023: Chakras and Healing Vibes // with Ruthie Moore

Ruthie Moore from the Empathic Healing Center joins us to share her journey through personal struggles and how it led her to the powerful union of psychology and spirituality. As a Therapist with an innate spiritual gift, Ruthie's story is a beacon for anyone seeking to navigate their own storms; she unveils empathic tools that have helped guide countless individuals toward their healing and growth.

Ruthie has a deep knowledge of the chakras, and an ability to see auras and the energy around people. Her intuition is so spot on that she almost had Lauren crying. We  discussed the nuances of nurturing spiritually sensitive children and the imperative to normalize these gifts in resistant communities. Ruthie Moore's insights provide a tapestry of warmth and wisdom. In this episode, you can draw comfort from her knowledge, whether you're looking to heal, grow, or simply find balance in the everyday dance of life.

To learn more about Ruthie, or to book a healing session for chakra balancing or energy work, visit her website: https://empathichealingcenter.com/
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Transcript

Lauren: 0:07

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Frank: 0:18

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Lauren: 0:19

Welcome back hey, hey, how's it going, frank Good how are you? Fine, we just had a great conversation.

Frank: 0:27

We just had a fantastic conversation With our guest Ruthie Moore Jinx.

Lauren: 0:35

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Lauren: 1:08

Maybe hearts, hearts and stars. Hearts and stars. Well, I feel like we should just get to it.

Frank: 1:15

Let's talk about Ruthie Moore.

Lauren: 1:17

Yeah.

Frank: 1:17

Ruthie Moore. You may remember from our episode where we went to Venice Beach and we interviewed a bunch of randos Episode 18. She was one of those randos, in fact, the first one, and one of the cooler ones too, yeah, and she agreed to come on the show. Lauren, tell us a little bit about Ruthie Moore.

Lauren: 1:35

Yeah, so she has Empathic Healing Center. She does energy work, chakra balancing, remote readings, crystal pairings. Also she has her master's in psychology. She's a therapist, so she has blended the two things. Guys, even during this conversation she did an accidental. She dug into me a little bit in my healing, healing needs and I was like, oh, she got lauren.

Frank: 2:08

Yeah, she's like I wasn't meaning to, but anyway, you'll hear that also contrary to popular belief in some regions of the united states, the dmv is not a place where you get your driver's license. It stands for dc, maryland and Virginia, and that's where she's from. Yes, she doesn't work at the DMV.

Lauren: 2:30

I didn't think she did. I just needed to know what she was referring to.

Frank: 2:33

I'm not pointing fingers All right Without further ado. Ruthie Moore.

Lauren: 2:43

Ruthie Moore, thank you so much for joining us today.

Ruthie: 2:48

Yeah, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me, frank met you for our.

Lauren: 2:54

It was our episode 18 where we did the live in-person Venice stuff. But for anyone who hasn't heard that episode, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and what brought you to the work that you're doing now?

Ruthie: 3:09

Yeah, so my name is Ruthie Moore. Um, I am an intuitive healer and um, I started with chakra balancing. Um, and originally it was after I was getting a divorce. I had my two kids and, uh, the degree I had was behavioral sciences and working with children and adults with special needs, learning, disabilities, etc. In home, out, home, in school, whatever, and it just wasn't paying enough. And I was in school to be a therapist and that was three years out from graduating. So I just felt within me to like start my business Empathic Healing Center to help assist people on their journeys. I felt people needed a spiritual outlet.

Ruthie: 4:09

Um, I wasn't quite sure. It, of course, turned my my intentions, that's, that's was the initial one. Um, I wasn't sure where it was going to go. I knew I had a series of gifts, like I could read auras, and I've also been a medium for people. Um, families, I tend to hold that one really sacred and it's I don't even put it on my website. That's all just kind of word of mouth, just from family to family. Cause it's I don't like to think of it as a parlor trick and because of the healing that goes through it and then also the shopper balancing, I got like a.

Ruthie: 4:41

I went to like some workshops and you know, did training under just to even learn the educational stand back and then in my master's program I did a full on his history study of the chakra system and kind of understanding Sanskrit just to kind of better help and assist in my area. So I guess it kind of started as like a spiritual life coach situation. Or I guess some people called me a guru, which I wasn't really. I've never seen a guru personally. I don't really know I'd have to look up the definition of a guru. I don't know if I'm a guru.

Frank: 5:18

It's one of those words that has a tendency to be abused over years, yeah, exactly. You're giving. You're giving guru right now, so okay okay but yeah, so that's who that's kind of.

Ruthie: 5:34

I don't know if that's answers it.

Lauren: 5:36

Yeah, yeah, definitely, so what?

Frank: 5:38

okay, hold on. I have a lot of questions. Did you follow through with the, the therapy training, the therapist training?

Ruthie: 5:44

yeah, I have my master's in mental health counseling.

Ruthie: 5:47

Okay, so I went and I got tested and licensed to the board and everything like that as well. I didn't think Empathic Healing Center was going to like be my save all end. All I originally thought I was going goal was private practice therapist and I you know, my my 20s I was like I don't know if I can tell people that I can like feel their energy, it can read it, and like I thought I was going to make it worse or people would like not trust me as their therapist if they knew, you know but and I didn't think it would be what it ended up being where I was like wow, hey, this is actually my business and I can like this can be my way I live, you know.

Lauren: 6:34

Yeah, that's so cool, like blending actual therapy with the like spiritual energy side. That must the two things must like help each other so much and I'm sure other therapists think it's cheating, but not here.

Ruthie: 6:50

Well, I know there was a lot of I, you know, and I had my uh, I guess it was like my supervisor, but they called it something else. When they like supervise you for your hours that you need for therapy, right, she was always like this is so unethical. Like she was like I need I should have had a new one, but I just wanted to like get through. But she just was like not okay with it. She was like you can't just tell people to hold rocks and that they're going to feel better. And I was like that's not what I'm doing, but okay.

Lauren: 7:23

Yeah, she was wild.

Frank: 7:41

I mean OK, so I get that, because a lot of you know there are some like peopleuiting someone else's feelings and what is behind their behaviors. You just have more tools in your toolbox, that's all.

