026: Astrology from "The Tarot Lady" // with Theresa Reed

We sat down with The Tarot Lady herself, Theresa Reed, an esteemed author and expert in the mystic arts of tarot and astrology. Theresa shares with us the transformative power of these ancient practices, weaving personal anecdotes and practical wisdom from her decades of experience. Whether discussing her inventive tarot coloring book or how moon cycles can influence our daily lives, Theresa's vibrant energy and insight promise a conversation that's as educational as it is entertaining.

As we navigate the interplay between structure and intuition in tarot readings, Theresa illustrates how a deep understanding of these tools can empower us to make informed decisions and foster self-discovery. We chat about various divination techniques, the ethical landscape of tarot reading, and the rich symbolism that guides practitioners. Theresa's perspective on respecting the tarot's messages, even when they challenge our expectations, is a testament to her dedication to the craft and the nuanced stories divination can unveil.

Theresa emphasizes the significance of embracing our astrological makeup to harness our inherent strengths and better understand our emotional needs, fostering a deeper connection with ourselves, our family members, and those around us. Join us for this enlightening exploration and discover how you too can incorporate the wisdom of tarot and astrology into your own life for a more harmonious flow.

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Transcript

Lauren: 0:02

Hey everyone. In today's episode we talked to Teresa Reed, aka the Tarot Lady. She's the author of several books, including the Cards You're Dealt, how to Deal when Life Gets Real, tarot for Kids and Astrology for Real Life, just to name a few. She also has a tarot coloring book, because she's amazing, so let's get to it. I'm your host, lauren.

Frank: 0:25

And I'm Frank.

Lauren: 0:26

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 26 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging. Presents Claire Voyaging.

Frank: 0:49

What's going on?

Lauren: 0:49

We're on a ship. We're on a ship, voyaging oh man Through the Clares.

Frank: 0:55

Listeners, welcome to another uncomfortable introduction by Frank and Lauren Usually just Lauren. We'll figure this out. No, we won't. No, we'll never figure it out what's going on today.

Lauren: 1:06

Well, a lot.

Frank: 1:07

Well, hit me.

Lauren: 1:09

Okay.

Frank: 1:10

Nope, not like that. I punched him, she did.

Lauren: 1:13

Yeah, we have a new review. Hey Lachrin wrote consistently great. One of the things I love about this podcast is that they are starting from scratch and they don't take themselves seriously. That's true. That being said, there are actual things that go bump in the night that are being revealed in modern times. Humanity is moving forward and discovering that they are really spirit beings having a human experience.

Frank: 1:45

This is an excellent podcast oh, and here here.

Lauren: 1:48

Lachrin. Thank you, thanks, lachrin, we don't take ourselves seriously, that's part of it, I guess, right.

Frank: 1:55

It is part of it. You know what Everyone takes themselves too seriously.

Lauren: 1:59

We're not experts here, we're learning.

Frank: 2:01

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Lauren: 2:06

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Frank: 2:37

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Lauren: 2:38

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Frank: 2:50

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Lauren: 2:50

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Frank: 2:56

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Lauren: 2:56

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Frank: 3:07

Yeah, okay, in big news Guys, we have an announcement, Big news. Listen, my dudes. We've talked to and learned from a lot of intuitive people and along the way I realized that I needed to get more organized and efficient with my own personal self-reflection. So I made a thing yes, you did. With spiritual minimalism in mind, I created the Claire voyaging alignment journal, so it's kind of like a self-help journal and the point of it is to assist you with your own self-discovery using four key strategies. It's gratitude, personal tenants, a development focus based on chakra work and then a little bit of space to write down any reflections you have from a meditation that's combined with a sound therapy. So, personally, I've been using the system for months and I realized at some point wait, I can make this a journal and actually share it with everybody.

Lauren: 4:04

It's so cool, it's really great.

Frank: 4:06

It's a gorgeous rich yellow color. It's a very cool journal. I like holding it. It feels nice. It's a nice feeling to hold this thing. I've never made a real tangible thing, so I'm very excited about this. It currently is available through Amazon but there's kind of a long shipping hold on that. If you want them faster, you can pre-order right now through our website and once we get it we'll send it to you right away. But we'll include a magnet and I mean, if you want, we'll sign the copy.

Lauren: 4:33

Sign it.

Frank: 4:35

Do you want that? Yeah, and full disclosure. I mean, I don't want to give any spoilers, but this might be one of multiple journals we're making what. It might even be a set of three and include everything you need.

Lauren: 4:51

Everything you need.

Frank: 4:52

And now I sip coffee to emphasize the point. Okay, go to our website, check it out wwwclarevoyagingcom.

Lauren: 5:00

Pre-order today.

Frank: 5:02

Dig in, dig into yourself, dig into the journal.

Lauren: 5:04

That's exciting. I love it. I'm very proud of you, Frank.

Frank: 5:07

Thank you.

Lauren: 5:08

Are you proud of you?

Frank: 5:09

I am proud of me and thank you for your love and support.

Lauren: 5:13

Yeah, Well, guys, today Teresa Reed.

Frank: 5:16

Teresa Reed.

Lauren: 5:18

So, as we explained in the beginning, she is amazing. She has been doing tarot and astrology for years. She is amazing. She has been doing tarot and astrology for years. She wrote the book on it. No, she wrote several books on it.

Frank: 5:29

She wrote the books on it.

Lauren: 5:30

Yeah.

Frank: 5:30

And you know what, like Teresa, she's got a very like noble attitude about all of it. Yeah, she's, she was very fun.

Lauren: 5:39

You'll like her. It's going to come through. You're going to like this one, yes, so please enjoy Teresa Reed, the Tarot Lady. So, teresa Reed, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for inviting me. We're happy to have you here. Can you just like tell us a bit about yourself and what brought you into Tarot and astrology, because I know you've been doing it for a long time.

Theresa Reed: 6:00

I have. I've been doing it for a very long time no-transcript. And she was an astrologer and she did my chart and it made a lot more sense to me than a lot of the things that my parents and teachers were telling me at the time. You know, because most teenagers, what are we doing? We're trying to figure out who we are, and astrology was like okay, well, this has given me some answers. So I began pursuing it real seriously, immediately, and I'm one of those people when I'm into something, I'm into it, and it was on one of those rare, weird occasions when we were at the mall.

