027: Grow With the Flow // with Nicole Marie

This week, we talked to Nicole Marie, a psychic medium and tarot/oracle card reader whose path went from self-described "money and power hungry" to self-discovery, which awakened her intuitive gifts. This episode is not just an exploration of Nicole's personal odyssey; it's an invitation into the realm of emotional authenticity and the stark reality of facing our emotions without reservation.

Throughout our conversation with Nicole, we talk about vulnerability and the metamorphosis of personal relationships in response to spiritual growth. Nicole discusses the vital role of self-relationship in the continuous journey of personal growth and intuitive enlightenment. We examine how one's own relationship with self underpins everything in life and the necessity of introspection. Nicole's approach reveals a delicate balance of respect, humor, and professionalism, as spirits we connect with during readings often retain their human quirks.
 
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Transcript

Lauren: 0:01

Hey guys, in today's episode we talked to Nicole Marie, a psychic medium and tarot and oracle card reader, who also does live TikTok readings and they're very cool. Nicole talks about her journey of healing herself and discovering her gifts in the process. It's super inspiring and it gave Frank a lot to think about. I'm your host, lauren, and I'm Frank, and it gave Frank a lot to think about. I'm your host, lauren, and I'm Frank. We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 27 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire.

Frank: 0:46

Voyaging Claire whataging.

Lauren: 0:50

Claire Voyaging.

Frank: 0:52

Did you say what?

Lauren: 0:53

Claire Voyaging.

Frank: 0:56

Yeah.

Lauren: 0:57

Is anyone else dancing right now? Because I'm dancing.

Frank: 1:00

I can't, I can't dance. Yes, you can, I'm not a good dancer, you've never seen this man on a dance floor. Listen, give me an old fashioned and a rug and I'll cut it.

Lauren: 1:10

You'll cut it up. Hey everyone, what's up? We got a good guest today. She's amazing. Before we get to that, we want to remind you about a very cool thing that is on our website now.

Frank: 1:24

If you didn't catch last week's episode, we have announced that we have put out a journal. It's called the Clairvoyaging Alignment Journal. Why is it called the Clairvoyaging Alignment Journal? It's intended to align your own inner self with your outer self. Hey, so it's based on a system I've been using for months. We have been talking to a bunch of psychics and intuitive people and have learned a lot, and I was trying to implement this in my life in the most efficient and practical way possible and I realized that people might benefit from this and I designed a journal.

Lauren: 1:55

You put in a lot of hard work and you created it, and now it's available through Amazon. But if you pre-order through our website, clairvoyagingcom, we'll send you a signed copy of the journal and a Claire Voyaging magnet, because we love you, hearts and stars.

Frank: 2:13

Hearts and stars.

Lauren: 2:14

Every time I say that you laugh.

Frank: 2:18

Cy. No, it's good.

Lauren: 2:22

Anyway, check it out, get yourself a copy, start doing the work, because it's cool.

Frank: 2:27

Who did we talk to today?

Lauren: 2:29

We talked to Nicole Marie we sure did. I found her on TikTok and I watch her live readings. She connects with people.

Frank: 2:37

Nicole Marie is out there in the wild on the very, very controversial TikTok, about to be banned by the government.

Lauren: 2:43

Yeah, come on.

Frank: 2:44

But she's out there. She's out there slinging readings to people like it ain't no thing.

Lauren: 2:49

Yeah.

Frank: 2:49

And she came on the show and, in a way that only very intuitive people can do, she put me in my place.

Lauren: 2:57

Okay, but she didn't mean to Like she just said some hard hitting things that she worked on that, just it. It hit you in a different way today you know today's one of those days.

Frank: 3:11

I'm just feeling a little sensitive. I got my heart on my sleeve. That's what this is all about son of a biscuit, did she get me? So yeah, listen, I'm not. I'm not like lauren. I didn't do the tears, but I was accused of crying on the inside and I'm not gonna say it was wrong.

Lauren: 3:25

Yeah, she did call it inner crying, which I love. I want Frank to do more of that. I keep pushing him for the inner child work.

Frank: 3:36

Listen, I'm a stoic, strong boy, I'm very manly and men don't cry.

Lauren: 3:43

We all cry.

Frank: 3:45

Flip the script, let's go. They want to hear this. Yeah, they only hear Nicole.

Lauren: 3:49

Let's get to it here's.

Frank: 3:55

Nicole Marie.

Nicole: 3:56

All right, I just started panicking thinking what am I on the right call? Oh no, you're on the right.

Frank: 4:01

Here's the truth of the matter. Nicole Lauren just took a giant bite of a uh of peanut butter and I was waiting for her to stop picking the peanut butter out of her mouth.

Lauren: 4:09

Before we came online, I was just sitting here watching lauren chew I had to drop our kids off, so I came back it was like, oh no, I feel starving, I just need to eat, like a bite of something. But I was literally like shoving into my mouth, so I'm really sorry that I made you wait, no worries. So, nicole Marie, thank you so much for joining us today. On Claire Voyaging Thank you, nice to meet you guys, nice to meet you. So we love hearing people's stories and journeys, so can you just, to start off with, tell us a little bit about yourself and what got you into the work that you're doing now?

