041: Remembering your Superpower // with Taylor Paige

Join us as we chat with Taylor Paige, an intuitive and angel reader, who turned her childhood fears into gifts. From sensing presences as a child to overcoming an abusive relationship, Taylor’s journey of reclaiming her intuitive abilities at 25 is not just inspiring but transformative. Her story offers a raw and honest look at how turning inward can lead to profound external changes.

We explore the societal and epigenetic roots of our fears, especially those that impact women, and how Taylor navigated from a place of fear to one of empowerment. This episode delves into the resistance many of us feel toward embracing our intuitive abilities, mainly due to societal fears surrounding death and the unknown. Taylor's reflections on death and earthly suffering provide a refreshing perspective that could change how we view our own spiritual growth and fears. Learn how she connects with angels through high vibrational states and the personal practices she uses to elevate joy, gratitude, and love in her life.

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Chapters

• 0:01 Uncovering the Gift
• 12:03 Navigating Fear and Intuition Reclamation
• 21:18 Unleashing Claircognizance and Mediumship
• 34:22 Connecting With Angels Through High Vibration
• 39:16 Exploring Psychic Senses Together
• 45:08 Healing the Heart for Spiritual Connection
• 56:54 Embracing Grace Through Spiritual Growth

Transcript

Lauren: 0:01

Hiya pals. In this episode we chatted with Taylor Page, an intuitive, an angel reader and host of the podcast Magic Hour. We talked about how she started connecting to angels and then developed her mediumship, and her story is just really cool, and so is she. I'm your host, lauren Leon.

Frank: 0:20

And I'm Frank.

Lauren: 0:21

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. This is episode 41 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging.

Frank: 0:53

Every day Another day, day another dollar another day, another.

Lauren: 0:55

Where's my dollar, hi friends what's up everybody? Hey, frank yes you feeling good today? Yes, that sounded a little questionable.

Frank: 1:06

Well, you know, I don't like to lie, and it's not today, it is. It is nine o'clock the day before we publish the podcast, so so you're. So. Am I feeling good tonight? Yeah, I'm feeling great tonight.

Lauren: 1:21

Yeah.

Frank: 1:21

Today was a day.

Lauren: 1:22

OK, but so otherwise like we're good.

Frank: 1:25

So good.

Lauren: 1:25

Yeah, this is just a little reminder to our listeners that we love hearing from you and we are really interested in your spiritual journeys. Honestly, we get pumped when we get an email from someone who says they're just starting to develop their psychic or intuitive abilities. Right, Like we're like yeah yes, I want to hear more, so please keep them coming. Also, we want to interview you, like, if you're willing to share your story. We want to put that on our Patreon and to quote High School Musical we're all in this together.

Lauren: 2:01

Listen, Lauren, the last thing I need is Disney on my ass for taking their IP no, you can sing a song. I'm not sure you know that's probably one of their better songs, high school musical. Anyway, I'm getting looks from Frank. Anyway, these stories are really fun to hear. So we've got a few people on deck for some Patreon interviews and we want more.

Frank: 2:27

Bring them in. We want them all. Let's get them.

Lauren: 2:29

So keep them coming, baby. So we'll keep it short and just get straight to Taylor Page, because she has a lot of really great insight and we learned a lot from her.

Frank: 2:41

She does and we did. You want to know something funny about Taylor Page? It's not lot from her. She does and we did the. You want to know something funny about Taylor page? It's not funny about her, it's funny about I guess it's funny about me, Go on. Well, when you said that we were interviewing Taylor page, you said, oh cool, and you told me about her and I didn't realize that it's Taylor page from the podcast that I listened to. Yeah, Her podcast is called what is it? Lauren Magic Hour.

Lauren: 3:03

Yes.

Frank: 3:05

And she's like fantastic. So I was like oh, oh, dang, this is exciting. So yeah. Yeah, she's a fountain of knowledge and she had a lot of good advice about how to connect with your spirit guides and your angels. She does some work with angels, which I always have a bunch of questions about because I like to shed the old concept of angels.

Lauren: 3:25

So yeah, that's kind of a relatively new understanding for me. I remember getting an angel reading from someone. She was like calling in angels and stuff on our on our phone call and I was like what's going on? I remember telling you about it and you were like okay, but now it's so normal in our house Like every night we tell Archangel Michael like, protect the bedroom for kids in a very non-denominational way.

Frank: 3:57

So it is pretty interesting, yeah, but anyway, yeah, taylor page rock and roll rock and roll.

Lauren: 4:03

Here she is Taylor Page. Rock and roll, rock and roll. Here she is Taylor Page. Thank you so much for joining us on, claire Voyaging, we are thrilled to have you here. We love to hear how did you get to what you're doing now?

Taylor: 4:17

Thank you for having me. So this is a really long story, so I'm going to just try to hit the main points.

Frank: 4:25

But that's okay, we love it.

Taylor: 4:26

Like so many people yes, like so many people in this field I was just completely online as a kid and because I didn't have the language to describe my experiences. I had precognitive dreams. I felt presences by my bed, especially when I was trying to go to sleep, and I just got completely terrified because I didn't understand. And I feel like it's almost a prerequisite in some way on this path to feel the fear and do it anyway. And in the words of Val Williams, the medium, she has a whole book called Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway and I think that's a prerequisite to reclaiming these gifts in some way. Whether it's even if you come from a supportive family, there's a level of fear of sharing your voice in the world. There's always some level of fear and overcoming that on this path. And so I definitely went through that myself and I basically decided if I can't see it physically and if it's not quote unquote normal, I don't want to see it. So I pretty much tied a blindfold over my third eye.

Taylor: 5:29

I went down a path that was the wrong career path. I was sick, I was in an abusive relationship. I was just feeling through the world blindly because I shut down my intuition, because I was so scared of it. And I hit a rock bottom moment at the age of 25. And I basically just said I have to. By tying everything out, by closing everything out, I'm also shutting down my connection to my angels, my guides, my higher self, my intuition, and that's a necessary limb for navigating my path of highest good. And so, at the age of 25, I opened back up, I started doing practice readings on myself and I sort of turned this thing, that was my biggest fear, into my biggest remembered superpower. And for a year of my life, I put the call out there of I will do a free reading for anyone who wants. Just know that I'm practicing. And so I practiced for free for a whole year and that kind of and, by the way, I wanted to be a comedy writer. Okay, this was not like what I was planning for my life.

