Robin Spires - Interior Designer & Owner of Dirty Bird Signs

When life handed Robin a hammer, she hammered out humor on signs, and it turns out, she wasn't the only one craving a laugh amidst the chaos. Our latest guest, a creative genius who turned their gripes with retail therapy into a booming sign business, dishes out how profanity and honesty became their recipe for success. As they navigate between crafting bold statements on wood and designing tranquil interiors, they offer us a glimpse into the allure of their Airbnb venture, proving that contrasts not only attract but thrive together.

It's not every day you meet someone who champions the art of self-love with the same fervor they apply to parenting and professional pursuits. In a heartening exchange, our guest opens up about the significance of being your own cheerleader after dedicating years to raising children. Through their candid testimony, they illuminate the transformative journey from self-neglect to self-empowerment, emphasizing the essential role that therapy and self-affirmations play in this metamorphosis. It's a reminder that the most profound relationships we cultivate are the ones we nurture within ourselves.

Finally, who doesn't want a slice of happiness, especially when it's self-made? Our conversation takes a turn towards the power of positive manifestation and the selective art of curating a circle that fuels growth and joy. Our guest imparts wisdom on maintaining personal peace, the beauty in every new beginning, and the strength found in life's toughest moments. It's a toast to the relentless human spirit, and an invitation to revel in the victories that follow the formidable act of just keeping on. Join us and find out how embracing the ebb and flow of life can lead to the most vibrant chapters yet.

Chapters

• 0:00 Signs and Interior Design Business
• 10:32 Finding Self-Love and Empowerment
• 16:26 Manifesting, Surrounding Yourself, and Choosing Happiness
• 29:36 Navigating Life's Challenges and Celebrating Victories

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:30

So I have a couple lines of business. One of them is a line of profanity based signs that has been in the black from the get go. So that tells you the state of where our world is. No, you say that again.

Speaker 2: 0:44

A line of signs based on profanity.

Speaker 1: 0:46

Okay, like signs of like, like, like signs that go on the wall Uh, huh, yeah, and they're all in whole product line, Um one. It's just kind of the way I met, um, Sarah Jane. So sometimes we need those signs though. Well, we do, because my tagline is sort of, you know, putting therapist uh out of business. One sign at a time. You know you need to laugh hard because life is tough.

Speaker 2: 1:10

So you know what inspired you to create that specific line of business, Cause you said you've got multiple, so that one I do.

Speaker 1: 1:15

Um, well, I had been in retail, um didn't start out in retail, Didn't know that I, I didn't want to be in retail. It just sort of evolved and uh, and I just kind of got frustrated with, uh, people in customary you know a little bit and and so that was tough and I just thought, you know, this stuff is funny and there's the side of you that you're never uh wanting to show and which is that unfiltered side, because you feel like when you're a business owner and you do, in certain circumstances, you have to, um, just uh, show up with the filter, show up with the filter and you have to. You know you have to put on your mask of professionalism and not to say you can't be professional, but there, you know, there are those times in that side of us where you know you just are like leap, leap, leap, leap, and and and and. So is there, if there, if that's me, are there other people who are just as frustrated?

Speaker 1: 2:15

Could you do it in a way? Could you share profanity? Or? Or you know those, those uh little, four little word letter birds? Could you do that in a way that, um, other people relate to? And so you know?

Speaker 2: 2:31

there's a need, where there's a sign.

Speaker 1: 2:33

There's a sign. Yeah, I mean, one of our better signs is you know, everybody works out and we get older and what do you do? And it's be a bad with a good, I mean, you know. So why not champion and cheerlead ourselves and and not worry about finding someone else to do it for you? So I think that's all they do, but they're never mean spirited and they're always. You know, if you get a belly laugh out of it and you never buy one, who cares that's?

Speaker 2: 3:01

that was.

Speaker 1: 3:02

it was worth it, and that's job well done.