Nicole: 4:55

Well, before I took this spiritual path, I was a money hungry, power hungry, just chasing. You know, to be the top tier of this profession and career that I was in in the medical field, and my focuses were all in the wrong space. And I realized one day that I was very, very unhappy. I had a lot of pain and trauma from my childhood that was unresolved and it was just creating this chase for unfulfilling things outside of myself Money, vehicles, fancy houses, fancy clothes and I was just left feeling very, very fulfilled. So I ended up moving away to another city and going through a very, very hard time.

Nicole: 5:41

I hit, I guess what you would call a rock bottom, which led me to a very, very hard time. I hit I guess what you would call a rock bottom which led me to a very, very dark space, but also led me to a very light space at the same time, and it's I guess some people might call it like a little bit of an awakening, but I believe that is what happened to me in that rock bottom and it led me to this awakening of self, a connection with self, a relationship with self, chasing all of those things outside of myself. I had no idea what a relationship with self was. I had no idea what self-love was. I had no idea what I was even doing or being in the world, and I started meditating. I started playing cards for myself and it just started erupting very quickly and it landed me here in a sustainable business of of cards and mediumship.

Lauren: 6:31

Whoa OK. So a lot of people's stories are like as a kid, I sensed this and that. Like, did you have feelings as a kid? Like sensitivities? As a kid like sensitivities, I'm sure.

Nicole: 6:43

I did. But my childhood was so fear-based and so trauma-based that all of that was probably just shut right down. I lived in a very hypervigilant, fear-based environment so I didn't have time to have that relationship with self. So we are all born intuitive. We are all born with the ability to connect intuitively. We are all born intuitive, we are all born with the ability to connect intuitively. But when you're a sort of a product of your environment, it's really hard to make those kinds of connections. So it wasn't until I started choosing a relationship with self that I started acknowledging that I had intuition and I had the ability to connect.

Lauren: 7:22

Oh, this is so interesting because, like hearing about your gifts just popping in at like in adulthood, is so fascinating to me. Was there a moment where you were like there's a some kind of spirit that's trying to communicate with me, like a first moment?

Nicole: 7:42

It wasn't necessarily me starting a connection with spirit outside of myself. It was more so connecting with my own spirit, which is the basis of everything in life. It's connecting with our own spirit, our own self, and my journey started there, not so much with the connection outside of self. So the meditation started opening me up to energy. My own energy, my own frequencies started opening me up to energy my own energy, my own frequencies. It started really putting in front of me the masks I was wearing, the guards that I had up, the blocks, the barriers, the resistance that I was living in, the struggle, the chaos, the pain, the trauma, and so I think I had to move my way through all of those barriers before I could really start accessing, you know, the energy outside of self in terms of like, mediumship and connecting with spirits. So it always starts inside, it starts with your relationship within yourself.

Lauren: 8:36

That's kind of what we keep hearing, yeah.

Frank: 8:38

How long was the process from when you first started working on yourself to when you actually realized that you could do this as a as a business?

Nicole: 8:47

Um, my process happened very quickly and I like to tell people that I'm not really the norm and you shouldn't really go based on me because it happened so fast and, um, it opened so quickly for me. So by the time I realized, okay, there's something more to who I am, there's something more to life. By the time I realized, okay, there's something more to who I am, there's something more to life, by the time I realized that and started really delving into reading cards and doing mediumship and healing sessions, that span of time was probably no more than a year and so people would come to me and, yeah, they would come to me just blown away by sessions and they would say, oh my gosh, you've been doing this for what?

Nicole: 9:25

15, 20 years and I'm like no, two weeks. So it just goes to show that when you choose it and you really choose to open up to yourself, there is no limits. You can, you can open up at whatever pace you want and some people just get get. They get sort of stuck in their barriers and their blocks and their limiting beliefs and their resistance and it's like all of mine just blew wide open and it was like here I am just raw, authentic and vulnerable and let's just get started here. So it happened very, very quickly.

Frank: 9:59

I mean even lately for me. I've been realizing that I still have a hard time shedding my own self-limiting beliefs and it's causing some problem. I acknowledge that they're there, but at the same time it's also like those are my existence guardrails and like I don't know how to exist outside of them. So you putting yourself in that very vulnerable space I'm sure allows for the growth.

Nicole: 10:20

Yeah, we operate in limiting beliefs all day long, from the tiniest of things, the smallest of things. So I'm all about looking at the little ones and sort of moving through those tiny little ones, because you can't really go from zero to 60. You kind of have to start small, start with the little ones and move your way to the bigger ones, to the bigger ones, and that sort of happens organically when you start moving through the little ones, because there's always a succession of little ones that are leading up to the giant ones that are hard to face. The big ones are hard to face. So most people just they push them aside and it's like that's too hard, that's too much. I don't want to dig into that. I'm scared, I'm fearful, whatever we tell ourselves, and then so we just put it on the back burner and then we still sit in the same space.

Lauren: 11:04

Yeah, I've noticed, especially because I'm in like a new level of resurfacing things, because I'm like, ok, deeper healing needs to happen, and anyone who is actively listening to our podcast is probably hearing like Lauren's talking about her healing.

Frank: 11:21

Lauren's going to cry at any moment.

Lauren: 11:23

Yeah, she's on the verge of tears. Here we go. But you know, if someone says like you gotta undo your limited beliefs or like say some mantras, or here's a money manifestation thing or whatever, it's a little more surface level and sometimes you have to like get deeper and dig a little deeper to figure out where that mindset came from, and sometimes that like that's how you kind of just start dismantling it. So if you're you were doing like this healing work and like working on these traumas, that makes sense, that one little thing at a time you can like start undoing it.