Theresa Reed: 6:57

I grew up in a rural area, by the way, so the mall was an excursion and we were at the mall, and so, of course, I was at the bookstores, because that's where I spent my money books and records, that was it, yeah. And so I was at the bookstore and I went to the metaphysical section trying to find the book that my girlfriend's mother used for interpretations. And I was in there and I spotted a tarot deck, and I'd seen tarot decks in the movies. So I thought, well, I'm going to bring this home. It was just completely on a whim. And, by the way, they didn't have that astrology book I was looking for.

Theresa Reed: 7:32

So I came home and I unwrapped the deck and I was immediately fascinated. I was fascinated with the images, the little book that it came with, and I thought I need to figure out my future. I need this thing. And the funny thing is, by the way, many, many years later I wasn't able to ever find those books and my girlfriend's mother passed and I inherited the books. She gave them to me because her daughter wasn't into it. I was into it, so I did get her books and they're wrapped up in plastic and they are one of my most prized possessions I mean that's kind of the coolest way to obtain any kind of book yeah, that's, so sweet, yes yeah, and so the tarot deck that I used at the time was long gone.

Theresa Reed: 8:11

I mean, that thing got destroyed and, uh, you know, it was a challenging deck to work with the marseilles deck and I think a couple months later I actually was back at that mall and I saw a right away smaite-Smith deck and so I got that and the Rider-Waite-Smith deck really sang to me. Yeah, because I'm a very visual person and I've had a tarot deck in my hands. Ever since that time and that's been like um over 40 years I've been reading tarot. Oh my gosh, long time, wow. I never thought it would be a career, though I'm going to tell you that I mean, nobody grows up thinking I want to be a professional tarot reader. I didn't even think of such a thing at the time. I really did. So that was kind of weird how that happened somebody.

Frank: 8:53

The reason why I use that deck is because it's universally recognized.

Theresa Reed: 8:57

Most people they understand those images. However, I work with an updated version. I work with the wiser tarot because it's more uh, it's got more representation and I think that's really important because, I mean, not everybody who sits at the tarot table looks european, right? So that's the only thing that I've changed, but I tend to use that. But for my personal use, I will work with the Baroque Bohemian Cats tarot because that's my favorite deck.

Frank: 9:32

That's fun, that's fun. So the wiser deck is like the Rider. Waite, it just has like people of color in it. Yeah, oh, that's fun. We need to get that the Rider.

Theresa Reed: 9:39

Waite, smith deck. Yeah, smith deck. Yeah, the runaway smith deck. You know it is. It's very eurocentric and I mean, if you look here at the wiser terror. Plus, I like also the um, how they use, like, the watercolors in the background and it's color coordinated, which also makes this deck really cool, because, for example, here's a bunch of wands and they all have that kind of orangey background, so when you lay it out you can spot the patterns right away.

Frank: 10:06

Oh, I like that. I love that. That's pretty. You're making me spend money already, whoops. So how much of your time is spent doing tarot versus doing astrology?

Theresa Reed: 10:20

It's 50-50.

Frank: 10:21

Is it?

Theresa Reed: 10:22

I'm a typical Gemini. I tend to do two things at the same time, and so I dedicate a lot of time to both. I mean, for me, they're both useful. Now I, uh, I no longer read for the public, so, uh, I write about terror, I write about astrology. I write about them both. And, um, if I'm doing anything for myself, for example, I look at astrology every single day. I want to know where the moon is. I want to know if there's any kind of funky aspects. If I'm doing anything for myself, for example, I look at astrology every single day. I want to know where the moon is. I want to know if there's any kind of funky aspects.

Theresa Reed: 10:50

I use astrology for business. It is amazing. For business, I never do anything without consulting the planet, so I make sure my timing is on my side. So I'll do that. And then I love to pull a card for the day, and the card for the day helps me also to set my tone for the day, and I really love doing that for myself.

Theresa Reed: 11:08

Now I also have a Patreon account, and so for my Patreon people, every single day they get a card for the day telling them hey, here's what you need to pay attention to, but also I put an astrological forecast on there. So, again, they have all the information that they need too, so they can navigate their day and know what's up. Because I'm a firm believer that when you are aware of the current or the energy around you, you can show up more present and you can make better decisions. And I would rather know what's happening, even if it's something I don't like, because then at least I have choice. Now I know how to, I know how to manage, and so I look at both tarot astrology as tools for divination, but also tools to help you to become a lot more conscious. Is there a?

Lauren: 11:54

specific question that you ask each day. Is it just like what do I need to know today? Or just what do?

Theresa Reed: 12:02

I need to know about today. Yeah, now, sometimes I'll do readings for myself if, if I got some big questions about life, like last year our family was going through some really heavy stuff. I swear I have never done so many tarot readings in my life for myself. Really, I mean just to try to like manage. The situation required a lot more awareness. I could not sleep, walk through the situation, so I was doing all these tarot readings. I'm like, oh my God, I just got to get through this damn year and we got through the year and the tarot readings were very helpful because it again allowed me to see okay, let's check in, let's check in with how I'm doing body, mind, spirit spread, et cetera, et cetera, just so I can cope and move through the situations that were happening last year.

Frank: 12:49

Wow, so we've noticed that everyone is using. Everyone uses tarot in a different way or it sparks something different for them. For example, we just spoke to someone recently who will start reading tarot for people and then their mediumship kind of pops in when they're not fully paying attention to that. Elliot elliot, dr elliot adam, claims to not have any type of like intuition that he's tapping into. I think he's wrong, because I think he's very and he's not even paying attention to how much how intuitive he is. But, um, he's saying he's just reading the cards. Oh, how is? How does this work for?

Theresa Reed: 13:23

So for me, I consider myself an intuitive reader, Absolutely. Remember. Like I said earlier, I grew up in a household with a psychic mother, psychic grandmother. I mean in our household all those superstitions, all those intuitions, all those things were honored. So I've always had a very keen sense of instinct, intuition, whatever you want to call it, and I remember that when I was a kid it kind of set me apart because other kids weren't like that. They didn't trust it. If I had a funny feeling about something, I paid attention to it and it's something that's also served me really well. I like to say I have really uncanny instincts, but that intuition is really just simply a muscle. You just have to exercise it. Anybody can develop it, they can.

