032: Cosmic Order // with Lucy Jayne

Lucy Jane's journey into mediumship began at a very young age and was solidified with an extraordinary moment—communicating with her grandmother just after her passing. This deeply personal experience provides a poignant insight into the power of spirit communication; for Lucy, it helped remove some of the fear.

In this episode of Clairvoyaging, we discuss the importance of aligning yourself with the right job and relationships, and our guest Lucy shares her invaluable tips for finding your true path in life. We also touch upon how personal trauma and societal influences can impact one’s spiritual journey. Through captivating personal anecdotes and emotional moments, we explore the significance of letting go of control, finding peace amidst uncertainties, and the protective presence of loved ones in spirit.

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Transcript

Lauren: 0:01

Hey, voyagers. In this episode we had a chat with Lucy Jane, an international evidential medium. She talks about how she started communicating with her grandmother immediately after her grandmother passed and has been doing so ever since. We talk about the other side of jobs that aren't right for you, wrong relationships and getting on the right path. She's an absolute delight and she put Frank in his place, which is always my favorite thing. I'm your host, lauren Leon.

Frank: 0:30

And I'm the guy that she's talking about.

Lauren: 0:32

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. And this is episode 32 of Claire Voyaging let's go wayfeather media presents claire voyaging, that's right hi, friends, hey buddies frankie, you feeling good today, you feeling right as rain, right as rain yes. Right as summer rain.

Frank: 1:10

You know, I will say this Tell me. We had a couple of interviews recently, including the international psychic medium Lucy Jane, and a few of these people have not only put me in my place, they gotcha, they got me. They got me good and I'm feeling a little bit better. Listeners, I know you've heard me. You've heard cranky Frankie, I'm not going to lie, they've got a little dose of the cranky. Frankie, it's been a little off, but you know what? This is good, this is good.

Lauren: 1:37

This is part of the yeah, and they are kind of setting you straight which is you're on your way.

Frank: 1:47

What are friends, if not the people that call you out yeah, when you're doing the?

Lauren: 1:52

wrong thing. So stay tuned for that, because that is a fun time. A quick little update. I thought this might be fun to share. I'm going to start a 30 day meditation challenge for myself soon, in the next week or two. I thought I would tell you in case you want to join me. And now that I'm saying it out loud, I have to do it because otherwise I'll look like a total liar jerk punk. Anyway, every day for 30 days I'm going to meditate, say a mantra or two and write down five things I'm grateful for. It's a really simple thing, but I don't do it enough and I want to challenge myself to do it every day. If you want to join me, soon I'm going to have a little downloadable daily checklist on our Claire Voyaging website. It'll be before I start, and I'll also be trying different guided meditations, including some from the guests that we've had on the show. So stay tuned for that.

Frank: 2:48

The word around the water cooler here at Wayfeather Media is that if you complete the 30 days, you might move on to doing 60 days.

Lauren: 2:59

Potentially.

Frank: 3:00

What was the impetus for this? What did you hear about doing? 60 days of mindful practice.

Lauren: 3:04

I was talking to my friend Emily and she said that doing a daily meditation for 60 days can really have some positive changes.

Lauren: 3:14

Like changes, I think she actually said mantras too, which is kind of why I was like I'm going to try something like that because I want to do a daily meditation, but I not. I'm not. I have a problem with consistency. No, let me change my language. I want to do something like that and I'm working on my consistency. Cool that you know. Gamifying something or making it like a fun little challenge helps me stay focused yeah, all right um, also follow.

Lauren: 3:43

Also follow us on TikTok or Instagram, if you're not doing that already, because I'll be posting a new video about my journey with that every day. So that's my update, frank, you got anything.

Frank: 3:55

No, we're good. I just want to throw it once again. Voyagers, thank you for joining us. Yeah this is fun. We're having fun. I hope you're having fun with us.

Lauren: 4:05

Yeah, it's always a good time and this has been so fun to do. Yeah, this is fun. We're having fun. I hope you're having fun with us.

Frank: 4:07

Yeah, it's always a good time and this has been so fun to do. Yeah, just expressing appreciation for our friends.

Lauren: 4:09

Yeah, I love that. We love you guys. Oh, also, you'll hear me cry Take it away.

Frank: 4:17

What's new? Here we go.

Lauren: 4:21

Lucy, thank you so much for joining us. On Claire Voyaging, we're so happy to have you here.

Lucy: 4:26

Oh hi, thank you for having me, I'm excited.

Lauren: 4:29

Yay, so we love to hear people's stories. So, if you would, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got to what you're doing now?

Lucy: 4:41

So yeah, so right now I'm a full-time working evidential psychic medium, reiki master, crystal therapist and I've done loads of other things, but that's what I stick to on a professional level and for me I always knew I would do this professionally. Even from being little I was like I know I need to do it. But let me have that life experience first. So I've been working full-time professionally for about four years now and I literally went from right. I worked with you to form full-time work and there was no in between.

Lucy: 5:15

Oh, really yeah, crazy, winging it by the sea of my pants for like forever. So, um, so for me, I was a very um, empathic, emotional, sensitive child. I was always having um spirit experiences, really intuitive. A lot of it I kept to myself. I didn't quite know what was going on or what I was experiencing. My mom was like super, my mom would be the best medium, but she's such a wuss she really is. She's just like no, no, no, I don't want to know anything, I don't want to see anyone, but please do me a reading. Oh, really, my mum, she's like yeah, so even though as a child she knew what I was experiencing, she was too scared to kind of do anything about her. I have heard a conversation with a with um shared with my granddad and we're like we need to get some help, like we really need to get some help.

Lucy: 6:09

I was having waking up the night. I had three calls of people. There was like people trying to wake me up. I could see spirit, subjectively, objectively. I could hear them, I could smell them. I was like, oh, my god, I was just traumatized.

Lucy: 6:23

I go in like an old pub and I could hear conversations that were taking place and it was it was, it was quite a lot and and it was kind of like I just dealt with it. I never did anything with it and that was. I mean, that was probably up until I was about 10 years old and then, um I've said before a massive change in point for me I didn't recognize any of these people that were trying to connect with me. I didn't know who they were, it was just scary. Um, I was quite traumatized by it. You know, not everyone, no one mentioned having these experiences. You know, I just thought I was having nightmares, wow, but my mind was so active, like to me.

Lucy: 7:03

Now I know that I can mind travel quite easily, like I just take myself wherever I want to go. You know, like some people do that in meditation, I just do that if I'm a bit bored. It's like I go off and create something for myself. But it was so real and I always used to just duck out of life a little bit, quite a lot when I was younger as well. So I didn't really recognize anyone in the spirit. Everyone was just a stranger. And then, um, my nan became really poorly when I was about 11 years old and she passed away before we'd even got the call late in the night at hospital to say she would pass away. Me and my mum looked at each other and we looked in the kitchen and my nan was stood there and we both saw her and I was like, oh, I just got chills.

