Climate Change (Timeless)

This time out the guys tackle climate change and the Christian response to it.  We put it into a Biblical context, including stewardship of creation, man's role in the world according to God's design, and the impact of climate change policy of people everywhere, including the church.

Climate Change: No, It’s Not a 97 Percent Consensus | [site:name] | National Review

https://youtu.be/M8iEEO2UIbA?si=VMgnj-4hilZ5i0y9

Other notes - 
Malthusian Catastrophe.  Thomas Malthus first claimed in 1798 that the population was growing too large for the earth to support.

https://fee.org/articles/there-s-no-need-to-curb-population-growth-here-s-why/

Paul Ehrlich repeated Malthus’ claim in 1968 in his book, “The Population Bomb.”

Simon-Ehrlich Wager:

Julian Simon bet Paul Ehrlich that resources would be cheaper in 1990 than in 1980.

https://fee.org/articles/how-julian-simon-won-1-000-bet-with-population-bomb-author-paul-ehrlich/

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Transcript

Greg [00:00:04]:
Interesting story. Interesting story. My wife's listening to her podcast, and she says, I have one suggestion for you guys. Okay. If you guys say that's gonna get cut, would you make sure that that gets cut? No.

Dave [00:00:16]:
I think it's it's more fun to leave it in.

Greg [00:00:19]:
Yeah. Okay. So she's gonna hear this part. Honey, I love you. Honey, I love you. You're the best. But that, Ali, will cut.

Dave [00:00:27]:
Cut that.

Chad [00:00:27]:
Yeah. That I will cut.

Greg [00:00:29]:
Oh, okay.

Dave [00:00:32]:
No sucking up to to wives on this podcast.

Chad [00:00:35]:
And and the I just need to I just need to

Dave [00:00:37]:
to to make a statement. I'm just glad my mother listens to this.

Greg [00:00:41]:
And

Chad [00:00:41]:
I wasn't being disingenuous. Mhmm. So, yeah, I you know what? I am gonna cut that. And in the ultimate meta joke, I won't cut any of this, which will make it even worse.

Dave [00:00:56]:
My mind just got blown. Right? Yep. That's it. Just blew my mind right there. I am excited about tonight's topic. Are you? I'm very excited. Well, before we good stuff.

Chad [00:01:32]:
Before we get into it, what's everybody what's everybody been up to lately? Up to lately. Well, we finished

Dave [00:01:41]:
up our collegiate season. Okay. Cool. So that, and I happen to be one of the many, many teams and players and coaches who are not happy at the end of the season. Because if you don't win a championship, you're not happy. Right. We did win a championship. Although, it was an improved season so

Chad [00:02:01]:
that's good. That's good. Good stuff. Now, like, I was at a game where you were coaching Mhmm. And one of the non male contestants had a wild ball come and almost take my head off. Now I deflected it. Mhmm. But I feel like there's a lot of pain and suffering there.

Chad [00:02:19]:
And I'm just wondering if there's any kind of compensation that's Compensation for your Yeah.

Dave [00:02:25]:
The compensation was the free ticket you got for coming this year because I got you a free ticket for

Chad [00:02:29]:
the game. True. Yes. So shut me up and

Dave [00:02:32]:
the fact that it developed your your waning athletic skills as an old man.

Chad [00:02:37]:
Waning? Old? What are you talking about? I can I can still run with the youngsters at the soccer True story? So you were in

Greg [00:02:46]:
the stands, like, 75 feet away from the play?

Chad [00:02:50]:
No. No. I was, like, in the 5

Dave [00:02:52]:
to 30 feet. 4th row.

Greg [00:02:53]:
25 feet. So this ball that was coming at you at a blistering speed of, like, 40 miles an hour Yeah. You were able to use

Dave [00:03:04]:
your lightning and Yeah. Skills.

Greg [00:03:06]:
Lightning reflex.

Chad [00:03:07]:
Actually, I'm gonna say that was lightning reflexes because I was actually disciplining one of my sons at the time.

Greg [00:03:13]:
So it was cat like reflexes. Was already

Dave [00:03:17]:
in an upward motion. And instead

Chad [00:03:19]:
of a spanking, I Oh,

Greg [00:03:22]:
okay. Alright.

Dave [00:03:23]:
Dodged the ball.

Chad [00:03:24]:
I bumped it.

Dave [00:03:25]:
Dodge duck. Duck dodge. Dodge. Duck. Dodge. And dodging wrenches or something.

Chad [00:03:32]:
No. That was one of those true spidey sense moments where

Greg [00:03:35]:
I know why.

Dave [00:03:36]:
Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I think our player hit the ball across the net, and it went off the arms of the opponents opponent, you know, opposing defender, and it went off into the crowd. So Exactly. So it's not like we shanked it. And right. They shank.

Chad [00:03:51]:
They they yeah. The other team shanked it. And I guess that's that's why I want to come back to the potential compensation because I wouldn't go after you and me. Personally? Yeah. No. Yeah. Not not you or the or the nice university that gave me the tickets. I'm just wondering if the opposing team should if I should follow-up with them.

Chad [00:04:07]:
Yeah. I think you're welcome to do that.

Dave [00:04:10]:
This would be a really interesting lawsuit. I almost got hit by a ball. What damage has occurred? My ego. Yes. But that's

Greg [00:04:20]:
definitely for you. Your lightning reflexes had been activated because you had just told your son it was go time.

Chad [00:04:26]:
Yes. Go time.

Dave [00:04:27]:
Yep. I like that callback.

Chad [00:04:28]:
It's go time, young man. Alright.

Dave [00:04:30]:
It's go time, baby. Okay. Let's do this.

Chad [00:04:33]:
Let's That's not the topic for tonight. The topic for tonight or this morning or this afternoon or this evening, whenever you happen to be watching this, listening to this Mhmm. Whenever you happen to be listening to this, is climate change and a Christian response to climate change? Like global cooling? And global warming. Global warming. And climate change.

Greg [00:04:57]:
Okay.

Chad [00:04:58]:
And global moderation.

Dave [00:04:59]:
We just answer yes, the climate changes. We could.

Greg [00:05:03]:
It does. We could. So we're trying to stop it.

