Dylan Beckner - From Personal Loss to Pioneering Mental Health Therapies with Beckner Counseling
May 22, 2024
Alimond Studio
When life threw Dylan Beckner a curveball, she caught it with both hands and reshaped it into a beacon of hope for others. In our latest conversation, we join her on an intimate exploration of her journey from enduring personal loss to cultivating a thriving therapy practice, Beckner Counseling. Beckner, along with her team of diverse therapists including Amy, Erica, and Matthew, illuminates the paths they've woven through the complexities of mental health care, especially during the peak of the pandemic.
Struggling with triggers and eating disorders can feel like navigating a maze blindfolded. This episode peels back the layers of these challenges, revealing how controlled exposure to triggers, rather than avoidance, can forge resilience and effective coping strategies. We also hear Beckner's approach to supporting adolescents, emphasizing the indispensable role parents play in the healing process. Moreover, she sheds light on the systemic bottlenecks that therapists and clients face, with a particular focus on the hurdles of insurance and the vital need for accessible mental health services.
Beyond the therapy room, the art of balancing the scales of work and personal life takes center stage. Beckner shares tactics to combat anxiety and depression, from the simple power of a balanced diet to the mental liberation afforded by exercise. We underscore the transformative nature of meditation, the magic of social connections, and the soothing practice of a body scan. For those drawn to the field of mental health or seeking to navigate business growth, Beckner's candid life lessons and the mantra "you're never too broken to be healed" remind us of the importance of networking, self-compassion, and the universality of therapy's benefits.
When life threw Dylan Beckner a curveball, she caught it with both hands and reshaped it into a beacon of hope for others. In our latest conversation, we join her on an intimate exploration of her journey from enduring personal loss to cultivating a thriving therapy practice, Beckner Counseling. Beckner, along with her team of diverse therapists including Amy, Erica, and Matthew, illuminates the paths they've woven through the complexities of mental health care, especially during the peak of the pandemic.
Struggling with triggers and eating disorders can feel like navigating a maze blindfolded. This episode peels back the layers of these challenges, revealing how controlled exposure to triggers, rather than avoidance, can forge resilience and effective coping strategies. We also hear Beckner's approach to supporting adolescents, emphasizing the indispensable role parents play in the healing process. Moreover, she sheds light on the systemic bottlenecks that therapists and clients face, with a particular focus on the hurdles of insurance and the vital need for accessible mental health services.
Beyond the therapy room, the art of balancing the scales of work and personal life takes center stage. Beckner shares tactics to combat anxiety and depression, from the simple power of a balanced diet to the mental liberation afforded by exercise. We underscore the transformative nature of meditation, the magic of social connections, and the soothing practice of a body scan. For those drawn to the field of mental health or seeking to navigate business growth, Beckner's candid life lessons and the mantra "you're never too broken to be healed" remind us of the importance of networking, self-compassion, and the universality of therapy's benefits.
Speaker 1:
So my name is Dylan Beckner and I own Beckner Counseling, so we are a group therapy practice and we provide mental health therapy for people experiencing things like anxiety, depression, eating disorders, trauma, stress, relationship issues, kind of anything and everything mental health.
Speaker 2:
Mental health-wise. Yeah, how did you get into this profession?
Speaker 1:
It's a really good question. I think for a lot of people, especially in healthcare, there's something that happened that kind of brought you to it, and so for me, my dad died when I was 17. Sorry, thank you. He struggled with alcohol and substance use, so when he did pass, obviously I was pretty young and the social worker at my high school was a huge support system for me, and so just being able to talk to her was really great and to have an outlet outside of just like my family and my friends, and so when I went on to college, I really decided like I wanted to be that same kind of person for other people. So my niche moved around a little bit with what kind of population I wanted to work with, but that was how I got started.
Speaker 2:
Oh, that's amazing. It's an inspirational story to come from such a tragedy and turn it into something positive. Where did you go to school?
Speaker 1:
So I'm originally from Massachusetts, so I went to Bridgewater State University and then different from the one that's in Maryland, and then Simmons College for grad school.
