Father's Day 2024 (Timeless)

We take a week away from the 6 part series on the 5 Solas to recognize Father's Day.  We break the usual format and take some time to reflect on fatherhood, fatherhood in culture, and of course we take a look at what the Bible has to say about fatherhood.  

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Transcript

Dave [00:00:01]:
We can't use that too often, though. That'll scare people.

Chad [00:00:03]:
It will. It will scare people. But Scare children. People need to understand.

Speaker C [00:00:08]:
If it's go time, it's go time.

Dave [00:00:10]:
For the record, I did not say that.

Dave [00:00:40]:
So I think you guys need to stop making fun of my memory and start making fun of my degenerating body. Really? Yeah. Okay. Now before we start, this

Chad [00:00:50]:
is the 3rd time you've told us that tonight. Yep.

Dave [00:00:54]:
Just I don't know I don't know

Greg [00:00:57]:
why I even try.

Dave [00:00:59]:
I'm finding 1, I'm going on vacation next week, so I'm getting I'm putting myself on a 10 day fast from any core, you know, Pilates type exercise for 10 days. So no no pickleball, no running. Oh, no pickleball. That's a big one for me. That's low. Right? I'm gonna be have withdrawals. As you guys know, I have this right hip issue, and I've been playing pickleball and that then slowly migrated to my lower back and then SI joint. And then now I've been playing this last week and warming up a lot and knowing the hips not doing great.

Dave [00:01:34]:
And by the middle of the week, my knee starts my left knee opposite the hip starts to get sore because the compensation from the hip and lower back and SI joint now is migrated to the knee. Yeah. So now you need to start making fun of the

Greg [00:01:51]:
Okay. So you get sensitive when we talk about your age, but then you I

Dave [00:01:56]:
yeah. Wait. I think I take this pretty well.

Chad [00:01:59]:
You actually do. Yeah. Sometimes you actually,

Dave [00:02:02]:
like I kinda feed the beast.

Chad [00:02:04]:
You do. You do.

Dave [00:02:05]:
I'm a team player. I take some for the team. Some something else if you need some fodder.

Chad [00:02:10]:
Right. Alright. Hey. Speaking of, I have made some upgrades on the sound here. So I do have a question for Dave, and I want you to answer completely and honestly.

Dave [00:02:21]:
Completely and honestly, that may take me some time.

Greg [00:02:24]:
Okay. You know

Dave [00:02:25]:
I already talked

Chad [00:02:26]:
long. Where were you born, and what did you do as a child?

Dave [00:02:29]:
Are you

Chad [00:02:29]:
kidding me? No. No.

Dave [00:02:31]:
Alright. Now I I know what happened. You've got a button, don't you? No. No. Just Alright. Well, I was born in Japan because my parents were missionaries there.

Greg [00:02:45]:
I love it.

Chad [00:02:45]:
There we go. Yeah.

Greg [00:02:47]:
We finally have a bell.

Dave [00:02:48]:
We have a bell. It's kinda loud. You need to drop the volume on that a little bit.

Chad [00:02:51]:
Hurt my ears. Yeah.

Greg [00:02:51]:
I don't know.

Dave [00:02:52]:
Hurt my old ears.

Chad [00:02:53]:
Now there's another sound effect I have here.

Dave [00:02:55]:
Oh, what do I need to say for that one?

Chad [00:02:57]:
This one, I've just got on standby for truth bombs. Ready? Okay.

Dave [00:03:07]:
I'm I hope I get the first truth bomb.

Greg [00:03:09]:
Okay. I

Dave [00:03:10]:
just if that's we can't use that too often, though. That'll scare people.

Chad [00:03:13]:
It will. It will scare people. But Scare children in

Dave [00:03:16]:
the back.

Chad [00:03:16]:
People need to understand

Speaker C [00:03:18]:
If it's go time, it's go time.

Dave [00:03:21]:
For the record, I did not say that.

Speaker D [00:03:23]:
Yeah. Well, it was a button. It was a button. Right?

Greg [00:03:26]:
So Oh, it's go time. So I'm looking at your magic buttons, and there are 9, and you only have 3 of them loaded up.

Chad [00:03:32]:
3 loaded up.

Greg [00:03:32]:
So we have 6 more that could be loaded up.

Chad [00:03:35]:
Yep.

Greg [00:03:36]:
Okay. That's When

Dave [00:03:38]:
you get online, that's when it's go time.

Chad [00:03:40]:
Yeah. Alright.

Dave [00:03:41]:
I wanna know what what Craig's button is gonna be. Oh. If you had a choice, what would you make it be?

Greg [00:03:49]:
We it would be a Paul Washer quote.

Dave [00:03:53]:
That's what I was gonna say. You stole my line. Yeah.

Greg [00:03:57]:
It would be a Paul Washer quote.

Chad [00:03:59]:
Yeah. Okay. Well, peruse his library and

Dave [00:04:02]:
pick

Chad [00:04:02]:
a good one, and I'll see if I can get it loaded up for you. Can't

Dave [00:04:06]:
be that long, though. Take up the whole podcast.

Chad [00:04:08]:
Through the magic of editing. Yes.

Dave [00:04:11]:
Take up the whole podcast with this quote.

Greg [00:04:16]:
Oh, what was that one? The whore

Dave [00:04:19]:
of Babylon? What the Catholic Church Wards Itself?

Chad [00:04:25]:
Oh, jeez.

Dave [00:04:25]:
So you saw that one,

Greg [00:04:26]:
didn't you?

Chad [00:04:27]:
I think so. Yeah.

Dave [00:04:28]:
Yeah. It was really him. He was on a roll. Oh, man.

Chad [00:04:33]:
I'm well, I'm trying to Canada is a very quiet place, I have to believe, because I'm trying to picture a sound effect that would go with Canada, and maple leaves don't really make sound. Maple syrup

Dave [00:04:42]:
Maple syrup.

Chad [00:04:42]:
Even less. Yeah. So

Dave [00:04:46]:
Probably a loon. No. Oh, that would be that could work. A loon sound would be a good one, or everybody apologizing every 10 seconds.

Greg [00:04:55]:
Sorry. Sorry. Could be, sorry

Dave [00:04:56]:
for saying sorry.

Greg [00:04:59]:
Did you hear about the blonde that died while ice fishing? No? She got run over by the Zamboni.

Dave [00:05:06]:
Ice fishing elephant. Nice. Yeah. My dad, since this is a Father's Day episode, my poor dad, he loved things like ice fishing and fishing, and my brother and I were just, I think, the bane to his fishing existence. So, he'd get us set up with a little rod and reel, and then by the time he was ready to put his in, ours were tangled up because we're playing swords with him, and he was patient. I'll be honest though, and dad, I love you for this. You did your best, and we let you down on this one. But he took us ice fishing out on Lake Huron once, mhmm, when we're kids.

Dave [00:05:47]:
And I was just miserable all day, and I could not understand why anybody would go out onto a surface of ice, cut a hole in the ice, and drop a line into the water. And we caught we caught a number of, you know, little panfish type things, but it was like I was freezing my butt off. Yeah. And I was like, why aren't we like those people over there that had one of those houses that you slide out onto the ice? Like, a tent. You know? They have they literally have heaters, and I'm like, okay. If we're gonna do this, let's do that. Yeah. But we we had the big puffy, you know, snowsuits with the hats and big puffy gloves, and and then we had to take them off if we're dealing with the fish and water.

