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Edwin Mayah - Creating Conversations for Change: From George Floyd to Harvard University's First Black President
As we navigate the complex terrain of discussing controversial topics, you'll hear about the challenges of being an "inequity disruptor." We recount a particularly heated episode about reparations, highlighting how respect and understanding are essential when debating passionate and often polarizing issues. You'll gain insight into the logistics of marketing and distributing the podcast, including our transition to the Alive Podcast Network, which has significantly broadened Edwin's reach and impacted his approach to social media strategy. His aim is to foster meaningful conversations while maintaining a calm and respectful environment, even when tackling the most contentious subjects.
This episode also shines a light on the financial struggles faced by single dads and college graduates, as well as the unique dynamics between athletes and their agents. Edwin underscores the importance of discussing finances and career choices openly, and you'll get a peek into his personal interests such as travel, wine festivals, and concerts, which play a crucial role in his life and work. Influenced by iconic shows like "The View" and figures like Oprah Winfrey, his research process is dedicated to creating engaging and insightful content. Don't miss out on hearing about his favorite episodes on self-care and mental health, a topic that holds tremendous importance for personal well-being and identity, especially for parents. Tune in to discover where you can find his content and join him on this rewarding journey.
My name is Edwin Joseph Maya. Most people just say EJ for Edwin Joseph. I am the host and creator of a podcast called the Conversation Outspoken Opinionated. It is currently housed on the Alive Podcast Network and this podcast is really to give voices to individuals who don't have the voice, so we have conversations on issues that are really focused on the marginalized population.
Speaker 2:Okay, and what made you want to start this podcast? How did this come to be? Tell me the story.
Speaker 1:Okay Story. So a couple of years ago. I believe you are familiar with the George Floyd incident.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am familiar so that happened and I started to have conversations with my friends. I am originally from Liberia, west Africa, so I have friends with direct African descent, and then I have friends who are just African Americans, and so, having these conversations, I realized that I was part of two different groups that saw this incident differently. My friends who were directly from Africa was like well, this is an African-American problem, this is not really our problem. I came here to you know, this is America, land of opportunity, and I get what I need to get. And then when I have conversations with my African-American friends, it was this is our fight.
Speaker 1:I feel the pain, and I watched that and I felt the pain, and so I was like okay, these conversations need to be had, because we aren't. We are talking two different things, but when we go out in the world, all people see is this they don't care where you're from and where you got educated, and so this is how the conversation started. My first conversation on the podcast were with my friends that are mixed from different races, different ethnicity, to have this conversation about race and how did it affect us differently? Yes, and we were able to have a great conversation, and then the podcast was birthed and born, and it's been here for like what? Five years now. Okay that's.
Speaker 2:That's pretty good. Congratulations on that. From just like starting it to hey, I want to have these conversations now five years going strong. That is amazing. Um, can you tell me a little bit about your background, like growing up? Have you had any like um background in podcasting at all? Like, tell me tell me.
Speaker 1:So my background, as you can see. Growing up as a kid, I was always told that I talked too much and I asked too many questions. Good, and so that was me. I'm not the person where you would tell you need to do this and I just do it. I need to know why. Why are we doing this? Why is it that everybody else have to do this? I was that kid where it's like everybody doing this, I'm I'm not doing that, I'm doing something else. So I was told that I would be a great lawyer because of-.
Speaker 2:I can see that Exactly, so that's what I was told.
Speaker 1:But I enjoyed being in front of the camera and I enjoy having conversations and so doing therapy. So there was a time in my life where I went through some things and I realized I needed therapy and through my therapy, my therapist told me you yeah, you ask, you ask questions, your questions are valid, but you're outspoken and you're opinionated. And I was like, oh, I never looked at it that way, that's fancy. So creating the podcast, I like conversations, I'm outspoken and I'm opinionated, and so that was it. But it really, and my upbringing I was just inquisitive. I just need to know what's going on, naturally, just naturally, and that was it. And so doing this and having opportunities to host events, being hosts, being mcs and being stuff like that, everybody used to say you should be on the radio. I was like, oh no, I don't like my voice, and so then it just happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. I love that that you've always been like a naturally inclined person or kid to ask questions. Yeah, I think that's a great host for a podcast, because you've got to ask the questions. And you ask maybe some hard questions that maybe people don't really want to talk about, but hey, you're on the podcast and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that no-transcript with Professor Melinda Gay. She was the first black president at Harvard University.