Lucy: 7:45

I was like nan's passed away. She's like, yeah, and then the phone started ringing and say we had to go to my mom. Never spoke to that again. She was just like we had that moment and then. And then that was it. Wow. And then after that I just heard her all the time like she was just giving me advice and I'd see her and I'd check in. It's like, oh gosh, I've got my nana still and everyone else is crying.

Lucy: 8:05

And I was the one that was like helping people through the grief and like you're all right, you know she's okay. And it was just like, you know, for my mum having to lose her mum. You don't understand what that does to people. So it was massive and it kind of by me being okay because I was comfortable with her. It allowed her to grieve and not have to worry about you know, oh, got better stress, check she's okay type thing. I was supporting everyone and then I was like, oh, I know that's my nan, so then then it just became a lot clearer and I then started to connect with angels and Archangel Michael and I was always quite fearful and I knew that he was with me and I talked to him loads and in my head most of the time.

Lucy: 8:49

These days, you can often see me walking down the street having a conversation, and people must think I've got earphones in or something and I'm like that's fine, but as a kid a lot of it was in my head as well, so, yeah, so that was really good. That was a massive turning point for me is that when I had people who I'd had a physical experience with start passing to spirit and I could recognize them and know and animals as well, and, like my, my golden retriever passed away and I could still see a lion at the bottom of my bed and I still felt weight over as well, which was really interesting. And because I feel physically like when, when loved ones come and blend with me, like everything goes, I had to learn. Like some people are so worthy and educated by everything and they've got to learn to be a medium, I've had to unpick it all and go what's the name of that thing that I do? Like that's kind of how I've learned, because it was just so natural. Because it was just so natural and yeah, so I don't. People have their opinions and but this is mine. I don't think you can be a good medium without having to heal from experiences. We keep hearing that.

Lucy: 9:58

Oh yeah, being connected spirit from a young age hasn't prevented me going through my own ups and downs. You know I was quite. I really struggled with friendships because I was so empathic and loyal and sensitive and I never got that back and I was always struggling with that, struggling to keep friendships. And then I became like a bit of a hopper, so I'd have like all different friendship groups and I'd duck in and out and and just go where it felt right, if that makes sense and that kind of doesn't make you, um, popular either, because it just seems like you're not committed, but, um, so I struggled with friendship groups and then I went into work and I never I really tried hard with jobs when I was younger Like I really wanted to be good at what I did and I just weren't meant to be doing it. So I never was Like. I was just like, yeah, you can have the experience, but you're not going to get too comfy, because we don't want you to like.

Lauren: 10:57

This isn't your thing.

Lucy: 10:58

Yeah, so I'd have all these experiences, all these ups and downs, and I knew it was kind of where I was going to be. And then you know, without going into it too much, I've had the difficult relationships. I probably drank too much when I was younger as well. I feel like I heavily relied on alcohol to numb a lot and experience that as well. I don't think it was ever like an issue, but I certainly went through my experiences with that.

Lucy: 11:26

So when you work with spirit, they will go to places that you've been. So you know how to help someone else. So if you haven't healed from something, mediumship is going to be a trigger on a daily basis for you. So you need to do the work to be a good medium, because nobody wants to go to work and be like let's recall every bad experience you've ever had on a daily basis yeah, massively too much.

Lucy: 11:52

And getting back to how I kind of and and in that I mean there's millions of things I could tell you um, I'd had my, um, my first daughter, and I was like there were so many experiences with that. I was like I just want some peace while I raise my daughter. You know, I don't want to have to go through what I do and I was very fearful that she would have to have the same experience as me because nobody was in control. But I was in control this time and I made sure that she didn't have to go through that. But my kids are so intuitive it's unbelievable when my eldest was young.

Lucy: 12:26

Yeah that, but my kids are so intuitive, it's unbelievable. When my eldest was young, yeah, she'd be like mom. Will you close the door because nan's watching me on the toilet and can you tell to stop waking me?

Lucy: 12:32

up at night oh my god, right, okay, and she's my eldest, she's about 16 now and she's just, she's just not interested. She's like she is so understanding of what I've did, but she's not interested. At the other, and I've got an eight-year-old, phoebe as well, and I'd say about a year ago she was walking down the downstairs and she was being so noisy and I was shouting out and I was like, will you just be quiet? And um, she went, oh, and my Nana said to me leave her alone. So I was like, oh, right, okay, but she was on the stairs and she went mom, someone just went, be quiet to me. So she told me to leave her alone and at the same time she told her because spirit can be omnipresent, um, to be quiet. She went. Who was that lady? Like I don't know, but it was real. She's like, right, okay, she just accepted it. Oh my gosh and was that her first experience that I'm aware.

Lucy: 13:29

Yeah whoa that I'm aware of. I know she's seen um pets that passed over. She's like look, I can see. You know we've got a cat called raggles that passed um a couple years ago. I can see raggles um and I know that they visit her in their dreams quite a lot. So, wow, I neither I don't encourage, but I don't discourage. I want her to find her path. But one thing I'm really tight on is my, my children get to have a peaceful night's sleep. No one comes in and disturbs anyone in our house.

Lauren: 13:57

Yeah, like tight you set the boundaries like before bed yeah, absolutely.

Lucy: 14:03

And then obviously work in um psychically as well. My youngest we do do like I'll do the shopping list. She can name items on the shopping list, like I've been saying so what have I got this week? That's different. And she's like oh yeah, that, and she can name it as well. Oh, my gosh. And my eldest is like you two are so weird, stop ganging up on me. And they kind of, they don't let me play like guessing games, like they'll go mom guess what. And I'm like can I have help? They're like no, but kind of getting to that point with them as well. Sorry, am I really waffling on it?

Frank: 14:42

no, this is perfect that was great keep it coming.

Lucy: 14:44

Perfect. So getting to the point of becoming a professional medium, it was during COVID, actually, and I was in a job and it just broke my soul and I tried to do this job for like 21 years. I weren't good at it. I had a lot of anger and animosity towards employers and I don't really think they were the problem, like putting my hands up and like big girl pants on.

Lauren: 15:13

I feel like, yeah, it was difficult.

Lucy: 15:15

I felt hard done by at the time and I was like you know they're being so mean because I just want to come in and earn money and not do any work and I found it really difficult. But it was soul destroying and what kind of work, was it?