Ruthie: 7:51

You know, it really feels that way and I honestly did not feel comfortable doing it without pursuing my degree either. I felt, like you know, because when you do a reading on people, it's like you know I I had to also figure out how to go about it. Because, you know, because when you do a reading on people, it's like you know, I had to also figure out how to go about it, because, you know, people cry, people are like whoa, that was really intense. That you know. Like that, you pulled that out. That's not what I thought we were going to talk about when I was here, which is something that also can happen in therapy. Like you know, therapy is an art form. It is a master's of art, no-transcript, lot of um clients that are working for the government and have wait.

Frank: 9:19

What's dmv? It's like the dc area, right yeah, yeah oh, okay, okay, I'm sorry, yeah, no.

Ruthie: 9:26

So dc maryland and virginia dmv wait, okay, okay I only care the california dmv.

Lauren: 9:32

I'm like I know it's not yeah, lauren.

Frank: 9:33

Lauren's like oh, you're a therapist for the dmv. She's, lauren's needed a therapist after going to the dmv plenty of times.

Ruthie: 9:39

Is that the motor vehicle?

Lauren: 9:40

yeah, yeah that's funny sorry just need to clear that up a lot of people that work.

Ruthie: 9:49

No, like like people who work like you know, uh, government contracting, like they have like this top security clearance and they're like not allowed to say anything. So typically the therapists that they go and see also have to have clearance right. But the way that my intuition works, it's not like that. I'm like, oh, I saw where you were exactly and this, and that, whatever it's just more coming out of, like I can describe their emotions and what they're feeling kind of on a regular basis, and then that brings to mind pictures in their head of what it is that they're experiencing. So they can have these like emotional releases, like crying, you know, and then not have to say anything to me, and then I just like so those are always like my most awkward clients for me, like I love them, so I'm not awkward, but it's just like I'm like going. I'm going and I'm like does that resonate? And I'm like, okay, cause I'll keep going. Yeah, so it's, but I feel like it was.

Ruthie: 10:49

But again, the mental health gave me tools, because then it's like okay, when they're having these emotions, when they're going through these things, elements that they can't change. You know, that's really what it is Like. We have spirituality, but we're all people and so those tools as people that they've studied in psychology is going to help you, and I feel like it's a disservice to go and be spiritually anything and then to not have the assistance of someone working with you mentally and emotionally while you're going through some of that. Not everyone's resonate with the spiritual side of things and that's fine, but my point was to be the person who did resonate with it because I knew I was a little girl who grew up seeing spirits and stuff. So you know I knew there was other people out there, that a way to kind of, yeah, combine it and um, that's what I did my my paper and some of my my book on too.

Frank: 11:44

That's really cool.

Lauren: 11:44

When people say, like when you say you can see auras, like what do you see? What does that look like?

Ruthie: 11:53

for you. Okay, I never looked into spirituality like seeing spirits and things like that and feeling energy was just like, like my mom was just always like, yeah, it happens, it's, yeah, it's just real, there's just that's whatever. And you know, we grew up Mormon and so then there was that thing, but it was really more like, you know, you go in a church and learn about Jesus, like that was kind of like the extent of it. And you know, I got really into that too. I loved jesus, I thought he was a great guy. I was like I feel like he's got spiritual gifts.

Ruthie: 12:27

It wasn't until after I had my son that my mom was watching this show about auras and I was like, oh, I can do, I didn't know, I didn't know people weren't doing that. Like I just thought, going around life, we all of you know, sometimes it's a hue over the total body. A lot of times it's like these hues outside the body and sometimes, like it'll just be like colors of hues, like down the arms and each different location. For me, um, once I delved into it, you know it will mean different things and so so it kind of is like, um, when I went to Arizona to go visit one of my friends. We went like down to like Sedona and when, um the like red sand would like blow, it would like almost hover above the ground but you could still see through it, yeah, and I was like what do auras look like? That's exactly what it is.

Ruthie: 13:26

It's was like what do auras look like? That's exactly what it is. It's like a, you know, it's just like a hue and like sometimes I'd see people and I'd be like dang, that guy is really white, like he's sick, like he's got not white as in, like a white human, like it is this white, or it's gray, or or there'll be like really green, or or I'll see purple, or you know just all the different colors that there are.

Frank: 13:45

So, yeah, it just kind of. That's interesting because in my little infant brain, like I think, or as as I I I think almost exclusively in the hues that like the traditional models for chakras are shown. So like the seven, those seven basic colors, yeah, yeah. So you're talking about gray and white though yeah, gray, white, gold there's.

Ruthie: 14:08

There's different shades. There's different shades of all the colors. For sure, I definitely see the seven colors, but there'll be different shades and even different textures. Sometimes there's like a shimmering essence to it, like literal looks almost like sparkles, and then other times it's like, yeah, it could be more of like a doomy looking color grayish and this is the color.

Ruthie: 14:32

This is all the time for you yeah, like so in any, as much as anything, when you're walking around and and can do anything, it's not like I'm doing it a hundred percent of the time. Um, you know, like I said, I don't necessarily feel like a nosy person and it's not very interesting to me, so I'm not like, oh my gosh, look at that person's aura, look at that person's aura. No, it's just like I'm working and seeing with people and it's as much as I can look into it further, maybe I get a dust of it. And it's the same thing with spirits Like I. I definitely pay attention to even spirits a lot less. Um, especially as it becomes your job. Yeah, at any point, like I mean, I could even like you guys far away, I can redraw us and you know, just, I get a sense of it and can. Just it's a, you know it's your. What I've found is, you know, it's connected to your pineal gland. Um and I could be saying that wrong, because I say a bunch of words, wrong maybe a pineal, pineal.

Frank: 15:31

I've heard everything.

Ruthie: 15:31

You're good yeah, it's uh, it's definitely a mind's eye and it's why I can do it what I call remotely but when you go into a crowd of people, do you see just like a sea of?

Frank: 15:44

I. I asked her this because rainbows when we were in venice I was like how overwhelming is this environment?

Lauren: 15:49

she said absolutely I know, I know, I remember that question, but do you see it that way, like, or is it just if you kind of like, tap in um?

Ruthie: 16:00

I would say, you know, it took me work to not tap in. Okay, yeah, to tap in sometimes it's just it is because I am what I am, and if I'm not like I, if I'm not doing much, like it's, I mean for the, for the most part, yeah, I look out and it's a part of what I see in people, like it'll be, like there's a person and they've got like blue and green kind of hovering above them and that person's yellow and that person's pink and that person's whatever, and that person kind of gives me the creeps and, like you know, do the colors mean anything to you?