Speaker 2:I think I heard a little bit about it, but I don't know all the details.
Speaker 1:Just to put it into a nutshell. So when the whole thing happened with the Palestinians and that whole thing that's going on, and she was asked by the board to make a statement, and she made a statement as the university, as the president, but it wanted her to make a personal statement and she said I can't make a personal statement because my personal statement has nothing to do with this, and because of that, I would say, she was bullied into resigning. So what they used was a plagiarism tactic and said that years ago, when she did her dissertation, there were a couple of citations that were not in that dissertation and so she was literally so she plagiarized according to them, and so they used that as a way to bully her and then she resigned.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:And so that conversation for me. I had to have that conversation because there are so many women of color oh, my goodness, seeing this black woman who have excelled to the level of where other brown-skinned girls and black-skinned girls can see and say, hey, if she can be the president of not only just a university but an Ivy League university, one of the number one universities in probably in the world. And she can't even stay there that long. This conversation need to be had because what is it about her?
Speaker 1:What was so threatening that people thought it was okay to bully her, to get her down and so I've had this conversation with people with other, I had a conversation with a late professor from howard university in dc. I had another conversation with a young lady who teach african aesthetics in a I think it's in a university in virginia carrimoni university, so I don't want to say the name. Yeah, but we had this conversation just to see it from different angles, to see how women who are in higher education sees it, and it's troubling.
Speaker 2:What were some of the things that you found based on their opinions?
Speaker 1:It's a man area, it's a male lane and you're not supposed to be here.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:It's as simple as it is. This is higher education. This is a place where we can come off as women in the sense of they're too emotional, so there's an arena where you don't need to get into because it takes a lot. You should be home taking care of the kids. This is not an era for you, because you, because you need to teach in the next generation, you, we don't think you have the capacity.
Speaker 2:oh, my goodness to do stuff like that and so all of them there says things like that.
Speaker 1:Or even when it comes to tenure, they're looked over because she might not provide the services like a male. She gets pregnant, she gotta take, she gotta take leave off. He probably won't. So if give her tenure, she's not going to be able to provide the services that we need, compared to the male.
Speaker 2:So stuff like that. That is wild and it's sadly true and it makes me really sad to hear it, because that is the world that we live in, unfortunately, and a lot of people don't want to have these conversations, and I'm glad that you get people with like these amazing backgrounds who come in and share that, because we want to know how they feel, since they're directly in that field, and how it's affecting them.
Speaker 2:So I think that is brilliant, my friend, what you are doing Thank you yeah, and how do you find the topics that you want to talk about? Are you going like seeing what's like trending, kind of like online, or seeing like what's causing a big fuss, or like you see a problem? You're like wait, but how come this is happening?
Speaker 1:let's talk about this so over the couple of years, I've realized this and I've given myself this name I am the inequity disruptor, and I realized that every time there is a topic that shows some sort of unfairness, it, it sparks. I want to know why, and so that's how I've been able to. I haven't really looked at pop culture, looked at a trending topic and stuff like that. It's just like I might be rereading something and I'm like now, why did this happen? Okay, let me reach out to this person and say, hey, would you like to talk about what you went through? So that's how I do, that's how I've been. I've never been like focused on certain things. Do I focus on race conversation? Yes, because I feel like that is a conversation in America that we need to have. Yes, and so I really focus on that. But most of my conversation have been where I noticed there's some unfairness, some injustice happening. I think let's talk about it. What's your opinion about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, have you ever had a podcast episode that got like just complete outrage or maybe something positive came out of it Both sides of the spectrum.