Lauren: 15:32

it was dealing with pensioner death okay, so it was a lot, especially through.

Lucy: 15:40

COVID, I was like I can't, I just can't, and being sensitive like you.

Lucy: 15:46

That's too much yeah yeah and yeah I won't. I won't go into that too much but I um, I went, I went off sit. I was like I can't do this, I need to take some time out for myself. And I was walking my dog in this field and I'm I love cows, but I'm terrified of them. And I was on like the moors on the hills and all these cows were coming around as I've got this border collie and I was like go away, they're coming for you. And I was like I've gone over this wall. I've been bit by a horse fly which affected me. I ended up in hospital getting different antibiotics and I was like I need to make some changes. That was my break point. I was like, no, but like, and when I feel better, my life's changing. And it changed massively. And I was like I liked yourself.

Lucy: 16:36

I went on to do Reiki. I'm now a Reiki master I've been for years which is phenomenal. I love doing that. I love my clients, yeah. And then I was like I'm going to start doing readings, I'm going to see where I can go with this, and everything just went straight away. That in itself, people go oh, what do you mean? You're a medium, you're like we've known you for two seconds and the wellness injury I got a tough lesson in the spiritual and wellness community isn't all that friendly.

Lauren: 17:10

I was like, oh right, okay, um, you face like judgment, like oh, how are you suddenly a medium, or not?

Lucy: 17:18

judgment. But when you're going to groups and working with people and you just go as a newbie and then all of a sudden the teacher can't teach you, it's, it's quite strange. And so I was like, oh yeah, I'll move on to somewhere else, because I was like I felt like I had to learn, and actually I didn't. I'd already been being taught by spirit all my life, so I was instilling this thing. I'm an ebid. There must be more to this. This seems a bit too simple.

Lucy: 17:46

I didn't really get it. So I um, I was like, right, and then making those changes, I said to my spirit team, which consisted of a lot of family members, actually, I chose my spirit team, I put it all together, people that I wanted to connect with on a daily basis and then, as I got more established, people were dropping in to help with work a bit more and and and things like that, and my healing team and my communication team and they were all coming and introducing themselves to me. But I was like I will listen to you every single day for a year and see where it gets me oh, hey, I mean, those are the best teachers then yeah.

Lucy: 18:25

So I did um automatic writing every day for a year. I took my instruction and what they wanted me to do that that day and everything I did each day was to set me up for the next day. So it was building on that. So I and I'm passionate about crystals. So I was like, right, I've just got 250 pounds on a credit card. I went and bought some stock. I started doing tabletop parties at people's homes. I was doing readings. I was like, and then the reputation was growing and I was like, oh my god, within three months, do it right, find the premises. I was like you're joking me, I'm not doing that. It's like go and find the premises. I'd lost my job by this point. I was off sick and they were like no, you're gone. And we noticed you've set up a business and whatever. So my job was gone. I was like, well, I've no choice now, have I, have I?

Lauren: 19:11

So right, I'll do it. It's like a movie where you're being literally told by a team of spirits to do this.

Lucy: 19:23

That's awesome. I'm like that Wally Goldberg in Ghost Island.

Lauren: 19:25

I'm like we will, so you went and got a location.

Lucy: 19:32

I got the location. I got the location, I got the premises. I opened straight away. Um, they came. People came. I was like oh my gosh, and I felt sick before every reading like I was like, oh my god, imposter syndrome was huge. Oh yeah, I still sometimes. I mean, I've done thousands and thousands, but I care so much I still get a. I want this to be right. Yeah, I'm obviously. I don't not to the point where I feel sick. Now, do you know, I'm a little bit more calm about that. I couldn't do it if that was the case. But yeah, they came and I was like, oh right, okay, and then I moved location and then I went and connected with some people at um, the at in the college in Stanford in the uk.

Lauren: 20:13

I don't know if you've heard about that a few guests have been there, like american or canadian. Um, some of our guests have been to that college. We just megan, alisa and courtney dawson. Yeah, it's a big, it's a big thing. Oh, you know, courtney, it's like hogwarts. That's what we've heard. Yeah, everyone says it's like Hogwarts. That's so fun. That's what we've heard. Yeah, everyone says it's like Hogwarts.

Lucy: 20:34

Yeah, that's cool. It's definitely somewhere to go. Even if you just go once, it's definitely somewhere to experience. So I went there and I was like you know, I've never done platform before I got up there and I was like I've never done this before. So I just got a crowd full of working mediums and I was like I've never done this before.

Lucy: 20:53

So I just got a crowd full of working mediums and I was like what am I doing? I don't want to do this, do it, do it? Oh right, so I've got these that are going on and and I brought through this phenomenal message for one of the tutors actually and then I was on them Tony Stockwell's course, and afterwards he's like that we've been discussing. It's like one of the best um platform demonstrations in the years. I was on Tony Stockwell's course and afterwards he's like we've been discussing it. It's like one of the best platform demonstrations I've seen in years. I was like, oh my gosh, I can do this. And I was like so I came away from the first time of being there and I was like, yeah, I'm all right, I can kind of get through with it.

Lauren: 21:27

I mean, you couldn't ask for better validation than that. That's incredible.

Lucy: 21:34

Yeah, validation yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, and then, oh, then I went through. I've been through massively in my personal life, which obviously impacts your mediumship as well. So then I was going getting divorced and then it came for it too. My business has to fund me and my children, and you know, roof over my head, everything, and I just know that they've got my back, which is amazing. So, yeah, that's where I am, and I am passionate about still doing one-to-one private readings, because I feel like the more experienced mediums become, the more they want to do the fun stuff and fair play to them. I can't think about anything worse than getting on a platform and being the centre of attention. It's not my comfortable spot and whilst I said, with spirit, I'll try it, I need to be comfortable, and I never wanted to be this show person or anyone that you know did have all eyes on them. It's not pleasant for me. So I love doing the one-to-ones and connecting with people all over the world, because Zoom's amazing, isn't it? It's got so many people together.

Frank: 22:39

So your heart is really in the helping people navigate their own things, their own needs.

Lucy: 22:46

Absolutely, absolutely. I love nothing more than letting spirit do that, their loved ones do that. So I don't mind working psychically I think you have to work psychically at some point um, and I'll always make a sort of connection with my sister and but for me, really letting our loved ones come close and blend with me to the point where they're given their guidance and evidence and I'm really hot on evidence. I'm not an airy fairy. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your backside, tell you what you want to hear, I won't do it. Yeah, you know I will deliver what you need in the kindest, caring, loving way, but I'm not gonna give you what you want when it comes from spirit. And and I do filter some people because there's nothing better than a naughty nana who's a bit too cheeky. So I do filter sometimes with what's coming through and try and soften it. But no, I love it, I love what I do, I really do.