Nicole: 12:03

Yeah, you really have to get down to the core of things, like there's so many things on top of the core that we operate in and I find that day to day because people often think, okay, I need to set aside time to do my healing. I need to set aside time, it needs to be restricted, it needs to be in a timeline and really I utilize all day, every day, to do my healing. I really take a look at the factors and the world around me. I take a look at my triggers and my judgments that happen outside of self and I really start asking myself questions. When you're triggered by someone or something, it's easy to point the finger and you know, say, okay, they're responsible for that, they hurt me, they did this to me. But when you really go within and look at where that trigger comes from, within your own self, that's where you're going to access all of those limiting beliefs, the pain, the trauma, the wounds and all of your internal stuff.

Nicole: 12:55

We are so busy operating in the external world, which was where my story started. Everything was outside of self, everything was pointing the finger outside of self, connected to everything outside of self, and when we really start internalizing it and asking ourselves those questions. That's really where we get to know ourselves. We get to know what makes us tick, we get to know what triggers us. We get to know what leads us to blame or shame or withdrawal or whatever reactions or choices that we operate in on a day-to-day basis. And it can be something as simple as you know. Somebody says something to you and you start feeling a certain way that trigger's coming from within you, because that same person could say the same thing to someone else and they would not even pay a sniff of attention to it. So our triggers are our own stuff, yeah.

Frank: 13:48

That's own stuff. Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, so I've realized that as an adult with kids and like being busy all day long, I'll acknowledge my own triggers, like I try to. I have a certain amount of like self-awareness enough to do that but I also have a tendency to be like oh yeah, you know, I'm going to take care of that later, when I have more time and I never have more time and I start collecting all this stuff that I need to like work through and I very rarely get to it and it's a bummer.

Lauren: 14:17

You just have to start crying in the middle of the day, in the middle of your podcast, in the middle of your podcast episode.

Frank: 14:23

Lauren is trending and crying on the internet these days.

Nicole: 14:27

Lauren is trending and crying on the internet these days I did see a few of those videos, and that's actually what it really is about. It's allowing yourself to access where you are at authentically and unapologetically in the moment, instead of oh you know, I'll cry later, I'm not in a good space, or I'll think about that later, or I'll deal with that later. It's about giving yourself permission to access what you need to see in that moment and incorporate it into your day.

Frank: 14:51

Yeah.

Lauren: 14:52

You ready? You want to start crying.

Frank: 14:54

Quick pinch me. This is going to be great content. Pinch me really hard.

Lauren: 14:57

Let's trigger Frank to cry.

Frank: 15:00

Yeah, healing in the moment. Healing in the moment. I need to be better at that. Since your awakening was so in such a short duration of time. How did your friends and family react to that? Was it like Nicole's straight up cuckoo right now, or is it? Was it? Tell me about that a little bit if you don't mind.

Nicole: 15:22

Yeah, it was a lot of hmm, how did you go from that to that? Something's not right here. And it was a lot of loss of friends, loss of um, certain situations, places, bases, and I had to be okay with that. If people weren't willing to meet me where I was at and to see me where I was at, then I just there was an uneasy feeling within me that knew that it. The energetic connection just wasn't there. And I also had a lot of people in my life who just wanted to be quiet about everything and not talk about it. And some of those people are still in my life and it just remains sort of compartmentalized and we just don't talk about it. So there's a, there's a few variations of it, but I still remain authentically who I am and I'm not going to change who I am to suit people outside of me. I'm going to be who I am and if people aren't, you know, sort of on board with that, then bye.

Frank: 16:21

Did you find that a lot of your old relationships were based on that, your, your former mentality? Yes, a lot of my old relationships were based on that.

Nicole: 16:27

Your your former mentality. Yes, a lot of my old relationships were based on Nicole being in a trauma space, nicole being in guards and barriers and pain and responding from that, because whatever our relationship is within our own self is going to be our relationship with everybody and everything around us. Everything's a relationship money, work relationships, home, food's a relationship. So wherever we are at within our own self is going to be sort of a mirror relationship outside of self. My relationship was toxicity and trauma, so I drew in relationships of toxicity and trauma.

Frank: 17:05

So to get to Nicole 2.0, you had to I'm sure you had to like, as gracefully as possible, walk away from a lot of those relationships Like what's the strategy for for people who want to get to the next version of themselves? What's, in your experience, what was the best strategy to shed those relationships that didn't necessarily serve you?

Nicole: 17:24

Yeah Well, instead of shedding or get ridding, I more so want to look at it in terms of I use those relationships as a means to look within and to see what needed to shift and change and be accepted within myself. So instead of oh my gosh, this is toxic, I need to get away from this I started looking at okay, why do I have this connection? Why do I have this draw? Why do I have this draw? What is matching in this relationship that I maybe don't like within myself that I need to look at when are the limiting beliefs here that have led me to this situation? So I used it all as healing and when you start looking at those components that lead you to certain spaces, places and faces, you can start to make changes to those so that you don't end up in them time and time and time again.

Frank: 18:11

So if you were able to kind of like recognize yourself in some of the more toxic people around you, were you able to bring anybody with you along in your own healing journey?