Speaker 2:
Oh, nice, yeah, and how tell me about your business now?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so we started in 2020, right in the middle of COVID, so there's a huge need for therapists, exactly. So for me it worked out pretty well because there really weren't that many like therapists that had availability, so I was able to take on clients who were on like wait lists for a lot of other places and just be able to be open. So started in 2020 and then from there just kind of kept growing.
Speaker 2:
Were you by yourself when you started. You started solo practice, yep.
Speaker 1:
Yep Started solo practice and then, once I found out that I was pregnant with my daughter, I decided that I might want to expand a little bit so that I had someone to kind of take over while I was out. And that was when I brought on my first contractor, and her name is Amy, and she's fabulous.
Speaker 2:
Shout out to Amy. Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker 1:
Amy, who is now on maternity leave, but then after her I brought Erica on um and then found out that I was pregnant with my son, and then, shortly after that, I added Matthew, so we also have a male therapist um, which is fantastic too.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, great, so you can have kind of both people you know, different people for different needs, right?
Speaker 1:
Exactly yeah, and having a different perspective is so helpful, and sometimes men especially want to see a male therapist instead of a female.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And of course females do too. Sometimes they're open to it, so it's just really nice to be able to offer that, because the male therapists are not as common to find.
Speaker 2:
Yes, for sure. Yeah, Tell me a little bit about what it was like starting that practice on your own in 2020. Like, what were the challenges there?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I really didn't know what I was doing. It was hard because you know, in school for social work they don't teach you how to open a business. I don't think really there are many schools, when you're going to be a therapist, that teach you what it's like to open up your own practice. So I had to kind of figure it out. Luckily, my sister knew how to create a business, an open one. It was partially like what she did for work, which was really great, and then so she helped me do that, create like a business EIN number and those sorts of things. And then from there, like my mom helped me design my logo, so that was really helpful, and then just finding office space and all of those things. So you got the whole family involved.
Speaker 1:
I really did, yeah, yeah, it was great. I had a lot of help, yeah.
Speaker 2:
It's surprising that they don't teach a little bit of those business classes with the psychology. Yeah, because I feel like the two go hand in hand.
Speaker 1:
right, they definitely do, and there are a lot of people out there who, I think, wish that that was something that was taught in a lot of our graduate classes. I haven't heard of any programs that get into that. I haven't heard of any programs that get into that. So you do sort of have to like read some books on it or talk to people who have been through it before and figure it out?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, because you've got to get your systems in place for your patient portal and all of those things, right, Right?
Speaker 1:
yeah, and there's so many like different portals that you can use and which one is best and which one is most cost effective, and yeah, there's just a lot of different things to consider and which one is most cost effective.
Speaker 2:
And yeah, there's just a lot of different things to consider. Were you able to pull from the community to kind of find people that have been through what you have been through for support?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there were some people that I was able to talk to and kind of figure out like, okay, what was it that worked for them? Do I want to kind of follow that same thing? Do I want to see if there are other options out there? But it was definitely like a really great starting point to figure out, like where I wanted to go and what, what different programs and things were out there, because, like I came from working in a hospital, so all of that stuff was already created and in place for me. So just being able to look at what other things were out there was really helpful. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And figuring all that out on your own is huge.
Speaker 1:
Right yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:
It took a lot of time. What do you do these days for marketing and advertising to get people in the door?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so the I'm part of the Loudoun County Chamber of Commerce and that's like one of the biggest ways I think that I'm able to like market and really network and meet people. Um, like, I just went to one of the young professionals events, which was pretty cool yesterday. But also we use a website called Psychology Today, which is a really great way to search for therapists in your area or to find a therapist who works with people experiencing or works with people who treat what it is that you might be experiencing. So that's a really great way that we market too. But I would say those are probably the two biggest ways.
Speaker 2:
Two biggest ones, yeah yeah, do you find more people are coming in these days versus the Zoom days, or you feel like a lot of people are still? That's working for them because it's more convenient?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely. I've so many people want in-person sessions now, which I love. I virtual is great and it's super convenient and the flexibility is awesome, but in-person just feels nice, especially after COVID, to be able to like have some of that again. Um, but I think, yeah, like 90% of the inquiries we get are looking for in person.
