012: Let's Get Metaphysical // with Sara R. Reeves

Sara Reeves, the former resident psychic and educator from the Night Owl podcast joins us to share the wisdom she has garnered from her interactions with the other side. As the founder of 'The Metaphysical U' and the voice behind the 'MP Unleashed' podcast, Sara recounts the critical moments that shaped her path and offers insights into embracing our intuitive selves.

 Sara tells stories of unusual happenings within her home, and we discuss the significance of acknowledging young family members with psychic gifts. This episode is not only about recognizing our own abilities but also about the support systems that help us navigate them.

During our chat with Sara, we delve into the practicalities of connecting with spirit guides, fostering mental well-being, and the intricacies of teaching psychic skills. Whether you're looking to better understand your own experiences or to develop latent abilities, Sara Reeves is a lighthouse guiding you through the mystical fog.

To learn more about Sara, find a mediumship course, or book a reading:
https://www.metaphysicalu.com/ 

Transcript

Lauren: 0:08

Way. Feather Media presents Claire Voyaging. Good afternoon, good evening, good morning.

Frank: 0:22

In that order.

Lauren: 0:23

All of those, hello, hello. Well, it's another day.

Frank: 0:32

It's another comfortable intro from Frank and Lauren.

Lauren: 0:37

It's another day in the Leon household.

Frank: 0:39

Sure is, covid strikes again, again. Guess what I'm up for?

Lauren: 0:44

What.

Frank: 0:45

Four. This is number four. This is round four for me.

Lauren: 0:48

Yeah, I think round I don't have it, so this one's not on me.

Frank: 0:54

Look at, she just rubs it in my face.

Lauren: 0:56

I don't know, maybe I'm still immune. Anyway, hello everyone. We've got a fun show today.

Frank: 1:04

Man, she sells it. Listen up, we've got a special one today. This is this one's a big deal to me. I had the nervous sweats. Full disclosure. You did, I did.

Lauren: 1:13

Frank walked away sweating for sure.

Frank: 1:16

It was either COVID or just my nervousness.

Lauren: 1:18

Yeah, I think you were excited. He's a fan.

Frank: 1:20

I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.

Lauren: 1:22

I am too.

Frank: 1:23

You are now.

Lauren: 1:24

Yes.

Frank: 1:26

We had Sarah R Reeves on the show and had a great conversation. Sarah is probably made popular from the podcast called the Night Owl podcast. The Night Owl podcast is kind of like a ghost hunting show, except for it's a podcast and if it were a show it would have been the best show. That's a ghost hunting show that I've ever seen, but it's a podcast and Sarah for a while was the resident psychic and oh man, like the show itself is amazing and the host, steven, does an incredible job and I recommend it to anybody who's interested in any of the paranormal stuff. But Sarah's participation on it was just a pleasure. She was kind of like bringing in the big guns and she just her approach to talking to spirits and stuff. She just has a. She has a very strong command of the field.

Lauren: 2:17

She's like having conversations Like okay, well, what are you doing here? No, you're going to talk to me. It's so awesome. Yeah, I'm much further behind from Frank. Frank is like very caught up with that podcast.

Frank: 2:30

Very caught up.

Lauren: 2:31

I'm not, but I became an immediate fan. So, yeah, she's no longer on that podcast. She is doing her own stuff because she's a badass.

Frank: 2:41

Yeah, sarah started her own metaphysical school. Yeah, for psychic training, called the metaphysical you.

Lauren: 2:47

Yeah, she's teaching intuition, development and mediumship.

Frank: 2:51

And I think she kind of helped us along the way too.

Lauren: 2:53

I think so.

Frank: 2:54

And then she also has her own podcast called MP Unleashed, where she hosts it alongside some of the other practitioners at metaphysical you.

Lauren: 3:03

Yeah, she's so cool.

Frank: 3:05

I need to like listen to her insight again because hearing it the first time, I was like, oh, I need to take all of this in and so I took notes the first time around while we were talking to her, and then I took notes again while I was editing, because I'm like this is some good stuff, yeah, and also I might have cut it out, but her husband, renee, made a sneak appearance during the interview, which I was very excited because he also is someone who showed up on the night owl podcast. So I hope you enjoy it, lauren. Any final words before we get into it.

Lauren: 3:35

Enjoy Sarah Reeves.

Frank: 3:38

Enjoy. Sarah Reeves, we did, sarah Reeves. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Sara: 3:45

Of course, thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys reaching out.

Frank: 3:48

Full disclosure because I haven't already said it, even though we've been talking for like five minutes or something. But you are to me, you are like an A list celebrity. I, like am a giant, giant fan. I listened to Thank you, yeah, I listened to all of the night owl podcast and I feel like that really gave me a little bit and idea of your, how you've grown as a medium and you've helped me personally. You've shown me how to not be afraid of the unknown and, like through you, I've really seen how spirits really are just people and you have to set your boundaries, just like you would with the living and all that. It's been an absolute pleasure to hear you work.

Sara: 4:24

That's wonderful. I'm just, I'm just glad you're leaning into your intuition, so that's that's good.

Lauren: 4:29

Anything I can do to help for that, that's that's fabulous Frank's always been such a fan of, you know, listening to anything paranormal. And there was a shift all of a sudden. You actually you were like okay, I don't, I know what you're saying. I don't feel that scared Spirits are just people and it seems like they're everywhere, kind of like got this conversation going in the last like six months, along with, like, our family, one of our family members, experiencing something that we were like. Let's dive a little deeper.

Frank: 5:02

Right.

Lauren: 5:03

I like it.

Frank: 5:04

So, if you don't mind, can you? Can you tell us about yourself and and how you got started? I feel like I'm somewhat familiar. But for those of you, for those out there who aren't super mega fans like myself, Well, it depends on what point in time you want to.

Sara: 5:17

you want to say, got started. So I've been pretty much doing this right, whatever my living, in my intuition for like since I was born, right, since I was little. It's just that you know when, when we have children, the life does not become ours anymore, and so parts of myself just kind of like not necessarily forgot about the fact that I could do this. It just wasn't important, right, it wasn't the priority, one of things that was just trying to keep my kids alive, which was, which was nice. And then you know, flying on tuition that's kind of where you are, where you're just trying to stay awake and stay alive. You know where your kids are toddlers and like all these weird things are going on and you're trying to figure yourself out.

Sara: 5:55

And then you know I, my husband, actually kicked all of this off, so it wasn't really me. He reached out to an occult team to come out and investigate our house because we started having so many very unusual issues, to the point where my daughter, who's not a not she will openly be like, no, I don't want to deal with this stuff, like I'm not a sensitive person. She was having experiences that she couldn't deny Something's happening. We need to fix this, all right. So he reached out. You know, I thought it was extreme on my husband's part to be like we need to get, you know, some some form of ghost busters right and into our house and get this stuff. And you know, steven's team came in right. So it was at the time they were in a cult team and it was basically the whole same team from the podcast, right, it was before he even got married. So it was like one of those weird things that I met them like right when they were, you know, going to get married and stuff. So it was real fun.

Sara: 6:45

That's awesome and it was a blessing and a curse right, like that whole meeting. It was just kind of like oh, it's not your house, it's you, so thank you for your life out. Okay, thanks Bye. And so he left. You know, he left me with some information and a really good you know good contact, and Alexis has always been really great about you know sharing information and things and where I could go you know to. And then it just kind of kicked in and I went wait, wait, wait, wait. I had to go back to my family because I know that we all believe in this stuff. And then there's you know history of the things that we could do, you know, prior to us, right Generations before us. And then it just kicked everything off Right. Five years later, steven was like let's do this thing, tricked me Right, never say yes took up a coffee with Steven, apparently, yeah, there's always something to it.

Lauren: 7:34

So you, you, there were, you were experiencing things in your house and this team was like no, it's actually. You are attracting like spirits to you, like that's your.

