025: Third Eye Sight // with Juan Francisco

We are joined by the delightful Juan Francisco who discusses his exceptional journey into mediumship in just the last few years. We talk about the complexity of psychic readings, and the delicate responsibility mediums like Juan shoulder. He shares how self-reflection and personal growth are not just beneficial, but essential for readings to resonate with authenticity. He talks about healing his inner child, which of course, makes Lauren cry.

From the importance of respecting varying beliefs to dealing with societal perceptions and outright discrimination, this episode is a candid look at the triumphs and trials faced by those with psychic and mediumistic gifts. Tune in for a fascinating exploration of psychic development, the transformative power of inner child work, and the boundless potential that comes with embracing the full spectrum of our abilities.

To learn more about Juan or to book a session with him:
Visit: https://juanfranciscospirit.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juanthirdeye

Transcript

Lauren: 0:01

Hey guys, in today's episode we talked to Juan Francisco, a psychic medium and tarot card reader based in New York. His journey to developing his gifts is fascinating and quite sudden. It's less traditional than some of the other mediums we've interviewed. Also, he made me cry in a good way. I'm your host, lauren.

Frank: 0:21

I'm Frank.

Lauren: 0:22

This is episode 25 of Claire Voyaging Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging what's going on? Hey, welcome to another glorious day, a glorious day of Claire Voyaging.

Frank: 0:51

We're all just out here, claire Voyaging, aren't we?

Lauren: 0:53

Yeah, guys, we've got a good one today.

Frank: 0:57

It's a sweet one.

Lauren: 0:59

I mean, they've all been fascinating guests. This is another awesome guest.

Frank: 1:05

His name's Juan as we told you, juan Francisco.

Lauren: 1:08

And before we get to that, Frank, a little update.

Frank: 1:11

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Frank: 1:38

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Lauren: 1:52

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Frank: 2:18

Yeah, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to toot the horn here, but listen I don't know if you guys know this, toot away for a second well, here we go to toot the horn here.

Lauren: 2:25

but listen, I don't know if you guys know this, toot away for a second Well, here we go, Toot toot.

Frank: 2:27

This show is just me and Lauren. We do all the stuff that we don't have. We don't have a team.

Lauren: 2:32

It's so much. It's so much work.

Frank: 2:36

It's a labor of love.

Lauren: 2:37

No, of course. Yeah, it's a blast.

Frank: 2:39

But yeah, you, you know some of these big podcasts out there with a whole team. What are they?

Lauren: 2:43

They've got an editing team, a marketing team. Producers, what are they?

Frank: 2:48

even doing.

Lauren: 2:49

We are all of those.

Frank: 2:51

Yeah.

Lauren: 2:51

Every single one of those things is me and Frank.

Frank: 2:54

Anyway. So when you write to us, we love to see it because it comes right to us.

Lauren: 2:58

Yeah, and we're trying to grow. So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We love you. That too, hearts and stars.

Frank: 3:05

Hearts and stars. Is that a thing now?

Lauren: 3:06

That is a new thing. That is just going to stick forever.

Frank: 3:10

You said it and I think I used to sign my like high school yearbooks that way you wrote hearts and stars.

Lauren: 3:19

I don't know why it sounds so familiar.

Frank: 3:20

I love that so much I think some of my old pals someone's going to know why I used to do that.

Lauren: 3:24

Maybe they have a heart and a star next to your name.

Frank: 3:26

It might have been that.

Lauren: 3:27

Yeah, I love that.

Frank: 3:29

No regrets.

Lauren: 3:29

I learned something new about my husband today.

Frank: 3:32

No regerts.

Lauren: 3:33

No regerts, here we go. Here we go. Juan Francisco, episode 25 today. He was really fun to talk to because he's like just energetic.

Frank: 3:46

And he made my wife cry, and that's always a win.

Lauren: 3:48

That's a win in my book literally was wiping tears off my face and he was like oh no, yeah, so you'll hear that. Put one down for a w yeah, anytime you can make lauren cry, it's just another tuesday if it doesn't work, you just gotta kick her in the shin, and that works too, that'll do it.

Frank: 4:04

All right, let's roll.

Lauren: 4:06

Roll the tape, Juan Francisco. Thank you so much for joining us on Claire Voyaging.

Juan: 4:14

Thank you. It's my absolute pleasure to join. I'm excited.

Lauren: 4:17

Yay, we're happy to have you here. So can you tell us a bit about yourself and what brought you to the work that you're doing now?

Juan: 4:26

Sure. So I think the story that a lot of folks expect to hear from a psychic medium and this does happen is I saw ghosts at the foot of my bed when I was three years old and I would hear voices. And that is not very true for my story. I grew up in a very spiritual household. It was Judeo-Christian based, but it was very spiritually progressive. So I was told all the time your uncle's, my uncle, who I'm his namesake, who passed before I was born, your uncle's looking over you, your grandmother's with you. I would hear these things all the time, so it was very normalized for me to think about my loved ones being with me, and there were a few times. As a kid, I remember maybe hearing my name being called and no one was in the room, but for the most part, I never really experienced anything supernatural, paranormal until maybe my teenage years or college years, and being a psychic medium was something that I felt or thought that was for special people, people who were only people, who were born with it, people on TV like the John Edwards and Teresa Capitos of the world, both of whom I love, and it was in 2020.

Juan: 5:36

I grew up watching my father read tarot cards. So there seems to be a psychic ability that's passed down through my father's side, because my great grandfather on that side was psychic, didn't work as a psychic would just tell my father what was going to happen in his life and it would happen. My father read cards. Um, my sibling grew up seeing the deceased around him and I'm here like nothing's happening to me. Oh my gosh. And I was okay with that. I loved, like paranormal shows.

Juan: 6:06

So now, going back to what I was gonna say about 2020, I got laid off from my full time job in public relations and I had all this time as I was applying for jobs over and over. I decided to teach myself tarot cards and I did a card per day and so I got to the end of the deck. I started reading for friends and practicing that way and in 2021, I was doing a reading for a good friend of mine and I had known that she had a close family friend who had passed. I knew that, unfortunately, his life was taken from him and I knew his first name and I knew the year that he passed. And in this card reading, which was not meant to connect with anyone on the other side, it was a reading regarding her life, some life situation she was encountering. I just felt his energy just come through in this card that I drew and it was his zodiac sign, the Leo card, which is the strength card in the tarot deck and I just told her I think he wants to say this to you the reading ends and I feel like he's still with me. This had never happened to me before and I started feeling physical sensations related to how he passed. I started seeing a memory between him and my friend. That was not my own memory because I wouldn't have been in the car with them.

