Clairvoyaging

015: Meet Gwen // Psychic Kids Setting Boundaries

Clairvoyaging Season 1 Episode 15

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Our latest episode invites you on a journey through 6-year-old Gwen's world. Over the last year, our niece Gwen has been experiencing some psychic events, so she and her parents have been on a quest to make her feel more comfortable with her experiences and her gifts.

The conversation shifts to the nuances of Gwen's spiritual encounters, providing an insightful look into her developing psyche. With each anecdote, she enlivens the discussion—from the sobering premonition of a school employee's loss to the challenge of sleeping alone. Gwen articulates her experiences with an honesty that's both refreshing and also pure 6-year old chaos.

Gwen's charisma shines through, leaving us enamored with her spirit and strength. Her balance of the extraordinary with the everyday invites us to view the world with a dash of wonder and a greater appreciation for the unknown. Join us for this heartfelt episode, and perhaps you'll walk away with a new perspective on the incredible gifts that children, like Gwen, can share with the world.

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Lauren

Way Feather Media presents Claire Voyaging what's up?

Frank

Hey, hey.

Gwen

Welcome back to another fantastic episode of Claire Voyaging, where every intro is better than the last. We know exactly what we're talking about today. I'm here with my wife, lauren. How are you doing, lauren?

Lauren

I'm so good. Thank you so much.

Gwen

My mouth filled with spit when I did that.

Lauren

Congratulations.

Gwen

We're not meant for the radio.

Lauren

You know what we did it? We did three weddings in a row. We're sorry, we took last week off. We got weddings to go to Frankie's brother. Dan got married.

Gwen

Big Dan got married.

Lauren

Yeah, congrats to Dan and Raquel.

Gwen

Congrats to Dan and Raquel and every family member involved. Yeah, it was amazing. We had a great time.

Lauren

Yeah, so quick update, Frankie. We'd like to thank our newest supporter on Buy Me a Coffee, wouldn't we?

Gwen

We would. Who is it?

Lauren

Bonesamagra bought us some coffees.

Gwen

Bonesamagra.

Lauren

Okay, you know I'm starting to think. You listeners are making up names and I'm here for it.

Gwen

Bonesamagra I like it. Do you know that's a reference to? No, it's from Spider-Man. It's from the Sam Raimi Spider-Man, the first one. Oh, with Toby McGuire, bonesaw, bonesamagra, bonesaws, ready. You don't remember that?

Lauren

Every origin story for Spider-Man has been different, so Nah, that one's like the classic one. Okay.

Gwen

Hey Lauren.

Lauren

Hey.

Gwen

Any announcements.

Lauren

Yeah, I just want to say we've appreciated the support and the love we've gotten for this podcast and if you could share it with your friends, sweet listener, or write a review on whatever podcast platform you're listening on, that helps us grow and we would really appreciate that. So thanks in advance.

Gwen

Yeah, you should tell everybody about what you did today.

Lauren

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I started taking in-person clients for Reiki. I started practicing out of an acupuncture clinic in Westlake called Aim Wellness Center, and they specialize a lot in women's health reproductive health, fertility, that kind of thing, but just kind of general acupuncture too. So I'm going to be their Reiki practitioner over there. I just booked my first session today.

Gwen

I mean that's super sweet. It's in two weeks. There we go. I'll toss everybody your website real quick, just in case Lauren's offering distance Reiki too. So if you want to and you know we're going to have some. Oh, I had an idea. We should drop a clear voyaging like a coupon code or something. Special for clear voyaging yeah, for listeners, yeah, okay, let's do that next time. Next time, keep an ear out.

Lauren

Go to hellolaurenleoncom and you can book a distance Reiki session with me, half hour hour. Whatever you're feeling, let's do a session. People listeners.

Gwen

So, lauren, what's this week's?

Lauren

episode about. Well, we have a special guest this week, frank, and I thought that we should hear from our sweet niece Gwen. We brought her in for questioning, questioning yeah, it did feel a little interrogating. No, I'm just kidding.

Gwen

Gwen is six.