Theresa Reed: 14:11

So when I read tarot or astrology for that matter the tarot cards all have their traditional meanings, their spreads that have their traditional structures. The deck has a traditional structure. There is absolutely a foundation and I never ignore that. I believe we do need to know what those meanings are, because then your intuition can do its job. And I mean sometimes you'll meet these readers that will tell people just throw away the little white book, don't worry about it, just read whatever you see. And I think that does a disservice to the art of tarot. I think the structure needs to be honored. So I love the structure and I use it, but it's more like a springing, it's more of a springboard for my intuition, and one of the ways I like to describe it is like this the structure is kind of like the foundation or structure in a house. You need a structure, you need a solid foundation to build your house on, otherwise the house is going to fall apart. Your intuition is the interior designer that comes along and makes everything beautiful. So for me, I will lay out the cards. I look, I look at. Okay, what are the patterns here? What am I seeing? What does this mean? And then my intuition just kicks in and strings it together to tell what that means for that particular client.

Theresa Reed: 15:26

And the other thing I will say about intuitive readers, and this is where it gets kind of really interesting I think everybody does use their intuition when they're reading tarot. I do. Some people, like you said, just don't acknowledge it because you have to. I mean, if I had cards in the same spread, in the same position for you, Frank, and the exact same cards in the exact same position, you know for Lauren. My intuition, though, is going to tell two very different stories. Right, that's where the intuition kicks in, Even like there's a book called the Eagle and the Lark, which is an astrology book by Bernadette Brady I hope I got that last name right.

Theresa Reed: 16:05

I always get these names goofed up there's so many of us out there and that book also speaks about the fact that you need your astrological structure. You have to understand all the different parts about astrology, and then your intuition also has to figure out well, what does it mean? I like to say, astrology is often theory. We have theories about what this means for you, theories about what this means for the world right now, and then, later on, we can look back and be like oh okay, got it. That's how that actually panned out. So, with both tarot and astrology, structure is essential, and intuition really makes it sing.

Frank: 16:43

I mean, what do you say to people who who say things like oh you know, you're so into astrology, like it's um, it's so generic, like anybody can take something out of that Cause. Well, I'll let you speak towards that, yeah.

Theresa Reed: 16:54

Well, you know, I don't care what people say, I'm not here to convert anybody. Yeah, I'm also the firm believer. Look, if you're not into it, you're not into it. If you think it's bogus, that's fine. I think sports are bogus, so therefore I never watch sports on television.

Frank: 17:08

Oh my God, Me too. I also Can we talk about. I want to like sports, I just I'll watch it.

Lauren: 17:15

But things always just like I don't care, I played anyway, continue.

Theresa Reed: 17:20

Yeah, I mean, I don't care. I grew up with brothers who watch it. I always remember thinking, when I get out of this house, there will be no sports on my car. So you know, I don't believe. It's not that I don't believe in it. I'm not interested, I don't get it, I don't want to get it. And there are people who feel that same way about tarot and astrology. You know what? I'm not going to judge that. I'm not going to try to convince you or say well, here's why it's real.

Theresa Reed: 17:44

Either you're into it or you're not. It's like either you're into polka music or punk rock music, or maybe both. That's good too. It's up to the person, and I see a lot of. I see a lot of readers and this might be also because I'm, you know, about to be a senior citizen. I see a lot of readers out there on social media just trying to defend it and explain it and trying to win people over, and I'm like why are you bothering? Yeah, if they're not into it, they're not into it, leave it be so for me. If you don't like it, I'm like cool, that's fine. I may not like something you're into. Leave it alone.

Theresa Reed: 18:18

Yeah yeah, yeah.

Frank: 18:19

I just think for me there's a little bit of frustration sometimes because I'm like you know, I like tarot, you like sports, but also like Mike Trout's not going to tell you what how your day is going to go. So it's kind of like right.

Theresa Reed: 18:42

Just seems like there's more to not liking tarot. It's like, come on, man, this is only going to help you, yeah, but you know what some people will, um, some people have issues about it because, first of all, it may be, um, there, it may be because of their religion, it may be because you know, whatever reason, and, um, like I said, for me it's like I just don't feel like convincing anybody. It seemed like back in the day I used to get sometimes skeptics in my office. They are such a drag, it's a drag. Oh, it's like no great. Now you're going to make my work feel really awful.

Lauren: 19:05

So they just sit there like arms crossed, like oh, prove it.

Theresa Reed: 19:09

Yeah, but you know, sometimes those readings turn out to be really awesome. They would come away, say, say, wow, I have a changed mind about this and one of the one of the situations I wrote about in my book terrible questions asked. I had a guy come into my office, his sister brought him in and, you know, or his sister told him about me, he made an appointment and the guy's sitting in there and I'm doing this, reading, blah, blah, blah, just doing what, saying whatever I see, and then, after I'm done, he goes well, how do I know that? You didn't just Google me? And I said to him I said, when you booked your appointment, I only took your first name.

Theresa Reed: 19:45

So how would have that happened? Yeah, because that's the way I did things back then. And this guy was like, oh my God, and so he ended up becoming like a huge, massive fan and, you know, got readings, readings regularly. So sometimes it does happen like that, yeah, but other times people are so close-minded and when you have someone like that, who doesn't believe who's being there against their will or they're there to prove something, it makes my job suck and I don't like that and I'd rather have you just take your money. Go do something fun with that money, don't make me miserable it's not me, miserable.

Lauren: 20:16

Go to a sports game. It's not worth it.

Theresa Reed: 20:18

Yeah, go to a sports game, because for me, for me, it's not worth it If I'm not doing work. That feels good, that I love if people are not jamming with me. I don't want to do that.

Lauren: 20:30

Yeah.

Theresa Reed: 20:30

Yeah.

Lauren: 20:31

Not here to prove anything Not into it.

Frank: 20:33

Not here for that. I've heard and I wonder sometimes if some of the you know there's always been like astrology stuff in like the newspaper and stuff which is. You know you're not going to get a lot out of two sentences.

Lauren: 20:46

Like a horoscope. Yeah, a horoscope.

Frank: 20:49

But what was I listening to recently? I guess like astrology was a big deal and esoteric sciences in general was kind of a big deal in the Reagan administration. But I think that occurred during or adjacent to like some of the satanic panic that was going on too and they had to deny all of it. I just always wonder how much that led toward the current feelings towards the esoteric in general. You know that's all trash. I'm not really explaining that very well.

Theresa Reed: 21:17

There. Well, no, I get what you're saying. There's always been people who've been trying to disprove it.

