Ep. 17 - Mayor Greg Hines on Shaping a Community with Sports and Entertainment

Embark on a journey through the dynamic landscape of Northwest Arkansas with Mayor Greg Hines of Rogers, who shares the story of an area flourishing with new energy and opportunity. As we navigate the region's cultural and economic metamorphosis, Mayor Hines unveils how Rogers has become a beacon for entertainment and dining, drawing in a wave of newcomers. Engage with us as we celebrate the spirit of NWA's vibrant community, and ponder the delicate balance of preserving its unique charm amidst the exhilarating whirlwind of progress.

Feel the heartbeat of Northwest Arkansas as we delve into the unifying world of sports, where soccer balls roll across cultural lines, creating a tapestry of unity and diversity. Mayor Hines reveals the magnetic pull of athletic pursuits, its power to shape young dreams, and the broader social reverberations that ripple through the community. As we unpack the aspirations and obstacles of budding athletes, we're reminded of the profound ways in which sports can sculpt the cultural contours of a community.

Concluding our exploration, we cast a gaze toward the horizon of NWA, where the seeds of regional collaboration are sprouting into a promising future. Join Mayor Hines and me as we envision a pedestrian-friendly haven, a collective identity that transcends city limits, and the thrilling prospects of a multi-purpose entertainment venue. We're threading the needle to weave together the voices and visions of a community set on ensuring a thriving legacy for Northwest Arkansas. Don't miss this enriching conversation that takes us beyond the brick-and-mortar to the heart of what makes NWA truly remarkable.

Transcript

Wes Harris: 0:04

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Wes Harris: 1:07

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Pitch to Pro podcast. My name is Wes Harris. I'm your host. Managing director for USL Arkansas, Northwest Arkansas's professional soccer club playing in the United Soccer League. We are here today with just an incredible guest. We're very, very fortunate to have him come on. Mr Mayor, Greg Hines of Rogers. Thank you so, so much for joining me today. This is going to be a wonderful chat. I can't wait.

Greg Hines: 1:33

Yeah, it's great to be here with you, wes. Thanks for the invite. I was excited when you reached out and looking forward to sharing a little bit of my thoughts. Is that really to you, wonderful? Wonderful, and a little bit of my thoughts as I relate to you Wonderful, wonderful, Well, this is just great.

Wes Harris: 1:46

So, Mayor Hines, you've done an incredible job, and your team on just the growth that we've done within Rogers. You guys have obviously been a part of everything that NWA has done over the last several years. Can you just shed a little bit of light on some of the things that you're most proud of, some of the big wins that I'm sure people know about? But just to kind of reengage folks and rewrap our heads around where were we? Where have we been? Kind of where we're going from your perspective.

Greg Hines: 2:14

Yeah, so this is my 25th year in elective office, 14th year as mayor. So you know, I've been doing this for a little while and I've seen a lot of change, a lot of transformational change, been doing this for for a little while and I've seen a lot of change, a lot of transformational change, um, not only in in the, the region and what the region looks like and the sort of makeup of the people of the region, um, but sort of the, the spirit of the region. It's been super neat to watch how, what the area that I grew up in it was relatively small and everybody kind of knew everybody, um, and and even the, you know, even the Fortune 500, 100 folks I mean, they were just normal folks that we all grew up with and to see that entrepreneurial spirit, that community spirit, and then to know today, moving years forward, more than 50% of the people that live in Northwest Arkansas did not grow up here Right, and so typically when you see a shift like that, you kind of lose some of maybe what the nostalgic thoughts of people like me that grew up here, and it's just simply not the case. It's like the folks that have come here from other places in the world embrace this um secret, um spirit of Northwest Arkansas and and just sort of replicate it and make it folded into a part of their life. So to me, you know, uh, you know it's all about getting, uh, getting deals done and and and certainly trying to add to to our foray of entertainment and dining, because that's kind of what we've become known as in Northwest Arkansas, where Rogers is kind of the downtown of Northwest Arkansas.

