029: Evidential Hairvoyant // with Megan Alisa

We are joined by Megan Alisa, an evidential psychic and spiritual medium. She's also a hairdresser. Megan opens up about a life-changing experience in her teenage years that set her on a path to mediumship, and how her creative professions further sharpened her intuitive gifts.

In our conversation with Megan, we explore the intersection of trauma, healing, and spiritual growth. We discuss the transformative power of therapy and shadow work, and how personal experiences, no matter how painful, can be alchemized into wisdom and humor. Through the lens of Megan's work, we highlight how turning life's challenges into spiritual milestones can inspire and uplift others.

Feeling stuck with meditation? Megan's got you covered. She shares her insights on overcoming resistance to meditation, offering alternative methods to achieve a meditative state, especially for those with ADHD or other neurodivergent conditions. We also discuss the intriguing distinctions between mental and trance mediumship. If you're curious about developing your intuitive abilities, this episode is a treasure trove of practical tips and inspiring anecdotes to deepen your connection with the spirit world.

To learn more about Megan Alisa, or to book a reading:
Visit: https://www.meganalisamedium.com/
Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@meganalisamedium
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Transcript

Lauren: 0:01

Hello friends, in today's episode we talked to Megan Elisa, an evidential psychic and spiritual medium. She's so down to earth and cool, and we talked about trance healing, spirit cabinets. I learned that ectoplasm is a real thing and not just a Ghostbusters thing, and we also talked a lot about healing and trusting yourself. She's basically my new therapist. I'm your host, lauren.

Frank: 0:25

They say, I'm Frank.

Lauren: 0:27

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 29 of Clairvoyaging Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging Snapping it out. She's snapping it out, yeah.

Frank: 0:55

Hi, lauren's twerking. Right now I'm in my seat.

Lauren: 0:58

Twerking it twerking, it Is that what they call it. No, hello, hello everybody. Twerking it Twerking, it Is that what they call it. No, mm-mm, hello.

Frank: 1:08

Hello everybody.

Lauren: 1:09

Hello everyone. Well, I hope you're having a great day, guys. Frank you having a good day.

Frank: 1:15

I think so.

Lauren: 1:15

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Frank: 1:28

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Lauren: 1:32

No, I wanted like a horn, I have a. Oh, I no, actually, no, no, no. Frank does not need access to a horn button.

Frank: 1:40

No, we need like the remixed like. Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. I only have a cash register.

Lauren: 1:46

That was it. It's just a cash register.

Frank: 1:48

That's all I have.

Lauren: 1:49

What a disappointment.

Frank: 1:53

I have a soundboard here. I don't ever really use the buttons, the soundboard is just one cash register sound. That's dumb.

Lauren: 2:01

That's so stupid. Well, promo pack is going to Lori Santana. She Okay, lori Santana. Lori Santana wrote I listened to one episode last week and I was hooked. I'm finally caught up. Lauren and Frank, I'm on the same journey that you are, learning about everything I can get my hands on. I've had so many cool and unique experiences since I got on this path. Thank you for expanding my path and opening up many more places for me to go. Ah, that's so cool.

Frank: 2:31

Laurie Sant. First of all, rad last name.

Lauren: 2:33

Yeah.

Frank: 2:34

Second of all, you started last week and you're caught up. Yeah, that's awesome I owe you, I owe you a promo pack, a promo pack, yeah.

Lauren: 2:47

Yep A-U promo pack, a promo pack. Yeah, yep, here it comes. How many times is too many times for a joke? The first time, oh, whoops, lori, send us an email clairevoyagingpodcasts at gmailcom and we'll hook you up. And, guys, if you want to be cool like Lori, do a review on Apple Podcasts and send us an email. We love it Also. Update on our journal. There's no update because they're taking forever to fix the problem.

Frank: 3:12

I'm getting ready to dox.

Lauren: 3:14

So you have pre-orders. We were like, oh, these will be out and they're not, because they did bad printing, but you can get a digital version available for the low, low price of $11 and 28 cents. It means a lot to Frank that number and it's it's fill out a bowl, it's a fillable PDF version.

Frank: 3:36

We're going to go with fill out a bowl. I can't wait to get to this episode, so we stopped talking.

Lauren: 3:43

You can buy it on our website, Claire voyagingcom. And now let's get to the episode. Megan Elisa is amazing and talking to Megan.

Frank: 3:52

this is one of the episodes where I kept you know I I I checked the time to see what our runtime is so far and every time I looked down it had been like another 30 minutes. I was like whoops, we got to wrap this up. There was more to talk about, but we got through what we could. So I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did.

Lauren: 4:08

Roll it, Megan. Elisa, thank you so much for joining Claire Voyaging today. We're so happy to have you here.

Megan Alisa: 4:17

Well, thank you for having me here, and I'm excited to talk with you both.

Lauren: 4:21

Yay, we're happy to have you. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and what brought you to the work you're doing now?

Megan Alisa: 4:29

You know it's, I swear someone asked me this. The answer changes slightly because I think of like new scenarios that I was like oh yeah, that makes sense of where I was like led to become a medium at some point. It really started early on in my life where I had really weird circumstances happen. I would say probably the most major thing that happened was when I was a senior in high school. I had three friends hit by a drunk driver. They were driving home and all the people died except for the drunk driver.

Lauren: 5:00

Oh, no, and.

Megan Alisa: 5:01

I said no, yeah, so I didn't know that had happened. But what had happened was the night after this took place, and this is in the you know, the night like no, early 2000, yeah, like 2000, 2000. So this is before you know smartphones and instant information coming through, so I didn't have any idea this had happened. So I was driving through the exact same intersection that they had passed in and I didn't know, and all of a sudden I felt this like incredibly strong urge to pull over at this gas station, like I just had to. It just was like something came over me and I got out and there was like a poster there and I was like I need to see what that is.

Megan Alisa: 5:33

And I went over and it was all three of their faces with candles, and someone standing there told me when it happened the night before so that was my first like holy shit, basically, yeah, when it comes to having that sort of the, I don't know how I know this thing, but I need to do this thing and follow it, and having like spirit come through like that without really realizing it. Um, and then later on I had another scenario where another friend later on, when I was a little older, I'm a hairstylist as well, so that was my first profession, and when I was still assisting I had to go for a night of education. So like as assistants you do, like continuing education and all that stuff, and I didn't want to go this one night and I was like I'll go, I'll go find whatever. So I went and they put on this video and there was parents talking that owned a salon that was sort of local to that area, and they didn't talk about who they were talking about, but their son had been killed in a car accident.

Megan Alisa: 6:33

And all of a sudden I heard the name, I saw the face and it was a friend of mine from high school as well and I knew exactly who it was. In that moment it just hit me. And then, all of a sudden, after they said his name and showed his picture, I was like oh my God. So like that sort of thing was kind of the start of things and eventually it became like the inside joke mom, psychic, you know what I mean. Mom would know things right. So in my whole life I was like new things, I felt things. You know things before they happen or whatever. But I, my whole life I was like new things, I felt things you know, things before they happened or whatever.

Megan Alisa: 7:12

But I was always told it was coincidence. Right I was. I was told by my mom, it's coincidence, don't worry about it, whatever. Yeah, and so I, okay, I don't know. So eventually I was led to a metaphysical store and I went in and I just felt again a pull to go to this store. I was like I just feel this feeling, I need to go to this store. I went, I had a mediumship reading with a medium and she was like you're a medium, here is a flyer to go to this development circle. It's here tomorrow night and I think you're going to really love this teacher. His name's Michael Mayo.

