035: Sitting in the Power // with Michael Mayo

Come voyage with us as we learn about evidential mediumship with internationally trained medium, astrologer, and spiritual teacher Michael Mayo. Michael's journey from a chance encounter to becoming a respected medium and teacher will inspire you to explore your own potential. Through his unique approach at the Oakbridge Institute, Michael shares the foundational principles that can guide anyone towards spiritual awakening and mediumistic development.

Learn how passivity and neutrality can enhance psychic awareness as Michael reveals practical steps to quieting the mind and recognizing subtle energetic sensations. From his studies with renowned mediums like Eileen Davies and Gordon Smith to his personal experiences of clairaudient communication, Michael offers a detailed roadmap for anyone interested in mediumship. We also tackle the common fears surrounding the spirit world and explore how personal development and healing trauma can play a crucial role in enhancing spiritual practices.

Whether you're a seasoned practitioner or just starting your spiritual journey, Michael's insights will provide valuable guidance and inspiration for developing authentic mediumship skills. 

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hello Voyagers. In this episode we talked with Michael Mayo, an internationally trained medium, astrologer, spiritual teacher and author of the book Spirit Speaks, your Guide to Evidential Mediumship. We talk about how Michael developed his own mediumship and his approach to teaching others through Oak Bridge Institute. He's a pleasure to talk to and, in addition to learning a ton from this one episode, we also laughed a lot, because he's very funny. I'm your host, lauren Leon.

Speaker 2: 0:32

And I'm Frank.

Speaker 1: 0:33

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 35 of Claire Voyaging.

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Claire Voyaging Wayfeather.

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Media presents Claire Voyaging what's going on. Summer's in full swing.

Speaker 2: 1:01

I think it's been a minute now. Right, We've been in summer for a minute.

Speaker 1: 1:04

I know, but it's hot.

Speaker 2: 1:06

It is hot. It's hot, it's muggy.

Speaker 1: 1:08

I went on a hike with our daughter, jean, and it was not a pleasant experience.

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Our daughter, who coaxed Lauren into letting her call me real quick under the guise of something else and then immediately went into a rant saying please come pick me up, I'm dying out here, it's so hot. She took the phone.

Speaker 1: 1:28

She took the phone from me. She said let me talk to dad real quick.

Speaker 2: 1:31

It was very funny to be on the receiving end of that.

Speaker 1: 1:34

The entire walk back. She's like this is so hot, mom. I'm like, oh my God, I'm never doing this again.

Speaker 2: 1:43

We need to get the kids more active.

Speaker 1: 1:44

I'm taking her to gymnastics right now. So, guys, there's a little. That's a little window into the life of the Leons. We hope you're doing well. We have an amazing guest today. We had a blast talking to Michael. We walked away and we were like I said, I want to be friends with him.

Speaker 2: 2:04

Michael Mayo is a cool dude.

Speaker 1: 2:06

Yeah, otherwise, I'm still doing my 30 day meditation challenge and today is day 13. Going strong.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Going strong, doing a good job.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Thanks, frank, are you proud of me?

Speaker 2: 2:18

I'm very proud of you. You're sticking with it, sticking to your guns.

Speaker 1: 2:21

Well, you know, when I make a promise, I can't let myself down more than anyone, even if nobody's doing it Like I am.

Speaker 2: 2:30

What I want to see is this roll into a 60 day.

Speaker 1: 2:32

Yeah, okay, thank you. Yeah Well, frank, you got anything else?

Speaker 2: 2:39

Do I have any other news? Uh, you know, just me fighting with journal printers. Can you have any other news? Uh, you know, just me fighting with journal printers.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Can you believe this saga? It's been two months. Two months you got anything else? No, okay, but I do want to say thank you for your continued listenership. Yeah, reminder, we have these amazing promo packs. We had one of our listeners, kimberly. She posted a picture of her hat. She was in her hat, she was holding her journal. We're throwing in the poorly printed journals as well, so they still.

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worn Sitting here. I wore them on my hike. I wore all of them. No, I wore one on my hike today.

Speaker 2: 3:40

These hats come with Lauren's sweat and Jean complaints.

Speaker 1: 3:44

Yeah, and now take it away, frank.

Speaker 2: 3:47

What? Let's go. Michael Mayo Press play. Oh, the button, the music button, the go. Button. Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 1: 3:57

We have Michael Mayo on Claire Voyaging. Thank you so much for joining us. We're so happy to have you here.

Speaker 3: 4:03

I'm excited to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and also how you got your start in this world of mediumship?

Speaker 3: 4:12

Yeah, so thanks for letting me be here. I started my journey 18 years ago, in February. So last February was 18 years. So I've always kind of had a spiritual bent to me. I've been in many different belief systems and was going to be a pastor and had all these different sort of drives towards understanding that which is bigger than myself, and none of it was really kind of scratching the itch in the way that I think it needed to, and I kind of kept searching until I was finding you know, what is this thing that's bigger than myself?

Speaker 3: 4:50

And I stumbled into a mediumship demonstration where there was a medium from England who was visiting and he was doing a demonstration of mediumship. For those who don't know what that is, that's essentially a medium standing in front of a room with like 60-something people in the room and giving messages to people. And just by chance, that was the second time I visited this metaphysical shop. That was happening and the owner was like you need to go to this and I was like okay, so I went to it and to my surprise because I've had no one who had died in my life at that point uh, the medium was like you're a medium you need to start developing and one day you'll be doing what I'm doing oh and I was like oh okay, they pointed you out from like 60 people.