Juan: 7:21

Listen to this song that I was hearing in my in this. I don't know how to explain it. It's like, uh, it's like if someone asks you, do you remember how that Beatle song goes, and you play it in your head, it's like that was happening. Yeah, but it was a song I never heard before. And so I realized I fast forward a week from that reading and these sensations and these thoughts I was getting, um, I I learned that what was coming through from him was accurate and resonated with her and I thought, okay, this is not something I do.

Juan: 7:49

I read cards. This is something for TV. I don't know what's going on. And what's funny is two months prior to that, I had seen there was a mediumship development circle and I was going to join that circle, thinking, oh, I can get a reading from a medium. And then I realized, oh, it's for people who want to practice their skills. I thought, oh, I won't go. Two months later, this happens and I thought I'm going to go to that circle, that practice circle, and I've been in that circle since 2021, for three years. Now. I'm actually going to do that circle tonight and that's pretty much how it happened. It's not something that I I saw a connection with the spirit world, but not as a psychic medium, and it just happened and I dove into it and I've been doing readings ever since.

Lauren: 8:31

That's so cool. I haven't heard anyone just have like a sudden like, like vision or anything like that. That's so interesting.

Juan: 8:41

It's actually more common than we think. It's more common than I thought. There are other podcasts I listened to by psychic mediums and there are one or two podcast hosts that I've learned had a similar experience, especially around the age of 30, something about the age of 30. And also it seemed like so much was happening in 2020. And many people had so much time to actually reflect and maybe come back to their soul, come back to focusing on their soul journey, and had these realizations Like an awakening?

Frank: 9:09

Yeah, that's what I've been saying Once I turned 30, it's going to be.

Lauren: 9:14

You just need a couple more years. Yeah, that's all, and then when you turn 30.

Frank: 9:18

Yeah, I'm going to be 40.

Lauren: 9:19

You're far from turning 30.

Juan: 9:20

You have so much time ahead of you. That's cool 30.

Frank: 9:25

I have so much time ahead of you. That's cool. So since then, how has your mediumship abilities developed, like how does it present for you?

Juan: 9:29

Yeah, I quickly learned that the way I receive information is, I get these images in my head. So what I just described to you of feeling the pain, it wasn't excruciating pain, but just feeling a sensation related to how that person passed that I was talking about. That actually hasn't happened since then. Where I feel physical sensation, it's very rare. So I more get images related to an object or a symbol that they want to convey to the person I'm talking to, or they'll more than anything this is what happens. They'll make me feel their personality. So, were they funny? Were they shy and reserved? Did they have a potty mouth? I've had spirit. So, were they funny? Were they shy and reserved? Did they have a potty mouth? I've had spirit. Maybe want to say a curse word as a joke, you know, did they? Were they more on the?

Juan: 10:20

When I say aggressive, not in an abusive way, just like more of an aggressive personality? This is where it gets a little bit in the weeds. The more I focused on my own, as the phrase goes, healing journey, which is a phrase often used, uh, and more more focusing on taking care of myself and not just giving readings to people, but actually coming to readings from a heart centered approach which involves myself healing and my self work. My readings have gotten, I think, if I may say like, better, deeper, I think, more emotionally connected for the people I'm reading. So that's been the gist of my journey is in terms of, like, technically, how I receive information, what I describe, and then I think, in terms of the quality of my readings, they just get better the more I work on myself and the more I'm honest with myself about my own journey as a soul living in this human body.

Lauren: 11:10

Yeah, yeah, Were you, I mean, the first time it happened? Were you kind of freaked out or were you like, well, this is interesting. I mean it's kind of helpful that it was with a friend, right?

Juan: 11:21

Yeah, what's kind of funny is I'm sure you're familiar with this, since we were using the zoom platform to do this but if you don't pay for zoom, it locks you out of a call after 45 minutes, right? What's funny is that reading I have had with my friend, it um locked us out because we reached the 45 minutes, so I never actually got to finish the reading, like complete it, with her. And then these things started happening and and when I when I use the phrase freaked out, it wasn't so much that I was scared, I actually felt like I'm not worthy of doing this, like I'm not worthy enough to be some some kind of conduit or channel to do this. I really felt like this is above my spirit, spirit's enlightenment grade.

Lauren: 12:06

I don't know how to explain it, but I actually felt very.

Juan: 12:10

I felt very humbled and like who am I to deliver this message to? I know it's my friend, but this is something really. Number one if I wasn't careful, I could re-traumatize my friend because of how this person passed, even if they hadn't passed the way they did, just re-traumatizing them. And number two what if I, what I, what I wanted to share with her, that I was getting? What if it was completely wrong? And that's where I thought like I don't know how to do this and who am I to do it. But I honestly think that's the work I had to do is to learn I am worthy of doing this. We all are worthy of doing that. So that's that was. My first reaction was not fear, but just more like why is this happening to me? And more from a place of I'm not perfect.

Lauren: 13:00

Like this is too. This is too big for me to handle. Or like this is I'm not. Yeah, that's so interesting. Like who?

Juan: 13:07

am I to do this? Yeah?

Frank: 13:09

Yeah, but also at the same time, like that shows how much you respect the the process. Yeah, and you know, I I would feel the same way. I'd be like oh man, I don't want to like. Someone is in a very vulnerable spot and they're they're counting on you to to help them. You know, hold their hand and walk them through it.

Lauren: 13:26

And that feels like sacred, like intimate information or yeah Right, it's delicate.

Frank: 13:32

I just watched one of your videos on Instagram where you talking about how how you know people who come to you as a client like they're a paying client. This is a reading for them. You have to work with their language and their comfort level so that they, you know, feel safe in your hands to a certain extent.

Juan: 13:50

Yeah, absolutely, and I'm always learning. I mean, if I'm not careful or the next psychic medium isn't careful, we could really do damage to somebody. If we say something, because it is possible for us to receive information that is accurate, but then because of the way like the way I may interpret the same information could be different from the way like you interpret, the next person interprets it, and if someone like myself gets very I'm gonna use a buzzword these days, but very easily triggered by something spirit is bringing through and I immediately think of something negative yeah, and I relay through that filter I could really do damage to somebody in their healing journey. And so there's a responsibility as a psychic medium to be a good communicator, to be honest, but to know how to communicate something in a way that's going to serve their healing, not leave them with so many questions.