Lauren: 23:45

Man Amazing.

Frank: 23:47

I have so many questions. I've been writing.

Lauren: 23:51

I take notes, just non-stop writing over here. All right, this is your automatic writing.

Frank: 23:58

No, it's not automatic when you were a kid and you were experiencing spirit so frequently. What do you think, or what do you probably know? What were they reaching out to you for? Was it just because you, you, were there?

Lucy: 24:13

I think everything, what everything that I've been through, was leading me to the point where I am now. I don't believe in coincidences. Could it be? Could it have been better? Yes, you know, spirit aren't aware of time. So when you're asleep, like, oh, we can get her, she's resting, she might listen to us yeah, I've heard that spirits don't like necessarily acknowledge youth because of the the whole time problem so they don't know that someone might be too young to like help is that a thing um?

Lucy: 24:45

oh, that's an interesting question. I'm gonna, I'm gonna see where what guidance I get with that. Um, it's not enough but too much fun. I don't think it's not. I don't think it's the. They don't realize that the human is young. They recognize the spirit, got it as being old.

Frank: 25:03

Yeah.

Lucy: 25:04

If that makes sense.

Frank: 25:05

Yes.

Lucy: 25:05

Ooh.

Lauren: 25:06

Yeah, oh, I need a second for that.

Lucy: 25:09

That's so interesting I haven't thought about that, so that's just's just me as well. I was like, oh yeah, so you know, yes, the, the souls arrived in the body, the spirits arrived in the body and the body's young and great and youthful, but actually this souls have how many lives? How will this soul right I don't know why.

Lauren: 25:31

That's like making me feel emotional. It's so weird emotional yeah, I don't know, it's cute or something. It's like uh, it's beautiful.

Lucy: 25:41

I told you I cry, I cry a lot when something resonates with you and touches your soul and I always say, with a lot of spiritual stuff, there's so much that talks to your soul and there's so much that isn't and take what resonates and leave the rest. But when you get that emotional reaction, it's like something just makes sense to you, something that sits right with you as well. And I don't believe that I mean that was from my spirit team, so I didn't know the answer to that question, so I got my guidance from that and so I believe that 100. If you was to ask me without the guidance, you might have been thinking what is she talking about? Because I don't have all the answers, um, and I tried to be lucid, just a human and not always going for that, because it's a fine balance yeah yeah, man, I don't that just got me.

Lauren: 26:34

That's so weird, but it's, yeah, it's like this. I'd never, you'd never even think of it that way.

Frank: 26:42

Yeah, that like made sense.

Lauren: 26:43

Like recognizing their they're not. They're recognizing their soul. That's so cool. Right, Okay, I'm fine.

Frank: 26:54

Our audience is accustomed to you crying at this point, so it's fine.

Lauren: 26:59

There she goes again. It's like a running joke now.

Frank: 27:03

Lucy, please don't think I'm dismissive of my wife. I'm just used to this, that's all. I love her for who she is.

Lauren: 27:08

And part of my healing is just accepting it when it comes.

Lucy: 27:15

Yeah, just let it out, yeah.

Frank: 27:18

That's so okay. That makes a lot of sense. Especially before we started recording, we were telling you about our niece, Gwen. That makes a lot of sense, yeah, Because we've been on this, so we've been told that Gwen is her soul, is is a little bit older, whereas me, in contrast, I am apparently on like my third or fourth round here. I'm a baby. I have the intention personally to try and like progress in leaps and bounds If I can get over my own. You know trauma and like self-limiting beliefs in this life, but in the same respect, I don't think anyone's like really like dying to talk to me.

Frank: 28:07

He's still new, I don't want to talk to that guy. It's funny, but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's crazy.

Lucy: 28:16

Do you know, with that and this is kind of coming from me and I'm not getting that guidance from my experiences why wouldn't they talk to you? It's our natural language, right, yeah?

Lauren: 28:27

Yeah.

Lucy: 28:28

Why wouldn't they? I think it's only when we get so caught up in society and being told it's wrong or whatever, or just lack of education. However, it's a natural. It's something that's always felt really natural to me. Obviously, the communication, because where we are in, the physical is a lot denser and it's harder to match those frequencies. So it is more difficult, difficult, but it feels natural. So why, why wouldn't they? It could be like oh, I forgot to tell you that before you were went back, when you're back again, or, yeah, loads of things. What is interesting and what I would say is that it can be terrifying when you're young, it can be, um, it can just be overwhelming. But what you tend to find is that fear builds so like, attracts, like, so when, when you're seeing that as a beautiful experience, that's what you're getting. But when it feels fearful, that energy builds and it just becomes so much in that you can think of it as a negative experience rather than a positive, because you're allowing your own mind to, to let that fear creep in.

Frank: 29:40

Yeah, so that's one of the things that I noticed about in you telling us your story with your kids is that you're saying that your youngest like saw somebody like you know shushing her and she wasn't horrified like. You've done a fantastic job, yeah, in teaching them or at least like exposing them to to like that.

Lucy: 30:00

This isn't bad she didn't hit, she didn't see um my mom at that point she heard this okay, okay but she heard it really like, really clear, and um, I don't think, I don't think she's seen a, a, a spirit person objectively that I'm aware of. I don't. It's not that I'm shying away from asking of those questions, I just think she isn't scared, right. And um, I found her like I've got like a shop crystal shop and where I do my reading, so and I've got my reiki room, my healing space, and I walked in one day and she sat there and she turned the lights off and put a chair in the middle and she just sat there and I went what are you doing? She's like I'm just letting spirit move around me.

Lauren: 30:44

And I was like all right, do you need any help?

Lucy: 30:46

She's like no, I'm good, I was like all right, I'll lead you to it and I just let her have that experience. Whatever experience that was for her, I just let her have it and went back minutes. It's like you don't know. She's like, yeah, I'm fine holy cow yeah. So I was like will you let me get help you develop when you're older? She's like no, I want to do this, but if I don't do well at that, then I'll come and work with you man, that's very fair yeah, do your own thing so for you was um, you said as soon as your, your nan, crossed over.

Frank: 31:22

Was that kind of like a, a pivot point for you where you finally understood what you'd been experiencing the entire time?

Lucy: 31:28

it was almost like she she made everyone else go away gotcha, gotcha so it was like go away, she doesn't like it.

Lucy: 31:37

And she could communicate with me and everyone that was trying to communicate with me that I recognize now. I had not known them in the physical. They were actually loved ones, they were like you know, great, great grandparents and things like that and people that I really can and know loads about now and and I kind of got to know them really well as well because my mum knows everything about everyone she's one that, like, applied for the first certificate deaf certificates and when I was like, right, I'm going to work professionally as a medium, she's like well, let me put you to the test.