Speaker 1:So I had a conversation one time and this conversation was focused about race, but it was about reparation. And so we had someone who was full into reparation. He is like the champion when it comes about reparation. And so we had someone who was full into reparation. He is like the champion when it comes to reparation. And then I had the mayor of the city of Chevrolet, who she's in diversity, equity and inclusion and stuff like that, and I had somebody else who was just, you know, just regular talk about conversation.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we got to this place where they were trying to give us the distinction between African-American and black American and pan-American, and I got totally confused because I was just like first of all, why is all these different categories and subgroups? We are who we are and you know, when people are passionate about their cause, they get a little. It got hot. When I say it got hot, I had to cut, I had to stop it, regroup, let us, you know, breathe, cool down, drink some cold water.
Speaker 1:And let everybody know to not take it personal. Let's respect each other's opinion and stuff like that. And then we restarted the conversation. If you watch it, you will not see it because of course, we had to cut that part out. Yes, even though my podcast was live at that time, so I had to stop. It was live, recording People was watching.
Speaker 1:Oh man and I felt that this is going to go way too much and this is not what I want to do, and so I just shut it down and we had to come back. But it gets heated, especially when people are passionate about what they do.
Speaker 2:I can totally see that man. I mean, our podcasts don't get like that. But I don't even know how I would handle that. So kudos to you for having the calm and composure, not just continuing the crazy.
Speaker 1:For me, I feel like in every moment there is a teaching and there is a learning moment in that space, so I never knew that there were different subgroups. When it comes to the black community, yeah, I'm like what? Pan-american, african-american and this and that? Okay, and it's like, just like when you're having a conversation with someone LGBTQI+ yes, you have to ask them how should I refer to you? And so it was like okay, so when people tell you you know, I'm african-american, that's how you refer to them. When they say they're black american, you refer to them as black american. Don't call them outside of what they want to be called. I was like oh, I had no idea, can?
Speaker 1:I just be called edwin and we'll move on like can we just stick to that? But yeah, so for me, it was a teaching moment for me and I realized that, you know, and especially because I had someone who was in politics- yes and in that room and because of a status I needed to calm me down yes because she's a politician, you can't let her say things that are going to bite her.
Speaker 2:So yes, no, I'm glad that you are level-headed and yeah and fair when it comes to that. So that's great. Um, where are you marketing yourself right now? Are you on all platforms, I imagine, because you do have a podcast you're touching like all those socials, yep, so tell me a little bit about that so we are on youtube conversation I spoke and opinionated on youtube.
Speaker 1:That's our youtube page. We are on instagram I spoke and opinionated. Podcast facebook, of course, conversation I spoke and opinionated. We are under the network. It's called Alive Podcast Network and so they do distribution with everywhere you can find podcasts Apple Podcasts, spotify, some places I've never heard before, but we've been able to get into that market where we've been. We've now come underneath the Alive Podcast Network brand so that will be able to distribute our podcast. You know that has to get touch everybody, so that has been. We just started this year. Prior to that, I did everything on my own.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, Tell me how that transition has been for you.
Speaker 1:So my niece was my social media guru.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:I have a nine to five and I have 11 year old as well, so it says we'll juggle stuff. So she was like I can do this. So I recorded, sent it to her She'd look at it, do some little edits, even though it was live. But we'll download it, especially to Instagram, because our live only went to Facebook and YouTube. But I like to put some clips on Instagram.
Speaker 1:So she would do some little clips and put it there. And then she got busy. Life happened. I took a little sabbatical and you know get level-headed and stuff like that, and so I was like you know what? I need somebody that can do this for me. I don't mind doing a recording, but I just need somebody that would be responsible to just shoot it out to the different places and get me out there more yes and so I researched, because a lot of people but then a live podcast network was really great because we had the same, we have the same goal, you know.
Speaker 1:and so with that I reached out to them, they reached out back to me, we had a great conversation for our initial meeting and right after the meeting they sent me up, they sent me a contract and said we really like what you're doing, we love your podcast. We listened to a couple of episodes. We think it's great. If you're ready, we're ready.
Speaker 2:Just like that.
Speaker 1:And I was ready and we signed the contract. You know I had to get people to look for the contract. Make sure it's okay. My rights are still my rights. This is my baby. I don't want no problems, but my rights are still my rights. I get everything EP, all the producer rights and everything like that comes to me.
Speaker 2:And so yeah, Perfect.