Frank: 14:43

It is funny too, because that's one of the things that we've discovered on this journey. A lot of this stuff, you know you, you are acting as a conduit, you are a filter, and if you have kind of a negative approach on on things or negative outlook on life, that's going to come through in your readings too. And even today I had Lauren pull some tarot cards for me. I pulled the devil today and I didn't panic, I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense actually, and and a lot of it, because you know the devil card, depending on how you read it, can have a lot to do with, you know, self-doubt or feeling deserving, a lot of what we're talking about right now. Yeah, and I'm in the middle of a couple of projects where that kind of makes sense. I need to have like a positive outlook on what I can accomplish and stuff like that. But someone walks into that, you know, like the movies do, and you pull the devil card like, oh, that means that you have a serious problem and something's in your house and you.

Lauren: 15:34

We need to remove the curse.

Juan: 15:37

Yeah, it's like the angel, the angel numbers six, six, six. You know, growing up Christian myself and I was once a born again Christian. That's a whole other story. You know six. You know growing up christian myself and I was once a boarding and christian. That's a whole other story. Um, you know, 666 to me.

Juan: 15:47

I have that filter still in the back of my head of my subconscious of, oh, not a great number, right? Um, but I wasn't. I was actually in an angel numbers uh workshop at this spot called earth angel crystal here in new york city, where I I work on the weekends now, and uh, she was my mentor, who owns the shop, was going through what do people think when they see 666? And, of course, people like the devil, demons, evil. And she said, well, the number six and I believe, if I get this right, actually means major transformation, a major shift, and it's because of it's like how here in the united states, a white rose means one thing, right, but in I think it's in japan white roses are used, they're used for funerals.

Juan: 16:27

So our culture dictates so much how we see colors, certain colors blue for boy, pink for girl whereas in other cultures that may not be the case. So yeah, that's why, as psychic mediums and as psychics, whether we're reading cards bringing forward the deceased, we have to be aware of our cultural lenses, because the way we see the world in colors and numbers are not the way the whole world sees it.

Lauren: 16:46

Yeah, right, right. Well, that also goes back to like what we talk about lately is like ego and how your ego kind of puts a symbolism on something or meaning onto something, or how your personality can kind of change the meaning of something completely. Your personality can kind of change the meaning of something completely.

Frank: 17:05

Yeah.

Lauren: 17:05

That's so interesting.

Frank: 17:06

So let me ask you you've you? You officially dove into this like three years ago, right? Yes, Correct, okay, do you? Are you still in PR?

Juan: 17:21

Actually, yes, I am. My day job is my nine to five day job is doing public relations at a nonprofit. Um, I've done some freelance PR work. A couple of years ago, actually, funny enough, it was for a tarot card reader I did PR for before I even did any of this. But, yes, answer to your question. Yes, I still do PR.

Frank: 17:37

Yeah, so how does your nine to five do they know that you do mediumship readings too?

Juan: 17:41

you do mediumship readings too. One coworker, maybe two, know that I do. I do keep it separate, but that's something that I'm. It's a topic that I'm always thinking about because I do want to show up authentically wherever I step. And, honestly, if work tomorrow was to find out and my boss was to find out I do this, I'd be like, yeah, I do. I mean, if you have a problem with it, you know I get it.

Juan: 18:06

It's not for everybody, so I'm not, I'm not really here to to tell my job like, hey, I do this on the side, or I, I'm a psychic medium, cause number one I feel like it would draw attention towards me that I wouldn't want. And also there's so much um, so many preconceived notions about what it means to be a psychic, what it means to be a medium. And yeah, I'll be honest, I'm going to be fully human and vulnerable. There's a part of me that feels like will they evaluate me differently, judge me differently if they find out I do this? Because there are definitely people, just based on conversations I've had at work, that are not open to this. And what if that reflects badly on me?

Juan: 18:44

And I wish I could say I'm a, I give no Fs and I'm going to be proud You're fully proud I'm going to go out there. But I'm a human. I got to make, I got to pay my bills, I got to be smart about how I present myself in the world and I don't I don't feel badly about that. I don't feel bad about that, I mean, but it's something that's always on my mind. I think I'm slowly actually work does know I read cards, but not that I do it as a profession. Okay, and they don't know that I speak to the deceased either. So I've been like slowly. This was two months ago. They found out I kind of shared it in like a fun fact icebreaker meeting, yeah, so I'm slowly introducing it, but I'm comfortable keeping them separate for now.

Frank: 19:26

Has anybody asked you any follow-up questions on that, like, wait, you do what.

Juan: 19:29

Yeah, actually no, which I'm okay with, yeah.

Lauren: 19:34

No one's been like, so can you read my cards.

Juan: 19:42

I know, right, and I can't tell you how many times I'm a single guy and I'm on dating apps, I'm going on dates and I've had a few like, oh, you know what I'm thinking. Like no, and I don't want to know what you're thinking right now. Um, I did have. I was part of a theater program, a production, a couple months ago and, um, someone said, oh, for our cast party, can you do readings? And I said no, like I'm sorry, I you know where there's alcohol. I'm going to keep it separate. So I've learned to set boundaries, to say you know, hey, you know, now's not the time for a reading. I can give you like one sentence of what I'm feeling, like just a sentence, but let's like I'm not a party check kind of thing.

Lauren: 20:15

Yeah, right, right.

Juan: 20:16

It's different if someone books me for a party or a group. And even then I had someone asked me to do a party for Valentine's day to do card readings, and I, the stipulation was, um, if they're inebriated I will not read them. Like they have to come to the table, not out of their wits, and look, I love a good drink myself. But again this goes back to that respect. You know, when people just kind of say, oh, you're a reader, what, what's, what's, what's my love life? And they just asked me a question.

Frank: 20:46

Yeah, I've learned to set those boundaries in a gentle way, yeah, yeah, and back to back to work too. Like you know, I've learned many times the hard way that human resources are not your friend. And you know, if someone there's no policies around this, if someone decides that they don't like that they're going to, there's going gonna be a certain amount of discrimination and it's a bummer, but it's just, it's just the truth.

Lauren: 21:07

So I totally get that yeah, I mean, that's like the. Our whole conversation a lot of times is just talking about de-stigmatizing this kind of thing, but there's still so much stigma around it, like so many people that are like, oh, that's what your podcast is about. Or like, oh, you talked to, you got that information from a medium. Okay, you know immediately they just don't believe you.