Theresa Reed: 21:21

And the amazing Randy was this guy that came out and offered, you know, all this money to anybody that could prove him wrong, to prove that psychic stuff you know doesn't exist. There's always been skeptics. There's always been people who view it also, as you know, somehow against their religion. And I remember the satanic panic very well too. The satanic panic did a tremendous amount of damage to people's lives. It ruined lives, and I remember back in the day too, you know when all that stuff was going on, I read that book, michelle Remembers, and I was very young when that book came out and that's what really ignited the satanic panic. And I read it, I'm. That book came out and that's what really ignited the satanic right.

Theresa Reed: 21:55

And I read I'm like this book is, I mean, talk about bogus. First of all, you're talking about astrology being bogus and this woman is telling this fantastical story and where's the proof? Where are? I mean? There is no way this kind of stuff could happen without a shred of proof. So that is my own little skeptical, scientific side, and I thought it was really interesting that people could believe that or they could believe in these other mystical beings in the sky.

Theresa Reed: 22:24

But you're going to have an attitude about this. How do you know? I mean, I don't know. I like to keep an open mind about a lot of things, except the satanic panic and that stupid book. I always say I'm nice to all the gods, just in case you never know, right, I'm super, super open-minded. I'm open-minded about, uh, a lot of things, a lot of different divination systems and different ways people approach it. You know, I try not to be really judgy and I think that if we could all be a little bit more open-minded about other people's belief systems, even people who don't believe in what we believe in, you know what we're all going to get along a little bit better.

Frank: 23:01

Yeah.

Theresa Reed: 23:01

Yeah, absolutely.

Frank: 23:03

I was just talking to my father-in-law last night about how, for some of the people with very staunch belief systems, how their box of what's acceptable is just so small. Yeah, and you know, in my opinion it's not worth getting like too upset or mad about it all, because you just got to let them do their thing and you do your thing. But yeah, like you said, like pushing it's not going to do any good it doesn't do any good and trying to like convince a skeptic.

Theresa Reed: 23:28

You're wasting your energy and time. Things to be doing with your energy and time, like learning more about tarot and astrology, or reading for people who are into it, or maybe developing your highest good. I mean, there's so many things we could be doing. Why do you want to waste your time arguing Now? When I was younger, I would, you know, get into it with people occasionally, but now that I'm older, I'm like, oh God, no, also when I was younger.

Theresa Reed: 23:55

The really interesting thing is, I read tarot for 10 years before I went professionally. Nowadays, everybody's monetizing their hobby, which that's a whole nother story but I read for 10 years and I did not know that there were so many people that had this feeling because, remember, I'm in this bubble, my parents don't care, I'm like studying the stuff and reading to whoever. But when I started reading for the public, all of a sudden I would encounter people that would make the sign of the cross when they saw me, or they would tell me oh, that's devilish, I can't touch that. I was like what, where are you getting this from? I thought it was bizarre. I mean, it kind of blew my mind and I remember too, because I was a very young reader.

Theresa Reed: 24:36

I remember it kind of hurt my feelings back then. I'm like I'm not doing anything negative here. This stuff can help you, and you know, that was really, really hard, and there's some of that stigma still out there. It's gotten better thanks to the internet. But the internet, though, has also produced other problems with this stuff. There are people who decide that they're going to read one book and now suddenly they need to go out there and start making money doing tarot readings, and they're causing real harm to people because they don't understand. You know the responsibility that comes with being a reader.

Frank: 25:13

Yeah.

Lauren: 25:14

Yeah.

Frank: 25:14

Yeah, people are coming to you in very vulnerable situations and you need to know how to handle that. It's almost like being a reader. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are coming to you in very vulnerable situations and you need to know how to handle that. It's almost like being a you need to be ready for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lauren: 25:24

Right, they're like somebody who's in like a kind of tough situation with like a relationship or their job or whatever, and they're like looking for answers. That is a heavy burden.

Frank: 25:37

Yeah, it's almost like being a therapist Almost In, like your responsibility for someone else's feelings.

Theresa Reed: 25:47

You can really mess somebody up. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're being like a quasi-therapist Although Carol should never take the words of a therapist and you're kind of like a priest. You're hearing a lot of people's confessions that they're not comfortable telling anybody else and I mean I've seen some very irresponsible readers over the years and I've had to clean up some massive damage from some of these readings, and I think this is the thing, too, that we have to think about.

Theresa Reed: 26:13

Some folks say, oh, this is just entertainment's like, listen, people come to you with some real, real heavy stuff yeah you said like maybe a relationship stuff, and we've got to really choose our words with grace and wisdom and compassion, you know, and and you can still tell it like it is and be honest without being a jerk about it. I see readers out there too who pride themselves on. I just tell it like it is, and when I was younger I was one of those readers too, because I didn't realize this could actually cause harm. And some of those readers are out there and they're really, really messing people's stuff up.

Lauren: 26:49

Yeah, don't be that reader. Don't be that reader. I feel like not giving finite answers to someone. You know that's part of it too. Like I know, we've mentioned Elliot Oracle and he's always like you have choices for one, two you can take the fear out of like oh, this is a terrible card. Like you know, media and like movies have really made tarot look scary and there's a movie coming out called tarot right, oh yeah, it's a horror film yeah, it looks dumb yeah, also, there's a lot of people on social media who are promoting these ideas.

Theresa Reed: 27:28

now, as someone who's been a long time reader, the cards are not good or bad. They're neutral. Yeah, yeah, same with your astrology chart. I have an astrology chart that I've had astrologers look at it and they're just like, oh my God, this is a terrible astrology. What? Oh, yeah, because you know they they're not. They're not keeping in mind that there is some things in life that, yes, could be faded. It could be challenging, but we always have agency. Yeah, you can show up as the best version of yourself or the worst version Right, and tarot and astrology can show you. Here's how you can work with the energy you have. Here's how you can work with this situation, and that's very empowering. It's same like divination.

Theresa Reed: 28:09

Now, divination gets a bad rap and it's a bad rap around tarot.

Theresa Reed: 28:13

People believe it or not, and it's a bad wrap around tarot, people believe it or not.

Theresa Reed: 28:15

There is an anti-divination bias that crops up every so often, where somebody will say it should only be used for self-reflection, tarot should only be used, you know, for like therapeutic type stuff, and that's not true.