Lauren

Yeah. So just to recap the story of Gwen who has a fake name, by the way, so that we can protect her identity she had a big year in 2023. She experienced some psychic events which you will hear about straight from the source, and she and her parents have been on a quest to help make her feel more comfortable with her experiences and her gifts. And she's also inspired Frank and me to start this podcast, because we wanted to learn more about what she might be experiencing. She wasn't really talking about what she was feeling at first, but now that she's been working through it and learning about boundaries and facing her fears, she's more confident and willing to chat, but she's six, so we got what we could out of her, and it went off the rails a few times.

Gwen

It went off the rails a few times.

Lauren

I'm editing Her feeling as six year old is really funny.

Gwen

You put a fancy microphone in front of a six year old and you know what you're going to get. And she did a good job. She did, but you know it got weird at a couple of points. So I edited a lot of the weird out, but just for funsies I left a lot of the weird in.

Lauren

Yeah, did you keep in any of her? Can you delete that part?

Gwen

No, I don't remember. She knew when she was being weird and she was requesting during the interview. She was requesting that I edit some of it out.

Lauren

Yeah, it was very sweet it was. Anyway, please enjoy little Gwen and her story.

Gwen

Hi Gwen.

Frank

Hi Hi.

Gwen

How's it going?

Frank

Good.

Gwen

How was school today?

Frank

Perfect.

Gwen

Perfect.

Lauren

Perfect Wow.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Listeners, we are recording this on Valentine's Day, so I think Gwen did have a good day at school today.

Lauren

Yeah, did you get candy or something? Didn't they give you candy? A bunch of candy. Whoa, that's fun.

Gwen

And you brought some fun sunglasses that I'm wearing. They are heart shaped sunglasses.

Frank

Yep.

Gwen

You're not wearing yours right now because you said it hurts you with the headphones. Yep, all right, that's fine, hey, gwen.

Lauren

Thanks for coming in, gwen. Yeah, of course anytime, oh man. Oh man, what a character.

Gwen

We've told some of the people that listened to our podcast a little bit about you, but I want you to tell us a little bit more about you, so I have a couple of questions for you, okay.

Frank

Okay.

Gwen

All right, how old are you? Six, how old are you?

Frank

Kindergarten.

Gwen

Interesting.

Frank

Oh.

Gwen

Interesting, can you? What are your favorite hobbies? What's?

Frank

that mean.

Gwen

You know like what do you do, Like sports or activities that you do that.

Lauren

What do you do for fun?

Frank

Um, after school, sometimes they do hip hop, and then, and then on Mondays, and then on Wednesdays, I go to gymnastics, gymnastics.

Gwen

I've seen you do the gymnastics. You're nailing it.

Lauren

Yeah, thanks. I like your dance moves. I've seen you do some dance moves before.

Gwen

I mean, the dance moves are out of control. They're killer, thanks, A couple of other questions. What's your favorite movie right now?

Frank

Star Wars. You're kidding.

Lauren

Whoa.

Gwen

You have no idea how happy that makes me.

Lauren

You probably do know how happy that makes me that is Uncle Frank's absolute favorite.

Gwen

I love it so much. What's your favorite food?

Frank

French fries and chicken.

Lauren

Oh, french fries Solid choice.

Gwen

What a weakness for me.

Lauren

I think I am six.

Gwen

No, you're not, you're like hip hop, star Wars and French fries.

Lauren

French fries and chicken, yeah, hey Gwen. Yeah.

Gwen

What do you want to be when you?

Frank

grow up A singer.

Gwen

A singer.

Frank

Oh.

Gwen

Like uh, who's your favorite singer?

Frank

Taylor Swift Taylor Swiftie Okay oh wow, hey uh, Gwen.

Gwen

Yeah, can you sing a little bit of Taylor Swift for us right now? Just a little bit.

Frank

Okay, I jumped in the back of the car and I cried like a baby and uh, uh, uh, yeah, Nice, you nailed it that's good.

Gwen

Good job, I like that Thanks.

Lauren

I jumped. I jumped in the back of the car. I like that.

Gwen

Okay, all right, I'm going to start asking you some questions. You know why we brought you on here today, right?

Frank

Yep.

Gwen

What do you think we're going to ask you questions about?