Lauren: 18:21

Yeah, I was going to ask that if people around you started healing as well.

Nicole: 18:26

Yes, because people have a choice. When there's someone who's operating in a healing space, a space of authenticity and just rawness and vulnerability that creates the space for other people to recognize that energy, it's up to them whether or not they choose to step into it and do their own growth and their own healing, or whether or not they choose to just turn a blind eye and just stay put where they are. So there are a few people in my life who stepped into that frequency and chose to do their own work on an individual basis, not because of me, but because they recognized it within themselves. And so, yes, there are a few people that did grow with me along the way.

Frank: 19:10

But also maybe a little bit because of you A little bit.

Lauren: 19:12

because of you, you did it. When someone starts healing or someone starts kind of like expanding their light or whatever, however you want to put it, a lot of times the people around them, it almost like inspires, or it's like contagious, like I don't know. There's something about that. It can inspire.

Nicole: 19:37

It can inspire or be contagious, or it can be super triggering. So it's either one or the other and the person has to choose. Do I want to be inspired and do I want to step into that growth, or am I triggered? Do I want to be inspired and do I want to step into that growth, or am I triggered and I want nothing to do with this person?

Lauren: 19:51

right, right yeah, yeah, that's true. Once you started realizing that you could connect and practice your mediumship, were did. Were you like I got to take a class, I got to join a practice group or anything like that, or were you just like I'm just gonna do my thing I did?

Nicole: 20:09

a lot of courses over the years. So I've been on the spiritual path for about 15 years. I have done a massive handful of courses. They didn't really.

Nicole: 20:19

You can take as many courses as you want, you can have as many certificates as you want, but until you start deeply doing the work and it it has to come from the inside it's not really going to translate into anything. You again you can say, oh, I took a course so I can do this for you, I can connect for you. But until it's coming from the inner space it doesn't really mean much Choosing to dive into. My journey of healing opened me up and allowed me to make those energetic connections on a more sort of inner, authentic level. And once I started tuning into that it did sort of just start happening organically and I just started running with it. I didn't really find myself that I needed to force it or to push it to happen. It just started really unfolding quickly that I needed to force it or to push it to happen. It just started really unfolding quickly and I just ran with it.

Lauren: 21:12

That's so cool.

Frank: 21:13

When you first started experiencing like your mediumship abilities and stuff, what was what was initially coming through and what was your reaction to it?

Nicole: 21:19

It took me by surprise the very first time that it happened, because I was so used to doing card sessions and healing sessions which were very contained within myself and my own intuition and my own spirit, and the first time it happened it's like I felt a presence from outside of self and I knew that it wasn't my own self. So I started kind of connecting with that and I started hearing words and kind of sensing. I started kind of connecting with that and I started hearing words and kind of sensing things coming from that spirit, if you will, and relaying the messages to the client and it all just jived and it unfolded again so organically that I just started tuning more and more into that and I let spirit lead me and guide me. When you're authentically tuned into the spirit world, you can't really be steered wrong. You just let them lead you and guide you on the path.

Frank: 22:13

So did you have any discomfort, like initially saying I'm think I'm getting a message the first time you started, or were you like kind of immediately, like oh, this is really cool, I'm getting this?

Nicole: 22:22

I think it was more this is really cool. It was so long ago and I remember thinking, okay, what is this, I'm just going to give it and I'm just going to share this, and because it hits so quickly, and she was like yes, yes, yes, I'm like wow, okay, this is super cool. I guess this is what I am now.

Frank: 22:40

What a nice, like immediate confirmation, that's really cool.

Lauren: 22:44

Did you start learning like tarot readings or Oracle cards Cause. I've seen you on TikTok doing like Oracle cards and stuff Like what's your thing?

Nicole: 22:52

Yeah, oracle cards and tarot cards. I don't read tarot like other people traditionally read it. Lots of them memorize the meanings of it. I just read everything intuitively, whatever comes to me, and so, yeah, I do a lot of that. I do healing sessions, and mediumship seems to be my baby. I just really, really love that connection and the healing that it offers for people.

Lauren: 23:14

Yeah, Do you tap into a psychic element too, or is it like this is all just mediumship?

Nicole: 23:23

I keep them separate. When I do mediumship, I'm connecting to people's departed loved ones. When I do card readings, it's connecting to intuition, spirit guides.

Lauren: 23:32

Okay, okay.

Nicole: 23:33

So yeah, like what's going on in someone's, just in someone's, like human life, yes, that's separate, that would be me, operating in my intuition yeah, them very separate, because I don't want people to think that, oh, this is a message from your loved one and your loved one is telling you how to orchestrate your day and how to move through your patterns and your blocks. I like to just make sure that they are aware that when it's their loved ones coming through, that those messages are separate.

Frank: 23:59

Yeah, that's cool. I have a question I'm not saying this about Nicole, everybody, this is how she said it the money, the money hungry version of Nicole. I'm curious, like what, your, what's your relationship with, with money now?

Nicole: 24:13

So now, instead of chasing it and thinking that I need it in order to be something, I now just operate from the inside with the. You know the connection of the relationship with money operating from the inside. So when you start having a healthier relationship with yourself, you will start having a healthier relationship with money, because that's a relationship as well. So I feel like I'm less in the chase aspect of it and more in the flow aspect of it. I don't feel that fear and that limiting belief that is making me need to like, find it and make it and, you know, generate it.