Theresa Reed: 28:33

Tarot divination does play a very important role in empowering people, because some of these people who have this anti-divination bias think that if you know the future, that first of all, that no one can know the future, and if you know it, that's really harmful and blah. And you know, and it's like listen, if you're driving down the road and you're speeding and driving like a maniac which some of us do sometimes and all of a sudden you see another car coming towards you and they blink their lights. We all know what that means. It means, hey, if it's at night, maybe you need to turn your lights on, yeah, or maybe it means there's a speed trap up ahead. And so now we know we have a choice I can continue driving like a maniac or I can slow down and be a little bit more careful and maybe I might avoid that ticket right that's how divination works.

Theresa Reed: 29:17

When a tarot reader looks and says this is where this is headed. If you don't like the outcome and you see where something is headed, you can change that. One of the examples I love using is I had a woman once who sat at my table and I said wow, I see a lot of car trouble around you. I got a brand new car. That's so wrong. And I said wow, I see a lot of car trouble around you. She goes I got a brand new car. That's so wrong. And I said well, I can be wrong, I'm okay with that. I can be wrong. I'm not one of those people that feels like I have to make a god out of being right. Well, I ended up seeing her a couple weeks later. She goes you were right about my car. I said well, what happened? She said, well, I got drunk and I crashed into a tree.

Theresa Reed: 29:54

Oh, no, now let me tell you something. If I would have gotten a reading about car trouble and I got a brand new car, don't you? I would have gotten that reading the last thing I'd be doing is doing something that irresponsible. Yeah, you know. And so that's again another thing about theory. We can talk about theory, we get an idea of what that means, but then later on we see how it actually works out and it's like shoot. I could have avoided that, yeah.

Frank: 30:18

Do you dabble in any other types of divination Aside from tarot?

Theresa Reed: 30:22

Yeah, absolutely. I have a nice selection of pendulums that I like playing around with. I love numerology. I love it. I think numerology is really brilliant. So, and you know, once in a while I dabble in this human design thing, which I kind of mix feelings about, uh, probably because I just don't know enough about it. You know, I like also mixing different tarot decks and oracle cards. So I like keeping an open mind, but there are certain things I don't know. Tea leaves I have. That's not my forte.

Frank: 30:50

Yeah, I'm never gonna get that I always feel like tea leaves is just harry potter for me, like for me.

Theresa Reed: 30:56

It just doesn't work for me. I said I don't have an imagination for this, you know. You know I also have, because I again grew up with this very intuitive background. I always see a lot of things as signs and so I do a lot of what I would say divination, without any tools. Like I will see signs, I will. Sometimes my husband says you read too much into things. I'm like, no, everything is a sign, yeah, and I just pay. I pay very close attention. I pay attention my dreams, my feelings. Sometimes a song comes on the radio and a certain lyrical hit me and I'm like, oh, that's what that means. So I do a lot of that kind of divination. That's a lot.

Lauren: 31:39

Can you explain numerology a little bit, because all I see is like four, four, four or like a couple of repeated numbers and people talk about it, but I don't really get it.

Theresa Reed: 31:51

Well, numerology is the spiritual science of numbers, and numerologists believe that every number has a vibration and that those numbers, whether they're showing up in repeating patterns or whatnot, are carrying like a message. Now, if they're showing up in repeating patterns, like 11, 11, 4, 4, 4 those are considered angel numbers. It could be you have a specific angel delivering a message to you, and that's all well and good. But the way I use numerology is I'm very practical, so I'm boring. I love studying birth path, and the birth path is you take your number, your date of birth, and you add it up and then you reduce those numbers until you get it down to like something from 1 to 9, 11, 22, or 33. And so all of those numbers carry again a vibration and they can tell you a lot about what your life path might be like. And you can also find out your universal year number. Well, you can find out the universal year and you can also find out your personal year. So your personal year, you would take your day and the month that you're born and add it to the current year, and then you, once again, you reduce that and now you've got a number that's going to give you the vibration for the year. Now, if you want to get real fancy, you can also compare that to tarot cards and then it gets really interesting because all the cards are numbered and the major arcana are also associated with these life paths. So, for example, my life path adds up to 11. 11 can be reduced to 2. So I have a choice I can go with 11, which is considered a master number, or I can go with 2, which is a little bit more like, easier to handle. So 11 path people are here to do something spiritual and no surprise about the type of work that I do and there are people who end up being in the limelight in some way, whether they like it or not. And I'm an introvert and I'm in the limelight and I don't like it, but it's meant to be. If I reduce it to two, then the theme of my life is going to be about my relationships. I'm here to work on relationships, get along with people, learn about diplomacy. There might be a lot of themes that come through the relationships in my life. So I have a choice. I can work with that energy.

Theresa Reed: 34:03

Now, if I look at my yearly number I am currently in what number is it Off the top of my head, hold on six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16. I'm in a seven year, which is really good for introspection, looking within, you know, doing all of that stuff. It's good for students. I'm taking classes right now, so it makes sense, you know, so you can, you can add these numbers up and they can also give you guidance about your year and about your path, and I think that's pretty nifty. I like trying listen. I'm nice to all the gods, but I'm also nice to all the divination systems. Just in case, listen, whatever tools I can use to make my life better, I'm going to try it, whether that means it's numerology, tarot, astrology, working out at the gym, you know, whatever it is I'm here to, to improve myself, maybe the best version of me, yeah, so why?

Lauren: 35:01

not try everything you possibly can? That's cool.

Theresa Reed: 35:03

I'm gonna do my birth year yeah it's that it's fascinating when you find out your path and stuff. If you've. I had a numerologist many years ago and this is one of the big regrets of my life. This guy was so good chris pierce, our ip buddy, and he was so good. I've never had a numerology reading like that before or since. And this guy said I'm going to teach you this and I said okay, great, and then we just never had time to do it and then he died and I regret it because this guy blew me away. The things he was able to say and see in numbers, wow, that's so cool yeah that's really cool that feels like such a specific skill, that like I it's you know.

Frank: 35:47

I know I've seen people do that kind of thing before and I'm always just like where are you getting this from? But when someone like knows how to tap into it, it feels it's so cool yeah question do you, since you're I mean you know astrology so well?

Lauren: 36:00

how quickly are you able to know what someone's like birth sign is?