Ruthie: 16:37

yeah, yeah it usually does so, um, usually when I see like pale pinks and things like that, and then I'll get like an additional one too. So it'll be like usually something having to do with like children or having a child and even pets can fall into that category and then what I do with that information is, if I'm like working with the person, then I just kind of like sit with it is the best way to explain it, and then I get more images and thoughts and sometimes words, and so then I'll be like, oh okay, so you know, I'm feeling heartache and a recent loss. Specifically I'm feeling it's a pet and not necessarily a child, but it feels like you had that relationship really strongly with this animal and you know, whatever If it's blue and things like that. A lot of times you know whatever, um, if it's blue and things like that a lot of times.

Ruthie: 17:28

You know, a lot of times they do correlate and I don't know if I use it as a guide map, um, but it does correlate with chakra points where, like blue is typically some type of you know, there's um, like creativity or like stuckness in that creative journey, usually like when you're unable to fully express actual, genuine, authentic self, like through and out what you're doing on a regular basis.

Ruthie: 17:53

So it's a lot of people like, even when they're stuck in like certain lines of work that they don't want to do, or maybe it's a relationship, so like. All of those are different, but the color itself usually correlates with something. Red is typically like some type of stability, either a lack of it or too much of it, or that they had like a break in their foundation and feeling off in some way. Or it could also mean like being very financially well off. That was a lot of red too. So there's just yeah, it's like kind of like. For me, it's like it was more of the journey of my practice kind of helped me see like some correlations with it.

Frank: 18:35

That's very interesting.

Lauren: 18:36

Yeah.

Frank: 18:37

Wait, I have a question. This is kind of like a left turn for a second. I'm going to ask you about a conspiracy theory, which is something I've never asked about.

Lauren: 18:46

But there's so many, this is like great.

Frank: 18:49

I know, I know it just popped in my head and you're the right person to ask. There's so much stuff out there about pineal or pineal glands being getting calcified from like fluoride and stuff like that In your experience, have you been able to determine if someone actually has an issue with that particular gland?

Ruthie: 19:11

That has never come up. That has never come up for me personally. Um, but I will say that diet does have a big part of it. Um, I, you know I never, um, yeah, I've never been like, oh gosh, yeah, you got a lot of fluoride. It's typically, um, you know cause? I usually uh, oh gosh, yeah, you got a lot of fluoride. It's typically, um, you know cause?

Ruthie: 19:26

I usually uh send people like if I'm getting a lot of you know, nutritional, like deficits in some way, where I'm like, yeah, there's a lot of gut things going on, um, there's a lot of cloud going on and I'm really thinking it's their diet. Um, there's like these many like cleanse, like thoughts of like foods and things specific that I know just from my own experiences what to do. But then I would send them to a nutritionalist and, yeah, I've never, I've never been like, oh, fluoride.

Ruthie: 19:57

But I feel like a lot of people's disconnect usually comes from emotional locks and also the concept of it's your mind and so it comes with a lot of trust and people are like it's difficult for people because they're like, well, I'm getting a feeling.

Ruthie: 20:18

Am I paranoid, Am I this, Am I that Like, or I have this thought how do I know that that was from this and how do I know if that was from that?

Ruthie: 20:24

And it's a lot of just getting people back down to their own personal roots and being wrong, following through and learning their own levels of when they went too far. Yeah, but yeah, I feel like it also. So dreaming and imagining is something that can work that out as well. So usually I always do a guided imagery like personalized meditation, usually on topic, with whatever came up in the reading and then soothing that out through this like thing, and so that's where the brainwaves kind of come in is kind of getting people to a relaxed in and out of dream state with like those theta delta waves, and that is healing for the pineal gland. But I do think that eating clean and you know what's the word filtering your water and things like that, like I have a garden, like in my you know I like to do things like that too, to have things more from the source I think that does with intuition what I found.

Frank: 21:32

But that's good to know.

Ruthie: 21:34

Yeah, Just being more comfortable in your body, you know really. So you have more control of your body if you're controlling what it is that you're putting in your body.

Frank: 21:41

For sure, yeah, does body, if you're controlling what it is that you're putting in your body. For sure, yeah, does. Does do our auras show you how many french fries we've had this week, because it's not good.

Ruthie: 21:49

It's not a good number in and out mcdonald's.

Frank: 21:53

We're in trouble, don't look at that. I love french fries I actually love french fries.

Ruthie: 22:00

That's like my number one thing anytime, because I was our daughter's favorite and like yeah, I just it's like french number one thing anytime, because I was free for a while and like, yeah, I just it's like french fries is like the safest food. It's potato.

Frank: 22:09

It's good, and then it's sterilized through very hot oil, so it's very it's a health food. It's clean.

Lauren: 22:18

I love it.

Frank: 22:21

Oh, my God.

Lauren: 22:23

I learned Reiki. Last month I became a reiki master, thanks um. I'm still working on chakras and whenever I hear about chakra balancing, I'm kind of like what is that?

Ruthie: 22:38

yeah, oh my gosh, I love this.

Ruthie: 22:39

I even have a youtube about this like um, yeah, I like it because it's the most common question I get when people first like come and see me. So basically, the way that I've broken it down to explain it is, you know, just the idea of chakras. Initially are these spiritual centers within the body, so we actually have more than the seven, there's actually 12. And then we also have all the the seven there's actually 12. And then we also have all the tiny ones all over, you know whatever. So they, the seven main ones, are the purpose to kind of assist not only with our organs that we have, that are related to them just where they are, but also to serve as like to help with our connection from our mind to our body, to our spirit. So, like these three, these three dimensional beings that we are, we have these three dimensions is kind of where it's at, so just like anything as we're living, walking, breathing through life, it can get clogged, so like even calcified, I guess too. But like a drain, you know, you're just nothing's wrong with it, it's just being used and existing, and so you've got to clean it out every now and then to help continue the flow, and so a lot of it is like, you know, like a sink drain or like a bathtub drain. Sometimes you got to go in and pull the hair out. Sometimes you got to pour something down there to like clear the whole drain out, to help make sure that all the plumbing is OK, and I would say the same for our bodies, you know, like good cleanses and cleaning out, getting your colonoscopies like you know, we got to get cleared out sometimes Sure, help things function a little better.