Juan: 21:35

The other day, actually I was. I'm very, I'm a very open book. So I'm mentioning my dating life again I met someone on a dating app. We exchanged numbers and he asked me what do you do? I said nonprofit PR at a nonprofit. I'm also psychic medium.

Juan: 21:48

And he said you know, I don't. He told me I don't really believe in that stuff. You know, I don't mean to be disrespectful, especially if it's a passion of yours, and I appreciate that. He said that. And then I said you know, as long as you respect you, don't have to believe in it. It's fine Knowing this.

Juan: 22:07

Are you comfortable with going out for coffee still on Saturday? No answer the next day. And I'm thinking, listen, my time is precious. I asked him hey, just want to check in, you're still cool. And he said I thought about it. I just don't think it will work out for a relationship. He said I've dated a psychic medium before and I thought what are the odds of that? And so he just he felt uncomfortable and I don't think I didn't take offense by that, because everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I don't think that my way is the only right way. I don't think everyone needs to see a psychic medium. In fact, no one should ever feel like they need to see a medium to talk to their deceased loved ones. The purpose of me doing what I do is to remind you that you can do it yourself, and they're there, and so, whether it's someone believes in what I do or doesn't believe in what I do, it would be only my ego that would care so much about that.

Lauren: 22:59

Wanting to prove him right.

Juan: 23:01

Or prove him wrong, right yeah.

Frank: 23:06

You don't believe in that kind of stuff. Let me do a reading.

Juan: 23:10

We'll wrap it out of a hat, your favorite color is yellow.

Lauren: 23:14

No, actually, but if he's dated someone that was a psychic medium, someone's trying to show him something he's just a little closed off.

Juan: 23:27

Yeah, maybe I don't know. I don't know. That's for him and his guys to determine. I won't get into it.

Lauren: 23:34

Yeah, that's his journey, but I do wish that you could have been like you. Don't believe me, let me. Let me tell you something about your, your grandmother.

Juan: 23:44

I actually spoke to a colleague about this once and he said to a date we don't have to believe in it for it to be real. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't, I don't know if I would even say that I think that's funny, I think it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious, I think I've used that.

Frank: 24:01

I've used that with things before too. Yeah, I'd said like, hey, you don't have to build it into your belief system, but this is actually happening, so join the party when you want to.

Lauren: 24:09

Right, yeah, yeah. So just talking about like mediumship versus psychic, has your psychic ability increased?

Juan: 24:20

That's a very interesting question because that's also been on my mind recently. So over the past year I've been leaning more into the mediumship part of what I do. I just I enjoy it so much and I will never stop reading cards or working as a psychic as well, but I just love mediumship. But what's interesting is the more time passes by, the more I'm starting to feel that I actually don't need the cards to do a psychic reading, and I haven't done that yet with clients. So I think also, the more that I develop as a medium, it's also helping my psychic abilities. I can't put my finger on it, but I think what's similar about being a psychic versus being a medium is that you're working with symbols, you're working with cues, right, yeah? And so, like the tarot cards are my visual symbols and cues to what your guides want to say to me or what your energy wants to say to me, and a mediumship reading a symbol of a blue blanket is telling me it's either baby boy, maybe it's a hospital blanket. So it's all working with cues and symbols and I feel like that's where those two different abilities kind of play off of each other and help each other and how I develop in each area. So, with my psychic abilities, I've learned over time that, okay, these cards, I may not even need them, because I'm getting these cues just from reading someone's energy.

Juan: 25:45

And I think there's a lot to say and not everyone would agree with this that I believe we're all psychic number one. I believe we all have that ability. The propensity may be different person to person. I always say I love Adele as a singer, I love Lady Gaga as a singer. They both sound very different, but to me they're both good singers. Someone's psychic ability maybe tarot cards, maybe runes you have to find your thing right but I do think that the underlying, the current that cuts across it all, is this I believe this intrinsic, natural psychic ability and I think we could all tap into that without these things to help us. But I think these things that do help us, um, well, period, they help us. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, does that? I'm not sure if I saw it go here. Yeah, no, that's a great answer.

Lauren: 26:33

Let's. Yeah, I mean the, the cards, the tarot cards are a tool that helps enhance your intuition, like okay, well, you know. And also like being able to pick up on symbols and what does that mean?

Frank: 26:48

and then really being able to listen and it's also pretty interesting that you I think you're the first practicing psychic medium that we've spoken to who actually uses the cards in that way, I think yeah which is really cool. So you, you kind of use that as your your visual cue and then you do, you think it like puts you in a state where you're more vulnerable and receptive to interpretation, or how does it? How exactly does it work for you? What does that? What does it turn on for you?

Juan: 27:16

the cards yeah, the cards. Um, well, I actually I would kind of what you were just saying about that feeling of vulnerability. I would say that I feel more vulnerable. If you tell me, do a psychic reading and don't use cards, part of me would freak out a little bit, because the cards are a tool that I've relied on so much, sure. So when I use the cards, I think two things happen.

Juan: 27:40

It can happen either one I see the card, whether it's the number on the card, the figures in the card, the colors on the card, what the card, whether it's the temperance card or this card, that it, those elements of the card, the visual elements may cue something in my brain like oh, uh, the ace, uh, the ace of cups. Um, this is something with an emotional shift. Right, that's how I would interpret that card. So that may happen. Or the ace of cups may pop up and emilia get the image of a young man, and then it makes you want to say something about is there a young man in your life who has caused a lot of emotional trouble for you? So it's not really a, it's really case by case. It's hard to explain because someone once said on a podcast this medium, uh, who also reached Oracle cards. She said when you get your first deck, well, she said, throw away the guidebook, don't ever look at it, and just see what you feel looking at the cards.

Juan: 28:42

I wanted to look at my guidebook once and I wrote notes. I have like I still have my notebook somewhere for each card. I wrote the meaning just to memorize it, and then I didn't look at it ever again. And it's been three years since I've looked at a guidebook, because now I feel like I know the language of the cards. Oh, this is ooh.

Juan: 28:58

I'm going to start using this as a metaphor now. It's like when you learn the English language but not every author is going to write the same way they're going to use the words of the English language to tell the story they want to tell. That's how I see the cards. We learn the cards once we learn the language, and then my suggestion is don't look at the guidebook again. I use a language that you've memorized, that you've learned, and use it to form your own style of reading the card. So that's what happens with me. I could I may literally look at the card and literally pick up on something that the card is queuing visually at my brain or just something else will pop up. Because of something. The card just triggers a memory of mine or trigger some new image that I haven't seen before.