Lauren: 6:35

Oh yeah, you were in.

Taylor: 6:35

Groundlings. Right, I was. Yeah, I went all the way through writing lab and all of that and so.

Taylor: 6:41

I practiced for free for a year and that kind of snowballed Friends, told friends, told friends of friends, until all of a sudden it is what it is today and I kind of just got out of the way of the story. I told myself of who I was supposed to be and let who I really was lead, and it's I always say, as a medium and as a intuitive, that the best messages that I get are the ones that surprise me, and I feel like there's a certain aspect of that in life as well is like the best things in life have been a complete surprise from what I could have planned when you turned back on, were you like aware the whole time that you had this in you and that you had turned it off.

Taylor: 7:32

I didn't have the exact clarity that I do from my place of development now. So I was more responding to the energetic forces, not really contextualizing them, understanding them, forces not really contextualizing them, understanding them. So I think I always recognize that there was more to me and, by the way, I believe every single person has the ability to connect. I think some of us are just born with the volume turned way up and we're very sensitive and it comes easier to us. Just like certain people they're amazing painters and, yeah, they have to develop it, but it's a natural thing that comes easier for us. Just like certain people they're amazing painters and, yeah, they have to develop it, but it's a natural thing that comes easier for them than somebody like me. I'm not very good at painting. So I think we all have our natural gifts and I think spirit works through us all in different ways. So for me, I was just extremely dialed up and I would always have these. Like I remember, when I was in the throes of being terrified of this, my guides and stuff would really try to get my attention in dreams and I would just have very vivid dreams and I find that's what happens a lot for people who resist, and especially people who are empaths. It's like we take on so much and it becomes so heavy. But it doesn't have to be that way. We just have to remember our power. And so I think in that time I would have these dreams and things would be really heavy and they would be getting my attention, but in terms of like knowing that there was something more, I remember I was a host at a restaurant and trying to be a comedy writer and that's around the time that this was happening, starting to unravel, I was living in a studio in Studio City and there was a coworker of mine who worked another job.

Taylor: 9:16

She worked at Sephora and one of her coworkers died and she came to work and she's a friend of mine still and she was always the one that was like Taylor, you know so many things you shouldn't know. Like you need to develop this. And I was always like no, no, no. And so later, um, that night, her co-worker came to me and had all these messages for me and I was like no, no, no, no, I don't want this.

Taylor: 9:42

Like I was so terrified and she basically told me like it wasn't an accident and that there was like more to the story and I said I don't wanna know, I don't wanna know, I'm so scared right now. And she said, fine, then I'm going to your friend. And five minutes later my friend called me and she woke up out of a dead sleep with that coworker's face right in front of her and her dream, and so there were a lot of little synchronistic things that would happen and I just kept fighting it and then finally I realized spirit is all love. And that came later on my development and I think there's almost a physiological response to like a prey drive kicking in. When you're sensing as something that you can't see. It's like a natural response for us to go right to fear.

Frank: 10:32

But what if?

Taylor: 10:33

it's just like your grandma, like, hey, I love you, but you're like I can't see this and I'm scared and I'm, I feel like I'm giving all my power away and I'm prey, and I think that's just the human part of us.

Frank: 10:43

Yeah, that's funny because you know we have a six-year-old and she's always she's scared of the dark and what have you? Like many six-year-olds are, like many adults are, like Frank is, and the thing I have been starting to tell her that has been working out really well is I, lauren is a Reiki master and I am a level two attuned by Lauren. So I always tell her I'm like hey, like like, put your hand, one hand on your, your heart, and another hand on, like your I don't say solar plexus, I just say on your tummy and I'm like, tell yourself that, like that you are loved and it really combats any of the fear. And she'll go back to bed and like, roll over and fall asleep in a second. But like that, that, keeping in mind that, like the spirit is love thing, has really helped us out in this household this week yeah, like in particular we started doing that this week.

Lauren: 11:35

Or like being nervous about going to just started first grade and like the just the idea how, how love can replace fear so much. We were like in the car she's like I feel really nervous and Frank was like do the thing I just told you Like, and she totally calmed down.

Frank: 11:53

And it's so. Yeah, I just have never considered love as an antidote to fear. Yeah, for us.

Taylor: 11:57

I love that and I do think that fear of the dark isn't all just about spirit. It's also about epigenetically, what's been passed down from us, I mean for generations of ancestors. The dark is the time that's not safe. It's when people would invade. It's when you can get mugged. It's when people are asleep and there isn't much activity or community to support you, especially for women. It's like I'm not going for a walk at night.

Taylor: 12:23

And so I think that there's a certain level of equating the darkness with just the unseen. But I think there's a deeper biological factor at play as well of why we fear the dark and I used to fear the dark. I think again it's that sort of prerequisite moving through the underworld, the shadow and the fear, and finding your power in that space so that you can be of service to other people going through that same journey feeling the fear and doing it anyway yeah, yes, my dad.

Lauren: 12:52

My dad used to say that exact quote to me oh, really that was yeah when I was a kid okay, a couple of questions.

Frank: 12:59

Tell me the difference between tay Taylor from before you had accepted your intuitive gifts, versus after.

Taylor: 13:08

Before I went down this path by basically fearing my gifts, quote unquote I was fearing myself, I was fearing who I really was, I was fearing my potential and I was playing so small was. I was fearing my potential and I was playing so small. And I think that there's something about the age of 25 that's very significant for me to have this wake up call, because the age of 25 is when our brain is fully developed and I felt like, as I was navigating free wake up, I almost didn't feel like I was in the driver's seat of my life. It's like everything was happening to me and I was kind of floating through. And when I was at this rock bottom moment in an abusive relationship, it was Halloween. I was dressed like the Bride of Frankenstein and I was Twitch streaming a horror game for like a community of people and my long-term abusive boyfriend texted me that he got nudes from another lady and he was leaving me and like going to basically cheat on me and like told me that, and so here, I was on Halloween.

Frank: 14:18

Wait, wait, wait, hold on a second. Usually what.