Chad [00:05:07]:
It seems like there's 3 basic prevailing thoughts. 1, it's not happening. 2, it's happening, but we don't need to do anything about it because we're not causing it. And then 3, people are causing it. People can stop it, and here's the prescription for how to stop it. So that seems to be the 3 potential responses available, unless I'm missing 1.

Dave [00:05:35]:
Yeah. I I guess that's probably true. But so so why are we talking about global climb? I mean, climate changes instead of global warming. Yeah. It's a very good question. Because I mean, nobody's gonna argue that climate changes. Like, we had the mini ice age back once in the 1400. I forget exactly when that was, but, you know, this supposed mini ice age, which if I understand that correctly, that was caused by different

Chad [00:06:01]:
Currents? Currents.

Dave [00:06:02]:
Thank you. The the shifting of currents in the in the Atlantic and up in the Baltic, and that caused huge drop in temperature, which, by the way, drops in temperature are way more deadly than rises in temperature, which

Chad [00:06:14]:
is This is true. Something to

Dave [00:06:15]:
be talked about too, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. But Right.

Chad [00:06:19]:
Yeah. And I think, 18/20 or 18/21 was the so called year without a summer, and I believe that one was due to volcanic activity. Oh, sure. Yeah. Sure.

Dave [00:06:30]:
Thrown up and blocked the

Chad [00:06:31]:
Yeah. Exactly. And I believe there are this was about 15 or 20 years before the first photographs were taken. So there are lithographs and paintings of people skating on the Potomac River near Washington DC on the 4th July. Wow. Because it was frozen over, and that's what people were doing that year.

Dave [00:06:53]:
See, the seventies were right. I remember anybody else remember the global cooling fear? Oh, yeah. Mhmm. I I'm doctor Spok. I mean, not doctor, mister Spok

Greg [00:07:02]:
Yes.

Dave [00:07:02]:
Talking to us about global cooling.

Chad [00:07:04]:
Yeah. There was that. And so, like, I went to a poor rural school district. And so I went in the 19 eighties to elementary school, but all of our textbooks were 10 to 15 years old. And so it was all about, you know, the topsoil is gonna be gone by the year 2000. Acid rain. Acid rain and GDT. Global Cooling.

Chad [00:07:25]:
Here it comes.

Dave [00:07:26]:
Is DDT part of those text books too?

Chad [00:07:28]:
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Greg [00:07:30]:
So it interesting story. Interesting story. My wife's listening to her podcast, and she says, I have one suggestion for you guys. Okay. If you guys say that's gonna get cut, would you

Dave [00:07:42]:
make sure that that gets cut? No. I think it's it's more fun to

Chad [00:07:46]:
Yeah. To him.

Greg [00:07:47]:
Yeah. Okay. So she's gonna hear this part. Honey, I love you. Honey, I love you. You're the best. But That, Ali, will we

Dave [00:07:54]:
should cut that.

Chad [00:07:55]:
Yeah. That, I will cut.

Greg [00:07:56]:
Oh, okay.

Dave [00:08:00]:
No sucking up to to lives on this podcast.

Chad [00:08:02]:
And and the I just need to

Dave [00:08:04]:
I just need to to to make a statement. I'm just glad my mother listens to this.

Greg [00:08:08]:
And I wasn't being disingenuous.

Chad [00:08:10]:
Mhmm. So, yeah, I you know what? I am gonna cut that. And in the ultimate meta joke, I won't cut any of this, which will make it even worse.

Dave [00:08:24]:
My mind just got blown. Right? Yep. That's it. Just blew my mind right there. How'd we

Chad [00:08:30]:
get on that

Dave [00:08:31]:
for global warming?

Chad [00:08:32]:
I don't

Dave [00:08:33]:
know. Climate climate change. Let's get back to climate change. Change. That is genius. It is. It is for sure.

Chad [00:08:45]:
To climate change. Climate change. So, yeah, interestingly No. 3 responses you're saying. Yeah. Three responses. I wanna propose a 4th. Okay.

Chad [00:08:53]:
What do we got?

Greg [00:08:54]:
The 4th one is that climate change is real, and we need to do something about it. But in doing something about it, we're going to engineer behaviors and, and and enact agendas in the course of doing something about it. Right. Right. And I think that falls under the category of 1

Chad [00:09:14]:
of the other ones, but it's a it's a it's a it's a much better, more elaborate description that that kinda gets into a little bit more detail about what that always entails.

Greg [00:09:24]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:09:24]:
So we got a lot we got a lot to tackle. Yeah. So is climate change real? And if it is real, what is it really? Right? And then what is the political agenda of those who are trying to ram it down our throats? And then 3, what's a biblical response as Christians? 2, the notion of, 1, can we control the environment? And do we influence it? And then if so, what does God say about our responsibility as believers to steward the Earth if you wanna call that. Yeah. So, yeah, some good stuff. Yeah. So what is climate change?

Chad [00:10:08]:
What is it? It's I don't even know anymore. It used to be global cooling, like we said, then it was global warming. That was just climate change.

Dave [00:10:16]:
I'm just glad after 2012, Florida isn't isn't just one big

Chad [00:10:22]:
Yeah. Shallow ocean. I guess I fall into the the responses of I'm not convinced that it's I know that human beings impact the environment, but I'm not convinced that climate change is completely happening.

Dave [00:10:38]:
Right.

Chad [00:10:39]:
Just because

Dave [00:10:41]:
when you say climate change is happening, you don't mean the climate doesn't change. Right. You mean that human caused catastrophic climate change.

Chad [00:10:49]:
The human caused catastrophic climate change, I don't really believe that. Just because, the actual amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere hasn't changed that much, and you can get a much closer parallel historically through, like, the ice core examples and everything else. You can get a much closer, parallel between the climate and solar activity Yes. Than you can c o two levels, which don't change that much.

Dave [00:11:24]:
Yeah. And it's yeah. Yeah. And when you doctor things like

Chad [00:11:32]:
data Right.

Dave [00:11:33]:
By tweaking, 97% of scientists believe in climate change, that humans affect climate change. Yeah. That's like saying how many scientists believe that gravity pulls things down towards the center of the earth? You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, we all believe that. Mhmm. But the question is okay at what level? Right. And is it catastrophic? Yeah. And finally, people are starting to speak up, it seems to me.