Speaker 3: 5:40

Yeah, yeah wow, you need to start developing. And so, um, I was like, sure I mean he's. Well, he had initially said, are you where? You're very psychic? And I was like, yes, only because I had dreams that had come true and things like that, not because of any other real reason, like I didn't really know what that meant. Yeah, he said that to me and, uh, I went to my very first development circle a couple of weeks later and I was my turn to give a reading and I got the person's, the person in spirit's name, how they died, when they died, like relationship facts, like just it was all there, basically, you're kind of feel reading, and I went, oh, I guess that guy was right.

Speaker 3: 6:23

And then I went back to the next class and I got nothing. I went back to the next class, I got nothing. I went back to the next class, I got nothing. And so I kind of thought, okay, clearly I was able to do this once, so I just need to understand how to do it again. And that began my 18-year journey of developing my mediumship, and that journey has taken me all over the world to study with some of the best mediums that we have living today, such as Eileen Davies, gordon Smith and I've just been very fortunate to have seen some of the most amazing, incredible mediums in the world and also the height of fraudulence in mediumship oh wow, I've seen the lovely gamut of it all, yeah, and I think that makes me a very informed person regarding all of this sort of thing you walk.

Speaker 1: 7:19

I find it so interesting that like you didn't necessarily it, it was. It sounds so like casual. You're like yeah, I guess I am a psychic. So like did you as a kid? Were your parents like, oh, like Michael has these gifts or abilities or anything like that, or was it just like oh?

Speaker 3: 7:41

no, oh no, and that's actually a big part of my like message. I don't know. Having human experience, your spirit first, yeah, all I have to teach you to do is to get out of your thinking mind and your rational thinking mind, and the more I can get you out of that, the more access you have to more of what you already are. So we already all have this ability. It's nothing special that I do. I just have happened to spend 18 years doing it.

Speaker 2: 8:22

I think I just in the past like week, I know I said I always say I'm very heady I just in the past week realized how much I live in my head and how much of a problem that is.

Speaker 1: 8:36

I saw you start smirking when he said thinking, thinking, mind yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:41

Okay. So when you had that initial, you did that like demonstration, had that initial uh mediumship, like uh experience, and that came through for you. How did that come through for you?

Speaker 3: 8:51

um, so how it came to me. So, basically, we had done like a little meditation and we were like all ready to work and, uh, my teacher barbara, was like okay, you know, it's your turn to stand up and give a message. And so I, when I stood up, I sort of felt this like kind of zeroing in, because all she told me to do was just like trust whatever's coming to you and just say it. I was like okay, and so I sort of felt this like this sort of like zero. You know, like when you I think a good way to describe it is if you're in like a loud restaurant and you're having a deep conversation with someone, yeah, and it feels like it's zeroing in on just you and that person, and there's all this other background noise, but it's just that that's sort of how it felt is kind of like the zeroing in. And then, all of a sudden, there was a person there, like you know, when someone's standing next to you, that was the way that it felt.

Speaker 3: 9:41

So someone was there and I was like, oh, this is a guy and he says his name is Jorge and it was. He says that he was, because I'm just hearing this. I mean it was mostly clear audience really, and which means hearing. For those of you who don't know, and you know, I just heard his name is Jorge and he says he was your best friend and he says that he died in an accident, in a motorcycle accident, and this whole time she's going yes, yes, yes, and that you know, and that he, uh, in March something was his birthday, and she was like, yes, and you know, like it was just literally that it was just relaying the information as it was coming to me now, which every reading of mine was clearaudient, like that, and just everything. Yeah, in that instance it was, I would say it was mostly clairaudient.

Speaker 1: 10:30

Was it his voice or your voice, where you were hearing that Kind of neither?

Speaker 3: 10:35

Oh, wow, yeah, neither. So it's interesting because it was it wasn't so much the objective clairaudience where, where it sort of sounds like it's outside of you, yeah, it was sort of like an inner clear audience where it sort of just feels like the sound is there but it's not recognizable to whom it belongs, sure oh interesting yeah. So I don't know if that was his voice or just I don't know. It's a. It's a weird thing when you try to describe, you know, perception.

Speaker 2: 11:04

Yeah, because I feel like unless you've had the experience, it's sometimes hard to put it into words, you know yeah, I would imagine that's hard to describe so then you had, you tried the scientific method, this thing, do it again, didn't work, yeah, um, so I've heard that, like especially during development, that your abilities can kind of come in waves, or was it something like that, or is it more along the lines of like you had to get into that frame of mind to get that extreme focus again?

Speaker 3: 11:44

you know, a teacher of this topic for many, many years now, it's very easy for me to tell my past self exactly what was going on and why it didn't work. So the reason it wasn't working is the first time I did it, I had no expectations, I had no attachment to the outcome, I had nothing to compare it to. I was very neutral and ultimately, in mediumship, to do it well, you need to learn to be neutral and indifferent about the outcome. So essentially, I had tension because now I was trying, and trying is the antithesis to any mediumistic or psychic awareness. If you're trying to make it happen, you will block yourself. And that's why most people struggle with mediumistic or psychic awareness is that they try to do it.

Speaker 3: 12:29

And uh, because mediumship and psychic awareness are the opposite of how you do everything else in your life. Everything else in your life, it's do it, make it happen, you know, take action, etc. Mediumship and psychic awareness to perceive things. You have to learn to do the exact opposite of that. How do I do nothing? How do I do less? The more that I learn how to do nothing, the more perceptive and receptive I become, and then I'm able to become aware of whatever is present, so we're never taught in our world today really how to become passive and receptive.

Speaker 3: 13:07

Yeah not at all, and so that's why people don't do this. You know you don't see as many people doing. This is because our whole society is built around action, doing, thinking, capitalism yeah, yeah so this is teaching you the exact opposite.