Megan Alisa: 7:37

And I was like, okay, I'm like I don't know that I can do mediumship. I don't know anything about this except for that I've always had an interest in spirit in some way, right, always had a paranormal interest and spirituality and all that. And so I went and that first night changed my entire life. I sat in the power, which is a meditative process that I just felt this immense energy come out of me. It was just like so strong.

Megan Alisa: 8:01

And then I found myself volunteering to come up and do a demonstration, and I've never even made a connection, knowingly, to spirit. When he asked like oh, does anyone else want to come up here and try? Someone else had gone before me and they brought through my mother-in-law. And so I was like, oh, just my hand just kind of went up so I went and he's like, well, I don't normally have someone that's brand new, come and do it, but I'll walk you through it and just to see what happens. And I was like, okay, so I was so brand new that I didn't care.

Megan Alisa: 8:28

There's like 20 people in that circle of people. I had no idea who they were. I was like, okay, let's just do it. So I ended up feeling a man, spirit come forward. I saw him, I was able to bring through information about him and connecting with someone there in the group, and I was amazed because I had no idea that that was a possibility for me and like, basically in that moment I was like everything makes sense in my life now, all the fact that I'm like a black sheep and no one understands me, and all that I was like this all makes so much sense. So, yeah, so that was basically the trajectory of how I got there. And then I just like fell into it and just trusted and, like, became incredibly dedicated to my development with it.

Lauren: 9:10

Wow, I love that. That's so cool.

Frank: 9:23

Do you think?

Megan Alisa: 9:24

that maybe you had been getting secret practice this entire time from being a hairstylist and just looking at the back of people's heads so as so any kind of creative field that you're in, you tend to.

Megan Alisa: 9:30

One need to get out of the way, to sort of go into a flow state right, which is the essential way we connect in with our own intuition and spirit as well. Two, when you're working with people, you kind of have to feel and anticipate certain things about maybe what they're not saying right, and what they want, what their needs are, yeah, and then you kind of go that flow see when you're doing their hair, and then eventually I became a professional photographer as well. So, like these sort of things, I it's always something like that, um, and also I came from abuse, so just to throw that in there, just, very, just, very casually, I was always my whole life kind of feeling into the energy to know what was about to come and to like feel, oh, how's dad feeling today, right, is he going to blow up at me over nothing, or you know what I mean.

Megan Alisa: 10:14

So that was always like a part of me because of those things like yeah or like hypersensitivity yeah, but then like learning how to feel more, the anticipation of what was going to come or what was happening, the energy, and then also like disassociating a lot. I was an only child. I spent a lot of time by myself, playing with my own imagination and just kind of like, yeah, so again.

Frank: 10:41

Black sheep family but yeah, I feel like that's how I mean people who are sensitive or empathic, like a lot of times it can be because, like a sensitivity was really picked up at that time, or yeah it seems like we've come across a lot of people who, because of their former trauma, have developed those things just from having to I don't know what, turn inward and like focus on feelings and and or or have to hyper-focus on an individual to the point where, like you're trying to anticipate what they're going to do next, um, which, like I mean, it's probably the worst way to get practice.

Megan Alisa: 11:17

but yeah, not great. But also I'm kind of like, well, I think at this point in my life, you know, I look back on my life and I can take the good with the bad right. I can see it for what it is and why things happen. That doesn't mean I'm saying like it's okay, right. I'm not saying, um, you know that I deserve that or that I should have had that or any of those things, but that they did happen and that I know my dad in the spirit world has taken accountability for that and he comes through all the time for my students and other professional mediums and apologizes. And you know, I know that that's something that they do on that side, right, and they recognize and understand the impact that they have. So I at least have that.

Megan Alisa: 11:58

And then also, I've developed right. I've developed past those things. I've had therapy, I've healed, I've learned more about myself, I learned how to be a better person and to be the kind of parent I want to be for my children. You know what I mean. So it's like we have these cycles of abuse until we stop them and change something. So that's like a part of it, right, like for for people that are developing spiritually learning about yourself, connecting with yourself that's like one of the most important key things.

Frank: 12:27

Um to start with, that's what we yeah we've been talking about shadow work a lot lately and I'm still kind of learning what that is while I'm doing it myself shadow work and like inner child stuff.

Lauren: 12:40

Listeners probably just keep hearing us like either on the verge of tears or talking about trauma and stuff. Yeah, it's not fun.

Megan Alisa: 12:49

Like healing work. People talk about spiritual awakenings, right, you're like, ooh, it's going to be all amazing, there's crystals and like ghosts and who knows right, something amazing. And you're like, no, it's a lot of crying and a lot of realizing your reality is not quite what you thought it was, and maybe having disconnects with people that weren't very good in your life for you and going down a different path and having to trust that and to know, you know, finding your way to your own people Right, and that you're supported through this, through an unseen world that exists. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's well worth it. I do want to say that for people that are going through this maybe they're at the beginning of their journey or they're somewhere in there with that journey it is well worth it, I promise you.

Lauren: 13:31

Yeah, yeah, and then turning your trauma into wisdom for others. You know, like there is something I don't know. I keep feeling like there is usefulness to, like using trauma as a tool to teach others or help others. Like well, I got to do something with this, so I might as well, you know, walk somebody else through there. Like for me it's, you know, grief or loss or whatever Infertility, like all these different things where I'm like I got to use it, otherwise I'm just going to be like a victim, you know.

Frank: 14:07

Yeah, over the past few weeks we've been really into the concept of alchemizing trauma, into not just healing but also humor, which is kind of like you know, before we were, we had the podcast, even we were just like um, we have our day jobs, but then we also like we're writing like a comedy, short films or or Lauren Lauren did a lot of improv and we're trying to find where we can bring people who have no experience in the psychic world, getting them to come over and realize that that interfacing with psychics and mediums is actually can be a very useful tool in your healing journey, your spiritual journey. And I think that what episode is this going to be? 28 or something? I think it's taken us 29, 29 episodes to figure out exactly what the hell we're about. This is it?

Frank: 14:55

So, we always end up talking to like amazing, amazing people like you, and then we we spend a lot of time on trauma.

Megan Alisa: 15:03

Well, you know how? Who can raise their hand and say they have no trauma?

Megan Alisa: 15:06

I know no one yeah, you know it's a major topic because our society, at least here in the west, doesn't really give us tools of how to deal with those things and and when there are tools, they keep it difficult to get to right totally for everybody. Right, yeah, they stigmatize it. Right, mental health is looked at as, like this negative thing. Or in the spiritual community, they they stigmatize it and they say that you know, or they say that the mental health issues you actually do actually have are just some spiritual thing that you're experiencing. No, they both can exist. You can have actual difficulty with your brain and have actual mental health issues and also to have a spiritual connection. So it's not one or the other.

Frank: 15:52

And how stigmatized everything is. It's very hard to when you're not paying attention to those things and not separating those, those two elements to you know what is a mental health issue and what is an actual spiritual issue. What is it One clump of? Maybe I'll address that one day, but I got to go to work right now and make some money, because that's the only way this country thinks you're useful for anything.

Lauren: 16:13

I'm on a capitalism yeah.

