybody, it's obviously me talking to the energy.
Speaker 2:Whatever my subconscious, I'm going to scream today. Go on then. And I was like I will, whatever my subconscious, I'm going to scream today, go on then. And I was like I will, you know. And then it, honestly, this is. And then I I ended up screaming um, I can swear right oh yeah, we do it all the time yeah, I was like, um, fuck you like at the top of my lungs.
Speaker 2:And I remember like coming around at the end of the session and I was sitting against the wall and I was a bit like, oh, that felt good. I, that has been in there for years, you know. And the lady at the end, my trainer. She said, um, was that to me? That you said that? And I was like, no, it was to that situation and that situation and that where I couldn't use my voice and I couldn't say what I wanted to say, and it came out.
Speaker 2:And then I again, after the session, I was like I'm gonna protect my energy here, I'm not gonna go and be. I was invited to like leaving drink somewhere and I wouldn't have touched the alcohol. But I was like I actually don't want to be in other people's energy fields because I don't know what their energy is like. I'm, my energy field feels like it's been opened and I need to close it down. Keep myself to myself, be reflective, see how I feel now, you know, and and just look after myself in every, every way possible. And that's why I like it, because it was like if I'm investing in myself and processing, then it has that ripple effect into my life, whether I then think I want to take better care of myself, like I don't, just want to be free and available for everybody Like I'm and as a former people pleaser, that was huge.
Speaker 1:It's like when you, like you just said, when you invest in yourself, whether you go into the gym or whatever you're doing, you, it's like a healthy habit becomes more healthy habits. And then now, all of a sudden, you're very aware of, like, what you're eating, what the people around you and stuff like that too. So, um, when these girls are doing your like going to your classes and everything, like what do you tell them? Like what's what? What do you tell them to protect it? Because now you're sending these women out into the world and you're like, hey, thanks, um, that was a great session. Okay, but what are you telling them to do, to to keep that vibration going and so that they they're not out in the world now absorbing everybody's bullshit? Like does that make sense? Like is it grounding? Like what? What are we doing after?
Speaker 2:well. So I always send out, and most of the facilitators that I've trained with, like, let me just say I trained with Rebecca Jacks and I have been trained to a really fucking high standard and I have noticed that and I am so grateful that I've been through the like rigorous training process that we does, because she makes you embody the work first, um, but anyway, we send out an integration library which gives you like tips of what to eat, how to protect your energy. You know thinking about having more of a mindful routine. You know your, your journaling practices maybe every facilitator will be different, but like your meditations and like nurturing yourself. So again, like saying to people don't go out drinking, because you can really, like you can, have awakened something, and alcohol is is fake energy, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's it's fake, it's chemical yeah artificial, yeah, so it's like you're not, um, you don't want to be consuming stuff like that. Obviously, people will do what they want to do, but it's it's in stressing the importance of anything that makes them feel, yeah, grounded and whole. So if it's crystals, um, then so be it. Being in nature, like when I was in Bali, it would be like, right, you know, go, go and get in the sea, get in the ocean or have a cold bath, like oh, you know the ice bath thing in the UK. It's just like just be out in nature. You know, if you can just spend some time away from the, the frequencies of lots of other people, it's going to be best, um, yeah yeah, I, that's literally how I ground myself to like I need to be surrounded by trees and nature and everything.
Speaker 1:Like I, living next to the ocean was great because when I was in San Diego I mean I spent 15 years in San Diego and so I love being next to the ocean and sometimes you know we'll go out there and I'll just like we'll go walk around the beach barefoot and stuff like that. But for whatever reason, my soul just really enjoys mountains and trees and grass and like everything green, and so for me, like that really does help calm me down, I'll just go walk around my front yard just for like maybe 30 minutes, just to try to ground myself a little bit. So you, it's almost like you have to know what you personally like in order to kind of put up that protection. So you got to know what works for you. For some people it might be meditation, for some it might be walking around outside barefoot or you know, like, like, yeah, crystals. You kind of have to know what works for you before you even get into this Maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because, and and also like my thing is is like, stay open-minded and be curious, like go to the session and just like, don't, don't make so many plans that you're so busy that you can't pay attention to yourself because you might have plans with somebody. And then you go and and you meet them and you start to feel uncomfortable or you're in discomfort of some way and it's like that's your body telling you that maybe you're on different vibrations now, maybe different frequencies and maybe you don't need to spend as much time with this person. But if you're so busy that you can't identify that within yourself, so it's like all the practices that make you feel grounded and wholesome with the curiosity of what would, what like? Am I noticing anything different? Is there anything that needs to?
