The Five Solas: Ad Fontes (Timeless) - Part 6 of a 6 Part Series

In part 6 of our 6-part series on The Five Solas, we examine the theological zeitgeist that preceded the Reformation.   There was a movement in western civilization to rediscover its origin - to go 'back to the sources' (Ad Fontes).  It was against this backdrop that Luther and other Reformers looked at the Bible with fresh eyes

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Greg [00:00:02]:
Dave's looking sternly at me.

Dave [00:00:04]:
Not looking sternly. You make up so much. That's just your natural look then. Resting stern face?

Greg [00:00:15]:
RSF? Yes, Dave. RSF.

Dave [00:00:19]:
This has to stay in.

Chad [00:00:21]:
It does, and it will. Good.

Dave [00:00:50]:
Alright. So we are on the 6th of the 5 wait. How are we supposed to say this? The 6th episode part 6 of a 5 part episode. Oh my. Okay. I'm just setting you up.

Dave [00:01:03]:
Yeah. Okay. This is the 6th part of our series on the 5 solas. There we go. We made it.

Dave [00:01:10]:
We did. A 6th only. No irony there. But yeah.

Greg [00:01:15]:
But today is the no man.

Dave [00:01:17]:
True. It's an odd, odd fontus.

Greg [00:01:21]:
Odd fontus?

Dave [00:01:22]:
Yeah. Or ad fontus if you're gonna pronounce it like an American

Dave [00:01:27]:
market. Right. Ad Fontis, which is different than AdSense. I've been

Dave [00:01:32]:
told Completely lost that reference. AdSense oh, AdSense, like, at the bottom of the Yeah. The bottom of the web. The one that you can't ever push the x because it's so small on your phone. Right. Yes. So you always get those ads sent to LGate.

Dave [00:01:45]:
Yeah. Or the advertiser put an x there, you press it, and then, oh, there you go.

Greg [00:01:50]:
There you

Dave [00:01:51]:
go. It takes you to the Yeah. It takes you to the actual head.

Dave [00:01:53]:
The the x is on the other side. The working x

Dave [00:01:56]:
is on the other side.

Dave [00:01:57]:
It's probably true. I love making those.

Dave [00:02:01]:
It's the trick x. That's right. We can never have a podcast version of the AdSense. Of course. Of course. No way how to get that how to get that jet ski. Those x's are gonna be so small, and you can't hear them. It's a podcast.

Dave [00:02:20]:
Never.

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Do do you hear a lot of letters?

Dave [00:02:23]:
You didn't you didn't get that? I thought that was pretty funny.

Greg [00:02:26]:
I didn't get it either. Okay. Do explain. On a

Dave [00:02:29]:
web page, it's an x that you can touch. On a podcast, you can't touch it because it's a podcast, so you try to touch the x that you can't hear. Oh, right. Okay. Alright. I get it. Just not funny. I'm just not funny.

Dave [00:02:42]:
I know.

Dave [00:02:42]:
No. You're good. You're good. That's

Dave [00:02:45]:
I thought it was funny, so that's the only thing that matters to me.

Greg [00:02:49]:
That's why I say jokes anyway.

Dave [00:02:50]:
I don't say jokes for other people. I say them for my sake. That's a good that's what

Dave [00:02:54]:
a good dad joke is. It is. You're right.

Dave [00:02:56]:
Especially when you tell it to kids. Speaking of

Dave [00:02:58]:
dad jokes, what do you

Dave [00:02:59]:
got, Greg?

Greg [00:03:01]:
Well, no pressure. No pressure. I I did, you know, have a pretty good joke at my son's wedding.

Dave [00:03:09]:
Yes. You did. You need to say that one.

Greg [00:03:12]:
Well, will he appreciate that if he listens, though?

Dave [00:03:15]:
So here's the thing about that. It was it was so in the moment. I mean I think

Dave [00:03:20]:
you can explain the context.

Greg [00:03:22]:
Okay. So I'm the father of the groom, you know, and so we're at the reception, and, well, the the best man gets up and gives a speech, and we won't talk about that one because I cried. And then the father of the bride gets up and gives a speech, and he had talked to me ahead of time. He wanted to make sure that, like, he was gonna welcome everybody on my at my wife's behalf and thank everybody for coming, and he did that. And then he had some kind words about my son and about his daughter and how great they are and about them coming together and things like that. And then, so my now daughter-in-law, his daughter, this was his 3rd daughter, and he was celebrating a little bit because he had now married off his 3rd daughter, and he was done and he was free. So he finishes his speech, and he hands me the microphone because my job now is to say the blessing before the meal. And I took the microphone, and and I congratulated him on marrying off his last daughter.