Sara: 7:44

That's your, yeah, it's your fault. I was like oh okay, well, let me own that Right.

Lauren: 7:50

Thanks, was your husband like oh great.

Sara: 7:54

Sarah, he was just, you know he was, he was he's always been a big fan of the paranormal and the unexplained. You know, that's not something. That was which I think I got really lucky in, because when I talked to a lot of my the students that I have and people that have come to me, they come from places where they don't have that right, they don't have that support system, right, but either believe them or in hiding, or essentially right. Then we in the ghost protection programs, right. So we, you know, we together as a couple kind of just were like okay, this is a thing, right, like this is the thing that I've got to figure out how to do.

Sara: 8:24

And then it just kind of like clicked because he was like, you know, you do a lot of weird. You know, there are all the weird things that you do and there's a lot of weird things that he does too. Right, it's that I'm, you know, I'm aware of. I'm like, oh, he has this magic button that does stuff, and it was really just being able to put, you know, labels and names and understanding behind it. That kind of drove us forward, right. So it was, it's good that I had a partner that didn't think I was crazy.

Frank: 8:48

Yeah, I wish Lauren had that. Unfortunately, her partner feels like she's crazy.

Lauren: 8:58

It's true.

Frank: 8:59

If it's not too personal, like what kind of stuff was going on around your house.

Sara: 9:03

So my house is in the perfect space of weird thing that can weird things can happen in our house. So we're backed up against a creek. There's a creek behind our house. We've got like a. A lot of you know critters and things that kind of run around so we have a lot of nature stuff that's going in and it's a really strange close to a historically monumental part of our city. So when we first got the house there were already things that were happening. My husband was like, at the time we got it, I was overseas and I didn't even know what the house looked like. Right, he picked it out, so I was overseas and he was kind of moving us in and he said he, he was like I don't know, like the, I would come and nothing was fine, everything was fine, nothing was on and all of a sudden the burners in the kitchen would be like bright red, like the coils would be bright red.

Frank: 9:51

Oh my gosh.

Sara: 9:53

And he was like I don't. He would go and look and is there an electrical thing? Right, he's against a new house. They didn't tell us you know, we're you know something electrical? And nope, he would turn everything off. And it wasn't like the stoves that you can just like click it open, it was like push down, turn right. It was not a right. So he was like that's just odd. Yeah, it's really odd.

Sara: 10:14

And when I came, I showed up maybe a couple of weeks after they were moving in and was home alone because we miscommunications, right, and I got to the house before he did and I was like this is our house, this is really nice. And he's like just go in, you know, break in through the back, it's open, right, like that kind of stuff where we are. That's not it. I had to be like this is my house and so, you know, walking in, I could feel like I don't know how to explain it. I could feel the house Like I could feel the house asking who the fuck Like that was like yeah, oh, simba, I'm one of the other.

Sara: 10:56

You know, I'm married to the dude that's been running around here for the last two weeks, right, and I remember just kind of walking and almost knowing where others were in the home, like I wasn't there by myself and I just kind of was like okay, well, you know, I had to, kind of like I'm you want to show me around and I kind of really let myself be led through the house as I was just kind of discovering stuff and not really understanding why I was doing it. I just knew that I had to do it. So then, you know, we escalated a few years later and my son was in Healy's, if you guys remember that.

Sara: 11:29

Oh yeah, and the Healy's all around the garage floor, right, he was just having a wonderful time going around the circles and he goes whoa, it's kind of stops, and he's in the middle of the garage and we both run in because we thought maybe he fell or maybe he, you know, something fell on him or something. And he was like there was a little boy in here. And I was like what? Because he was a little boy in here, I swear, and you know he gave us this whole description. He's like five years old, right, Five years old. And I said well, I said okay, you know, whatever, you know it was, it's cool. And then come to find out that this little boy was very predominant in our house and I would see him very often, because I would always mistake him for either my son or a friend of my son, Right, like oh my gosh.

Sara: 12:13

But your friend went home right, Like that kind of stuff.

Sara: 12:15

And I was like what is going on? And he tended to, you know, loom and play in my son's bedroom, turn things on, turn things off, right Stuff like that. In the back when we first moved in there was there's a homestead like a larger homestead behind us and that lady passed away and she made it very clear that she was going to be roaming at a property. So sometimes when we would be sitting outside we would see her or I would say I would see her and go did you see that lady? I would tell my husband did you see this lady? No, I don't, I don't see. I'm like I'm telling you.

Sara: 12:48

And then as it kind of escalated, it escalated to like things just opening and closing on their own. You know, sometimes we would walk in kitchen cabinets, it all. It looked like somebody invisible would walk in open kitchen cabinets, close them Like they were cooking or something right. You could see the kind of progression of the things that were going on and it was like okay, and I think the straw that broke the camel's back when it was like really bad, I was sitting in the couch in the way that it's kind of set up.

Sara: 13:19

I can see from the living room. I can see it left kitchen and dining room and then I was watching TV, hanging out with one of our dogs he was sitting in my lap, you know, just kind of like chilling. And my husband turned the corner of the hallway, saw us both look up towards the kitchen door. The kitchen door open. We followed whatever it was that came in, the garage door opened, closed, and then we just went right back to watching TV. I was like, oh my God, I was like oh my God, oh my God.

Frank: 13:52

Yeah, don't mind me.

Sara: 13:53

Like I think we need to get some help.

Frank: 13:57

Oh my, God, that's wild so anything from you know.

Sara: 14:01

things moving around sounds doors opening, closing on their own electrical issues, I mean just like anything you name it it was probably having in the house was insane Wow.

Frank: 14:12

So once you started, like leaning into your abilities and trying to fire them back up again, well, what was that process like?

Sara: 14:20

That process sucked. Oh no, and it was because there are so many. You know, I'm gonna try to put it nicely because I'm part of the boat, right, like so I'm not part of that boat, but I'm part of some of the boat. There were so many people out there that are really in this to make money and they're not really in this to help you figure things out. So I needed a person that I could, you know, be like. Okay, have you ever experienced like this? And if you did, what is it like? And to explain it to me in terms that I would understand, not like. Let me give you these fancy terms, because maybe I paid you know $2 million at a fancy shit over, you know over in England. I don't know, but they come up with some bullshit right when you're in there, and it was really just that was. The hardest part is when I got to the point where I was exceeding the knowledge that I was meeting oh wow when I knew you don't know what the fuck you're talking about yeah.

Sara: 15:20

I need to go somewhere else and it was very, very difficult. You know, Alexis was very helpful. Alexis from City Alchemist, who's also on the podcast.

Frank: 15:28

Right.

Sara: 15:29

Extremely knowledgeable, him and Eric, and they were very helpful and kind of just like me, you know, maybe read these books or go through the stuff you know, because our practices are completely different. So he's he was really doing a wonderful job of trying to kind of keep me afloat and a lot of the knowledge and a lot of the old family things that I had to, you know, rehash my sister Anna, was our memory right of everything that was going on. So it was like, hey, do you remember when we used to do this? Do you remember why you know this was? So it was just kind of piece-mealing like everything together to know, okay, I know I can do that.

Sara: 16:03

Or you know, I'd get the fancy term, oh, can you do this thing, and I'd be like, okay, but what is it? Because if you can tell me what it is, I'm pretty much telling you I'm doing it, let me see if I can do it, or maybe I'm not doing it or I gotta practice it or something. And it was really a lot of doing that right, just kind of like pinpointing. You know different things and luckily, you know, the night I'll lead me to Elaine, right, elaine Iron, and it's my mentor now.

Sara: 16:26

She's freaking amazing. And she's been working, working in this institution. She was a kid right, so she has like over 60 years of experience and just doing all this stuff.

Frank: 16:38

Wow.