Greg Hines: 3:49

If you're going to, if you're going to be entertained, if you're going to eat out, if you're going to, you know, stay at a hotel, you're likely going to visit here at some point. And so you know, places like Topgolf and ventures like, you know, bass Pro, and those things are huge wins, right, their legacy wins, their anchor wins that allow us to sort of expand without as much probably punching above our weight limit. You know, my grandmother used to laugh before she passed away. She lived in Oklahoma City and she just couldn't believe that she would have to come see her grandson in Rogers, arkansas, to eat at Ruth's Chris. There is no Ruth's Chris in Oklahoma City and she just couldn't believe that she would have to come see her grandson in Rogers, arkansas, to eat at Ruth's Chris. There is no Ruth's Chris in Oklahoma City and so you know there's just things like that that make it special.

Greg Hines: 4:32

They will continue to happen based on where we are sort of ranked within the country now being in that top 100. You know, we're going to get site selectors visits. We don't have to beg to get folks to get on a plane and come here and take a look around, and that comes with. You know, that's good to bat, it's a challenge. It comes with its own set of challenges in and give us a shot for things. You also have to recognize that the rest of the story which is not necessarily the folks that you want to come here they recognize that this is a great place to do business too, because crime's a business as well.

Greg Hines: 5:16

And so we've got this reflection point right now where we've got to figure out how do we continue to guard our community and our place that is so special but at the same time, continue to be so inviting and welcoming folks with open arms. It's going to be a bit of a challenge but hey, I tell my team all the time as good as we have it here. They get down sometimes and everybody does that. Um, but I reminded him of four or five locations that I won't call out today. You could be had this job there, right? So you know we're going to, we're going to meet our challenges with a smile and uh, with an optimistic attitude and and and and. Hopefully you know we're going to get it right more than we get it wrong, and hopefully you know we're going to get it right more than we get it wrong.

Wes Harris: 6:04

Absolutely no, and I think those are great examples and kind of I very much echo that and when I tell people you know there's just something different about the general spirit of the place and how you know, I didn't grow up here but I've been here about a collectively now a decade and can share in, hopefully, that understanding and adoption of what it means to be in and from northwest arkansas. Hopefully and hopefully I do that justice in how I welcome others in and am an advocate for the area, um, and just talk all about how great and special this place is, and so I I very much echo that and it's it's an interesting thing to try to describe to people. It really is, because I've I've lived a lot of different places and I I've never experienced it to the degree that you know I have here and it's by some margin too. So it's hard to describe that until you've been here, it's hard to describe the place. You know and we get the.

Wes Harris: 7:11

You know it starts with a visit, as JR Shaw likes to say, and destination riders and all those things. We just had him on the last podcast and that that for sure is true. People come they see, but to describe the spirit of what it means to be a resident and partake uh is kind of that next step right, and and it's different to describe and explain to people well, I'm glad you find it as hard to describe as I did, because I thought maybe it was just me, um, but but that's, that's kind of uh, it's good to know.

Greg Hines: 7:42

actually it's comforting, I guess I know that that, that it is just something special that's hard to put into words and whether you grew up here or you transported here and you bought into it, it's still hard to figure out what it is.

Wes Harris: 7:55

It's a feeling it is. It's a magical feeling too, to be embraced and welcomed by and large by the general populace. So in a way that is just so above and beyond being kind to your neighbor, and I think that's kind of what you all embody also.

Greg Hines: 8:14

I mean, if you look at the organization, you look at the sort of the mission vision, not league. You know it's league-wide. But even more specific to this footprint here is the intentionality of community. It's a professional sport, it's a huge deal, it's exciting to as many adults as it is children. But you just look across the spectrum and I didn't play soccer it just wasn't a sport that was widely played here. It is now, of course, and I've watched it expand and it developed my own sense of what it means to be a fan.

Greg Hines: 8:55

Of course, ted Lasso probably helped all of us understand on a much bigger level what soccer and how nuts it is at the fan base. But I think that's one of the things that I've really appreciated throughout this process. Trying to get off the ground is just that it's a business right and you're not running a nonprofit. But at the same time there seems to be as much excitement and thought, real thought put into how are we a part of the community as much as can we raise the capital, can this work? Because I think, based on what I'm hearing and what I've observed from kind of your team, is that they know it doesn't matter if it pencils out, that's great, but if you're not part of the community it's not going to be sustainable, and so I just think that's a really, it's a testament to, I think probably what for me looks like this whole package management team, this kind of holistic approach that that's what success usually is bred out of.