Chad [00:11:58]:
Yeah. That's kinda nice. And we will have some links for some sources in the, in the description down below. So, for for most

Dave [00:12:07]:
of what we're talking about here. So Yeah. But the solar activity, the the correlation between solar activity and solar flares and temperature on the Earth does seem to correlate pretty highly. Yeah. And then you have things like ocean currents that are causing stuff at El Nino and that kind of stuff. Yeah. But I the the anecdotal nature of the arguments for climate change today are just really bad. You have wildfires, many of which were started by arsonists.

Dave [00:12:42]:
Yeah. And you go, oh, it's because of climate change, and there's you open your borders, and you illegally you have people illegally coming up into your country, and you go, oh, it's because of climate change Right. In Central America and South America. Okay. And that's our fault as a country because we're the most industrialized country. So, therefore, we owe it to them to let them into the country or whatever, but, you know, whatever. I mean, I've heard it all even though hurricanes are not increasing.

Greg [00:13:14]:
Mhmm.

Chad [00:13:15]:
Yeah. That's my other issue is predictability. Is, like, in 2005 after Katrina came through and annihilated, parts of Louisiana, everyone said, we're gonna get, like, 3 of these a year.

Greg [00:13:30]:
Right.

Chad [00:13:31]:
And we did not have another hurricane make landfall in the continental United States for years after that. Mhmm.

Dave [00:13:37]:
I mean, it was a span. That's, see, that's global weirding. I've actually heard people say I don't know if you've heard this argument.

Chad [00:13:45]:
I have not heard this. So that's part of

Dave [00:13:48]:
the proof. See, everything that you can say that is proof one way or the other, you can use it anecdotally the other direction. Right. Well, we would expect that, but see, part of the predictive model of global climate change is that things will become weird. And so if there's a break in hurricanes, well, that's because of global climate change too, and that's humanly caused.

Greg [00:14:11]:
And if the winter is colder, that's just proof that climate is quite getting out of control. And if if a winter is because global warming is supposed to lead to more moisture in the air. But if a if a season is drier, that's just more proof of the of the weirdness of so I I think there's no doubt that mankind is capable of marring the planet, and mankind has has scarred the planet immensely. Oh, definitely. But North America, the waters, the forests are more pristine now than they've been probably since the sometime in the 1800. They were just in the late 1800, the forests were just completely clear cut. And then as industrialization ramped up, the waters were just ravaged. In the in the seventies, you wouldn't dare swim in Lake Erie in parts of Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.

Greg [00:15:17]:
Mhmm. And now they're they're clean. Yeah. Yeah. They're pristine, and, and we've done a remarkable job of reversing that. I remember the big thing. So this was my callback. Or my thing earlier.

Greg [00:15:31]:
I was trying to segue when I said back in 5th grade what I learned. Mhmm. It was acid rain. Yeah. That was the huge thing to be afraid of when I was in 5th grade was acid rain Mhmm. Was going to destroy the forests. When was the last time you heard about acid rain?

Chad [00:15:52]:
Never. Nope.

Dave [00:15:52]:
I haven't heard of it.

Greg [00:15:53]:
Because we got control of that pollution, and and that's not a problem now because we're taking better care of things. So carbon emissions, you know, I I'm really not smart enough to pay that close enough attention to it. But what I do know is that the benefits of the industrialization of the world, the people that have been brought out of poverty by that industrialization, the lifespan, the life expectancy that has increased because of that, the quality of life that has increased because of that, by far outweighs this minuscule increase of carbon emissions that may cause a point 5 or a one degree increase in the temperature that may cause a little bit of water to rise and may cause some people to end up being displaced. We're still all going to be better off for it. Yeah. Mhmm. Immensely better off. And and fixing the planet, I don't think is the real agenda.

Dave [00:17:05]:
No. No. I don't

Greg [00:17:06]:
think The real agenda is social justice Yep. And income justice. And but but even those terms aren't really about justice. They're about the elite group of people controlling things Yeah. And and saying how things should be. Flying to Davos and private jets that put out more carbon.

Dave [00:17:28]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Chad [00:17:29]:
Of course. Then that's where their personal security,

Dave [00:17:31]:
though, because they're really important people, more important than you and me.

Chad [00:17:35]:
Oh, absolutely. When I was a kid and the big thing was global cooling, everyone thought the world was getting colder, so the solution was

Dave [00:17:45]:
rank out the carbon.

Chad [00:17:47]:
No. No. It was well, actually, there's a couple of solutions that were out there. It was to stop using cars, stop using coal, and don't do nuclear.

Dave [00:17:58]:
That was That

Chad [00:17:59]:
was the solution. And then a few years later

Dave [00:18:02]:
Why not nuclear? I don't get

Chad [00:18:03]:
I a very good question. A few years later, global warming. What's the solution? Stop using cars. Stop using coal. Don't use nuclear.

Dave [00:18:13]:
But you're gonna you but you're gonna be happy.

Chad [00:18:16]:
Yeah. I guess.

Dave [00:18:17]:
You're not gonna own anything, and you're gonna

Chad [00:18:19]:
be happy. It it just seems like if the problem changed, the solution should change too. Right? No. I guess not.

Dave [00:18:30]:
I had no.

Chad [00:18:31]:
But so, yeah, this this kinda goes with what Greg said is it's a solution in search of a problem. So the solution is socialism or neo Marxism, and the problem is whatever we say it is. Yeah. That's a good way

Dave [00:18:48]:
to say it, a solution in search of a problem. Yeah. Can I can I share my little thing about the Legos? Absolutely. So if anybody tries to make the argument on on hurricanes Mhmm. And you can just pull out the data on the number of hurricanes has actually decreased in the last number of years. And, you see, but but the fact is hurricanes have done way, way more damage.

Greg [00:19:15]:
Right.

Dave [00:19:15]:
They're they're they're steadily increasing in intensity because, look, the hurricanes in the 19 fifties only did, you know, $50,000,000 worth of damage. And then, you know, nowadays, they're doing 100 of 1,000,000 dollars of damage 1,000,000. Or in the billions. Probably more accurate to say that. A nice way of demonstrating that is to just kinda go, okay. Take a hairdryer, set up, like, 50 Legos, you know, vertically so that would blow over and put the hairdryer on them and then watch them blow over and go, that's $50,000,000 worth of damage. And then put up 150 Legos and take the same hair dry at the same intensity of speed and blow them over and say that's what's happening. The problem isn't hurricane isn't getting worse.

