A Recovery Journey - Faith and Recovery: Jennifer Alai's Inspirational Journey

Jennifer Alai is a passionate advocate for recovery and a certified recovery specialist. Originally from New Jersey and now residing in Pennsylvania, Jennifer began her journey with addiction later in life, battling alcoholism in her thirties and forties. With five years of sobriety under her belt, she now dedicates her life to helping others through peer support and sober coaching.

Jennifer shares her powerful story of struggling with alcoholism, the toll it took on her life, and the multiple rehabs she underwent before achieving sobriety. She talks about the turning points in her journey, including a high-speed chase that led to her final wake-up call and a transformative hospital stay. Jennifer’s story highlights the importance of support systems, faith, and the commitment to recovery, offering hope and inspiration to others in similar situations.

Listeners interested in addiction recovery, the role of peer support, and overcoming life's challenges will find this episode particularly insightful. Keywords like "alcoholism recovery," "peer support," "sober coaching," and "mental health" are woven into the conversation to enhance discoverability for those seeking guidance in these areas.

**Potential Listener Questions:**
1. How can peer support play a crucial role in the recovery journey?
2. What are effective strategies for maintaining sobriety and preventing relapse?
3. How can incorporating prayer and spirituality enhance the recovery process?

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So the next time I tried to stop, I did it on my own and that didn't end well. I was seeing things, I was, um, it was like people were in my house, like smoking and cooking dinner and yeah, so he rushed me then to the hospital. I didn't come out of that for like two weeks. They weren't really even sure if I was going to. Yes, I'm super excited because we recovery, us in recovery, we make this world go around. We're, we're the most resilient people. We're the most hardworking people. So I just love, love, love hearing everybody's story because I get my therapy from that too, which is being honest, right? So I got a great guest today, Ms. Jen. Um, she actually connected with Ocean Tree creative. So shout out to Ocean Tree because they always putting in the work, they behind the scenes, making sure we have quality guests, a quality podcast. So shout out to Ocean Tree creative. Yes. And Jen, shout out to Jen too, for being a guest today. So Jen, tell my, tell my people a little bit about you. Who are you? Where you come from? Yes. Hi, I am Jen Ally. I originally come from New Jersey. So I grew up there. Um, I moved up right now. I'm currently in Pennsylvania, lived here about 25 years. Okay. You don't even look 25. Thank you. Uh, so yeah, so I've been up here about 25 years. Um, so a little bit about me. I am in recovery from alcohol for five years now. Yes. I, um, I didn't get into the addiction world actually. Um, until I was in my thirties, I didn't drink until then. So, um, I know a lot of stories start with like a younger, maybe, you know, addiction starting younger on, um, younger in your life. Um, but I'm someone who, no, I did this into my thirties, into my early forties. Yeah. So that was, um, that was something that was kind of like a surprise. So I got a question. I already got my first question. Okay. What led, I mean, like if you was able to get all the way through your teenage years, high school twenties, what pick, why, why pick up drinking at 30 or abusing it? As you say, it's nothing wrong with, you know, having a little alcohol in there, but what, what led to the abuse? No, um, there's not. And, um, I think what, what, what, what ha what happened was I started, I just started first of all, drinking, um, go as like a casual thing, social thing. You know, we moved to a new neighborhood. I was going to like wine fest were real popular back then. I didn't even like it at first, you know, I just liked like the sweet stuff and I didn't like anything like it, but it so just happened that I was also at a time in my life where I was having a lot of anxiety around some issues, both work and personal life. And I think because I always, I always had high anxiety from the youngest age I can remember. And I never dealt with that. Um, healthy, you know, I, you know, we didn't, I didn't see anybody for it therapy wise. Um, to the point where it was sometimes just totally like paralyzing. And so I did some other behaviors throughout the years. Like I did go through like kind of an eating disorder, anorexia earlier on in my twenties, early thirties. And so this just happened to be, you know, as I started drinking and my life started getting more like conflicted. And, um, I just thought, wow, you know, it turned into like, wow, this is nice. I can, you know, I can deal with going home and, uh, you know, whatever's going on and, you know, in the home, you know, and it takes two, but you know, it was a pretty, um, it was an emotional kind of thing going on there at home. And so it just started sticking. And like, I, then I started just going over to my neighbor's house before dinnertime after work and moved on to the harder stuff. So basically, you know, your alcohol, um, your alcoholism progressed, like you, you, you started off socially because as a counselor, I always like to like