Wes Harris: 10:06

So, yeah, no, and thank you, it has been very intentional. Yes, look, listen, we're at the end of the day. We are a business, um, and we need to be such, to continue and make sure that we have this incredible offering to, to bring and be a part of the community. But we are not successful without the support of the community. And how do you? You know the and? And not just support from the community, but it's also about that's the what, but it's also about the how, um, and being, as you've seen, very intentional along the way. We continue to hit on.

Wes Harris: 10:44

It is this is not our club. Everybody wants to know what the name is going to be. That's probably what's the name going to be. What's the name going to be, what's the crest, what's the colors? And we've been very intentional about making sure that we get so much feedback so that we feel good about when we're asked why is the name this? Why is the color this? Why is the name this? Why is the color this? Why is the crest this?

Wes Harris: 11:06

We can point back to our process, which has been involving the community at multiple stages, across multiple mediums, at different times, and truly trying to capture the voice of the different pockets and sectors of our community, across multiple backgrounds and peoples, and that takes time, yeah, and to sift through it. What do people really mean? What do they want? Why do they love NWA? And I think we touched about a little bit about why you and I love Northwest Arkansas it's that, that magic that we feel, that spirit about living here, along with many other things. But that is, to your point, very, very intentional and it's we're really. I'm a big soccer guys. I played soccer nerd, self-professed. Um, ted lasso does a really nice job, by the way, um, so don't ever feel bad about bringing him up and how much you loved it because it was, or you know, if you didn't but, it did that.

Wes Harris: 12:09

That show actually it's crazy because people joke about like, oh, I'm just a ted lasso soccer fan that show did such an incredible job of not just the drama and the action and like the great writing and show, but of of showing what soccer culture is and the highs and lows. But of showing what soccer culture is and the highs and lows of kind of, you know, promotion and relegation, which is a whole other conversation about moving up and down. It's kind of foreign to American sports, but it did a really great job of understanding what soccer culture is and grassroots, in that small pocket community, right, and that's what we're trying to bring here and so we're so excited about and what gets us up in the morning at least our team today is the impact that we can have off the field yeah, that's, and the relationships that we can build with our communities off the field. I love and am so excited about people being passionate and excited about what's going to happen in the games and the matches and coming to the games and the chants and all those things.

Wes Harris: 13:09

Being season ticket holders, holders, we need those things. We want those things. Just know that it's. That's the the meat of of what? Why? Why is it exciting to do what you do, wes, or, or warren, or chris? Um? And it's the power and impact of sport off the field and how we can help unify, uplift and propel our, our, our community, and that's what we're hopefully going to be able to do.

Greg Hines: 13:36

Yeah, and I, and I think you know, I think that's, I think I think soccer, uniquely, above any other sport, really puts you in a place to have a conversation where it's a whole community coming together to support the team or to support a cause. Um, and, and there's just few, there's just few other opportunities that I, that I've been exposed to, that sort of, from a broader perspective, bring everybody together in a, in a, in a common cause, and you, and God knows, in the environment we live in today, regardless where you fall on the political lines or religious lines or any of those things, there's just not a lot that we're all agreeing on and coalescing towards. We can't even agree and coalesce towards. You know peace around the world and what that looks like.

Greg Hines: 14:32

So you know, without taking it to that level, I'm this there's just few opportunities for for you know the someone in the c-suite at tyson, um, you know to, to meet up with someone that just started at their processing plant on old ridge street and and sit in proximity to one another and holler and scream and coalesce behind a team and then how that translates off the field is that the exposure to and invitation to participate in community-driven events and the passion to do that may only be the hook to the team, because you feel obligated, you feel like you owe your team, you know, to to get involved outside of and, and so whatever brings those people together and creates those conversations. Um, you know, it really matters not what started it, it's the product that that you end up with at the end of the day, whether it's build a habitat house or it's, you know, helping some family that's found themselves, you know, in a kind of one time issue which I know y'all have been a part of, and then see how that kind of works.