Dave [00:20:07]:
We're just there's more there's more development along the coastline. And so it doesn't mean that the hurricanes are actually getting worse. It just means there's more there. There's more Legos there Right. For the for the hurricanes to blow over or more houses to do damage to. Yeah.

Chad [00:20:23]:
Well and that's that's that's a very good, example. And going along with what Greg said about development. What's the contents of a house in 1950?

Greg [00:20:34]:
Mhmm.

Chad [00:20:34]:
A furnace, some furniture, maybe ATV, probably a radio, basic appliances, beds, the end. Yeah. Like, 6 changes of clothes. Yeah. And now today, 20 to 30 changes of clothes per person.

Dave [00:20:54]:
Probably a TV in every bedroom, sadly.

Chad [00:20:57]:
2 or 3 computers, all sorts of devices, smart devices.

Dave [00:21:02]:
If it's a family with 2.5 kids. Yeah. Way more computers.

Chad [00:21:07]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But you you've got the contents are very different, and there's no equivalent of a,

Greg [00:21:14]:
you know, $80,000 Tesla sitting in the garage either. So, yeah, I remember reading over the summer of all of all of these insurance companies that were pulling out of Florida. Mhmm. And and it would be it would be big news that this insurance company is no longer going to cover, homeowners in Florida. And this is because of the threat of climate change and the increase in this. No, it's not. It's because so much has built up in these dangerous areas that it is now too great of a risk to insure it. It's not that it's not that the danger is greater.

Greg [00:21:55]:
It's that we have put so much more in that area of risk. Mhmm. That that's all it is.

Dave [00:22:02]:
Thinking about, okay, so what we'll do is in our hubris as humans, we'll just say, hey. We can out engineer mother nature, God's nature. Right? So what we're gonna do is we're gonna build a bunch of dams and levees, and we're gonna make all this property in air quotes usable, and we're gonna build probably fair to say 1,000,000,000 of dollars worth of homes and residences and businesses there. And then we're not gonna take care of those lobbies very well. And I'm not talking about the town we're living in. I'm talking about Louisiana. Right? But both apply. Mhmm.

Dave [00:22:38]:
And then when the levies break under the stress because you haven't taken care of them now, how many 1,000,000, 1,000,000,000 of dollars with the damage happened and how many people died Yeah. When maybe if we hadn't built in the floodplains in the first place? Yep. Maybe it would have been just smarter

Chad [00:22:56]:
to let flood plains be flood plains because they kind of are natural buffer zones for. No. And not to not to go after Louisiana in particular or New Orleans or whatever. There there is a certain hubris to it because if you go back to the Roman Empire, which I know dudes love to think about the Roman Empire.

Dave [00:23:15]:
I thought about it 5 times a day.

Chad [00:23:17]:
Oh my goodness.

Greg [00:23:18]:
I was thinking about it on my way here.

Chad [00:23:20]:
Yeah. So if you go back to the Roman Empire, at the height of its power, there were ruins. There were cities where a volcano would pop off, and they'd be like, well, won't build that one. Yep. We won't build there again. That's a bad spot and they moved on vacation in the Subiacs.

Dave [00:23:39]:
Yeah. Cheap real estate. That's right. So, yeah, how often can a volcano go off anyway? Lightning can't

Greg [00:23:45]:
sound good where we

Dave [00:23:46]:
live. Right? Build it build it in the floodplain.

Chad [00:23:49]:
And I don't want to bash New Orleans or Louisiana or America, but there is a certain hubris that goes with, you know, this this notion. And there's other countries that do it too. Like, what was it? Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark. They all have these big projects to push out into the sea, and then, I mean, China's got a chain of artificial islands out in the Pacific. That's just asking for it. But so can I tell a story about Japan? Sure.

Dave [00:24:14]:
When I was growing up as a missionary kid.

Chad [00:24:16]:
Oh, ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. There we go.

Dave [00:24:18]:
So there's actually a town called Portopia. And when when I was there right before we left, they opened it up. They were putting houses. They were selling houses out there. They had an amusement park, We went out as a family to to enjoy the amusement park. It was first first place I rode a roller coaster. Oh, cool. It was in Portopia, Japan, and I if I remember it correctly, it didn't do so well in the long run

Chad [00:24:45]:
because And this was an artificial?

Dave [00:24:47]:
This was oh, yeah. Totally filled in artificial island made in Japan. And there was a I don't know if it's called Nagano. I can't remember the name of the airport that they built out in on a man made island that just kept leaking water. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Didn't go too well. I had to get my Japanese roots for you guys to make it.

Chad [00:25:06]:
No. That's good. No. That's that's a relevant story too. So what whatever happened to Portopia?

Dave [00:25:11]:
To be honest, I don't know. I could I I should research it. It'd be interesting. I have to look this up.

Chad [00:25:16]:
Yeah. Yeah. I got time.

Dave [00:25:18]:
While you're doing that, let me let's talk about the carbon thing because there's a really interesting scientist, and we could probably put notes in this in the show notes, but there's a scientist, physicist from Princeton. He's gotta be retired by now, who even as early as 10 years ago was claiming that the carbon problem is in fact not a problem and that the way increased carbon in the atmosphere helps the earth is that it makes it greener. And he he would say, we don't have global warming. We have global greening. Literally, you can see more forests developing so that he might not use these words, but God designed Earth as a system that balances itself out over time

Chad [00:26:06]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:26:07]:
Because he designed it. Right? This physicist has gone back and said, look, we've had times in the earth where pre industrialization, the carbon levels in the atmosphere were 4 times that of what we have now. Mhmm. And it's this was before the industrial revolution. So you can't blame Yeah. The carbon levels. You can't automatically say that it's bad that the humans have pumped carbon in the atmosphere. Right.

Dave [00:26:34]:
When it's such a small, small, small, small miniscule part of our atmosphere.

Chad [00:26:38]:
So, yeah, there's some interesting stuff there too. Indeed. Indeed. I'm not finding Portopia, Japan.

Dave [00:26:45]:
Okay. I'll you know what? My sister might know. I'll I'll text my sister tonight. Maybe we can do an update in another episode.

Chad [00:26:52]:
Oh, okay. Portopia episode. Hold on. I Port Island. I think I just found it.