Speaker 3: 13:28

How do I become still quiet, passive, receptive, and I think it's hard for people to understand, or at least maybe accept the idea that, like, doing less will actually give you more, and that's what people don't really have the concept of, and that's something that we teach you know at our, at our school, and all of that.

Speaker 1: 13:47

So, yeah, what's like the best way someone could turn off the thinking mind like is it, what is it?

Speaker 2: 13:55

yeah, so the secret what we've been waiting for exactly, um.

Speaker 3: 14:08

So here's the thing. It's not that you have to learn to turn off your thinking mind.

Speaker 3: 14:12

Your thinking mind is going to be there yeah learning how to quiet it a little bit more so that you can become receptive to certain things. So, um, it's sort of a series of things that I teach people to, to how to do it, so, kind of the first step with it all is learning how to um, become as still as you can, so, um, learning how to become as still as you can, so learning how to quiet your thinking mind, happens through recognizing, first of all, what that state feels like. So I actually use clairsentient sensations as a marker of passivity. So what does that mean? It means when I'm teaching a student how to know oh, now you're becoming energetically sensitive. Right, that's the first step. You have to become energetically sensitive. We call it attunement.

Speaker 3: 15:09

There's physical sensations that accompany that state of awareness that let you know you're getting there. For example, tingling, buzzing, thickness in the atmosphere, pressure on you. Those sensations like when you're meditating or things like that tell you, ooh, I'm starting to become energetically sensitive. Because what's happening is normally your brain or your awareness, I guess, guess is really focused on like the physical right, like it's in this little body. What happens is, as I start to quiet and calm my awareness, there's sort of like an iris that begins to dilate so that now my awareness is including more of myself. So when I can start to quiet and calm my mind which takes time, many people takes like 10 minutes, 15 minutes in the beginning just get past that, you know your brain's just going. Once that starts to happen, then you move into this other state of awareness where you start to kind of open and relax. When you start to relax and you will find your awareness starts to shift and you start to get these sensations that come with it, tingling in your hands, pressure on your shoulders, thickness around your face. It's going to feel different for everybody, but you start to feel these sensations. As soon as you start to focus or try, those sensations go away.

Speaker 3: 16:32

So we use those sensations as a means of teaching people how to recognize oh, I'm in that state and what did I do to get into that state? What in my awareness did I have to let go of or not focus on or whatever to enter into that sensitive state? So that's sort of step one. That's step one of kind of learning-learning to recognize that I'm even there. Because if you don't know where you're going, you're sort of just like just floating around. But if you have something that's sort of objective that you can't fake like I can't fake sensations to start happening right, I have to get a headspace that allows those things to happen, and it's actually from that headspace that we begin into any of the other works. We call this attunement. So you're tuning your awareness from your normal thinking mind into a sensitive state that makes sense that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1: 17:26

Yeah, and like I was just, I told you I was doing this, like I'm doing this meditation challenge. I was just meditating, like last night, and I understand the feeling that you're talking about the like your sensitivity changes a little buzzy yeah, yeah, yeah sickness, pressure, any of those sensations? The second, I start becoming aware of it. It goes away, like you said, and it's like a matter of just letting it continue right also let's be honest here.

Speaker 2: 18:00

Uh, you were in the family room and I was doing I was doing dishes there's been other times. Okay, yes, I was doing dishes and at some point she took off her headphones and said can you stop making so much noise?

Speaker 3: 18:13

as a. Actually, what I will say is you should actually thank him because it's better, yeah, to train with sound and noise and distractions than to train yourself in silence, because then you will learn it actually can be a really helpful thing to keep your awareness sensitive. So what you do when you have distractions like that is you tell yourself you prime your brain. Every time I hear frank smashing dishes and banging things around, it's going to be my reminder to return to the breath yeah, so you actually use it as a helpful tool, as an inducer of your meditative state, rather than a distraction, that's great.

Speaker 1: 18:52

Thank you, frank. Thank you, I really. I I was thinking like this is I gotta just like stop, and then, and then, every so often, yeah, like a little sound would like like startle me, but yeah, I was.

Speaker 2: 19:07

Thank you for that. I was trying to be quiet. I had like a squeaky shoe too. I was just trying to like sneak around her and it just wasn't working. This is all funny, too, because, like, whenever I used to be able to achieve and I'm I'm trying starting to remember how to do it again I used to be able to achieve very like deep levels of meditation to where, like, the world around me would disappear. It was almost like I put earplugs in and it was very cool. Um, that was in my early 20s, before I learned to be even more distracted by everything. Now, when I'm like, when I'm like, oh, you know, I'll go into a meditative state for a second, I'm like, oh, here it is. I feel that openness, that expansion. Like you know, you have your eyes closed and you, you feel like there's, you're in a space suddenly and now I go. Now I go aha, this is it Like time to focus even harder and make this happen, and like it ruins everything.

Speaker 3: 19:59

Yeah, I love that example because that's what 99% of people do in the very beginning yeah, start to get somewhere, and then they go time to do no, no, no, you actually do the exact opposite. Keep that same level of openness. Whatever got you there is what you want to maintain, and then let go more. Yeah. So one of the best things you can learn to do is notice, accept, let it go and do less. Notice, accept, let it go and do less. So anything that you experience while you're in that state, you notice it. So, okay, I can feel that I've entered into this space. I accept that that's now happening, and because that's happening, I can now let go and do even less, pay less attention to it.

Speaker 3: 20:46

And what that does is it teaches your brain from going into what I call like grabbing, which is whatever our attention goes to. That's where our energy and everything else is going to flow to. Yeah, so our attention goes on to something. We're grabbing on to it and we're going what is this thing? It's time to do the thing now, let's. Yeah. What we need to learn to do instead is to never grab any part of the experience. We let it pass through us. It doesn't do anything. We just we notice it, we accept it, we let it go and we relax so that we can become aware of the next thing that's going to change in our experience.