Megan Alisa: 16:17

Well, things change. You know, I know it's slow to change Right, things are slow to change and sometimes things break before they change Right. Certain things change, right. Things are slow to change and sometimes things break before they change right. Certain things have to um. But I'm hopeful that if people start really realizing that, if we each individually start working on ourselves and doing the healing and doing the changes we actually want to see in the world with ourselves, then that adds up right. That really does, because we can only control ourselves and what we with ourselves makes a huge difference because that has a reflection to other people. Right, we're mirrors for people. We're examples for the people around us, our children, our neighbors, the people we interact with. When they see someone who's healing and shining and being their authentic self, it inspires them to want to do that too, instead of the opposite, right. So we have to start taking accountability and to want to do that too, instead of the opposite, right.

Frank: 17:10

So we have to start taking accountability and empowering ourselves to do those things. That's so true, yeah, and I. I get it too that, like addressing these things, it's scary to live into your own authenticity too. You don't know how that fits into the world you live in.

Megan Alisa: 17:23

You can't care, you cannot care, you can't care.

Lauren: 17:25

Yeah, you really have to not care. You gotta not care, you can't.

Megan Alisa: 17:29

Because how are you ever going to really be yourself if you're constantly outwardly checking, oh, is this acceptable? Are they going to like me? Is this okay to be who I am? No, no, no, no. You just show up and the people, when you really show up as you are the people that vibrate at that same place. They show up, they become the people around you, right, but those people don't show up unless you show up the way you're supposed to be, and there's no one that's wrong. Right, like we're all spirit souls and we have a place here, we have a work, we have a value, and that authentic thread, as a part of the greater tapestry of life, is meant to be as it's meant to be yeah we can grow right, depending on our subconscious programming, depending on our, our life, right.

Megan Alisa: 18:13

there's going to be areas where we can see that we can make changes and we can do something better and we can be realistic with ourselves about where that needs to be, without being harsh to ourselves, without judging ourselves and being jerks. Right, we can do it with softly, we can say, okay, I can see that and be objective with ourselves and I can start growing in a direction that's more positive for me or whatever, right, and that's okay.

Lauren: 18:37

Yeah, the thing I'm still I'm still working on the I'm like not checking in with Frank about, about, like is this okay? Like with something that I write or something that I'm an idea or something like that's just my own, like trauma and like self doubt and self-worth, and you know, I'm told hold on, hold on.

Megan Alisa: 18:56

Okay, so this is what I want you to start doing instead, every single time you want to, and this is obviously if you want to. I'm not telling you how to do this, but this is a tool that you can use when you feel that need to start checking hourly like that.

Megan Alisa: 19:10

I want you to start asking yourself how do I feel about this? Does this make me feel happy? Do I feel good about what I've done here, or do I feel like I can do some tweaks or whatever? What is it about this that's making me afraid that someone's not going to like it? Or need I need to have an approval from them? Right, like what was coming to me in the moment that made me write this? Right, let me honor that. It's okay.

Megan Alisa: 19:36

People, when it comes to creativity, they put so much emphasis on the outcome of what it's going to be and where it's taking you or how people are going to see it, instead of the process of it, and the process of it is when we feel alive. The process of it is the creative part of it. The end is where other people get to enjoy it, just as your creative process is what it's meant to be, right it's. Things are meant to look like everything else. That's boring. That's boring and no one wants that. Hollywood keeps trying to do the same thing over and over again, and how many people are on like why can't we just have a new movie? Why can't we have a new creative idea Right? So really dig into the fact that you're. You have a unique voice, you have a unique thing that's coming through you to be manifest into the world.

Frank: 20:27

And oh, megan don thing that's coming through you to be manifest into the world.

Lauren: 20:30

And oh my god, don't you get lauren crying already.

Megan Alisa: 20:32

No, it's always stuff like this, that's making me like ah, she's getting me, it's okay to have him read it in his opinion, but don't change what you're doing, because someone else doesn't get you. Do you know what I mean? Yes, it's not coming to him. It's coming to you for a reason. It's meant to come through you. Yeah, it's meant to come through you.

Lauren: 20:49

I love that, yes, okay, okay, yeah. Pause, before feeling like I need to ask is this okay? It's always this? Yeah, it's like a, it's like a checking.

Frank: 21:08

You've got such a smirk right now.

Lauren: 21:09

Yes, I do, because he'll be like do you like it?

Frank: 21:13

I'll be like yeah you're being very kind, that is not what I say this is your thing. Why are you asking me? I give Lauren a lot of aggressive love. I say go away. This is your, it is important to you, don't talk to me about this right now it's usually about like social media posts too. I'm like I, I hardly do social media.

Megan Alisa: 21:34

Please, please, no, I, I trust you post anything it's hard, I think, when you're still kind of finding that strength in your inner self right and like getting to know yourself and just don't be mean to yourself about it, like if you do have those moments where you're like I feel that need writing, that validation, okay, that's okay. We just want to learn to try to give that to ourselves as much as we can.

Frank: 22:00

Yeah, yeah yeah, which is why I bought a banana suit and a sign that I will be pointing to real estate down the street. This is what my authentic stuff yeah, I love it, only open houses.

Lauren: 22:10

Frank will be dressed like a banana.

Megan Alisa: 22:12

That will do well for you Like real.

Frank: 22:17

We got to waxing philosophical real fast.

Megan Alisa: 22:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know me, that's just how it is.

Lauren: 22:23

I love it. You were like, right in line with us. This is like our daily conversation, so it's like you're just sitting in our living room with us.

Frank: 22:34

Did your mom ever come around to like? It's not a coincidence.

Megan Alisa: 22:38

She believes me, like when I tell her about things, but there's always this slight hesitation in her voice Like, yeah, like, almost like okay, did you get the grippy socks yet? But like, she does. Like, but she's. It's hard for people that don't have the personal firsthand experience of it and that's always people that are skeptical.

Megan Alisa: 23:02

You know, I get it Like I would be skeptical too if I didn't have the experiences that I have. So I'll encourage people to try to have their own experiences right Through meditation, through making their own connection and their own connection to their own loved ones on the other side, because you absolutely can do that too. You don't have to just go to a medium to have that connection. A connection is yours because they're your loved ones. Um, but the answer short answer I sent sort of like I'll go, I'll go with like a maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah what do you think like, what is in the way of most people being able to make that connection themselves?

Megan Alisa: 23:40

because that's an easy answer. Yeah, like incredibly answer. Well, there's like a couple things, but the biggest one is the thinking mind. The biggest one is we want to control things, we want to be active and try and force things, and that's the opposite of what you want to be. When you're trying to become receptive, to receive something, that's what people don't get, it's something that comes to you right. So you have to be passive, receptive, not in this place of activity, in some way in your mind, to actually be open, just having something drop in damn it, megan.

Frank: 24:15

Yeah, that's my problem. The thinking, yeah, I've been, I'm heady you can be trained.

Megan Alisa: 24:19

I'm like I teach people this right. People come in with either no experiences at all, ever, ever or ever or they come in with some development and they've been missing parts of that and they don't understand why they're getting frustrated and not getting more information and where they're getting stuck and we help them with that right. So there are processes to be had to help you to quiet the thinking mind, and it's a practice over time. You can't rush the process and you have to be patient with.

Lauren: 24:48

It is the biggest thing. Like to stop your thinking mind. Like to meditate more frequently. Yes, if I pull a tarot card, or like if I'm asking, like how do I deepen intuition? Or if I've talked to a psychic or something, they're like meditate you this keeps coming up for you and I'm like right yeah.

Frank: 25:09

The thing is, though, also is that, on this journey of ours, we've heard a kabillion different definitions of what it is to meditate, and the classic version of meditation does not seem to work for the majority of people of quieting the mind.