Frank

Um spirits.

Gwen

Yeah, a little bit. And how come? Why you though?

Frank

Um, I kind of have powers, yes, I mean.

Lauren

Yeah, I like, I like, I like the name powers. That's amazing, gwen you know what they say.

Gwen

They say that everybody has those gifts, but some people are better at using them than others, and I think you might be pretty naturally good at using your abilities. What do you think?

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Yeah, me too Okay. So let's talk about real quick. Let's talk about the first time you realized you had abilities. What, what happened?

Frank

Um, the first time, I realized. Well, I saw a ghost, a spirit. It was in the garage. I became friends with her, though, oh wow.

Gwen

Do you remember how long ago was that?

Frank

I don't remember.

Gwen

You don't remember.

Frank

No, that's okay.

Lauren

Because don't know time.

Exploring Gwen's Spiritual Abilities

Gwen

Yeah, that was a stupid question. So you met a spirit in your garage and what did? What did? What did the spirit look like?

Frank

Well, she was kind of blue. Her hair was long, she didn't have any pupils. What do you mean? No pupils? I mean the black part in your eye, uh-huh pupils.

Gwen

What do you mean? No pupils?

Frank

I mean the black part in your eye that helps you see. And now my eyelashes. She didn't have any legs and she had fingers and all kinds of that stuff Arms, hands, fingers arms, no legs, or she's just like floating around. She was like at the top of the ceiling.

Gwen

Okay, and that was the first time, mm-hmm, okay.

Lauren

Did you feel scared or were you like that's weird.

Frank

I kind of felt scared yeah.

Gwen

What did you do?

Frank

I was by myself and then I saw something and I ran. You ran back inside.

Gwen

Did you tell anybody?

Lauren

No, why didn't you? You didn't tell your parents? Were you scared to tell them?

Frank

Um no, Okay.

Gwen

How come you didn't say anything? You just didn't, didn't feel like it.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Alright, that's fine. What about? What about? It made you scared?

Frank

It's just looking at the spirit for the first time. It just brings all of the emotions and stuff.

Gwen

Dude, that that makes sense. If Uncle Frank or Auntie Lo saw a spirit, it would probably be pretty freaky at first, until you get used to it. Can I ask you a question, mm-hmm, have you gotten used to it or is it still kind of freaky?

Frank

I got used to it really quickly.

Lauren

Oh, wow, um. We heard a story about one day when you were at school, you talked to a yard duty. Yeah, yeah, what happened.

Frank

Well, I just thought that her mom died, and then I told it to her.

Lauren

You said. You said hey, your mom died, mm-hmm Did something. Tell you that.

Frank

It just came up Like a spirit told me or something.

Gwen

I don't really know. You didn't see anything, you just heard something, or what happened.

Frank

Um, it just came right to my brain.

Gwen

Okay, so it was like a thought.

Lauren

Yeah.

Gwen

Okay.

Lauren

But you didn't know if it was your thought or someone else's.

Gwen

Yeah, interesting.

Lauren

Did you feel bad telling her or were you like? She needs to know this.

Frank

Um, she needs to know this. Actually, I don't even know what I felt.

Gwen

Yeah, because, Gwen, that's a pretty crazy thing to have just pop in your head.

Lauren

Yeah.

Gwen

You know, like that's, was that the first time something like that had happened. Yeah, were you just had a thought in your head suddenly.

Frank

Mm-hmm.

Gwen

Yeah, so that was the first time a thought popped in your head.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Okay.

Lauren

Has that happened again? No, were you just like on the playground and you walked over to her?

Frank

Um, I was on the black top and then, well, I kind of forget, I mixed up with other things. Oh, okay.

Lauren

Well, I remember your parents saying that the next day the yard duty came over to you and said you were right. How did you know that?

Frank

I kind of forget, because it was like one year ago, that makes sense.

Lauren

I can't remember things that happened like three days ago.

Gwen

But you do remember that it happened.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

All right. I wanted to ask you this when you told that to the yard duty lady, did anybody else at the school find out that you told her that?

Frank

Yes, my um, my teacher.

Lauren

Did she? Did she ask you about it?