Ruthie: 24:14

So chakra balancing has a lot to do with, like, if I didn't see auras or didn't see anything or couldn't do readings on people, it would be more of like a blind. I'm just going through, and I would balance each chakra, and you can do that by. So for me, I feel like like heat or almost magnet on my hand, like you know, just kind of even like doing things like this. It's just I don't know why I just can. I thought that everybody would do that, and especially, you know, reiki or other people doing chakra stuff would also feel that, but then that was something that I found. Not everyone does that. There are some people who do, though, and you can go over each chakra in the direction that it's spinning, because they all go the opposite direction than each other. So it's like this one's here, this one's here, this one's here this one's here.

Frank: 25:08

I've never thought about the fact that these things are moving.

Ruthie: 25:10

Me neither. Yeah, and constant spinning, it's actually the word. Chakra is Sanskrit for wheel. Okay, so it is. It's a spinning wheel. Amazing, so it is. It's a spinning wheel, amazing, so there's, like you know.

Ruthie: 25:27

So when you're balancing them sometimes it's, you know, if you're balancing your root chakra, then what do you do to get grounded? Stomping your feet, like getting your feet in the soil, getting your feet in a bath, getting a pedicure. I'll even tell people that, like anything, that's like working on that, like bottom half of you, um, and then kind of like working your way up with that. The sacral is going to be anything with water. It's connected to the water elements, um, also rotating, you know.

Ruthie: 25:57

Anything sensual, like dancing, is a great thing too. And then your solar plexus, that's the fire element. So even gazing at fire, fire gazing, star gazing, like anything like that, even hearing it, and then the heart is air. You know it's also harmony, friendship, connection. There's all of that too. And then the you know it, just you know. So each, each one, has a different element that it'll work with, and so that's what I did in my practice is, depending on what chakras were, either spinning, the wrong way going out, or too expressed is the chakra points that I would interact with to help either counteract or add to, and I typically would use. So I would use aromatherapy, music therapy and then the tactile crystals in association as well, because of the energy give off that they have. Wow.

Lauren: 26:59

Okay.

Frank: 26:59

I'm about to give you a lot of my money.

Lauren: 27:06

Yeah, I've mentioned this. I don't know, maybe I haven't mentioned this on this podcast, but I just kind of realized, I think, that my solar plexus has some I don't know if it's. Is it so, would you say it's like stuck energy, is it trauma that's trapped or something? Because I was doing this like forgiveness exercise like a week or two ago and I felt this pain in like right in my solar plexus and I was like, oh, this is what it's attached to. How do I help that?

Ruthie: 27:41

Yeah, exactly, exactly. I love that because that's so, that's so beautiful to me. First of all, the awareness that you had to be able to even access and to take that as like, hey, yeah, this was my body speaking to me. That's like the first step is the body connection is, oh, body. I just heard you Like, wow, okay, I hear you. That's the first thing that typically we all need. And with the trauma, to like trauma, we'll need the validation, need to be heard. We don't have to repeat the trauma. We don't got to talk about the trauma, even like body keeps the scores.

Ruthie: 28:21

Talked a lot about how that's just not necessary. So for you, your solar plexus, you could do multiple things. So in as far as, like my clients typically, um, you know, we would then go into a reading and, um, seeing what things I pick up from the solar plexus. If you're like on your own and you're like I'm not going to get a reading, but I know it's related here, then you could do all the things that help the solar plexus. So, again, the solar plexus, so even like being in the sun, looking at the fire, doing things to connect and to be with this side of you. That's saying, hey, there's a need here, and that's also like drinking more water. And also the silliest thing, that's like the hardest thing to tell people is literally like like foods can heal us too. So it's like any yellow food french fries like banana, mangoes, pineapple, like you know, making those like smoothies, and so basically, what's happening is your body whenever it receives these emotions and it goes through things and like trauma is a big deal.

Ruthie: 29:33

So like each chakra is actually developed at a different stage in life. So like the first zero to three years of our life, that's usually the bonding with our family, it's our identity, it's who's my mother, who's this, who's that, whatever, and so that can give us a lot of identity issues in that zero to three. And in the zero to three it actually is aligned with first the first thing. That's so like when you're in the womb, the first chakra developed is actually the crown, and then it goes down to the root. When you come out into this world, it then goes to the root. When you come out into this world, it then goes to the root back up to the crown. So when you're around that age, those are the first three layers, and so of the first three chakras, and so your solar plexus is also related to that three, four, five year old version of you. That was like gaining, I have power, but then you're a three, four, five year old.

Ruthie: 30:25

No, you don't you know, and so it's that battle of you know, that self-identification like well then, who am I if I don't have this, or if I don't have that, or I have to listen to this. This is what I was feeling, but that's not okay and whatever else, and so a lot of that, because it's trauma that is kind of going back into it, and then it also goes into your personal identity, which is then middle school, and you know, middle school is rough. So then there's all that trauma that goes into there as well. So I would say the, the notes to do like, so I give people like a tool bag themselves, and so it's like a sacred space time to self focusing on that area. There's different sounds and frequency waves that also coordinate with each chakra as well. So even just not even worrying about it, like going on a walk and just listening to, you know either HGs or frequencies that are, you know cause, sound is color. You know how it, like it vibrates to a different color. So, yeah, yeah, listen to the color yellow and that helps move forward. You breathe in it.

Ruthie: 31:37

You say I hear you, I feel you. I don't need to know what it is, I release you, you know, because all of these emotions they just stay within us, they harbor, because our body says wait, are you giving me something to digest? Like I don't know how to digest this, let me store it over here. And then it just sits there and houses there and it just collects. With anything else that resonates or triggers that emotion, it's just going to collect and it becomes these actual stored energies inside the body.

Ruthie: 32:03

And that's what I find when I do readings on people is that's how I know information about them is I'll be like, oh, you know, whatever is in here, you know, and whatever I'm picking up, and then actually like using that energy. So it's like even hand movements like this and like pushing it out and through the body to like release. So it's not going to be like ta-da, my solar plexus is fixed. It's more like you know, treating it, recognizing it, thinking of it, putting it first until you start feeling the improvements. You can know the improvements by hearing your mental state. Am I feeling that I have personal power? Am I feeling in control of my life? Am I feeling that I have mental clarity? If not, then that's okay, talking to myself kindly through it, but then adding these new material into my life, these new healthy habits into my life for as long as I need and go back to them as needed. With that I mean, that was like I was trying to generalize that without going into it, no, but also like everything you said.