reiterate, make sure I'm hearing, reflecting the right, right. Right. So you started off in your thirties, just really just having fun with it. Just socially, you know, it didn't taste good to you, but she was like, man, everybody else is doing it. Let me just go ahead and do a little bit too. And then, and then it becomes, um, like, Oh wait, wait, the body becomes like, what, what's, what's this might not taste good, but it definitely feels good. And then once you get that feel good, once the body starts feeling good, man, it's almost impossible to stop. What caused you to stop? How did you stop? You know, that kind of good stuff. What, what led to recovery? What was your road to recovery? Well, my world to recovery, well, it took about five years. Once I realized I had the problem, I realized I had it, but I still at that point didn't want help. So my first, um, initial round with finally going into rehab, like I went into meetings, I started seeing therapists, you know, but I was drinking before the meeting, after the meeting, like wasn't ready, wasn't ready. Went to my first rehab in 2016. That was around May. And again, that was kind of a forced in thing. The family was just tired of it. They put the, I'm washing my hands on you. Yeah. You got to go somewhere, you know, like we can't handle this anymore. So again, I went not willing, you know, stayed and stayed in a sober living for a little bit, came home. I, again, I'm drinking on the plane home, you know, they pick me up, I'm already drinking. And if over the next few years, I ended up, um, then by the end of that year, though, getting divorced, well, starting the process, you know, that somebody else through the rooms and, um, just kept going. So for the next three years, I was in and out of four more rehabs. I went multiple hospital trips. Wow. Um, yeah, my body does, did not do well, um, with the drinking. Cause for the short amount of time that I did it, not really, I mean, short, but compared some people and don't have like some of the repercussions that I had. Right. But again, I mean, I was to the point where I was drinking 24, seven, you know, I just, because I had to keep it in me. He was waking up, going to sleep. Yep. Yep. Going. I mean, I had a job, a professional job. I was at lunch. I was driving over to like an area to drink at lunch just to get the shape. So was you able to still maintain your ex, you know, your actual life, your lifestyle jobs, you know, everything with, and having addiction. I was, and I was for quite a long time and, you know, no one knew I was hiding it. And again, that other, that was another expectation. Everybody was like, Oh, look at her. You know, she has the house, the daughter, the well-behaved daughter, the job. And little did they know I was, you know, going home and drinking in the closet because I didn't really have it all. You know, inside I was dying and in a mess. So that was, you know, that was tough. So I did maintain it for a while until that, like I said, until that first rehab and then I came out and I got worse. And then I wasn't working at the time. I was just drinking. And I mean, when you're hiding the bottles and then I'm like, and then I'm drinking before you go out. So people don't know how much you really had to drink. So you can have a few when you're out, you know, hiding it, you know, collecting the bottles, taking them out to somewhere else to get rid of them when nobody was home. And, you know, so this is why like a lot of people really didn't pick up on how much I was drinking for a while. And I was able to maintain a job for a while. So then, so I'm out of the house, I'm with somebody else and it, my drinking is now not working. So now it's really out of control. Again, drinking just to like, at this point, you know, I'm not even enjoying it for the taste, you know? Yeah. I had to get my gallbladder out. There was a time speaking of, cause I'm pretty strong on stigma, but that I was in a hospital and treated really poorly. And so the next time I tried to stop, I did it on my own and that didn't end well. I was seeing things. I was, it was like people were in my house, like smoking and and yeah. So he rushed me then to the hospital. I didn't come out of that for like two weeks. They weren't really even sure if I was going to come out of that because I tried to detox and know that I know you can die from that detox. Oh yeah. I had it all. I mean, I was like, I got to get out of here. I was ripping the, the, you know, like the IVs out. I'm like, I'm going to dinner with Aaron judge. Like they're like, is she like, you know, you were delusional. I was very delusional, very delusional. So, so what, I mean, how'd you get, how'd you snap back? Cause you, you look amazing now, by the way, happy five year anniversary. Cause I know that's a huge deal. And however many times I can say that again, I will again and again. Cause one thing about addicts, we love to be celebrated. It's, you know, it's better to be celebrated than, than tolerated. Right. So what, what led to just like, what, what was the final straw? The final straw was there was like two things, but the final straw was in 2019 in February, I was going down to visit my parents in New Jersey. That point I had like a, um, not very good relationship with my daughter and she was at the age, you know, she was sick of it, you know, and I don't blame her. It's very toxic. So, so she just had to remove herself. And that's totally like very adult-like of her to know that. Um, but of course it tore me up. So she's at the age where she's looking at colleges. I happened to see that as I'm driving down at like, I stopped somewhere and that she's doing that with somebody else in the family, not me. I stopped at a liquor store. I buy some liquor to take down. Um, it never made it there. So I ended up drinking it. Cops, somebody called in that I was, you know, they thought I was a sick medical emergency. Well, the cops got behind me on the parkway in New Jersey. And for the next 30 some minutes, I took them on this chase. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. On and off the parkway, I went like straight through like one of those roundabouts. They had me stopped a few times and I got out of it. Like I ran their police vehicle. It was by the end of that, I, then I wouldn't get out of the vehicle. I guess they had to break the window to get me out. What? Yeah. And I don't remember any of this. This is all just from reading the reports, you know, and people telling me what happened. And so I did all that in a blackout for 34 minutes. I was looking at like 15 different charges along with assault on a state trooper. Yeah. I was looking at like one to five years, um, state prison at that time. Yeah. So, um, there right there was the grace of God. Yes. God showed up for you for sure. He did. Most people would have went to jail with some of that, just a piece of that story for a person like me, I'll be, I'll be doing this podcast from jail. I was lucky that, okay. So that, so I was very blessed and lucky in grace of God. So that was in February and I didn't get sober till May, but so I still drank, you know, because my daughter's still not talking to me now. I don't know what's going to happen to me. I'm like a mess thinking I'm going away. What happened was I went to jail for one night. Um, while I was still down there in New Jersey, they called me back to the station, talked to me, went into jail for a night. It's a no bail state. The next day after the judge, whatever, saw the case, I came out and then my case didn't come up for like another year and a half. So I had all that on my mind, but, um, but still like, it was, you know, it was like, okay, how much further down can I go? Even though I still continue to drink a few more months, I just finally, what happened is I went back to back hospital trips at the end of April from drinking too much and taking some of my medicine, anxiety medicine, again, not realizing it. I wasn't intentionally trying to kill myself, but that's what they thought. So I go away to my last rehab. That's, that was probably the worst one I was at, but I was serious this time, you know, and, uh, I did the work. I said, listen, I'm here to work. I need to save my life. I need work to do and I needed a good aftercare. So when I was laying in that bed before I headed to that rehab, I just gave it up to God. I just, I had grown up in a Christian household. I did go to church. I was, I was saved. I was with Jesus. Um, but I kind of, in those years that I was drinking, kind of put that to the side because I knew what I was doing was wrong, you know, and it wasn't a godly thing. And so I finally just said, okay, I'm done. You know, God, please, you know, I don't want to live like this anymore. You know, I'm giving it up to you, whatever I need to do, I need you. And, you know, I get chills. And from that day on, like, I have not really had a craving at all. Like, I mean, and I never would have imagined that, you know, like how, how stuck I was in that, like that I would even be able to go five minutes, you know, without drinking. And, uh, let me tell you, I mean, I did a lot of work as well. You know, I stayed in that rehab. I came out to an aftercare and a therapist and I went 48 sessions. Um, you know, there, and then like within two months of that, I started up my schooling again to become, um, in the drug and alcohol addiction field, got my certified recovery specialist, um, got my associate's degree and then went on to get my bachelors. Yeah. I'm clapping that up because I'm telling you, we do not celebrate our victories enough. Man, you've been through a lot, a lot, a lot that you put, you know, it was self-inflicted, but damn, you made it through. I'm very proud of you. I love your story. So what are, what are some of the, um, things that you use in your recovery to help you stay on track? Um, so what I use is a prayer devotionals. I love prayer prayers. That's today's secret word guys. When you hear prayer, clap screen, do whatever real loud. Just anybody that says prayer to you today. Yes. Clap and be happy. Put a big smile on your face because prayer not only changed her, it changed me and it changed a lot of people. So prayer is a big deal. What'd you think? Yes. A very big deal. So I think immersing myself, you know, into the school and the learning, but the devout start my day with the devotional. Um, I'm in constant prayer with God all day long. We just talk all day. Yes. Um, uh, so that, that's huge. Uh, exercise, exercise. Oh my God. You're talking everything I talk in my daily practice. These are things that these are healthy recovery ingredients. So go ahead, keep going. I'm no, no, they're good. And you know, to get those endorphins fill that time where you were drinking and, um, you know, the habit of