Speaker 1: 21:26

How do I feel like I have a little underlying like fear almost when I feel that so is it just practice that like lets you allows yourself to let go?

Speaker 3: 21:41

so one thing that I always do when people have fears ask what are you afraid of?

Speaker 2: 21:46

yeah, what are you afraid of?

Speaker 1: 21:47

I, I, I don't know. I think it must be like losing control or something it must be a control thing.

Speaker 3: 21:55

Well, the nice thing about that is that you'll never get further than you're willing to let go right. So it's never going to like override you and be like you've finally passed this date and now we take you on this journey like it's not gonna happen. Like that, yeah, it's only go as far as you'll allow it. And so that sense of tension, um, will always keep you to a certain point until you slowly, over time, let each little finger go of control, yeah, and then it'll take that much further. So anyone who kind of has a fear of getting lost or something opening they can't close, or sort of getting sort of sucked into an experience, or who knows what's going to happen, you'll never have that experience because you're in control. So you have to let go little by little, little by little, so you only go as far as you're comfortable with, and over time and repeated exposure, eventually you realize, oh, this is safe, I have nothing to fear. And slowly but surely you'll get further and further down the road and then you'll actually have pretty amazing experiences.

Speaker 3: 22:58

One thing I always try to tell people is that there's nothing to fear from the spirit world. There's nothing to fear from any of these experiences. That would be like being afraid of going to sleep, essentially Right. All you're doing is just moving through these states of awareness that we naturally pass through in when we're going to sleep and things like that. The only difference is that you have awareness of these shifts and transitions, yeah, and so there's no way you're going to go. You're already connected to the spirit world. You're already in the spirit world right now. There's a part of you that exists there all the time, so you're just experiencing more of what you already are. You're never going into something that is new or crazy or, you know, scary you have to be worried about like getting lost or anything like that. So I always try to kind of calm people's fears around that. You're just experiencing what is already there.

Speaker 3: 23:47

The only difference is now I have awareness of it yeah rather than better than before, where I'm just not aware of it.

Speaker 1: 23:55

I love that. Thank you, that's really helpful.

Speaker 2: 23:59

So it's a control thing.

Speaker 1: 24:00

I think so. I mean, when I think about like I don't know, anytime someone's like have you tried mushrooms? I'm like not in like a big experience way because I'm scared, I know it's like I'm afraid, afraid of something. I think it's control. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3: 24:20

I got that thing around drugs and things like that. Like I have the same sort of fear, meditation and this sort of thing, not at all. I mean I can let spirit come in and do whatever the hell they want yeah come bless me let me slip and float into the sky. That doesn't happen, by the way so I think it's.

Speaker 1: 24:44

I think it's it's the trauma that I'm still we're still we're doing a lot of since we started this whole journey. We're doing a lot of like trauma healing and inner child stuff, and I know some of that is from early childhood not having control of my situation or something. I think that's probably what it is.

Speaker 3: 25:03

One of the most important things you can do, developing any of these things is personal development as well.

Speaker 1: 25:08

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:09

It can be an incredible psychic and also be a very let's use words nicely that's okay, giant.

Speaker 2: 25:17

Nicely, that's okay, giant asshole.

Speaker 3: 25:19

That's okay, you said it really well. As I was going to say, a person who requires a lot of personal growth.

Speaker 1: 25:27

Wow, that's very kind and I think we all do.

Speaker 3: 25:31

We all have our stuff. And especially if you grew up in our generation, I'm sure you guys are about my same age, 21,. Yeah, yeah, exactly the same age.

Speaker 2: 25:41

Just turned.

Speaker 3: 25:45

It's like yes, gen Z.

Speaker 1: 25:49

But yeah, yeah, yeah, we keep hearing that too, which is just like anytime we try to go a step further, it's like, oh, yep, well, this is why I can't get further at this point, because I need to go back here and do some healing let go, let go of control, let go of fear.

Speaker 2: 26:08

Yeah, um, let me ask you this when, so for just so we can keep an eye out for it when Lauren and I are able to achieve like the next level of expanding our awareness, what would be like the next thing that we could possibly experience? Or is that like just very unique per person?

Speaker 3: 26:30

Yeah Well, where are you now?

Speaker 1: 26:35

Meditation. I learned Reiki, so that's helped me like just open up more. Yeah, for me it's been opening my awareness through meditation.

Speaker 2: 26:46

I think I'm stuck on. So in my 20s I was able to actually forcefully astral project, which was super cool, amazing, yeah yeah, amazing, yeah yeah. And I was too scared because I didn't know what I know now. And now I want to like get to that again, and it was always just through like deep meditation. I can like during the day, I'd be like I'm going to go give it a shot I'd lay down for 20 minutes and then I'd like you know it was an intense experience cause I'd have shadow people come around me which were probably just my spirit guides and I was afraid of my best friends, basically. But, yeah, like I, like man, I'm dying to like get back to a point where I can do that again. It was happening so naturally like, and to the point where it was happening even when I didn't want to do it, which is, I think, when it felt kind of invasive and I was like I just has to stop.