Frank: 29:43

Yeah.

Juan: 29:43

No one has ever asked me that question. I never really thought of it.

Frank: 29:48

Juan, are you telling me that there's no right way to do this?

Juan: 29:53

Absolutely. And as much as that annoys people, there's no right way to do it, but that's the beauty of it. And as much as that annoys people, there's no right way to do it, but that's the beauty of it. It's like again, I think there's a reason there are so many psychics out there, so many mediums out there, because each person should and that does have their personal style, and it's about finding the psychic, the medium that resonates with you. There are people that may see me and think I don't like the way he reads, and that's okay, that's fine, because I have my own way of communicating and picking up on those cues. So, yeah, there's. No, I don't think there's any right or wrong.

Lauren: 30:26

So does your dad still read tarot cards? Did he do it for fun or as a profession?

Juan: 30:33

He doesn't do it anymore, and I don't know why.

Frank: 30:35

I was going to say his papa proud.

Juan: 30:39

He thinks it's very cool. He's leaning more into the Judeo-Christian tradition, which is fine, and he's still a very open-minded person and he thinks it's cool that I do this. He even told me a couple of years ago and I was surprised, given where he's headed spiritually. He said, oh, I can teach you if you want me to. I said, oh, no, that's cool. Thank you, I appreciate it. I'll just look at this guidebook and throw it away.

Lauren: 31:00

Never look at it again.

Juan: 31:08

Yeah, but I remember him doing readings over the phone for friends of friends when I was a teenager, and then he just stopped. He was very, very good at it.

Lauren: 31:12

And then your sibling that sees spirits. Is that a consistent thing?

Juan: 31:18

My sibling. They at least don't tell me that they still experience those things. I do think that it came to a point where they started blocking those things out. Okay, um, but when we were, we lived in the same house growing up as kids. Um, they would, they would. I remember they saw a woman in a purple flower dress, a little boy, an older man sitting on the couch, and then I think they were so freaked out by it that they just blocked it out. I don't know if they still experience things. I think once in a while they do, but it's way less often than it used to be.

Frank: 31:54

So you're carrying the torch now.

Juan: 31:56

Yeah, no pressure. You're carrying the torch now. Yeah, no pressure. But see, what's funny is I've always told Spirit because I don't see people walking around behind their loved ones in the physical world. I don't see people's grandparents when I go into a store and sometimes I wish I could see them, like my sibling used to. But then I also wonder am I at a point in my journey where, if I were to see that, would I absolutely lose? I don't know if I can curse, but lose my crap yeah, would I lose it?

Juan: 32:27

um, so I think spirit is very intelligent. They know when someone is ready for something. What's funny is, uh, the more I've developed, especially in the last few months, I feel like things have kind of skyrocketed. I I've been starting to feel presences just pop up and I don't see them. But it's like the feeling of someone just walked in the room and I want to look up and see and there's no one there. So I think it goes in waves. I think, like I said, spirit knows when we're ready for something and spirit sometimes wants to show a little kid, like they did my brother.

Juan: 32:58

I mean, I don't know what the reason is behind, why spirit does what it does, but I know there's a reason why I don't see them often. But my sibling didn't want to see them was seeing them, yeah.

Frank: 33:08

Yeah, that is so interesting. So one you I was talking about how you know you've been doing this for three years and you seem, from talking to you, you seem like you're making strides or you fully leaned into this. What has been the most helpful to your development?

Juan: 33:24

It's going to sound cheesy but I swear it has helped me and I think it is key to anybody's spiritual journey and I've alluded I alluded to before it was my self healing journey, so I'll explain a little bit. Um, I mentioned a metaphysical healing center and shop called earth angel crystal a couple couple some minutes ago and I stepped into that place a year ago now when it first opened and I met the owner and we vied very well and I told her that I'm where I work as a psychic medium and by that point I had worked two-ish years virtually doing readings and she told me that she does spiritual mentorship and mediumistic mentorship. So I took her up on that and she told me, based on our conversations together, juan, you have a lot of limiting beliefs and you have a low sense of self-worth and for you to be the best you can be as a psychic and as a medium, you need to work on healing the inner child, juan, and these parts of yourself that feel like you're not worthy of something and I'm like what the heck. Does that have to do with talking to the dead? Yeah, because I'm up to that point. I just told I would tell myself remove myself completely from the reading and just point. I just told. I would tell myself, remove myself completely from the reading and just channel what's coming through. And I would tell myself, like think hard what's coming through, think hard what's coming through, what's coming into your head and through this, this mentorship with her name is Daisy, uh, she, she taught me to, but that by focusing on healing that inner child part of myself that was told you're not good enough, you're too. You're I.

Juan: 35:04

I grew up with a lot of body images, morphia. So I was called, I was called fat, I was called chinese boy and I am part asian and I was part chinese. I was made fun of for this. I was too soft, I was too sensitive, I was too gay, I was too. This it's. She told me it's time to talk to the inner child part of yourself and tell them that what you are is okay, what you look like is okay. Regardless of what you look like, you're okay and you're safe with me, adult, me, adult version of you, holding my little child Juan self by the hand and saying listen, the adults around you maybe didn't lift you up or just wanted you to get the straight A's and be a doctor or lawyer, engineer, and didn't want to hear you say you wanted to sing and dance and write music. We can do that now. We can do that together now.

Juan: 35:53

And let me tell you, like I said, I thought what the heck does that have to do with my mediumship? It was pretty seismic. It really shifted something in me and between that mentorship and learning those things about myself and how to work on myself that way, between that and some life circumstances in the last year I and it's so weird for me to say still, but I think it should be normalized saying this, uh for anybody to say it I love myself way more than I did a year ago and I appreciate myself and who I am today more than like. If you were talking to me a year ago, I wouldn't be mentioning any of this like self-healing because I would have thought it was not valuable by any means. But I do think that we all owe it to ourselves to heal those parts of ourselves that want to talk negatively at us, that want to be that icky voice and I do. I have noticed and now bring it back to how that taught me my development.

Juan: 36:53

I come to readings from a heart centered approach now and instead of reading, and is going back to what I was saying about thinking and trying to think what's, what's coming into my head from spirit, taking it from my head and into my heart? What is spirit wanting to make me feel? What is their personality making me feel? And my readings have gotten better, because I approach readings not from thinking, thinking, thinking, but more from feeling and feeling the presence, feeling the emotions. And if they're showing me a memory, what does that memory feel like? Because I think more than anything. I think it's a Maya Angelou quote People will remember more than any. I'm going to paraphrase it We'll remember more than anything else.