Speaker 2:
Do you feel like you can get a better read on people when it's face-to-face?
Speaker 1:
For sure. Yeah, being able to like read someone's body language, and I think sessions generally just move a little bit more fluid, even when you're over a computer Unless it's like the right person who's super comfortable in front of the camera and doesn't have any issues Sessions just move so much faster online and, you know, I think sometimes we get to the end of it and it's like okay, well, I think that's all we have for today when in person? Yeah, in person we could go for much longer than 45 minutes or an hour.
Speaker 2:
Right, yeah, yeah. What do you find most rewarding about what you do?
Speaker 1:
So, like I work a lot with people with eating disorders and so any any improvement there is huge because, like it's, it really is a deadly mental illness. So anyone who is able to work towards recovery and see improvement in their body image and repair their relationship with food is so important and it's such a beautiful thing to watch. And outside of that too, though, really like any mental health symptom, I work a lot with people experiencing like sexual abuse or have some sort of trauma, and, as difficult as it is to hear, it's so rewarding to watch them go through the process and feel so much better afterwards. Same with anxiety, depression like each thing is so beautiful to watch someone walk in the door one way and then be able to leave, like a few months later or however long it is, and just feeling better and like functioning so much better in their life too.
Speaker 2:
And it's probably different for each person, right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, progress can look so different for so many different people, right, it really just depends on, like, what they came in with, and it can be such small, like little things that are a lot of progress though, like just being able to, you know, go to school without anxiety or take meetings and feel a lot more confident talking to coworkers. And then you know, of course, some of the like larger things too, of being able to leave a job and find something new or repair their relationship with their family, or anything like that.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, do you feel like you can kind of overhelp them with their triggers, the things that trigger them from being able to do those things?
Speaker 1:
For sure. Yeah, like it's. I always talk to people about how triggers aren't something that you want to completely and totally avoid, right? Like some things are unavoidable, so we really need to find a way to like expose ourselves to them in a positive way and be able to work through it so that, when you keep encountering those things, you feel more confident, being able to handle it and like give them the coping skills and things for when stuff does feel really hard.
Speaker 2:
So recognizing what the trigger is and then kind of working through it, yeah Cause triggers kind of don't stop sometimes right, exactly yeah, and depending on like what the trigger is.
Speaker 1:
Again, like for my clients with eating disorders, food like unavoidable. It's a social thing, it's something that we need to have. So finding a way to be able to handle that and work through it is really important.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, do you. When you talk about eating disorders, I feel like there's a often a misconception that it goes just in one way you know often people that are restricting eating for, for whatever the reason may be, Do you feel like it goes in the opposite way too, that people kind of use it for comfort, and in different ways?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it definitely can be. Like food can be seen as sort of like an emotional thing. Right, we can turn to it to help our emotions in a way. Help Helping quotationsations yeah, exactly, but then, yeah, so with that, whether it's like disordered eating or like a diagnosable eating disorder, you still want to be able to work through that, and there are definitely people I work with who deal with things like binge eating disorder. But even then, with binge eating, like there can still be an aspect of restriction with it.
Speaker 2:
So that's something that we talk a lot about too, and do you mostly treat adults or is this? Do you do pediatrics as well?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I love working with adolescents. They're like my favorite Cause they're multiple, they are yeah.
Speaker 1:
And they're I don't know, they're just fun, Like I remember being that age and I know how hard it could be to like that high school time frame and you're just going through so much at that time. But also like helping the parents understand what it is that they might be going through and trying to help guide parents to make recovery as successful as possible for their kids Eating disorder or not. It might be like with anxiety too. Um, so I love working with adolescents, but I definitely see kids and adults too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
A little bit. I'm sure it's on a case by case basis, but do you offer, when you're talking about the parents working on themselves too? Is that kind of part of the all encompassing mental health to help the teenagers and the young kids is to have their parents be doing some work as well?