Megan Alisa: 25:29

I promise you it absolutely can. So the monkey mind is normal to have happen in the beginning, right? So, yes, there are many different forms of meditation, but meditation, simply put, is the ability to have a focus and to let your thinking mind rest, right. You can meditate through dance when you let go, right. You can meditate through walking when you stop thinking and the thoughts are just kind of rest, right. You can meditate through dance when you let go, right. You can meditate through walking when you stop thinking and the thoughts are just kind of vacant, right. And then all of a sudden something, an idea, pops into your mind. You have meditated and now you're receptive. There you go, right. You can do it through dying. You can do it through driving accidentally, right, where you're like oh where was that? Where'd that five minutes go? That's just gone all of a sudden, right.

Megan Alisa: 26:14

Doing dishes, something that gives your mind a mundane task to do, can put you into a meditative state, which means when we sit to meditate for a purpose of like, let's say learning to do mediumship and psychic work, to become more receptive. In that way, our focus is the breath. Our focus is just letting go, stopping trying to control things and just being tuning into our own energy and allowing that to expand. And when the mind does bring thoughts again normal, when it happens, you learn to acknowledge it instead of feed it or push it away. To acknowledge it, accept it and let it go right. So you just go oh, that's a thought, cool, thanks, and just let it go. And so what ends up happening over time is your mind gets tired and it will just let go. So the first 10 to 15 minutes people tend to have a lot of stuff going on in their minds, especially if they've been very busy in the day or they're not used to meditating, right. So the more often you do it which is like every day, hopefully the easier your brain starts to get used to it.

Megan Alisa: 27:08

And in the beginning stages the ego's very like, resistant to it. The ego's like I could be doing so many other things and like it doesn't want to do it and it gets angry almost. So you have to realize, once you start doing this, when you start moving into that space where you kind of just like sink into this, no mind, it's like you have an awareness, right, but it's like more of an expansive awareness you almost feel like this sense of oneness or this sense of just being that starts to kick in. It feels amazing and once you start to have that, your, your mind, will go okay, we'll try this. We'll try it Because over time you go into that state easier and easier, because the mind is neuroplastic and it can change it. Actually, there's studies that show the wiring in your brain over time through meditation changes. It makes it easier.

Megan Alisa: 27:56

And I have ADHD and I'm also, um, uh, what's it called? Dyslexic as well at a dyslexic moment, um, and so some people will say, oh, I can't meditate because I have ADHD. I promise you, you can, I have ADHD. We have students that are autistic or other neuro spicy issues, and they also learn Right. So you can. It's just, it's a matter and now I can't talk it's a matter of being willing to let yourself just try it and to be patient with the process.

Lauren: 28:28

I feel like people yeah, they're so resistant People.

Megan Alisa: 28:34

They're like people Me me are so resistant.

Frank: 28:42

Me are so resistant.

Lauren: 28:44

I've only been trying to meditate in the last like year. Maybe I had that thought of like my brain doesn't work that way, or like my I don't know how, I don't know how to do it right and then, but which I feel like is just an excuse for just not trying it's, it's again normal for myself out for that Like okay, so for mediumship development specifically, or psychic development specifically, there's a desire that you have to want to become more connected and aware of spirit, or aware of more information, intuitively, or your guides, right.

Megan Alisa: 29:19

So you have that desire, you have that little bit of like cheese dangling right as the little rat to kind of have a reason to do it. So I think sometimes finding a goal for your ego to be like, oh, I want that, right can be because then it's willing to participate, it's like fine, I want this thing, so I have to do this to achieve it, right? So in order to bring yourself to that space, you may have to first go there. Secondly, carving out time every day that it's about the same time a day will help you get into a routine of it and just making that a part of what you do becomes much easier and again you'll become less resistant because it just becomes a part of the routine that you do, right, yeah.

Frank: 30:00

I like this using your ego. Using your ego as a, as a tool.

Megan Alisa: 30:07

You know, it's like we, we, we in the spiritual community, we will talk, we'll paint the ego as this, like bad, bad thing. Right now, when it comes to bringing through information psychically or mediumistically, we don't want to be including the ego, because then we're filtering through in a way. That's not helpful, right, but the ego in general has either more negative or positive attributes, depending on where you're at with your own self-development. And the ego itself is a tool to be living in a physical body and it's needed and it's a part of us and it's not bad or wrong, it's just is it's really the victim of the environment you grow up in to start with, and then you then become empowered to start making changes to make it more positive when you start to bring it to light and notice and be conscious of things, so that you can become more responsive and less reactive.

Lauren: 30:56

Are you looking directly at me?

Frank: 31:00

No reason.

Lauren: 31:03

I've become a Reiki master and I'm in an intuitive healing mentorship program that's a year long and one of my problems is not trusting my own intuition. We're working on helping someone with an issue Like where did this issue start? Basically, you start at like their current time, like your current age, and then you just get quiet and think, okay, the the age 32 just popped into my head or whatever, and then it kind of helps like bring up stuff for that person like, oh yeah, well, that makes sense, because at 32 like this happened or whatever. Um, part of my problem is not trusting myself when I'm like, oh, this, the word resentment just came into my head and I'm like I'll tell you that, but also I am I just making this up?

Frank: 31:58

you have to your clients.

Lauren: 32:00

You have said that lately and you have gotten like all hits yeah, yeah, like so, a big lesson has been trust it and stop doubting. I mean, clearly this is. I feel like this is just a therapy session for me right now, where I'm just it's all like I have self doubt.

Megan Alisa: 32:20

And that's normal, like that's normal for media students, psychic students, reiki students the self-trust and the trusting of what you're receiving to say it because it's scary, yeah, because you're afraid wrong and you're gonna be judged, right.

Megan Alisa: 32:32

Yeah, that's where the stepping into like be like we're not safe, right, yeah.

Megan Alisa: 32:36

So after you learn how to kind of, I guess, hold the hand of your fear right and kind of hold the trust that you have with yourself, you build it over time.

Megan Alisa: 32:46

So that's where of hold the trust that you have with yourself, you build it over time. So that's where the validation comes in, where you have to be able to say what you're getting, without caring if you're right or wrong, so that you can use it as a tool to know what you're supposed to be paying attention to when it's happening to you, right? So if you never said it, you wouldn't really ever know if this is correct or if it's not correct or what I should be paying attention to when you're working. So it's really important that you do say it. So look at it as every time I trust this or every time I say this, it's an opportunity for me to learn more about my practice. It's an opportunity for me to learn more about what's going on with me and how I receive things best, instead of oh, I look like a fool, right, whereas where our brain goes, you know. You just have to see it as an opportunity to grow and learn about yourself instead of a fear of that judgment of what will come of that.

Lauren: 33:39

I did class in growlings too, and I was like I don't belong here, I'm not, like. I told myself that before class even started and then like, had a great like performance, like did a whole like thing, and I was like man, why do I just? I just doubt myself too much. But yeah, that that. But if I had never done it, it's just like if I had never, if I never say the thing that comes into my mind like you don't know, and some of that is just really trusting, letting yourself just be yourself.

Megan Alisa: 34:13

Exactly yeah, and then when you get that yes or that no, then you know right, you know kind of what's going on, and so that's a really, really important part of the process.

Lauren: 34:22

Yeah.

Frank: 34:23

Gotta do it, gotta do it. I was on your website and I noticed you had mentioned trance healing and trance mediumship. I don't know what that is. Could you tell me?