Frank

Uh yeah, she said hey, gwen, how did you know? Her mom died, and and that's all I remember.

Lauren

You don't remember what you said back? Yeah, do you ever feel like that yard duty lady's mom is like hanging around at the school.

Frank

No, no, no, I think she went back up to heaven.

Lauren

Oh, the yard duty lady's mom is now in heaven and her spirit isn't isn't hanging around anymore, Yep.

Gwen

So spirits go to heaven after they they leave.

Frank

Yep.

Gwen

How do you know that?

Frank

Um, it's my presence.

Gwen

Your presence. You just know that.

Lauren

Yeah. So, gwen, your parents have told us that you've gotten a little more comfortable talking about spirits or things that you've sensed. How does it make you feel?

Frank

Good Fabulous, actually Really good Fabulous. It's hard to explain.

Gwen

No, gwen, it's okay. How does when you sense spirits? How does it? How does it make you feel?

Frank

Really happy.

Gwen

Really happy.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Are you ever scared? Sometimes, Sometimes Yep, when you're scared.

Frank

What do you do? Um just say please get out.

Gwen

Is there anything else you do?

Frank

We say a mantra every night.

Gwen

A mantra Mm-hmm.

Frank

Do you know what a mantra is?

Gwen

Uh, you can tell me please.

Frank

Well, it's a thing to keep. Keep good spirits in your house and leave the bad spirits Go somewhere else.

Gwen

So what do you say? That's smart yeah.

Frank

Yeah, you're setting it. You're setting it down. Great song Yep, I say I'm too young. Please leave me alone. Only abandoned family are allowed. The rest of you please get out. Thank you, michael. Michael, I mean Archangel Michael please protect me with your blue light. Also, I do not want to hear you or see you or feel you or know that you're even here. Thank you, that's so polite.

Gwen

How come you say all those things to Archangel Michael?

Frank

Not all of those things.

Gwen

Well, you say I don't want to see you, hear you or all the things you said. Why do you say that?

Frank

Because I just don't feel like hearing is when I'm not seeing wings or seeing anything.

Gwen

You think it would freak you out.

Lauren

Yep, I get it.

Gwen

Yeah, me too.

Lauren

I feel like that would freak me out too. But yeah, you want Archangel Michael's protection, so you say a mantra and that's before bedtime. Yep, do you say anything out loud any other time? We?

Frank

started a thing about sleeping in my room for seven days, and if I get it all seven days, I get an award. You get an award.

Lauren

Have you made it to seven days yet? No. I keep waking myself up, you keep waking up and then you end up. Where do you end up?

Frank

In my mom and dad's room.

Gwen

Ugh so annoying. Why is it annoying?

Frank

I'm never going to get to my award.

Gwen

Oh yeah, I know what are you feeling, what makes you go to your mom and dad's room.

Frank

Because I wake up myself.

Gwen

But why don't you just stay in your room?

Frank

I don't know, don't ask me.

Gwen

Are you scared?

Frank

Kind of.

Gwen

It's okay to be scared. I get scared sometimes.

Lauren

Yeah, I mean a lot of kids your age get scared of things. Do you feel like more bothered in the middle of the night or do you just feel scared?

Frank

I feel more bothered just because of movies. Oh, because of movies Like Star Wars and Anakin and all that stuff.

Gwen

Wait a minute. You said Star Wars is your favorite movie, and now Anakin scares you.

Frank

I like Anakin but sometimes I just think of him and he makes me like scared.

Gwen

I have a big question what Do you think they're still good in Anakin?

Frank

Yeah. And also because he cut off his head.

Gwen

I know, but Gwen, gwen.

Frank

What.

Gwen

Doesn't that make him a bad guy?

Frank

Yeah, but I still like him, uh, oh.

Gwen

Wait, are you a bad guy? Quite a conflict? No, okay, okay, you just have hope that Anakin's. There's still some good in Anakin.

Frank

Yeah, because the last thing Padme said in the third movie, Obi-Wan Kenobi I know they're still good inside him.

Gwen

She did say that.

Frank

Aw. And then all she did is this yeah, and she had twins.

Gwen

She did no spoilers though.

Lauren

Yeah.