Nicole: 24:52

It sort of just flows when I am in the authentic space of doing what I love and purpose and passion. But we often operate outside of self, thinking that we need the money and then I'll be happy. But when we are happy on the inside, it sort of flows more organically and we are just abundant beings innately. That is the essence of who we are. So if we just really start tuning into our passion, our purpose, our happiness, from the inside, it starts to flow instead of feeling like we have to chase it.

Lauren: 25:24

That's a big difference. Yes, we have to chase it. That's a big difference. Yes, he's got the thinking pen.

Frank: 25:33

Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking, well, okay, full disclosure, I'm going to be vulnerable for a second. So, like I lost my job in November and since we've been doing a lot of the podcasting and all that stuff and I'm coming to a point now where I'm like, damn, I need to figure this out. But also, as far as creativity goes and stuff, this has been kind of my flow state but I haven't necessarily found out how to bring in funds to make our lives operate. And now I'm wondering, oh, dang Nicole's telling me I need to love myself first here and I'm like maybe that's the problem.

Lauren: 26:09

I'm dealing with the internal stuff first, and then it's got to come from within.

Nicole: 26:12

You really need to keep. You need to keep following that creativity and that inspiration and that spark and that passion, because that will lead to the doors opening Again. We operate outside of self and we think exactly what you think Okay, I need to find a door, I need to make something happen, I need to chase this, I need where is the door. But when you really start just flowing in that internal energy and letting that just sort of fill your cup, that is going to create the doors and create the pathways. Now, whether or not you are in front of the door to say, oh, there is the door, I'm going to open it, that's's a whole different story, right?

Frank: 26:47

This has already been a very nice interview I have a lot of work to do.

Lauren: 26:53

I'm just trying to. I'm excited for the tears to come from Frank's face.

Frank: 26:59

I think you're digging this right now because you're still mad that I was mad about you taking a big bite of peanut butter before we started the podcast first.

Lauren: 27:06

You weren't going to mention the peanut butter before we started the podcast first.

Frank: 27:07

You weren't gonna mention the peanut butter, and I'm only mentioning the peanut butter. Sorry you had to hear this, nicole sorry, you had peanut butter has feelings too.

Lauren: 27:17

The peanut butter has learned to love itself. Okay, you do like tiktok live readings. I've like been in a live reading where there's just like comments, just nonstop, and questions and all this stuff. Are you like let me just pick out one person's question and connect to them, even though you can't see them? You like only have their name or maybe their username or something. Please tell me about that process. It's so interesting to me.

Nicole: 27:51

So it's all intuition. It's again. What I've been talking about is that inner state, and that is what leads me or prompts me to choose. So it's not me thinking with my active mind. Who do I need to choose? What door do I need to open? Where do I need to go? It's more so accessing that intuitive space within me, and I'm usually drawn to a certain statement or a certain name, or I'm led to it, or it's a prompt from within and I just sort of follow that guidance and it usually doesn't steer me wrong.

Nicole: 28:22

Now, when there's a lot of chaos in the room, that can sort of start creating a little bit of a fog or a haze and then comes in the healthy boundaries, and I feel like we really need to start as a whole, collectively, looking at our boundaries and making sure that they're healthy boundaries. And so I do not operate very well in chaos. It starts to energetically frazzle me. Very well, in chaos, it starts to energetically frazzle me. So when that happens, I usually start implementing boundaries and sort of getting my energy in check, because when our energy is not in check, we are not in the space to to see those doorways or to be led intuitively or to follow the passion or the spark.

Frank: 29:02

I mean, I was going to ask you between the hearts popping up on screens and like the non like, nonstop comments. With so many people like watching you and trying to communicate with you, do you have just a steady flow of like community communication coming from the ether?

Lauren: 29:16

Oh yeah.

Frank: 29:18

Like you're getting. You're getting bombarded on two fronts.

Nicole: 29:22

No, I usually have the ability to sort of streamline it into the person that I'm connecting with and the spirit that I'm connecting with. There can be moments of sort of chaos connecting if there's a lot of people's loved ones, you know all there at once. But I have the ability to sort of filter through it and if I don't, for whatever reason within myself, then I just move forward or I end that reading or I, you know, do something differently. But it's really about being able to tune out the outer world and all of that stuff around just to kind of hone in on the on the streamline of energy.

Frank: 29:59

Okay, so it seems like you have a natural ability to be very focused. Is that, would you say that's accurate?

Nicole: 30:05

I would say it's accurate in certain settings. So if you've seen me tiktok lives, when it starts to get chaotic, it's like okay, I cannot do this. So we need to change some things right now so that I can be sort of focused, and and it's more so, I don't know if focus is the right word because I sort of want to unfocus, unfocus on on the reality parameters and sort of tune into the energetic parameters.

Frank: 30:31

So then, is it instead of a not focusing, is it the boundaries that are keeping you in check?

Nicole: 30:36

The boundaries keep everything in check for everybody, on every level and every aspect. So if we don't have healthy boundaries within ourselves, we are going to be lost. We are going to end up in frazzled situations, in impatient situations, in desperate situations, in chaotic situations. So yeah, the, the, the boundaries allow me to sort of manage my outside world while also managing the connection to spirit and the and the inside energetic world.

Frank: 31:06

What boundaries do you specifically keep at the forefront of your mind?