Lauren: 33:14

I was like oh boy, that is I know.

Frank: 33:17

I was trying so hard not to do a reading the second you.

Lauren: 33:23

Oh yeah, like several things, especially with like middle school and like three to five, I was like, oh god, I'm going to start crying.

Frank: 33:30

I was going to say, uh, oh, incoming.

Ruthie: 33:35

I literally was like oh, no wait hold on, wait, don't read her.

Frank: 33:39

I was just scanning the room for tissues just in case. Oh shit, it's coming.

Lauren: 33:42

I was like ugh when she says she people start crying. I'm like, well, that's me.

Frank: 33:47

Now I feel like I feel like if you get some as a, as a intuitive therapist, I feel like if you get someone to start crying, like that's a gold medal. You've done a good job.

Lauren: 33:56

Do it every day.

Ruthie: 34:00

No, it's like. It's actually interesting how comfortable I've gotten with it, like when I first made people cry, when I was like, because you know for me and anyone listening, they're gonna be like well, that was real generic. In general it feels and and sounds that way, sure, but then if you know each other and then for you you're like, wait a second, that's resonating with me in a couple of different areas I was was like this isn't that general.

Lauren: 34:24

She's got like a little, a little hint of like intuition. She's trying to keep it.

Ruthie: 34:31

I know, trying not to, though, oh my gosh, I'm also like you know it's it does come very easily. And then it's like I'm sitting here trying to think of examples. I'm like, well, I'm sorry, but you're what's coming to mind, yeah.

Lauren: 34:43

No, I mean thank you also, cause like I keep, I'm like how do I heal this, how do I, what do I do?

Frank: 34:52

And you just gave me so many tips, so that brought up a question for me Do you find that people get stuck in the analysis of their trauma too much instead of actually like progressing it?

Ruthie: 35:03

Wow, yeah, I had total, total body chills, absolutely, which it's hard not to. It's hard not to because you know and this is why I really feel for people and this is why I love what I do is I've had some, I've had a few clients that I've had to let go, and just you know, I will validate you and I will be here to honor and you can say it as much as you want, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, you can start. So there's a couple of things there, because you can start to worsen the trauma. You can then trigger yourself and then you're also embedded in your brain. The more you say it, the more you talk about it. The idea is to actually heal from your trauma, is to stop thinking about it and to let it go. You're forgiving it, you're forgiving everyone involved. You're forgiving you for the way you reacted. You're forgiving it's just this constant. This doesn't have to be a part of me anymore and it's not a part of my story. It's actually a very empowering step to remove that trauma from you, but it's very difficult because they're like wait a second, this is where my identity came from. This is who and how I became who I am. Who am I if I'm not this? And if I did this is what I can't you know. So it's, it's well. You're more than that. You know you're. You're more than what you've come from. Your identity has been made and you're also allowed to continue to change.

Ruthie: 36:33

A lot of times, when you hit your 20s and then getting older, you just like feel like you're a hypocrite If you change. We're meant to be hypocrites. That's a very good thing. We should all strive to be a hypocrite on a regular basis, because we're not growing. You know, if we don't learn something new, we don't realize that okay, it's okay for my life. It may not be okay for theirs, that's okay, no problem with that. Hey, this isn't okay for my life anymore. It used to be my whole life. There's traumas that I'm sure I'm holding on to that I maybe I'm not even aware that I'm holding on to. It becomes your voice a lot of times, too. You just you know you're fighting for yourself.

Ruthie: 37:16

One of my sisters she lost her baby six weeks after her baby was born. One of my sisters she lost her baby six weeks after her baby was born, and it was just a completely sad thing, of course, for the whole family and still is that. That happened and it's one of the reasons why I first was like, ok, grief counseling. And then, after I went towards grief counseling, it became trauma, because and I specifically was very interested in trauma Not only did I have traumas in my life that I felt was helped through therapy and I wanted to also be a part of that but it was also because, you know, trauma is very interesting.

Ruthie: 37:55

It's something that you have been changed forever and there's nothing you can do about it. Like what's done is done and it just seems like such a helpless place to be. And then, doing this, I realized how many things are traumatic and how it's. Everybody has a trauma, like it wasn't just. I always thought of the people who, like, have to live every day and now they're quadriplegic or now they're blind, or now they, you know, had a loss, but it's it's so much more than that, like it's relative. You know, I always use an example which has never actually been a real client, but like someone can get a paper cut and it's the worst thing that's ever happened to them.

Ruthie: 38:34

They just can't stop yeah but you know, I literally am like I would feel really bad for you and your paper cut Like that is how I am, because I'm like sadness is sadness.

Lauren: 38:46

Yeah, you know, that's a bit. That's a recent realization of mine that I wasn't giving trauma. It's like I don't know, it's space. I just kind of washed over things and and I I would say like oh, it could always be worse.

Ruthie: 39:03

Yeah, it wasn't that horrible.

Lauren: 39:05

Yeah, like you know, divorce and lost my brother and all this stuff and I and I still. It could always be worse, it's, it's. It's not that bad. I still had all these other bright spots and all this other good stuff.

Ruthie: 39:19

but it kind of trivializes like or it doesn't help you heal as much. Yeah, you have to honor yourself and the way that you feel and you have to realize that that counts and that matters. You know, we learn especially early childhood. We matter when we, whatever, and so for some of us who get in trouble a lot, I matter when I mess up, you know, I am who I am when I hurt, you know, and so it's we. You know that's where a lot of us learn it. So it's.

Ruthie: 39:51

We do have to be easier on ourselves and we do have to honor anything that we've gone through, and that's another reason why it's important to know that you don't have to also share it. If you want to share it and you feel like it's going to feel good to talk about and to really get the validation you need for it, then that's important and do that. You know, and then it's, at the same time, kind of just allowing yourself. You're allowed to just honor yourself. You don't need someone that you pay or someone with a license to go and to validate you. You absolutely could validate yourself and say, yes, I went through this and it was hard and and this has really stuck with me and it's changed me and you know it just that that type of validation and honoring is the first step of really body listening and connecting again to the spirit and the mind and just trusting yourself and creating that intuition for yourself too.