Dave [00:06:34]:
And yeah, dad. Sorry. This is a Father's Day episode, but I'm sorry we disappointed you as children not wanting to go fishing. Wow. I didn't even like putting minnows on the hook. Really? Yeah. Secretly let them let them go. I do.

Dave [00:06:53]:
See how compassionate I am. Poor little minnow is gonna die. She dropped it in the

Chad [00:06:59]:
water engulfed

Dave [00:07:00]:
the bass or the perch or whatever. Snarfed it up faster. It would have been probably then it had to dissolve to death in the stomach instead of just being impaled by me. Put like a dark fist.

Chad [00:07:14]:
No kidding.

Speaker D [00:07:15]:
Right. Jeez.

Dave [00:07:16]:
But, anyway, sorry, Dan. Hey. How about a dad joke to start this off, though?

Greg [00:07:20]:
Well, we already told 1, but you forgot, obviously.

Dave [00:07:22]:
I was I'm talking mean, like, my first dad joke.

Greg [00:07:25]:
Okay.

Chad [00:07:25]:
Go ahead. Dad joke. Go. Alright.

Dave [00:07:27]:
Let me just make sure I get this one here, and you can with the magic of editing. Alright. Here you go. This is one of my favorites. A guy told me he was attacked by a shark today. He said it bit his whole left side. I just couldn't believe he's alright. Wow.

Dave [00:07:48]:
No credit.

Greg [00:07:49]:
Oh, that's good. Love it.

Dave [00:07:51]:
Part of you laughed.

Chad [00:07:52]:
Part of the fun of dad joke telling it especially not to laugh. Yeah. Especially in a setting like this

Dave [00:07:57]:
is trying not to laugh. Alright. So let's do one more to see if I could you laugh. Okay. Alright. So I bought a sweater the other day, and, it was really staticky, so I returned it. So they gave me another one free of charge. You guys are not helpful.

Greg [00:08:14]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:08:16]:
Alright. I'm I'm not gonna do anymore if you guys want at least courtesy laugh.

Chad [00:08:20]:
Okay. Hold on.

Dave [00:08:20]:
Oh, here. Let me try one. I think I got one that you will laugh at if you're not trying to read your own dad jokes. You gotta be paying attention. Alright. Alright. So I was at Walmart the other day, and I found they have Batman shampoo. Really? Pretty cool.

Dave [00:08:35]:
Right? Uh-huh. Right. Well, I just couldn't believe they didn't have conditioner, Gordon. Oh, come on. You gotta like that one.

Chad [00:08:44]:
He chuckled.

Greg [00:08:45]:
I was no. I was it was a pity laugh.

Dave [00:08:47]:
Were you chuckling at me, or were you chuckling at the joke? It was a pity laugh. Conditioner Gordon.

Chad [00:08:52]:
Come on. Conditioner.

Dave [00:08:53]:
Yeah. That was pretty good. Oh, come on. I I'm gonna just give up.

Greg [00:08:58]:
Well, you don't wanna get it all out of the way with me right now.

Dave [00:09:01]:
Alright. Alright. Yeah. Let me well, okay. I'll see. We'll

Chad [00:09:03]:
do some breaks.

Greg [00:09:04]:
Dave, what do you call a hippie's wife?

Dave [00:09:06]:
I don't know.

Greg [00:09:07]:
Missus hippie.

Chad [00:09:08]:
Oh, nice. Yeah. Alright. And then I'm trying a bold experiment here. I am okay with dad jokes sometimes, but I'm using AI to create Jed dead jokes and I'm not sure they're actually original. So you may have heard these before but why don't eggs tell jokes?

Dave [00:09:27]:
Something to do with the oaks. I'm sure.

Chad [00:09:29]:
They would crack each other up.

Dave [00:09:31]:
Oh, there you go. I kinda like that one. Alright. I do have one more. I think you guys would like this. Okay. Yeah. The other day, I accidentally drank some food coloring.

Dave [00:09:43]:
Mhmm. I think it died a little inside.

Chad [00:09:47]:
I'll have it that

Dave [00:09:47]:
way. Okay. I made my whole night. I got at least one legitimate laugh. Alright. But Father's Day.

Chad [00:09:56]:
It is Father's Day. What's up with that? Actually, if this is airing Father's Day was yesterday. That's right. You're you're listening to the the day after Father's Day.

Greg [00:10:05]:
Really confused right now. Father's Day was yeah.

Dave [00:10:10]:
False. Just gonna start saying that when you make up stuff about me. Can't defend myself on the phone.

Greg [00:10:17]:
Father's Day was yes yesterday.

Dave [00:10:21]:
As of the airing of this, yes.

Greg [00:10:23]:
Yes. Okay. Yes. And I hope you had a good Father's Day.

Dave [00:10:26]:
I hope everybody did as well. Yeah. Yes. But not you, Greg. Wow. Oh, Dave. Oh, man. Just bitter.

Dave [00:10:35]:
I guess. No. I I hope you have a good Father's Day.

Greg [00:10:39]:
I had a good one. Yeah.

Dave [00:10:41]:
Did you? Yeah. How do you know?

Greg [00:10:43]:
Have you seen my kids? Time travel? Have you seen my kids? Apparently,

Dave [00:10:48]:
they're they're great catches. They're great catches if you can get the married one, apparently.

Greg [00:10:52]:
When I take them fishing, they do great.

Dave [00:10:56]:
Alright. Don't be insulting my dad, though. That was not my dad's fault. That was my fault. I just didn't have the patience for it.

Greg [00:11:02]:
If you think through that, I wasn't insulting my dad. Alright.

Dave [00:11:08]:
Okay. Alright. What are we gonna what are we gonna talk about today, though? What what about Father's Day we can talk about?

Chad [00:11:13]:
Well, as you know, I sent out no show notes for this.

Dave [00:11:17]:
What?

Chad [00:11:18]:
I know. But we're all dads, so I figured we could just kind of freestyle.

Greg [00:11:23]:
Okay.

Chad [00:11:23]:
And,

Dave [00:11:24]:
time No Bible, no theology?

Greg [00:11:26]:
Dave's gonna rap? Yeah.

Dave [00:11:30]:
A gift? I got him to laugh. It wasn't a dad joke.

Chad [00:11:35]:
He did. I got him

Greg [00:11:36]:
laugh. He gave me laugh. That was a good callback.

Dave [00:11:37]:
That's a shock. Mhmm. Oh, speaking of rappers, what did Jay z call his girlfriend before they got married? Fiance. I got him to laugh a little bit. Greg's just stubborn. He's willing himself not to laugh.

Chad [00:11:59]:
This is this is like that part in good morning Vietnam. I know in my heart I am funny.

Dave [00:12:05]:
Sorry. I never saw him. Yeah. Catfish at the movies.

Chad [00:12:11]:
Yeah. I don't know if we'll do that one. I think, it was kind of similar. Of is that PG 13 or R? Which one? Good morning, Vietnam.

Greg [00:12:20]:
That was definitely rated R.

Chad [00:12:22]:
Yeah. Okay. I saw the TV version when I was a kid, like, the network TV version. So they clipped all the r parts out.

Greg [00:12:29]:
So Yeah. No. I saw the movie theater version. Yeah? Yeah.

Chad [00:12:34]:
Scarred for life.

Dave [00:12:35]:
Mhmm. For shame for shame.

Greg [00:12:37]:
I didn't grow up Baptist.

Dave [00:12:43]:
Not not false. Not false. I grew up Baptist, and we couldn't go to movies, but not because my parents thought it was bad, but because when they were missionaries, they signed an agreement that they wouldn't attend the movie theaters. And so it was off limits for us. And for the record, I never ever snuck out and saw a movie on my own.