Speaker 2: 3:04

I love it. What type of people do you see buying these signs and where are they putting them Like? Do you have an Instagram? I would. Do you have an Instagram where it's like please share with us. Worthy signs are located? I should.

Speaker 1: 3:14

I do have that. Right now I just sell to wholesale stores because, also having dabbled in retail for a number of years, I just don't have the bandwidth for that. You know, I, my day job, is an interior designer, so this is just something that, as long as it tickles my toes and makes me laugh, I'm still going to keep doing it, because it has always made money. Um, but I'd love to know.

Speaker 1: 3:36

One of my favorite favorite things that has ever happened to me is it was a gal in her late to late seventies to early eighties and she said I'm going to buy one of these and our number one seller and it's going to be a bleeper. So I'm just going to, we're warning you. She said I'm sending this to my best friend because her kids are putting her in a nursing home. And I thought, oh my gosh, you know she didn't want to go. It was the right thing not here to judge. But the sign said and again, you might want to bleep it, but as a wise woman said, um, okay, so in turn, you're also an interior designer, I am.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Any other business ventures?

Speaker 1: 4:16

Um, and I am now dabbling and hoping to um expand. I have my first Airbnb, um, um, it's a. I live in an 1883 farmhouse, I'm in Western Maryland and it is on the property. So, um, that is um. I just signed a gal to help me with PR. Uh, so hopefully I'll start working on the big house because there's a sort of it's more. It'll probably be more of an event space, but I'll more fit, so fun yeah. Like so fun, because then I have a a large farmhouse to go with it.

Speaker 2: 4:51

So the did you just buy this space recently? Yeah, okay, so you've had it for awhile.

Speaker 1: 4:55

I've had it for awhile. They'd been my premier residence, but all along there had been, um, this goal of how do you, um create an income stream out of this, while now, you know, reducing? You get a little older and you, you want to reduce your footprint a little bit and maybe some of the things that you spend. What is that? I've heard you spend half your life gathering possessions and the other half of your life getting rid of them.

Speaker 1: 5:19

Yeah, yeah, so that's where your uh is like yeah, yeah, and then sort of um being able to add to that, and then you know, buy a property and all the places that I would like to stay, rent it and uh, cause I do focus a lot on now commercial uh design and uh, short term vacation rental design.

Speaker 2: 5:39

Um, so your properties are going to look really good yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:42

I do a lot of um. I have a lot of uh. You know, I'm not afraid of a neon sign. Um, I'm not afraid of a lot of color, it's not. I'm not trying to replicate a uh, you know. Hotel room Um. Okay, I don't think you can survive in short term rental and do that anymore. They're actually more short term rentals. Um, then there are hotel rooms. So what are?

Speaker 2: 6:03

so how are you going to approach this then In terms of, like you said, it's hard to survive just looking like a hotel? Yeah, yeah, like what's your vision for the my?

Speaker 1: 6:14

vision is looking at your space, looking at your surroundings and, um, create what. I have a marketing degree. And then I went back to school after my kids were grown and went back for interior design. Uh, back to school. Create a marketing avatar. So which is, who is your customer? Who? Who is going to write your space? What do they look like? What do they want? And then create an experience that would Speak to them.

Speaker 1: 6:43

You know this space is, it's an old summer kitchen-turn cottage, so it's a little funky, it's a little Still has a historic nod. There are a lot of historic pieces, but creating this space where they feel enveloped by you know what that building could offer, or you know what are those people looking for, whether it be nature, because of the location of the space. So, and then, just like you know, get out of the box and, you know, swing from the chandeliers a little bit and like, oh, why shouldn't we have a plaid wall? Well, we should. And I love peel and stick wallpaper.

Speaker 1: 7:25

It is the biggest trend. Is it all peel and stick wallpaper? Okay, wallpaper for a long time was fantastic and then it lost favor because you can spend a thousand dollars to put it up. And I know from Customers and then spend three thousand dollars taking it down by the time you fix the wall board and if it wasn't put up properly. So this whole trend. There are so many vendors out and On the web that you can find these fabulous crazy. You know, maximalism is huge. Big and bold Patterns for wallpaper and then you just you know, it's like contact paper.