Speaker 1:change aware. Oh my god, when you said that, I literally like was mind blown because I just had a realization, like being aware of the other person's vibrational energy and everything. There's been so many times where either I've been set up on a date or I'm with like a friend or whatever, and our vibrations are so off and I'm like I can't. I wish I was making this up. But like I'll drink alcohol, like I'll, I'll order a drink, a glass of wine, and next thing, you know, like I'm loosened up, but it lowered my vibration to meet theirs and there's. I mean, how many times have we gone on a date and we're like I hate this guy, like or I hate this girl, and you're just like I'll have a drink, please. And the next thing, you know, like you're, you're, you're getting along with this person, cause you know you have the alcohol inside of you, so you're a little bit looser. But now that I think about it, we just lowered our vibration to meet the other person's vibration. I don't know that's happened to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's happening to you or I'm just like, I feel like I hate that person, but after a drink then I'm like, okay, I can tolerate you yeah, I've definitely been in situations like that and like more times than I'd like to admit as well, and I, as you were talking, what was coming to mind or a recollection for me was it wasn't the people, it was something I was processing.
Speaker 2:But I'd organized this girl's lunch and, um, it got to like I think it was like 20 minutes before I was supposed to be there, which was a half an hour journey away, and I cancelled on them because I was like I can't do this, I can't be. I like I was processing something really big and and then I was like we're going to a restaurant with lots of other people. I don't want to pick up their energy. So I was like I'm sorry, I'm not coming and that was so uncomfortable. But I was like do you know what? I got to that point? I've gone from being the people pleaser to being the person that's like I'm going to protect myself and put myself first. And if those people like this is a bitter pill to swallow, hopefully they love me enough to know that I don't normally do that. So, like don't judge me on it, and if they do, they're not my people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are my people Anytime, like even if I have like a podcast guest on or if I'm going to meet a girlfriend for lunch or whatever, and they have to cancel for whatever reason. I one do not take it personally, because we've all been there, we've all been there. We don't have the energy or we're not at that vibrational level that's going to match the other persons, and sometimes we just need a break or a day. And I have never given my friends crap for like saying I can't do it today and and that's, and that's an explain, like enough explanation for me to be like you got it girl, like no big deal, like we'll reschedule you, just let me know. And I'm very like, I guess, like I'm like understanding. Does that be like I'm so understanding? Because sometimes, like we do have to protect our energy and if we wake up in the morning and we're like fuck this, like I don't have it in me to do anything, it happens, it literally happens. And that's I feel like knowing not to push yourself is really key, because how many times have we gotten out of bed and pushed ourselves and then we've screwed up our entire day? You know cause we pushed ourselves to do things that we don't want.
Speaker 1:I work in real estate now and I'm dead sometimes, and sometimes my clients are terrible freaking people. I hate to say it, but you know what. I smile, I show up, but then at the end of the day, I'm so drained to the point where I can't get off the couch because some of those people out there are, just like you know, working in real estate. You're working with a lot of money and it brings out the worst in other people when you're working with that kind of money, and there's been days where I got out, dealt with. These clients came back home and I didn't have any energy for my daughter or myself and that sucks.
Speaker 2:So knowing how to protect yourself yeah, and I was just thinking then, when you said about protecting your energy, like something I do as well is during the session or at the end of the session. I will, you know, like Palo Santo or Sage, to like clear the energy, clear the room, but also, when I get home, I wash my hair, I wash, make sure my clothes go in the wash, but it's like washing the energy off and like having the running water to be like. Whatever energies I've picked up from other people is not mine, so even if I've just washed my hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you've just washed your hair that morning, it's a commitment, girls. But it's like energy stays in the hair and so it's like, if you can wash, like even brand new, fresh outfit, wore it for two hours straight in the wash. Because it's like energy stays in the hair. And so it's like, if you can wash, like even brand new, fresh outfit, wore it for two hours straight in the wash because it's like it needs to go and I like when I stay with my mom, I'm like mom, that needs washing. I've done a session. She's like oh yeah, she takes it very seriously.
Speaker 1:It sticks to you. It's like I'm one of my girlfriends, because I I do that too. Like I, I imagine that everything when I'm in the shower, like everything's washing off of me, because people's energy will stick to you. Like you know, like cooking flour, you know, you just put some flour in the air and the next thing you know, it's all over your skin. That is like people's energy and I I'm such an empath and I have a problem with like taking people's problems and like taking it home with me.