Speaker 1:
for sure, yeah, so we'll do kind of like um, kind of like parent coaching in a way, and trying to help parents so that when they're home they they have some tips and tricks and things that they can do to help their child with whatever it is. Um, but also, too, we'll make recommendations for parents to see their own therapist if it feels like they have something going on that could be impacting the child, but also just impacting them, and we want everyone to be as well as possible.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, because it's a whole trickle-down effect, right For sure, yeah, and I think too, when you have one person in a family who's in therapy and they're making progress, sometimes like other people can benefit from making that progress too. So if we can get more people involved with it, even if it's not incredibly frequently, there's still a lot of benefit to that.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, for sure. What challenges are you seeing in the therapy world right now? That's a good question. Maybe, business-wise, or even regulations when it comes to treatments. Yeah, Anything like that going on.
Speaker 1:
I think the biggest issue and probably a lot of other people in, like the healthcare industry would agree with this is just insurance.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, like I don't accept insurance because it's a hassle and the reimbursement is low and it's so unfortunate, because I would love to and when I first started I did take insurance and it was great, but then I had a wait list of like 70 people and yeah, and like that's great for business, but it's also overwhelming as a provider to be like, oh my gosh, there's this many people and I can't help everybody. I just don't have the time. So insurance is for sure a huge barrier.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate. I know our insurance doesn't cover therapy either. It's an unfortunate gap, I feel like in the insurance industry, because people often don't have the funds to pay out of pocket and need the help.
Speaker 1:
Right, absolutely so. If someone comes to me and they say like I really need to use my insurance benefits, I'll always send over people that I know do take insurance, because it's so frustrating as just someone looking for a therapist to reach out and no one has availability or someone doesn't take insurance and you're overwhelmed and you're frustrated and you need help. So I always try to give a list of someone so that they can continue searching, but it's such a struggle.
Speaker 2:
Especially for someone that's going through a mental health crisis, may not have that capacity to sit and look at a list and call and make those appointments right.
Speaker 1:
Exactly, it's really daunting. It takes a lot of courage to to just be able to take the time and call someone and reach out and say that I need help. So being able to find like the right provider is really important.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so do you find? I mean, I'm sure, by the time people come to you, that they're already willing to do the work, but do you feel like people have a hard time admitting? Still, as much as talk, as much talk as there's been about mental health and the importance of it, do you still feel like it's hard to get people to admit they need help?
Speaker 1:
yeah, it can definitely be that way. Like, um, I always think about like the different stages of change, uh, which is something that, like, we learn in school and I'll bring up with clients sometimes and so there's like a pre-contemplation stage where someone might be thinking like, okay, maybe I need to change this. And then there's contemplation, where they're like a little more likely to to ask for help and and put the work in to do it. So, yeah, someone might come in the door and recognize they need to change something but are still a little bit wary of it, and that's okay. I'm there to try to help with motivating and be able to just talk through it so that when they are fully and completely ready, then they already have the support in place to be able to do it.
Speaker 2:
To be able to go to the next step. Yeah, yeah, how are you managing all of this with two young kids? You said you've got two young kids.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 2:
How old are the kids?
Speaker 1:
now my son is seven months old and then my daughter is two. Okay, so, yeah, they're little Little babies they are. It's really fun. But my husband is great. He's like the best support system ever, so we're able to really divide and conquer. When it comes to the kids, we have someone who watches them three days a week too, so that I'm able to have like three full dedicated days to work, and then the other two days I split between spending time with them and then doing more work things. But I'm just very organized.
Speaker 2:
That's the key.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, very organized, for sure, like type A, very planned out with my time and um work a little bit later if I have to at night, just to like make sure that emails are done and things like that. But I also really try hard to have that good work-life balance.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it's always something you probably you're working on right. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:
And something that I talk to clients about all the time too, so I feel like I need to like live that as well. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, what would you say? The top five? Like mental health, like someone that's struggling with anxiety or depression, that maybe doesn't have the means to seek out therapy. You know, you see some of those TikToks that they're like I'm feeling off today, I don't know what's wrong, and they're like did you go outside? Have you seen these? Did you go outside? You take a drink of water? Like right, what would you say are like your top five? Like just advice for getting through the day?