Frank: 32:06

Oh my gosh, that's so helpful. That's awesome.

Lucy: 32:10

Well, I was like I've got this person and this is how they died, and this is what they look like.

Lauren: 32:21

And she was like all right, okay, oh my gosh. Yeah, Do you still talk to your nan? Is she still around? Oh my gosh every day.

Lucy: 32:26

Yeah, every day, absolutely. And obviously I've got my guy. I'm not in spirit now as well. He's amazing. I've got a picture of him in spirit. I'll send it over to you. Like I was I, I just say good morning. They're always with me, the hour is with me. So I'm like morning. And this particular morning he came so close I could see him objectively and I had my phone. I was like, oh, there we go. And they got paid travel. So I was like, oh, morning, please send that. Yeah, I'll send it over to you. It was so lovely. But, yeah, I use them. I'm demanding. If they're you know, they need to make up for the traumatized child.

Frank: 33:02

Yeah, Wait, can I ask you a question about that? Does spirit communicate at the same speed that we communicate with each other? Or are you doing a lot of the talking fast forward in your mind, Like when you saw your grandpa? Were you like, hey, hold on Cheese.

Lucy: 33:17

You took a picture or no, it would have, he would have been gone if I had been like that Because, you know, like Wednesday, for example, you turn the lights off and you break a flash and you see an arse moving around and, like the minute you want to catch him, they're gone because he's moving so fast. I just happened to take a picture in that moment and I was like, oh, morning, that was great. I think I must have needed that for a work purpose or something. There's a reason why he allowed that to happen and and I, I, just I, I genuinely feel he just, you know, maybe he just wanted his face to be seen that day. I'm not too sure, but I was like, oh, there you go that's so, that's so amazing, do you?

Lucy: 34:00

know what, though?

Lucy: 34:02

I can communicate with my loved ones so easily, and I really have an amazing ability to connect with other people's loved ones, but it isn't always easy, and this is something I really want to stress as well.

Lucy: 34:15

It's like having to really work to bring that evidence through, and people are difficult. If they were difficult here, they're going to be difficult in spirit, and I'm not always aligned with my sisters, like my boundaries are so tight, so I don't. I don't want your viewers to think, oh my gosh, it's like you know, they just pop in and we're having this chat and it's all energy, and I think we really need to remember that as well, and so my job as a medium is to get other people's loved ones to come and blend really close, and I can describe what they look like, what they did for a living, how they passed away, anything they want to tell me to pass on, and I let them work however they want to work. I've also done trans mediumship so we can get a really good blend, so that's amazing, but sometimes it's just you're not compatible.

Lauren: 35:04

Yeah, I mean, if you're not, yeah personalities in this physical realm, you're not always compatible with everybody.

Frank: 35:13

Makes sense. I think there is an assumption that once you like crossover, there is an immediate evolution.

Lauren: 35:19

maybe I mean I've wondered that myself, but or that a medium can just understand every different. You know way that someone communicates yeah, that's true like if someone's showing you like a truck or something, I don't know how they, how you see, you know if you're, if you work in like symbols or something like that, where you're like I don't understand you.

Lucy: 35:43

I can see, hear, smell, taste, feel everything. However, they want to work. I'm absolutely fine with that. What you'll get is when someone comes and shows you something, you then have to put your perspective on it, because you've been shown something and you can. You know. You would say I've seen this, there's nothing in that. So you have to think oh well, what's that kind of related? What are they trying to show me? I don't know why they all just don't talk to me. I really don't know.

Lucy: 36:14

It'd be easier yeah like just tell me what I is. But I know when they get annoyed with me when I don't get it and I'm like what is that my dictionary with spirits?

Lucy: 36:27

so some of the spirits do just talk to you yeah, okay, so it's like it's not a physical booming the voice. I have heard things. Objectively, I don't like it like. It's not like. How can I explain this? It's not like they haven't got a voice box, it's not them. So it's energy and it makes a really it's a different sound and it's not something I'm comfortable with and so I'd rather not do that. I'd also rather not see people objectively like. I just rather see them in my mind's eye. Sure, yeah, it's like me talking to you and it bypassing your ear, and I just know I've heard it right, okay, and I would do this. So that's kind of how that that works as well. Um, I can, you know, I can taste, smell, you name it like all the clairs are activated when I go into a reading.

Lauren: 37:18

How does your on and off switch?

Frank: 37:20

work, or is there?

Lauren: 37:21

one Is there one?

Lucy: 37:22

Absolutely. You cannot do mediumship and not have tight boundaries, like I've seen some people who are like oh, I'm just, you know, whatever. No, have a day off because you're not here to just be. You know, you're not meant to just keep having that spiritual experience. You may not have the physical, the human experience, the good, the bad, the ugly. You're not meant to prevent it. Um, so, for me, as a professional medium, works work. When I disconnect from your reading, your loved ones are going back with you. They're not staying with me, yeah, they're. Also, they're not allowed to connect with me until five minutes before the reading and they're not allowed to connect with me until five minutes before the reading and they're not allowed to communicate with me until your loved one is sat in front of me.

Lauren: 38:07

That's not happening. I don't want that.

Lucy: 38:10

Yeah, like with you guys now, I'm not in your energy, I'm not blending with you. I haven't got your loved ones here, because that's not what we're here for.

Lauren: 38:17

Yeah.

Lucy: 38:19

So they're my boundaries. Nobody other than my loved ones enter my home, and my loved ones only communicate with me at home if there's a need to, or I've instigated the communication.

Frank: 38:32

Boundaries look at this that's great. You are an excellent boundary setter.

Lucy: 38:36

Yeah, oh my God. I do often find if I fell asleep on the sofa, they will wake me up.

Frank: 38:42

oh my god what like saying like go to bed? Or are they saying like uh, hey, you, you forgot to tell us to go away I'm I'm really sensitive to energy, so I noticed shifts in energy.

Lucy: 38:56

So I don't know if you've ever come across anyone that says like they feel like they're in the bed and they feel the bed's moving or it's shaking or things like that. So they'll create such an energetic path that I'll be like oh yeah, and I'll wake up from it, so they'll give me a bit of a nudge in a, in an energetic way. Yeah, that's interesting. And then I'll be like they'll be like bed or something like that I'll just know.