Greg [00:13:10]:
You always took someone with you. Right?

Chad [00:13:14]:
You found my wording. Dun, dun, dun.

Dave [00:13:17]:
No. I did I did get in trouble once for that. Oh. Because someone from the church was at the movie theater, and they told on me. Oh, they were like funny.

Greg [00:13:26]:
They realized they told on themselves too.

Dave [00:13:28]:
Well, they, you know, their parents hadn't signed it. They hadn't signed an agreement with the mission board. Right. So sacrifices we make to be in ministry. Yes. Mhmm.

Chad [00:13:41]:
Boy. So Father's Day. Yeah. There it was.

Dave [00:13:46]:
I had 2 really great fathers in my life. My father-in-law became kind of a second father, but, of course, my dad was a great dad. So, yeah, it was a blessing to have. Yeah, 2 very, very different styles of, you know, one being a father-in-law, of course, but was very encouraging. And then a father who was just an incredible example to me as well. So, pretty cool. Maybe tell some stories along the way. I think we should.

Dave [00:14:16]:
I think

Chad [00:14:17]:
we should. Because believe me, I sent out nothing to prepare us for this. So I figure we all had dads Mhmm. And we all are dads. So this should kind of come naturally. Right?

Dave [00:14:32]:
Sure. Maybe. I'm hoping. Oh, yeah. I think I think

Chad [00:14:36]:
all night till we get something usable. Okay? We'll we'll

Dave [00:14:40]:
have plenty of usable stuff. So, yeah, any favorite memories of your dad from childhood?

Chad [00:14:47]:
I'll let you go first, Greg.

Greg [00:14:49]:
You'll let me go first, he says. Well, mine one of mine would happen to be a fishing story.

Dave [00:14:55]:
Really? Oh, yeah. Because you liked fishing. You didn't hate fishing like

Greg [00:14:59]:
we owned. Fishing. And and, we would go up to New Liskard, Ontario. New Liskard. Mhmm. On the Victoria Day weekend, which is the holiday weekend before Memorial Day weekend Okay. Here in the United States. And it was the opening of what the Canadians call pickerel season Pickerel fish.

Greg [00:15:21]:
Which is walleye.

Dave [00:15:22]:
Oh, okay.

Greg [00:15:23]:
Yeah. It's the walleye season. That's Canadian for walleye. Yeah. It's, you know, they're a pickerel. It's a it's a family of fish. Perches in the pickerel family as well. Okay.

Greg [00:15:33]:
Yeah. But anyway Do

Dave [00:15:35]:
you know the Latin

Greg [00:15:36]:
for that? I don't care what the Latin for that is. You really did? Because I didn't get my line tangled up and frustrate my dad. We just caught the fish and ate them and had a good time.

Dave [00:15:47]:
I wouldn't want them to eat them anyway. So

Greg [00:15:51]:
so we would go up, and a bunch of my uncles and my cousins would go up. And, we would camp for the weekend, and there were some weekends where the weather was nice. And there were some weekends when the weather was snow, and there was no running water, and there was no, there was no outhouse for the first couple years. Eventually, there ended up being an outhouse there. Yeah. So that was an adventure. When it was really cold, we would actually, like, build a fire right on the shore in between each of our chairs, and there were times that we caught just ridiculous amounts of fish. And we had fish for breakfast and lunch and dinner.

Greg [00:16:39]:
And there were times where the fishing was not so hot, but I remember I think I think it was the 1st year I went and we had just eaten fish all weekend long and everybody caught their, like, so I don't I think it's You bet you caught their limit?

Dave [00:16:54]:
I don't I don't know what in Canada.

Greg [00:16:56]:
I don't know what the equivalent of the statute of limitations is in Canada, but I'm sure that I'm sure that it's gone by now because it's been over 40 years, because I think I was, like, 8 years old. You caught beyond your limit. So, like, let's suppose you're allowed to keep 6 fish per day. Well, if you just hurry up and eat them.

Dave [00:17:17]:
You didn't really catch them if you

Greg [00:17:18]:
ate them. Right. There's only 6 fish on your stringer because you just keep eating them. And so at the end of the weekend, one of the uncles cleans them all up, and you got this cooler full of fish, you know, 6 for everybody.

Dave [00:17:31]:
Yeah.

Greg [00:17:32]:
And we're heading back, and it's a long drive, and we stop at McDonald's on the way home to get something to eat and what does Greg order?

Dave [00:17:39]:
Fillet of fish.

Greg [00:17:39]:
Fillet of fish.

Dave [00:17:40]:
He disordered something like fish.

Greg [00:17:43]:
And my dad just shakes his head. He's like, why are you ordering filet O Fish? I like fish.

Dave [00:17:47]:
There you go.

Greg [00:17:48]:
It's really good. You were

Dave [00:17:49]:
such a good son. You gave your dad

Greg [00:17:52]:
great joy. Yeah. Unlike me. But I caught a

Dave [00:17:57]:
what? It's true. I think I was a You're going hard on yourself here. No. I I think he would that's one of the great things about my dad though. I never once got

Greg [00:18:09]:
I'm glad you took my story

Chad [00:18:10]:
and made it about you.

Greg [00:18:17]:
You know why he did that though. Right? Because when it's go time, it's go time.

Speaker C [00:18:22]:
If it's go time, it's go time.

Greg [00:18:23]:
Yeah. That's why he did that. I don't know if I'm gonna like I wasn't so

Dave [00:18:29]:
so tell me more about your dad.

Greg [00:18:31]:
So I

Dave [00:18:32]:
because that story sounded a lot more like you than your dad.

Greg [00:18:35]:
I had this little junior fishing pole. Like, it wasn't those make great

Dave [00:18:40]:
swords.

Greg [00:18:41]:
No. I I used it for fishing. Okay. I used my sword. I caught a like, I hooked onto a monster. At first, I thought it was snagged. And my dad comes running over and he knows I've got the giant fish on, and it wasn't a walleye. And I have no, you know, I was 8 years old at the time, so this is over 40 years ago.

Greg [00:19:04]:
And my dad says that it was almost a half hour that it took to reel this in, and he just he didn't take take it from me, which would be the impulse of a lot of fathers. It's like, you got a monster I gotta do this for you or else it's gonna get away. But he, like, walked me through it and, like, he he held the rod. He helped guide the rod when he needed to, but let me do the reeling and then left it to me. And I reeled in a, I think it was like a 48 inch sturgeon. I don't know if you've ever seen a sturgeon before.

Dave [00:19:38]:
I've seen pictures, and I've Yeah.

Greg [00:19:40]:
No. I haven't

Dave [00:19:40]:
seen one live at an aquarium.

Greg [00:19:42]:
They're they're, yeah, they're awesome. They're prehistoric. They're like shark like shaped bodies, but they have 5 spines up the back of them. And, Yeah. They're they're pretty awesome. Yeah. And so he was pretty proud of me when I caught that. That's pretty cool.

Greg [00:20:00]:
Yeah. You know you know why I caught you know why I caught it? No. Why? Because I wasn't using it as a sword.

Dave [00:20:06]:
Yep. That's true. That's key. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably why I didn't catch a lot of fish. Yeah.

Dave [00:20:13]:
My dad was really patient. Sounds like your dad did a great job of

Greg [00:20:16]:
He was being he

Dave [00:20:17]:
was being patient with me. Yeah. Mentoring and teaching you. I wouldn't let you do as much of it as you could. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I would have been happy just hand the reel to my dad. Sorry, dad. I've got some good stories going on.