Theresa Reed: 36:08

oh, you know, I don't like to try to guess someone's birth sign because astrology is more complex than that. An astrology chart is. Most people are familiar with their sun sign. That's something you see in the horoscopes Like I'm a Gemini, for example, and I've got a lot of very Gemini qualities. But at the time, at the day and time you're born, all the other planets are lining up into different signs and so that adds a lot of complexity. And also the time you're born is your ascendant. That is the image that you are presenting to the world. So I don't usually try to guess because it isn't quite that simple.

Theresa Reed: 36:46

Now I had a friend once back in the day who was a triple Scorpio. That means his sun, moon and rise and we're all Scorpio. This was the most Scorpio person I've ever met in my life. If anybody embodied those characteristics. He was a walking Scorpio. He was the most psychic person I know. He was the best tarot reader that I've ever met in my entire life and all the super dark Scorpio things bled through him.

Theresa Reed: 37:10

He could not pretend to be another sign if he tried. That's rare. Yeah, that's rare, you know, unless you are like I mean mean sometimes people will have like a build-up of one sign. So it really shows. But most of us again don't. So for example, for myself, you know I'm a gemini, I'm a libra ascendant, I have a moon in scorpio and, the interesting thing, when most people try to guess my sign, they always guess a fire sign. I don't have any fire elements in my chart. Oh wow, none. So here's why they guess I'm a fire sign. When people are missing an element, oftentimes they overcompensate and it really shows. So that's why you've got to look at the whole chart. Yeah, you can't just guess, but if you know your sun, your moon and your ascendant, that is going to tell you a lot about yourself. For some people that's all you need to do a pretty comprehensive astrology reading.

Frank: 38:02

For someone who isn't super good at assembling a chart or anything like that. What's the daily approachable practice that someone can use?

Theresa Reed: 38:09

that is maybe the most impactful, yeah well, the most impactful, first of all, is to just look at what's happening with the moon. The moon is always changing every two and a half days and all of the moon cycles, whatever sign they're in, carry a vibration. So I look by the moon totally I and I. The moon is great for business, by the way. So when you follow the moon like, um, you know, whatever the sign the moon is in, it's going to tell you a lot about the energy. So when it's's in Aries, the energy can be very exciting. It's a time to start new things, get moving, move your body. It can also be a day where there's a lot of volatile energy out there. So you want to make sure that you're paying attention so you don't get yourself in a stupid situation. Now, two days later, it goes into Taurus Taurus. Now things slow down a little bit. Two days later, it goes into Taurus Taurus. Now things slow down a little bit. It is going to be a good time for touching grass, for eating comfort food, for, you know, putting your feet up, making art. The shadow side could be stubbornness. You might find that other people around you are getting an attitude, or maybe you're getting an attitude. So if you follow the moon. That's a really easy thing for people to do and you can follow it super easily, like, for example, on my phone. This is one of the wonderful things about astrology.

Theresa Reed: 39:22

In the modern world, we used to have to do this all by hand. Yeah, now you can just whip out your I'm going to do it right now. You can whip out your uh program and I have this program called time passages and it shows you the current chart. It shows right now the sun is in taaurus and the moon is in Aquarius, so we're in Taurus season. Taurus season is the perfect time. Stop and smell the roses. Moon in Aquarius. That means it's a good time to do technology things like record a podcast. It is also a good day to connect with friends, to network. The moon in Aquarius is good for, you know, getting involved in social justice. So there's, if you follow just that, just that you're already living by astrology.

Frank: 40:05

That's. I've not heard that before. Yeah, I haven't either. So what's the what's the what's the advice? Then Do you check the moon and then you kind of ride the wave of what the moon's pushing already.

Theresa Reed: 40:16

I work with it, I lean into it.

Theresa Reed: 40:18

I like to say it like this Salmon will swim upstream to mate, but then they get up there and they die. We don't want to be that. Yeah, we want to move with the current, and so it's all about the current. So I know today it's like okay, let me get this technology stuff handled today.

Theresa Reed: 40:33

Today is going to be maybe a good day for networking and whatnot, but also I know there's some volatile energy. So this is not the day where I'm going to get out there and be doing something stupid, because some of the planets are not being very cooperative today. So I'm going to stay out of that. I'm like, okay, stay offline, you don't need to be out there arguing with everybody about this opinion or that opinion, which you shouldn't do anyway. It's a waste of energy. But today, what's happening because you know I checked my planets just if I had to do it in a nutshell, we have Venus. Venus is in a very unhappy aspect with Pluto this morning and that's going to linger around for about two days and it's just very. It's volatile personal power dynamics and so you know, if my husband cops an attitude, I'm just gonna ignore him, which, let's be honest, that's good advice on every day right, but when you pay attention to energy, it's like you can.

Theresa Reed: 41:31

You can manage things a lot better. And it sounds very simplistic and very stupid, but people have been following astrology and the planets for a long, long time. It used to be respected and guarded as and regarded as, again, one of the sciences. Right, so I am one that says you know, let me just live with this. And it's funny because I love to tempt fate once in a while, I really really do. I like to do things like oh, mercury is retrograde, let me go book a trip and see what happens. Yeah, you know, I'll do that sometimes. Yeah, and you know, sometimes you know things. Then it's like, ok, well, maybe I should have been a little more careful here, but in general, I found that when I really started working and living with this energy, my life just got a lot better.

Frank: 42:18

That's really a lot better. I think you might have just changed my morning routine.

Lauren: 42:22

Yeah, it's going to be checking the new app.

Frank: 42:25

Yeah, I'm I'm excited to get on that.

Theresa Reed: 42:27

Yeah, yeah, time passages is my favorite. There are other apps, but I find that it's really accurate. It also gives you some interpretation. So if you're a budding astrologer, if you show an interest, it's going to tell you a little bit about what's going on there. It's also fun to look up other people's charts, because I'm a believer. Now you'll hear things like these books on compatibility, like, yeah, don't listen to those compatibility books, because I believe when you understand somebody else's astrological makeup, now you know what they're all about, so you know how to like interact with this person. Right, and some of the examples that I like to give for that is when my daughter was born. I planned my daughter by astrology and she always hates this story, and so I planned her by astrology and if she would have came on the day she was due, it would have been like the perfect child, the perfect child for me yeah of course, she came three weeks early, so my master plan got destroyed.