Sara: 16:39

And very plainly was like oh honey, this is what you're doing, right? Like she knew exactly what it was. And let me you know, connect you to this other person and let it go and do this other thing. And remember, let's read this book from like we ancient times would have never thought to read, right? Yeah, One of those kinds of things. And I was like, oh, I love this, right, Because she is older and came up in a frame where this was hidden, right, she could be physically harmed or murdered for doing what she did in her day and age right Something completely different, and so she was really a great help to really figuring out.

Sara: 17:14

She's like you're way more advanced than you think you are. You've got to just kind of like push and move and do the things Right. She was really encouraging me to try different things out just to kind of see where I was at, and I think it was because her ability to explain what was happening was very helpful in me growing and I was determined. You know, once I figured out I was determined. I was like nobody should be going through the shit that I went through for five, six years trying to figure shit out and throwing money away and doing stuff. Nobody to learn what your basic body is designed to do. Yeah, it's stupid.

Frank: 17:52

Yeah.

Sara: 17:52

It's just.

Lauren: 17:54

Wow, so it sounds like there was like quite a bit of gatekeeping with like people there is not wanting to like, help, just understand.

Sara: 18:04

They understood that some aspects of this is, you know, it's a business. And so the leaders, the leaders in a lot of these places that are, you know, public facing or business facing, the really good practitioners? You've never heard of them. Yeah, Never heard of them. They are hidden away. Some of them are more afraid of their ability than you are and and don't want, they don't care to learn more. They're like I'm dealing with the shit already.

Lauren: 18:32

Yeah, yeah.

Sara: 18:33

You know I'll help you up until what I know and then that's all I'm going to do. And they don't want to be out in the public because they don't want to have people. They don't want to put themselves in those places where they have to use their ability to get scared to them. Sure, and I get that it is. It can be scary when you know, when you don't have somebody to support you and you've gone years and years kind of piecemeal stuff together. So you know the really really good practitioners they're not somebody that you're really going to hear from or they're older practitioners that understand if somebody finds out what I can do, I could be harmed, or you know I can do a lot of things that I could hold against me. So it's, it's a really interesting industry. Yeah, if we're looking at it in form of an industry, but if you're looking at it in form of everybody's intuitive, the base knowledge of it should be something that should be openly shared.

Lauren: 19:22

It's just, you know, it's, it's dumb to keep those things in secret has your husband done any Development, like intuitive development or anything like through you like? Have you taught him anything?

Sara: 19:34

It took a little bit yes, really, we're married, you try this. It was like yeah, okay, whatever.

Lauren: 19:44

Oh, I know that very well. Yeah.

Frank: 19:47

I know that from.

Lauren: 19:51

Be quiet. Then someone tells me the same exact thing, like a few weeks later.

Frank: 19:57

I love when Lauren gets revelations from somebody else that I dropped on her like weeks prior.

Lauren: 20:01

It's fine.

Frank: 20:02

It's fine.

Sara: 20:06

It's part of the marriage. You know, develop the couple, development of this, you're fine.

Frank: 20:10

So and sorry, remind me your husband's name again Renee. Renee, that's right. So what is he kind of practicing?

Sara: 20:17

He's just, he really is just somebody that's managing his own ability. He just doesn't openly do anything. So if he's doing any kind of practices to help me, so I kind of you know selfishly, have trained him to help me Great walking battery power or my walking ball that nobody can go through right like. So it's just kind of fun. But his natural ability is it's connective, so he understands when the end of a connection is going to come. So he's very accurate and very scary yet telling you when someone's going to pass.

Lauren: 20:46

Oh.

Sara: 20:47

More he's in proximity of them. He's gonna be like that's no bueno right, so he's really all these things. His energy blocks other energy, which I am grateful for, sometimes in a protective fashion, because he's very protective by nature. So I think that just emanates out of him and he's fantastic at generating energy. So you know, he brings in energy that I can pull or connect to, to add on to my own, which is a fun thing that I think I was doing it before I even knew I was doing that to him.

Frank: 21:16

Poor guy. Do you just have him walking around with a like a bandolier of red bulls?

Sara: 21:21

Yeah, those little vials of holy water.

Frank: 21:27

So then, with your mindset of wanting, of believing that so much of this stuff should be a little bit more available, developmental, like resources, was that your impetus to start the metaphysical you?

Sara: 21:39

Yeah, so I started metaphysical you and it really is a place where you can come to To really get community and get learning, right it's. It is learning foundations, right? So my favorite thing is to learn the base of everything, right? Sometimes people will call it yellow and red, but the base foundation is green, right? So we just need to know what the green is and this allows the person to Truly understand how to develop and Then, later, when they when something peaks their interest like a specialization or something, then they can specialize and they understand they might have to throw some money at that, but they know exactly how to pick a practitioner that's not in it to just take their money.

Sara: 22:15

Right, that they really are going to be learning something and kind of moving forward. And I really put the onus on the student. It is their accountability to learn this, right it's. I can give you all the information that you need, but you have to put it into play. I can't practice for you, right? I can't. I can't do so. It really is just giving them that nice. You know how do you pick a practitioner, how do you start learning. You know clearing yourself, how do you start doing those things? What do you call it. What is this? You know what does it feel like? But in the terms of what does it actually feel like? Not just like somebody telling you oh, just push the energy, you're trying to, you can't just do that. And so it's giving them like good practical knowledge and kind of hand-holding them until they're really good to go I got this, I can move. And then you're reminding them, you know, when they get further along hey, don't forget about your foundations, right, don't forget, don't get into bad habits right.

Sara: 23:08

You know, as they grow and move into their specialization.

Frank: 23:12

Without giving away any, any trade secrets. What? What are the? Are there like basic foundations that everyone jumps into right away?

Sara: 23:19

There's no trade secrets, right? Trade secrets aren't really the things that I share, that I truly know that there's no other knowledge in it anywhere. That's my stuff, right? So you don't get those unless you're more advanced, sure, but a lot of the foundations, right? People who don't understand is that a lot of this Work starts with self, right, starts with us, and understanding that. Yeah, and I don't know how many times people are gonna record me saying this when somebody walks up to you and says I am an empath, you can respond by saying me too, and that guy and the guy over there and my dog, and Right, because anybody who has fight or flight is in path. Yeah, yeah, right, we're all, we're all in this together, right? So okay, let's buddy up.

Frank: 24:05

Yeah.

Sara: 24:06

The only difference is that in empath and the multiple empathy types that we have, when we have trauma or emotional things, or we get scared because we saw something when we were little or old or whatever, we hyper develop certain ones and we don't use the other ones right, we kind of shut ourselves off in certain areas, which is why some people can See spirits, like walking through the room, or some people just see them in their mind's eye, or some people can hear things and smell things, or, and some people can't, right, like there's. So there's these nuances that happen Because our empathy types are out of balance and these directly correlate with all of the clairs. So when somebody tells me I'm clairvoyant, I'm clear, you know sentient, I'm clear, blah, blah, blah. To me those are just senses, right, that's kind of stupid for you to say I'm clairvoyant because you're just telling me I can see. Yeah, me too.

Sara: 25:00

And it's really understanding that those are the senses that you use in the metaphysical space to receive information. And if you're, if you're too focused on one set, well, you're going to be hyper focused on one clear and not get the full picture of something that's coming in which causes fear. I see shadows, I see gray things, I see squiggly lines, I only feel stuff that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. This is because you're only using certain clairs in certain orders, right, I take on the emotions of other people and that this is. You're aware of it. You can't protect yourself from doing that.

Frank: 25:35

You have to be aware that makes sense because, sorry, when you have your elbows on the table. We really wondered you here today for just couples therapy. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about, but can you help us when Lauren puts her elbows?

Sara: 25:56

around, face each other, put your head, it's a thing. Yeah, it's called reconnect. Connecting what connecting with you write that down.

Frank: 26:06

Later.

Sara: 26:06

I'll give you more. I'll give you some more couples therapy, energy work.

Lauren: 26:15

Quit elbowing your wife.

Sara: 26:17

Elbowing. Yeah, and start with stop elbowing each other. I'm out.