that and with healthier. And once you start doing that stuff, I feel that it makes it harder and harder to think about going back to that because you're feeling so much better, you know, you're eating better. Like I said, you're doing, you're doing the exercise, which gives you those endorphins and it's natural and it's healthier. You're, you're staying in contact with, with God and your prayer. And, um, you know, and I, and also I think just being out there telling my story and not keeping it, you know, hidden and in the closet is also a very healthy part of my recovery. Like I work right now in the construction business. I work in a lumber yard, okay. At a, at a sales desk. I've done that for the last four and a half years, pretty much almost the whole time I've been in recovery. And let me tell you, um, that's a tough world and right. And so, and I knew nothing of the industry. So that first year I was trying to get sober and I was, I was having all this like negativity thrown at me, um, at the job, not from the people at the job, but like the construction workers and, and stuff. And let me tell you, my anxiety would have in the past had I not learned how to deal with that. Yes. Yes. So it doesn't like, also, I don't want to give the impression like, okay, I just did this and this, and then everything was great. I mean, life happens. Right. And I've had a lot. I mean, my, again, my case didn't come up for a year and a half. So that whole time, you know, I'm not drinking, but I'm also knowing I could be going to prison, you know, for one to five years. I think when my case finally did come up, going back to that and I had a good lawyer, but when my case came to the end and the final judgment, the, the judge did say, yes, you did have, you had a good lawyer, but he's like, you did the work. And I rarely see this. Like I wasn't court mandated to anything to do any of that. I just did it on my own. Cause I was sick of it. Right. And he's like, I don't often see this. He goes, so I'm going to say to you, you did the work congratulations. And I don't want to see you back here. Oh, that's big. Oh yes. That's huge. That'll happen. You know, they usually go through like diversion, a whole bunch of classes they make you do, but you did it. I did it already. Yes. Yes. On my own. So were there any relapses in the recovery process? Not since then. I mean, prior to, yes, I had had short bouts of recovery at one time, right after I had pancreatitis from the drinking. Right after that, I stayed a couple of months sober. Um, just cause that pain was, oh my gosh, horrible. And, uh, but I never, I relapsed. I was like relapse city, you know, for years, but I have not had any since that date. I like when you said relapse city. So that's going to be your new name. When I reach out to you, I'm going to say, Jen, how's relapsing? And the reason why I brought that up, it wasn't to like trigger you or anything, but my audience, a lot of the people that I serviced are new to recovery and they are still in the struggle stage. They don't believe that they can achieve like some of the successes that you have. So I always like to talk about relapse because I believe relapse is part of recovery as well. You know, it's, you know, it's the strongest part of recovery because once you learn how to really just say no, like some of your story, like you said, man, you did it, you were messing up going back and forth. But then one day you even went to a rehab that you didn't even like, you didn't care for the place at all, but you care for yourself more. And you like, man, I want this more than I want anything else. And that's, and that's where the breakthrough came through. Yes. Right. So I'm super proud of you, man. That story is amazing. So what kind of work are you doing these days? So these days, I mean, I'm still working there at the Lumberyard, but I am in the process of getting my own business up and running and I'm going to, I'm sober coach. Okay. And I, cause I really, this is another part like that of my story. There's so many parts of it, but like when I was in that hospital that last time as well, and I had that, you know, the come to Jesus talk and, but I also had a lady come to me who was in peer, peer recovery person. And it was the first time somebody actually talked to me like there was nothing, not nothing wrong with me, but like, I wasn't bad. They understood. They understood. Right. Right. Like she'd been there. Okay. And she told me her story and now she's sitting here with this job at the hospital, you know, helping me. And I'm thinking I can do that. I can be like, it wasn't like doctors just yelling at me and like looking at me like, oh yeah, here she is again. You know, she's drunk again. Right. Cause that's how I was treated. And to the point I was afraid to go back. So like that, that's really big. So I believe peer support is, is huge. You can have all the degrees and trust me, I'm not, I'm not putting down my education, but I just, there's nothing like the peer support we've been. I totally agree with you. I think that, you know, peer support is like that lived experience. And again, like I said, when we first started like addicts, people in recovery, we learn best from addicts and people in recovery. So the peer support, I, you know, I love shout out to all the peer support people. Cause I look at those people as frontline workers. That's the front line, man. You, you