Taylor: 14:22

I'm sorry to laugh at that he was a manipulator and he was abusive, so he would do things because he knew, no matter what he did, I wouldn't leave. So he was in awful ways. Yes, yes, yes, oh no, that is dark it's dark and the funny part is I was dressed as the bride of frankincense. That is funny yeah um, and so it was like this that's what I'm saying like my rock bottom moment he ended up coming back to my apartment.

Taylor: 14:46

He was like drunk and belligerent and starting to like get a little physical. I had to promise to myself, like I don't recognize who I am right now, never again. And that was the moment that I let everything else in and I realized I can't keep being prey and giving my power away to everything. I need to remember my power. I need to remember that the scariest thing in this apartment is actually me, and I need to reclaim the parts of myself that I haven't been looking at in an honest way wow what do you think?

Lauren: 15:34

amazing. Like that's incredible and good for you. Yeah, that's really inspiring too, and like yeah what do you think was the?

Frank: 15:44

what do you think was the resistance to like allowing getting in touch with your intuitive self?

Taylor: 16:55

The resistance is that, and so, if you know astrology, almost my entire chart is in the eighth house. My sun, my moon, my mercury, my Venus, it's all in the house of death, and that was the eighth house I'm so I only know like sun. The eighth house is death, other people's money, transformation, phoenix, energy, and so my gifts when I was young were very much connected to who's going to die in the family.

Taylor: 17:24

And so I would have dreams like and tell my mom, you know, grandpa's going to die in two weeks, and she was like, why on earth would you even say that? Do not even say that. And I was like, okay, I'm just, you know, got the message. And then that would happen. He had a stroke and suddenly he passed very quickly and I would always associate things with death endings and that scared me when I was little because I didn't understand that there's no such thing as death, we just continue on in a different form. There's no such thing as last words, we speak a new language, and so I always associate it with scary stuff. And it just basically took, and that's also a societal problem. We've been so sanitized of this information and this work that we just naturally fear the unknown, and that was my aversion to it.

Lauren: 18:16

That's such a relatable thing too, People are so terrified of just in general, terrified of death, so terrified of just in general, like terrified of death, terrified of loss or losing someone, and if nothing like our journey has been like, they're still around, they're still here yeah, it's funny, I was talking to my buddy drew yesterday and like we both were like coming to the realization that, like, neither of us is actually afraid of death but everyone's a little concerned about dying.

Frank: 18:45

Like it's a, it feels like a performance that like you're not quite prepared for it and like no one you can't, there's no way to practice for it. But that said, like the, the aftermath is like everyone, like at least people in our circle, feel a little more comfortable with it these days.

Taylor: 18:57

Yeah, I think it's much more terrifying to be sick in a physical body and hear suffering. I think everything there is to fear is here on earth. Yeah.

Frank: 19:06

Yeah, no, I wouldn't disagree with that, that's so true.

Lauren: 19:09

Yeah.

Frank: 19:10

Just to briefly follow up on your friend's coworker who had passed away. What was the conclusion on that? Just because that's interesting.

Taylor: 19:18

I know. So this was you know, gosh, almost 10 years ago now that that happened and I never got conclusive evidence, which is not even unfortunate. I just wish her and her family the best, but at the time I was so freaked out by it. But to me the evidence was that she told me fine, if you won't listen, I'll go to your friend.

Taylor: 19:43

And then my friend called me five minutes later being like I just had a vivid dream of this girl in my and it woke me up, and so that was enough.

Taylor: 19:52

And I do feel like there are people that might have, like I said, more of a natural affinity for this work, which is not to say that I think every single person, like I said, has the ability to develop this, but I think that certain spirits that want you to do this work will sort of push you and push you and push you and reveal themselves to you and come around you until maybe you get that message. And so I think my whole life was a series of things I couldn't have known spirit getting my attention and me running from it, and it really started opening up and blossoming when I said yes to it and just opportunities, contacts, like things that got my voice out there in a big way. Like pretty early on in my development I got invited onto a top 50 podcast in the world and then hundreds of people wanted readings from me, and so I've been super led on this path in a in a way that I just had to stop dragging my heels and just say yes.

Frank: 20:54

So when you, when you did finally like give in and just and just do it and stop dragging your heels, were you supported in your family? Or does your family think it's kind of funny?

Taylor: 21:03

Yes. So my mom she passed in 2022, but she was a Pisces, sun and moon. She was super spiritual and she was like my biggest fan, like biggest supporter. It was like you were born to do this work, like so supportive. My dad wasn't not supportive, but he saw me go through so many phases like first I'm an actor, then I'm a comedy writer, then I'm a twitch streamer, and then I'm a this, then I'm a that, and he was like, okay, this is just another kind of phase. He was like patiently just waiting for me to like figure out what was next.

Taylor: 21:36

And the turning point for that, which is so funny, is that I was a reader. So I come from Ojai, california, and when I was developing, I was a reader in a shop there and his employee came to see me and she sat down and this was again very early on in my journey and I just said, oh, did you have a turtle that passed away? And she was like what the hell? Yeah, I did have a turtle that passed away. And I was like it the hell. Yeah, I did have a turtle that passed away. And I was like it's a boy turtle and he loves you and you rescued him and he started giving all these messages from this turtle.

Taylor: 22:10

And then she asked me about these three different men she was dating. I was like, well, that one's married. He's not telling you, he's married, that one you're never going to see again and that is not your person. And then the next day she found out that guy was married and everything just kind of turned out that way. So then she went to my dad and was like, uh, are you aware that your daughter actually is like giving real messages? And that was the turning point for my dad, because a few of his employees started to get readings from me at the shop.

Frank: 22:40

Oh my God, that's funny. How, how, how do your, how do your Claire's come through? What are you? What are you working with?

Taylor: 22:48

So Claire sentience is my like bread and butter. Claire psychic feeling, like that is what I have in spades. And that was what was so scary for me as a kid was that I could feel but couldn't see. So I was like, ah, like who's here, Like I feel someone sitting with me, like who is that? And that scared me as a kid. And so Claire Cognizance is my second Claire, which is psychic knowing. So I'd kind of just have like feelings and knowings. And then you know I've been on this path professionally for eight years. So now you know I work with all of the Claire's, but feeling and knowing we're definitely like my bread and butter and still are.