Speaker 2: 8:03

Yeah, you know that's. I love that because even in our space we try to keep switching it up for like backgrounds.

Speaker 1: 8:09

You know, yeah, it needs to be easy to put up and then easy to take down and easy to take down and you pay a little bit more money but what you get is high impact for really low effort, low dollar, when you consider the POW and the bang that it offers. You know, and then don't be afraid to mix styles, don't feel like you have to match everything to. You know particular style, keep people guessing and so, if I can continue to do all that, create sort of a. When my photographer came in, she's like there's so many Easter eggs in here and I'm like, yeah, I mean all the way down from a turntable that's, you know, turquoise, because the name of the, the Cottages the Robin's Nest. Just like my interior design business, um, what's it called the Robin's Nest. So it gives you this like huh, this theme brand. It treat it like a product.

Speaker 1: 8:59

Yeah you know, not just like oh, it's a clean room, you know, treat it like a product.

Speaker 2: 9:04

That's your marketing degree background.

Speaker 1: 9:06

Yeah, it is for sure. Yeah, I did that for many years and then, you know, kind of we moved to northern virginia from the midwest and it kind of was sort of Forced to stay home. I mean, you know, it was just like I'd be working for childcare, and why would I want someone to raise my kids? And then, you know, as they start to go to school, you're like, oh god, who do I want to be when I grow up? What do I want to do?

Speaker 2: 9:28

Yeah, yeah, tell me a little bit about you. Who are you as a human?

Speaker 1: 9:31

You who am I as a human? Well, you know, interesting that you say that I, um, recently, am divorced after 30 years and I felt like some of that, the joie de vieve, the firecracker, got lost a little bit because, um, I prided myself on being everybody's cheerleaders. I have pom poms will shake them, um and um, love it. Yeah, you know, I don't know about the short skirt, but, um, you know, anyway, I don't know there you go. It's a new me, but what I can say is you can Be a little overzealous in doing that.

Speaker 1: 10:10

And then when you deal with three kids and a spouse, you know now, spouse, spouse, I can say that that um, travel the globe, you just get lost in the minutiae of life and you are just showing up and oftentimes, I'll find, as women, we forget to show up for ourselves. And it's not a pity story, it's just I chose to do it. I had a. You know, my kids are Freakin fantastic. I mean, I didn't raise, pardon, my french, I didn't raise, that was my goal, I wanted to put good, huge accomplishment, by the way, huge accomplishment.

Speaker 1: 10:49

And they're grown and they're like they, they rock my world. Yeah, I have mom dates and, and you can tell them and, and unfortunately, now that they're all of drinking age, my mom dates are really flip and expensive. They are freaking expensive. But, you know, because they were also raised to be foodies and they don't drink. You know they don't drink well, drink, you know they don't they drink well.

Speaker 1: 11:14

So I, I dated these kids and I loved these kids and it was just like who are you? Yeah, I got lost and, as you start to realize, I had a little moment and it's been some years, but it was just sort of like, if this is my life, this, I don't know if this is what I would have signed up Well, I didn't sign up for this. Don't quite know how I get there. So, you know, as you spend some time figuring it out, you're just like, oh my gosh, I am so much more than this and, uh, you know I'm kind, I still am a cheerleader, but now I get to be a cheerleader for myself and you know, I just want to wake up every day. And you know, I have a motto. My kids say I live with a hundred momisms and my mom, mom ism and and I will die trying, and they know the deal, which is, you know Again, bleep, bleep, apologize, do better.