Dave [00:26:58]:
Sweet.

Chad [00:26:58]:
An artificial island in Chiuoku, Kobe, Japan.

Dave [00:27:03]:
Yep. That's where I was born, Kobe, not on Portopia.

Chad [00:27:07]:
That's why you've never run for president. That's cute. The the good thing about America is that anyone can be president. The bad thing about America and the last 2 have proved this, Anyone can be president. So, anyways, this island was constructed between 1966 and 1980. Phase 2 was built 1987 to 2009.

Dave [00:27:33]:
Oh, so I was I was gone by 87. So Yeah. So I didn't see faces.

Chad [00:27:39]:
Yeah. And this was opened with an exposition called Portopia 81.

Dave [00:27:44]:
That was when I went and visited. There you go. That's it.

Chad [00:27:47]:
Bang. Very cool. At the tender young age of 24.

Greg [00:27:50]:
Okay.

Dave [00:27:51]:
You know? I was Oh. I think I was 12. Okay. Eighty 1. Yeah. I'd have been 12 or you know,

Chad [00:27:57]:
I was 12. I'm trying to overage you. I'm sorry.

Dave [00:28:00]:
It's not good. I I look much younger than that. You do.

Greg [00:28:04]:
You were twice as old as me. No. You were?

Dave [00:28:08]:
Oh, yeah. Well, okay. So you were 6 at the time.

Greg [00:28:10]:
Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

Dave [00:28:11]:
I I misheard you. I thought you

Greg [00:28:12]:
said Back when you well, you know why you misheard me? Because because I'm old.

Dave [00:28:17]:
Because I'm twice as old as you. Yes. That was good.

Greg [00:28:22]:
Your hearing's the second thing to go. Oh, what's the first? I can't remember.

Dave [00:28:29]:
I I want you to know my dad's gonna appreciate that joke. He That was good. Jokes.

Greg [00:28:32]:
I mean, I said that for your dad. Good. It's good.

Dave [00:28:36]:
Dad, that was for you. We're we're guaranteed one listener. Well, my mom will listen too. Okay. That's cool. Do everything together.

Greg [00:28:43]:
Hi, mom. Hi, dad.

Chad [00:28:45]:
Hey, Dave's mom. Hey, Dave's dad. Lots of love.

Dave [00:28:48]:
Indeed. LOL. Lots of love.

Chad [00:28:56]:
So good. So those of you that don't know, there's a there's an Internet meme going around where it's like somebody says, hey. Your uncle your uncle Ted died. LOL. And the person texts back and says, why are you saying LOL? Well, it means lots of love, doesn't it? No, mom. It means means laugh out loud. Oh, no. I have to text a bunch of people.

Chad [00:29:19]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:29:20]:
Yeah. So LOL, mom.

Chad [00:29:24]:
The other the other thing that strikes me about global warming, and I see this with both believers, but especially with nonbelievers. Mhmm. And we haven't really touched on, you know, Christians that follow global warming and are all in on all the stuff, but let's leave that alone for now. We might come around to it later. Might?

Greg [00:29:43]:
Okay. We will. Sorry.

Dave [00:29:45]:
You can't let that go, can we?

Chad [00:29:47]:
Okay. But, you know, you know, a tree by its fruit, and I look at nonbelievers that follow global warming and believe it. And, you know, they believed that 2012 was the point of no return when, you know, vice president Al Gore said that. And then later, they believe 2023 was appointed no return when

Dave [00:30:12]:
Mhmm.

Chad [00:30:12]:
Greta Thunberg said it and then later deleted the 20 the tweet, you know, almost at the end of 2023. How dare you. I know. And, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean, there there's, like, a long list of people that have said the world be will be over by x, and x is a date that is close by, but a little distant. And it seems like it just leads to this kind of crippling depression of hopelessness. Mhmm. And we're screwed.

Chad [00:30:42]:
The previous generation screwed us. They suck. We can't do anything about it. And, you know, every time the wrong law passes or the right law doesn't pass, quote, unquote, right law, there's just more and more depression. And

Dave [00:30:57]:
I don't know. I guess That's actually that's actually certified.

Greg [00:31:00]:
I mean,

Dave [00:31:01]:
that I've done You're not speaking

Greg [00:31:02]:
in hyperbole

Dave [00:31:03]:
that No. That's happened.

Greg [00:31:04]:
That among youth, among high school students and the Gen Zs, and, like, there is actual depression and anxiety over the impending end of the world and the hopelessness that we're not doing anything to fix it. They are literally, and I'm using the word literally correctly, not the way that they use it. Right. But they are literally depressed about this.

Chad [00:31:29]:
Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I guess, you know, I I just look at, you know, Genesis 822. It says, well, the earth remains seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease. You know, I mean, God's saying the Earth is going to be here. The seasons will continue. You'll have food.

Chad [00:31:53]:
Things will go on. And that doesn't take away from the fact that we need to

Greg [00:31:57]:
be stewards. We need to

Chad [00:31:59]:
take care of things. We need to not just go out and randomly destroy things and not do stupid stuff, but we have our limits. We have our our guardrails that God has put in place. Yeah. Right? I mean, there's there's limits to what we could do.

Dave [00:32:14]:
Yeah. It's there's there's an there's a kind of a Christian overreaction that I don't like, which is, well, God's gonna come back when he wants to. Therefore, we can just be poor stewards, and that's okay. People don't really believe that When you have an Superfund site that you have family that lived by before it was a Superfund fight site, then you feel the consequences of that. So but it's really easy as as Christians to go, well, God's gonna return someday, and he's gonna remake the whole thing. So let's just let's just not

Greg [00:32:52]:
care about anything. Because you know that they don't turn around and say his eyes on the sparrow, so I know he's watching me, so I'm not gonna put anything in my 401 k. They're, of course,

Dave [00:33:03]:
doing that. Put anything in their face, like makeup.

Greg [00:33:05]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Chad [00:33:07]:
Or shop for groceries.

Greg [00:33:08]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.

Chad [00:33:09]:
Yeah. Food's just gonna show up.

Dave [00:33:11]:
So I do so are we are we on to the stewardship part now? Are we are we talking about

Chad [00:33:17]:
We can go on to the stewardship.