Theresa Reed: 43:19

But, um, I and I really wanted a leo and she just made leo and I remember, after she was born and they whisked her away, of course, the first thing I did was her astrology and I looked at this chart and I'm like, oh my god, this child's chart is so hard. I'm gonna have a hard time with this kid, and you know so. That was my belief. But then I'm like, well, wait a minute, this is what she needs. This is how she's going to interact with things. This is where you're going to have trouble, so let's use that as like a little manual. And you know so I did.

Theresa Reed: 43:51

And when I had my son my son was his chart was very different than hers. His chart was real easy for me. I'm like good, and my mother used to get really mad at me because she would say you are raising them with two very different set of standards. You're hard on her and you're easy on him. And I said I know what I'm doing. There are two different individuals. I can't raise them the same, yeah, and so my kids now are middle-aged and we are incredibly close. My son bought a house around the corner from me. My daughter was five minutes away. We hang together all the time. We are so tight and close.

Frank: 44:26

That's nice.

Theresa Reed: 44:27

And my daughter and I. Every once in a while, we have our moments. Sure, yeah, you know where we're going to knock some heads and we both know cause. She understands my chart too. Okay, we're going to take a breather, we're going to come back at it. We're going to practice some good communication here. So once you understand someone's chart, you can get along with them.

Theresa Reed: 44:48

And and compatibility again, I think that I'd like to blow a lot of holes into that. Yeah, my first husband. No, I always like to say notice the words I'm using first husband. We had incredibly compatible charts. People are like, oh my God, you're so compatible. But what they didn't take into account was our lack of maturity, our very different backgrounds, and also our political belief system was very different, and so the relationship blew up after a couple of years. It blew up after a couple of years. Now my current husband and I have very incompatible charts. According to traditional astrologers. We've been together 30 years. We get along like a house on fire. In the 30 years that we've been together, we've probably fought for a total of one hour. Why?

Theresa Reed: 45:32

because we understand each other's makeup yeah we, we get each other and we know, I mean, one thing, he knows about me. I need a lot of space, and he doesn't take it like that's a bad thing. He gets it. I'm like look, I'm in my head right now. Leave me alone for a while. And some people don't get that.

Theresa Reed: 45:50

My first husband didn't understand that. So we have no problems and we have these incompatible charts. You don't need to have compatible charts, you need to have an understanding and you have to ask yourself is this a relationship that I really want to work on? Great, that I'm going to respect this person's makeup and bring out the best in them and vice versa.

Theresa Reed: 46:11

If it's a relationship that maybe you don't care about preserving, but you have to deal with that person like, let's say, a boss. Well, now you know, okay, well, the boss is this way, Let me at least go in there and do my job and not have any drama at work. And then there's some people you might look at and you might say you know, I don't even care to get along with them, but I can at least be decent and I just don't have to have interactions with them. But at least I know if I'm going to be stuck with them for anything like you know the terrible uncle. At a wedding I can show up and be civil, so why not learn this stuff? If you learn this stuff, your relationships will get better.

Frank: 46:49

That's really cool, would you advocate? I know a lot of in corporate environments. They love to do the Myers-Briggs test and stuff like that, which I know is based in. I think like loosely Carl Jung study. Yeah, but what about astrology charts to understand each other?

Theresa Reed: 47:08

I think astrology charts are great because if you understand, first of all, if you understand someone that you're hiring, you can look at their nature. Let's say you really love them, they have all the skills. But you might see things in there that say like, for example, well, this person's a Sagittarius and they've got this Aquarius moon and they've got this Leo ascendant. This is a gregarious person.

Theresa Reed: 47:30

I'm not putting them in the back room working alone. I'm going to make sure they are out there where they're connecting with people. Maybe they're going to be front of desk, maybe I'm going to help them develop their salesman side. You know, you can make sure that you're putting people in places where they're happy. And also, if you understand the makeup of your team like, let's say, for example, you have somebody that's working for you and they've got a mood and cancer. Okay, I know they're going to be sensitive. So if I have to do the review and critique them, I'm going to be very mindful that this is a sensitive person who might take it very personally. So now I'm going to make sure that I offer constructive, kind criticism, whereas if it's a moon in Virgo, I know I can tell them whatever. They want to be criticized. They want to be perfect.

Lauren: 48:20

So you can lay it on the line with them and you can give a different type of review. That's really cool, wouldn't that be?

Frank: 48:23

everyone followed the charts let me, let me ask you this I've sometimes wondered about people who know only a dangerous amount of their astrology enough to kind of um fight against it. What do you mean of fight against it? What do you mean by fighting against it? I don't know? Like people who, who don't want to be a certain way but are naturally, instead of like you know we're talking about like checking out what the moon's doing and riding that wave. I sometimes I've met people who, like, are clearly trying to be something they're not.

Lauren: 48:54

Oh.

Frank: 48:56

I guess would the advice be don't do that.

Theresa Reed: 49:00

Advice is to understand yourself as deeply as possible. Understand yourself and understand and learn to love yourself as you are. I mean, look, I got this, quote unquote terrible astrology chart. I roll my eyes at that and but what I've done with the chart isn't trying to be somebody that I'm not. I'm going to be the best version of me.

Theresa Reed: 49:20

It's like, okay, you've got this strength here, let's lean into that. You've got this so-called terrible moon and that moon, let me figure out how to work with this. You know, I mean it's it's really all about let me figure this out so I can again be the best version of me, not to be some inauthentic version of me. I never, ever want to be anything but myself, right, but I don't want to be a broken version of me. I don't want to like, look at the negative stuff and feel, well, it looks like I got to be a negative person now, right, yeah, you know, I mean it doesn't work like that, and if somebody's telling you that it works like that, they're not doing it right. And if you feel like I'm just gonna fight this or I'm gonna be a stereotype, I mean that's not good either. It's like learn the energy and then figure out the high vibe and the low vibe and let's work with the high vibe.

Lauren: 50:13

This is helpful because, um, my, my dad is very into astrology so he did charts for our kids when they were first born and I remember like reading our sons and I was like, oh, I don't want to like put you don't want to pigeonhole him yeah, like I read some of it and I was like, wait, I'm gonna stop reading it so that I'm not like just assuming that he is going to be this way.

Lauren: 50:38

But now maybe I should read it with and our daughters too, Like let me see how I can parent them. You know differently.