Speaker 1:Congratulations on that, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2:And now tell me a little bit about because I know it's not easy to have these topics. Tell me about your mental health, like how do you set boundaries for yourself? Because I know seeing and reading about these things can get a little bit disheartening and you can feel maybe a little bit like down or hopeless. So how do you cope with that Therapy?
Speaker 1:therapy. Therapy. I tell people if you do not talk to somebody, you need to talk to somebody, and so I do therapy. Every other week, I sit on on my therapist couch and I tell her what's going on. Anything that comes to my head, I say it. So therapy is a lot and I've done my work.
Speaker 1:I've done my work in a sense, where I know who I am, and because I know who I am, I can come authentically. So when I come to conversations where I'm like this is just a conversation, we are sharing ideas, I'm not here to take it personal. I'm not here to grab your energy and take it with me and go home and where, all my God, no, I'm not doing none of that. We will have this conversation, we'll leave it on the table and we will go. And so because of that and me going through the process of working on me and knowing who I am and really understanding myself, I create healthy boundaries. There are conversations I will not have. I can be honest with you, especially as sometimes I'm loyal by default. Let me say this before I go into it. That's what I'm about to say. Okay, I'm loyal by default where I have friends that have gone through certain things.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And I know because they've gone through certain things and have shared it with me. I be careful when I have certain conversations Because my friends are going to watch this and I don't want to have certain conversations and make certain statements that might affect them. So there are conversations where I would not go to Number one I would tell you I don't like no gossip, blog, pop culture, all that I don't get into that. That becomes really messy and you look, you've been tagged into stuff on social media and people who don't know you start to curse you and say stuff I don't do that, that I protect myself from. And then, just like other conversations where I will have that, I realized that, okay, let me spill this Spill.
Speaker 1:I really want to have this conversation about infertility because I've been around a lot of men and women who have struggled with this. Yes, but people that want to have to have this conversation, they are not comfortable. When you're not ready to have this conversation, I will talk to other people about it, but the people that I really want in the room to have this conversation, they're not ready. So I will not have this conversation. If I go somewhere, if I invited, like here, and somebody brings some stuff like that up, I'd be like oh, no comment, I'm okay, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, because I'm like. No, the people that you know who are close to me, I'm loyal to them. I don't want to have this conversation.
Speaker 1:It's built things that I don't need to say.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that. No, I would never think that, because sometimes you can like see a certain person you can kind of come up with, like the type of person of who you think they are based on what they're putting out there and I would be like, oh, this guy, he does not care, he would have any conversation. But I'm glad and it's good to know, and for the listeners, that you do have boundaries and that you do care about, like your close friends, and the type of conversations that you will have and won't have.
Speaker 2:So, I think that's great, that you know what those are and tell me a little bit about where you see yourself as a person and your podcast in the next five years.
Speaker 1:So, as a person, like I said, I have my regular nine to five. I am a hospital administrator as well. I am a visiting lecturer at a medical school. That's me. I want to be a professor. That is my thing. So you get where that conversation came from right. That's my thing. I love teaching. I love being in the classroom, so that's something that in the next probably two or three years, I'm going to start doing full-time. When it comes to the podcast, I want it to grow. I don't think nobody don't want it to grow. I want my podcast to grow, but I also want it to be a respected forum. I don't want it to be where everybody can just come and say what they want to say. So I'm not going to go there and get the most popular person on social media just because they're popping and that's what the clip, because I want clip bits. That's not me.
Speaker 1:I love that that is not me, that's not what I'm here for, and I think I would say this that's why I've lost a lot of other contracts, a lot of. When the podcast started at first, it was hot and I was getting all kinds of things in because it went oh, we're going to do this, we're going to join you with some other people.
Speaker 2:No, that's not. I'm not here to talk about housewives. I'm not. That is not me.
Speaker 1:I love Housewives, but I'm not going to sit here for an hour and have a conversation with people I don't know. Yes, For them to come on TV and give us a piece of their life and then I take it and have a whole conversation about it. So you know, so I lost some good money because of that. People wanted to get me and put me into rooms and stuff like that. I'm like, no, that's not me. So I want my podcast to be authentic and I want it to be respected.