Speaker 2: 27:37

So, honestly, like my, I think our biggest hangup you're doing much better than I am at this point Our biggest hangup is just like finding time to set some time aside to like do that, that quiet time, cause it does take a little bit of time. So I think for the most part you know, because we got kids, we tend to be pretty busy. I think we're just trying to be like more, more integrate like a lot of the lessons into our daily, very lucid lives of like spirit is around all the time Like we have a decision to make, let's like trust ourselves, let's let's ask for help. We definitely acknowledge the unseen world around us but, like man, it would be cool if it was just a little more seen. That's. That's where we're at. I love that yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 28:22

So I I would say, um, I mean, reiki is helpful in that it's a. Any kind of healing work is really helpful because of the passivity of it. It's often people who start to have mediumistic awareness have been doing Reiki or some sort of energy healing first, because what they're doing is going okay, I'm just letting this energy pass through me. So they're developing passivity where they're not trying to make something happen, they're not controlling it. All that sort of thing allows their awareness to be open to there's no pressure on achievement or getting a message or be contacting a spirit, and that openness and that passivity is actually perfect for becoming aware of presence and spirit and all that sort of thing. So continue to practice it and continue to sort of just like practice that passivity of just letting the energy do what it's going to do yeah that's really a key, key concept of it.

Speaker 3: 29:16

What you're, what you're doing with rank is, um, what we call expectation. So there's there's three sources of tension. So mediumship works and psychic awareness works best when you don't have tension. Mediumship, um, and psychic awareness work when you're free, relaxed, surrendered, indifferent about the outcome. So the more that you don't give a crap about what the hell's about to happen, better off it's going to work. So that's why you'll often see people have a natural psychic or mediumistic awareness but they're just kind of going throughout their day not really paying attention to any one thing, and then suddenly they have an awareness or knowing of who's going to call or something's wrong with someone, et cetera. There's no tension in it. That's the natural way of developing or not developing, but your intuition to work right. Unnatural thing is say, do it right now, and that's what requires development is to learn how do I get into that state on command. So one of the three core principles of this that I've kind of put together is the sources of tension. So basically, all tension you're going to experience and challenge in your mediumship or psychic awareness will be stemming from one of these three areas.

Speaker 3: 30:33

Number one desire. The desire is desire for an outcome, desire to get it right, the desire to do well, desire to have xyz happen. That creates tension. You can feel that right, like if you're sitting there trying to and you're like, oh, I want to get into the passive state, like why, you can feel that tension in you, um, as you're doing that desire for an outcome. I mean this is very common people start to try to read other people. They'll feel that sense of tension, um, happening.

Speaker 3: 31:03

So desire is number one, um, distraction is number two. So that's distraction of your own thoughts. It's actually, if you're going to read someone, either your biases about who this person is or what they've experienced based off of race, gender, orientation, presentation, whatever it is. Also, distraction can be the way that your sitter responds. Right. So if your sitter is going, you know, sitting there with his arm crossed and like kind of frowning and being like sure, yeah, that might make you feel a sense of tension. Versus if someone's like, oh, my god, that's my mom very effusive, yeah, that maybe makes it feel a little bit easier right so that is a source of tension.

Speaker 3: 31:44

You can't let that also get to you. And lastly, is expectation. Expectation is tension that stems from it should look, feel or be a certain way, because it either was that before or it's my belief that it should look or feel or be a certain way.

Speaker 2: 32:04

Whoops.

Speaker 3: 32:05

Yeah, exactly, and so that tension will absolutely inhibit it. So there's solutions to all of these things. So, for desire, the solution is learn to become indifferent about the outcome. So you have to learn how to not care about what's going to happen next. So that obviously takes time and practice to get there.

Speaker 3: 32:28

Distraction is what we call the 90-10 rule. Especially if you're doing a reading for someone, 90% of your attention is on the spirit world, 10% on the person in front of you. So you really keep your focus on that instead of like the way that they're reacting. Yeah, also treat every reading or every person that you read like they're adopted. So you just never assume anything about anyone. Just imagine that everybody's adopted and just because they look, feel or be, express themselves in a certain way, that has no barrier on who they are right or their lived experience. So the more you can do that the better. Oh, interesting expectation would be, um, to treat every experience you have like it's the first time every time. So each experience, enter it into it as if you've never had an experience before you. Basically, I like to say you get your little etch-a-sketch after every experience and you shake your little etch-a-sketch brain and you just erase. For my Gen Z people that's a little toy and you just erase.

Speaker 3: 33:32

For my Gen Z people that's a little toy. Do you take your little brain and you just shake it? Shake it, shake it and delete everything you experience. And then the next time you come to the experience whether it's meditation, whether it's reading, whether it's anything you let go of everything that came before. You just are present with. Okay, I'm just here now in this experience and let it unfold from there.

Speaker 2: 33:53

Do you think that was your biggest hurdle to have when you had a successful first first attempt versus, like your other attempts?

Speaker 3: 34:02

All, all of desire, distraction and expectation were all involved. Got it? But yes, I should a hundred percent, because last time I just stood up and it was there. Yeah Well, I'm searching Now, I'm reaching, now, I'm trying, now I'm efforting to make that happen, because it's not there. What I didn't know is I needed to relax, I needed to surrender, I needed to wait until I could feel that little shift, and that will only come if I'm not actively trying to get something. That's fantastic.

Speaker 1: 34:34

I'm seeing little light bulbs go off left and right when we're silent, it's just like so much to digest, that is so good but it's also not.

Speaker 2: 34:46

It's just like duh like why didn't I get this earlier? Like, of course, he's been doing this for 18 years and he teaches it, he's boiled it down to like very great bullet points yeah, I need the bullet points. Yeah, I wrote a book on the thing.

Speaker 3: 35:06

What's your book? Spirit speaks. That's a step-by-step guide to God. What's the long ass thing at the end of it?

Speaker 2: 35:16

Genuine spiritual communication or something like that Do publishers and their subtitles and say come on.

Speaker 3: 35:21

I know it's Spirit. Speaks Michael Mayo, that's all you got to type in it's yours, so yeah, no, I'm very, very proud of my book because that's what I wrote it for people to. If I was like, they're like, how do I?

Speaker 1: 35:37

do this.