Megan Alisa: 34:36

so first let's talk about do you know what mental mediumship is? Uh oh, I don't yeah, no, okay let's start there.

Megan Alisa: 34:44

Yeah, so mental mediumship is the kind of mediumship that most people are aware of, right, when they watch Tyler Henry or John Edward or Teresa Caputo or whatever. That's mental mediumship, where the mind of the medium is involved to the point to say the information, it's mind to mind, communication of spirit or spirit-spirit communication, but it's more active of the medium, whereas trance, which is actually under the same umbrella but is a much more passive state that the medium goes into, where there's a blending with the spirit, either a spirit loved one or a spirit guide that comes through. They may have changes that happen in the face or the voice or the information that comes through, but it's basically the ability of the medium to surrender more and more and more and more and allow their consciousness to step back further and further, so that, basically, spirit gets more hold over your faculties, right, your brain, your body and all that. And then, ultimately, because of that, the information should be even more accurate and more specific, right, because the medium is even less involved. So, when it comes to transmed mediumship, it can come in all different forms, right?

Megan Alisa: 35:52

So specifically, I'm talking about healing, where I am working with a healing guide that blends with me and works through me and brings an energy to the person in whatever way that the spirit guide knows is needed, right. So as the instrument myself, I may become aware of certain areas the energy is being concentrated for the person or areas going on in the body, but I'm not actively trying to do something with it, like Reiki, where you're like, ok, what's the symbol I should be doing here, what's this? And I'm going to be scanning people? It's very passive, it's very like I'm just trusting as a conduit. This healing is going through and going where it needs to be, whether that's on the energetic layer of the body or if that's a physical layer of the aura, right. So it really just depends on the need of the person.

Megan Alisa: 36:38

But also transmedia can come through philosophy, it can be art, it can be writing, it can be other forms where, like the spirit, loved ones actually coming through, speaking directly through the medium to the person, kind of like in ghost, right, even though that's not like I wouldn't call that a movie where I would go oh yeah, that's what mediumship is like, not exactly Jumped into her body, they don't jump into your body, first of all. It's not possession, they're not inside your body.

Frank: 37:02

I was going to ask are you? Are you leaving or?

Megan Alisa: 37:06

not exactly. I stepped back okay so I have a.

Megan Alisa: 37:09

So, depending on how much surrender you can get to which takes years to develop, by the way, because that trust issue that you're just talking about, that role, right, trusting yourself, trusting the spirit world because it's a very all-encompassing thing that happens right, the spirit world is almost very, very tangible when you're going into more of the trance states. There's an energetic change that happens in the atmosphere, the feeling of them comes, their personality. There's physical changes that happen. It's like a layering upon you that happens right.

Megan Alisa: 37:40

So, if you think of like a spirit as I don't know, I have jello covering my body all of a sudden, right, and with that jello comes a personality and information and all that. My consciousness is like aware, right, and so, depending on how much my active mind is trying to get involved versus trying to let go, I'll just be like more in the background, sort of like. My awareness is here almost like. This is a good example. Okay, so right before you're about to fall asleep and you can kind of hear something going on in the room, but you don't really care that it's going on in the room, but you have a slight awareness that it's happening. Does that make sense? It's like that when you're in a really nicely deep, uh kind of state but you can't even get to the place where you're like almost unconscious. I haven't gotten to that place. Or there's been moments where I'm like somewhere else in my awareness but something else has happened here, right, so I'm almost like in a dream state, but I'm awake.

Frank: 38:32

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, I've heard of like Edgar Cayce. It sounds like maybe that's sort of similar.

Megan Alisa: 38:39

Yeah, sort of similar. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Frank: 38:41

And I've I've had some experiences with like astral projection stuff. So I assume I, when you're talking about like something's going on here, but you are also experiencing something else.

Megan Alisa: 38:51

Like I have experienced that to a certain extent not super successfully- Like out of body, like like actual out of body or more like inwardly. You're kind of experiencing things.

Frank: 39:02

It's a good can of worms. So when I was, it hasn't happened in a long time. When I was can of worms, the so when I was, it hasn't happened in a long time. When I was in my 20s I was very deep into meditation and just learning how to do a lot of this stuff. Um, just out of curiosity, no real reason, I had heard of astral projecting and I was like, oh cool, like I'll give it a shot, and I did some like guided stuff I did.

Frank: 39:19

At some point I was. I got to a level where I was able to kind of instigate it on purpose, but this always sounds creepier than I wanted to. But I would get to a point where I was like in a paralysis state, like I could not move my body but I was very aware of what was going on around me, but my, even my eyes were closed but I could see the room around me and I'd have like like five I don't know shadow people come like surround me in my bed, which is horrifying, unless you're like yeah, I know it well you know that they're probably just your guides and they're only showing in a form of shadow because they can't get fully through to be full apparitions, yeah, and I didn't know that then, but I know that now.

Frank: 39:59

So I was like what is going on? So I was always like, okay, this time I to be a big, brave dog and I'm going to, I'm going to have power through the fear. And I was never able to do it. So right around the time I was able to, I would literally hear like an audible pop. I'd be like oh, I think I'm out of my body.

Frank: 40:24

And then these things would like kind of wiggle a finger or something, because it was the only thing. Yeah, now that I'm a big boy, um, I like I'm just too distracted with my life. I can't get to a point where I can do that again. Now that I know those are likely guides, even though I'm dying to do it.

Megan Alisa: 40:41

But don't ever limit yourself. That's the thing like. Don't tell yourself I can't ever do this. Don't like if you. That's the thing Like. Don't tell yourself I can't ever do this. Don't like if you.

Frank: 40:50

If that's something you want to do. All you have to do is just change your mind about that.

Lauren: 40:53

Yeah, okay, that's the power of the mind.

Frank: 40:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I need, I need, I, I can.

Lauren: 41:01

You can, I can there look at this. I can there look at this. I can, megan, look at Megan. Just empowering us.

Megan Alisa: 41:08

It's important for people to know that.

Lauren: 41:10

You know, like.

Megan Alisa: 41:11

I think sometimes we really get stuck in these mindsets of I can't, or this is too hard, or, you know, all these other things are options for other people, but not me, Right? And that's just not true. It just isn't.

Frank: 41:22

It's just a figment of your imagination imagination and you can change it just as quickly as that yeah, it's funny, like since we've been, since we've like made the podcast and stuff, I haven't tried it again, uh, and yeah, you haven't, and I've like kind of just been like not giving it a good effort. But then that's the other thing too. My big issue is, I think it requires a big effort, like oh, I gotta do it.

Megan Alisa: 41:42

The stomach, I'm gonna sit down actually yeah, yeah, you, you want to completely surrender, do even less like, just be and like trust the process. It's not easy to actually get out of body. I have had a spontaneous out-of-body experience, but I was in incredible pain, so I was. I was, uh, in labor with my second child, and I had decided I have a natural birth. I don't want any painkillers, I don't want epidural, and so they also put me on pit, though. So they put me on Pitocin, which creates stronger contract.

Lauren: 42:12

But I did that with no pain medicine.

Megan Alisa: 42:15

So, I trained prior to that to do like hypno babies, which is where you go into a very deep trancy type state, which is again, this is before I was a medium, I didn't know and I didn't know, this is before I was a medium, I didn't know and I didn't know.