Juan: 37:36

Someone made us feel more than what they said to us, and words have feelings too.

Juan: 37:41

Right, when someone says something, it makes us feel something.

Juan: 37:44

But that's the common denominator with our life experience is we remember how things feel when they happen to us. And so, because I've worked on my heart and healing that part of myself, I'm not feeling like like, oh, it's so uncomfortable to feel these things because I was uncomfortable within myself to feel what I needed to feel. So now, when spirit wants to make me feel something, I don't, my subconscious doesn't think oh, we're not going there. Let me just think, yeah, so getting out of my head and more into my heart. Well, sorry, when the main thing I want to say and I don't mean to make you emotional, but the main thing I want to say is we all deserve to experience that, we all deserve to um and I I think it's something on social media has become to this point cheesy but we all deserve to heal that part of ourselves. It is that childlike self, because by doing that we can show up in the getting emotional Nope, no, no emotions, I'm not going to feel anything. It helps a lot to show vulnerably as a psychic.

Lauren: 39:23

Yeah, well, here I am being vulnerable, tears rolling down my face.

Frank: 39:27

I'm sending you a lot of love right now.

Lauren: 39:30

It's just the like. No, it's the exact like. It's really lovely to hear because I'm on that same journey. So sorry, no, give me a second you deserve that journey. You deserve it. I'm not going to apologize for my vulnerability.

Juan: 39:48

And I'll stop apologizing for making you cry.

Lauren: 39:50

No, it's great, it's great, it's great, it's so like the, the telling your, your, your inner child I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'll give Lauren a second.

Juan: 40:01

I think the world would be a better place if we all talk to our inner child in a loving way.

Frank: 40:06

I had never heard that before and you made me a little choked up for a second too. But then looking over to Lauren and seeing tears streaming down her face is pretty funny.

Lauren: 40:17

Just hearing you say, like you're safe, you're safe with me, like, oh, that's so sweet.

Frank: 40:23

Yeah, yeah, and also a lot like like you bud, the, for me, the, you know all that that I've been told many times that I have a lot of like negative self-talk, but I'm not fully aware of it and I think it's because I, on a logical level, have like turned it off and haven't addressed it. And then, when it comes to like trying to, you know we're, we're very, in a very casual way, working on our own uh, psychic development, because it's, it's the assumption is that, oh, it's psychic, it's the magic that's happening inside your brain that you're perceiving, but inside your brain that you're perceiving, but really it's a whole body experience being open to these things, you can't just turn part of you off and not address something that you clearly have to work through.

Frank: 41:06

You know yeah.

Juan: 41:07

And one more thing I would like to say is we are meant to live in these human bodies for a reason. If we were not meant to experience all the human emotions and the baggage, we would have just stayed in heaven and not ever be born right. We'd just be living in bliss all the time I do. My personal belief is that I do personally believe that we are meant our soul journeys. They're meant to happen so we can experience what it is like to be in a physical world and experience these things. That may be a controversial opinion, but I know that everything in my life that has been really ugly, that has really hurt me.

Juan: 41:42

I would not be where I am today if the domino was placed just a little slightly to the left or to the right. And yeah, I think that we have to acknowledge as psychic mediums, as humans, that if we're going to channel spirit or read somebody's energy, we're using our voice box, using our brains. To a certain point, we're using our feelings, we're using our bodies to do that. There is a filter. We just have to work how to. We have to learn how to work with that human filter we have. The goal is not perfection, it's, it's progress. And look, I had a breakup three months ago and that breakup threw me for a loop and and I w I left that break of that relationship feeling more self-love than I did in past breakups Absolutely did. But of course I have my days where I want to eat a pint of Ben and Jerry's.

Frank: 42:31

I'll be like oh, and you know.

Juan: 42:35

I I want to emphasize that this is not about perfection. I'm not here saying that I've made it to the mountaintop. I'm never coming back down like this. There's going to be days where I feel like it's a roller coaster and those old voices come back, and that's okay and I think it's good to be as real as possible. I think there's a lot of. I mean, there's so much on social media out there in the world that says you don't have enough of this, you should buy this, or you are not enough of this, you should be this. And social media, I think, has this image of look at this perfect life. I'm living as a shaman, uh, with my stage all around me with crystal bowls Like that's lovely.

Juan: 43:10

I'm not judging it. I have my sound bowls, have my sage, I have my Palo Santo, but I think there's a lot of space to be more real than that. We are all on a journey and everyone I believe everyone has experienced something that hurts, and that's okay. Let's be real about it.

Lauren: 43:24

Yeah, that helps other people not feel so like isolated too. Yeah.

Frank: 43:29

All those, all those the crystal girls, the crystal girls on Instagram sitting down with the crystal balls and looking like they never stand up. I know sometimes they get up and take a big dump and I just want to put that out there. I see you.

Juan: 43:44

I was not expecting that and I'm here for it. Yes, yes, we never are Psychics. Use the bathroom too. We fart too.

Lauren: 43:55

Frank is always good for at least one poop joke, or yeah, real highbr, real high it's like the old joke like girls don't poop.

Juan: 44:03

Yeah, psychics don't. You know, psychics don't eat burgers and fries.

Frank: 44:07

Yes, I do, yes, I do so so tell us about your podcast a little bit. You've been doing it for a while and there's a lot of episodes yeah, I.

Juan: 44:17

So, okay, number one, I'm not super married to astrological signs in their meetings. I find it very interesting, but I will say I'm a true gemini because I love to talk a lot. So during the pandemic during 2020, I actually toyed at the idea of having a podcast and it was going to be about, um, just random topics I find interesting. Uh, I've already forgot what the topics were. I I had four episodes gave up on it and then this terror reading happened, where the soul came through and I felt what I was feeling. And within a month of that happening, I thought wait, if this can happen to me and I'm just realizing this at that age that I would think was 28, then maybe this can happen for other people too, and maybe this has happened to other people. And also, I love the paranormal, the supernatural talking about it. So I I created my podcast, third eyesight, so that it was kind of it was to help myself, yeah, and kind of like a dude.