Frank: 39:18

Okay, man fine you were talking about something earlier. That speaks towards where I am currently in in my journey. If, first of all, let me explain this. I'm sure the listeners know at this point I'm very heady. I overthink stuff. I don't even know that I'm overthinking stuff. It's just like a natural state for me and that's probably why I typically have a hard time connecting. Sometimes I feel very disconnected from like spirit or source or anything like that, even though I really don't want to be. But one of the things I always remark on in my life is that I'm a very I'm a good worker, I have a lot of skill sets I can bring to jobs, and yet I've been laid off more than anybody I know, and I assume because you were talking about how like you couldn't hold a job because it was not meant for you absolutely yeah, yeah, and I always assumed it was like you said.

Frank: 40:15

Oh, it's just because this guy's a jerk like this and some of them, like you know yeah, there are jerky bosses out there.

Frank: 40:21

They're not great people sometimes but, like my most recent job, I liked everybody so much and it was just circumstantial um, and I was laid off and I am trying to actually inherit whatever lesson that is trying to be put in my path now because of my headiness and I'm trying to solve it with my head I'm having a hard timeiness and I'm trying to solve it with my head I'm having a hard time determining what I'm supposed to move forward with. Like what? What was the the lesson really? Like you knew that you weren't meant for those jobs.

Frank: 40:50

You called it soul draining yeah was that a lesson that was being like pushed onto you multiple times in order for you until it finally clicked for you, or is that absolutely okay? Okay?

Lucy: 41:02

absolutely yeah, and I was. You know I wasn't like you, I was. I was late for work. You know I made a well I didn't say I was on time, but you know I I I'm gonna hold my hands up and own it, because you know I've done my healing. There's no triggers there for me and I've owned pretty much everything. Now I want to just kind.

Lucy: 41:24

I know it's not your reading, so I do apologize but oh, you have permission to do whatever you want, it's fine I want to kind of just come back to where you are, because one thing that stands out is you're trying to take control, yeah, yeah, you're trying to get to the end game before you've been allowed to see it yeah, that feels right yeah so, where you are now, just accept what feels right and kind of get rid of what doesn't be more in the flow of things as well and let go of the fear.

Lucy: 41:58

I feel like you need to become at peace with where you are and allow it to flow, because you are massively wanting to control the narrative and no, and you know it's understandable, because you want the security, you want to know that, you know you're going to be fine and we're ruled by financial security as well and things like that. But just having that peace that whatever's meant for you will not pass you by, is going to change your mindset massively that's helpful.

Frank: 42:29

You know, the thing that, like, I think, the thing that I keep coming back to specifically, that like is affecting me so much is like if it were just me that I was responsible for, I think I'd be able to find flow more, except for I'm just worried about like. I want to be able to find flow more, except for I'm just worried about like I want to be able to, you know, be a contributing member of my family and take care of my kids and my wife, not not in a um, like a gender walls kind of way, like lauren's, lauren's bringing home the bacon right now. I'm totally fine with that.

Lucy: 42:53

But I also like want to be able to like play my, my part, and I just feel like, like you said, I'm trying to control it, I'm I'm pushing hard it's something that we all still do and kind of an example I can give you is and my dad passed away 12 months ago and it was on the monday night. I was in the hospital with him. Tuesday, I had clients booked in all day readings, reiki, you name it. Um, he passed away tuesday morning so I cancelled the diary for that and moved everyone on. Some people cancelled whatever. I didn't care in that particular moment. But the Wednesday I was. I'm self-employed, I've got two kids to look after. You know, I can't, I don't get time to grieve a parent. So I went back in on the Wednesday and I mean I'd already connected with my dad at that point. He's like it's not bad, dear Larry. He was like so afraid to die and he's like it's all right, I'm like okay.

Lucy: 43:44

I'm like you're okay, I did tell you to be fine and so he's like he'd come close and everything like that. So on the Wednesday I had to do a reading for someone and she was in deep grief about her dad that passed away 10 years ago. And I'm like, oh my god, it's not even been 24 hours. What am I doing? Yeah, and I was quite professional so I held it together, but because I had that experience of my dad passing, it meant I could bring more to her experience. Yeah, however, I haven't given myself any time to process any of it and after that reading he went you weren't doing that again.

Lucy: 44:21

They cleared my diary for six weeks. I had no income, I had no clients, everything dropped off. In that time I went right, I'll trust I need and I was not right. Actually I was still. I was doing what I did with my nan. I was looking after my mum and my children and everybody and what my mum needed that support in them six weeks even, just like to clear stuff out and move through stuff and and do what you need to do. So I kind of took charge and and then, when I was ready, bang back in the diary again I was like right, so I had to let go, they said. They always say to me you will have what you need. It might not be what you want, but you'll have what you need.

Lucy: 45:01

All caps, let go with a big circle around it and when we let go of what we want and accept, we have what we need.

Frank: 45:17

You just find more peace yeah, yeah, I, I need that. Thank you, you're welcome. Yeah, yeah, all those things are, are my things like trying to? I'm always trying to like take what I have and push it and try to, like you know, make it be the the best version of what it can be, but as quickly as possible, with the desperation in it I've talked about, even when Lauren. Lauren and I played in a band together for a long time and I was like that's a great song, let's record it, let's write more now, like before, we like lose momentum like very intensely.

Lauren: 45:52

I'm intensely creative, but uh, I get tired of something like really quickly.

Frank: 45:57

And I just that of something like really quickly and be like that's still a great song. I just really need to do more.

Lauren: 46:05

I rarely appreciate what I've already done. Every one of these interviews just becomes a therapy session for one of us yeah, thank you, I have to think about this stuff.

Frank: 46:17

I was gonna ask you if, if being able to, you said you connected with your dad after he passed away, like immediately almost.

Lucy: 46:25

Yeah, absolutely.

Frank: 46:26

Does that help with the grief? Obviously, you still have to process them, not being like present all the time, right, and that's something that you needed to do. You took time to do it, but does does it help?

Lucy: 46:42

Does it help with the grief, knowing that you still can connect in any way. It's quite, I'll be honest with you it's quite tormenting at times. Actually, I found it you're going to find this really strange. I found it easier with my dad. Um, I struggled with my cat because I, um I lost my cat. I've lost two recent well, one recently and one a few years ago and the cat I lost a few years ago, you know, I'd left the um the vet with him and, um, I got home and I was like sobbing my heart out and I it was still like on my knee and I'm still like this.

Lucy: 47:11

I'm like just give me 10 minutes, yeah and I was like I wanted to have the physical loss because we have to feel that, even knowing that he's there spiritually. I needed to not hold on to that for my own healing. I needed to go through that. I needed to get it out of my system, um, and I didn't do that with my dad, and it's only a few um weeks ago I went on holiday that I actually just went oh right, okay, and and processed that, and it wasn't in a in a teary way, it was just in an accepting way yeah to me what, what is my thing?