Speaker 2: 12:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:15

And and if I could sum it up in three things, that is, you know and I've been told in the past, you have no problem apologizing and I didn't come from an apologizing Space and I think that was generational. And it's no shade to my parents, it's just it was generational and it was something that I Learned to do and I think, if people can practice, it's like a muscle, it's so easy and it changes the trajectory of your life. I think if you can Apologize and do better, you said that you're now a cheerleader for yourself.

Speaker 2: 12:49

What does that look like?

Speaker 1: 12:51

That looks like every day working on and god bless therapy. I've had the most amazing therapist in the world, but it was the first homework she gave me was create an affirmation jar, and this is kind of my little sad moment Um, it's sad, but yet it's a meter on how far have come. She said here's your affirmation jar. For two weeks I couldn't put anything in it. I just had sort of somehow had this negative loop, this tape in my head and I could sit and tell you all the things that I didn't like from your foreheads too big or I don't think my foreheads too big, but anyway, but anything such as that. And she's like you have to stop this If you don't stop this loop in your head. So it took me about two weeks and my 27 year old son actually gave me my first affirmation.

Speaker 1: 13:47

I didn't even think about myself and he's like you show up for the people that you love always. I was like huh, I guess I do. You know, I did. I'm like I'm using that, I'm stealing that, you know, but I don't. Why is that so hard? We can sit at least. It was hard for me, I can't, but I do think it's hard for other women. I do think that we fill up everybody's gas tank, that ours has got rust and holes, and we don't. We think of that as being conceited, we think of that as a negative and it isn't. And I didn't know that.

Speaker 1: 14:24

And I had a therapist that said, yeah, that's absurd, that's crazy. Why? And she made a comment, she said, why can't you give the love, kindness, forgiveness, generosity that you give to other people? Why are you not deserving of that? And that was sort of a little bit of a phew, little mind bleep to be able to say, huh, how about that?

Speaker 1: 14:50

And I started to change the narrative in my head and by the time we were done and cause I'm now on a broke girl insurance, you know, as opposed to you know now that I'm ensuring myself and I have, you know, supporting myself and doing all of that wonderful stuff. As we ended and we had to break up, which was far worse than my divorce, breaking up with my therapist, and that was awful, but it was. She's like I said, can I just tell you I think I'm a bad and she's like oh, my gosh, I love that you say that from a girl who literally couldn't put an affirmation in an affirmation jar for two weeks and that is just yeah, just knowing that you're imperfect and not that. Stop the comparison story and you know the idea that I'm trying to compare. I'll be 57 in March, so to try to say that I'm competing with somebody on Instagram or all of the social media and the things that we see that's oranges and apples, it makes a fruit salad, but it's not a comparison.

Speaker 2: 16:07

Yeah, yeah. So now that you've got your bad self, I do.

Speaker 1: 16:13

Back.

Speaker 2: 16:13

Yeah, my bad, yes, your bad. How are you translating that in your life?

Speaker 1: 16:21

Is it?

Speaker 2: 16:21

showing up for you.

Speaker 1: 16:22

It is showing up, it's starting to put forth. I believe in manifesting stuff.

Speaker 2: 16:30

Do you?

Speaker 1: 16:30

I do. I was serious, you were all about the manifestation. I am manifest that I believe it and I am for rent. I mean, if you give me a sob story, I'll do it for free. I believe in it now and seeing surrounding yourself with people who are sometimes where you want to be, whereas before we might feel intimidated, like you know, just get in the room and whatever that looks like, and so starting to Not lose friends, but I was gonna say I have you let go of certain circles.

Speaker 1: 17:07

Active friends, change your friend groups and then you know I am a. My grandmother's nickname for me was little Mary Sunshine. I'm a glass half full kind of girl. Somewhere along the line I just stopped filling my glass. So now my glass is just overflowing because I choose work to be overflowing, and I think we do get to choose that. I think we get to choose happy every day, not our circumstances, but we do get to choose our reaction and our responses.