Gwen

Maybe not everybody knows what happens in Star Wars yet.

Lauren

Yeah, people are still waiting for all the episodes to come out first.

Gwen

Yeah, Okay, Wait Gwen.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

So you wake up. You wake up in the middle night, you go to your mom and dad's room and it's. Is it because spirits are bothering you, or is it because you are just kind of afraid and because of movies?

Frank

I'm just kind of afraid, and of movies Okay.

Gwen

Well, I'm going to have to talk to your mom and dad about their choices, because it sounds like they're they're blowing out a little bit. What do you mean blowing it? I mean like, if you're waking up because you're afraid of movies, maybe they're letting you watch the wrong movies, dude.

Frank

No, I love Star Wars.

Gwen

Yeah, maybe you know what the truth is. I watch scary movies too, and they scare me, and sometimes it makes me not fall asleep.

Frank

So I love, I love Star Wars and.

Lauren

Okay, I have a question Do you like having this gift or ability, or do you wish you didn't have it?

Frank

I love having this ability.

Exploring Spirit Communication With Gwen

Lauren

You do, yeah. Do you wish you could turn it off, or do you want to use it at some point when you're older?

Frank

Sometimes I wish I can turn it off, and then sometimes I want to use it when I'm older.

Gwen

You want to be able to control it better.

Lauren

Um yeah, okay, we've talked to some cool adults that have similar abilities as you and it's really meaningful to them because they get to help people connect with friends and family and loved ones that have passed into the spirit world. So they think they are able to help people with healing, like their emotions and hearing from someone who's passed away. Do you wish you could do that.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Maybe when you get older, maybe you can like sing songs about spirits.

Frank

Yeah, I don't know. No, no, no, no, don't be weird, that'll be weird.

Gwen

Okay, even if it is weird, why don't you give us an example of what that would sound like? Sing a little spirit song.

Frank

I love spirits. They make me rise and shine.

Gwen

Wow.

Frank

I love spirits like my rock and shine.

Lauren

Does that hurt you? You doing alright Fine.

Gwen

Yeah, gwen, can I ask you a question?

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

What do you want to say to people who are kind of afraid of spirits?

Frank

It's fine, it's just normal. Everyone has abilities.

Gwen

Okay, but do you think spirits are always scary?

Frank

No, some are really really nice.

Lauren

Okay. Do you see them in your mind or do you see them with your eyes?

Frank

It's kind of complicated.

Lauren

I don't know. Okay, they're in your garage. Did you see the lady with your eyes like as if I was right here, or did you see her like in your mind and my mind.

Frank

I actually don't know. I forgot.

Lauren

That's okay. That's so interesting. Can you tell if you hear a Spirit, or does it sound like your own voice? And Just something you know I?

Frank

Don't really know.

Lauren

Like the feeling that popped into your head about your the yard duty lady. Was there a voice or was it just?

Frank

your brain, you it just popped.

Lauren

It popped in so well. I remember your parents telling us that sometimes you have bad dreams. Do you think you're being communicated to or talked to from spirits while you're dreaming?

Frank

Um, can I tell you about one dream? Yeah, there's one dream about me and my friend where we were playing in the attic and Guy that was a ghost Jumped up and we got scared and we ran down the stairs and he said Wait, don't, wait, don't leave. The next morning, the morning, in the morning, I told my mom and dad and I kind of felt scared.

Lauren

Did you know who that person was? No, how'd you know it was a ghost? I Just Felt like it, I sensed it, you sensed it, I see.

Frank

Can we be done with this interview?

Lauren

Yes.

Gwen

More questions for you.

Frank

Okay.

Gwen

Do you know anybody else who can send spirits?

Frank

No no.

Gwen

Do you think it would make you feel more comfortable if you did know somebody else who could send spirits?

Frank

Yes.

Gwen

Auntie Lowe and Uncle Frank watch a show called psychic kids and Sometimes they get a bunch of kids to go on a trip together and they kind of explore their abilities together and they always end up being friends at the end and sometimes I wonder if we can do something like that with you.

Lauren

It helps those kids not feel so alone. Yeah, that'd be cool if you could meet another kid that had abilities like yours, right?