Wes Harris: 15:45

And so I'm glad you said that. So I'm glad you said that. I mean, a lot of the time what we find is, you know, people are looking or have maybe not overt, but maybe an inherent desire to participate in their community in a different way, in a bigger way than they may have, but they don't feel that connection just yet, you know, to be able to do that, or they don't know how right Um and so, but then they find this, this thing that they're connected to and passionate about, and then they go to maybe one, they, they find that inclination to go and that drive to go, and then they're hooked yeah, um, or now they've known, or now they met somebody, to your point Um, point um, and so it's a connector and a relationship builder in so many different ways, um, and that's what that?

Greg Hines: 16:35

that's the stuff that gets us so excited. Um, it is, and and I gotta say you know, I know this is, you know this isn't a part of of necessarily the what we're talking about today, but you know I was I'm reflected back on on, you know, growing up here in professional sports and what access did I have? Okay, and exposure to professional athletes, which I got to tell you. I mean, if you play any sport, right, I mean being in the presence of or meeting someone, whether it's your hero or not, in the sporting world, is a huge deal for a kid and we kind of forget that as adults.

Greg Hines: 17:11

I'm not waiting in line for autographs from anybody, but I've looked back and I think back when Champions Golf Course first opened, my grandparents were one of the first members, first hundred members of the club and they had a deal here that was aired live on CBS called the Greg Norman Challenge, and they had Greg Norman here and he played a scramble. Or Wayne Gretzky, Yvonne Lindle and Larry Bird played a three man scramble against Greg Norman in a two day event. Just amazing. You know, to be on my home ground and seeing these icons of that represent, you know, a span of four sports.

Greg Hines: 17:47

Um, and then you fast forward today and and I, you know, I go to LPGA with my two daughters, who are now in their twenties, but they've been going since it, you know, since it first started, and and just seeing them be able to be exposed to and be around professional level sports and it it just elevated sort of their own idea of of what sports meant to them and what they could achieve. Now they knew they were going to go off and be Olympic volleyball players, but they could. They could aspire to be right, and I never really had that kind of dream. So it's just really cool to just think about the idea that these young people in our community are going to be around professional baseball players, professional golfers, professional soccer players, and that will be a norm of growing up here, yep, and that's also part of what we aspire to do is within the soccer community is we know that there's a lot of players that may not have an option.

Wes Harris: 18:51

We've done a great job, those clubs have done a great job to elevate and grow the game.

Wes Harris: 18:57

I think that they would all tell you, and they all told us in our listing sessions, that we have kind of a bit of a challenge when those players are ready for that next step, that are really serious about trying to either go pro or serious division one college you know trajectory and looking for something bigger and and and more competitive than maybe what Arkansas can can offer, at least in its current state. Yeah, you know, obviously we're continuing to grow the game every day, but there's also realities in play and they will tell you that they lose players to Kansas City, to Dallas, to Tulsa, or they're driving or their families are moving, in some instances in the extreme. And so how do we help provide, maybe in what the vehicle looks, maybe and how it manifests itself? There's a million ways it can go. So, not necessarily from a structure standpoint, but from an aspirational standpoint, on how do we give them something to aspire to, right here in their backyard, with some level underneath that, whatever that looks like as a pathway.

Wes Harris: 20:08

Create the pathways. That's what we heard from our, our club coaches and directors of coaching and all those, all those folks. So to your point on how do you build that connection to aspiration for the youth within sport and what that does for communities? I think is something special as well. So well, what? What do you? Let's look ahead. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, goals, growth of Rogers of NWA. How do you see us? You know you've talked a little bit in sharing about your excitement about our project, but how do you see us fitting in? How you know, what does this mean for this community?