Speaker 1:
yeah, some really good ones. I mean, I'm a foodie, I I love food. Obviously, working with the population that I work with food is really important. So making sure that you're eating a balanced diet, whatever that is. And then good things into your body yeah, good things into your body. And good things really mean anything Like salad is great, but McDonald's is also okay. It's just finding that balance. You know you're not going to have McDonaldcdonald's every single day for the rest of your life, but if you have it once, yeah, you know, cool, that's great. Um, so that would be one thing.
Speaker 1:
Exercise is another one, and exercise could be as simple as just walking exercise is my mental sanity, yeah, for sure yeah, I love to lift and so I'll like go out in my garage in the morning and lift weights for like 45 minutes and then I feel ready for the day, so that would be another thing. Meditation is huge and there are so many apps out there now and YouTube videos and things that can be really helpful. Like Insight Timer is an app that you can get pretty much anywhere and they have really great meditations anywhere from like 30 seconds to an hour.
Speaker 2:
And that's just taking a few minutes to kind of center yourself.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, focus on your breathing, pay attention to what your body's telling you and then go from there. So that would be another thing, I think, like reaching out to family and friends and just having something social, even if it's a few text messages or a phone call, can be incredibly important. And then I guess the fifth one, kind of going off of like the meditation, would be just checking in with your body and I call it like a body scan, like going from head to toe paying attention to how your body feels and doing whatever your body might need, if it means movement or if it means something else, like just figuring out what it is that it needs.
Speaker 2:
I haven't done that in a long time, but I do remember, you know, closing your eyes, having that mental checklist of like okay, brain, shoulders, elbows, and just going down yeah.
Speaker 1:
Right, especially because when you do that you can realize, like, how much tension you might have. Like maybe you're keeping your shoulders up really high. Yes, as I am right now, Right right and just being able to like relax them really does wonders. It's like oh wow, I really was super tense.
Speaker 2:
Yes, I was really feeling that Right. What advice would you have for somebody you know, maybe graduating from college, that wants to get into this field? You know, maybe start their own practice, maybe go to work at another practice. What advice would you have for?
Speaker 1:
them? Good question. I think it would maybe be a little bit of a cliche but to say like never, say never. I said I was never going to own my own business.
Speaker 2:
I said I was never going to have contractors.
Speaker 1:
And when did you say this when you were working at the hospital. Yeah, so I mean, even like in college, my parents had a business, not therapy related, but and I always saw, like how much they were working. I was like, oof, I don't want that. Like, I want to be able to go to work, I'll do what I have to do, I'll do it well, and then I'll be able to go home. And I think what I've really come to discover is that you can do both right, like you can have your own business. You can have a good balance. Sure, there might be every now and then where you have to do something later at night, but for the most part, be able to handle it, uh, like during regular business hours, um, but yeah, I think, never say never. Like, if you're totally writing something off, maybe you might find out that, like you'll second guess that and it might be a good thing.
Speaker 2:
And were you able to take your work experience from the hospital and translate that into your business, kind of what was working and what wasn't working?
Speaker 1:
Absolutely. Yeah, it taught me so much Like hospitals can be really challenging to work at. I applaud nurses and doctors and therapists and anyone else who works in healthcare and is in a hospital, because it's tough, but I definitely used that and I also have experience working in like a group home and a community mental health clinic. So all of those jobs taught me different things that I've been able to really look at for my own practice and say like, yes, I really loved this aspect of it. Or this is something that I know been able to really look at for my own practice and say like, yes, I really love this aspect of it. Or this is something that I know I want to try and like change up if I didn't feel like it was working for me in that setting, and so it's been nice to be able to have that experience and pull from it.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and kind of figuring out the patients you want to work with too.
Speaker 1:
the kind of different patients. Yeah, like when I first started, I was like substance use yes, I definitely want to work with that because of everything my dad went through. And then I was like, no, I really love kids, so I want to work with kids and I kind of did it all in some capacity, but then we kind of have to right.
Speaker 2:
Figure out for sure who who's met. Whose energy can you match Right and and who can who you can best help?
Speaker 1:
Right, right.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And then my husband was in the military, so I was working a little bit with like the military population there, and then when we moved down here, there was, like, of course, a lot of adults that I was working with and adolescents, and that's when I got into the eating disorder field. So, yeah, I tried a lot and kind of figured out like population I really liked and was able to land on this, which was great.