Dave [00:33:18]:
Well, things we haven't really talked too too much about the political consequence. I'm okay whatever we wanna do, but,

Chad [00:33:24]:
no, let's let's do the politics. Now beginning the political session.

Dave [00:33:29]:
I think Greg did more than imply this, but you certainly, at least at the very least, hinted at it early in our conversation, which is what this is really doing is fueling a political agenda, and it's a long lever to try to manipulate and determine policy. It's had huge economic consequences already in Europe. Oh, yeah. And it's going to here in our home state Yep. Where we have laws that are suddenly coming out that's saying all future energy has to be renewables Right. But not nuclear. And it's gonna drive up energy prices 2 to 3 times minimum even as they're kind of rejecting those things in Europe.

Chad [00:34:19]:
Mhmm. But

Greg [00:34:20]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:34:20]:
That's just one example. But what are some other ways you think?

Greg [00:34:24]:
Well, I so the things that they're going after all the time is, like, natural gas is bad, Coal is bad. Oil is bad. Those are the things that give us independence. Like, when you think about even, like, you live in we live in a city. We we don't live in a rural area. We live in a city. But those things can make us independent because we can store fuel to get through the winter. You take that away from us, and we can't have independence anymore.

Greg [00:34:56]:
Right. And you can call me a conspiracy theorist on that, but I I don't think that I'm very far off. It creates absolute dependency on the government. If that I would be completely dependent on a government controlled electric grid. I would have no way of being self sufficient if they are able to eliminate fossil fuels, which is what their stated goal is. Yep.

Dave [00:35:24]:
I also I also believe that it's a way towards globalism. Why are we trying to get Iran to supply us oil when we could just open up our pipelines? Tell me why that makes any sense to anybody other than we don't want American economy to flourish so that we can continue to lead the world instead of being dependent on the rest of the world. It's almost too depressing.

Chad [00:35:52]:
Yeah. Now we're getting depressed.

Dave [00:35:55]:
Chaoticism.

Greg [00:35:58]:
And people are are so willing to they've been so conditioned to, quote, do the right thing. Like, when you when you think about the the COVID response and you think about all the radio spots and all the TV commercials about doing your part and doing the right thing. And, you know, even, like, even go back to World War 2 and the way they did the way they did propaganda to to support the war effort, and they condition you to do what they want you to do. Yeah. And they did that, and they do it through the schools. And and now people are really eager to do the right thing and what is the right thing. I'm assuming there's air quotes around the right Yeah. There is.

Greg [00:36:49]:
And it really seems like young people and I I really wish I could still consider myself a young person. I I feel like I am, but, no.

Dave [00:37:01]:
Just for the record, you're not.

Greg [00:37:03]:
Like, 18 to to 35 year olds, what the government tells them to do, they just accept as the right thing. They go to the doctor's office, and the doctor says, this is what you're supposed to do with your baby. Don't let your grandparents kiss your baby, or they're gonna give them a disease and kill them. And they listen and obey. And you have to get all of these shots, and they just blindly listen and obey. And I'm not saying don't get vaccines. I'm just saying that everybody blindly listens to everything that they're told because these are the proper authorities. These are the people because I believe the science.

Greg [00:37:46]:
Right? Yeah. We believe in science, and these are the science people.

Dave [00:37:50]:
So we are The science.

Greg [00:37:51]:
We gotta do what they're the science people. So we gotta do what we're told because they're the science people. And the science people are telling us about global climate change, and the science people are telling us the the best way to manage energy, and we need to listen to them. Mhmm. The people quote in authority don't always get it right. It is okay to question authority. It is okay to to ask, to see the evidence, to study the evidence, to have the debate. We don't get to have a debate anymore.

Greg [00:38:25]:
No, we don't. And you're shunned. You're shouted down. If you ask those questions, you're called a denier or whatever it may be, just for asking those questions, for questioning the science, for questioning the authority. Right.

Dave [00:38:45]:
Which is so ironic to me, the the whole the science. Yeah. Right? Which defies the whole definition of science.

Greg [00:38:52]:
Right. Because there is no such thing as the

Dave [00:38:56]:
science. Science is a continual thought it was never settled.

Greg [00:38:59]:
Right. The science isn't settled. It's a continual state of learning.

Dave [00:39:05]:
That's not what I heard

Chad [00:39:06]:
for many, many years. I'm glad Galileo questioned the science. The science of today is tomorrow's superstition.

Greg [00:39:14]:
Mhmm.

Chad [00:39:14]:
If you look back just 80 years, there were doctors that would sit there and tell you you need to smoke to clear your lungs out.

Dave [00:39:25]:
I mean That that's funnier than what I was gonna use.

Chad [00:39:27]:
Oh, okay.

Dave [00:39:29]:
Climate change is just another, you know, mouth thuzin, Right? The whole remember the whole population bomb thing. Well, there's a standing bet that, this Stanford, 2 Stanford professors, one economics professor, and one the guy who wrote the book Population Bomb is basically and I've heard I've actually heard some Christians say we might need to do population control. Oh. We might need to do forced sterilization. I've I've actually and I I just kinda like, my eyebrows went up, and my eyes got bigger. And I was like, are you really serious? Anyway, so this neo Malthusian. Right? So things are gonna get worse. The population is growing too fast.

Dave [00:40:11]:
We're gonna be dead by 2,000.

Chad [00:40:13]:
Before we get too far down this road, what's your mouth, Susan?

Dave [00:40:17]:
He was the first one to write about the population bomb. Okay. Gotcha. That the world was gonna be overpopulated, and it was gonna we're all gonna starve to death because By 1988? Oh, this was way before then.

Greg [00:40:29]:
So He's in the sixties.

Dave [00:40:31]:
Yeah. I wanna say it's the sixties. Well, so this this economist these 2 economists from Stanford, I believe it's they're both from Stanford. I know the bad the bad guy in the story is from Stanford, and they had a bet every 10 years. They would track this basket of goods, and the the the good guy in the story said, look. You believe the population bomb. That means everything's gonna be more expensive. And he said, every 10 years, we're gonna check.