Nicole: 31:11

Um with spirit. I set out a lot of boundaries that they can't come to me in the middle of the night. They can't come to me in the bathroom, um, and I don't want random people's loved ones just showing up in the grocery store, so I shut all of that off. I don't want random people's loved ones just showing up in the grocery store, so I shut all of that off. I don't want that on and wide open all day, every day. That would make me crazy.

Lauren: 31:30

Yeah, I was going to ask you about that?

Nicole: 31:34

The spirit I only open up when I'm ready to read.

Lauren: 31:37

Okay, yeah, I was going to ask you about that because this awakening, or whatever however you call it, happened so quickly. I was going to ask if, at first, there was a little bit that happened with with actual physical people as well.

Nicole: 32:04

And with spirits where it just again. I use everything as a teaching tool to learn what I need to shift and change, to maintain healthy boundaries and a healthy relationship with self. So if something happened that I thought, ok, this isn't going to put me in a good space or this isn't healthy for me, I would set another boundary and just get, get my energy and check in my energy and order and just correct it moving forward, so that again we don't find ourselves in the same situations over and over and then frustrated, and instead just tackle it in a moment.

Frank: 32:36

The boundaries that you set up with spirit. Is that something that you are asking of them, or is it something that you set up yourself?

Nicole: 32:44

I think it's more so my own boundaries for my own self, and they just honor and respect that.

Frank: 32:49

Does everybody honor and respect that, or have you ever been like dude? I said no.

Nicole: 32:57

Spirit isn't really that way. Your crossed over loved ones aren't overbearing and they're nothing but love, and so you know there may be some. If they had a jokey personality when they were living, then there there can be some jokey stuff in there, but other than that they're nothing but love. So they're pure respect and they honor Okay.

Lauren: 33:16

But everyone's smile like the jokey ones they might give you like a wet Willie and say, fine, I'll go, but first I'm not going anywhere. Just back to the live readings. Are there situations where you've connected with someone and they write to you afterwards and then do like a full reading, or are you like I'll never hear from any of these people again?

Nicole: 33:43

reading or are you like I'll never hear from any of these people again. Lots of times they do book private sessions with me, Um, so lots of my business does come from doing the TikTok live, so it gives sort of people a small taste of how I operate as a medium, the style that I operate in, and there are people that I never hear from again. There are people that maybe never come to my lives again and and whatever people want to do with their, you know, whatever they get from me or receive from me, that's up to them. But I do hear from many people afterwards.

Lauren: 34:12

Yes, yeah. Do you find that some people show up in your live readings Like prove it? Are there skeptics that show up in your life there, definitely are.

Nicole: 34:22

Yeah, it's good to be a healthy skeptic. That is a healthy space to be in. Cynicism is not so. When people come into my live feeds and I get it a lot prove it to me. Prove it to me and I'll book a reading with you. Make me a believer. My response is I have no desire to prove anything to you. You are. My response is I have no desire to give anything to you. You are welcome to stay, and if that happens on its own, great. If it doesn't, great. Uh. Either way, none of it. I'm not going to lose sleep at night over it. So you know it's. It goes with everything in life. Some people are drawn to the color blue, some people aren't. Some people like apples, some people don't. So it just depends where the energy connection is, and I don't have a desire to fight to keep people in my life or in my lives.

Lauren: 35:10

Have you had any situations where someone's like I didn't believe in any of this, but now your reading proved it.

Nicole: 35:18

I've had many of those, because when spirit brings through their pieces of evidence, it lets you know little, tiny things that I would not know, and there has, there have been, things that you know. A client has said I haven't told anybody that nobody knew, that I was only thinking that, and and they bring through such validation that you, you can't deny the tiny little factors that nobody knew about or that you know just happened this morning before the reading. So there are many times when there's such profound things that come through that are undeniable. And there was also one lady on my TikTok live feed who said that she used to be an atheist and now she's a believer. So it happens.

Lauren: 36:04

Whoa how about that that's so cool.

Frank: 36:07

Let me ask you about your tarot workflow Cause it seems like you use it in a very like personalized, unique way.

Nicole: 36:12

Do you?

Frank: 36:13

use any of the typical like spreads that people tend to use, or is it just like? Are you just pulling cards and seeing what happens?

Nicole: 36:19

I am usually just pulling cards, cards and seeing what happens. I am usually just pulling cards and seeing what happens. I used to do the spreads. I used to have a very structured, organized way of utilizing my intuition, but I realized those were limiting beliefs as well. So I just let it go and I let spirit speak to me through the cards, my intuition speak to me through the cards, and just let it flow organically. That's how it should be. It should just be an organic flow instead of structure. The structure is our ego minds just putting limitations on everything. Yeah, it's always interesting.

Lauren: 36:51

Everybody's different.

Frank: 36:52

So do you have a favorite deck or anything?

Nicole: 36:54

I have a lot of favorite decks, because I probably have close to a hundred. Oh wow, oh wait, I have a lot.

Frank: 37:01

Oh my.

Lauren: 37:02

God.

Frank: 37:02

That's amazing. Nicole Marie tarot deck collector. I like this.

Lauren: 37:05

Yeah.

Frank: 37:07

Is that part of your intuition too? Do you like decide what deck you're going to use that day?