Speaker 1:And so what I've learned from one of my girlfriends she's like you need to do a cord cutting because a text message can ruin like I feel heavy and it can like ruin my day a text message or an ex-boyfriend coming back into my life, which has happened, a very toxic ex-boyfriend and I called one of my girlfriends and I was like I feel gross just by reading this text message, like I feel heavy and I feel sad. And she's like you need to imagine cord cutting. Like you are taking like a knife and she's like take your hand and she's like you're going to look crazy. But she's like do all these chopping motions and it's like you're chopping all these cords off. And I did that and she's like you're going to look really dumb, but you have to imagine yourself cutting those cords from other people and it does work. It really works and yeah it does.
Speaker 2:And it's like you know, as women, when we've had sex with people, people, like people's cords, are attached to our womb, which is why people do like womb clearing and cord cutting exercises in in those sessions as well, because it's like and that's when we've been intimate, but your people's cords and energetic fields can attach to you when you go to the supermarket, when you go to the shop, like it can happen at any point. Yeah, so it's like that is such a powerful thing to do, like absolutely and and like it is. It's an energy thing and it's a mindset and it's like saying in the prayer of like I energetically release you, I cut these cords. This energy is not mine, it can go back to where it came from. It goes back to the center. It's no longer welcome, whatever it is, where you're just like. Imagine you're like pulling it all off of yourself.
Speaker 1:I imagine myself like in a bubble. So when I do get the opportunity to like meditate before I go out into the world, um, I imagine like I'm in this like purple bubble and like nothing can stick to me. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it works more than it doesn't. If that makes sense, I have to be conscious and aware of it throughout the day. Yes, I still put this like protection on me in the morning, but when something that pisses me off later on in the day or something upsets me, I have to think, okay, I'm in a bubble, this hasn't like, this is not going to affect me, and then it usually doesn't. You have to stay aware of you know your bubble and your surroundings, and usually that'll that'll help. Not like, not like get you know other people's energy attaching itself to you. So, um, I have one more question what is kundalini a person? Is he? Was he like a spiritual leader, like? What is kundalini like? Who is kundalini?
Speaker 2:I have no idea it's no, it's not, it's an energy, okay, yeah, it's, it's not a person, um, not that I know of anyway. Um I can't remember the the guy who found it.
Speaker 1:Um and so I'll be doing it.
Speaker 2:A disservice, but it it's not. It's not a person, to my knowledge, it's an energy. It's a, yeah, it's known as life force, energy um which resides within every human being if it's awakened. If it's not um, yeah, but no, it's known as life force, energy um which resides within every human being if it's awakened.
Speaker 1:If it's not, um, yeah, but no, it's not a person we were just so for my listeners, before we even hit record. We were talking about, like how I ask a lot of stupid questions, like that was my stupid question of the interview is like, who is this guy like? Can we meet him like?
Speaker 2:so it's just, it's just a vibration, it's an energy and we can tap into it at any time we want to right yeah, and like when, the more you've been, like you can activate your own energy, which I suppose is a facilitator, I can do, but it's um, when you can self-activate.
Speaker 2:So when you've been to enough classes and you know, you know how the energy moves and whatnot, you can put the playlists on and activate your own energy at home. But I always say, like, I don't really do that. I know that I can, but I like, even if I'm in a group class with one of my we call them Kundalini sisters it's like, it's like having a chaperone, you know, know, you want someone to guide you. I don't want to go through that process. I can, if I need to, but if I can, you know, jump into somebody's session or go to somebody's session and then even have my experience of sharing what came up for me, them seeing, like, obviously I can press on my own body to a certain extent, but if the energy is getting stuck somewhere, it's much better for them to be able to to shift it.
Speaker 1:Um, and that means, like I don't know about, but, like I would love to be next to a person that's already high vibe, because those energies and those vibrations can easily be shared. I'm, if I walk into a room and I see a friend who's high vibration and she's always in a good mood, I automatically match that and I would love, if I'm going through something really traumatic or I'm processing something, I don't want to do it by myself. I would rather have somebody there that's next to me that can share a little bit of their, their good vibes, because God knows we need it.
Speaker 2:So like, of course course, be around people like that, like you yeah, and I think sometimes as well, like it's it's funny in a session because, yes, people are crying, they might be screaming. You know that everybody processes what they need to process. But you can also have like the high vibe, the bliss states, like when somebody gets the giggles and then it ripples through the whole class like it always makes me laugh. Yeah, I think I put a video up and then I start laughing in it, but it's because someone's laugh and it's contagious. So it's like it can be blissful and it can. It can be deep, it can be, you know, not dark, but it can be deep, but it can also be high. So it's like, you know, I've gone to sessions where I've been like quite still and then someone's got the giggles and then I've had a really blissful experience and it's been like love and light and, you know, future planning and all of this and not just digging up all the trauma. Like it can go both ways.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. So sometimes everybody in the room can just be on the same high vibration and it just feels good. So, like some classes aren't dark and deep, it's sometimes like happy and giggly kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah and everybody gets their own experience like, um, it depends you know how tired you are, what you've eaten, what, what you've been going through recently or in the past. So when I was going through my breakup last year, I went on retreat um, like what was it? A week after, or maybe 10 days, it wasn't very long and I was like I'm the one with the heavy grief, like the heavy grief, and I was sobbing. And then when I'd got through because there were six sessions, when I got through some of those, the grief, then the anger came. So you've got other people processing what they're processing.