Dave [00:40:57]:
And you you decide this basket of goods Mhmm. And that are really, really important for human existence. And we will check every 10 years, and my bet is that they will be cheaper when adjusted for inflation at every time we check it. Mhmm. And either that product or an equivalent product will be cheaper. And every single time, because of the nature of of human progress, every single time they've checked, it's been cheaper. All the while, this ever expanding population, human ingenuity continues to overcome this supposed problem having way too many people on the earth. All of these fear based things that we're doing are just a variation on on some neo Malthusian cataclysm and coming down the pike that we have to use as a political lever.

Dave [00:41:56]:
Right.

Chad [00:41:56]:
And some countries are even starting to experience a population collapse. Yeah. And the the catastrophic effects of that

Greg [00:42:05]:
Yeah.

Chad [00:42:05]:
Economically, socially, in a lot of different ways Mhmm. Insurmountable. Yeah.

Dave [00:42:13]:
Mhmm.

Greg [00:42:14]:
And someone at work say they wished that Elon would run for president. Yeah. They wished he could run for president.

Chad [00:42:20]:
Right. He's he's stuck with David. African American.

Greg [00:42:23]:
I told them I'd love to see another African American president. Yes. They were so confused.

Dave [00:42:30]:
Yeah. They knew just enough to know that he couldn't be president. Didn't understand enough about his background.

Greg [00:42:36]:
Yeah. They said he's from South Africa. I'm like, yeah. Yes. But he's an

Dave [00:42:40]:
African American.

Greg [00:42:41]:
South what? They're like, that's South Africa. Alright. So I

Dave [00:42:44]:
do have to tell you. How about the how about we transition to to a biblical view of environment. Do we, as humans, have the responsibility to steward our environment?

Chad [00:42:59]:
I believe we do.

Dave [00:43:02]:
How so?

Chad [00:43:03]:
The commandment from God in Genesis to take care of the earth and subdue it. Mhmm. Subdue it and multiply and go forth and spread out. Mhmm. Yeah. Nowhere in God's word, nowhere in the teachings of Christ was that ever adjusted or done away with or anything.

Dave [00:43:24]:
Yeah.

Chad [00:43:25]:
So that stands. That is that is part of our design.

Dave [00:43:31]:
Yeah. So interestingly, this and this, I don't I don't know what you guys would think about this, but I actually think that is a mandate given to all of humanity, not just redeemed humanity.

Chad [00:43:44]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:43:44]:
Because it's right? This is just a humanity in general. Yeah. Multiply, fill the Earth, have dominion. Yep. Don't give up dominion. Right. Have dominion. Yes.

Dave [00:43:54]:
Old dominion. Mhmm. And another passage that I I would wanna think about along with that would be in Genesis 2 where God places man in the earth and puts him in the garden, and he makes him there to tend, to keep. Right? And, essentially, the two things that he has to do is he he makes a garden that is both beautiful to look at and is good for food. Right? It's good for production food. And so I think those are the two elements, and I think those are part of the inborn human compulsion. And that's why I think the drive for people to take care of the environment is actually a God given drive that then gets twisted because of sin. But I do agree with you 100%.

Dave [00:44:47]:
That's an innate command. It's an innate drive that God's given as part of the divine mandate, Genesis 1, and that we're responsible for that. And if you look at even, say, like, the chemical industry and how bad it was, If you look basically in the recent history, fifties to the seventies is when it was really bad. Mhmm. And pardon? Horrid. Oh, yeah. I mean, super fun sites and, you know, there's just awful stories that are out there. Mhmm.

Dave [00:45:19]:
But since then, they've basically been taking care of those and the earth is actually purifies itself over time. Yep. Right. Yeah. Now plastic in the oceans, that is a problem in the Pacific. But if you would clean up 5 rivers, not in the United States, that that problem disappear over time. Yeah. Mhmm.

Dave [00:45:43]:
That is confirmed. But there's 5 rivers. I think one of the 5 is in Africa, the rest are in Asia

Chad [00:45:50]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:45:50]:
Where you can just literally see, like, rafts of plastic coming out of those rivers in the ocean. Mhmm.

Chad [00:45:57]:
Yeah. Actually, somebody tried to swim the Pacific garbage patch, and it was disappointing on a number of levels for the person that tried to swim it because he pictured himself going out to die. He thought he was gonna go out there and get tangled up in all the nets and straws and just, you know, have to be rescued within minutes of

Dave [00:46:19]:
hitting the garbage bag holders?

Chad [00:46:21]:
Yes. He would he would just yeah. That that was

Dave [00:46:24]:
his goal was to, you know, have to be saved.

Chad [00:46:27]:
Yeah. And I think he would swim for 2 or 3 miles, and there's a toilet seat floating by, swim for another 3 or 4 miles. There's a pop bottle, Swim for a few 100 yards. Ball

Dave [00:46:39]:
with a hand on.

Chad [00:46:41]:
That's right. Well said.

Dave [00:46:42]:
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Chad [00:46:46]:
You know, my dentist name is Spalding.

Greg [00:46:49]:
He's given one more clue as to your location. Someone's gonna piece this all together one day. What?

Dave [00:46:56]:
The my

Chad [00:46:57]:
dentist name is Spalding?

Greg [00:47:00]:
A little clue about your dentist and your job and little thing here, there.

Dave [00:47:04]:
There's a lot

Greg [00:47:05]:
of days they're gonna they're gonna figure out who

Chad [00:47:07]:
we are. Yeah.

Dave [00:47:08]:
That's and what's gonna happen then?

Chad [00:47:11]:
Yeah. They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna post

Dave [00:47:13]:
they're gonna posting for them. They're gonna post it on the interwebs and people are gonna be

Chad [00:47:17]:
And they're they're gonna they're gonna come here rejoicing. They're gonna come here to Minnesota, and and they're gonna beat us. They're gonna drag us out onto the lake outback

Greg [00:47:27]:
Uh-huh.

Chad [00:47:28]:
And just beat us here in Minnesota. Mule. Yes. Like a Or a redhead stepchild. Yes.

Dave [00:47:35]:
Redheaded stepchild.

Greg [00:47:37]:
Maybe. Southwestern Minnesota. Yes.

Chad [00:47:40]:
And they will they will Mankato. Yes. They will they will do that in Minnesota here. Minnesota. Yeah. But, no, the the guy that swam the Pacific garbage patch super disappointed because he swam it, and there was almost nothing there. Now I guess from space or to listen to it or, you know, maybe whatever. It's the size of Texas or Australia or whatever they say now, and don't picture it as, like, a massive slick of plastic that obliterates the sun from view, you know, 5 feet below the surface of the water.