Speaker 2:
And you seem so happy in what you're doing. It seems to be rewarding and fulfilling you For sure.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it's been such a great experience and very rewarding to see the clients that I work with making progress and just being able to be a provider in the community. So even if someone doesn't work with me and they have questions like I, still want to be that person that people can reach out to.
Speaker 2:
It's not a just about yeah, because some people don't. Some people are like make an appointment right exactly in the office.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, even like I said, if people are looking for someone with who takes insurance, like I, still want to be able to help in some capacity, even if it's just giving more referrals or something.
Speaker 2:
So, yeah, which is so nice, and I'm sure the other professionals appreciate that as well.
Speaker 1:
Right, yeah, it's nice to be able to do those networking things too and meet other people who are in the field so that we can all really like collaborate and work together. That's one thing that I think is really important, and I I hate the like, scarcity mindset of like what is the scarcity mindset? So that would be like, oh, there's not enough clients to go around, um, and like having competition with one another. I just don't see it that way, like I'd really rather just all work together and the clients will come. Unfortunately, you know, mental health is something that people are going to be dealing with in some capacity, probably forever. Unfortunately, we're stuck with our mind.
Speaker 1:
So let's all work together and just make it like as easy of a process as possible for people. We're all going to get clients, we're all going to be able to help help people.
Speaker 2:
We're all going to make a living. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. There's room for everybody. Let's help everybody, and everybody could use a little bit of help. Right, exactly, yeah, so you said you brought on three other therapists.
Speaker 1:
That's amazing, you've been growing.
Speaker 2:
Where do you see your business going in the next five years?
Speaker 1:
Oh, another good question your business going in the next five years? Oh, another good question. I have like an overall idea of having like a huge expansion and having almost like a wellness center where there's a bunch of other disciplines who are also like in a same building.
Speaker 1:
When you say disciplines other, like people in the holistic field, right, okay, yeah, like acupuncture and massage and a dietician and kind of anything and everything, but that would be that's. That's so much farther than five years away, I think, because it's either like in my eyes I see either that or I see like myself, just kind of staying here, maybe adding like one more person, we'll see Cause again, like never say never.
Speaker 1:
I don't want to put myself into a box and say that I'm definitely going to do something or that. Oh no, this is good. I'm not going to expand at all because I think it really just depends on what the community needs.
Speaker 2:
Yes, so you're going to sit tight for a bit and and um and enjoy the business that's coming in and helping the patients that are coming in.
Speaker 1:
Exactly, yeah, I just brought Matthew on in like December or January, so focusing on making sure that he's good and all my other contractors are in a good place and um, then kind of go from there.
Speaker 2:
Can I go from there? Yeah, are there any last parting words you'd like to leave us with? Any words of advice mantra that you live by? Yeah, maybe life advice, business advice.
Speaker 1:
Oh yeah, so much.
Speaker 2:
So much yeah.
Speaker 1:
Well, I think, for, like anyone who's listening, who maybe is curious about therapy, I would say give it a go. You know therapists even go to therapy, so there really shouldn't be any stigma around it. There's a quote that's on my website and it says that you're never too broken to be healed, and it speaks to a lot of people. I don't believe that anyone is really broken, but that resonates with a lot of different people who do land on my website, and so I think that that's an important thing too is to be able to challenge that thought that you might have about yourself. And then business advice. I think, just like network Networking has been really hard for me because it wasn't something that I really knew how to do, but it's been so important with the growth of my business and being able to meet other people, whether they're in the health and wellness industry or not, and just be able to put faces to names and see people out in public that I never would have known before, and that's been really cool.
Speaker 2:
And putting your face out there too, right.
Speaker 1:
Right, I met her a couple months ago and networking thing, you never know when something will come full circle right, exactly, yeah, and things just spread by word of mouth pretty quickly, and so it's nice to be able to like have your face out there and that way, even if someone who's a real estate agent knows someone who's looking for a therapist, and they're like, oh well, I met this person and you know this is their card.
Speaker 2:
There you go, yeah, yeah. Well, dylan, thank you for coming in today. I loved hearing your story. Thank you, it was a pleasure to have you.