Nicole: 37:11

Totally. Yeah, my intuition leads me to which, where I'm drawn to and what deck I use. And sometimes I use a few decks for one reading. Sometimes I only use one deck. Uh, sometimes I just pull one card and just energetically open up to the flow of it and I don't even need the cards, because we don't really need the cards. It's just a tool outside of self as well.

Lauren: 37:30

Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's what Juan Francisco said the other day too. Yeah, yeah he did.

Frank: 37:36

He's talked about like having a little bit of experiencing some trauma when you were younger and all that stuff. Were these like multiple opportunities where you could have, like maybe shifted your mindset, or do you really feel like it required hitting rock bottom to get to where you are today?

Nicole: 37:52

I feel like the the best answer would be we all have the ability to access this without hitting a tanking rock bottom. Um, however, this without hitting a tanking rock bottom. However, I was so trapped in my pain and my trauma that I'm not sure how long it would have taken me to get my way out of that. So, you know, I think I personally that rock bottom really did open me up, but I would like to think and say that we don't need to hit that rock bottom in order to access that, that intuition.

Nicole: 38:25

And, you know, in terms of awakening, like I'm sort of I use that term loosely because people often think, well, I need to go through an awakening. So now Nicole said that she had an awakening and I want to wait for my awakening. But in essence, we have awakening every single day. Every aha moment, every little bit of healing and learning and growth is an opportunity or a chance to awaken in in a little way, and when we, when we choose all of those small little factors, it can lead to the big awakening without it being, you know, a rock bottom sort of crushing scenario in life yeah, yeah.

Frank: 39:21

Do you feel like the rock bottom thing is the thing that you needed, though? Or is, or.

Nicole: 39:25

I do feel like I needed it. It totally just like smashed me wide open and I feel like it probably would have taken me 25 to 30 more years to chisel through the, the the rock barriers that I had built up.

Frank: 39:41

I mean, I, I, I'm. I'm sorry that happened, but also I think it's really cool Like to have to be provided with the experience of like having to go through such a hard time to get to such better times. I think that's really interesting.

Lauren: 39:55

Yeah, sometimes you I mean some of it is can be just recognizing that there is trauma and then figuring out how to move forward or heal it, and then kind of get get a little deeper.

Frank: 40:10

Yeah, Like like Nicole is saying, you don't have to like wake up and suddenly your eyes are glowing and you know everything. Like you can wake up one day and decide maybe today's not the day to eat a big bite of peanut butter before the podcast, and you, and now you're for someone who said you're not going to bring this up.

Lauren: 40:25

We are really. We're really talking about you. Say no peanut butter.

Frank: 40:28

And then you're suddenly five percent more psychic that day. And that's all it takes, little chisel, little chisel, I am alive. It's the worst metaphor ever, but I got my dig in, so I'm pretty happy about it but again I just want to reiterate that it has to come from the inside.

Nicole: 40:45

So I didn't start my healing journey and looking at my trauma and wanting to heal all of those things because I wanted to be a card reader and I wanted to be a medium that would be me searching and chasing outside.

Frank: 40:57

Chasing yeah.

Nicole: 40:57

Right. So I started the work inside of myself for me, because of me, because I knew that I needed to build that relationship with myself. And it just so happened that the cards in the mediumship became a beautiful, abundant byproduct. But it came from the inside, not from me chasing it from the outside.

Frank: 41:16

Yeah, you were trying to explore your authenticity, your authentic self, first, and the rest came along with it.

Nicole: 41:26

It just lined up, it just unfolded. That's kind of what I was saying earlier. We don't need to make the doors happen, we don't need to figure out how to how to find those doors. They are going to unfold when we operate from that inner space and follow the, the excitement, the passion, the spark, the fulfillment. Yeah, yeah, he's just thinking over there. So this is this is uh.

Lauren: 41:47

I feel like this combo is very helpful for frank.

Frank: 41:50

There's some unlocking happening today, so I've been told in the past that I have add and I sometimes wonder, like in the event of like, let's assume for a second that I live into my full authenticity and I have something of a very slow it doesn't have to be an awakening a very slow realizing If the doors open in front of me, how do I know I'm not just making up that door and it's actually a real opportunity or a real thing that I can, like I should go after? I'm trying to avoid using the word chase. It's so built into my terminology that that's how I know I have a problem.

Nicole: 42:24

But how do you know when it's the right thing by your feeling you're going to know if you feel good about that thing or if you don't feel good about that thing. So it's kind of letting that internal center guide you and so you feel good about it. You step through that door then say some things unfold that are that start to not feel good. Then you make a different choice or you do something differently or you change your mind. But following that good feeling, that exciting feeling, that spark feeling, that's really where it's at. And sometimes we open a door and we think that, okay, this is it, this is the door. But sometimes opening that door leads to another door or meeting another person or meeting another doorway and we get so caught up in okay, well, that was the door and it didn't happen. And now I don't feel good. So I guess I'm done and I'll just go back to my regular scheduled program. But it's about still continuing to follow that energy and follow that flow.

Lauren: 43:22

Yeah that's a great. Yeah, I've been talking about something similar to that, because I learned Reiki in the last like six months, as our listeners know, and I'm like, oh, I'm going to do I want to be like a one on one Reiki practitioner. And it's like, ok, well, well, now that door is, it's open. But I'm like, hmm, that's not quite what I want to do. I kind of want to do more like group things, but each door that's that's opening. I'm like, well, there's a reason that I'm following this path, so I'm just gonna keep seeing what's happening. I'm in the flow of like learning Reiki. What you just said resonated with me, because I'm like, yeah, there's a reason. I don't have to just be like I shut it down, you know.

