In America, Pastors are resigning at an alarming rate of over 1500 every month. What is going on? What needs to happen to change this alarming statistic? In this episode, Dr. Ray Self interviews Pastor Bob Levins who has over 40 years of ministry experience, has been through the burnout, and understands the problem. In his discussion with Dr. Self,  Pastor Bob has a frank conversation about what is causing pastors to give up. He also gives us some practical and reassuring tips on what we can do to stop the trend. Don’t miss this extraordinary episode.