Juan: 45:12

Yes, I know, yeah, yeah, exactly what you do you point what you were saying about your podcast? It was to help myself myself to understand ghosts, understand Ouija boards Are they good, are they bad? To understand psychic abilities, and I was very honest from the beginning of my podcast that I had this realization and I want to explore it. And I also wanted to talk to other people, whether they're working psychics or not, about their experiences. And I've had people who've had near death experiences on my podcast, who do not practice a psychics. I've had people who just have a ghost story to tell and I want to hear what they have to say. And I've had people who say I don't believe in this stuff, but I experienced this thing and I don't know how to explain it. And they tell their story.

Frank: 45:55

Those people are the best.

Juan: 46:00

They're very funny to me.

Juan: 46:00

Yeah, I think that I think that, like those people and their stories say, that says so much about like, I really believe there are more people than we think who have experienced something out of the ordinary that they can't explain.

Juan: 46:11

They don't have to call it god, they don't have to call it ghosts, but they've experienced something and it's a universal thing. I mean, how many times have we heard of I don't know if you know about this Renaissance painting where there is a what we would think today is a UFO painted in the background. It's a painting of the mother Mary and Jesus and what is that thing in the sky? And we can say, maybe it's a God car that they just thought of. Let God drives a metallic. I don't know, but there's something in the sky. So this has been a universal, like the paranormal has been a universal experience for ages. Yeah, and so the goal of my podcast was to ask the questions, explore my own journey through the podcast and, to your point, the goal of your podcast due to destigmatize talking about this, because I think it's more common than we think.

Frank: 47:01

It's way more common. Yeah, we had a whole episode about that.

Lauren: 47:05

We went to Venice and started asking strangers. It was called what's your Thing, because we kind of started realizing everybody has a thing or a story, or like you open it up and they're like, well, actually there was this one time, yeah.

Frank: 47:20

Yeah, if you ever come out to LA, you should join us on one of these excursions, because it is quite funny, because it's a day of rejection yeah but I feel like rejection, I feel like as soon as I feel like you'd get going. You'd be good at talking to people about it too. You should come out with us sometime I'll totally take you up on that.

Frank: 47:36

That sounds like a lot of fun and and, honestly, like I don't know why, I don't know if it's just ven, but like throw a stone you'll hit a psychic. We were like what is going on? We keep getting psychics. I think there's a lot of people out there with abilities that just don't practice or I don't know what it is, but just not fully open about it.

Juan: 47:54

It's similar in in Long Island, and not just because of Long Island medium, but I learned that she isn't the only one. There are many, many psychics in Long Island. I don't know if it's because it's surrounded by water. If it's water, I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's very interesting.

Frank: 48:12

Yeah, oh my gosh. So I mean it's so funny because, yeah, man, I mean, if there are psychics everywhere, it seems like it should be a very normal thing and, as we have all discovered, it is a very normal thing. And it's a very normal thing that we don't talk about in a very normal way.

Juan: 48:28

I have a good friend from college and she told me we were in college very devout Catholic a couple years younger than I am a very, very devout Catholic doesn't believe in this stuff. And she told me Juan, I swear I dreamt about you before I met you. Like really.

Juan: 48:46

She says yeah, I had a dream that I was texting you, your name was Juan. I had a dream that I was talking to you. I dreamt about you before I met you, and this is someone who is a devout Catholic would not believe in any of this woo stuff. It really wouldn't be. It was surprising to hear that from her, but she says she did.

Lauren: 49:09

Sure that from her, but she says she did sure. So more common than we think. Oh man, that's fun, you're also a performer. So yeah, like I mean, you do a lot of stuff. It's like really fun. Do you sing or what? What do you do?

Juan: 49:18

so I realize I'm publicist, psychic performer, the three p's, amazing, whatever that means, but, um. So, actually going back to the inner child work, I told you about um being in this theater production for the last three months was part of the inner child work. I grew up wanting to be a performer. Um, I, I do sing. I sang growing up in like choir and uh was on opera as a for a little bit as a child.

Juan: 49:43

Um, part of the city chorus, a lot of singing, and I wanted to pursue actually musical composition and songwriting in college, um, but I had a parent who was like nope, if you're gonna do that, you're leaving the house. Oh man, uh. And so I was. I ended up being an english major, um, so I got to use those writing skills, go, still. But, yeah, I, there is a creative in me and and the way that I wanted to live that out after all this inner child work was okay, like there's a part of me that I'm going to call it. You ever heard of the book the the artist's way by Julia Cameron?

Frank: 50:19

Yep, and we've got a copy here.

Lauren: 50:20

Yeah, I haven't gotten all the way through it, but yes, I keep trying to do it.

Juan: 50:24

Yeah, it haven't gotten all the way through it, but, yes, I keep trying to do it. It's a great book and yeah, it's, it's great, it is, it's pretty um, when I say dense, like there's a lot of, there's a lot of reflection involved in reading that book. But I read it a couple of years ago with a book club, uh, that was focused on just that book and I remember just her talking about the sense of play, the attitude of play, play and after the inner child work I did that, I'm still doing, always going to do I thought, okay, what is the, the play, the sense of play that my inner child wants to do? My inner child wanted to dance, act and sing. So I was in a musical the last three months and I did it and I had had so much fun and I definitely want to do it again, uh, and then that was my first time being in a had been in theater productions before where there were more clothes and not so much like open to the public. They're for, like, a certain group of people, and this was my first time being something open to the public.

Juan: 51:15

Um, in my adulthood, what was the musical? It's called the drowsy chaperone. It won the tony, I think, in the. It's like one of those plays that are musicals that survived like three years and then was off, came off Broadway, um, and so it was super silly. It was set in the 1920s, um, I played the best man of the wedding and it was so fun. A lot of dancing got. I had to wear a suit the whole time dancing, but I had so much fun and it ran for a week, um, and I think that experience really, really taught me I need to do more of this because, um, this makes me happy to do that, to incorporate that into my life, that's fantastic dude wow, that's great.

Lauren: 51:53

That's so great to hear. It's inspiring too like yeah literally was just thinking of all this like inner child stuff earlier today. I'm listening your sign it's exactly yeah, and the artist way goes into that too.

Juan: 52:07

The inner child like. That sense of play is what we like. That's what made us want to I don't know, uh, get our barbie dolls or our dolls and pretend that it's. Uh, they're on a roller coaster like we. Just the imagination, part of us, imagineative part of us, just wants to play. And I think, as adults, in this culture we live in, we're taught to oh, that's silly. Don't make a random clay pot. Why do you want to do it? How is that productive?

Frank: 52:33

This culture we live in. I think this needs to be productive.