Theresa Reed: 50:47

It's all about understanding them. Yeah, yeah, guiding and supporting. Again, let's talk about my children. For children, one of the things I recommend is you look at their moon. The moon tells what they need emotionally and the moon tells also your moon tells you what kind of a parent you might be. Now, when we look at those moons, we're going to get some understanding how we're going to be dealing with each other Now, before I give an example of my children.

Theresa Reed: 51:11

So my mother, my sister and I all have fixed moons and the dynamic was always tense, especially between my mother and my sister, and I would sit back and watch these two go at it and it was really, really negative and that left a lot of scars, particularly for my sister, as she got older. And so when my daughter was born, my daughter got the final fixed moon. So all four of the women in the family have these really intense fixed moons, and my niece, the only other female, has the same moon as me. So here we have all of these women where there could be a lot of tension. But, like I said, with my daughter first of all, I watched my mother and my sister. I'm like, oh no, that's not going to be here. We're breaking that wheel, yeah.

Theresa Reed: 51:59

And so understanding what my daughter needed. What did my daughter need? Structure. My daughter needs structure. She needs to feel safe, she needs security. She's got that mood in Taurus. She needs to feel like she can depend on me, like I'm reliable. I'm here to really support whatever she's doing. And I need to also, as a parent, understand she's going to be a very stubborn child, but I'm stubborn too, so we have to learn how to meet in the middle, because our moons oppose each other. Now my son, moon and Gemini easy breezy, easy breezy loves to talk it out, needs to talk it out. But one of the things for him there's a tendency I know from his chart is to always put others first, to be what I used to call the good guy, and so he would do stuff and I would say are you being the good guy or is this what you really want? I had to really work with him.

Lauren: 52:51

That's a great question. That's a good question. I love that.

Theresa Reed: 52:54

Because, like, for example, I'd be like okay, kids, what do you want to do? Do you want to go get ice cream, or what do you want to do? Whatever you want to do, mom, no, what do you really want to do? Yeah, Well, I want to get the ice cream. Okay, well, we're going to get the ice cream, you know. So that's the thing I realized that he's going to do is he's going to gloss things over to keep the peace. Sure, and I had to really encourage him, you don't have to keep the peace, it's okay to want what you want and to express that. So this is really super helpful. Yeah, and again, all my children have very different needs. He needs to talk it out. He needs to be able to express and verbalize what he needs, otherwise he doesn't get those needs met. Right, yeah, she has no. Yeah, she's got no trouble expressing what she needs.

Frank: 53:40

Your daughter sounds like our daughter.

Theresa Reed: 53:42

Yeah, you're doing fine. You get your needs met just fine yeah.

Lauren: 53:48

Yeah, Our daughters. My dad says our daughter is a double Capricorn, which I'm like. I don't quite know what that means, but we got to be looking at moons here.

Frank: 53:56

We got to look at all three and understand.

Theresa Reed: 53:59

Yeah, if she's a double Capricorn, she might have a sun and moon in Capricorn, you know, and that means she's going to be very serious. And I would say, as a parent, make her, lighten up. Capricorns have brilliant senses of humor and one of the things is a lot of Capricorn children are very adult at a very early age because they're very serious. It's very easy then for parents to say, oh, my God, they're such a good kid, and then we parentify them. So I would be saying, ok, and I've got a grandbaby as a Capricorn. Let them play, let them make a mess, let them be a kid. Remind them that everything's not so serious, lighten up and have fun, because we don't want them going through life so so serious, so young. Yeah, lighten up, we do a lot of jokes around here, so yeah, capricorns are usually pretty good kids.

Theresa Reed: 54:44

They're kind of set in their ways, but generally they're pretty good kids.

Frank: 54:49

She's a good kid, but she is a Capricorn.

Theresa Reed: 54:53

I love Capricorns.

Lauren: 54:55

So you have a lot of books. What are you working on right now? Well, right now.

Theresa Reed: 54:59

I cannot say because I'm in the middle of putting together the proposal. That's all I'm going to say about it, because that has to get accepted, et cetera, et cetera, and I've got actually a list of different ideas and things I want to work on. So I know I'm going to be doing a lot of writing into the future. That's where I've been really going with my career. I went away from reading for the public and into writing the books and teaching. Yeah, because now it's like I'm going to retire in just a few years from everything. So I'm trying to teach as many people as I can and spread information so that way I can leave some sort of a legacy before I ride off into the sun. So you know right, I've I've written, I think, eight books and I've written for two tarot decks. So I've done a lot of writing in the last couple of years.

Frank: 55:48

But yeah so I've got something up my sleeve and I can't talk about it. That's fine, but when? When you're ready, let us know send us an email.

Theresa Reed: 56:01

We'll tell the listeners. Yeah, um, anything else you want to pitch right now? Any links you want to share? Yeah, sure, if people are interested in getting a daily part of the day with a daily astrology tidbit and, uh, taking classes with me and also getting my political astrology, which is one of my other passions, then they might want to check out my patreon account and that's patreoncom forward slash, the tarot lady that'll be going for again until I retire, and I would also recommend they check out my latest book called the cards. You're dealt how to deal when life gets real a tarot guidebook. It is a tarot book for all levels but it's really teaching you how to read tarot when you're going through some really heavy stuff for yourself. But also there's a lot of professional advice so that you can give readings for people who are going through heavy stuff and not cause harm.

Frank: 56:39

Nice, okay, that seems very useful.

Theresa Reed: 56:41

Yeah, it's very needed. Yeah, because one of the things that a lot of people do when they go through a tarot certification or whatnot they learn everything the cards mean, but they don't learn what you do when somebody is in your office and they're freaking out.

Frank: 56:54

Yeah.

Theresa Reed: 56:57

But when they're going through something heavy that you have no life experience in, and so this book aims to help people with that.

Frank: 57:01

That's fantastic, that's awesome, very cool. Well, teresa, thank you so much for coming on today.

Lauren: 57:06

Yeah, this is so cool.

Frank: 57:08

Yeah, and you are so prolific, I have a lot of material to dig through. Yeah.

Theresa Reed: 57:21

Thank you for all your work. Open some books from Teresa. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you both for having me here. It's been a pleasure and a lot of fun and hopefully we'll talk again soon.

Frank: 57:24

I think we will. Yeah, definitely.

Lauren: 57:26

I'm not done here. Yeah, awesome, thank you so much. Take care, all right.

Frank: 57:29

Bye Teresa.

Lauren: 57:30

You too Bye-bye.

Frank: 57:37

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