Speaker 2:And then I was rage at like the, the anger, the betrayal, the hurt, and I was like I'm the one almost like roaring and like thumping the floor and someone else's grieving over you know, a past parent or whatever, and then someone else's grieving something different. And then someone else was like that was incredible. I was, I like met my future husband or I felt his energy of you know his presence, and so she was having a great old time. And that's why I laugh sometimes, because you can have someone crying, laughing, screaming, you know, in different yoga poses, because then they might think I need to sit up. I need to stand up. I need sometimes people will. I don't know like.
Speaker 1:The facilitated job is obviously to keep everybody safe, but you can sometimes look around and think what is going on here and then everybody, what I love is from the exorcism because, like you have to just let the body move how it wants to move, right, because it's like processing that energy. So I'm sure you have like different people doing different things, like you said, where some people have to stand, some people have to sit, some people have to lay, but you are just there to make sure that they don't like hurt themselves. You know, like walk down the staircase or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I love, like, I love it and it's like I think it's funny when not funny. But people have the involuntary movements and this one lady said to me I could not, this was actually from the weekend. I could not stop. What was it? The right side, um, shaking. And I said, well, the right side represents the masculinity or the masculine energy. Do you have anything to do with boundaries or control or whatever? And then she was like oh yes. So I was like, well, maybe that was something processing for you, that way, that your body's releasing it that way. And so, yeah, you've got, you know, one arm twitching. You've got someone else. They were in like child's pose and someone else was crying, this one's saying words that she's never been able to say. And then I was like I got you all, I got every one of you Like I love that I am.
Speaker 2:I'm like I've got you.
Speaker 1:Do you do online sessions for people or is it like you said, it's just better if you're physically there so that you can monitor them and make sure that, like they're safe, kind of thing? Is this something that like? I guess, like you I now I guess I just answered my own question you wouldn't do an online session right With your client in another room or another country because you can't do, you can't help them, like they get hurt.
Speaker 2:You obviously can't press on the body physically, but you can like energetically. So they say this is when it goes into the quantum field and it's like there is no time, space or energy in the quantum field. So it's like when you're thinking about someone and then they text you or you're, you, you're like someone's looking at me, like we can feel things. So it's like you don't have to be in the same place so you can work through online sessions. Me myself, I, I like in person, but I like in person everything, like I'm the same way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, if I can, like, if I have the choice to have a phone call with my friend or go out for a coffee, I'm always gonna go, yeah, yeah like, because I like physical energy myself.
Speaker 2:But I have done some online sessions. They should be coming, but I'm just not getting myself around today. So I did one, I think last Wednesday, for I have a membership and I did it for the ladies in the membership and, um, yeah, so that was, that was something, but they're less often like that for me at the minute dang okay, so you, maybe it's coming down the pipeline later on, so, but, um, so you obviously are not in the state, so sorry to the ladies that are listening here in the states.
Speaker 1:Um, you're just gonna have to follow her on instagram and all that stuff, but for for the girls that are around you, they're in London. You're in London, right, like in the city of, or are you outside?
Speaker 2:Just north of London, like I'm. Yeah, so, if you're listening from the UK, I'm in Bedfordshire or operate from the West Midlands because my mum has moved out of where we live, so when I well, I'm staying at hers at the minute until I go back to my house, so I'm hosting classes in both places. But, to be honest, if people are interested and this is the first time they've heard a bit do pop me a dm, because even if you can't come to one of my sessions, like I do have a network of people where, if you tell me where you are, I could probably hook you up with a session with a trusted practitioner to go to, or facilitator, um, where I wouldn't mind putting my name to it, saying go to that, that class, that session, um, I've got like my kundalini sisters that I trained with and I've yeah, the network is expanding. So if it's not me, then I will. I will always point you in the direction of someone that can host you.