Lauren: 40:48

Yeah.

Frank: 40:48

You might not need someone with a license, but everybody needs a Ruthie.

Lauren: 40:51

So so you have empathic healing center. Do you also have a therapy practice, or is Empathic Healing Center your thing?

Ruthie: 41:04

Yeah, empathic Healing Center is my thing. I um because for me I'm like so when I, when I went through and I was doing my um internship, I worked for a nonprofit organization and it was beautiful and it was wonderful and I felt my, my therapeutic connection was called cognitive behavioral therapy and also dialectical behavioral therapy, which is DBT, so CBT, dbt. And then it stems from the historic REBT, which is the ration that that so of the emotion that creates the behavior and you know of you. And so it's like OK, my emotions are what makes my behavior, so it's important to target those. And then so DBT was a psychology therapeutic practice that uses mindfulness and, well, they use what's called filtering, which you can do by meditating. So if you are not a spiritual person, you could very well go to a therapist and they would start doing meditations with you either at the beginning or the end of the session, totally normal.

Ruthie: 42:22

I encourage my clients to have a therapist because I do keep and track, like a treatment plan, and I do keep and track goals, but I don't have somebody that I submit those to like a regular therapist would, and I don't have, like you know, the like worldly tools and resources and programs. I could tell people about them and I could have pan flips about it, but I always feel safer when someone's going through something with me to also have somebody else supporting them, because I do focus mainly spiritually chakra base help them create their own sacred spaces, to help them create their own healthy rituals. That's kind of what I talk about too in this book that I so like it's finished writing and I'm trying to get it edited and I yeah, thank you, and that's the goal of the book too is the information that I give a client. I kind of have it stemmed down to what to do, like what tools that they could use and would be helpful and has been helpful.

Ruthie: 43:24

What's it called my book. Yeah, See your life through your soul, eyes wide shut. And yeah, and I connected it with my my. It was called a conceptual manuscript, which is like the best way to like your thesis. So the chakra balancing for improvement of self esteem and development of personal power a non binary, non religious way to like your thesis. So the chakra balancing for improvement of self-esteem and development of personal power a non-binary, non-religious approach to finding your spirituality.

Frank: 43:46

So put me down for pre-order. Yeah, With the amount of heavy topics that you deal with with your clients, how do you take care of yourself?

Ruthie: 43:56

Yeah, I, you know, I just try really hard to practice what I preach, you know. So you know I just try really hard to practice what I preach, you know. So you know I had a pretty difficult emotional upbringing and went through a series of my own issues, traumas and experiences, like you know, with a lot of trial and error that helped and alleviated and got me through so that I could at least, you know, keep going at the very least, and I feel like that those are the tools that I like to share and use. And then also, you know, of course, making sure I'm taking care of myself physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. I do have, you know, all my own like rituals that I've kind of created, and sometimes life gets busy and you have to put some of those things down, and when you start to notice yourself not doing quite right or feeling that awesome, then you got to pick up all those tools again and start using them again and making more time and prioritizing yourself, whether it's your mental health, emotional or spiritual health. I think that we need to make time to prioritize the three of those things regularly and more often, and allowing us to fail other people on a regular basis if it's needed as we're striving to take care of ourselves.

Ruthie: 45:22

So, yeah, I do all the. I meditate like all the time, all the time, like I. I meditate um multiple times in a day, um, like I have to, and then I also meditate like to fall asleep, you know Um. And then I do have my crystals, I do have my sage you know I do yoga.

Frank: 45:47

I'm in a hip hop dance competition team too. You buried the lead with that one.

Lauren: 45:49

Oh, my God yeah.

Frank: 45:52

That's what we need to hear about. Yeah, and that's that's really fun.

Ruthie: 45:57

So, you know, staying close to friends, like you know, all the, all the things that there are to do, it doesn't keep you from feeling, and that seems to be what people's goals are, which is understandable, because happiness is not necessarily the goal. It's honoring every moment as it comes and, just you know, being grateful for different things on a regular basis. Yeah, yeah.

Lauren: 46:24

How do you keep yourself from like carrying other people's stuff or like energy?

Frank: 46:30

She just told you she drinks a bottle of wine and she and she watches the bachelorette. Are we not having the same conversation here?

Lauren: 46:49

Some people have, like they have huge energy, so it's like, oh, that's stuck to me, or they take it from you, or or whatever. I'm like working on that. We're also working on that with our daughter has a lot of empathic stuff and we're trying to like tell her like those aren't your emotions, you're carrying someone else's.

Ruthie: 47:03

Yes yeah, that's a big one, um for sure. And then and then understanding too that we're gonna have a response to those emotions as well, and then have our own emotions and so when you're, when you're doing that, it's it stinks, but you also have to like. So it's like that person is really anxious and now I have a lot of anxiety. Well, you also have to like. So it's like that person is really anxious and now I have a lot of anxiety. Well, now I have to manage this anxiety how I would if it were my anxiety, um, just to help your body, kind of rebalance, but at the same time. So a lot of times I tell people like you know, it takes a lot of self-trust, and so it's the development of literally using a bubble and a shield.

Ruthie: 47:41

And then you intentionally like intentions are huge. You know, intentions are are these big pieces of us that help us stay clear and on our goals and in the direction that we want to go as well. So intentions are really important for specifically empathic people. To to where it's like I'm going out my door, you're going to be around a bunch of people, so I'm going to put, like my, my shield on and it's literally all you got to do. You just literally think about that being on there, and that's that's the part that gets the hardest. To maintain mental balance is when you're talking to yourself spiritually and you're like, just because I say it is, is how it is. You know that can make you be like, but is it, but is it, but is it? And you just have to it's, it's a, it's a life journey to continually just trusting yourself, um, and then when you come back out, to like wash it off. And so the best way that I've tell clients to wash things like that off is to actually take a shower, which also helps when you're in that mental, emotional stress too, because showers, you know they hit your body the way it does to kind of help rebalance you and touch all the different nerve endings that it needs to. Also, water is healing and sacral, connected, emotional connection. So all your emotions are in there as well. And then you just literally watch it all go down the drain. For some people it helps to wash something off. You can even have like for children, like food dye. You like drop it into and watch it go down the drain and you name the food dye. You say these are the you know emotions and things that I'm experiencing from others and people, and then watching it go down, you can actually visually see it going away and you are free from it and yeah, so those types of things.