Speaker 3: 35:37

I just go here, you go yeah, all the things you need to know to be able to make a link, and uh, and then some. So, and the other thing is, is what? What we teach at oak bridge, which is my online school, um, with megan, lisa. Um, what I teach what we teach at Oak Bridge, which is my online school, with Megan and Lisa. What I teach what we teach is especially in our foundation courses and in that book. We don't teach you like tips and tricks of how to do these things. What we're teaching you is foundational concepts that apply to any spiritual work you do going forward. So it doesn't matter whether you're doing healing, psychic trance, mediumship, whatever the hell you're doing with your spiritual work. These principles and concepts apply across the board because they are universal. They are what inhibits us from accessing more of what we already are. So it's not like look up and to the right and then you'll get that person's name are, um. So it's not like look up and to the right and then you'll get that person's name.

Speaker 1: 36:34

No, it's, it's do people teach like that?

Speaker 3: 36:37

people teach it.

Speaker 1: 36:38

No, no oh my god, it's awful.

Speaker 3: 36:41

It's so specific, that's so weird I know, I know, and so it's about us teaching you how to. What are the? That's? That's kind of my brain. I think. If I have a gift of anything, it's taking some sort of non-specific concepts and putting it into like a this, then this, then this, then it's like organizing these sort of things that are hard to comprehend and explaining it in a lay way that people can understand. I I think that's my a gift of mine that I have. Thanks, adhd.

Speaker 1: 37:15

Like I appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 37:16

Those are helpful in the end, but you are a boy with difficult in school. Yeah, I think I had to learn how to understand things from like a different angle and that's really benefited me and being able to teach people this topic. So I'm like I'm like you guys need to just come to class, you guys need to. I read through.

Speaker 1: 37:34

Yeah, I read through the the description, I was like we had Megan on the podcast. And then I was like, and who is Michael Mayo? And I found your class and I was like this seems amazing. It's just at the same time as my Reiki mentorship program. Oh, that's right, dang it.

Speaker 3: 37:55

So once that's over, I'm coming.

Speaker 1: 37:58

I'm probably going to come and learn from you guys, because it seems like even just the description. I was like this sounds like so well put together. Yeah, so good job, thank you.

Speaker 3: 38:12

I don't want to toot my own horn, and maybe I am tooting my own horn.

Speaker 3: 38:19

Toot toot. I do think that we offer probably one of the best programs out there and I and I I say that because that's what people tell us, but also because the results like our students do really well and they grow a lot. Now with anything with all of this sort of learning, like it's about what you put into it and we're saying like, sit in the power every day and people don't do that, then they start falling behind and then you know all that sort of thing sort of happens. So really, your mediumship, psychic development, is about what you put into it. So so if you know Frank saying, you know you're really good at setting aside time, if you want to develop, you have to make that a priority. You have to go okay, I'm going to set aside 15 minutes in the morning, 15 minutes at night, or set aside 30 minutes and just do it. You have to put something into it to get something out of it.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Megan also mentioned sitting in the power, and I don't. What is that?

Speaker 3: 39:15

Yeah, so sitting in the power is a meditative practice that we teach. That helps you to cultivate many things. So, number one well, let me explain what it is. First.

Speaker 3: 39:27

What you do is you're essentially taking your awareness, you're kind of going inward first, so you're feeling into that divine spark within you, that that central part of your being, as we like to call it, um, where sort of like, if you imagine, where does your soul reside, so to speak?

Speaker 3: 39:43

That's where you take your attention and what you do is you bring your awareness there, sort of like a flashlight.

Speaker 3: 39:49

You don't change anything, you're not trying to do anything, but your, your awareness there, sort of like a flashlight. You don't change anything, you're not trying to do anything, but your awareness acts like a flashlight, it illuminates something wherever you direct it. So you bring your awareness to that central part of you and then you relax, you let go and you soften, and the goal is, what happens is you'll eventually feel a little bit of a stirring. When you feel that stirring, you're just intending that, when it's ready, that energy might begin to open and expand to fill the body, and then we allow that energy to move just beyond the body and then a little bit further and a little bit further, until that energy is sort of like arm's length or even filling the room in which you're sitting in. It's not a visual thing, it's a felt thing. So I don't know if if you've ever done any meditation where you start to feel kind of like fatter or you start to feel thick or like you're sitting in a bed.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Listen, I don't need a meditation to feel fatter right now. I need to work out.

Speaker 3: 40:47

So in meditation you can feel like you're in this sort of like egg, or you feel like you're like in this little dome, or you start to feel like there's this extension of yourself beyond the physical body. Yeah, is that sense of expansion outside of your physical self? And then what you do is we. This is where it sort of turns into sitting in the power. That's just more becoming a sensitive and attuning. What becomes.

Speaker 3: 41:16

Sitting in the power is where we offer this intent to. We use sort of this white light or this light as a vehicle to like surround your being, lift you into this higher state in your awareness and move you into this still quiet place that exists somewhere in the ether still quiet place that exists somewhere in the ether. And as you move into that still quiet place, that's where you rest. So you sort of just be in the stillness, be in the quiet. And from that state we offer that time to the spirit world and say, hey, I'm just here for you to develop me. This is your time. I'm just here to commune and be still, do whatever is needed for me right now, and that's the meaning for my development. I'm a strong believer that it's the spirit world that actually develops our awareness. And so if I hand over the time to them to say, hey, I'm just here to connect and be still and you take care of the rest, that actually offers an opportunity for developing. So that's my sort of way of describing what sitting in the power is or how to do it. Rather, the benefits are number one it helps you to learn to quiet and still your thinking mind. Number two helps you to become passive and receptive, so learning how to sense and feel energy and the energy you're developing your placentas, essentially. Number three gives the spirit world a chance to develop you. And number four, it is every time that you kind of sit with the spirit world like that, you're banking energy for the future.