Speaker 1:You guys have to DM her. You're like you're like the nicest person ever and so I really do hope, like anybody saying that was like me, that didn't know anything about it, or they're looking for something like you, or they're close to you like go like just DM her, ask her all the questions and then go have her work on you. And then go have her work on you. I think. Come to the class and uh, you host a lot of those classes. I, every single time I see you like post a new thing. I'm like I want to go. I think I always dm you and I'm like I wish I lived closer because I want to go to your thing. Like you put on retreats or are they like retreats or are they events? Because you did one for valentine's day and that's the one. Yeah, I did that was beautiful.
Speaker 2:That was, um. This is really funny. Actually I was um co-hosting a retreat or like guests, or what was I co-facilitating? I was asked to co-facilitate on a day retreat, um, in january, and I woke up the next day to a message, because I just shared a snippet of my story and someone I'd known for like 20 odd years messaged me and said do you host these? Because that was like up the north of the country, do you host this where we live, like down south? And I just thought, yeah, I do, because I can, and I've just been afraid of my own self. So I said to her give me a couple of days and I'll tell you the the details. And then, yeah, hosted a Galentine's Day event. It was so beautiful, like I poured my heart and soul into it and it was just met and received so well. So, yeah, we've got another, um, it's like the April day retreat, uh, happening the 26th of April.
Speaker 2:I've got a class you know in where I come from, bedfordshire, on the 2nd of April. We're going to be popping up like just all over because, like what I shared with the ladies that had came to the class on Saturday, that's up in an area called the West Midlands and I was like I'm going to host it, sort of like once a month ish, which I think if you're just getting into this work, that's, that's plenty. Like I know, even from a business point I don't have the energy to host, you know, more frequently than once. Well, like once a month, whilst I'm holding these big groups. So it's like I'm not going to dilute my energy or your experience just to put a class on. I'd rather we have a full class, everybody's rested and relaxed and we go into it with with, yeah, the good energy. So they're popping up. It is just best to follow me, because I can't even keep up with my schedule. There's all different things going on.
Speaker 1:I love your Instagram. Everybody has to go follow her. I literally love your Instagram. Okay, speaking of that, like everything's going to go in the show notes, but how can we find you? Like I said, I love your Instagram, so what's your Instagram handle?
Speaker 2:It's at Lisa Kelly Life Coaching. So I'm yeah, I've come from the life coaching background. I'm having a bit of a revamp as the year's going on, but I can't make a decision on it. So that's what it is for now and it will be for the next couple of months at least. And on it, so that's what it is for now and it will be for the next couple of months at least. Um, and then, yeah, there's like you can join my email community, whether I send, like a month, a weekly newsletter or just jump in my world. I want to meet new people.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I can't remember if it's like weekly, but I get your newsletters all the time and I'm like, yay, like, but I just I love your energy and I just like I said your energy and I just like I said like it would be dangerous for us to actually hang out, which one day I wanted to hang out, cause we're going to have so much fun and you're you're so great, you're seriously great, and everything is amazing and like, even if you're looking just to get in her space, she is a life coach.
Speaker 1:You offer other things too, and I can't remember what episode number that we did prior and that's like your story and everything. So if you guys look on the podcasting platform for Lisa Kelly her other, her original episode is on there and if you know, if you feel like you want to deep dive into her before reaching out to her, there is another episode on updated AF and you're, like I said, like your story is great. Everything about you is great. You, I don't know. I just I feel so honored that you're back on here and I and I get to call you a friend, so thank you.
Speaker 2:I'm truly honored to be here, and when you invited me it was a full body, yes, so okay, just think for american girl. I guess she's so all over the place, but sure no, I love, but find your tribe, like I obviously like you for a reason. Like you're, we're similar, so it's like find your tribe and when you find them, gravitate towards them. So then it's like, yeah, do podcast episodes together, let's. I don't know, I'll either come and visit you or you come visit me, we'll see.
Speaker 1:Texas. We can go to like some weird country bar and go lane dancing together.
Speaker 2:I don don't know I love country music.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, you would fit right in here in Texas and I have two guest rooms at my house. I will make you comfortable, girl. We'll talk offline, but I really like I I can see you in Texas, I can't. We're going to get you a cowgirl hat and some boots and then we're going to go line dancing.
Speaker 2:I'm down, I sign me up.
Speaker 1:So we'd have to go to Austin, because Austin is like where all the good, like nightlife, is. So, yeah, we'd have to go to Austin. And then there's a couple other spiritual girlies in Austin, too, that I would introduce you to.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1:You'll be like oh my God, she's being serious. I'm like, hi, I'm literally dead serious and you and I will talk because I need to go there or you need to come here and it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:So yeah, let's make it happen.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you, girl. Thank you for everything, you're amazing.
Speaker 2:So are you, thank you.