Frank: 26:24

So so far, like from the people that we've spoken to, so a big part of our, our podcast, is we're trying to normalize this stuff. We've got a family member, she's six, she's getting into it. She doesn't necessarily want to, but she's got it and she can't turn it off.

Sara: 26:37

I love it. You can't turn it off.

Frank: 26:39

Yeah, so like we are trying to develop the Abilities to at least if even if we can't see what she sees just to be able to give her the tool set to Emotionally get through maybe the hard parts, seeing stuff when you're not used to seeing stuff. Apparently she sees spirits like what they look like when they're dead. So she's horrified of that. Initially one like again, from all the everything I learned from you, it's like they're just people. Give them boundaries, talk to them.

Sara: 27:04

She can also demand that they don't do that and and that's a thing to outdream- you can set a boundary and say you do not, I don't want to see you like that. I need to see you like when you were happy. Right she can demand that. Yeah, and she, you know.

Sara: 27:17

Just empower her to understand that she has the power to tell them to go away or not right now yeah and you know, stranger danger is a real thing with children in Any setting, right it in the metaphysical or in the regular physical world. So it's one of those. And don't you go anywhere with this barrier ever. Oh, you come get that's a new right.

Frank: 27:37

You can oh yeah.

Sara: 27:39

I'm suddenly scared yeah yeah, don't you go anywhere now, nowhere with them. In dreams or when you're awake, you stay where you are. You call for me? Oh yeah, I haven't heard that. Wrote that down.

Frank: 27:51

Yeah, the To your point that that you're saying earlier, the more mediums and and psychics we've spoken to, they are all very hesitant to label it, like you're saying, obviously, when you're talking to someone else, labeling it is kind of helpful. Oh yeah, like I'm clairvoyant and I can see spirits and all that stuff, but it all seems like those are all just one part of the whole yes and you're suggesting that if you're not privy to the other skills, that it's maybe a certain amount of fear towards something.

Sara: 28:18

Not necessarily fear, it is because you've survived on specific ones, more right. So to give you and like I'll give you the example I give my students all the time right, my favorite example, and you have eight empathy types that go together right. So you have your plant and animal right, you have your Geomantic, your psychometric, you have your telepathic, your P cognitive right and you have your emotional and your physical. If you think about Us humans without the concrete right, when we were hunting for our food, not adding like a grocery store, but like really, like we're hunting, and we didn't have cars and we didn't have automatic rifles and we didn't have any that stuff.

Sara: 28:57

We were like, we had to, like, do the thing. We relied on Everything to give us information. The earth would vibrate if you could feel something coming in a certain direction. You understood that some, there was a knowing for you to be able to reach out to somebody from miles and miles and miles away To tell them I'm okay, right, or they're still like, cool, I can feel them, right. You relied on the animals, the reactions, the way that they looked at you, to really understand what was happening. You relied on plants. You relied on understanding the world or the environment around you. To survive, you had to live, okay. So now we're here concrete buildings, all that good stuff.

Sara: 29:40

When you're younger, let's just say, you had a tormenter, right?

Sara: 29:43

Somebody that lived in your home that would torment you all the time, right, like, oh, whatever, whatever they tormented you with, you needed to know when that tormentor was triggered, when what emotion they were in, what physical body trait they wore, because that would tell you if you were safe or not safe, if you had to hide or leave or whatever it is.

Sara: 30:04

You had to understand this and you had to have it, understand it in so much of a fashion that you developed a system that if that tormentor was in a car two blocks away and turn the corner, you immediately knew they were coming. Do it, and you would just wait, could you reach out and feel what emotion they were in as they were approaching? And then, when you really understood what the emotion was and they drove up the driveway, you would peek out the window because physically, you could see their aura and understand exactly how it would validate what you were already feeling. You were experiencing this and you didn't have somebody telling you what was going on, you just knew. So you relied on those senses the understanding to feel the emotion at a distance, to feel the energy coming from somewhere else, to understand what your response had to be when you felt this energy coming to you fight or flight?

Frank: 30:57

Right.

Sara: 30:59

Wow, this is so, yeah, yeah. So empathy types when we kick them up, those correlate to clears right. Your emotional, physical will correlate to a specific either the buoyant you can see, the fresh in your head, and then you just, or you just know the information and like I know something's bad, I need to go. But we've been trained to not pay attention to that. Our society is actually designed in the opposition.

Lauren: 31:24

Yeah.

Sara: 31:25

Right, so we're designed. Oh, you're just crazy. Ah, it was just a trick of the like. Ah, you watched too much TV. We begin to dismiss things as we kind of get older and we stop trusting our intuition. But my favorite phrase is always something told I felt like I shouldn't have.

Frank: 31:42

Yeah, my favorite phrases. Yeah, I mean, the older I get, the more, or I've been more aware of my division personally, of how I get very like logical heady versus what I'm feeling and the two combat each other and I end up kind of like in a stalemate. I'm like, damn it. Well, the idea is to do both, yeah.

Sara: 32:02

Right, you don't want one or the other. You want a nice little balanced blend of two. You want to know when it's time to use your logic and when it's time to use your logic and when it's time to use your intuition. Or maybe you have to do a combination of the two, right?

Lauren: 32:14

The thing you were saying about, like in some cases, like trauma, your trauma, you can block certain feelings or whatever. That makes so much sense. I was just like hearing you talk about the tormentor thing and like that example is so interesting. I was just thinking about like any trauma I might have had as like a kid and how, because I have strong like feeling, empathy, or like you know, I say I'm an empath because I feel other people's emotions, but I'm like, oh, did I block other things out as a kid? You could have remember.

Sara: 32:52

Other things happen too, Like, let's say you know, you're thinking I have trauma when I was a kid, I don't have anything, why am I doing that? Well, the trauma can come not from a tormentor, but it can also come from a form of pressure. Yeah Right, so you know you're not going to be a good girl. Make sure you're always of service. There's always something that you have to do and therefore you've rewired your body to be consistently in give mode.

Lauren: 33:13

Yeah.

Sara: 33:15

And in order for you to give, you have to know when somebody needs something, and so you still kick that, kick that up. Well, they're not feeling good. I need to go do something. Oh, they physically something I know sometimes wrong with them. I don't know what it is, but let me figure out how to help them. You still created a hyper awareness versus balanced in everything.

Lauren: 33:35

Yeah. Wait have you are you talking anything?

Frank: 33:39

right now or have you met Lauren before?

Sara: 33:45

I will not confirm nor deny anything, yeah.

Lauren: 33:50

Like I'm just going to be thinking about this for a while, yeah. Because, that's so interesting Because you know, as we're trying to like, develop and pay attention to our own intuition and whatever abilities we might have had as kids, that we may be pushed away or ignored. Things keep coming up and we're like I keep going, oh.

Sara: 34:08

I need to heal. Right, don't focus on what you used to be able to do as a kid. You need to focus on what you can do now as an adult, because the awareness is different. Right, as kids, we pretty much accepted everything we saw. Yeah, we were always walking around in a state of amazement, but it's because we just came from, you know, a world that was different, and we're seeing this for the first time with a good pair of eyes, or that's like wow, everything is amazing. Then, over time, we get a little jaded. Yeah, right, it happens. We get a little jaded, and so we want to be in the awareness of who we are now and how we're experiencing things today.

Sara: 34:42

Right, so being in your intuition just means being aware at all times, being aware of you, your mood, how your body feels, what your, where your thoughts are, so that when something invades, you know that it's not you. You immediately pick it up and go oh wait, that's not me. And then you'd be aware of what's around you. Is it my co-worker, is it my driver in front of me? Where is this coming from? Because it's not mine.