Megan Alisa: 42:27

And so I was in that very deep trancy state, sort of like during transition time, which is like for anyone that doesn't know, when it's like really hard, really hard. And so basically, what happened was I was in that trancy state and all of a sudden, boom, like out of my body, just floating up up the ceiling, looking down at my body, and it wasn't like a near-death experience, it was just my. I just got, you know, I was up there, and so I was looking around in the room, I could hear everything, I could see everything, and I was there for like I don't know, just like a few seconds probably, I don't really know. The time didn't quite match with, you know, I don't know, sure, but, and then I went back. So, um, but I have had, you know, like the precursors to doing the out-of-body experience on purpose, where you get that really strong vibration and like the body, you know, it becomes like very heavy and all that, but yeah I, yeah, I.

Frank: 43:13

It's funny because you know the show is called clear voyaging. I know that that's probably some part of my experience that I'm supposed to because didn't your abuelo do that, or no? Apparently my grandfather did yeah, yeah and, and his dad too.

Frank: 43:28

So that's awesome, so it's more likely that you could I guess I should probably give that a shot again, I'm trying to, I've been trying to do everything else and, like I, I've been told by a couple of of psychics that, like I'm probably not going to like actually like hear or see spirits, like like audibly or visibly at any given point, but I do feel like maybe the situation would be different if I were to fire up the old astral body again.

Megan Alisa: 43:54

Take it for a run, it's not too old, it's definitely a different experience than, like just you know, being here in the physical and having experience with spirit. I mean, I don't know, I don't. One of my mentors, eileen davies, who's she always says never limit a limitless power, and I truly believe in that, like they don't know that you won't ever experience that that's just because most people don't, but you just don't know.

Megan Alisa: 44:17

I mean, it's true to say most of us experience it inwardly. Right, we have subjective Claire's more so than objective Claire's, but you could all of a sudden see an apparition, or who knows what could happen. You don't know.

Frank: 44:29

Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I'm open to it.

Lauren: 44:32

The possibility is she's? She's just laying it out, unlocking the future. Yeah.

Frank: 44:37

Megan, unlocking the future, no matter how, no matter how neuro spicy you might be, exactly.

Lauren: 44:42

She says exactly.

Megan Alisa: 44:52

She says don't limit yourself in any way okay, astral project frank, let's do that writing the note that underlined underlined exclamation mark that's called demystifying the out-of-body experience oh that, um, that for people that are looking into that, I would recommend, because he doesn't make it, you know, wooey, wooey at all. It's very like this is what you do step by step, by step by step, and he talks about his experiences and stuff. Like that too. It's by Lewis Somebody, uh, um, but if you just look it up, you can find on amazon or wherever. That's a good one to check out that's cool.

Frank: 45:23

So you're saying I should stop like checking in with the neckbeards on reddit I mean you can, I don't know what's gonna help you, you don't know.

Lauren: 45:31

But yeah, do the neckbeards talk about out of body?

Frank: 45:36

they don't. I think that's the problem. I'm looking in the wrong places?

Lauren: 45:41

I can answer that question for you.

Frank: 45:45

Oh boy, so you defined transmediumship, and then I guess healing is the same thing. You put yourself in that state and to allow spirit to come through.

Megan Alisa: 45:55

I forgot about that question. Did I fully answer that? I think?

Frank: 45:57

you did.

Megan Alisa: 45:58

Yeah.

Lauren: 46:00

And then some.

Frank: 46:02

So also when I was on your site, I saw oak bridge institute and arthur findlay college correct yeah now I'm in england, right, yes, yeah okay, that's correct. I've heard of like psychic colleges where you can like kind of practice, but I don't know like how it works or what it is. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Megan Alisa: 46:22

Yes, I can. Yes, so for one, oak Ridge Institute is the school I teach at, so I'm a founding member with me and Michael Mayo. He owns a school, but you know we co-teach and everything there together. So that is our school, where we have all the courses and weekly circles and workshops and all that kind of stuff.

Frank: 46:39

He was a mentor of yours right.

Megan Alisa: 46:41

Yes, yeah, yeah, he's one of my best friends, yeah, teacher, and he taught me how to teach. I spent years learning to do that prior to actually stepping into the role of teacher as a mediumship development teacher, and I take it very seriously. So that's our school, and we try to uphold the standard, the highest standard we can, for mediumship development, say, and we try to uphold the standard, the highest standard we can, for mediumship development, psychic and mediumship development for people, and to help them understand the ethics and the integrity and the responsibility that comes with the work of doing it, and to help them find the best process for them, for their connection, and to really learn to lean in on that and to know that their connection is the most important thing, their connection with spirit, and to be able to bring through information that's specific and accurate and consistent. So that's, that's cool. So Arthur Finley College, though, is a spiritualist college in Sussex.

Megan Alisa: 47:39

Sussex, england, and I love it there. It's magical because it's an old manor house. It was donated to the Spiritualist National Union through Arthur Finley. So he was a scientific-minded man who became a believer through the mediumship, I believe, of John Sloan, and the information that came through was so specific no one would be able to know about it, and over and over again, and he has books that you can read about his experiences with mediums and all of that. But he ended up donating his amazing manor house to the spiritualist national union because he wanted it to be made into a school to help mediums develop and to help spread the truth of spiritualism to the world. So that's where that comes from, and so there are classes that are held there and there are like week-long classes typically, and you do mediumship all day long. You live there as well. So you stay there on the camp, like on the, at the. I'll call it a campus, I guess, even though it's a house, but you stay there. You can either stay there by yourself or you can have a roommate, um, and then, yeah, you eat there, they have a kitchen, they have tea time, they have horses, that there's neighbors that have horses, and sometimes people like me, will steal an apple and feed them I'm not gonna lie, this sounds a lot like professor x's school it's you know, so I call it like hogwarts yeah, yeah

Megan Alisa: 49:03

hogwarts and it just has this magical energy because of the amazing mediums that have worked there through over time, like gordon higginson. Um, gordon higginson was the president of the spiritualist national union for a very long time for anyone that's unaware of him, or that sort of thing, and he was just an incredible trance medium. He was a physical medium, he was a mental medium and he taught mediumship and there's a lot of videos of him you could find on YouTube if you're interested in looking into that. But when I was there for one of the weeks, I got to sit in his physical mediumship cabinet, which was so cool because it builds like an energy up into that cabinet and it was his and he was sitting in and so in my experience, in that physical mediumship cabinet, when I was sitting, moving into like a trance state, everyone around in the circle was like far away, but like in a circle in front of the cabinet and it's closed, right. So do you know what do you mean by cabinet?

Lauren: 49:59

Okay, so, okay, okay so, let me, let me give you a little information, okay.

Megan Alisa: 50:02

Um, physical mediumship is a form of mediumship that you first go into. The trance states typically, uh, but the things that happen everyone in the room should be able to see. So it's not like a subjective thing that happens. It would be like spirit lights show up and every single person in the room can see it, or ectoplasm just comes out of the medium and they can make it into different physical manifestations, or there's wrapping on the walls. I'm sorry.

Lauren: 50:30

Is ectoplasm actually a thing? Because I thought Ghostbusters made that up.

Frank: 50:35

It is a. Thing.

Megan Alisa: 50:36

It is actually a thing. It actually came from spiritualism. Yeah, thank you. And Dan Aykroyd actually his, I believe his parents or grandparents were involved in the spiritualist movement, and so he was the one that brought that into the movies. Oh my God.

Frank: 50:50

I know Dan Aykroyd's big on spiritualism. That's why he knows like way more than he should for just making like okay, no one has said ectoplasm. We'll talk. We have a ghostbusters poster right here in the studio.