deal with the patient and the addict in their rawest form. Okay. I'm a counselor. So I do, I do the, the backend work, you know, I help motivate you to keep you on track, but to get you just that first day on track, peer support is where that that's that department. So shout out to those people. Shout out to you. Are you, so are you studying now to be like more peer support or are you looking to be counselor? I'm looking to just be more peer support. So I am looking to be that person that is, is going to help you. Even if you're like, I, no matter where you're at in the journey, okay. Whether you're still drinking, maybe you're questioning, you're drinking, you're, you're not sure, you know but you want to just talk it out, you know, see, see what it would be like. It, you could be in your sobriety already, maybe five years in and something's happening. You're hitting a rough patch and you just need to reconnect with somebody, somebody to share that with you and, you know, reiterate some of the things that you learned early on and why, why that you are in recovery. You know, I feel like I speak to everybody and anybody, but I feel since mine came on later in life and I was like, I'm a woman and you know, in my thirties and forties that I would probably, I probably speak to those situations, those women population a little, a little clearer. They'll understand you more. They'll definitely understand you because there's a lot of people that look just like me and you, okay. They, they, they have a story similar, but you're like, you're the first. I haven't, you know, I've been doing this work for a long time, but I rarely see people that, you know, enter the addiction world in later years. A lot of people did this 14, 15 and just get caught in a cycle, but you, you started later in life and you know, you ran through the gamut, but you made it through and that's the biggest blessing. Like people can learn from you, you know what I'm saying? I think that's great. So how can people follow you? Like if they want to support your journey, how can they follow you? Yes. So they can follow me. I have a Facebook group. Okay. It's Jen Ally Sober Coach. Jen Ally Sober Coach. I love this story. So go ahead. You got more social media links for us? I also have, I'm on LinkedIn, but I'm also on, I also have my own website. So, and that is Jen Ally Sober Coach 23.com. And this is, that's my, my website. And like I said, I really, I really just want to, I just want to help people. Okay. I want, I want, yes. Like if you're out there and you're listening and I don't relapse again. Yes. That is part of it. And, and you know what, every time you come back from that to speak back on that, you get stronger. And I, and I applaud people, you know, for, I know a lot of times you feel like you did it, you know, something wrong, you relapse. Now you're trying to come back. No, it is something to be applauded that you're at least getting back up and trying again. So please, I mean, I want to help you. I've been through it. You know, I know what works, what doesn't work. Um, you know, I have a lot of empathy, a lot of compassion. Yes. I love those words. You know what I mean? I just want to make it a little less, you know, um, painful as I can for you. You know, I wish I did it for you and someone did it for you. So it's just like, it's part of this. I want to do it for you. It's part of recovery is giving it back. So guys make sure you tap, tap, tap in. If you need more information, I got her on speed dial, so I can actually get you to her. If you understand, so I love it. I love it. I'm actually going to invite you back here every quarter, just because I want to check in with you and see how the journey is going. And, you know, you know, affirmations for recovery, we can help you. But before I let you go, like, do you, what, what's your thoughts on journaling? Because this is a, you know, we do a lot of journaling in this space. And I just like, that's one of my modalities that I use for recovery for new people is journaling. So what, you know, what's your thoughts on that? Um, I love it. I do love journaling. I never thought I would be a journaler, but that has also been a huge, even if it doesn't scare you, you don't have to write like a whole page or a book every day, just jot down a few things and maybe in the morning or at night. And you'd be amazed when you go back and look at some of the stuff, like, I love going back and looking at some of the stuff that you forget. Absolutely. You wrote down the struggles or like the highs. So if you're having a bad day, you know, you can look back and look at some of the things that you did get through and that you accomplished. And how you did it and how. And how, right. That's important. So journaling for me, affirmations for recovery, I do a daily, it's a mission. Like it's really about unlearning and relearning, right? We got to learn how to process information better. We got to learn how to smile more because when we smile more, that's good energy, right? And just in contrast to frowning, like when people are always mean and looking like it, having that stare at you, that's where, you know, to me, that's where bad energy lives. I like to smile. I like to be happy. And for me, journaling was what was the way for me to get to that. Right. I was able to learn how to process how I was feeling and I was learning how to see how what