Chad [00:20:34]:
Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I guess I got a fishing story too. And I

Greg [00:20:40]:
I can't It has to be a fishing story at Catfish Ministries. At least

Chad [00:20:44]:
1, you know. Yeah. Well, this is gonna be a really good one. Okay. So I grew up on a farm that was about a 110 acres, 120 acres. It included a pond and was bisected by a county drain, which was pretty wide in some spots. So we had to build bridges over it or we had to have bridges over this thing in some places to get to the back fields and everything. I think I must have been like 6 years old and my dad's like, I don't know why but we all got it stuck in our heads that dead needed to take me fishing, right? So we went back to the drain, right? And I remember I caught like 4 or 5 fish.

Chad [00:21:30]:
And again, I'm like 6, 6 years old at the time

Dave [00:21:34]:
and

Chad [00:21:34]:
I'm pretty sure there were catfish. Actually, because and it may have been the same one again and again. But I had my little red pail full of water, and we put it in there, and I'd watch it swim around for a while. And then Debbie, like, you're ready to let him go. I'm like, yep. Throw him back and then do it all over again. And I swear it may have been the same fish, like, 5 or 6 times, but I do remember that. That was that was a good time.

Dave [00:22:02]:
Yeah. Success probably, like, breeds a desire to do it more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't even get your keep your line in the water for more than 5 minutes. Yeah. You just want to run off into the forest and play swords with your brother.

Chad [00:22:15]:
Yeah, which I didn't have a brother, so not a problem for me.

Dave [00:22:19]:
Yeah. So yeah. How many minimum you killed did you have?

Chad [00:22:23]:
You know, I don't even know what we're using for bait. I actually worms.

Dave [00:22:26]:
I could I could buzz worms down there. Yeah. I would imagine catfish like worms. Yeah. Not that I have any basis for a second.

Chad [00:22:35]:
I think catfish will eat anything. Right? I mean, like, kind of bottom feeders.

Dave [00:22:40]:
Yeah. Yeah. So one story about my dad from my childhood. We did a lot of traveling because of being a missionary.

Greg [00:22:53]:
Mhmm. Where was that?

Dave [00:22:54]:
And it's being missionaries. No. I don't do this.

Chad [00:22:56]:
Please, please, please.

Dave [00:22:56]:
You so wanna ring that bell. I don't wanna hear that bell.

Chad [00:22:59]:
Close enough.

Dave [00:23:03]:
So does that does that, like, carry forward to the next time that you guys get me to say

Speaker D [00:23:08]:
that? Say what?

Dave [00:23:11]:
Nope. Nope. Not a sucker. Most of the time. So, yeah. Anyway, so we did a lot of traveling, and that was back when the speed limit was 55 miles an hour. Oh, yes. Right? And here we are on these interstates, and now today, you don't even dream about 155 on the interstate.

Dave [00:23:31]:
And, I mean, this, you know, this is my childhood. So there was still there was already power steering. So it wasn't like steering was hard, or it was super dangerous to go over, and everybody I knew, all the other cars seemed to just be blowing past us. And my dad was just very serious about his faith, and he was told to obey the government. And he had the most steady foot because this is before having cruise control. And he, I mean, we just like if 55 was straight up and down, that stick or whatever on the whatever you call the gauge, I guess, straight up and down on the 55. And there was times when I was like, dad, really? Like, we've been on the road for 3 hours. Can we just hurry up and get there? You know? And every once in a while, I would ask him about it.

Dave [00:24:20]:
He goes, Well, the Lord told us I'm supposed to obey the government. And so, and he was hard and fast. He wasn't legalistic, but he just thought it was important that you obey the Lord. And that was a great example of me even though when I was young, I was very impatient. That's it's kinda cool. Like, I I have memories of my mom. I'd come downstairs, and she's on the feet folded up underneath her and reading her Bible, you know, those great stories. And then my dad was just this rock, and he was in ministry back when you were busy.

Dave [00:24:55]:
Like you preached Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday evening, you had some sort of a lesson that was kind of like a sermon and just faithful for years years years. It was pretty, it's pretty cool to think back at all those times I wasted not paying attention when I was a kid. So, it's pretty cool to have a dad that you can look back and go, man, he was a rock. Yeah, in his commitment to the Lord.

Greg [00:25:22]:
So I think it'd be good to talk about, like, what people think about fatherhood right now, in particular how how fathers are portrayed in the media and Dolt. TV. Don't, he says.

Chad [00:25:38]:
I was about ready to jump through myself. My favorite cartoon show, and it was the tip of the spear for warping the image of fatherhood in America.

Dave [00:25:50]:
It's not like mister Cleaver.

Chad [00:25:51]:
No.

Dave [00:25:52]:
I remember, you know, I watched that in reruns. I didn't watch the original. I'm I'm getting ready to say false, Greg, as soon as you anyway. Okay. So but he was he was the wise old dad. Right? And I know it wasn't, like, my 3 sons and dad. Dad's always had the wisdom they dispensed by the end of the show, and then and then it turned into eventually, it turned into Yeah. Dad's the dolt, the idiot, ne'er do well, the the guy that kids know more than.

Greg [00:26:23]:
Mhmm. Yeah. And the dad's kind of, like, doesn't wanna deal with the problem, doesn't wanna lead. Like, you think of, like, Tim Allen on Home Improvement or even in his Last Man Standing. He just kinda takes a back seat. If he if he ever has to take a parenting role, he's forced into it.

Dave [00:26:45]:
Mhmm.

Greg [00:26:46]:
And and even when he's forced into it, it's kinda like stumbling through everything. And if he gets it right, it's really kind of an accident that he happens to get it right. Yeah. Yeah.

Dave [00:26:57]:
And now I think even more recently, it's gone to more about less about them being incompetent, and now it's more about toxic masculinity. Yeah. Right? And I think that's the now the media portrayal of dads is that how they're, you know, the good ones are the what's the best way to describe them? Passive beta males, shall we say. And I I think that's thankfully, I think we're coming out of that and out of the other side, and I think there's now a movement back towards legitimate masculinity. So I'm encouraged by that. So

Chad [00:27:35]:
I will tell you what, looking at popular media these days, I see what you're saying that there seems to we seem to be some elements seem to be pulling back from the precipice and more towards a classical image of dad of fatherhood. However, there's also a move in others parts of entertainment where there's no dad. And in fact, why do you even need 1?

Dave [00:27:59]:
Right.

Chad [00:28:00]:
It's just absentee.

Dave [00:28:02]:
Yeah.

Chad [00:28:02]:
Not there. Not portrayed at all.

Dave [00:28:04]:
Yeah. Which is really strange because, I mean, even as recently as Barack Obama, politically, presidentially, you know, those kinds of statements like, hey, the father is an important figure in the home. Right. Were made, and now that Overton window has been shifted to the point now where it's like, if you're a woman, you don't need a man. You can't be, I love this take, and I know there's a lot of different people who are saying this different ways, but I think, biblically, it rings true as well. But the idea that being a wimp is not noble, a noble man is powerful but controls that, is humble and meek, right, and controls it. So, some would even go as far as saying, look, you're not noble if you're not dangerous, but what's really being noble as a man, or what's true masculinity as being dangerous but knowing when to use it properly. And I think of David's mighty man in the Old Testament.