Chad [00:48:17]:
It doesn't. It's really not that dense. It's the ocean is an insanely large place. So I kinda be careful with what you picture with the old, Pacific garbage patch too. But you're right. You're right. There are, you know, there's different numbers out there, 5, 7, 10 rivers. 1 or 2 in Africa.

Chad [00:48:39]:
The rest in Asia. Yeah.

Dave [00:48:40]:
No one.

Chad [00:48:42]:
It depends on who's counting and, you know, which rivers it is. But, yeah, it's that's that's where the problem is. This goes back to Greg's excellent point early on is this goes back to the political nature of the problem, which is it's a political problem. Right? Because who do they want to limit the output of? Who do they wanna limit the energy consumption of? The developed countries that aren't contributing to this problem. China, India, Africa, all exempt because they're developing countries. So I had an opportunity 10 no. Close to 20 years ago to do a

Dave [00:49:20]:
presentation at this at a on a university campus, state university campus up in somewhere in the state of New York. Okay. And one of the SUNY schools, State University of New York System, and it was for a Christian organization. It was a Christian view of the environment. And so my argument was, yes, we have a responsibility to, steward the environment, but that needs to be defined properly, and it needs to be done truly in a scientifically meaningful way. But then I went to Romans chapter 1 and made the argument that there is this propensity on our part as humans to twist that divine mandate and to worship the creature rather than the creator. And so, we make the spotted owls more important than humans. We make we tend to become environmental worshipers rather than God worshipers, and that's a substitution or an idolatry, and that's fundamentally what's going on with the modern environmental movement, and I didn't focus on that part.

Dave [00:50:40]:
So I made the argument for the gospel. Just look at the solution. Just look

Greg [00:50:44]:
at the value that that the environmental movement is able to place and have legislated on on protecting, like, if you were to damage a bald eagle's egg. And indeed, the the the egg of an endangered species, what the penalty would be versus an unborn an unborn child. Like, it Mhmm. Yeah. It's completely out of whack because it's idolatry. Yep. Professing to be wise, they became fools. There you go.

Dave [00:51:23]:
Yeah. Yeah. So I I think from a biblical perspective, we can say, yes, we do believe that it's our responsibility to take care of the environment, And so far as we as individuals, you know, we're not gonna go out and don't paint in our backyard or in our our back neighbor's backyard, or we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna take sulfuric acid and pour it down the the public train, or we're not gonna put an alligator down the public sewer.

Chad [00:51:52]:
Hold on. I'm writing these down. This is a

Dave [00:51:55]:
list of to dos or not to have.

Greg [00:51:56]:
What there was it, like, an alligator spotted in Lake Michigan or something.

Chad [00:52:00]:
Oh, please be true.

Dave [00:52:01]:
That's so far away.

Chad [00:52:02]:
That is so far from here in Minnesota. I could go there with a

Dave [00:52:09]:
y'all. Yeah. Yeah.

Greg [00:52:13]:
I gotta find this now again.

Chad [00:52:16]:
I love taking trips to the 4 states that we border, Maine, Oregon, Texas, and Florida.

Dave [00:52:22]:
Yeah. So I I I do think there's as believers, we can portray to our friends and neighbors that we do care about the environment, but it won't become an idolatry for us. Just because we believe in stewardship doesn't mean that we buy into radical agendas that are nonscientifically based, and we better have, like, scientific articles to back us up.

Greg [00:52:50]:
Yeah. It was a small alligator was spotted sunning itself. This was November 7th on a Lake Michigan beach on Monday. Police in South Milwaukee reported the reptiles. So this is, this is, South Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Yeah. If if you're glorifying God in in all that you do, if if he's first, if he's on the throne, you're gonna be thankful for what you harvest. You're gonna be thankful for the land.

Greg [00:53:26]:
You're gonna be thankful for if you hunt, and you're not going to abuse it, and you're not going to harm it. You're not going to want to pollute, and, and you're going to treat it right.

Dave [00:53:39]:
Kinda like the Native American.

Greg [00:53:40]:
But you're but you're not gonna put it first. Like, you're not gonna you're not gonna make an idol of it. And the the the way you listen to, to to the way that that the government talks about it now, it's it's like it's like the earth is a god. Yeah. Well, you Love your mother. She is, isn't she? You know, mother Earth and, yeah, the source of all life.

Dave [00:54:08]:
Goes you know, that goes back to Greek mythology.

Greg [00:54:11]:
Well, when you reject God, you have to replace him with something.

Chad [00:54:14]:
Mhmm. Alright.

Dave [00:54:16]:
That's a wrap. Gonna wrap this one up, though.

Chad [00:54:18]:
I I do have a I do have a point, one more point on, you know, analyzing the, the climate change issue. I've always found it very interesting how a lot of the proponents of climate change action are so worried about what we're doing, and yet they're coming at it from an evolutionary viewpoint, which doesn't make any sense to me. Because if you follow an evolutionary viewpoint, if you have an evolutionary worldview, what difference does it make? We have a frontal we have a frontal cortex and opposable thumbs. We have superior technology and more drive. We'll get the resources and deny them from other animals. And if they can't adapt, who cares? They shouldn't survive. Right. Go the way of the dodo.

Chad [00:55:08]:
That's right. That should be the mindset. Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's always it's always really surprised me, the cognitive dissonance that exists with the pro environment pro environmental movement that holds to an evolutionary viewpoint because they really shouldn't care. If they really believe in evolution, they really shouldn't care because this will sort itself out. We'll adapt to the climate that we create or some other species will, and life will go on.

Dave [00:55:41]:
Sweet. Like those crabs that live underwater. Yeah. The words dumping all that sulfuric acid. Yeah. They can take over. Yeah. Cool.

Dave [00:55:48]:
Be good.

Greg [00:55:50]:
But the cockroaches have the world. That's right.

Dave [00:55:54]:
And on that positive note, whee. So yeah. Yeah.

Chad [00:55:58]:
I don't know. Do you have any closing thoughts, Dave? No. No? Closing thoughts, Greg?

Dave [00:56:03]:
I'm gonna shot Greg here. Okay. I'm all talked out.

Chad [00:56:22]:
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