Speaker 1: 17:42

And you know, if we can sort of grasp that you know and then manifest and say here's where I wanna be, now I'm gonna start acting like I'm here and it's not so much, and stop worrying about the imposter syndrome and say, okay, do a little research, find a role model whether it is on social media or it is a person that you know and just watch them. How do they react? How do they react in a embarrassing situation or in a failure? Cause I don't think failures. We get a ding every time we fail and that's kind of I mean it's a learning experience, I feel all the time Either. When are you learn? I love that, I'm gonna steal it, you win and you learn. So you know it does change when you change your viewpoint when you say I'm just gonna show up, I'm gonna try to be better, if I screwed up, I'm gonna learn, and so how can it not start to create an evolution? And you know who you are and you're being in, who you surround yourself with?

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, I think that's huge because I've had a question before where I was like, well, how do you become so confident? And it's like I couldn't answer the question. But the more I thought about it, I think it's who I surrounded myself with, and these aren't real people. These were the books, the podcasts, the YouTube stuff. Yes, like that's who I learned from.

Speaker 1: 19:07

That is your circle, yeah, but we don't, we forget that because we're bombarded in this day and age. And the one thing too, that, again, god bless my little therapist. She was amazing. I did not realize that my I didn't internalize my space, my think of your life as a bullseye and concentric circles, and that's how I think of it. And that's that inner secret circle. It is invitation only, baby. Yeah, it is invitation only. And I was raised that if you had nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Well, I don't subscribe to that anymore. I think you can say I don't. I think you'd say it kindly, yeah, that I am decisive and I am firm and I will tell you and my motto, and here's how I say it kindly, that just doesn't serve me, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:01

I really actually appreciate that Cause I am. I for the past five years have kind of leaned more that way, but I'm kind of known as somebody who's really nice and kind and empathetic and I want to keep that Like. I want to deliver it in an empathetic way, but I also need the message to be received. So I'll figure out how to say it, so the message will be received and not like you know what a, what a be, but sometimes you just kind of have to like say it and not worry about whether or not you said it nice enough for them to come behind.

Speaker 1: 20:32

So I'm going to ask you a question so do you think you can achieve that and still have that nice part? Because, can you be kind? No, no, no, Cause I would push. I don't think you can do that and I think I'm, I think I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1: 20:48

I think, that you know the intention is. I want to be kind but I get to protect again. I get to protect my peace because I didn't invite you in. Yeah, and you don't have to invite me in and that doesn't hurt my feelings and it used to bother me. I just wanted to be in the cool mommies going to have coffee and run in their yoga pants after the bus stop. The bus stop mommies and the preschool mommies. And I grew up because that's in my generation, that was, you know, not that I'm like oldest dirt, but you know you get up in the morning you feel a little old and then you can't move in and get on your palatine and then life is good. But you're supposed to be part of all these groups and you're supposed to be loved and liked, and but no one over tells you why you're supposed to be loved and liked, or by whom, or by whom.

Speaker 2: 21:37

Yeah, I do agree with you. I think, yeah, that was I was telling Sarah upstairs about I cut off all my hair, like like towards like two inch, like no hair, right? Yes, and I think that was me changing my identity. So I could like now reflecting back on it because it was right before I got a divorce, it was me saying like, all right, nice girl, time is done. Yeah, and now, and now, you're crazy. You are crazy. Now I'm gonna like do what serves, yeah, my family, myself, my business, my people, instead of trying to serve everybody.

Speaker 1: 22:12

Yeah, and you're never gonna serve them. That's the part that no one tells you. You know they can say, well, you won't make everybody happy, but you can try. You know, no, you like don't even try. No, no, the people who are in your circle, and even that circle that extends beyond your intimate circle, okay, those are the people you need to worry about. And all the other people you want to be kind. You know some of the things that I just because I have a real theory about women as well I love to hear that Mary.