Sara: 35:10

And if you just don't care where it's coming from, then just give it back to who. If you're like, give that shit back to me, right? Or if you want to be kind, right, throw it into the earth and just let it be flowers in Australia for a little bit, because I say that to all my students. I have a student named Lou that's in Australia. We send her flowers all the time, so right. So just go shoot it into the ground for them, give it away whatever, but don't take it onto yourself, right? You want to move from a sense of empathy, taking everything on, to a frame of sympathy? You're aware the feeling is there. You're understanding their pain, but you're not going to bring it onto yourself.

Lauren: 35:46

I've started saying these are not my emotions, which has like helped. Our daughter is empathic too and we started telling her that just because she takes on stuff from school and we're like those aren't yours, it's OK, but that's a big lesson. Put them back, put them into the earth.

Sara: 36:02

Yeah, give them back.

Frank: 36:03

How about that? How?

Sara: 36:05

about that. I love the little knowing looks you guys are giving each other, because it kind of sounds like the husband's going, you see, and the wife is going yeah, shut up. I know.

Frank: 36:16

It's also me just diverting from anybody doing that to me, so I'm striking first. I'm very Cobra Kai right now.

Lauren: 36:23

I feel like oh.

Frank: 36:23

I love it.

Lauren: 36:25

I feel like in this journey I've felt this pull to like heal, my like I guess I don't know inner child or my, the young form of myself, because I'm like, if I want to develop more, I feel like I need to heal even more. So I like started learning Reiki and stuff which can be like a really healing process. Is that something that is part of your teaching? No, that's it.

Sara: 36:52

Cool. I encourage you to go in and heal yourself and where you feel that is, that's where you go, right. So I make people look at it in two directions. First, I want you to outline fear. What are your fears? Right? Write everything down. Right, write everything down, yeah. So list your fears right. List them. This is my fear, this is my fear, this is my fear. And then walk away from it for a little bit.

Sara: 37:20

And then I want you to come back and look at your list and I want you to tell me is the fear real, using this thermometer? Have you experienced it? Or have you seen somebody experience it directly with your eyes? If you haven't, it's not a real fear. Cross it off your list, it's not a thing. Then, when you're looking at well, I mean, this one I haven't experienced, but I really, really scared me and I still want it there. Fine, I want you to list what your habit response is to that fear. What's the habit? Well, when I, I know, even just thinking of this, my response is already this right, whether your body responds or your brain responds or you know, you're already sure there is a response. There's something that you're doing.

Lauren: 38:05

Yeah.

Sara: 38:06

Then I want you to walk away, come back a little bit later, and then I want you to look at just one fear and I want you to tell me which one you want to work on. And then, right next to it, I want you to respond to what your response should be, and you do one at a time until you've addressed all of them. The idea is that we cannot change all at once and we can only change what we want to change. We can't change something by force. It's not going to happen and you're going to understand that. The fear, it never goes away. I'm fucking petrified.

Sara: 38:40

When Stephen would be like, hey, can you go fucking this weird ass girl, I'd be like no, especially because I didn't know where I was going. Right, give me some of the addresses and then meet me like I feel like I was doing like drug deals and like yeah, follow me. Right, like get in the car, yeah, it was just weird. And then you know, I feel myself coming up into the space and so I knew when I needed to have fear. Or him just simply telling me hey, we've got a case, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I know it scared him and I could feel the energy from that and go. Oh, this is going to be fucking horrific.

Lauren: 39:15

Yeah.

Sara: 39:16

Oh God. The idea, though, is to understand how to respond to it. You've got to first understand should I be afraid Is, and if I should be, what should my actual response be Like? Not just screaming, and you know, jumping on a counter, like I do when I see a cockroach, but you know having a more logical response to it, right? So this is where your logic and your intuition kind of come into play, because you logically have to wait until you really have to respond, not react. Right, you're responding, not reacting, and so you train yourself in the response, so that way, when the fear does come up again, you apply what you've trained.

Frank: 39:54

Would you say. It's almost like accepting your like vulnerabilities and then, like you said, just training for them instead of trying to be stronger than them.

Sara: 40:04

Yeah, Essentially that's what you're doing.

Frank: 40:07

All right, let's hang up. Let's say, I figured it out.

Sara: 40:08

Right. So here's one right. And confidence is the other right the confidence. When you're saying you know, using that same term, you're using the confidence. The confidence is the key to being protected. That and belief systems, right.

Sara: 40:22

So when you're looking at confidence, you're looking at the thing that you tell yourself that you're a bad person for that. You don't want anybody else to know. Right, you're like, oh, if they knew that. I was like that, that's my closet secret and you beat yourself up about it. Right, you tell yourself, man, you're such a horrible person because you do this, or you're such a terrible person because you like this, or you're just a blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, you start beating the crap out of yourself and your brain.

Sara: 40:52

Yeah, so the idea is to identify that same skeleton. Right, you identify it. Do the same thing. List that sucker out, right, list it out.

Sara: 41:02

Then I want you to realistically look at it and the things that you can't control, like, for example, right, frank, right, like the smell of sticky toes, right, what she's good. Read your mind. I told you, read your mind. You can't change that. That's just a scent that you find pleasing. You can't change that about you. Right. There's nothing you can do about that. Are you going to walk around telling everybody that you like the smell? Maybe not, right? Maybe that stinky toe smells. You're not going to be like I love it. Wear the t-shirt right. Announce it on your social media. No, no, no, You're probably not going to do that. But it is not something that you can change because you just find it pleasant. That's just normal wiring, that's just you, right.

Sara: 41:45

But if there's something that you actually have an option to do, like you know, I'm a little bit of a dick at the grocery store all the time, right, you don't like that about yourself, and then you beat up on yourself because you're like I am a good, you know, belief system person, except when I'm at the grocery store and I'm the guy that cuts me off this grocery cart, I don't know whatever it is. So that is something that you might go okay. Well, I really could change that. I do have the option of not doing that. Let me work on that habit. The reason why we work on the confidence and the fear is because if you are going to have an entity that is a little bit of a dick, right, a little bit of a negative. They're going to attack those things first, to get in your body, to get in your brain, to get in your mind. They're going to mask themselves as you, because you can't tell the difference between them and you.

Frank: 42:33

And they're going to tell you.

Sara: 42:35

They're going to tell you the same things that you do. They're going to go oh, they beat the shit out of themselves in their brain I can do better than that and they're going to start humbling you down that trail and you're going to be so dumb you're going to fall for it because you don't know the difference between your phrasing and the phrasing of something else, and you're just going to fall right in.

Lauren: 42:57

This would be like a spirit with a bad intention or just like someone who's kind of rude and knows how to.

Sara: 43:04

It could be a spirit that just understands that energy. Right, you might be. Let's say, you had a sudden loss in family and you're starting to beat yourself up about I shoulda, coulda, woulda done these things. And I'm a terrible human and I'm grieving and I'm sad and I'm hurting and I'm in pain. And this entity is floating by going hey, I recognize that shit, I'm going to go tag along. And every time you say I'm grieving, I'm such a terrible person, I should have, they're going to be like yeah, you should have, you should have done more, you could have done this, you could have. Oh, that's true, I could have done that.

Sara: 43:35

Right, your mind is now completely ensnared. And then he's like this is off. Man, frank is the best. Hey you, hey, dude, come over here. This guy, perfect for us. And then they invite somebody else to jump in. Wait, what's in it for them here? The feeling, the emotion. These are entities that want to stay in that vibration. They want that. That's what they want. They want you to give them back the vibration of feeling. That way, they're justifying how they can stay here through you.

Frank: 44:08

I need to meditate more.

Lauren: 44:09

There's no hair. Raise our vibrations more.

Frank: 44:14

So is that like what are your? What are your antidotes to that? Aside from listing things out and like getting your, your logical mind on top of like your own?

Sara: 44:23

antidote is to understand your way, know yourself.

Lauren: 44:27

Yeah.

Sara: 44:28

Know yourself and, for God's sakes, get a belief system Right. It doesn't have to be mine, it has to be yours and you have to believe it and you have to understand why. Right, very, very simply. Looking at my desk Okay, here's this. Like here we go. I can tell you this is a holy tape measure. This is the holiest tape measure you can draw, draw it open, lay it on the ground and nothing can cross this tape measure, because it is protected.