Frank: 23:27

How do you, in particular, know the difference between when you are Claire knowing something and when you're just kind of taking a guess at it? Cause we we play like intuitive games over here and sometimes I'm like I don't, I don't know, we do the Xenar cards, sometimes with the squiggles on it and stuff. I hold it up, or Lauren holds it up for me and I try to guess what it is. I'm like I literally am guessing. I'm not tapping into anything.

Frank: 23:52

I'm trying to tap into a knowing, and it's just not. And then I end up guessing and I'm wrong. I'm wrong. A statistically incredible amount.

Lauren: 24:05

But like there are things that you just kind of there's like an understanding of people, even if he doesn't really know them, he can like kind of get to what they need to hear, and it's like, oh, I think that's that's your, that's your intuition, that's your unclear yeah, yeah how do you know?

Taylor: 24:21

yeah, well, claircognizance is one of the most advanced, difficult clairs, because the mind wants to come in. And I think the format of that flashcard game is really hard too, because when you ask the mind a question, or when you ask yourself a question, the mind will be like it's an elephant and it will just give an answer for the sake of it, because that's how the mind is designed. Yeah, so that's why I always say the best messages are the ones that surprise you, and that's why self-divination is very difficult, because we're attached to outcomes and we often only turn to our spiritual practices when we're in a crisis moment or when we really want to hear a specific answer, and that's when it's almost impossible for claircognizance to come online. And so I think one of the most important lessons I've learned in my development is allow, don't force. And so I think opening up to a format where it's like what truth wants to come through, or even just saying what wants to come through, that I could benefit from hearing right now, that is a form where the claircognizance can maybe strike you.

Taylor: 25:24

But for me, I feel claircognizance.

Taylor: 25:28

So when I'm in a reading with people, my other clairs are sort of the evidence. I can feel where they were sick, I can see things they want me to see and I can hear maybe their name, but then I get a like full body knowing of. This is the message, and it's almost like the best way I can describe it is a feel like a. It's not even truly a feeling, it's like a download that comes in an energetic frequency that I have to then translate into words. It's like the best way I could put it, and so it. It's very subtle and I also think, like you have to just let it develop and come at its own time, like we want to be, like I'm going to develop my clairvoyance and I'm going to be doing this, but it's like we just have to kind of get out of our own way with our development and let spirit lead, and I've really been leaning into the idea of spirit knows best. And I think when you're in that place, that's when you're more clear for the knowing to come through.

Frank: 26:26

Yeah, yeah. Do you, in your expertise, do you ever still like, is there ever still a little bit of doubt of like, oh, how much, of how much is my mind making up? Are you like so confident in how it feels, now that you, you know?

Taylor: 26:43

when it's, it's, it's more clear for you. I'm pretty confident because of I mean, I've been for years seeing three clients every single day. So I practice every single day and I think to be at my level professionally. I wouldn't do it professionally if I wasn't confident. That being said, you know there's always a level of deeper trust, deeper trust, but that's why it's really important for the sitter to have discernment and to say no, this doesn't resonate with me. Or yes, it does resonate with me, because in all reality, they should be able to verify what I'm saying, or the feeling that I get, or it should resonate with them. And so that's how you, that's how I can know that it's not just my mind.

Lauren: 27:26

You you took some like development classes at Arthur Finley? That's exactly what I was going to ask.

Frank: 27:31

Oh, I just I just noticed she used the term sitter and I've only heard that from Arthur Finley people.

Taylor: 27:36

Yeah, so I started my practice with angel readings, so mediumship is something that I've only been developing for almost exactly one year.

Lauren: 27:46

Oh, really Wow.

Taylor: 27:48

Yeah, so mediumship is quite new. Angels are where I started because, again, I had that fearful background and to me angels were like the most pure light, love form, and even the word angel is slightly limiting to their energy, but it's like the closest match I could get in English to what they are. And so I started there and I was completely self-taught and so that's where my internship year came in, that's where I practiced and that was the message that I got from them. Really small studio in Studio City, I had barely anything in my house and they were like sell your couch, turn that little nook into a reading area and put on Facebook that you're doing free readings for a year.

Taylor: 28:29

And I was so scared to do that because I had this background at like a prestigious prep school and everybody was like what are they going to think of me? And all of these things and these things that you're saying, saying like, do you have a hard time trusting yourself? Like you know how? How can you tell the claircognizance? It's like I have gone through every single shadowy thought, every single not trusting myself, worrying what people are gonna say. The first podcast I got invited to be on, I was shaking so violently. I almost didn't leave my car like there.

Taylor: 29:03

So I've gone through this journey. I am not like here to say, oh no, it's easy for me and I know everything. That's definitely not what I'm saying, saying I'm in a better place with it now after literally eight years of development. So, but yeah, for the first, basically six or seven years, it was completely self-taught. And then past loved ones started to come into my readings and I just knew and it's funny because even that turtle story was really early on and I didn't realize I was even doing mediumship at that time but past loved ones were starting to come through and my connection with them was so unsophisticated I was like I know there's like a mom here and that she loves you, but I genuinely don't know what she's trying to say and I was getting so frustrated because I knew there was more to it and I think that it had to go, as I just said, like spirit always does truly know best. And I had to go this way because I do think ultimately my mediumship is like a big part of what I'm here to do.

Taylor: 30:04

But I couldn't start off that way because I was scared. I had to work with angels for a long enough time period that I could develop and understand and feel safe to open. And so for me, the ethics of mediumship are so important. Not that they're not for angel readings, but angel readings are about the person I'm reading for, whereas mediumship is about the person I'm reading for and the person in the spirit world that has a message, and I never want to put words in their mouth and I don't want to say something that isn't right. And then the sitter is like, okay, that's fact about them, whereas the messages from angel readings they can understand right away because it's about them, whereas the messages from angel readings they can understand right away because it's about them.