Speaker 1: 22:44

Oh, you wanna hear my theory? I love it. I love this is you know, my life in business, and a lot of it has been with women. So I believe there are only two types of women, just two, and they're lovers or haters, that's it. And so lovers are the people who I only wanna hang out with, have pom-poms, don't believe in a zero-sum game. If you succeed, and that means I failed.

Speaker 1: 23:13

And there are a lot of women like that, because and it isn't a women thing, it's kind of how we're taught we're taught to, you know, fight against each other, feel threatened if someone else succeeds, and because we've not really been taught our worth as people, whereas I think and I'm not slaming men, but I feel like they are getting a different narrative growing up, so I can explain it to you now. And so women, we kind of sometimes we're either raised to be like this or we can come in to our own and feel this way, where we, you know, we just want to see other people thrive. Because what it does at number one, it makes you feel good when you can champion or cheerlead somebody, but it also then empowers you to think well, I can do that too.

Speaker 2: 23:56

There's more yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:57

There's more out there. I can do this. There's not a finite amount of success or happiness or love. People who you know get married and everyone feels jealous or and then that goes to that haters side lovers or haters, and there's just no way that you're ever going to truly feel happy for somebody. Now you're going to say it and we can pretend to be lovers, but if you are not, you know your heart and if you're not in that space and if you're a bystander, you can look and you'll see it happen.

Speaker 2: 24:32

You know, it's funny because I didn't even believe that was a thing that, like women didn't like each other just because they were women, until I became a business owner and saw it in action, from these women support groups to, yes, these ones that are supposed to be out championing other women. But then I would see the actions behind the words. Forget the words, hold up, wait a second. This isn't sitting right. And so I've personally just distanced myself and said I'm not participating in that game, yeah, and just kept myself surrounded by the lovers and your definition.

Speaker 1: 25:03

Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2: 25:05

And I got metallic ones.

Speaker 1: 25:06

Yeah, shake them, baby Shake them.

Speaker 2: 25:08

Yeah, that way I don't have to. You can't Deal with it, because I don't do well with stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 25:14

Yeah, Well, and I just I don't think you're going to thrive and succeed and be your, the best version of you. Yeah, In a space where there are actively haters. Yeah, Because my, I have my. Of my three kids, I call them birdie, one, two and three because I'm Robin. Yeah, Even though they're they're grown. Number two is got some serious. He's got serious emotional intelligence. He's just, you know, it's interesting to speak to him especially usually you can't in his 27.

Speaker 1: 25:46

So I mean and by the way, I mean he has a girlfriend, but he's cute and he's a catch I mean that's what I say when you're dating.

Speaker 2: 25:52

Tell her Tell well, she knows. Okay, and I love her too.

Speaker 1: 25:57

So it's perfect. I mean, they are dynamite together. But it is just for him to say you know, mom, I've watched you and I had a period of I had a friend group when he was in high school and it just became very toxic and he said you kind of have a scorched earth approach. I can, and it wasn't ugly. I just beyond the distance, I just cut it off. I just am like no, thank you, I don't want to. You know, I'm not going to go to coffee or whatever, and it just has to be done.

Speaker 2: 26:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:29

Because it just it's like putting diesel in a you know, in a regular unleaded car. It's just going to break down very quickly, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:38

It's not going to work. I just wanted to say that I actually got kicked out of a very big local Facebook group because that's my approach is. I had a very close friend and when I saw how toxic she was, I just had to completely and I kind of gave that a heads up. I did give the heads up to say like, hey, I have to ruin myself from this relationship. I'm physically getting sick. I have to focus on me, my family, my business. And then she was friends with the admin and they just kind of like it did affect my business a little bit. Yeah, Because no longer was I able to share anything about like stuff that I'm doing here, whatever. Yeah, but I was like I won't change it. I won't change that approach because otherwise you're negotiating on your values and I love that and what you're going to tolerate and what you're going to put up with.

Speaker 1: 27:30

Yeah, yeah, and why? Because you don't expect anybody else to do that.