Speaker 3: 42:53

So every time that I open my energy and my power right, I'm open and I can feel that sort of fatness around me or whatever Then I offer and invite the spirit world to step in and draw near.

Speaker 3: 43:06

This is my power. And then their power coming together right, as I feel their power, as they come and sit and chill with me, what that does is that they're leaving more energy with me than when we started. Oh, wow. So every time I give the spirit world a chance to blend and draw close. They're actually it's almost like a perfume bottle. Every time you pour different perfume into this bottle, it's leaving a little residue or a little bit of a resonance of whatever that scent was before. This is the same idea. It's like every time that they draw near, they're leaving just a little bit more power and energy, a little bit more power and energy, and then that we have our own little energetic backpack that then begins to build up and grow, and so that when I need to connect with the spirit world, I have all of this extra power and energy to maintain the strength.

Speaker 2: 44:02

While you were describing the process of sitting in the power, I turned inward myself real quick just to give it a shot, to see a little preview. I turned inward myself real quick just to give it a shot to see, like that, you know, a little preview. And I did notice that, like what it did immediately was take me away from my stupid busy mind and I was like, oh okay, like now I'm sitting here and sensing more than anything, and even while you're talking about it, I felt an expansion and I felt a little tingly.

Speaker 3: 44:31

Hey, wow, yeah, yeah, Just in the last like it's almost like the things I'm telling you guys work Jeez.

Speaker 2: 44:39

You should write a book, you should be a teacher Like this is why they pay me the big bucks.

Speaker 1: 44:48

So much like practical advice.

Speaker 3: 44:54

That is is that is my whole brand grounded, practical, like evidence-based. That's my whole thing yeah, so great I actually have um the meditation on my website so, okay, I was going to ask you. Oh yeah, meeting michael mayocomcom. You can just download it there it's under meditations and do the 30 minute one is what I would recommend.

Speaker 1: 45:16

That's going to be one of my meditations during this challenge. Yay, yay, thank you for reviewing.

Speaker 2: 45:24

I have so many questions, but we've already been talking for like an hour, so I feel like I should stop. That's not even questions.

Speaker 3: 45:31

I'm chilling, I'm good.

Speaker 1: 45:32

Yeah, I feel like we could talk to him forever.

Speaker 2: 45:37

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're taking your class.

Speaker 3: 45:40

Oh my God, it'd be so fun to have you guys there.

Speaker 2: 45:43

I mean just the way you work with me and Megan.

Speaker 1: 45:47

Yeah, what a dream team.

Speaker 2: 45:48

Yeah, and, by the way, like Megan, like I can tell she didn't want to toot your horn too much too, but like I was like, oh, this you want to say more about Mr Mayo here.

Speaker 1: 46:00

I mean it's literally why I was like who is he and what, and we need him on our show. She was very like we've become best friends since then and all this stuff. That's amazing.

Speaker 3: 46:15

Megan is I, I would, I guess I'll say that this way megan is my first student who I took from nothing, meaning like could not do anything, at least not aware, like not a developed way anyway, to fully like working medium, fully fledged, and I am, amazing, so deeply proud of everything she's accomplished and I can't take credit for that. It's all her, that's awesome.

Speaker 3: 46:40

Putting in the energy. Putting in, I mean she came to every class, every workshop, everything. She would travel with me to the England to study at Arthur Finley college. She worked with the same teachers. I mean she put in the time and energy and she's amazing. Like I'm so deeply, deeply proud of her.

Speaker 3: 46:58

So to have her then now work with me and teach with me and do all these sorts of things, it's amazing. It's wonderful and she knows her stuff and she's very smart and experienced with everything. So I know maybe she was hesitant to, but look, I'm going to just play a whole damn band for her. She's done. She's just done such a good thing and I'm very, very proud of her. And she's not the only student that we have like that. We have other students that have grown into these freaking, phenomenal mediums who, when I first got them, couldn't do anything. Yeah, Couldn't do a single darn thing. So this is why we're such big people like big on dispelling so many of these like ideas around specialness, around mediumship or the people or like there's all these other things.

Speaker 3: 47:47

I'm just like, it's just not true, like, yeah, anyone can you just have to put in the time and the energy and just have the right teaching? Because what happens is that you get regurgitated information. Like someone who doesn't really understand how to do mediumship repeats the same thing that they were taught, and then that person repeats what they were taught and then you just really subpar mediumship, really yucky telephone for medium.

Speaker 1: 48:13

Yeah, exactly, and it's.

Speaker 3: 48:15

It's not coming from their experience, it's coming from the regurgitation of of things and that's the thing. It's a problem with mediumship today, and probably always, to be honest but sure, where people are in such a rush to have a podcast, to have a youtube channel, to be the medium and be famous and all these sorts of things, and they don't give it time to develop. I didn't do public work for like five years into my, into my development yeah, that's interesting why? Because you, I wanted to make sure it was freaking good.

Speaker 2: 48:48

Yeah, that it was going to be, you know, actually genuine, and some people come out too early, you know sure yeah and I don't know, I don't know if the listeners can pick up on this, but like, like you, even the way you're, your lack of ego is, I was going to say, tangible, but it's I can't tangent. So, like I, I appreciate that so deeply because it really seems like you are, um, like exactly what you're saying, the same thing that you're complaining about with people who come out too early.

Speaker 2: 49:22

They're like, oh, I figured it out, like, and that that yeah like just is a part of ego, and you're like here's the most effective way to get to what works for you, and, and, and. It's like the basics, and, and, but also like probably into advanced stuff that you haven't shared with us, which I get.