Frank: 44:53

Got it, so it's. It's your like buying into that system? That is what is going to make it work.

Sara: 44:58

That's exactly what it's going to do.

Frank: 45:00

Do you? Here's the fun part.

Sara: 45:01

If you help someone else, if you just help somebody else, you know you're helping your wife and she's having issues with her belief system. But she's got a partial system. You have to understand what her partial system is because you need her to buy in also.

Frank: 45:12

I think you and I are pretty aligned with that stuff but I would. I would probably describe it as partial. I'm a post Catholic, so I've done a lot of dismantling and not a lot of remantling in any kind of way. There are, I have gaps where, personally, I could use a little bit of help getting through some of that stuff and maybe that's is that what we're doing? Is that what we're doing? This Congratulations? Yes. You've won the million dollar question. Thanks, sarah, I need a better belief system. You're dismantling.

Sara: 45:44

you're dismantling the thing that doesn't fit right, which makes sense. You know Catholicism didn't fit me. Yeah, so many stories about that, but we're not going to get into that one Trust me, trust me.

Frank: 45:53

That's a whole other podcast. I'd love to do it one day.

Sara: 45:56

That is a whole podcast series. So we have to understand where we lie and things that make sense to us. Right it individually? Right? A belief is a belief.

Sara: 46:06

You, you, you want to believe certain things, but you have to understand why you're believing them, right? You have to be able to almost explain it to someone else when they ask you, hey, what is your belief system like? And explain it in such a way where you don't care if they understand it. Right, I just don't care. Yeah, like, oh, yeah, well, that's, you know, it's just what works for me. That might not work for you and that's, and that's perfectly fine. But in in practice, as practitioners like me, where I help other people, I need to understand what they believe, because they are designing that for themselves. And I need to understand it so that when I'm trying to help them, let's say, maybe I'm trying to help them, do a healing, or I'm trying to help them, um, maybe what they believe is an attachment. Need to move that attachment away. I need them to understand how much power they have in that belief and combine it with mine to make it happen.

Lauren: 47:00

Do you, do you just like walk around and you can like tell, like, especially with kids, is there like, oh, that kid is a son to that kid.

Sara: 47:09

It's can't hide because they are so close to the light, you can't. But I can tell you when a kid is being abused, because the light will dim Like that is an immediate thing that I can tell. And so it's. It's one of those things where you're like, hmm, what's happened over there? At that base, you can. You can immediately tell when that something is wrong, because the light will dim Like it won't be as bright. They won't trust, um, that connection because of what's happening to them.

Lauren: 47:36

Oh, man, you've, you've like I don't know. That's a lot to like, see or like uh experience for you.

Sara: 47:45

Just like I don't know. Uh, to me it's just, it's just, it's normal.

Lauren: 47:49

Right.

Sara: 47:50

I've been able to. That was little. So it's not like a, it's not an unusual thing for me, it's just kind of go, oh, I can just tell, and you know, maybe I'll send a guy or send to something, but it because I can't be walking up to people I don't know. I'd be like, hey, why are you going around with this? So instead I just like send my dudes, go help that one a little bit, or, you know, move for them or connect them, or reconnect them so that they can keep safe.

Frank: 48:15

Yeah, so I was going to ask you, but it seems like maybe you're so accustomed to this stuff for for people who have the level of ability that you do like, how do you, when you see something that can be somewhat disturbing, how do you maintain like a healthy mental outlook on stuff? What do you do to stay sane?

Sara: 48:32

Everything in in that, in our environment, is mentally disturbing. So it's not like there is no rhyme or reason for it. You know, there's a lot of things that happen that we can't. We as you know, people that are intuitive cannot really get involved in some things, because it is something that the person has to either learn or experience and it's part of the growth of what they're doing, not just the the person who's being victimized, but also the person who's victimizing right. There's also something that's kind of going on in that, in that era. So there's there's things that do come to us directly that we can assist with right, and we're kind of bound to do so. We're kind of like, oh, this has showed up, I'm just going to have to really handle it, and there are some things that we we don't right, that we don't, that. We just kind of go that sucks, that's just what they got to learn.

Lauren: 49:24

Oh yeah, that's crazy.

Sara: 49:26

And interfere with it. Yeah, we can only interfere with what's brought to us, that we're supposed to be interfering with?

Lauren: 49:32

Yeah, are you. I always ask people this because I think it's so, it's. It's interesting to me, like are you constantly bombarded or do you have an off switch?

Sara: 49:43

There's no off and there's a partition. Right there's a. Hey, stand over there and don't bother me until two. Okay, Okay, yeah.

Lauren: 49:52

Like so walking through a crowded space, I have to be well prepared for it.

Sara: 49:57

Yes, very well prepared for it. So I found myself as a as an older person, right Getting a little older. Um, I typically don't do big crowded things, yeah.

Frank: 50:07

I was going to ask you what? What is your most challenging environment?

Sara: 50:11

Uh, like concerts or things that you know. You know we're in off Boston, so like that people come out and droves in right. Right that have like big open spaces and even then, um, it's still hard, right. So it's just depending on where we are and how badly I want to be, uh kind of thing. So it just, it just depends on the setting. But I'm I try to avoid really bad crowded places as much as humanly possible. Right, covid was a nice little blessing for me.

Sara: 50:43

After there's all this, just deliver it to your house. Fantastic. I have to fight all those people at the Target and at the Walmart.

Lauren: 50:50

The physical people and all the spirits.

Sara: 50:52

Yeah, Kind of kind of nice. It's kind of nice.

Frank: 50:56

Yeah. What is more overwhelming, though, is it is it the? Is it what's going on with the living, or the, the number of spirits that are just around all the time?

Sara: 51:04

It's more what's going on with the living Spirits are more, um, the rules are more defined. Okay, I guess, if that's what it is. So when we build a boundary with the spirit, the boundaries built, they respect it. Uh, if we mean it right, we have to mean the boundary. If, if we know, you know it's going to walk all over us, but if, uh, we build a boundary with a human, even if we mean it, the human's still going to push it. Right, that's that's we're designed to do, that. If not, we wouldn't be innovative, right? We're creative, or any of that stuff we're designed to kind of like is it a really rural? Right? That's what we're designed to do. So, humans for me, uh, one-on-one or in couples love it, but crowds of humans, that's something I don't do well, nor do I have a good response for yeah, so, um, you know, I'll always tell somebody I'm a little bit of an asshole, right? I'm not a nice person all the time, so you've got to find me at the right time.

Frank: 51:59

No, I like that's going to be my excuse from now on. I needed a good one, and this is it.

Sara: 52:07

Take it, take it.

Frank: 52:08

So you said you have a good like support group. Um, your husband being one of them, what can people around you do to be more supportive of your, what your maybe experiencing that they're not? That comprises a good support group.

Sara: 52:21

I think it depends on the situation. Yeah, I need to have people who really, really know me, that are around me, understand that I'm not on all the time. It's not a thing for me to like want to willingly be chipper and happy. I really like to just be very calm and quiet, like that's just kind of like it is. A lot of people are like always surprised when they come to the house and it's like wow, it's really quiet in here. Oh my God, I don't like how it's like. I'm just very one of those just super chill, yeah. But I have my moments, right, I have my moments where I want to go do stuff and see people and be around people, but they have to be specific, kind of like it has to be something that we chose to want to do.

Lauren: 53:04

Are there people or friends or family that seek like a sudden reading or anything? Do you feel like, well, I'm not doing, I don't feel like that right now, or does everyone respect that?