Taylor: 30:45

So I just decided like, okay, I'm at this crossroads moment, more and more past loved ones are starting to come in. I feel like there's so much more richness I could get from the messages that I'm not getting. And that's when I decided to go to Arthur Finley College and it just jumpstarted me and for some reason I signed up for like an advanced level course and I had no idea. I had no idea, I was completely self-taught and didn't know about this world. And then all of a sudden I was demonstrating and all of a sudden I was doing all of these things and you know it ended up working out, but it definitely just pushed me out of the safety zone and I had no choice but to fly. Yeah.

Lauren: 31:26

So, like you, you're going to rip the fear out of you.

Taylor: 31:32

Yes, and and truly, I went into that experience without very much fear. I truly was like let me just see what this is all about. And I always say that the best way to approach this work is playful curiosity.

Taylor: 31:45

I think playful curiosity it's like let's see what can happen, let's have fun instead of being like this has to be perfect and that's when the ego can come in and you're not of service anymore. And I think playful curiosity is really because I really believe spirit loves to play with us and they're so creative in the way that they share their evidence Like literally just in my mediumship circle that I left right before I came here. I had a mother and spirit coming through but there was a grandmother kind of piggybacking off of her for her message, for her granddaughter, and both of these women in my mediumship circle needed the same message. And the way spirit was using these double meanings was so interesting, like they showed me the Gemini symbol. One of them could take that her mom was a twin and the other one was a Gemini. She showed me an M name. Both of them had M names, margaret and something else.

Taylor: 32:36

Sometimes they like to play and if I was in my head like, no, it can only be one person and it has to look this way and if I was in my head like no, it can only be one person and it has to look this way. We're ruling out some of the magic that can happen when we just let go and trust.

Frank: 32:49

That's so funny.

Lauren: 32:52

That's really yeah, that's so interesting.

Frank: 32:52

So wait, if it was the same message for two people, what was the general message? Just out of curiosity.

Taylor: 32:56

The general message was patience. Basically like you're in a moment where you're not seeing clearly and everything feels really stressful, but there's so much joy on the other side. You have to be patient for things to work themselves out. With the message yeah.

Frank: 33:10

Yeah, Okay, I have. I have a question. We haven't talked about angels all that much on the show and you're you're talking about angel readings. Can you tell me like what that is in comparison to? Just like mediumship?

Taylor: 33:23

Yes, and it's so funny because at Arthur Finley College they were not a fan of my angel readings, really. Yeah, my teacher was kind of like, okay, you might think you're talking to angels, but blah, blah, blah, and I was like, no, I know, I'm speaking to angels but that's okay, oh wow, that's so interesting.

Taylor: 33:41

Yeah, it was really interesting. She's like I can't deny that you have the evidential mediumship piece of the puzzle and spirit saying they want you to do this work. But like are you really sure you're speaking to angels? I was like yes, I'm really positive what did they think it was?

Frank: 33:52

instead like just spirits my imagination or something.

Taylor: 33:57

Isn't that like the?

Frank: 33:58

opposite. Yeah, that's of what we're supposed to be doing in this community. Yeah, that's so.

Taylor: 34:04

Well, the thing about the college is that they're very much about spiritualism which is the religion and angel readings don't fall into that.

Taylor: 34:14

So, it's not that they were being mean or trying to knock me down, but it was more like this is a spiritualist college and we don't do that. I work, so you guys will understand this. But when I work with angels and they speak differently and they feel different than spirit. So angels come in above the top of my head, whereas spirit comes in at my heart, and so when I'm connecting with angels, they are above my head and I have to really be vibing high to connect with them. Not that I don't with spirit, but it's different and they speak very symbolically.

Taylor: 34:48

So the way angels speak is they'll give me like an image, and the image will start to even make more sense as time goes by and we'll take on new messages as time go by. So there's like these almost layered symbols that they give, like you're on the outside of a snow globe, looking in, and in the snow globe is this, this and this, and like everything will have a different part of the meaning. And so the way they speak is something I'm very comfortable with because I've been speaking with them for a long time. But basically my understanding of angels which I don't think I can ever fully understand them while I'm in a body is that they're a pure form of energy that is perfectly attuned to our higher self helping us, and we all have our own angels that are helping us basically remember and connect to our path of highest good, and they're just pure love and I don't think they've ever been human and that's the distinction between them and past loved ones.

Lauren: 35:45

Yeah, Okay, it's so cool to think about.

Frank: 35:55

You said that the way you communicate with them the best is when you're vibing very high. How do you, in particular, get your vibes high enough to interface with them?

Taylor: 36:06

Yeah. So what they tell me is that joy is our language, joy is the language of angels. So what they tell me is that joy is our language, joy is the language of angels. And so when we are living out of alignment with joy, it's very hard for us to believe our messages from our angels or to receive them, because the voice of fear and heaviness and self-doubt speaks over them and, like all psychic information, it's extremely subtle. So what I mean about that is that when I'm in a moment where I'm going through really heavy things personally, or when my mom just passed like that's, it's way harder to get and understand the messages from your angels.

Taylor: 36:41

It's not that they aren't with you. Our angels are always with us. We are not always with them. And by walking in our power and our joy, that is when we raise our vibe enough to actually connect with them. And I think gratitude is another, like I call them, bridge frequencies, which are basically emotions that, when we lean into them and wholeheartedly embody them, can help bridge us to higher dimensional consciousness. And I think joy connects us to our angels. I think love connects us to spirit. I think gratitude connects us to our angels. I think love connects us to spirit. I think gratitude connects us to our higher self, and so practicing all of those high vibe emotions not in like a spiritual bypassing way, but in an embodied, healed way, is a way that we can feel a lot closer to our angels and be with them, not just them with us.

Frank: 37:30

You know it's something that and this maybe speaks towards my own trauma or experience but how do you like it's funny how do you like elicit those vibrations going from zero to vibrating love? I have a hard time with that personally. You just like, can you just like, manifest the feeling of love out of nowhere. Is that like how you have control over yourself?

Taylor: 37:54

It's something that I've practiced for a long time to be able to do this every single day. My mom always joked that I'm a spiritual athlete and basically what I do is, before a client session, I sit with the energy of love, so I either focus on my dog or my husband, or even just the pure and again, claire. Sentience is my main Claire, so I can conjure up emotional feelings sort of easily and they serve as a link to those. It's like almost a shortcut. It's like almost a shortcut like a command app or something like that.