Speaker 1: 49:42

We're not learning how to just like not think about our meditation or yeah, not like not not start meditating.

Speaker 2: 49:49

And then, ooh, I feel something, feel more. Yeah, not like not not start meditating. And then, oh, I feel something, feel more. But yeah, the like lack of ego is like really I I sense where you're coming from and I think that's huge.

Speaker 3: 50:01

So I I appreciate your work, sir I appreciate that and you know I want to be totally transparent. That's not always been that way sure um, that I have what appears to be a lack of ego is because I've done this long enough and I've seen. I went through that stage right like to me. That's a stage in one's development where they have enough information to be dangerous and I went through that and I thankfully had a teacher who knocked my fucking legs out from under me and was like was like, hey, bring your ass back down to earth, right?

Speaker 3: 50:38

I mean because, like I said in the beginning, when you have people telling you you're amazing, you're wonderful and you're gifted and you're all the things, yeah, it's perfect to the ego, they're like aphrodisiac. I've been there so I know what it's like. I've, I've had that time period in my life and then you recognize, wow, if it weren't for the spirit world, I wouldn't be able to do any of these things. So actually it's a partnership and it's me. What I'm good at is getting out of the way, or at least I try to be. What I'm good at is getting out of the way. That's the the job of the medium. It's not to be amazing, it's not to provide a crazy evidence. The job of the medium is to be that a medium through which something passes, not where something comes from. And you'll notice very quickly in the kind of information that comes through from people, if people are still too entrenched with I'm the one doing this. Yeah, still too entrenched with I'm the one doing this?

Speaker 1: 51:36

yeah, me, you'll see it, because they'll talk about just oh my god, I could go on for a while I want to hear wait, how can? Because I I'm like a layman when it comes to the, the fraudulent people like what's like the worst case.

Speaker 3: 51:50

I mean, I know people say like you've got a curse or like you're gonna die when you're, you know, 45 but get hit by a bus or whatever.

Speaker 1: 52:00

But what else? Like? What is another example of like oh boy, you're full of shit asking a lot of questions, so that's a big one.

Speaker 3: 52:11

So the way that we teach and develop our students in is basically all that the sitter can ever say is yes, no, I don't know or I need more information. That's all they should ever have to say. Oh, they shouldn't provide information. So you'll see on on tv and things like that. People will will be like who's john? Or they'll say you know what's with the, what's with the elephant ring or whatever you know, like something like that, and then the sitter goes oh well, that's explains it.

Speaker 3: 52:45

And then the meeting goes oh yes, because that's what I was getting, yeah, I was getting this, and and they just like validate-da, and they just validate their experience after this person's already given everything. Now, that's not necessarily fraud per se, but it's showing you underdeveloped mediumship, interesting or, as I like to call it, lazy mediumship. Because you're going here's my stimulus, it's this thing, the elephant ring, or whatever, and then that's where you're stopping. You're just going here's this, what does that mean? And then they go and what you should be doing is going here's this elephant ring, and what they're showing me is that this is related to the person in spirit. This would have been something that was passed to you, this is something that was given to you on the 14th birthday, right, like it should unfold into more stimulus. So, elephant ring, birthday gift, right, like it should keep going.

Speaker 3: 53:40

But what people are taught? Because American mediumship, it's sort of an American style of mediumship, which is right they tend to get the first stimulus and then go tell me everything. And then, oh yeah, cause I was also getting da, da, da, da, it's a confidence thing, I was going to say is that insecurity?

Speaker 2: 53:55

Because it sounds like insecurity.

Speaker 3: 53:57

Well, and this is why you have so many people who think they can do mediumship already, because they're like well, I can do the thing that I just saw on TV, where I just ask a bunch of questions and say this is what I'm getting and now ask you a question. That's not mediumship, at least in my opinion. Mediumship is here's this information and here's this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this follows. All of that makes sense to you. Yes, great, because I'm also getting right. Like that's what genuine mediumship is. If you see some of the most amazing mediums that we have today, that's how they work. They give you the information. All you have to do yes, I can understand that. That's really all you have to say not needing validation.

Speaker 3: 54:34

Yeah, that's very interesting you do, because you're still getting the yes, it's just not getting it so soon right right because so much more information that's there, and if you're constantly letting your sitter speak and tell you everything, what's happening is, your brain is going to get involved, like I don't want my sitter saying anything except for yes, no, I don't know any more information, because as soon as they start to say something, my brain's going to start to kick in and go like well then, that must be connected to this and that must be I don't want that, just making sure yeah, connected to what I'm getting right, right, right.

Speaker 2: 55:12

You're, you're. You're a channel, you're not a detective, exactly okay, dude, thank you so much for chatting with us. Give everybody your plugs, tell us where they can find you and find your work and we'll also link it in our description.

Speaker 3: 55:27

But yeah, so, uh, everything. All social medias are medium michael mayo and um. Also, you can work with us at oakbridgeinstituteorg, which is our online school for mediumistic and psychic development. Um, and I think that's everything. Yeah, if you want to work with me for private mentoring, you can do so at medium michael mayocom. Uh, if you want to do readings, you can do so at the same spot and, yeah, instagram, tiktok, youtube all medium michael mayo please come back oh yeah, I can tell you're such a good teacher, it's so so cool.

Speaker 2: 56:07

yeah, I'm more than just slightly interested in joining one of your classes.

Speaker 3: 56:10

Yeah, so it'd be so fun Like you guys have such I love your, I love your energy together. You guys have such a just laid back, easy, just interesting, interested. It's easy to work with you guys oh man, thank you. I'm happy to come back on this podcast again, cool.

Speaker 1: 56:29

Yes.

Speaker 3: 56:30

You guys are so fun Thanks man, thank you Thanks.

Speaker 2: 56:33

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