Greg [00:04:24]:
And I said something to the effect of, like, congratulations. You've now married off your 3rd daughter, and and you said great things about her and about my son. And if everybody thinks that Caleb is really great, I just want you to know that I have 2 more sons that need to be married. And and, like, I thought it was funny and giggles, but, apparently, it

Dave [00:04:44]:
was the best joke told all night ever. It, well, I don't know if it's ever, but it was pretty good.

Greg [00:04:51]:
Like like, it brought the house down.

Dave [00:04:53]:
It did. And all

Greg [00:04:54]:
night long, people were asking me if the the father of the bride and I rehearsed it and planned it and set it up because it was so well delivered. And and one of my sons was just beaming because he's like, yeah, ladies. Come on.

Dave [00:05:06]:
Here it is. Oh my god.

Dave [00:05:08]:
That would have to be Noah Wilson.

Greg [00:05:10]:
Yep. And then my other son was, like, holding his glass up drinking water as fast as he could because he was so embarrassed and filled with rage and wanting to crawl

Dave [00:05:20]:
under a

Greg [00:05:20]:
rock and hide. And and I did find out so my my daughter-in-law now belonged in a when she was in college, belonged in a sorority, And, apparently, there were a number of sorority girls who made comments that my son, who was embarrassed, is very attractive, and they had inquiries about him. So, if you're listening, son, you know Yeah.

Dave [00:05:45]:
Alright. Yep. That,

Dave [00:05:48]:
yep, I I will stay out of that one. But I I will tell you one thing that I've been

Greg [00:05:53]:
doing with maker, matchmaker, make me a match. Find me a find. Catch me a catch.

Dave [00:06:01]:
Is that a real song? It is? Yeah. But Fiddler on the Roof?

Greg [00:06:05]:
Oh, never seen Fiddler on the Roof? Never seen.

Dave [00:06:07]:
Oh my goodness.

Greg [00:06:07]:
Yeah. If I were a rich man.

Dave [00:06:10]:
Oh, that one I know. Yeah.

Dave [00:06:11]:
Yeah. That's from Fiddler on Yeah.

Dave [00:06:12]:
I knew that too, but I have never actually seen the whole movie through.

Dave [00:06:15]:
Yeah. But yeah.

Greg [00:06:16]:
I don't know where I'm

Dave [00:06:16]:
It's a long one.

Greg [00:06:17]:
We're gonna go somewhere. Paying royalties because I sing so much.

Dave [00:06:21]:
I know. Right? It's almost as long as Lawrence of Arabia. Really? Yes. Lawrence of Arabia. We were warned on Sunday that Lawrence of Arabia is a long, old movie. Yeah. And it was. Yeah.

Dave [00:06:35]:
It's like 3a half, 3 and 3 quarters.

Dave [00:06:37]:
345. Yeah. 347 to be exact, I think. But there's these long scenes of desert, and the the cinematography was great. Yeah. It's almost as long and

Greg [00:06:47]:
boring as Dune.

Dave [00:06:50]:
Oh. Yeah. Just read the book. That's all I say. I read that book at least once a year.

Greg [00:06:56]:
Now have you ever seen Rhett and Link's Yo Mama Mother's Day?

Dave [00:07:03]:
They're just going all in here. No. I did. Mother's Day, your mom.

Greg [00:07:07]:
They do they do your mama's Mother's Day. Yo mama's so cuddly that puppies watch YouTube videos of her. Aw. Yo mama's so bold, she's featured in the toolbar on Microsoft Word. Yo mama's so wise, Yoda often texts her for advice. Nice. Mhmm. Alright.

Greg [00:07:28]:
Yeah. Your mom is so adaptable that Darwin wrote a book about her. Dave's looking sternly at me.

Dave [00:07:37]:
Not looking sternly. You make up so much That's just your natural look then. Resting stern face?

Greg [00:07:48]:
RSF. Yeah. Steve. RSF.

Dave [00:07:52]:
This has to stay in.

Dave [00:07:53]:
It does, and it will. Good. That was a good one.

Greg [00:07:58]:
Dave wants to open with the with the, ballgate Psalm 41.

Dave [00:08:03]:
No. No. I didn't memorize it.

Greg [00:08:05]:
No. Oh,

Dave [00:08:06]:
jeez. Yes. So what's the topic tonight?

Dave [00:08:09]:
The topic tonight is part 6 of the 5 part series of wait. Nope. I I did what you did. It's part 6 failed.