Ruthie: 49:31

Citrus is really good too for alleviating like the depression, because anxiety it works like the recycling symbol, how it's like the arrows, like literally we can have our anxiety. Well, once it goes away, unfortunately it like wraps around the gut and it becomes our depression. So it's like anxiety Ooh, I can't do anything. Depression I literally can't move, I feel completely weighted.

Ruthie: 49:55

So it's kind of like honoring that um cycle by allowing yourself to cycle like OK, this is how I'm feeling right now. I'm not going to feel this way forever, you know, because I don't feel this way forever and thinking about times that you are feeling OK. So then I guess today I need to rest. I guess today I need this mental whatever. It is up to each individual to decide is this the day that I push myself to shower, to move and to do hard things, because I know I can do hard things, or is this the day that I need to honor and say you know what? It's okay to rest and and have that rest and um, you know it's, it's like the saying to to rest, don't quit, you know. So I would give it like those types of answers, if that's helpful.

Frank: 50:44

Were you in my head that time, or?

Lauren: 50:50

That's me. We need to do more of the like shield. We have an empathic household.

Frank: 50:59

Yeah, we do. We need to have a better plan and we need to stick to our plans, like before we leave the house. As a family, we need to do that. We started doing a, I started, I called it.

Lauren: 51:08

This just became family therapy right now. Yeah, thank you.

Frank: 51:14

We started doing. I'm calling it. I call it a car wash, which I had to explain to my daughter. I don't mean like we're going to get a carwash.

Lauren: 51:20

She's like I'm so excited to go to the car we're going to go through the carwash, I'm like no, no, no, that's not what I mean.

Frank: 51:25

I mean when, when we get in the car, we're all going to wash, like emotionally, and like cut our ties to where we just left, but we don't do that before we leave shield.

Ruthie: 51:36

Yeah, yeah exactly To shield and then to unshield, and some people shield with prayer, you know, and that's kind of where, like, I kind of look at all of our different practices that we have, just like around the world, and some people they swear by it and they say a prayer and they ask for all the protection and things that they need, and at the end of the night they pray and remember all the things they're grateful for and whatever. And so you could do that, with or without prayer. You could pray to the the idea of deity, you can or just to the idea that you know there's something greater, bigger. You know religion a lot of times and, like you know no offense if you're religious people or not, but kind of outdated. You know parenting model, which I actually feel is more along the lines of authoritarian parenting style, which is just not the way to go, and it's just a lot of like. If you do this, bad things will happen to you, which also creates a really unhealthy negative thought cycle as well.

Ruthie: 52:36

But there's some practices within it that are not so bad. You know seeking after good things, good people, good books, and then having those moments of intentional asking for receiving, for gratitude, moments of just that personal, spiritual, internal self going through those cycles, internal self going through those cycles. Um, so you know, I'll pray with my kids I've got three kids but uh, we don't go to church, but I I do. You know, for the practice of, you know, okay, let's put on our bubble suits. You know, I tell it to them as light. You know, we're asking for the light. It's going to surround us with light. We're going to send that light and I love it, cause my kids, they're little and they'll be like that's fun.

Frank: 53:26

But yeah, Like what is prayer, except for just like intention setting? You know, like the word prayer has a connotation to it that I am not huge fan of, but like intention setting it's all the same thing.

Ruthie: 53:39

I do like that yeah.

Frank: 53:40

Three kids, you think they. Uh, you said Oliver, oliver, layla, all the same thing, I do like that. Yeah, three kids, you think they. You said Oliver.

Ruthie: 53:43

Oliver, Layla, Levi yeah.

Frank: 53:46

Are they gifted?

Ruthie: 53:49

Yeah, so Oliver, he's very empathic and so, but I haven't like gone over full. I'm waiting until they're like teenagers and, as they're fully under, like grasping the world around them. Waiting until they're like teenagers and, as they're fully under, like grasping the world around them and where they're at, before we open up all that. Because having it open for me as a child was more traumatizing and I felt more hurtful and it was like more harm than good when it came to the spirits side of it.

Frank: 54:18

So I'm sorry to interrupt, but was that because of your Mormon upbringing or was that because of just Well?

Ruthie: 54:24

because spirits are scary and haunted houses are not fun, and like it's confusing, like it makes you feel completely unsafe. Like you, like I, I didn't understand how this thing couldn't hurt me when it was like scaring me and you know my, my poor mother and family, like they didn't, they don't know, they didn't know, nobody knows, and they didn't know to the extent that I was experiencing it either, and I was also told there was nothing I could do. I had to ignore them. I had, I couldn't tell anybody and I had to, you know, just just ignore it. So I was like constantly, just like trying to ignore, isolating, yeah, and so like for my kids, like you know, oliver, he can feel. I had to tell him. You know, not everyone can feel people's emotions like you can feel, because, like he was thinking, everyone could feel what he was feeling. Oh, man.

Frank: 55:25

identifying it is so helpful that's for kids who have sensitivities, like just saying, by the way, this is not something that everyone has.

Ruthie: 55:34

Yeah exactly no-transcript. Is that any better? Like you know, and I'm like having this in my head and my daughter is like I know, yeah, exactly she like was in her car seat and she just went yeah, mom, I think chick-fil-a is good, wow. I was like. I was like, oh, okay, well, that's good now. And then, like you know, there was like this time where she, um was like mom um, why were you in my room last night dancing? And I was like mom um, why were you in my room last night dancing?

Ruthie: 56:42

and I was like, wow, that's creepy, I was not in her room dancing and then she and I was like, um, you know, because she was so little, she was three um, I said um, I was like, oh, I just had to get something from your room. And she's like then how come you kept running away from me when I was trying to get closer? And I was like I'm sorry, like I just kind of like left it at that and like, if it's a memory that she has older, I'll go more into it. But I didn't want to impose, and I don't necessarily think that what I did was right or wrong. I just feel like it was how I felt I wanted to handle the situation and me just knowing she's sensitive to it. So then I told her you know, when things like that happen, or whatever, you know, you can just like send out a light and say, and, and you spread it through your whole body, and you spread it through your whole room and everything goes away, because kids, you know, believe in Santa. So it's like they have this stronger ability to be able to protect and shield themselves spiritually than adults do, because they are more easily manipulated by these positive thought cycles. And so the information that I'm giving these adults to try to deal with their spirituality. I'm just giving it to them and just shortcutting all of the experiences they had and just honoring the fact that I have these things. They're more likely to have them. You know, how was I going to handle? That was always a thought, and so I'm just telling them the things to do so they know how to do chakra balancing. They'll even do it with little pendulums. They, you know.