Taylor: 38:31

Shortcut to them. And so, yeah, I think just sitting and either like visualization is so powerful, like visualizing a time that you felt such deep love or somebody that you love so much, it's like love, gratitude, joy All of these things already exist within us and in our life. We don't have to go about doing things to manufacture them. And it's just sort of bringing our attention there instead of what we're worrying about what could go wrong, what we're upset about what's not enough. It's like shifting from worry into wonder.

Lauren: 39:08

Oh my brain gets in the way of, of of so much just hearing that I'm like I don't know I was, because I was just thinking about it.

Frank: 39:16

Obviously, I presented the question of like how do you do that? Because I'm not good at that, but you know what, like while while she was speaking, I was thinking that, like the, the times when I just feel like pure love is when it's like with the kids yeah, like the kids is really the thing that, like, fills me with such a unconditional love. You know what I mean, specifically when they're sleeping and not driving me nuts but, like still it's.

Frank: 39:41

It's the kids and that, that kind of thing Like you got to find the tool strong enough to overcome the the chaos, the dummy brain yeah.

Taylor: 39:48

And I think, I think, even just like before, the next time you exercise your psychic senses or try to get a message, just meditating on that love you have for your kids, that gratitude you have for your kids, and then assigning a color of light to that feeling and just letting that light envelop you and hold you, I think will raise your frequency to a place where the information might come a little bit more clearly. And I know that's sort of what has helped me connect with angels before sessions is what am I grateful for? And sometimes I'm just so grateful for our angels and for the messages that they give me and I can just sit in that gratitude. And you know everybody's mind wants to come in, including my own.

Taylor: 40:31

That voice never goes away. It's our relationship to that voice that changes. It's how much we trust that voice. Listen to that voice, believe it, because as soon as you heal whatever that what I call the inner villain voice is saying, it will just find a new thing to latch on to. So it's not about getting rid of that voice, it's about being like, oh like. Thank you for trying to keep me safe. Is that a different place now?

Frank: 40:56

Yeah, it's funny how much the desire for safety keeps people anchored to things they don't necessarily want to be anchored to.

Lauren: 41:06

That is my biggest thing.

Frank: 41:07

I think it's a lot of people's biggest thing. I think it's my biggest thing, oh yeah.

Lauren: 41:11

I love assigning a color to that.

Frank: 41:14

Yeah, that definitely feels more in your realm. You like that visualization thing.

Taylor: 41:19

Is clairvoyance, your main clair.

Lauren: 41:21

This is all like To be clear.

Frank: 41:24

we suck at clairs. We're working on this. We know we have them because everyone does, but we are working that out right now. I think that's amazing and so, like we know we have them because everyone does, but we are working that out right now.

Taylor: 41:34

So I think that's amazing and I love that you guys are going on this journey together. I think that's so special.

Frank: 41:38

It's helpful. Like the support it's very cool yeah. I mean, this is the reason why we started a podcast. Is it became our like daily conversation anyway? And we're like, why don't we?

Lauren: 41:54

just like talk to people who know better like you, um, and like try to figure out, like what our own power is. I do sometimes get like some kind of visualization or something where I'm like do I have when I develop? Is that my strongest sense? Is the, the clairvoyance, or I'm a? I can be really sensitive to, like, just and like people's emotions, so like empathic. Yeah, so I don't know.

Taylor: 42:14

I'm not sure. I think when images pop into your head and they surprise, you ask yourself like I wasn't thinking about that, why would that have popped into my head? Because clairvoyance it's like very. It's a quick flash, yeah, of a picture and like I I tell this story of a really early on reading where I was like, okay, a woman's son came in and I was connecting with him and I just saw a quick flash of a bracelet made of wooden beads and I was like shut up, I'm trying to get the message. Why is that in my head?

Lauren: 42:49

That's funny.

Taylor: 42:49

And then I realized like wait, why would that pop into my head? I'm very surprised by that. So I said, okay, he's showing me, you know, a bracelet made of wooden beads. And the mom said, oh my gosh, that's the one thing I have left of him is this bracelet of wooden beads, and I'm not wearing it today, but I usually wear it every day. Oh my gosh, watching your thoughts, meditation, observing is like so important so that you can stretch that muscle of observing what's in your mind.

Lauren: 43:35

I'm gonna pay more attention to that, because I am I'm a visual learner, so, like I've always heard, if you like, yeah, and I also like when I used to take notes in school, I could like see it in my mind where I wrote something like I wrote it kind of like sideways and up the piece of paper like this, and I could kind of like see it Right. So, yeah, like maybe I pay more attention to that.

Frank: 44:02

Yeah, I think I'm more in terms of. I think I might fall into sentience and clear cognizance. I think those are the two that I landed. Taylor, I'm going to brag for a quick second to you and our listeners. I did a my first distance Reiki session the other day on my daughter and because she was having big emotions and I felt without expecting it or thinking it would even be possible at all a giant lump in my throat, which is, you know, like how I used to get sad when I was a kid her age and also like my throat got a little scratchy too. And I I asked lauren was with her. I said, hey, does, does jean have like a like a sore throat or like like post nasal drip or something? And she's like, actually she does right now. That's the biggest thing so far I've had, where I was not expecting that whatsoever and and I was like this just took me by surprise.

Lauren: 44:54

Cause you knew it wasn't yours. Yeah, it was not mine yeah.

Frank: 44:56

Yeah.

Taylor: 44:58

That's amazing. I love that and that's how it starts Like when I first started developing and practicing, it was those small moments of I could not have known this that were like so exciting. And it develops and it gets richer and your clairs start to work together more, but like you get to a point where it's like, oh, I got a flash of a specific image that really resonates with this person, but like that's exactly. The path is like those little wins or those little moments of affirmation are exactly where you need to be for that development and for anybody listening who feels like clairsent is a main Claire for them.

Taylor: 45:34

It's really helpful to ask yourself, to ask your guides what does a full body yes feel like for me? What does a full body no feel like for me? And usually with a yes, you'll feel fizzy and happy and warm and loving and in flow, and with a no, you feel heaviness on your heart and constricted and kind of down and heavy and you can literally, in micro moment to micro moment, micro choice to micro choice, put your hands on your heart and ask is this a yes or a no for me and get information just that simply. Ooh, that's neat.