Greg [00:08:20]:
I did. I did. Part 6 in the 6 part series of 5 5 solos. Very good.

Dave [00:08:26]:
Yes. That's what we got. So we did the 5 solos. We did the breakdown. If you haven't listened to it yet, go back and listen to those episodes. Very important to what we're gonna be saying tonight.

Dave [00:08:35]:
Yep.

Greg [00:08:35]:
You won't understand the thing unless you go back and listen to them. But this episode does stand alone, so you'll understand it all. So keep listening.

Dave [00:08:44]:
Yep. So that made no sense whatsoever. It doesn't make sense if you don't, but it will, so do.

Greg [00:08:51]:
Right. Absolutely.

Dave [00:08:53]:
Why didn't I keep up, Dave?

Greg [00:08:56]:
Keep up, Dave.

Dave [00:08:59]:
All those logic lessons did me no good. Yes. Reading Damers attacking faulty reasoning was a waste of my time, apparently.

Greg [00:09:07]:
Probably.

Dave [00:09:08]:
So, yeah, we're gonna go through kind of where the 5 solos came from. Right? And we're we're gonna look at where where the 95 theses came from, if there were actually 95

Greg [00:09:20]:
Kinda what led to it.

Dave [00:09:21]:
Yeah. Right. More of the historical background.

Dave [00:09:23]:
Yeah. We know they came from Martin Luther. Right? As as I said in the let yeah. As I said in the last episode, hammered onto the door of the Vatican.

Dave [00:09:32]:
Not the Vatican. Oh, where was it? The chapel at Wittenberg. The chapel at Wittenberg? He was a professor at Okay. At the university in Wittenberg. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

Greg [00:09:42]:
That's Wittenberg. Wittenberg. Yeah.

Dave [00:09:45]:
So hammering the 95 theses Was

Dave [00:09:48]:
a way of announcing a debate. Right. Yeah.

Dave [00:09:50]:
And, of course, it wasn't done on Halloween. So as he hammered him, he was yelling trick or treat. Right.

Dave [00:09:57]:
I die a little inside. I'm tempted to say that.

Greg [00:10:01]:
Reformation day, October 31st. Yes. You nailed the 99

Dave [00:10:05]:
But do you know about the 97th theses the month before? It sounds like a joke though. Right? It does. Yeah.

Dave [00:10:10]:
Would that have been on would that have been on Labor Day?

Dave [00:10:13]:
I don't know. Okay. No. But we we do need to do an episode on the 95 theses, though. I I agree. And then we need to talk about the 97 along with the 95. Okay. Because that's that's actually more it sounds more reformation y than the actual 95 theses.

Dave [00:10:28]:
So that's gonna be a long episode.

Greg [00:10:30]:
Or reformation all?

Dave [00:10:32]:
Reformation ish.

Dave [00:10:33]:
Okay. Just Reformation edical.

Greg [00:10:36]:
Yeah. That's that's the word I was looking for.

Dave [00:10:38]:
That's gonna be really hard because we're gonna have to do a 192 theses altogether. We'll get them on a minute.

Dave [00:10:45]:
We'll categorize them. Okay. We'll just read them all, and that'll be the bug.

Greg [00:10:49]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:10:50]:
Remember that guy that did micro machines and read really, really fast? We should get him.

Dave [00:10:54]:
The guy from was he the guy from the old FedEx commercials?

Greg [00:10:57]:
Yes.

Dave [00:10:57]:
The world record guy? Yeah. No. Remember, like, he was really fast.

Dave [00:11:02]:
Yes. Just like that. Yes.

Greg [00:11:04]:
You found your calling.

Dave [00:11:05]:
We'll we'll

Dave [00:11:05]:
take that out in post.

Dave [00:11:09]:
Fast. It's me talking really fast.

Greg [00:11:13]:
Wow. Where's your interpreter?

Dave [00:11:15]:
Yeah. I was gonna say.

Dave [00:11:17]:
So yeah. So the so the topic is titled Ad Fontes, which means Greg.

Greg [00:11:28]:
Oh. Oh, you wanted me to answer that. Yeah.

Dave [00:11:30]:
It wasn't just a It

Greg [00:11:31]:
it's it's to the sources.

Dave [00:11:34]:
Yes. Why did you wanna take that verse out of context? The Latin no. What what Latin verse did you want did you want me to try to read as if I can really read Latin?

Greg [00:11:45]:
Oh, do I do I

Dave [00:11:46]:
have it? It's well, you've answered it.