Greg Hines: 20:50

Yeah, well, I mean. I mean y'all are finding yourselves kind of in the heart of the melon from just a logistical standpoint, location-wise, and we see the projections of the growth of the region and we all know the numbers and we all focus on the kind of one million. Yeah, all know the numbers and we all focus on the kind of one million. Yeah, um, but I'm looking at things now from a different land use perspective, um, from a different planning perspective, because somewhere in northwest arkansas there's is going to be vertical. I mean, you can't have that many people in the region without some pretty serious vertical construction. And even if you don't set your sight on, you know, 30, 40 story buildings, you just think about how do you house that many people? And that requires vertical construction. That is, you know, likely not stick built and more readaptive use type construction which is long term, better for any city in America. But we think that's us of our rewrites and our land use and currently our codes that will likely at least be the first community to be looked at for that type of development, because it's going to be available here and you're not going to have to jump through hoops to get to it, and so, you know, as that continues to build out, you are going to see this area that we're in right now is a very much more walkable, bikeable, um, you know, pedestrian, just very pedestrian friendly, and it will be. It won't be, it won't be abnormal to pull up to a stoplight and see people waiting for the crosswalk. You know, now we look across the people did their car break down? You know, like why? Why are they out there? Why, you know, which is is so crazy. If you go to, you know, a major metro area, I mean everybody, everybody's walking around. You know where you're dodging the taxi cabs, um, and so I think is is this area, because it becomes that you guys are more of a neighbor, you're just part of the fabric of a neighborhood, right, exactly, and so to, that's pretty special, it's pretty neat, and because of the geographic location you're in, you're attached to Midtown and Uptown raunchers, you're kind of right on the edge of both of those things, and so I think you're going to be seen granularly as this is my little, this is my neighborhood entertainment, and then, as you move out, obviously you know, uh, you know someone in favor. Well, this is our, this is our, our team. You'll start northwest arkansas team. So you know, it's not about roger springdale, mittenville, fayetteville, silo springs well, this isue, name the city, it's about the region, it's about Northwest Arkansas. It has to be.

Greg Hines: 23:54

You know, we, all you know we joke all the time that it'd be nice if we could get more regionalism driven. You know that it hurts us sometimes when we're these four competing major cities along the corridor and I said, hey, I'm all for regionalism, we can merge them all as long as I'm the mayor, so I'm cool with it, right. But all joking aside, I do think that what I've seen transform over the last number of decades is a really intentional, intentionally working towards regionalistic solutions for, for problems that we all face. Because, um, you know, we just we can't do it individually. And I saw what the naturals meant when it came here on the, on the you're kind of in the throes of of the last holdout, friday night lights them against us.

Greg Hines: 24:51

You know, um, and and and they didn't get the benefit of feeling a region coalesce around a team. It was the springdale natural, you know. Now that's changed, I think, sure, but it's a very slow progression based on where the community was then. You guys, I mean, I have it. I have to fight for an identity that it's even in rogers right, which I love. Okay, because that means the community in the region. You know they bought it as a regional amenity and a regional brand and um, and so for that reason that's super exciting to me because, again, there's just not a lot of examples of that that you can point to and I think as well.

Wes Harris: 25:35

It's. We are in that a little bit of that transition phase, um, as a region and how do we talk about ourselves as a region and build things together, and the growth and birth of you know, and what the NWA council does and how they bring the region together and work together towards some bigger projects, I think are all incredible examples and I think you're right on kind of that transition phase period which I think people you know start talking about it now as a region and and where do they live? And there's they're starting to become less of that back and forth which you know. I think, again, you, you can have pros and cons with every, every transition. It's about how you face those together and rally around, uh, you know, with with open minds, open hearts, um, and open eyes and and try to find the good in everything and silver lining. So, yeah, uh, and deal with the challenges together, which I think we are um. So back to your you know some of your previous comments is, you know, deal with them with us, come to our challenges with a smile and together, and I think we'll be in a good place. I agree, and so that's great.

Wes Harris: 26:44

Coming back to just your point there on feeling like this is where we're located and how they're just a part of my community and this is what it is and that's exactly what we want and I think to build on that is, you know, this, this facility that we're aspiring to to put together is going to be for a lot more than just soccer, um, and yes, soccer again very excited over here, and that's that's what's going to stand, that up, uh, but that's maybe 40, 50 nights of the year, but when you've got men's and women's uh combined, uh in in full seasons, you know, full throws, full swing of things, 40, 50 nights a year.

Wes Harris: 27:24

There's obviously 300, 315, 350 more, depending on on the, on how you look at it, that we can use for how? How do we integrate this thing into the fabric of what we're doing in so many different cool events? And how do we bring that to that space and make it a community space and a solution set for, you know, our, our residents all over, not just rogers, you know, all over nwa? How do we make sure that we use that so that it is a true community staple and benefit and building and not just a soccer stadium?

Greg Hines: 27:59

yeah, and, and I and I started to say this earlier, but then I kind of backed off when- I started to say that it's my neighborhood.