Speaker 2:Yes, I agree, because I feel like there's already so many shows about, like the housewives, like what's another one and I feel like you set yourself apart by being authentic and unique with the things that you want to put out there into the world. And, on that note, what kind of impact do you hope to leave with your podcast for the world and for the community?
Speaker 1:Start a conversation, these conversations that are not being held. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the fact that we have young kids who have professed, who dealing with their sexuality, and they're not being heard. Let's have that. Those conversations have been had, but people don't want to talk about it, they don't want to call a thing a thing. Let's talk about a woman who gave her entire life to supporting her husband and then, when he becomes who he is, he leaves her and marries somebody else. What happened to her? Let's talk about a single father who's raising four kids on his own and nobody talks about him. There are no programs for him. But there are programs, I'm sorry to say, but there are programs for women and their kids.
Speaker 1:But you go to social services. They got nothing for a single dad, absolutely nothing. And that's coming from experience. Okay, Okay, I, absolutely nothing. And that's coming from experience. Okay, okay, I'm not looking at the camera, I'm talking about experience when you go out there and you're trying to figure out and they're like oh no, you got to pay for daycare. I ain't got money to pay for daycare, but you got stuff for her.
Speaker 1:What about me? So there are these conversations. You know they're finance conversations. You have our kids leave from high school and go off to college and they take these debts, come out with $700,000 debt and you're just working for a $30,000 job. Now how are you going to be able to live your life? So those conversations for me, that is what I want to have. That's the impact I want to have. I want to be able to not only just sit at a dining room table and talk about the TV show that we like or the music that we enjoy. But hey, what's your credit score? What are you doing? What kind of career do you want to go into? Is this even right? Do you think it's lucrative? What about playing beat? What about athletes who go into sports and after sports they're done Zero. They have no money. What happened to them? Where did the money go? And you see these documentation that tell you they were living in a $700,000 house. And how much did the agent get?
Speaker 1:That's something to think about they don't talk about that part, they just talk about how those boys lavished the money to buy the cars in the clubs. So how much did you, as the agent, get? Because let's Because I talk about your pay first, because you got paid before the money went to him for him to mess up the money.
Speaker 2:Wow, mic drop, that's wild. I didn't even think about that. See, you just brought that little piece right there. My mind's like, wait a minute, what? You're so right, you're absolutely right. And now tell me. I want to know who you are as a person outside of your podcast. What do you like to do? Do you like to travel? Do you like to cook? What kind of music are you listening to? Tell me about you outside of your podcast.
Speaker 1:So, outside of my podcast, I am the humorous friend. I'm the friend that everybody, you know, just laugh and joke and talk. That's me. I just love life. If there is a wine festival, I'm going to be at it. I'm going to be at it. I'm going to let you know. I was driving down here and I saw like a winery. I already put it in my phone. Okay, if there is a wine festival, I'm at it. If there is a concert, I am going to be at it. Me too. I am the one that will pay $5,000 to see Beyonce Do that whole thing Over one more time.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I do not care, I love to travel. Funny thing I just got back from Thailand it was a good experience it was amazing the food.
Speaker 2:How was it?
Speaker 1:food was good, but my best moment was I got the opportunity to play with the elephants oh my gosh that's my favorite, that is really cool.
Speaker 2:Did you get to ride?
Speaker 1:no, you can't ride the elephants.
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess that's a good thing. Yeah, okay, elephants.
Speaker 1:Okay, I guess that's a good thing yeah, okay, it's my bad, but yeah, and so that's just me. I just have fun, I love. I spend a lot of time with my son. My son plays football, so we spend a lot of time doing football stuff. Um, yeah, and so I just enjoy life. I've come to the place where I've realized that life is too short and so experience what you can experience, and that's what I've been doing.
Speaker 2:I love that for you, Awesome, and I want to know a little bit more about where your podcast gets. I guess the not the topics, but the training or the information for that, because I know when you get into these conversations you kind of have to be well informed, Right? So how? What kind of resources are you using for that? I feel like I would struggle with it. Like, wait, let me go to the library and read all of this and this and this I watch other people.