Greg [00:11:48]:
Psalm 42 in your English Bible is the as the deer pants for the waters or the fountains. Some is it's Psalm 41 in the Latin Vulgate. Yeah. And it's the ad fontus Yes. The founts or the springs Or the source. And it's to the source.

Dave [00:12:07]:
Yeah. So there are people that take that verse out of context and act like that's actually the reformation comes from as a deer pants for the waters. I'm not

Greg [00:12:15]:
saying that the reformation comes from that Dave. It's just it's to the source, to

Dave [00:12:21]:
the to the fountain. Yeah. And so we we need to pant after that.

Greg [00:12:25]:
Yeah. Martin Luther read that and was like, we need a reformation. He he read that after he went for

Dave [00:12:33]:
a while.

Dave [00:12:34]:
You've just come from a long jog.

Dave [00:12:36]:
He he grabbed some Reese's peanut butter cups and

Greg [00:12:39]:
Trick or treat. Bang

Dave [00:12:40]:
bang. 95 Reese's. Yep. I got I got the rip.

Dave [00:12:47]:
My my my historical knowledge is unbelievable, isn't it?

Dave [00:12:52]:
Your historical knowledge of the 95 Theses comes down to a meme.

Dave [00:12:56]:
It does, as most of my knowledge does. I have the perfect meme for this.

Dave [00:13:02]:
Alright. So Ad Fontes refers not just to the theological movement, but the whole cultural movement of the Renaissance. Right?

Dave [00:13:11]:
Right.

Dave [00:13:11]:
So can we talk a little bit about the historians don't call them the dark ages anymore. They call them middle ages. Yep. When we were growing up in this history, they were called the dark ages in the west. What what were the dark ages like, and what what was the kind of situation that led to the intellectual and spiritual, climate of the western church?

Greg [00:13:36]:
Well, it's closer to your birth date than mine,

Dave [00:13:38]:
so why don't you go ahead and wait for it. Okay. So one one is that, you know, with the fall of Rome, and what was it? 376. That was 4 76. Is it 476? 476. Yeah. Okay. The churches are divided.

Dave [00:13:53]:
I mean, excuse me. The Roman Empire are divided into the east and the west. And, basically, when the Roman Empire in the west fell, when Rome fell, pretty much the whole of Western Europe, the Latin side of Europe really fell into disarray. So it's not quite as bad as the beginning of Monty Python search for the Holy Grail where everybody's, like, mucking around in the dirt. Right? Basically, when you have all this warfare, you you have a huge human cost, huge financial cost. What resources and time and people that could have been put into intellectual and artistic pursuits are now either dead or doing other stuff just to survive. Right. And so you have this loss of the high culture and the educational culture, and you did have the monasteries in the West, and that's where most of the culture was preserved, but that was pretty much Latin based.

Dave [00:14:56]:
Yes. And, actually, an interesting book on that if you if you want. It's been a long time since I read it, but it was how the how Ireland saved Western Civilization. Yep. Interesting how the monasteries in Ireland did a lot to preserve to preserve knowledge, in the in the west, but anyway. Yeah. So to get back to that concept, you have things going on, but it's just not to the degree that it's happening in terms of the intellectual and artistic. Empire, they've preserved the philosophical writings of the ancients and the Romans.

Dave [00:15:34]:
They've preserved the biblical texts, and so and that's their language, and that's that's the world they live and breathe in. And so and you don't you don't have the the the death and decay in the, right in the culture. So you have the high culture and the education preserved. So that's one of the historical settings of the middle ages that contribute to the situation in the west, and a lot of the theology in the west really came about from misunderstanding the Latin text of the Bible even. So just one quick example, and if we want to talk about something else, we can. But the concept of penance, which is doing either good works or paying for for getting out of purgatory early, That concept was translated into the New Testament because, in Mark, for example, when it says repent and believe, the Latin translation says, do do penance and believe. And so instead of having Jesus saying repent and believe, which repent is to turn from. It's it's more of a statement of disposition or a place that you're at.

Dave [00:16:51]:
Right? Instead, it's due pennants, and that comes directly from a mistranslation into the Latin. And so that's not gonna get corrected in the West until you get the original sources. So so that's just another example of that. So then coming out of the middle ages well, do we wanna mention anything else about the middle ages that kinda leads to that in the west?

Dave [00:17:13]:
Yeah. I I just from my from my historical knowledge, which I know I just made fun of and made fun of a lot, but I did do quite a bit of history work back in college. I don't think you can overemphasize just how close the West came to complete collapse because outside of the monasteries and specifically the Irish monasteries, everything came apart when Rome went down by a 100 years by the late 500. It really was the dark ages. Language broke down. The the roads broke down. The aqueducts broke down. Nobody was maintaining everything, and everything devolved into feudal tribes.