Lucy: 47:50

I was like swimming in the sea and it was like it was just so cleansing for me and I'd not been away for a year. I've not done anything. I was just like work, work, work, work, work. God provide for the kids, um, and I've not took that time out and I won't be doing that again. I will not be making that mistake again.

Lauren: 48:06

So that's my lesson learned of going back into work like 24 hours after, something like that? Is that the mistake? Just prioritizing myself?

Lucy: 48:15

yeah just just trying to um, and it does affect your mediumship. I was getting towards the point where I was like I'm tired of this, like, but I wasn't, I love it, I really love it. And I came back and I was like I'm sorry, I said it was time I've had nothing but readings. Afterwards it's been great, yeah well yes, that's why I love it.

Frank: 48:36

To your point, like you're talking about how you have to do the inner healing to be able to perform mediumship and stuff. If you're like being able to connect with, with spirit is tainted at all by your like putting a bandaid on your own personal wounds. You're turning yourself off to a lot of emotion and to a lot of things that you can feel. I get that and also I mean I shouldn't speak about your abilities, but that's what I was thinking about when you said that. And then also speaking towards your, your cats, the your relationship with your, your pets, tends to be very physical and present, like they bring you in the present, you know what I mean yeah.

Frank: 49:16

Whereas like a cat is always like sitting on your lap or like by your head or whatever, yeah, and same thing like I've had like family, unless it was like a, like a friend or somebody who passed away suddenly, like those were always hard. I got past the like shock grief element like in a day to a week, but my pets, my pets are like I still, I still miss them now and it's because, yeah, like legitimately, like our, our, I feel like our relationships with with other humans are very, um you know, communication based. You want, you want to hug your dog and you want to hug your cat and you can't do that anymore.

Lauren: 49:48

Yeah, the physical thing is a. There's a big difference there, so that makes sense, yeah.

Lucy: 49:54

No, I, I feel that and I think that I think as well. That's why I was allowed the the time off to be with my mom, because she missed the physical presence at home, um, and it was a lot, a lot more different there. So having that support there from me was I was where I needed to be yeah you know, it was lovely. Um, so I just, I just went with it.

Lauren: 50:16

I thought, oh, what will be will be yeah um, it was fine isn't it always, though it's always fine, right so we've had to say that so many times or the short road and you get there.

Lucy: 50:31

I always tend now to follow the path of least resistance.

Frank: 50:35

Yeah, I don't make problems, I'm like right, okay, I'll go yeah, as far as like society goes, like I at least, I am trained to believe that the path of least resistance tends to be the lazier one and that there is, like I think this is a personal trauma, damn it shit.

Lauren: 50:54

Yeah, that's your that's your self, that's your belief in your mind yeah, well, should write that one down too.

Frank: 51:01

Thank you everybody I.

Lucy: 51:05

I think I was trying to stick with that. I think you've got the path of least resistance and healing mixed up. So it's about going through the emotions, not trying to block it, not trying to mask it, say with alcohol or keeping busy or doing this or doing that. You're going the long road there. So a healing process that can take you like two months, could take you 10 years because you've just suppressed it. What you'll find then when you do that, is that energy, that energetic footprint, sits, sits within the body, upsets your energy centers. That creates more problems, more patterns, more um unaligned behavior, and you've gone the long road. Does that make sense?

Frank: 51:44

yes, yeah, sorry, I love it this is necessary. I feel like it always is, it always is.

Lauren: 51:58

Perfect timing talking to.

Frank: 52:00

Lucy, no, I know I've had a hard week. Two weeks, I think I've had a hard couple of it's been. It's been a minute.

Lucy: 52:06

Yeah, and do you know what? The best thing you can do for that is just down tools and be like let's just regroup as a family, let's go and have some fun. It doesn't have to cost anything. Go to the park, do something, let's just have some fun. And when Spirit see you having fun, you're attracting more things, because life attracts life. So go and be happy. And your problems aren't going to go away. They're going to be there. But you might have a light bulb moment and you'll be driven and motivated because there'll be an answer somewhere when you're at least looking for it and you will have that drift in at some point. But you know, just have the fun. We're not meant to be here for it to be so difficult all the time.

Lauren: 52:46

that's such great advice, that's such a good thing to say, because I feel like that's that speaks to me right now, because we're not, we're just like what are we do, what are we doing next? And it's like this, this very heady thing. And you know, in the meantime, we're like we got two kids and we want to like make sure they're having fun and we're having fun. So that's a great great advice.

Frank: 53:15

You want to know what's also bananas, what I mean. Obviously, talking to Lucy is way more helpful than like us pulling tarot cards and trying to interpret ourselves.

Lauren: 53:28

But you did just have a tarot card. We had a tarot card that told us to slow down and have fun.

Frank: 53:32

I was like what does this mean? That can't be true.

Lauren: 53:35

Yeah, You're like, why? You're like, threw it behind you.

Frank: 53:41

I was like I was like there must be more to this card. Maybe, maybe that's the wrong interpretation. Let's go look up something else.

Lucy: 53:46

It says you want a signier sign? Sign, Just give me another sign to make sure the sign with that.

Frank: 54:00

It's so selfish to want that. Okay. I've never heard of anybody selecting their spirit team. This is a new concept to me.

Lauren: 54:13

Is that common?

Frank: 54:16

Look at me Is that a common thing, that have that happened, or is that like based on our people? I just like why would?

Lucy: 54:22

why wouldn't you? I think it actually stems from me for being a bit of a shitbag, and I just wanted people that I recognized in my team as I was growing up yeah if I'm being honest, I'm gonna have my nan, I'm gonna have my nan because she's really comforting.

Lucy: 54:36

I'm going to have my granddad because he's a powerhouse and no one's going to mess with him. You know, my dad's joined the team now. He's really great, he's really good for business. I've got like my gatekeeper, who's like yeah, you're all right, you can. And I've got my. Then I've got my trans team. I've got my healing team. I've got my communicator.

Lucy: 54:59

And one day I didn't know that I was going to go and study transmedium shit and it's something I was not fearful of. You just, you just hear loads of stories. No one really knows what it is and it thinks you're going to be possessed and you'll lose your body and control and everything. And you're like so yeah, that's where I was at. Um, it's not, it's beautiful, it's great, it's just a stronger blend. It's allowing spirit to blend with you on a deeper level and um and and kind of, use you a little bit more, if that makes sense.