Lauren: 46:12

I feel like you should do that, yeah, I feel like I should do that, yeah.

Frank: 46:15

I feel like we all should do that, but you definitely should do that.

Lauren: 46:18

Yes, yeah, what we didn't realize as part of this journey, this podcast for the last like 10 months or whatever, is all the stuff that would be coming up and like the trauma healing and like inner child and shadow. We are learning a lot about ourselves and, like you know, there is so much that needs to be healed before I can even trust something that comes in. Is it mine or am I? Did I just make that up because I don't trust myself?

Taylor: 46:49

Are you listening to spirit or to trauma?

Frank: 46:51

Right, yeah, I'm turning 40. You're in your forties and like it's funny realizing, oh, I'm a stable, like well-adjusted adult, and getting to this point where it's like, oh shit, it was all duct tape and fishing wire and and.

Taylor: 47:08

I need to start over to a certain extent, but we're getting through that now, but yeah exactly, and, like, our ability to connect to spirit is in direct proportion to the work that we do on ourselves. They go hand in hand because you can't go deep, deep, deep into the light without proportionally healing the shadow. Healing the shadow and I think it's interesting because I was actually just getting this message today that, like, the water element in astrology is associated with spiritual connection, and water is also associated with feeling. And if we run away from our deeper emotional feelings, if we refuse to feel them, if we refuse to process what has been held in our heart and I see this all the time in readings where it's like a little Pandora's box in the heart of just people, stuffing it down, stuffing down the pain, stuffing down the pain and it shoots their consciousness right into their head and they try to logic their way through life and reason their way through life and they get lost on the path, they feel burnt out, they feel disconnected from authenticity and it's because they don't feel safe to come back to their heart.

Taylor: 48:17

And so, until we can feel our feelings, detangle the rubber band ball of emotion on our heart and let things flow, because without feeling these what I call messenger emotions, they will get louder and louder and louder. Until we do feel them and until we've gone through that process it will be almost important to have, it will be almost impossible to have a clear enough heart to actually know what is coming through from spirit and that it's not the messenger emotions that need to be heard, and fear is a messenger emotion the messenger emotions that need to be heard, and fear is a messenger emotion. Anxiety is a messenger emotion. Depression is, and those things aren't us. We can identify with our thoughts and emotions, but they're really just messengers. We're the observer of them.

Frank: 49:02

Okay, taylor, yeah, that you, I feel I feel too seen, is that living in my head has been.

Frank: 49:12

I always felt very, you know, like I had to, um, try very hard to fit in into, like society the way it is, and with being hypersensitive as a kid, just emotionally hypersensitive and hypersensitive as an adult what am I saying?

Frank: 49:27

And and in order to like, get by and have a, a, you know, normal job and stuff, I began to completely live in my head and I, or I, have things sorted out and it's which, you know, it's a, it's been a good tool and I can use it for a lot of to get a lot of things done. But over time, my anxiety and like panic attacks started like destroying everything and I'm now in a phase where I'm trying to get out of my head and try to get more into an authentic flow state where I am responding to that like inner child and those, those wants and desires that had been maybe pushed into the shadow a bit and it's. I'm glad we're doing it now because I feel like, if I feel like this is how people get old. I feel like if you wait too long to do this, you get set in your ways and then, like you, just become a crusty old fart and you're breaking.

Taylor: 50:22

You're breaking ancestral patterns, you're learning a new way to be. And I think also, you know our head. It serves a purpose. It keeps us safe in this world and that's what our head is really designed for. But our heart is the GPS system and when our heart is clogged up, it's like, yeah, the head might be able to rationalize and strategize and get us forward in a way. But is it the right path? Is it the most aligned path? Is that what really lights us up and is joyful for us?

Frank: 50:50

That's where the heart needs to come in um, when you're talking about playing it small, is that kind of you meant playing it small as in playing it like uh, inauthentic in a way?

Taylor: 51:00

by playing it small, I basically meant giving my power away to everything but me not trusting myself, not trusting my ability to navigate life, you know, caring more about how other people perceive me than how I perceive myself, just completely lost. And yeah, just it's interesting too, because at that time I was pursuing acting, and acting was almost this manifestation of all the ways I was giving my power away, Like other people's opinions about myself, my body, my performance, my looks, it's like everything about that path was subconsciously affirming my worst beliefs about myself and I just kept hitting roadblock after roadblock after roadblock, like that path felt so crunchy to me. But basically I decided when I was seven years old, I'm going to be an actor, and I never questioned that and I just kept going for it. And I kept going for it and finally I hit this path where I was like, is this even what I want? Do I even feel good or am I staying loyal to an outdated story of self?

Taylor: 52:04

And so when I started questioning things, that's when I think I started to no longer play it safe. And you know, there's this image I have of a wind-up doll where basically the crank on the back is like everything ancestrally, culturally, societally, that has been programmed into us and I think, until the age of 25, when our brain fully develops, but of course it could be different for everyone. We're going in these subconscious patterns that have already been predestined to us by this crank that is driving us and then, around that age, we sort of lose steam and the crank stops spinning. And I think it doesn't even have to be that age, it can be when your spiritual awakening is, you start to decide okay, I'm going to actually be the person that winds the crank up and programs my energy force with my authentic beliefs, my healing path, my self-worth, my personal power, and you start to what I call walk in the power.

Frank: 53:00

And I think that is when the shift of no longer playing it small I'm very jealous that you started when you're 25, but I'm there now and some of um. You know some of the shifts are a little uncomfortable because you know you're putting your life into transition. But I try to think about the Phoenix energy that you're talking about. It's a big deal. Yeah, um, I'm trying to live into that now. I have two wild card questions for you real quick, and then I'll let you go I love wild card questions.

Taylor: 53:29

Let's go.

Frank: 53:29

One of them is your mom passed in 2022. Have you had a contact from her?

Taylor: 53:36

Yes, so I'm around. You know I'm in my mediumship circle. I studied at AFC, so I've had a lot of signs from her, messages from her. It's so funny because my mom's name was Gordana and when I was at Arthur Finley College a lady just walked up to me and like, hey, I have your mom here. She's given me the name Gordon. I was like okay, I know exactly who you have. So, yeah, she's come through quite a lot and I know that it's no accident that my career kind of took off and my mediumship took off after she passed. And I know that she's helping me on the other side, 100%, that's so interesting?