Sara: 53:17

Pretty much my family on all sides like I want to say on all sides, because I have a very complex family history so my family on all sides are all intuitive in some form or fashion. So we really we don't do that unless, like, we seek advice in certain things but we don't necessarily tell the other person I'm getting it from a spirit, right, I'm talking to your guides. Yeah, we just don't do that. We just kind of know and talk to each other about stuff like that. So it's very rare. But I've had a few cousins or some certain friends that are like just I practice on them, right, I was practicing on them when I was learning. Or sometimes I'm just like, hey, do you want one, why not? Just like sure, why not? Right, like they just let me do stuff. So they've been pretty good about that. But most of my family members have a form of intuition that we just know that it's there and we don't necessarily seek it out.

Lauren: 54:08

Wow, ok. So when you were a kid, it was just like, oh yeah, like just join the club, sarah.

Sara: 54:15

It was very, very normal.

Lauren: 54:16

Yeah, wow.

Sara: 54:17

You know, even though their belief systems again was towards the Catholicism and all that, because I grew up in a Hispanic household, we also believe in the kukui and the gunahenderaz and the like, the solvaloraz, all that stuff. But you know, we believed in all of that, so it was just normal.

Lauren: 54:32

I feel like you're concocting.

Frank: 54:35

I'm just making sure I got it Frank always has like his little tiny notebook, a reporter's notebook here.

Sara: 54:40

I've got the same thing All of my post-it notes notebooks.

Frank: 54:46

I we pull tarot on occasion and I have like a couple of cards up here just as reminders and just so I don't forget what I pulled them in reference to. I have little posts. It's the perfect combination of like I used to work in cubicles but also I like tarot. It's. It's kind of embarrassing.

Sara: 55:01

I love it. That's awesome. You need to like a little meme up or something. That's fantastic.

Lauren: 55:06

Yeah, yeah, that is really funny.

Frank: 55:09

What's the best way to contact your spirit guides, because that's something that I've been trying to do and I just can't. I'm not doing a good job yet. I know there's a lot of work I can do with some of the more basic stuff, but there's not a best there's.

Sara: 55:22

you know there's a way you got to figure it out for you. But tell me what you've been trying. That's going to be probably the starting point. What have you been doing?

Frank: 55:29

We've. I'm trying to. Well, I haven't been doing very good lately, but for a while I was just trying to speak out loud to them on a daily basis, as if they're just there, and give them full permission to intervene and contact me in any way I can.

Lauren: 55:42

I can be contacted or perceive them Like we've said like oh, you can show me a sign that you're around.

Frank: 55:50

Yeah.

Lauren: 55:51

We each had like a little like thing, like I had like a. As soon as I said that I had a grasshopper jump on my windshield Like as I was driving and that's never happened before, and I was like OK, I hear you, you're here, but and then you had like a butterfly, like yeah, I had something similar, like a butterfly kind of cut me off from even finishing the sentence, which was interesting.

Frank: 56:12

But you know I'd love them. I'd love a deeper dialogue at some point or something that's a little more tangible.

Sara: 56:17

I think your approach is the problem.

Frank: 56:19

Right, I think you're probably right.

Sara: 56:21

It's, it's, it's a. It's a lot of dance, monkey dance versus. I know you're there, let's have a conversation.

Lauren: 56:28

OK.

Sara: 56:29

Making time for the conversation, right? So you know there's a, there's a meditation I tell my students to do. It's called bathing in light. It's one of the foundational meditations that we teach and this is kind of a foundational meditation that's pretty much taught everywhere, right? So I just gave it a, gave it a name, but it's other people know it by different names.

Sara: 56:48

So the idea is to connect with source. Whatever your, the source of yourself is Right. So in my instance, I will sit and, ok, it's a little morbid on me, right, like the poltergeist lampshade. You know from the sign. You know the little lampshade is in the street, ok, so I like, I like being under that. So I'll put myself under that lampshade and then just kind of sit there in that nice little amber, low glow, and then I will begin to heat the light, make it brighter, see it in my mind's eye as literally my source, just light coming over my body. It'll go over my body, underneath my feet, and I'm encapsulated in that cone of light with just me in my source. I give it a color, I give it a scent. I understand when it starts to move over my body and all the shadows from everywhere, inside my nose, inside my ears, everything gets pummeled in light, and then I just surrounded myself in there. In that space, it's just me and source. Nothing else can get in there unless I ask it to.

Sara: 57:53

After doing this for a few weeks, right, I will now move over and ask my guide to join me. Join me in this light. Together we're going to sit and I want you to just sit with the guide. Have them enjoy the light with you so that you understand what the energy signature of them is, so that you know when they show up. It will show up in the same energy signature every time. You'll know it's them, you'll feel it's them and then eventually you'll start getting images in your mind's eye. You'll start knowing when they kind of sit and are there. They'll maybe show you the butterfly that they showed you before, just so that you know that it's them.

Sara: 58:29

The idea is to begin to get used to knowing when they're there, and then you begin to ask questions how do we know each other? And sometimes the image in the gray space just outside that light will begin to kind of form like a movie that's going by, right? So just watch the movie and the movie might be significant. Don't narrate the movie. Don't be like oh, I see a house, oh, I see a thing. Don't narrate.

Sara: 58:58

Let the things kind of go by, because the question was how do I know you? How do we know each other? What did you use to do? You're beginning to form a relationship, right. How are you and source connected? How did this happen? Allow the things to kind of just move, but you have to allow them to respond and sometimes they'll respond immediately, and sometimes it takes a few days to respond and it'll be in your dreams. It'll be in like a repetitive thing. That kind of happens for a few days. Right Like, what's your name? And you keep hearing the word like Frankensteiner and that maybe their name was Frankenstein. Right Like, or whatever it is.

Frank: 59:33

I hope so.

Sara: 59:35

Or Einstein, I mean whatever Right. So it's really just allowing. But you have to allow and stop getting into the dance, mucky dance and prove that you're there, because you're beyond that.

Lauren: 59:45

Yeah.

Sara: 59:46

You're already beyond proving. Now it's let's build the relationship. Let's really talk to the guide. Let's begin to trust it. Speaking out loud is beautiful. I do it to my guides. All the time People walk up to me and look at me like what is this lady doing Talking about the story? What should you get today? I don't know. Right, I'm talking in the air. I do it a lot so that you're able to just kind of do that. But you've got to give give time for that guide to respond because, remember, you're not as responsive either If they've been trying to talk to you and you just ignore it. They've got to try to figure out how to get you the information.

Frank: 1:00:21

Yeah, I mean that's part of it too. Sometimes they slap in the face of it, I get a lot of guilt from, like trying doing the dance monkey dance thing and then I'm like, okay, it's not working right now, I got to go do something else and stop listening. I feel really bad about that. I'm trying to find out. I love this maybe not the context but the poltergeist light, but I do like I love that, that idea of being. That's just the way I see it, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Sara: 1:00:44

Yeah, People like candles and they bring the light of the candle over their bodies and people just immediately understand it as a shield, and so it just depends on how you kind of understand how to sit in that protected space and just circle the energy back and forth and then making room and allowing that guy to be with you.

Sara: 1:01:03

Set an intention in your hobbies. It's a form of meditation. The hobby that you're in, or the weird stuff that you like to do, where you're like immersed in it, puts you in a meditative state. So set an intention in it and be like hey, I'm about to sit down and glue crafts together. Why don't you come and join me and then just kind of immerse yourself in that and kind of make note of the things that might pop, the thoughts that might pop up in your head, right, and after you're done, right, then write them down and then look at them later, right, sometimes those things will happen, but you have to allow for it to happen, which is difficult when you have, you know, small children.

Lauren: 1:01:41

Yeah.

Frank: 1:01:42

It is. But like that's the, I guess that's the shower thoughts thing though.

Lauren: 1:01:47

Yeah.

Frank: 1:01:48

Both of us. We get like. I was in the shower and I just had this idea. This popped in my head Like almost Beautiful, almost guaranteed. That's like just being in the zone.

Lauren: 1:01:56

Yeah, I'm having the showers.

Sara: 1:01:58

The only time you guys have to relax and you're alone. Yeah, really though.