Dave [00:29:13]:
They're so masculine that Dave says, you know, I really would love water from that well in enemy territory. And they're like, well, we'll go get you something. They go Rambo it and bring it back. And then even at the end of 1 Corinthians, Paul says, stand tall, act like a man. Yeah. Right? To Christian believers there in 1st Corinthians. And God has designed men to be strong, capable leaders. And when we don't lead, we're failing our families.

Dave [00:29:48]:
Yeah.

Greg [00:29:49]:
So it's almost like there's a distinction when it says in Genesis that male and female, he created them. Like, there there might have been a difference. Yeah.

Dave [00:30:01]:
Is that

Greg [00:30:01]:
is that what you're trying to infer there, Dave?

Dave [00:30:04]:
I'm doing more than inferring that. But yeah. Sure.

Greg [00:30:06]:
Okay.

Dave [00:30:07]:
Yeah. I agree. 100%. What's really sad is we're seeing more and more evidence of women who buy the lie. They should reject, right, reject marriage, reject toxic masculinity or the patriarchy and go off and become the super capable professional, and now they're 40, 45. They can't find a man. They can't have children, and they're miserable because they know they're going to spend the rest of their lives alone, and we're seeing more and more of that unhappiness be expressed. And so now the rise of the trad wife, right, which is a really interesting phenomenon, and return to more of a traditional biblical role.

Chad [00:30:48]:
Now in the area of how men are portrayed in media, I did I did have a verse that I wanted to share here. So, Greg, forgive me. I can't remember. It was was your dad a believer when you were growing up? No. No. Okay. Mine was not either. However, my sister and I have both my sister and I sister and I both came to faith later in life and we've both agreed.

Chad [00:31:08]:
She said it and I completely agree with it despite the fact that my dad was not a believer. We would put him toe to toe with anyone for moral and ethical living, and we're pretty sure he would win. The guy just okay. He snuck a few cigarettes and he drank too much beer a few times, but for the big stuff, he was rock solid. You know, I mean, he was just stalwart. And Psalm 10313, as a father shows compassion to his children, so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear him. We get a lot of our image of God from our relationship with our father.

Greg [00:31:50]:
Agree.

Chad [00:31:51]:
And it says that elsewhere in the Bible as well, but that's the clearest single verse that, that I could find. That's right. So, I mean, I I came to faith later in life, and I think that one of the reasons, you know, mentally that I was being drawn was that I had been away from my dad for a long time and I had that positive father image and it worked. And if in popular media now, we're portraying dads as toxic or just missing not there. What impact is that going to have on people as they grow up? And we try to and we try to share our faith with them.

Dave [00:32:27]:
Yeah. Especially when you say God is our father. Right? Any verses for you? I know. God has this.

Greg [00:32:36]:
No. So one of the things I remember about my dad is, I just remember him, like, working hard. So, like, I my dad, so I was a a slow to catch on to something, like, my parents. I was 14. I was 14 before I realized that my parents got married 6 months before I was born. You know, didn't, I didn't catch on too quick on that one. So my dad didn't, you know, he went to work right away and and didn't, like, pursue college and things like that. And so he worked in factories and didn't have the best opportunities, but he worked really hard.

Greg [00:33:17]:
And, and I didn't realize this until later in life, but, like, he was often working 2 jobs. So, like, work ethic, I saw, is a really strong thing. And I saw work ethic and a desire to provide and to care. So, like, that that is something that men like, provider, protector. Mhmm. Those are 2 really strong characteristics that men are created to be as a provider and protector of their families. And even though my dad wasn't a believer, I saw that in him.

Chad [00:33:54]:
And I remember there were times like my dad was endlessly patient. I mean, he was ridiculously patient, but when it was used up, he would let you know. I mean, it was loud and occasionally there was physical discipline, but when that was over, that was over. And when he forgave you, he forgave you. And when you moved on, you moved on. And I kind of look back at that and, you know, I don't have a lot of individual stories, but it was a really good role model for me.

Dave [00:34:32]:
Yeah. I think great dad's taken interest in their children. Right? And even as a now, I didn't meet my father-in-law until the end of 19. That was something that was just absolutely character stick in his life, and he just found a way to engage. And, you know, he came. He was a basketball coach. He was a Christian school teacher, Christian school principal, and a basketball coach, and very good, and did it for years. And when I married his daughter, and I was a volleyball coach, he went out of his way to learn volleyball.

Dave [00:35:11]:
And he was at all of our home games if we were, you know, if he was available. And he would purposely ask questions and engage. Where most people I'm used I'm a volleyball coach, so I'm used to people going, oh, volleyball coach? Oh, who's the basketball? Who's the football coach? Whatever.

Greg [00:35:26]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:35:26]:
Yeah. They don't really care, and that's fine. Yeah. You can't all love the greatest sport in the world, but besides pickle. Oh, geez. Just kidding. There

Greg [00:35:34]:
you go.

Dave [00:35:35]:
You knew that was coming. But anyway, so yeah. And he even took that to great heights with the grandchildren. He was incredible at making you think that he would given him the greatest gift in the world. So he would he would take like a sweater or something. Right? He would, oh my goodness. Look at the color. This is perfect because then I can do this or wear it with that or it matches this.

Dave [00:35:59]:
Right? And then he sometimes, he would even, like, pull the tag out. He goes, 50% rayon. That's amazing. And when you're this little grandkid, you're just like, wow. Granddad loves my gift. And he just had a way of making you know that he cared because he took an interest in you. That's an incredible gift that I've tried to emulate. I'm sure I've done it very poorly, but yeah, that's my Tom, my father-in-law.

Dave [00:36:31]:
Yeah. We miss him. He's he's with the Lord. But, yeah, that was what a great legacy. It was amazing funeral. Yeah. It was during COVID too, which is sad, but but it was incredible. And, you know, you can if you talk to my children, they they have nothing but fond memories of granddad pulling them aside and challenging them or pulling them aside and encouraging them or, and, you know, if they weren't walking with the Lord at that moment, he would gently let him know, and he would encourage him to urge him to come back, or he would just say, Hey, I know this tough thing's happened in your life.

Dave [00:37:10]:
You need to look to the Lord for encouragement and just persevere. Yeah, he was a really good example to me of how you disciple people through encouragement. That's cool.

Chad [00:37:21]:
Couple more dad jokes, and then we'll move on to the next section.

Dave [00:37:23]:
Alright. Alright. I'm not gonna laugh at any of Greg's. Okay. Alright. Here we go. Except when they're funny.

Chad [00:37:33]:
Wait. Way to commit. Yes. I'm reading a book on antigravity. It's impossible to put down.

Dave [00:37:42]:
Alright. Okay. I like that. I think I like that one.

Greg [00:37:45]:
What do you call a dog who does magic tricks?

Dave [00:37:49]:
I don't know.

Greg [00:37:50]:
A labracadabrador.

Dave [00:37:54]:
I'm laughing on the inside. Okay. That was good.

Greg [00:38:01]:
Did you know that there's a new clinical term for people who can't sleep at night but wander to the fridge and eat all night long as well? I didn't know. Yeah. It's called insomnia.

Dave [00:38:14]:
Nice. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Chad [00:38:17]:
Alright. Do you wanna hear a joke about construction?

Dave [00:38:23]:
Sure.

Chad [00:38:24]:
I'm still working on it.

Dave [00:38:25]:
Yeah. That is good. Do you

Greg [00:38:27]:
wanna hear a joke about paper?

Dave [00:38:30]:
Not really. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.

Greg [00:38:32]:
But never mind. It's terrible.