Lucy: 55:26

And so I got one day I was just sat down there. It's like oh hi, I'm john. I was like oh right, okay, and why are you here? He's like I'm going to help with your knowledge and wisdom. I kind of need that. Um, like great, but it turns out he was actually well. He is now um. He's my guide that connects you. When, if I go into trans healing and maybe I'll start speaking, he's the one that brings that. So it'd be him that's bringing that information um to you and and not just my healing team, so he's after that as well well, that's so interesting.

Frank: 56:03

Yeah, I mean, how many your your average like lay person who doesn't necessarily uh connect to spirit or maybe isn't even aware of them? Are they doing anything like uh subconsciously that is, calling in their own spirit team, or or is when you want to assemble your own team? Is it something you have to consciously do?

Lucy: 56:21

they're all there. We have this annoying thing called free will yeah, I've heard of it it gets in the way of a lot of stuff.

Lucy: 56:31

Everybody will have a team that are working behind the scenes without crossing over and affecting your life in the direction you want to live it in, because, ultimately, we are in control. Now I feel like your spirit team would step in to an extent if what you did, or what you're about to do, was to upset too much on a karmic level that would impact others that hadn't signed up for that. So does that make sense?

Frank: 57:02

yeah yeah.

Lucy: 57:03

So I do believe that everyone comes here with a certain agenda I do. I do think that can be derailed. I think that the point of it is to not be derailed but um, and find our way back to where we're meant to be, I think, and navigate it and set out what we intend to do. So you know, things do happen that I think wouldn't ordinarily and I don't think spirit would prevent everything. I don't know the reasons. I don't profess to know everything. I don't think anyone does, and if someone did, what would be the point? Yeah, we're all here for growth and I don't think every medium necessarily has all the correct answers, because if we did and we all just became carbon copies of each other, what are we doing it for? What we're?

Lauren: 57:50

taking back.

Lucy: 57:50

We're all going to have, right, yeah, different experiences. So I always say connect with people. If it resonates, take it. If it doesn't, leave it um. But yeah, I, I don't know what was the question.

Frank: 58:04

Oh, I don't know I mean, this is great, it doesn't matter. I love your answer anyway. I it was about just like building your spirit team. I do have this question about that. About that, too, is is when you bring someone new onto your spirit team. I do have this question about that. About that, too, is is when you bring someone new onto your spirit team, is it like? Is it like a? Uh, is it like a roster on a football team? Like, does someone get the boot? Do you trade them out or or does it? Are you just adding to your team?

Lucy: 58:26

welcome to the party yeah um, I don't know if people work how I work, but the way I work is I have my loved ones, so I've got my guardian angel. Archangel Michael always comes at here. I feel his presence massively there. But my spirit team are always on my left. So whenever I hear anything in my left ear, I know that's for me. When I'm working, everything comes on the right. So I know that that's to pass on.

Lucy: 58:50

But I always say you know, if I feel like I've heard something and I've delivered it wrong and I put my hands up and go oh wait, that's not right, I'll be the first one to know, because they'll tell me it's wrong, but it's out of my mouth by then. So there's no point in going. So everything I hear on the left is my spirit team. Everything I hear on the right is from my clients. But with my spirit team I know what everyone brings to the table. So if I know that my nan's come incredibly close, she don't get involved in work, she's just there to give me emotional support, give me a bit of a hug. And my granddad, he'll be like oh, you know, you won't cross him. He'll be like. He'll be there if I feel like there's any ill intention towards me or if he feels like I need a bit of like strength. He's there for that.

Lauren: 59:37

He's there for that he's there for the gumption.

Lucy: 59:39

Like you got this yeah, you won't cross him. Yeah, say, for example, I've really had enough of someone. I've had enough of a situation. I feel like I'm done with it. I'm like, granddad, can you just start this? I'm not dealing with it anymore and I don't need to know the outcome of it, but I would feel sorry for people because I'm a masculine.

Frank: 59:59

Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

Lucy: 1:00:01

Yeah, but that's just kind of how I work. I don't know how other people work. I don't really pay attention too much because I know it works for me, but I don't feel like I've got rainbows and unicorns. I'm very evidence-based. I need facts and I think when I first started out and I was high, I didn't want to process so much. That hurt me. Yeah, I just went down the factual route. So I'm like, yeah, your dad's got blonde hair, he wears glasses, I know that he went to university, I know that he does this and he's telling me he did that, but there was no emotion in it and I was like I can't just keep going directing facts at people. I need to do the work to bring the emotion, because actually people need to feel that emotion as well. So that was a big learning curve for me.

Lauren: 1:00:50

Oh, that's interesting.

Frank: 1:00:51

That makes sense.

Lauren: 1:00:52

I haven't done an evidential medium reading.

Frank: 1:00:56

I think we, I think we just did, we, we we go to Lucy next time.

Frank: 1:01:02

Yeah, Lucy, you're amazing. I think I want to bring you on for a part two at some point and I I specifically want to talk about, like, your experience with angels and and your work with crystals, cause we didn't get to get into that, yeah, crystals. Because we didn't get to get into that, yeah, um, we'll, we'll reach out at some point and like make sure we book another interview because you're a pleasure to work with yeah, but until then what?

Frank: 1:01:24

uh, give all your, all your plugs yeah, tell us where people can find you oh, you'll find me, too on it.

Lucy: 1:01:29

I'm joking and I'm on, so I'm obviously like you said, lucy, but I work under Cosmic Order. Cosmic Order that's my business name. If you go on my social medias, I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram. You'll find me on there and you can. I've got all my Calendly apps. You can find me on Cosmic Calendly slash, cosmic Order and, yeah, and you can go and book readings. It's all there and I guarantee whatever country and I kind of cater for every time zone. So there's evenings, there's mornings, there's everything and and, and everything I do is on there as well.

Lucy: 1:02:06

I don't I've got the crystal business, but you know, I think everything, most things come from the states where you are anyway, so it's like there's no, there's not really much point plugging that. Um, I think that's probably about it. I haven't got many online courses. I've gone, I kind of go from doing online courses to in-person courses. I'm going through an in-person course phase at the moment, yeah, so, um, at the minute I'm concentrating on the healing and the readings and they can be in person or zoom. So you're more than welcome to book him beautiful we highly recommend wow, what, what a great conversation.

Lauren: 1:02:42

Thank you so much for joining us and giving very helpful insight, especially for frank today, this was it was very needed it was needed. Thank you very much go and have some fun. Thank you very much, go and have some fun.

Frank: 1:02:56

Loud and clear Love that, yeah, let go and have fun. Two takeaways today Lucy, we'll talk to you soon. We'll be in touch.

Lucy: 1:03:05

Thanks for having me.

Lauren: 1:03:06

Thank you, thank you.

Lucy: 1:03:07

Bye-bye, bye-bye.

Frank: 1:03:15

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