Juan: 52:36

Yeah, this needs to be productive. It may be efficient, but it doesn't feed us all the time, and I think it's moments like theater or dance or you want to do I don't care if it's paint and sip with your girlfriends like something that's gonna bring you out of that, I out of that.

Frank: 52:51

I have to be productive mode yeah, yeah yeah, I agree, and as the least productive person of this household, I completely agree that's, that's untrue. Um quick question, and I don't want to get into it because we're really not here for this but what did you land on with the Ouija thing? Good or bad? I can't? Even you can't say good or bad with Ouija. I know it's more complicated than that.

Juan: 53:14

You may not like my answer, which is I'm a little like indecisive about it.

Juan: 53:18

And I'm actually going to do a podcast episode focused on it in a month from now. I haven't recorded yet. We'll see. Um, but here's the thing I I grew up with learning that ouija boards are bad. Don't do them. Uh, my, I remember one of my uncles told me that as a teenager he used the ouija board with a friend and what happened in his friend's house was not cool. It was they, it was bad. Um, I remember playing with the Ouija board when I was very young with neighborhood kids. Some kid had it. Nothing happened after that, after we played with the Ouija board, but my mother was like ah, you're not doing that again.

Juan: 53:56

So I've grown up with this idea about Ouija boards. Right, I think that's important to acknowledge. There are some psychic mediums that I know or that I've listened to who use they call them spirit boards. Sure, I think Ouija is the brand. Oh, got it. The branded board, I don't know. Mattel, I'm not sure. Yeah, the designer board, I don't know, but the one we see, well, I was going to say in Toys R Us, but I just dated us.

Frank: 54:22

No, you know, we carried a couple copies at circuit city too. It's fine yeah.

Juan: 54:27

So there are psychic mediums that I know who use spirit boards and they say it's like, as long as you go with the good, good intention, it's safe. So I think I am leaning more towards the intention matters. If you want to make a game out of connecting with the dead, you're gonna get a game back okay game back.

Juan: 54:44

They're gonna game with you too and play around with that makes sense um, but if you go in with you know, I want to learn something out of this because, listen, people have told me that myself I'm working as a psychic medium, that I'm toying with something bad right or I could be bringing something in that's evil.

Juan: 54:59

But I know that my intention going into a reading is only for the highest good. That's what I I aim for, and if something bad comes, you better believe I'm going to cleanse it out to the best of my ability. And tarot cards I used to. I used to think tarot cards when I was a born again Christian began a very long story for another day. I thought all this stuff was evil. Was it devil's work? Here I am reading tarot. I'm gay and I'm psychic. I call that double whammy for my former board of gang.

Juan: 55:24

Christian. That was always gay, obviously, but it's like so you know I just take. My approach of Ouija boards and spirit boards is I'm not going to use them because I don't think I'm quite ready or feel comfortable to use them. And if I don't ever use them, I'm okay with that. But I think that the intention matters more than anything, because I know I've seen some psychics on social media who are gifted. I've talked to some who are very gifted and really have the skill down packed, but they're using their skill for not such good things that's a whole topic that I'm dying to get into.

Frank: 56:01

On this show I haven't touched mal-intentioned psychic ability people and I just I just listened to a story recently where I'm like, wait, that's out there and that's kind of horrifying yeah, and I, I don't want to get into that yet, but I'm glad you brought that up, because ever no, I want to, I want to I want to make a show I want to I want to.

Frank: 56:22

I want to do like a clairvoyaging after dark kind of thing that makes it sound like porn Never mind yeah. Not psychic porn After dark, for sure, the whole thing.

Lauren: 56:34

I know what you're dirty mind.

Frank: 56:36

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a bad boy. It seems definitely like Ouija is like I. There are people who out there who know how to use it. I feel like you gotta know what you're doing, like in a very solid way. I don't. I think for your average joe to pick up a ouija board or, I'm sorry, a spirit board is not a good idea yeah, yeah but you know, I don't know it's just like um, I've done quite a few paranormal investigations.

Juan: 57:04

I love going on paranormal investigations and I go. I attend those cause I want to learn something and I want to connect and feel if there's a connection that happens to these devices we're using. I want to feel the awesomeness of that, Like, oh, how cool is that.

Lauren: 57:18

Yeah.

Juan: 57:19

There are some, uh, ghost hunters that term I don't use that term usually but like criminal investigators on YouTube, they go into these abandoned buildings and they go you mofo, why don't you show yourself? And actually I think in I forget what culture it is. There's an Asian country where their relationship with the deceased they believe that you need to, like, rile the spirits up to get a reaction from them and that's how you get the evidence. I read that somewhere. That's a cultural thing, wow, um, I forget which country it is, but it's the same thing. I can go to a criminal investigation wanting to learn. I can go in thinking I'm going to upset these spirits so I get something on video. Very different intention same situation.

Frank: 58:02

Yeah, I think that culture is called Zach Bagans.

Juan: 58:05

Oh, yeah, oh, that's a whole other podcast, zach Bagans and Ghost Adventures. We're not afraid of you. Listen, if you told me you call me a mofo and I'm dead and you're in my house, I'm gonna scream at you too. I'm gonna scratch your back too, yeah.

Lauren: 58:22

I'm gonna throw a vase at the wall so don't complain about it oh my god one.

Frank: 58:29

Give us all your plugs, dude let us know where everyone can find you I appreciate that.

Juan: 58:34

So you can find me on instagram, juan third eye. Same thing on facebook. I don't use twitter, I use tiktok sometimes, but mostly I'm mostly on Instagram and Facebook, juan Third Eye, and my website is Juan Francisco Spirit. For those who are in the New York City, connecticut, new Jersey area, I do in-person readings here in Queens and New York City, just one stop from Grand Central Terminal. And for everyone else who can't make it in person or is outside of the region, uh, they can book a virtual appointment with me for a reading. Uh, yeah, I think, and I have my podcast, of course, third eyesight third eyesight.

Frank: 59:12

You are a delight, Absolutely, and please thank you. This was so fun. This is. This is a good time. I love this If you come out to LA, hit us, us up. We're going to go to Venice, we're going to do some weird stuff.

Juan: 59:23

Yeah absolutely I'm down for it and I could use that weather during the winter months. So maybe I'll be there in the winter months.

Lauren: 59:29

There you go.

Frank: 59:31

All right, Juan. Thank you for hanging out with us today.

Lauren: 59:33

Thank you, juan. It was so nice to talk to you so much, so great to talk to you.

Frank: 59:42

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