Chad [00:38:37]:
What do you call fake spaghetti?

Greg [00:38:41]:
Impasta. There you go.

Dave [00:38:44]:
It's an impasta. That's good. So, did you know that if you take a canoe, turn it over, you can put it on your head and wear it like a hat? Really? Do you know why? Why? Because it's capsized. Come on. You're laughing. You just didn't do it out loud. Shame on you. That's pretty good one.

Dave [00:39:07]:
I still like the conditioner, Gordon, that you guys seem like sad. You know I used to be a banker? No. They fired me because I lost interest. Oh, nice. Just beat those stubborn records.

Greg [00:39:24]:
Did did you know I once got fired from a bank? No. Well, this lady came in. They told me to check her balance, so I pushed her.

Dave [00:39:32]:
You told that one before.

Greg [00:39:34]:
That's good.

Dave [00:39:35]:
That is still good, though. Yeah. It's a timeless one.

Chad [00:39:37]:
Yeah. Why did the scarecrow win an award?

Dave [00:39:41]:
I don't know.

Chad [00:39:42]:
Because he was outstanding in his field.

Dave [00:39:44]:
No. I think I've heard that one.

Chad [00:39:46]:
Yeah. I think AI ripped a few of these off. Okay.

Dave [00:39:50]:
Did you hear about the short fortune teller who murdered his customers? No. He's a small, medium, and large. That's pretty good.

Chad [00:40:01]:
I ordered a chicken and egg from Amazon. I'll let you know which one comes first.

Greg [00:40:07]:
What do you call a chicken staring at lettuce?

Dave [00:40:11]:
I don't know.

Greg [00:40:11]:
Chicken sees a salad. Chicken sees a salad.

Dave [00:40:16]:
Alright. Do they allow loud laughing in Hawaii or just aloha?

Chad [00:40:23]:
Nice.

Greg [00:40:25]:
Why did the chicken cross the road?

Dave [00:40:29]:
I don't know.

Chad [00:40:29]:
I don't know. Because there you go. I like that. Why did the bicycle fall over? It was too tired.

Dave [00:40:41]:
Too tired. Alright. So what are Super Mario's pants made of? What? Denim, denim, denim. Denim, denim, denim.

Greg [00:40:53]:
Nice. It'd be great if we had an outtake at the end though.

Dave [00:40:57]:
That would be funny. Did you know why snap, crackle, and pop were scared? Why? Because they heard a serial killer was. Oh, I love it. That's one that, like, a third grader would love, I think. Thank you. Alright. I'm all dad joked out. I don't I don't have a great reservoir.

Greg [00:41:18]:
How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

Dave [00:41:21]:
Not gonna answer that one.

Chad [00:41:24]:
For the record, I had to edit out 30 minutes of Dave's screaming,

Dave [00:41:28]:
how? How? False. I feel I feel like Dwayne to your gym. False. Bears beat beats. Why do I keep doing this? I had to do it, brother. Yes. For the team. For the team.

Dave [00:41:53]:
Alright. We haven't dropped a truth bomb today. We had some we've we've had some Canadian references to it, so that's good.

Greg [00:42:00]:
Yeah. So I had a verse I wanted to go to. Okay. And and I think that, I think a lot of parents struggle when they hear this verse Mhmm. Because there's a lot of Christians who, read Proverbs 22.

Dave [00:42:17]:
Yes. That's a that that could have gone. I'm surprised we didn't do that on the abused verses.

Greg [00:42:23]:
And they read 22 verse 6. Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it. There's probably a lot of dads right now who have raised their children and they're thinking, I thought I did everything right. I raised my children in the church. I had them there almost every Sunday. I had them involved in youth group. I did things with them. I took them camping.

Greg [00:42:57]:
I had them in football. I was involved or I was their little league coach or whatever it may be. I did stuff with them, and now they're not walking with the Lord and they have fallen away. And this verse in Proverbs says, train up a child in the way they should go and they will not depart from it, what's wrong? Where did I mess up? It it feels like there's a promise given in Proverbs, and I did everything right, and it didn't work.

Dave [00:43:31]:
So what do you tell someone like that?

Greg [00:43:33]:
I was gonna let you break it down, Dave. Alright.

Dave [00:43:36]:
I'm happy to do it if

Greg [00:43:36]:
you want. Then I'll correct you.

Dave [00:43:40]:
Okay. So I was always taught that you interpret any piece of literature in light of what kind of literature it is. Right? So if you're talking about a proverb, you're not talking about something that is true 100% of the time. Proverbs are aphorisms. Right? So they're general truths. So as an example What was that word you used? Aphorism. Yeah.

Chad [00:44:06]:
Tell us more.

Greg [00:44:07]:
Or for the simple man, we'll say truism. Oh, what does that mean? Aphorism. It's generally true.

Dave [00:44:16]:
Yeah. So in other words, proverbs are not promises. So, for example, really simple one. A soft answer turns away wrath. Does it always? No. Generally, it does. Right? That's a that's a that's a good truism, or a general truth, or an aphorism. You know, a penny saved is a penny earned.

Dave [00:44:36]:
Those are, you know, that's a secular aphorism or a proverb.

Greg [00:44:39]:
They're great general rules to live by.

Dave [00:44:42]:
Right. And that sounds disrespectful to the scriptures unless you understand that proverbs are exactly that through a type of literature that gives you a general truism or aphorism that helps you understand and to live life wisely. Yeah. One other example, and I think this illustrates it well. Forget the exact passage, but 2 verses right next to each other. One says, answer a fool according to his folly. Alright. And the next verse says, do not answer a fool according to his folly.

Dave [00:45:15]:
And so well, which is it? Well, one, they mean slightly different things, and they put it that way. It's almost like a riddle where you have to figure out, okay, what does it mean to answer a fool according to his folly in verse in the first verse? Yeah. And then what does it mean to answer not a fool according to his folly in the second verse? And then the other part is wisdom lies in knowing when to apply which one. Yeah. Right? So you don't answer full foolishly, right, in a corresponding way because that will harm them. Right. But you also answer them based on, okay, if that's a foolish statement or question to you, then you treat that like it's a fool of question and answer that appropriately, and that'll end up teaching them. Right? And so part of, you know, part of a proverb is knowing that it's an aphorism.

Dave [00:46:07]:
Right? And so, take that back then to train up a child in the way it should go, that's a general truism that when you teach children, when you bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord to use King James language, that most of the time that works. But the other fact that that we don't that the problem doesn't account for is those exceptions because every person is an independent free willed agent, yep, before the Lord. And each person is responsible for his or her own choices. And if you think about it, in order for that proverb to be a promise, it would have to it would mean that the fate, the eternal fate of your child is totally dependent on you. Right. Yeah. And that isn't biblical either. So, anything you wanna fill in on that or correct?

Greg [00:47:09]:
That's great what you what you said. And I there was a there was a man that I knew, and he used to dance around this verse and do gymnastics with it because he had to justify why his kids weren't walking with the Lord, yet he had them in church all the time. And the gymnastics that he used was train up a child in the way they should go and he tried to interpret that to mean that he that you're supposed to figure out what their bent is. Very common interpretation. And, yeah, that's a common misinterpretation, I believe. Right. That you're supposed to figure out what your child's bent is. Some have a bent toward artsy things, some have a bent towards outdoorsy things, some people are experiential learners, some people are visual learners, and you have to figure that out and train them that way.