Greg Hines: 28:06

I started to say it's my neighborhood entertainment venue. It is, but it's not my call to make, it's not my brand to form, but to me, yes, it's got all these other adaptive uses that really will. You know, there's plenty of good ideas in how these things work in other places, absolutely Right. So there's playbooks. That does, you know, a million. But it also has to sort of work its way into the Northwest Arkansas way of doing things Correct, of work its way into the northwest arkansas way of doing things correct. And so you know, I think that's another really cool point, that a recognized point on y'all's behalf, is just that you know, there's a playbook and there's a way to pencil all this stuff out and we're going to do that.

Greg Hines: 28:54

But we want to make sure that there's a plenty of room left for what is our community? What, what, what, what are the people of of northwest arkansas want to see or don't have as much access to as they would like? Or you know, and, and you know, one of the things that comes to mind it's obviously, you know, top of mind for any venue like this is, of course, you know, live entertainment, music, and you know we have the am you know, huge venue, uh, outdoor pavilion. Um, we, we just remodeled and have you know our old historic theater downtown that we're doing, uh, concerts at. You'll favor bedmill, as momentary fate will have you know, everybody at art center. You've got all these different venues that all sort of attract and or attach to certain types of performers. There's a niche in the size of this venue and and the uniqueness of that it's it's pretty close you, you'd be pretty intimate, but it still can pack a big crowd.

Wes Harris: 29:56

Especially if you put people on the field, you can fit at the beginning. You know roughly 15, 17 000 people yeah, somewhere in that ballpark.

Greg Hines: 30:04

You know that's big, that's a big, a big venue, so I'm curious to see how it's.

Greg Hines: 30:08

You know how that's going to play out, um you know with with different shows, that you know, because that's it when the amp first started, that was kind of how they they could get some pretty big names, was that? You know, it was just these bands were between two big cities and we're just begging to be just a two-day stop off, you know, or a quick stop, quick stop along the way, um, and you know that's not as much the case now, um, as it was before, but but I think I just, you know, I think that'll be interesting to see what are, what is this? What gap does this fill that that we don't, don't already know we're missing out on?

Wes Harris: 30:44

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. It's listen, we want to use the space and use it, program the. You know what have it and that's our goal. And how do we ingrain that and be a part of a solution set, or even just something new and exciting to host an event at, or whatever the case may be? But it needs to be the Northwest Arkansas way. It needs to be complimentary. It can't be cannibalistic, it can't be stepping on toes and not playing well in the sandbox. The AMP is there.

Wes Harris: 31:19

It has been phenomenal to watch that grow. I lived right next to it in the JCPenney parking lot in Northwest Arkansas mall years ago and to see the evolution and growth into what we have today, I mean, my goodness, just incredible. And so if we even come close to that, we reach out to them, we work with them, not against them. Even come close to that, we reach out to them, we work with them, not against them. Um, that's absolutely just not how we're going to do things.

Wes Harris: 31:45

Uh, as part of our club and and you know that's just again goes back to we're in this together. How do we play well together and and continue to uplift and bring new solutions and different levers that we can pull and fund new entertainment things. Who knows what the case may be, but we would love, you know, invite the community along the way to, to come up with some ideas and help us down the path and and be be part of the process again, and so that's exactly the goal. We love the, the chance that we have to be able to do that, and so I think we'll we'll do some pretty special things.

Greg Hines: 32:22

Yeah, I do, I do too. I feel pretty comfortable that uh, that we'll have some pretty class act, uh, entertainment absolutely well, mayor hines.

Wes Harris: 32:30

Thank you so much, sir. This has been just an outstanding conversation. Really appreciate you taking the time and thank you for everything that you're doing for rogers and for northwest arkansas at large. I appreciate it. Thank you, it's a you're doing for Rogers and for Northwest Arkansas at large.

Greg Hines: 32:41

I appreciate it, Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here with you and I'll look forward to doing it again.

Wes Harris: 32:45

Thank you so much and to everybody, all of our listeners, remember you can find us at USL Arkansas on all platforms and listen to the podcast at Pitch to Pro, on wherever you may listen to your podcast Until next time, thanks. Northwest Arkansas Cheers you, you.