Speaker 2: 27:35

Correct. Yeah, if I was talking to a girlfriend, I would say the same thing Cut it off. You know, just cut it off and move forward, whether it's a female friend or a guy friend or relationship.

Speaker 1: 27:46

Yeah, and why is it that we get a ding for that? Yeah, protecting our peace. And I think we, especially as women, you know we're supposed to be nurturers. We're nurturers, you know, and can you nurture good and healthy relationship? I still believe that I'm a nurturer, but I don't nurture everything anymore. I will cut bait in a minute, well, because what are?

Speaker 2: 28:09

you nurturing At that point? If it's toxic, what are you nurturing? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 28:15

Nothing you are nurturing. You know a swamp, a cesspool. You, you know, I, you know. I'm afraid to say all my momisms because they're. Everyone has profanity as the curse word in it. But you know it's. But you are going to wade through soup.

Speaker 2: 28:36

You got a little book in Yale. You got to like I think I do, I do.

Speaker 1: 28:41

And right now, because I'm recently divorced and I went on vacation with my best girls and we went to the Bahamas they, you know, there were some rum shots and maybe a nude beach, because you know, this is my year of yes. So I've just decided, you know, I'm going to do these things that frighten me. I went to Palm Springs by myself, when on vacation, by myself, and you know. So I've decided I'm going to write a, I'm going to write a book and it's going to be the divorce tour.

Speaker 2: 29:10

I love that. You're already stuff ahead there. I am going to write this book.

Speaker 1: 29:17

I had chat GPT do the outline already. There we go.

Speaker 2: 29:22

You got to use technology to help the sister out.

Speaker 1: 29:24

Yeah, but I think you know what, all these things that you know, and having just gone through a divorce, and I want good and wonderful things for him. I want him to be a great dad or whatever. This is better for everybody. But you know, I felt bad, and I felt bad to say I'm incredibly happy because I'm not. Society says I'm not supposed to be, and I think two people in our adult children will flourish because of this. I think we just grew this way and so let's just not feel bad about that. Let's just champion lives. They're gonna be better for it. But I can't tamp down the euphoria and the joy that I have and I could be. I was married for almost and together with someone for 30 years. I miss my hot girl years.

Speaker 2: 30:19

I don't know about that.

Speaker 1: 30:21

I miss my hot girl years.

Speaker 2: 30:24

Thank you for coming in to your show I'm hot girl years.

Speaker 1: 30:27

I'm hot so, but you know, maybe flipping those standards, you know, turn them on their ear a little bit.

Speaker 2: 30:37

So to kind of wrap this up, if you could give one piece of advice to the world, I feel like you have like a hundred pieces. No, why? What would that be?

Speaker 1: 30:47

It is what I say, because life is hard and life is tough and we're all gonna be, as I started to say, really waiting through the soup. We're gonna be waiting through it and there's no avoiding that. We can sit and look at other people and say, look, how great their lives are. We're all gonna be going through something and you need to just put your waiters on and just know that you keep walking and the only way it's not around. You have to go through it. And so start to see the shore and then celebrate that. And then, as you keep walking, it'll get easier because it'll get closer and you'll see, might not be where you want it to be and how you want it to end, but it is gonna end. And then you get to assess that because if you stay, it's just gonna smell, it's just gonna stink. So you have to get to the shore.

Speaker 2: 31:49

I have the visuals of the cesspool that you're like with the.

Speaker 1: 31:53

Yeah, put your waiters on, but we can do it. But you can do it, and it's just one step at a time, and stop thinking that baby steps don't matter. And that's where I think we become impatient. And so if you could tell anyone that it is gonna go through the tough stuff now that you have the visual and just keep looking to the end, because it will end, it will end.

Speaker 2: 32:19

And it might be a nude beach that you're walking it might be.

Speaker 1: 32:21

with three shots of rum, it might be.

Speaker 2: 32:24

Thank you so much for being on the show.

Speaker 1: 32:25

Thank you, I appreciate it.