Megan Alisa: 51:01

We'll talk about it yeah, so that's basically what physical mediumship is and the medium who's in a physical medium like, not everyone's technically a physical medium, sometimes with group energy, physical mediumship can manifest, but a physical medium supposed to have certain kind of qualities, where they have excess of ectoplasm within them to be potentially used in a darker space and all the all these kinds of things. Right, but anyway. So, um, when I was sitting in that cabinet I heard basically there was like um, an unidentified being that was disembodied, it came to my ear and started breathing. It was like just like right here and again like everyone outside of the cabinet was like far away from me, but this was just breathing right here. It was so cold. I know some people would be like that's not for me, but I'm like, yes, give it to me again.

Frank: 51:53

That's so fun.

Lauren: 51:55

So what is the cabinet, are you like in? Okay, sorry, I didn't explain that part.

Megan Alisa: 51:58

So the cabinet concentrates the energy, so it's kind of funny. So the cabinet originated with the Davenport brothers. Okay, so I'm not a spiritualist but I know a lot about the spiritualist movement because I respect the movement and I think that the mediums of the past should be understood and respected for what they've done anyway. So they basically brought in the magician's cabinet to sit in and what ended up happening was that they realized there was a concentration of energy that built in these like wooden cabinets and it was able to be used to for manifestations of physical mediumship. So they're.

Megan Alisa: 52:42

The tradition for physical mediums is to sit in some kind of enclosed space like a cabinet or with a curtain, so like in this space behind me. If this cabinet wasn't here and there was a corner, I can put up like a curtain right to make my own little cabinet in this little space. Or some people use like a pop-up tent, right. Okay, uh, and in that and use that, but use that. But that's the idea of what the cabinet's for. Is it like the smaller the better? No, not necessarily. Just there's cause you don't want it to be so small that it's like claustrophobic feeling, sure, but there's kind of like a standard diameter that was used again, kind of coming from the magician's cabinet.

Lauren: 53:21

Yeah, so that was used again, kind of coming from the magician's cabinet. Yeah, so you were in that cabinet and you felt someone breathing in your ear or you felt it and heard it.

Megan Alisa: 53:29

Yeah. So there was like there was like a just all of a sudden, as I was sitting and moving into the trance states and letting go, and like the power was building, and I could hear the people in the circle commenting like, oh, it's getting really cold or they would like feel different things starting to happen. Those are some of like the first indications that something's starting to change and happen for people in the circle. They may start to feel a cool breeze start to come, or they may start to feel you know whatever sorts of changes going on in the atmosphere. And then the medium kind of when they're hearing that they know okay, great, I can just let go more, something's happening, right. So I heard that just kind of come right to my left ear and I was like cool yeah, this is really funny because I haven't heard a technique like that used.

Frank: 54:08

That's the kind of thing I've read about in like old, like horror novels and stuff like that yeah, that are very like based on spiritualism. That's really really funny that that's still like potentially in use. Thank you, davenport bros. Um, yeah's cool If something's standing next to you and in your face and breathing. That's not like you don't get invasive and feel invasive, okay.

Megan Alisa: 54:29

No, I'm really lucky in the fact that I didn't come in with any fearful dogma. I wasn't raised with religion or that kind of thing really so and my experiences with the spirit world have always been really loving and supportive. So spirits basically either feels neutral or very loving, typically. Um, I've never had an experience with those in spirit in like a negative way at all. Um and so when I experience something, I've been trained so well that I just stay neutral so I just like, oh, that's an experience. Like same thing when we sit in the power, right. So the meditation of sitting in the power you learn to train your mind to just notice, accept, let go, so like with the thoughts, anything that happens in the environment or your energy. Same exact thing. So when something like that's happening, I just go acknowledge it slightly and I just let it go, because if I don't, it pulls my thinking mind to the forefront and then all of that activity will stop.

Frank: 55:25

You just made me realize that I have subconscious fears, and that sucks.

Megan Alisa: 55:30

That's okay. No, that's, the first step is to realize it, because that's how you change it. So that's actually really good, that's really good, because once you understand it, that's when you can start kind of dissecting it. Why do I have that fear? Where does it come from? Is it true?

Megan Alisa: 55:44

yeah, yeah, I do have a religious background, so I I um do more of your shadow work, I guess it's movie I'm telling you right now yeah, yeah, and religion and like just fearful things that are spread all the time, like I'm always constantly finding this on tiktok, because people just believe anything they hear on tiktok and it drives me crazy.

Megan Alisa: 56:04

Yeah because, they're just perpetuating this stuff. That's like not true or fear-based or whatever, and it's just like a constant uphill battle when it comes to trying to help people understand more about this subject matter in a way that's actually going to benefit them, instead of take them the opposite direction yeah, yeah, yeah, do you like scary movies?

Lauren: 56:24

no, I don't okay did you ever watch them?

Megan Alisa: 56:27

I've watched them but I don't. So I get so immersed in like the experience of movies that there's a lot of don't watch. Yeah, so if I find anything starts to make me feel paranoid after, I do not watch it. So whether that's like true crime, scary movies, anything like that, I just don't watch it because it doesn't benefit me. Sure, all it does makes my meditations have.

Lauren: 56:48

My brains are kicking in and they're freaking out yeah yeah, and I don't need that, so oh well, that's, that's step one well, we don't watch that many scary movies unwatch in your mind the ring. It's a good movie I love the ring.

Frank: 57:08

There's a lot. There's a lot of good ones scary but but also same thing. It's a thing to like when you do sit down and meditate or you do sit down, you're trying to connect with spirit in any kind of way. It's like now forget that movie. That wasn't real, like that was just purely entertainment. It doesn't work that way. But it is it just for a brief second. Even if it pops in your head, I know it's enough to distract.

Megan Alisa: 57:29

It sticks with you for a bit, you know, like it's energy in your mind until you know, you kind of stop watching stuff like that for a while. And for me, here's the thing about it Fear sells and fear controls. Yeah, and fear is the opposite of love, and to connect in with this kind of work you need to be in a state of love, and so if anything gets in the way of that, I don't want it.

Frank: 57:52

Sure yeah.

Lauren: 57:54

That's lovely. Along the same lines of like I was in a deep anytime I would be like in a deeper meditation, like my thinking brain would recognize it and be like cool. I just like brought me back and I couldn't like so shut up, lauren, you know no, that happened.

Megan Alisa: 58:15

So like even in you know people that are training for mediumship, they can get distracted by getting something right, right, so they can get so excited by the fact that something is right. They get like pulled out of it same thing in, like meditation, yeah like oh, what's this experience? What's happening? Oh, I feel my guide. Who are you? Right yeah, all those things will take you back into your thinking mind so you learn how to stay in that state of neutrality and just observing, right, you're just like, oh, that's again, that's happening.

Frank: 58:40

Cool, like, let it go right, okay, yeah on like a like a daily basis, like how frequently do you have like an experience that you weren't expecting, where you have to do the thing that you said, where you, you like slow down, you just observe it instead of like being afraid?

Megan Alisa: 58:57

um, I'm never usually afraid like, uh, that doesn't really happen. Startled maybe on occasion startled, but I can tell you I had a really cool experience last.

Megan Alisa: 59:07

Um, I'm never really afraid Like uh, that doesn't really happen, startled maybe on occasion, but I can tell you I had a really cool experience last night. I haven't shared this yet, um so okay. So I had been walking outside for a little bit and it was like dusk right, so it was like just past eight o'clock, so it wasn't quite dark, Wasn't quite light. So like just past eight o'clock, so it wasn't quite dark, wasn't quite light. And I was just asking the spirit world for a sign. So I just said to them can you show me a hawk? I'm like, I just need to know, I just need a validation. Like, is this going to be okay? Like can I trust this? Basically is what I said, which I'm not going to say what that's about, but I'm just saying.