Lauren: 1:02:04

I literally have to like wake up before the kids to give myself the time to try meditating. I say try. I'm still working on like quieting, I'm still working on the practice of meditating.

Sara: 1:02:16

No, no, the moment you said the word quiet, I'm going to tell you that is not not how it works. Okay, meditation happens only to clear your mind and allow yourself to receive. That's what meditation does, right, yeah, you can clear your mind while you're actively doing something. It doesn't have to be quiet, okay, and you're zoned out. When you're watching TV, you're not really watching the show, your mind is just kind of somewhere else. Yes, right, so it's not quiet. The things are kind of moving, or people who like to listen to music, and it gets them into a particular zone. They're in meditation. It's just applying an intention to it. Hey, why don't you sit here and join me while I'm? While I'm, you know, listening to music or dancing or getting in?

Lauren: 1:03:00

Yeah.

Sara: 1:03:01

It doesn't have to be sitting cross leg floating in the air in the quiet for hours and a time Like that's just bullshit yeah.

Lauren: 1:03:08

Work. Okay, thank you for that.

Frank: 1:03:11

I think that's a missing piece of this puzzle for us. Yeah, for you, definitely.

Lauren: 1:03:15

It is. I always feel like I have to. There are times when, like I go take a walk and I don't have music on or just I'm like let me just like look around and it's almost like a walking meditation. So maybe even doing that, I can imagine a light shield Flow state man, I think that's it yeah.

Sara: 1:03:38

Yeah.

Frank: 1:03:39

Whatever gets you in that zone.

Sara: 1:03:41

I can bring the light right over you, right over you, and then just walk. Yeah, okay, I like that. I like the star wars. See the lightsaber, just turn on oh.

Lauren: 1:03:48

I like that.

Sara: 1:03:49

Yeah, just start walking.

Lauren: 1:03:53

I like that, that's great, okay, that helps so much yeah.

Frank: 1:03:57

What do you think from your perspective and what we've described to you and what we're about? What do you think our next steps should be to developing our skills or getting to a place where we can help our family member be more comfortable with her abilities?

Sara: 1:04:13

I think it's time to understand the steps, especially the things like meditation. Right, there's so many ways for them to kind of channel what's happening to them, to kind of quiet out and shake out the noise, right, so they're going to need something like a way to get rid of the energy when they collect it because they're so young, they're going to absorb everything that's kind of coming in, right, it's just kind of like a curse and a blessing of being young, right, you start absorbing everything comes in. So it's understanding how to get them to shake out that stuff that doesn't belong to them and have a developed way of almost teaching them how to do that. As a way to lean on that response, to identify when things you're doing good, because you're saying, identify things that aren't yours, right, an energy that isn't yours. Once you identify it's not yours, then now you have to push it away, right, you have to return it to the person or you have to put it into the ground and you have to take it out of your body. And then giving them things when they transition into stuff, giving them a way to just breathe in that source. They have to begin to start understanding what that source is for them. What is it? Understanding what that is, so they can understand how to bring in that light, move them into nature, right. Move them into that space.

Sara: 1:05:32

And developing systems or release of emotion all the time right. Therapy is great at bringing shit up, but they're not good at telling you how to let that shit go right. So, understanding how to develop that system of release, how do we let it go, what works for you, what doesn't work for you, and believing them, believing them, believing them. There is nothing more important than believing them and believing them in a healthy way of even saying can you describe what you experienced it? Can you draw it out? Did it say something? Was it a color? Trying to get them to see as much detail of what's going on and then empowering them to understand that they are in control. Here's the boundary. I'm not following you. Call in mom, call in dad when they feel in danger, when they're sleeping, right?

Sara: 1:06:20

I taught that to my son at an early age because he had a lot of night terrors and I would tell him just call me, I will come into your dream and I'll take care of that shit. And he did it often to where we would wake up and he would tell me about his dream and I knew we had the same dream. I knew we were both together and he still does it now as an adult. Sometimes we're in the same dream scape together. So it's teaching how to do that, how to calm that energy in the space. Right, my daughter blocks everything out. She completely calms the energy in the space. She took it, you know, above and beyond. That's just turn it down, right. Probably the best thing I've ever had is you snuggled up next to her. It's all quiet right. Now my grandson's doing the same thing, right, my grandson is now exhibiting a lot of this light and seeing a lot of things and I'm like, just believe him, believe him, tell him to draw it out, tell him if there's, you know, something that's going on and she's like you know, sometimes he sounds like he's making up stories.

Sara: 1:07:17

I said it could be memories, it could be things that are coming in from something else. Don't completely dismiss it, but tell them this is not something that's in our reality here, right, it's not something that's here in the house or that's not something that's going on now. Why is that important? So kind of understanding the difference between what we think it's imagination. Right, we could be their imagination. You know they could be just really good at telling stories or they could be remembering something or picking something up from someone else, right, yeah, just kind of working through it and going, okay, is that part of our reality? Is that something that is here, you know, part of our everyday? Is that really something that's tied to you? Does it belong to you? Asking those questions is important.

Frank: 1:07:58

Yeah.

Sara: 1:07:59

Right, making sure that they don't walk around thinking that they're crazy, but understanding that this is just normal.

Frank: 1:08:03

That's awesome, Sarah, thank you so much. Give all your plugs so like I know you have your own podcast as well and tell us about Metaphysical you we do.

Sara: 1:08:10

We just launched our podcast in October. My partner, ag Sanchez, and I narrate through a lot of weird things with some of the practitioners from Metaphysical you Didi Hawke and Jack Swolf are just a great segment from it. We're trying to make the paranormal normal right. So if you have some time, you know, listen to MP Unleashed. We're on all the things, right. The Spotify is the podcast. Things are on all the things and here, what it's like to be part of this world from the perspective of a medium and a psychic and an energy worker. Right, we go and look at these places, not from proving that something is there, just to find out what it is. What is it, what is it really? Yeah, and how does that impact something else? And maybe, you know, do a little bit of myth-busting of what's going on out there. Oh, cool, that's fantastic. And definitely, if you want training, if you're wanting to start, we have another round of our Foundations, one classes starting in March and that's really the at the core of who we are at Metaphysical you, those are the classes that you want to take. And if you're somebody who's like I don't want to come into, like, doing something like that, but I do have a lot of questions and a lot of things.

Sara: 1:09:19

Join our Wednesday night development groups. We have an open to the public development group every Wednesday at 8 pm Central Standard Time. The link is on our website. You just click and join us. It's just open, right, it's just there and we do challenges or we have really great discussions. We have practitioners from all over the world, like I literally say all over the world. Right, we'll join us. You know, here and there, and if you have time and you remember hey, it's Wednesday night, I think I'm going to go join that online development group. I got a list of things I want to ask. Join us. We have people from very, very beginners, people who just want to learn, for people that have been seasoned practitioners for many, many years Just chatting, right, chatting and doing stuff.

Frank: 1:10:01

That's so cool.

Sara: 1:10:03

That's been on my that's been on my.

Lauren: 1:10:04

T-doos for months, yeah.

Frank: 1:10:06

I follow you on Instagram and stuff. I've been wanting to join that.

Sara: 1:10:09

Join us, join us. It's so fun See.

Frank: 1:10:12

Yeah, I'm going to consider that a personal invite. Yes, I mean making paranormal normals. Definitely that's in our lexicon here. That's kind of what we're trying to do too.

Lauren: 1:10:23

Yeah.

Frank: 1:10:23

So I love it so much, so I'm definitely going to be joining that on Wednesday.

Sara: 1:10:27

You can always join us at metaphysicalyoulitteryoucom.

Frank: 1:10:31

Awesome. Thank you so much, Sarah. You've been an absolute pleasure to talk to no trouble, we'll talk soon.

Sara: 1:10:35

No problem Bye-bye.

Lauren: 1:10:37

Bye.

Frank: 1:10:45

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