Frank: 54:12

I always wonder, because I know we all have our own spirit team, but I'm under the impression that, like your spirit team isn't necessarily, or your spirit guides aren't necessarily people that you knew in life, but I mean, but it seems like also you can receive assistance still from people you did know in life.

Taylor: 54:32

And what we know in life is so minuscule to what our soul knows, to all of the soul experiences we've had all of the past lifetimes, all of the I mean our soul is connected to oneness and our life and what we know here is so irrelevant to what our soul knows and it can be a very limiting ego story, like I was just getting the message yesterday from my guides, where it's like people act like it's such a big deal to connect intuitively but it's actually less common in your lifetimes to be disconnected from it than connected.

Taylor: 55:00

You have had so many more lifetimes where connecting to spirit was as easy as breathing because it was part of the culture and the zeitgeist, whereas this timeline of separation and having to remember it, this is the outlier, and so I think it's easy for us to be like, well, I didn't know that, grandpa. It's like, well, yes, you do and they know you, and they know you in so many different ways and so what we know here, don't get attached to that, because it's such a small size of consciousness compared to the bigger picture.

Lauren: 55:35

That's been on my mind a lot lately, like how attached we all are to this right now. Oh yeah, and it's hard for me and that's okay.

Taylor: 55:48

That's like part of what we're here to do. That's why we came into a body is to live this human experience, to feel the duality of that, to not be a part of oneness. So it's okay to be attached to this. It's just don't let that limit your consciousness when it comes to what's possible for your guides. You know what happens.

Lauren: 56:07

That's been the thing is like I'm not, I'm so attached or like stuck in, like fear or what I this little tiny, like bubble that I've created, and there's so much more available.

Frank: 56:23

But we talk about this too, like all the time. Like it's the day, it's the off days you woke up cranky, or like you know the kids were being a pain in the butt, or you know you just slept like shit, whatever it is. And those are the days when you're like this pain is my everything right now and it's so hard to see past it. Yeah, those are the days.

Taylor: 56:43

As a Scorpio, I can fully resonate with that. I understand that, but those days are also the yardstick of our spiritual growth and I see them as an invitation to be. My aunt is a non-denominational reverend at a trauma hospital.

Taylor: 56:58

So she sits with people in their darkest times. And she's amazing. And she says how do you sit with what you do not want? Because that's a true measure of your spiritual consciousness Can you have grace for what you do not want? It's not about yeah, I can connect with spirit when everything is going amazing. It's not even about getting messages from past loved ones. It's can you sit in higher faith, self-compassion and love in the times where you're going through what you don't want? And that is the point of this journey. It's not to be right, it's not to get even messages. It's can you sit in grace and higher power and trust through what you don't want.

Taylor: 57:40

And I always say this spiritual journey does not absolve us of the human experience. And I feel like some people find this path out of desperation, to no longer feel anything painful. But that's not the point of this path. This point of this path out of desperation to no longer feel anything painful, yeah, but that's not the point of this path. This point of this path is to give you a toolbox to navigate life with more trust, grace and to know that you are truly never alone.

Lauren: 58:02

And that is like such an amazing thing to end on.

Frank: 58:06

It is, which is why I'm going to ruin it. We live very close to Ojai, in one word, oh, in one word. Well, not very close, close enough. We go camping there sometimes.

Taylor: 58:16

We're in Thousand Oaks yeah, oh nice, I'm in Westlake Village, are you serious? Are you serious? Yeah, we should have done this over lunch or something. What the hell? Oh, okay, I I feel like oh hi is spooky.

Taylor: 58:37

I feel like there's like a vortex there or something we've I've driven through parts and been like whoa, what is this? Oh yeah, I was born in the oh hi hospital, so, um, oh hi, it's not spooky, it's magical. There are some spooky people there doing spooky things. It is magical and it feels, I mean, it's my. So maybe I'm biased, but the people do say there's a vortex there. I'm not super familiar with that language, but yeah, there's definitely beautiful energy there, healing energy there, and I think sometimes, when we have such a powerful place like I, it's funny I was talking about this in my mediumship circle like certain churches or certain historical sites or certain places where the energy is just charged, and I do think Ojai is one of those places. It can bring out interesting emotions in us. So if you guys find something kind of like dark or heavy or spooky about Ojai's energy, that might be something that it's bringing up in you to see where it's like your body is like nope, shut it down. I don't like this feeling it was just that canyon.

Lauren: 59:34

I felt really sad.

Frank: 59:35

I felt weird too, yeah it was just that one spot yeah so that's something to explore interesting, I'm gonna take this as confirmation taylor. Give us all your plugs.

Taylor: 59:45

Tell people where to find you yes, thank you so much so you can connect with me on Instagram at angelsandamethyst there's underscores in between. I am the only account of that name. I'm sure all of your guests have to say that over and over again, because the fake accounts are so frustrating, oh yeah.

Taylor: 1:00:03

Yes, I will never reach out for a reading. You can join my waitlist at angelsandamethystcom. You can also find my three-part workshop series there. I have one that I recommend for people that are sort of just getting into this path, which is be your own angelic intuitive. It helps you develop your clairs, connect with your angels, learn to work with cards code 333 gives $33 off that. I also have a healing the witch wound course for people that might have religious trauma with this work, that might have a lot of aversion to the word witch and feminine power and all of that stuff. I'm very passionate about that work. And then I also have a third workshop, which is basically working with your angels to attract a soulmate connection and navigating the dating world and everything I did to meet my husband. That's awesome. And then, of course, I have my own podcast called Magic Hour with Taylor Page. You can find us on Spotify, apple Podcasts and YouTube, and those are all my things.

Frank: 1:01:06

Fantastic.

Taylor: 1:01:07

Oh my God, those sound really cool.

Frank: 1:01:08

Thank you so much for talking to us today. Thank you for coming on the pod. Have a great rest of your day and I will talk to you soon.

Taylor: 1:01:13

Thank you, taylor. Awesome Thanks guys. Bye, bye.

Frank: 1:01:21

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