Frank

Right, and I also watched one of those episodes.

Gwen

You did? Yeah, we sent them one.

Frank

Well, there's a girl and there was a ghost in the attic and and that girl asked the girl if she needs help and she said they kind of freaked me out, oh oh, you can hear the, you can hear the spirits voice. Yes.

Gwen

Yeah, yeah, you know, but but all those kids that were working on that together, do you think they were all friends?

Frank

Yes, I.

Gwen

Kind of think that by doing that they made a good friendship and they were supportive of each other.

Lauren

The host of that show. His name is Chip coffee. He always tells the kids fear is the worst thing because it it controls you instead of you having control over your emotions or your boundaries.

Frank

Yeah, and I also watched the second episode about a kid getting lost the show is not sponsored by a clairvoyaging in any way.

Lauren

Hey, gwen. Yeah, what's the coolest part about sensing spirits?

Frank

You get to talk to them.

Gwen

Why do you think they talk to you?

Frank

Because they need help.

Gwen

They need help. Yeah you think you'll be able to help them one day?

Lauren

Yeah, do you know what they need help with?

Gwen

No you just know that they need help with something.

Frank

Yeah, what does it yonks?

Lauren

that was a young, six year old guest Looks like man, I guess our show is boring.

Frank

I was just yawning, I know, but you're making it sound boring.

Lauren

Let me put you to sleep, glenn.

Gwen

Oh my gosh, glenn, you better get used to talking into a microphone, because, especially if you're gonna be a singer- yeah. Okay.

Lauren

I think the Valentine's candy is kicking in.

Gwen

Yeah, no kidding.

Frank

No, I didn't eat any Valentine's.

Gwen

This is just naturally you.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

You're a mess. You're a mess kid.

Frank

I'm gonna get out of this room right now, wait.

Gwen

I have one more question. Bye, bye, no, I have a question.

Frank

What.

Gwen

Well, it's not a question. I want you to do something.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

I want you to tell us a joke.

Frank

Okay, where do cows like to go for fun? Where the movies?

Gwen

Very good, can I use that nice?

Frank

Yeah okay. I love that.

Gwen

What's your favorite color?

Frank

I have two actually, oh that's interesting.

Gwen

Tell us about it actually four. Okay, how do they multiply pink one?

Frank

red two purple three blue, black.

Gwen

That's five.

Frank

Yellow, orange, green.

Gwen

We're off the rails entire rainbow. We're off the rails and this might be off brand. I'm not even sure. We gave it a try. We gave it a try and we literally started a brand because of you and suddenly you're off brand. What do you think about that?

Frank

I'm gonna get out of this room right now.

Gwen

Okay, and if?

Frank

you want me to tell a joke? Ask me right now.

Gwen

I don't do you have another joke. Yep, I'm gonna put you in a headlock and give you a noogie. Who's there?

Chaos Hour With Gwen and Frank

Frank

Who, who, who are you? What?

Gwen

wow did you write that? No okay, I just need a booking agent. Okay, you stole that joke. Wow, cool Dane cook.

Lauren

Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Gwen. Thank you very much.

Gwen

And that's without. This is Gwen without sugar. Can you imagine with?

Lauren

Thank you for joining us today.

Gwen

Hey Glenn, bye, wait, Glenn.

Frank

Yeah.

Gwen

Uncle Frank and Antelope Love you.

Lauren

We love you. What so you know?

Gwen

Do you love us, or what that's? Why we have a that's why we have a limiter break everyone's ear drums.

Lauren

Yeah, all right, get out of here, kid.

Frank

I'm waiting for you guys to get out here.

Gwen

Gwen, do you want your own show?

Lauren

you, you and Uncle Frank can host, a co-host, a show together.

Gwen

Chaos hour with Gwen.

Lauren

Yeah, do not.

Gwen

Say hi to everybody. Hey, hey, gwen Mm-hmm. You know everyone was interested in hearing about you and hearing from you. Do you want to tell anybody anything before you go?

Frank

No.

Gwen

Well, here you have it first Claire voyaging exclusive. Bye, gwen.

Frank

Yes, it was a terrible interview.

Gwen

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