Nicole: 44:09

Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like energy is opening up. A little doorway opens here, another little doorway opens there, and it's, you know, gauging the emotional center, like, okay, maybe that doesn't feel right, right, okay, that feels a little bit more right, and you just keep moving through that energy. But here's my question for you um, there is, uh, what I hear from you is okay, I would like to be a reiki practitioner, I would like to do the one-on-one, I would like to do the groups and and not I don't want to say the word chase, but that's what you're looking for outside of self. But my question to you is are you doing the reiki on yourself?

Lauren: 44:43

that's a good question because, yeah, there's a lot of times I frank, I'll be like I have a headache. He's like did you give yourself reiki?

Frank: 44:50

and I'm like well, let's be honest I don't say did you give yourself reiki? I said, oh man, I wish we knew a reiki practitioner who could help you with that it's, oh, it's too bad.

Lauren: 44:59

You don't have this magical healing energy within you that could help you with that, and I'll be like, oh right, I think about it for other people and I don't think about it for myself as much. So great question, nicole.

Nicole: 45:12

Thank you, yes, and so I would say that you know, we are often busy looking for these, these tangible doors. But I would say him asking you, oh, or saying the statement I wish we knew a Reiki practitioner. That was a doorway, that was a doorway for you to open and say, yes, I should be doing Reiki on myself Because when we start again building that relationship with self, healing that relationship with self, that is going to fill that internal cup and lead to more doorways yeah, yes, I create to more doorways, yeah, yes.

Frank: 45:43

I create passive, aggressive doorways.

Lauren: 45:48

It's all. It's all out of love and a little bit of aggression.

Frank: 45:54

It's just the peanut butter. It's the peanut butter.

Lauren: 45:56

It's really sitting with us today.

Frank: 45:59

And you're the roof of your mouth I can hear it still the. So one of the things that I I deal with personally, or I have been dealing with, is like going on this journey and trying not to about face and say, oh God, I need to go do back to what I was doing before my comfort zone, which made me very unhappy, just because, like, maybe you hit like a very small roadblock, or like things aren't always easy, I'm I'm really trying not to let that fear make me turn back around and and and go back to the old ways. That's more of a confession, not a question.

Lauren: 46:30

Yeah, Thank you for coming to our Ted talk today. I feel like this has been a helpful Frank.

Frank: 46:42

This has been a helpful one.

Lauren: 46:43

This has been a helpful one, Frank.

Frank: 46:44

Frank session yeah, I need to go meditate.

Lauren: 46:46

Nicole, this has been awesome. You are, you are lovely.

Frank: 46:49

Do you have any like last words of advice, if you want? And now I don't mean last, as in you're dying now and what are your last thoughts?

Lauren: 46:56

Um, I don't think anyone thought of it that way.

Frank: 46:59

No just you. Okay, that's me. Yeah, that's that checks out. Do your healing frank? Yeah, okay, any parting uh bits of advice for anybody who's wanting to get started on their uh either their healing journey or trying to.

Nicole: 47:13

You know, become more intuitive your relationship with self will always be the foundation of everything around you. Your relationship with self will always be the foundation of everything around you. Your relationship with self will be what leads you forward in the world and it will be the most important factor in your life. Everything stems back to your relationship with self. If something isn't working for you, something isn't going your way, something isn't lining up, take a look at your relationship with self and what needs to be fine tuned there.

Nicole: 47:44

So we have to make it about us really, and there's sort of a stigma that we should make it about everybody else in the world, and that's what has created a world full of people pleasers and everybody sort of operating outside of self. So your relationship with self and some people don't even know what that is or where to begin, but it's, you know. Just start asking yourself questions on a daily, regular basis. Why did I do that? Why do I feel that way? Why is it happening that way? Why did I choose that? And it just start the slow process.

Lauren: 48:19

Yeah, that's a good. Yeah, that's good advice. If you're not just paying more attention, what is the joke that you're?

Frank: 48:27

Oh, there's no joke, I was going to say fine, Nicole.

Lauren: 48:30

Okay, fine, you're very tight and pensive right now. This is fun. I love what's happening. Tight and like, like pensive right now. This is this is fun, I love. I love what's happening, because it's been me having these like little kind of not meltdowns but like a meltdown me you're not having a meltdown this is just interesting.

Nicole: 49:00

This is his inner cry happening, his inner cry happening. His inner cry, yes, yes.

Lauren: 49:05

Mine is very external, mine. Just I'm like, well, it's coming out, I can't stop it. But for you, yeah, it's an inner cry like that.

Frank: 49:14

Inner cry Frank's inner cry.

Lauren: 49:17

Yeah.

Nicole: 49:19

Nicole thank you so much. Give us all your plugs. How can people find you? My website is NicoleMarie444.com.

Lauren: 49:27

Her TikTok is cool. Find her live readings.

Nicole: 49:30

They're fun, yes, all my handles are in my website, so the best way to find me is through my website.

Frank: 49:36

Cool Yay. Thank you, Nicole.

Nicole: 49:37

We'll talk to you soon.

Frank: 49:38

Thank you guys.

Lauren: 49:39

Have a great one.

Frank: 49:46

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