Megan Alisa: 59:46

So I sat down outside to just kind of meditate for a couple of minutes. I had closed my eyes and I was just breathing, and then, all of a sudden, I hear a noise, and it was a noise that drew my attention to open my eyes. And when I opened my eyes, across from me on my fence was a hawk. No, and now I have it, I have a video and I, um, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, because like, first of all, I had just asked a few months before that, yeah. Secondly, the fact that, like the hawk sat on the fence to make a noise, to draw my attention out, right, and then I was looking at it.

Megan Alisa: 1:00:17

I was like, oh my god, and then I took some pictures, I took video and it just it was just sitting there looking at me, basically just sitting there looking at me, and then it let me take a video of it, and then it just flew away that's so cool ears and I was like oh, my god, thank you thing, because, like you, don't expect things like that to happen necessarily immediately right, yeah when it does, it's just so like awe-inspiring right that the fact that this world is so, I don't know, magical in a way that I think a lot of us don't acknowledge or realize can happen. Yeah it really is.

Frank: 1:00:52

you know we were talking earlier about you know the mold and like trying to be authentic and all that stuff and and breaking out of it so that you can be yourself. Things like that happening like don't fit into your traditional narratives, and when it does happen, it really is affirming that, like you know, the universe has your back, which is also something that just isn't a common belief, even though it should be coming a little more so.

Lauren: 1:01:20

But yeah, still, like it's the thing you were saying earlier, like it's not a coincidence, like you literally asked for that. Yeah, and it showed up. That's amazing.

Frank: 1:01:35

I'll ask you one more question and we'll end on that. For anybody out there who's like ready to get into their intuitive abilities and start using them, what's like the top one or two things that they need to start doing now?

Megan Alisa: 1:01:49

Well, okay. So if you want to start tapping into your intuition one, I really highly recommend getting some kind of meditative process right. Learning how to quiet a thinking mind is, like, hugely important to create more space for receptivity. So that's one. Two, doing the inner healing work is important because if we don't do that, what we perceive sometimes from spirit or from, like our higher selves, isn't always going to be understood in the way it's meant to be, because it's meant to come in neutrally as information, but we may we may add anxiety to that or fear to that right through that lens in some way. So we do need to be you know. Getting to know ourselves, understand ourselves and staying in a place of balance that's really important as well. Learning how to make sure you're tending to your own physical needs or emotional needs or spiritual needs All of those things matter because we're physical first right. So that's really important as well.

Megan Alisa: 1:02:54

And then I would say journal. So try not to just grab onto one experience and compare everything else to that experience and write down the things that do happen so you can kind of let them go, but what they also do beyond, like learning how to let those things go and not make them into too big of a something for you is it will help you to learn to trust your experiences. So when you start journaling those experiences, um, you'll start to be able to kind of see oh yeah, I was correct about this, oh yeah, I did have this experience, so that you can start building that trust with yourself and your intuition. And then also, you know, start talking to, this is more than three, but whatever.

Frank: 1:03:30

No, keep going.

Megan Alisa: 1:03:31

Your guides? Right, your guides. You have a guidance team. You absolutely do. Every single person does. There are no non-player characters. There just aren't.

Megan Alisa: 1:03:40

I'm sorry, but people will try to say that. But everyone has a spirit, everyone has a spirit team and whether or not you know them, it doesn't matter. They're there. You don't need to know their name, you don't need to know what they look like, you don't need to try to say they're Marilyn Monroe. We don't need to build a spiritual ego trying to actually move into spirituality Right.

Megan Alisa: 1:04:00

So just know they're there and talk to them. That's the first step is to build a connection with them through acknowledging that they're there and then start to pay attention to ways that they may start bringing you information. Now, if you come develop with me as a medium, you will start to learn to feel what they feel like. Right, we teach people how to feel their guides, the energy signature of their guides, to feel what that feels like as they come forward, to identify them that way and to make connections with spirit in general Right, so it's it's important to kind of start understanding your place, your, your puzzle piece within the situation, as somebody that's trying to gain more insight of your intuition and build that muscle essentially.

Megan Alisa: 1:04:45

And practice too, right. So practice is helpful. So, whether that is through practicing, trying different ways of seeing if you can feel what it feels like in a room, right, or practicing um, I don't know seeing if you can feel how many petals are going to be on a flower, just like different random sort of things, right. Or seeing it in your mind's eye, right. There's all different kinds of practices you can do to kind of build that muscle up, but just know it takes time and don't try to rush the process. That's really the most important thing.

Frank: 1:05:19

Right, it is funny I found that, like a lot of the things that I might have as an intuitive ability, I haven't necessarily acknowledged as being intuitive. It's just the way it is and once you like kind of learn to recognize it, you're like, oh, I could lean into this a little bit more. Not everybody experiences this the way I do.

Megan Alisa: 1:05:37

Right, exactly, yeah. And, like detectives, call it a hunch, right, they're receiving it.

Lauren: 1:05:41

Yeah.

Megan Alisa: 1:05:42

Yeah, everyone has it. Every single person has that connection and you can just build it to become stronger If you realize that.

Frank: 1:05:50

Give us all your plugs, your websites. Where can people find you?

Megan Alisa: 1:05:55

So my website is Megan Alisa mediumcom, and that's the only place you can book a reading with me, whether that's through a psychic reading, mediumship reading or a trans healing. I just say that specifically because there are people who will pretend they're me and people.

Megan Alisa: 1:06:11

And it's yeah, it's terrible. So just know that that's the only way to book a reading and then to work with me. We have foundations, one starting in July. Actually we only do it twice a year, so it's a series one. Through three foundations for mediumship, you also learn psychism and how to just feel energy to connect with your guides. All those things and these foundations courses that would be through Oakbridge Institute dot org. So that would be where you'd register for that. And I just want to say too, we also have a few options for people for payments. We also have a few options for people for payments. So there's either like a payment overall that you can do, or there's, you know, smaller payments, or we also offer partial scholarships for people in need. So I just want to say that's, you know, an option there.

Frank: 1:06:55

Wow, that's very nice. That's really cool. Yeah, that's fantastic.

Lauren: 1:06:58

Follow her on TikTok or Instagram because you've got like great you've got just great little like bits. And I mean, that's how I found you. I was like I like her.

Megan Alisa: 1:07:09

Thank you. Yeah, I love TikTok. Tiktok's my favorite. I hope it doesn't go away, yeah, but yeah, it's so fun Most of the time. Sometimes it's not fun.

Lauren: 1:07:27

When you get the snarky, the snarky punks, the testers, yeah, yeah, or the judgy people. Yeah well, thank you so much for hanging out and chatting with us and your amazing insight yeah, you give us a lot to look into.

Frank: 1:07:35

I'm I'm very excited to dig in yeah, thanks.

Megan Alisa: 1:07:39

well, I'm happy to help and I hope it helps people listening too, and I really appreciate you guys having me here to chat with you.

Frank: 1:07:47

Oh, no, thank you.

Megan Alisa: 1:07:48

Thank you.

Frank: 1:07:49

We will talk to you soon.

Lauren: 1:07:50

Yeah, thanks so much, megan, bye.

Frank: 1:07:58

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