Greg [00:48:04]:
And when you train them that way, then they'll not depart from the things that you're training them in. You're still missing the point in that that that you're making their eternal destiny dependent on you. Yeah. And that that's what he was doing, and that's what he was teaching people. When you read that whole chapter, it's it's about practical advice. It's it's like staying away from the scoffer, and and it's all of these things that are just practical things. Like, when you run around with dirty people, you're gonna get dirt on you. There's what Proverbs there's Proverbs 13.

Greg [00:48:44]:
I can't remember if it's 1 or what, but, he who walks with the wise grows wise, and a companion of fools will suffer harm. And that sounds like a promise, but, you know, 9 times out of 10, you surround yourself with smart people, you're gonna grow smarter. 9 times out of 10, you run around with fools, their stink's gonna rub off on you. It's not a promise, but it's a general truism or the big word Dave uses. A p h o r I s m. Good job.

Dave [00:49:16]:
Could you use that in the sentence, please?

Greg [00:49:20]:
So train up a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it is is that you're training them in the things of the Lord. And I think that the other thing that people miss with this is they make it about legalism. So, like, I had them in church, check the box.

Dave [00:49:38]:
Mhmm. Yeah.

Greg [00:49:38]:
I had them in Sunday school, check the box. I did these things, check the box, and we missed the spirit of it. Yeah. You had them in church, but were you, like, fighting and screaming all the way there? It's like, we gotta go to church. Right. And, like, you're out running around on Saturday doing your own thing and out late and living your life the way you live it, but then you get up. We gotta go to church Sunday morning because it's what we're supposed to do, and you drag yourselves into church. And and because you've dragged yourselves in, your hearts aren't prepared.

Greg [00:50:11]:
You're not really there, and you're thinking about what you're doing after church. And the kids grow to resent that because it's not it's not just who you are and and it's not built into your life. Like, the gospel isn't the center of everything and service isn't the center of everything and considering others before, before yourself isn't everything, and it it just becomes this legalism thing. So, a lot of people or oftentimes people will just, like, think they're just checking off boxes to get it right. So one thing that my wife and I tried to do was to make, and and I'm gonna say make church, and church isn't the building. It is it is the family fellowship, the family of God. Mhmm. Like, this was this was the most important thing.

Greg [00:51:05]:
This was the priority. Fellowship with the believers is is the most important thing. So it's all pointing to gathering together. So on Saturdays, we made sure that we were home at a reasonable time on Saturday so we could be prepared for Sunday morning. Yep. And on Sundays, we we devoted Sunday to have our home open so that we could fellowship. It wasn't like you punched in at 9 o'clock on Sunday and you punched out at noon and you had your church duty done. It was about it was about really being involved in people's lives and and my kids caught that, I believe.

Greg [00:51:46]:
Yeah. And and I think that was an important thing that made a difference. It wasn't just about checking boxes and about ritual and wrote things.

Dave [00:51:56]:
Yeah. Yeah. What you're talking about reminds me a lot about Deuteronomy 6. Right? Basically, he gives the great command. Right, chapter 6 verse 5, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be in your hearts. Verse 70 7, he starts talking about parenting. He says, impress them on your children.

Dave [00:52:19]:
Talk about them when you sit at home, and when you walk along the road, when you lie down, when you get up, tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads, write them on the door frames of your house and on your gates. Now I don't actually think that those last few orders there are literal, like, and you don't have to have the footprints in the sand poster in your house or whatever to follow this, but it's the idea is that every part of your life reflects your faith, and your Christian worldview bleeds through in what you do. Yeah. And, you know, I think a few episodes ago, I talked about the Shamu experience that we had with the kids. Right? We're at this, you know, the Shamu show, and it's this weird postmodern theme of believe, and they never said what to believe in. You just were all supposed to believe, and by believing, you're going to be able to accomplish, and it was this really weird, almost a name it, claim it, postmodern faith kind of a thing. And the hour drive home from the Shamu show to, you know, my parents' house, they were living in Florida, to visit with them was a great teaching opportunity because we got to say, hey, like, how did you what did you think about that? And was it weird how they talked about faith and then listened to their perspective, and then, you know, talk about biblical faith and go to different passages? And I'm certainly not saying we did it great, but it is interesting that it really seemed to work. What what we did do, it seemed to work because even now our children tend to filter almost everything that comes across their lives from a perspective of a biblical worldview.

Dave [00:54:10]:
And so in that sense, the, you know, Proverbs 22 paid off. We trained up our children the way they should go because we just made it a natural part of the conversation in the fabric of our lives, and I think that's what Deuteronomy 6 is talking about. So when you lie down, when you, you know, when you get up, when you stand, when you walk, it just it saturates your life, and it's so prevalent that it seems like you write them on your forehead. And it seems like they're on the doorpost. And it seems like they're on the gate when you walk by because it's just that prominent in your life. And then maybe, you know, footprints in the sand is in your hallway or something. So that doesn't hurt.

Greg [00:54:54]:
So, you

Chad [00:54:54]:
know, actually, that's that's actually very encouraging because that's one thing that, my wife and I have always done with our kids is, you know, we'll we'll watch something with them we usually watch it with them. They're a little older now so we we kind of let them go on their own a little bit although with my cyber security eyes I know everything that goes on in this house and everything they watch, but I remember this one cartoon that the boys and I watched our way through it was a Star Wars cartoon and at one point they introduced this new character and he said, oh, you're a Force wielder and he goes, there's a light side and the dark side. I'm the one in the middle. And I at the end of that episode, I said, what did you boys think about that?

Dave [00:55:38]:
And

Chad [00:55:39]:
they both were like, I don't know. And I said, I don't think there is a middle. I'm like, I'm gonna be curious to see what this show does with this character and his desire to not be on the light side or the dark side.

Dave [00:55:51]:
Right.

Chad [00:55:52]:
But there's really no middle. Yeah. There there's no middle.

Dave [00:55:55]:
You can't serve God. Yeah. You can only serve 1 master.

Chad [00:55:59]:
And I'm really grateful to the writers because they proofed that out. He had to pick a side eventually. That's great. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, that was that was encouraging. So but that's just one example of many hundreds or thousands of examples of as, you know, things come into the house, and we participate in the culture. Yep.

Dave [00:56:19]:
In a really healthy way.

Chad [00:56:20]:
In a healthy way. We're always checking in against Scripture, and it's to the point where my wife and I don't even do it anymore. You know? Before we can hit pause or or wait for the thing to end, they're like, oh, that's not right. Here's why. You

Dave [00:56:36]:
know? Right. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm very well, I think I told you guys before about how it used to be kind of cringey for the kids. Yeah. They'd be like, oh, there's dad or mom stopping and pausing the movie and asking what the message of the movie was or whatever, and guess what they're doing with their kids, or will be anyway. They're not old enough to do it yet, but you know it's gonna happen because I see them doing that with people and others.

Dave [00:57:01]:
And yeah. You know, I I love the statement that there's this kind of a kitschy way of saying it. Art creates man, creates art, and then this creates man. Right? So there's this cycle that art in its various forms, tick movies, influences man who then creates more art, which then re influences them. And if you just watch everything from Greece down to, you know, Rent. Yeah. Right? You just see the progression of man creating art, creating man creating art, creating man creating art. Mhmm.

Dave [00:57:30]:
And you see how that worldview has gone downhill pretty quickly and helping our children read that culture and say, okay, how do I analyze that from a biblical perspective? That's a really helpful skill for us to teach our children. Yep.