works for me and what doesn't because recovery is individualized. It's not, you know, what's poison for me might be a cure for you. Yes. Right. So you got to find what works for you. And through journaling, this is an amazing tool. So make sure you guys, make sure you guys get this product exclusively. It's on Amazon. I have a link on my website, ericallen recovery.shop. And there's also other recovery tools there that you can use because it's all about adding value to what you're doing in your recovery space. So what would you say to somebody new in recovery? Like give, give some advice for somebody new in recovery. Ah, new in recovery. Uh, it, it, it gets better. Yes. It gets better. Yes. It gets better. Just don't give up. Even if you have to take it minute by minute. I think, I think, I think you, my soul sister, cause like either you read my script or you or me, or me, you're saying the exact same things because that's exactly how I talk to them. I say, I say things like guys, when you really knew a recovery, sometimes you have to take it one breath at a time. You know, don't worry about the next breath. Just worry about this breath right here and you're clean. You haven't took any, you know, uh, mood altering or mind altering substances or alcohol or anything. So just live in that breath. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And then it gets better because you'll learn how to take more breaths. And one day, you know, a breath of turning to an hour and an hour turns into a day. And then the day turns into a week and a week out of, you know, the rest. I know you celebrate it. That's where recovery lives. Okay. And we celebrate. So I love to celebrate it. I like, you know, I like, cause we, we do a lot when we damage ourself through the recovery process. So a lot of us, when we get healthy and we, and we, and we get our sights on recovery to me, I think that's the most important time to celebrate that because that in itself is a challenge. We got a world full of people that haven't woke up yet. We do wake up, we celebrate, we celebrate, we celebrate. So any final words for my audience? Like, what would you say? What would you leave the audience with words of advice? Like somebody in recovery, that's like, just been struggling. They just can't get out the bed. They ain't, they haven't figured it out. Right. What would you tell them? Reach out, reach out to somebody, you know, a peer, you know, reach out to me, you know, you have all the information for me, get to a meeting. I know you don't feel like it. Even if you had even an online meeting, you know you'll feel much better connecting with other people like-minded like you. And I mean, it's, I can't explain it, but it's, it's, it's no commitment. It's no judgment. Just, please just reach out. Like I said, take, like you said, I say, take that next breath, make that move and stay positive, stay positive. And, and one thing she said that, and one thing that she said that I really, really love and appreciate man, prayer. Yes. Prayer is the answer to a lot of these things, you know, and you have to believe, you have to believe when you pray. Don't just do those, those cliche prayers. I'm praying because Jen told me to. No, you're praying because you believe that it works and the father is going to deliver. So prayer is amazing. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of prayer. That's one of the biggest things I use. Talk therapy is one of the, another modality that I believe is important to the recovery process because a lot of people just want to be heard. And it's like, you know, through being heard, you feel more appreciated and you know, you're more, you're, you're less likely to abuse yourself. Right. So shout out to LIE Foundation. That's one of my main sponsors. O-W-W-L-L Al. I don't know if you heard about Al. Are you on Al Jen? I don't think so. Okay. Well, you're going to get on out today. Cause that is a new platform for today's working entrepreneur. And I promise you it's a game changer. It's like my whole village lives there. Like the recovery community there, there is a recovery community there. There's other, um, licensed clinicians and everything like that there. So today that is your homework. That is O-W-W-L-L. It's an app stores. Okay. And then when you download it, use the referral code EA. All right. Like that. And then that'll get you $10. So you can use, I'm going to be your first call. Cause I'm going to, I'm going to call you and I'm going to let you know how to really, really maximize and navigate the Al platform, but it is a great, it's a game changer. So trust me. Okay. Okay. Yes. So guys, I appreciate everybody being here. Recovery is a huge deal. It makes the world go around. It's one of the oldest pandemics has been around as, as long as the world has been around, recover the need for recovery and recovery is not a substance guys. I just want to remind you, it's not a substance. It is a mindset. It starts in the mind. So then when you, when you reprogram your mind, you can put that towards anything. You can put that towards alcohol, drugs, sex, whatever the case may be. Okay. It being here, make sure you comment, like do all that good stuff because that's how we drive the car. Yes. Feedback support. It's an action word guys. Okay. Until next time, take care of yourself and each other. Let's go. Post-production is done with care by Ocean Tree Creative.