Ruthie: 58:23

My daughter says I'm like Elsa, cause I've got power, cause they do their balances, they meditate, they do, you know, like all the body awareness, like the body awareness, like, um, kind of just handling that. Um, levi too, um, you know, he's, he's three and his sensitivities, I can tell, come because of his like, uh, emotional, um, dysregulation that he goes through. So he's definitely picking up very sensitively on all of the energy and, like you know, when I'm not doing well or if I'm going through something and I'm feeling really frustrated, it's like how careful he is, you know, gives me those signs and triggers as well where I'm like, okay, so they definitely I don't know what and if they'll do anything with it. I felt a call for mine. Yeah, um daughter says she wants to balance people's chakras when she's older too, um, but my son says he wants to be a youtube channel person.

Lauren: 59:23

So let them be whatever you want to be so how do you feel?

Frank: 59:29

and then I'll probably probably let you go. I can talk to you forever yeah I almost did on on the boardwalk. Um, how a big like impetus for this podcast is to try and normalize this stuff so that people who are growing up with these abilities don't feel like they have to suppress them. So like raising your kids who are sensitive, in your environment, in your community, like, do you have a sense that there's any kind of like Whoa, what a bunch of weirdos. Or anything like that?

Ruthie: 59:59

Oh yeah, unfortunately, where I'm at. Yeah, it was especially because you know less, less in the Annapolis area, but like I'm over the bridge in Stevensville and, um, it's pretty small town, it's pretty like hunting turkey season ducks fishing. You know people, who they do go to nature but you know it's still the flags, you know, not to get like political or anything like that, but like Confederate flags and big monster truck, you know. So you know there's, I'm not listening to our show.

Frank: 1:00:38

I don't think they come here, it's okay.

Ruthie: 1:00:43

But it's like you know, I've definitely noticed, um, yeah, there's well, there's no other you know person out here right now. Um, and I, it's just uh, I do still, like you know, there'll be the like oh type of reaction and some people are like, oh yeah, I'm into that, yeah, exactly. And I would say for me, being in the field, like when I first started, it was so awkward getting out and like you know and and being like yep, even those people that you thought you knew me and never told you this about me. Like you know and and being like, yep, even those people that you thought you knew me and never told you this about me. Like you're right, you know, and um, but I feel much more comfortable with it now.

Ruthie: 1:01:24

But I definitely feel like I used my therapist degree as a crutch and almost like a mask sometimes like oh, I'm a therapist, you know, um, but yeah, in in the right situations and you know, some people think it's still dark magic or like it's witch stuff, or they want their kids to be in Catholic schools and you know, or whatever type of religious establishment establishments they've got out here, and not with someone who plays with crystals, because they feel like I'm playing with dark magic and stuff or whatever.

Lauren: 1:01:56

Yeah.

Ruthie: 1:01:57

So, unfortunately, yeah, there's still that it's so interesting.

Frank: 1:02:00

I want to reach those people, so bad.

Lauren: 1:02:03

There's certain people. You tell about our podcast and like oh okay.

Frank: 1:02:08

I know it's just the thing with, like you know, I won't be listening to that.

Ruthie: 1:02:12

It's like Bigfoot too. Like you know, that's what people look like. They put it in the category as Bigfoot you know, yeah.

Frank: 1:02:18

Right, yeah, we care about Bigfoot. I always, you know, like hyper conservative uh, I'm going to call it a lifestyle and the same thing with, like fundamentally religious, like it's such a glass ceiling to like what you can achieve and how you can connect with other people. It's such a burden and, like you said, like a lot of the basic, like foundational, like religious stuff is pretty good. I'm, as a post-catholic, still a fan of the ten commandments because it's don't kill people but like yeah, right that, exactly that fundamental stuff.

Frank: 1:02:54

Past that, it just gets a little. It gets a little, uh, uh, you know suppressy.

Lauren: 1:02:58

Yeah, a little suppressing.

Ruthie: 1:02:59

Yeah and controlling, and it's just, we don't fit into molds. That's just not what we're meant to do and be anyways, but yeah.

Lauren: 1:03:07

Man, thank you so much for all of this. This has been amazing, yeah.

Frank: 1:03:13

Plug all your stuff. Tell us where to find you on the internets.

Lauren: 1:03:16

And we'll also include it in the links in the show notes. Yeah, yeah.

Ruthie: 1:03:19

Awesome, yeah, so Instagram is at Ruthie's healing vibes, my Facebook is empathic healing center or at Maryland it's MD empathic, and then, which is a bit, it goes to empathic healing center. I think you can find it both ways. And then my website is, you know, the wwwempathichealingcentercom.

Frank: 1:03:45

And a book TBD.

Ruthie: 1:03:47

Yes, and I have eight children's books too. I have them all written. I'm just trying to, yeah, for the chakras and it. They're like, um, they're a little like poems and mindfulness, so basically like what to read your children before they go to bed. Like it's like includes, like some affirmations, and it also has like just different things that balance each chakra and like the books are colored according to each chakra.

Frank: 1:04:11

What are those called Cause? I'm about to open my wallet. I don't have a name for them yet I don't have a name yet, and I don't, and so I don't have a name for them yet.

Ruthie: 1:04:17

I don't have a name for them yet and I don't, and so and I don't have them out yet. But so this is my. I'm both holds up with my books. I got them done and then I was like, oh wait, okay crap. Now I got to like they're in there working and I'm very excited about them, but I I really wanted to do it all at once.

Frank: 1:04:35

Yeah, like I said Keep us updated on that, and when you get around to actually getting them published, just send us an email and we'll tell everybody about it too. One of our intros Ruth you're by far the nicest Department of Motor Vehicles employee I've ever spoken to. We'll be in touch. I think we're going to talk more soon.

Lauren: 1:04:59

Yeah, okay, thank you so much.

Ruthie: 1:05:02

Bye have a good one.

Frank: 1:05:10

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