Greg [00:57:50]:
So and for dads out there that are thinking, like, I really messed up. My kids, they didn't turn out right because I made mistakes, and I thought I knew what I was doing or or maybe I just didn't try and I I messed up. That I have a couple thoughts for them. One is, you don't know the end of the story. Yeah. You don't know what's gonna happen because, you know, my dad was not a believer. And, and look where I ended up. And you just don't know where your kids are gonna end up.

Greg [00:58:24]:
You also don't have that responsibility for what they're going to believe. That's God's responsibility. And also, look at God's children. Like, God is the perfect father, absolute perfect father. And over and over again, what do God's children do? They rebel against him. Yep. He provides for them perfectly. They rebel.

Greg [00:58:47]:
He loves them perfectly. They rebel. He gives them good and perfect gifts. They rebel. Yeah. And and it breaks his heart over and over again, and they keep rebelling. And, as fathers, all we can do is the mistakes that we've made, we own them. We ask for forgiveness, but we just keep loving them.

Greg [00:59:11]:
We keep praying for them and trusting God to work and just pointing them to the truth.

Dave [00:59:18]:
Yeah. And I've experienced that, and I have permission for my son to share this. I've got standing permission. So we spent a number of years with him away from the Lord as a young adult, and we had to make some of the hardest decisions regarding how to, you know, deal with him. And one of the things that I think really helped was despite him knowing that we knew we knew the truth about what he was doing and what he wasn't doing. And occasionally, we would, you know, gently point that out. We never cut him off. We always were open, and he never totally cut us off.

Dave [00:59:56]:
And I do think that's part of the reason why or how the Lord, you know, used that relationship, and now we're as close as ever, which is really cool. So I've actually prayed and wept with other men who have, you know, children who are away from the Lord, and you know, the best thing I can do to encourage them is just say, Hey, stay faithful. Keep the door open. Make sure you're staying in contact with them, and then just keep praying, praying that the Lord will get a hold of their heart. And yeah, and so my heart goes out to those families who are dealing with those things. And I've got some good friends who who we walk through that together and those things.

Chad [01:00:42]:
Yeah. Yeah. I like how you put that. You don't know the end of the story.

Greg [01:00:46]:
No. You don't know.

Chad [01:00:47]:
True. You don't know. So one last story about my dad. He died about 12 years ago. It was at the end of a 16 month battle with cancer pancreatic cancer. He was only supposed to last for 4 months, but he went for 16. And he still was not a believer, and I told my wife and my sister, like, here's where we sell out. No.

Chad [01:01:12]:
Yeah. We're not holding anything back. We're all sharing all the time. We got nothing to lose. Yep. So we did. My wife got him a journal for that was like your journey with God through cancer or something, which I thought it was kind of hokey, but, gosh, he loved that thing. And he started writing in it every day and reading the Bible verses, and

Greg [01:01:34]:
I

Chad [01:01:34]:
wrote him this big huge letter just peppered with Bible verses and telling him stuff that I'd meant to tell him for years but never had.

Dave [01:01:41]:
And about

Chad [01:01:42]:
a month before he passed, he he made a profession of faith.

Dave [01:01:47]:
Wow. I'm good.

Chad [01:01:48]:
That was it was genuine and I just remember about 2 or 3 weeks before he died, we got the news that radiation was not gonna be an option. He was too weak. There is no more chemo. They'd you they'd emptied every clip. They'd used everything they could. And he told me the next morning he's like, well, I talked to our friend today. If we gotta fight the cancer without chemo, we'll fight it without chemo. Wow.

Chad [01:02:21]:
So I say that because I wanted to give up a lot of times with my dad, but Mhmm. I didn't know the end of

Greg [01:02:28]:
the story.

Dave [01:02:28]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Can't possibly share that joke after that. No. Watch this. So it's a funeral joke or something. That'd be all.

Chad [01:02:48]:
Bring it on.

Dave [01:02:50]:
Dark humor right at the bottom.

Chad [01:02:54]:
Why did the math book look so sad?

Greg [01:02:57]:
He did. He's going to.

Dave [01:02:58]:
He went there. I did. Why did the math book look so sad? I wish it I mean

Chad [01:03:04]:
It had a lot of problems.

Dave [01:03:06]:
It had a lot of problems. Today, they put on an antidepressant. Had a lot of problems. Why was this?

Chad [01:03:16]:
I have a feeling Greg's gonna know this one. What do you call a bear with no teeth? A gummy bear.

Dave [01:03:24]:
A gummy. Yeah. I'm so shocked that that didn't come to mind. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good one.

Chad [01:03:33]:
AI is failing. It's starting to repeat.

Dave [01:03:34]:
It's really repeat jokes. Okay. Well, disappointment. So not as smart as they sell it to me then. So, how many of you too bad. I can't really answer this question, honestly. Yeah. Like, so why is it that Father's Day sermons are calls to repentance most of the time, and Mother's Day are, like, take your mother to dinner.

Dave [01:04:02]:
Yeah. Honor your mother.

Chad [01:04:04]:
You know what's really funny?

Dave [01:04:05]:
It's kind of true though, isn't it?

Chad [01:04:07]:
No. It's brutally true. My first Father's Day after my first son was born Yeah. Guess what Father's Day was? What the message was? Guess what, everyone? Today's mission Sunday. Didn't even acknowledge it. 0. Didn't even give you a flower.

Dave [01:04:24]:
No. No. Thanks. Not that you wanted.

Chad [01:04:26]:
No. I would have taken it, but,

Dave [01:04:28]:
yeah, 0. That's one thing that I think I'm very glad that we did do this episode is b rated for father's. Yeah. I never got ties. Like, my dad always got ties for Father's Day and right? But I've never I've never got ties for Christmas. I was glad about that. Yeah. First of all, I hate wearing ties, but Yeah.

Dave [01:04:48]:
But my dad always used to,

Chad [01:04:49]:
oh, look, another tie. Yeah. I think when the boys were, like, 7 and 5 or 8 and 6, they got me ties. I think one of them actually said, we got you ties because mommy said we have to because that's what kids get their dads.

Greg [01:05:06]:
No ties. No tie no ties?

Dave [01:05:08]:
Never got ties? No?

Greg [01:05:09]:
Except for when I got baptized.

Dave [01:05:11]:
Oh, snap.

Chad [01:05:14]:
Playing the long game.

Greg [01:05:16]:
Nice. Only by the Holy Spirit, though.

Chad [01:05:20]:
So, everyone, we hope you have a happy Father's Day.

Dave [01:05:24]:
I hope you had a happy Father's Day.

Chad [01:05:28]:
No. Happy Father's Day, y'all. Yeah. Happy Father's Day.

Greg [01:05:32]:
Yeah. Happy Father's Day.

Dave [01:05:33]:
Especially my dad.

Greg [01:05:34]:
I hope they didn't burn your steak.

Dave [01:05:38]:
Yeah. Or in the case of my family, I hope the sushi was really good.

Greg [01:05:44]:
Why why was it sushi?

Dave [01:05:46]:
Because I grew up in the mission field in Japan.

Chad [01:06:08]:
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Dave [01:06:47]:
What are Super Mario's pants made of? Denim. Denim. Denim.

Greg [01:06:53]:
No. It's denim. Denim. Denim. Yeah. Sorry. Denim. Denim.

Greg [01:06:56]:
Denim.

Dave [01:06:57]:
Let's redo that one. What is Super Mario? Just shows you how few video games you ever play. Venom. Venom. Venom. I think

Greg [01:07:07]:
We're not gonna edit any of this.