Speaker 1:The View. The View. It's a table full of opinionated women.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen clips of those Okay.
Speaker 1:Carlos King is somebody that I watch. Of course, I've already watched Oprah Winfrey, but I watch people and I take things from them. How do they move from question to question, how do they come up with the questions, how do they find their guests, how do they come up with topics and come up with a theme for the whole month? So I watch people. That's my thing. I the whole month. So I watch people. That's my thing. I just watch people. I watch people episodes, I follow them, I study them, I see what they're doing, what I should do better and stuff like that, and so that has been able to help me to get my podcast where it is today.
Speaker 2:I love it. Do you have a favorite episode that you've got to record? I know you love all your podcasts, but is there one where you're like man, that was really good, I love it. Tell me about it.
Speaker 1:My favorite episode was with a friend, Cassandre Simone, and one of my family members who's a social worker, and we had this self-care conversation and it was so good. I learned a lot, the audience learned a lot, the audience learned a lot. We had a good time, but we really went deep into mental health, self-care, mental well-being, mothers who, you know, lose their identity when they have kids or when they get married, and how do they step back into the limelight and all those great things. I mean it was so good, it was really really good, until people have asked me can you bring them back into the limelight and all those great things? I mean it was so good, it was really really good, until people have asked me can you bring them back? But I have another one. I had this conversation with people that I know who've gone through divorce and hardly dealt with it.
Speaker 2:I bet that one's a popular one. That was the most watched episode.
Speaker 1:We had to do a part two with the same people because we had so the she divorced, she divorced, he was still married, he divorced, he divorced and we talked about our struggles. I'm a divorcee, I've been married and gotten divorced, and so I could understand certain things that they were talking about. And then the guys had it from the male perspective, the females had it from the female perspective, and we have somebody who's been divorced and got remarried and so he was able to bring his perspective of how he was even able to get back into the dating scene. We had a do part two of that conversation, but that's how good it was, and so those are my two, I would say, standout conversations that I had that I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2:Love that. That is awesome. And can you tell me, maybe, some key points that maybe I may not be touching, that you want our audience to know?
Speaker 1:Anything that I'm missing, that you're like no, I got to talk about this, or I want to let. I want to use this platform and let their audience know about anything. What well, I would say, you know, I think, um, realizing who you are is super important and I think I love to talk about this all the time because I think, um, when you present your authentic self, it brings a lot. It's calmer, it's relaxed. You're able to have these great conversations where you're not stressing out because you who you are, and I think everyone should find out why they were born and why they are here.
Speaker 2:Those are two different things. Those are hard questions.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't realize that, but the two most important days of your life is the day you were born and the day you realize why you were born. You need to find that because when you find that you know who you are. So when you present yourself authentically, people can just mess with you. When I tell you I don't like what you're doing, I don't like it because I know what I like, I'm not being sensitive, I'm not trying to cause any kind of issue, I just don't like it. Don't do it to me makes life really easy. So I think everyone, once you find your authentic self and find out who you are as a person, it makes life easy. I just I always like to put that out there find out who you are.
Speaker 2:It's very important okay, and now my final question. Sure it'll be kind of a little bit similar, but if you could leave our audience with a message, what would that message be? It could be anything in regards to life starting a podcast, kids, divorce what would that message be?
Speaker 1:love you. The first thing and the most important thing in anything you do in me creating a podcast in me, going through divorce it means spending the time with my son that I do and creating all these other things that I do is I love me. I really love me and I want you to love you. Once you love you, you'll see awesome.
Speaker 2:Thank you. So much well said and just thank you for sharing your wisdom and your story and tell people where they can check out your podcast.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and so, of course, you guys are all on social media, so go to Instagram. I'll put Opinionated and Outspoken Podcast. Of course you can go to YouTube the Conversation Outspoken Opinionated. Facebook the Conversation Outspoken Opinionated. My personal account is Iamtherealmayah I-A-M-T-H-E-R-E-A-L-M-A-Y-A-H and, of course, I am the host of the podcast, a Conversation on Spoken Opinionated, and it was a great time having us.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed it, yay, thank goodness. Thank you so much for being here. No-transcript.