Dave [00:17:54]:
And so even the language started breaking down. This is where you get your Latin family groups like Spanish, French, Germanic. Mhmm.

Dave [00:18:03]:
Latin. Yeah.

Dave [00:18:05]:
They all just kinda everything decomposed really badly

Dave [00:18:08]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:18:09]:
In the 1 or 2 centuries after Rome fell. Yeah. And it really was a very bad time. Like, if you were a betting person, if you were, like, looking down on Earth, you would say, well, that's not gonna work. I would bet that, you know, some other culture somewhere else will probably take over in this western Roman experiment will just end. Interesting. So it was very close to complete and total collapse.

Dave [00:18:38]:
That that is interesting. I had not realized it was to that extent, but I believe you.

Dave [00:18:42]:
Yeah. And the the disease, the pestilence, horrible. I mean I mean, it's not like people lived into their eighties or nineties regularly during the Roman Empire. You were lucky to see 30 by the time the Middle Ages were, you know, starting to ramp down, and the Renaissance came around. Yeah.

Dave [00:18:59]:
I think one of the reasons that that Europe actually made it is it's one of the easiest continents to get to get wealthy because of both the resources and the the amount of good coastline for shipping. Yep. And because of the rivers, the rivers are highly navigable. Mhmm. Right? And so you can for example, back in the Roman day, it costs the equivalent of, like, $75, or it it costs the same amount to do a whole ship full of grain

Greg [00:19:35]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:19:36]:
Across the Mediterranean than it did to take that same amount of grain and ship it 75 miles from Rome. Yeah. Right? And so river travel makes economics so much better, and Europe has one of the most rich coastlines in terms of you have ports that are usable. Yep. So ports have to be deep enough to bring in the big ships, and, you know, Africa is full of really bad shipping coasts and very unnavigable rivers. You think of the Congo the river in Congo that's just full of right? So you can't go too long. And so one of the reasons why Africa has never thrived financially is in order to get a big ship, you have to have the big ship off the coast, and then you have to take small ships and load them up and unload them onto the big ship, and you have all this, you know, increased cost or whatever. Anyway, so I think part of the recovery of the west is that they had the once they got over the wars again and they had that knowledge, they could rebuild pretty quickly.

Dave [00:20:41]:
And there's still really good stuff that happened during the middle ages, especially the high middle ages, late middle ages. But once they overcame those big series of warfares that just go back and forth, they were able to recover, and then they could, you know, get the knowledge out of those monasteries. So yeah. So yeah. So anything else we wanna talk about in the middle ages?

Greg [00:21:03]:
Yeah. So coming out of the the church, out of the church age, you had the, the writings of scripture and the original texts, and they were copied and copied and copied. And, you know, immediately after after the scripture is canonized, you had the writings of the church fathers in the the late 1st century, in the 2nd century. And, you get into the end of the 3rd century into the or late 4th century, you have Augustine coming along, and you have him writing. So these are the that's a later church father, and you have all of these, like, really, the early church thinkers, the the church fathers, the early church thinkers. And then you have this dark age come upon where where there's not new thinking happening, and this long period of time goes by where where all of the writings are just concentrated in the monasteries, and there's not a lot of new thinking going on. The the text and the writings are just concentrated there, and it's not happening. And it really doesn't start to happen again until about 12th century, and this rise of a thing called scholasticism.

Greg [00:22:17]:
And, in the 12th and the 13th century, so the 11 and the 12 100, Scholasticism is, is this comparing of the different views of past authorities. So they would they would debate the views of of this writer and debate debate the views of this writer and of this group of people and this group of people and of this church teaching and this church teach, teaching, scholasticism really becomes about the traditions, and it's it's heavily traditioned Mhmm. Tradition based. It's tradition oriented. It really revolves around the traditions, and it relies on the traditions. So you think of the Catholic Church, and they're relying on the traditions of the Catholic Church and the authority of the Catholic Church, because the authority is in the traditions. The authority is on what's handed down from the pope, the official church teachings, and the traditions of the church. That's where the authority is, and you can't mess with that.

Greg [00:23:25]:
You can't challenge that. You have to accept that. And all of the teaching, all of the, writing is in Latin. Yep. And the people aren't reading Latin. They they don't the common people don't read Latin. As you, Chad, have just mentioned, the language has has developed into all of these different languages now, all of these different variations of Latin, and it's changed so much that they can't read it anymore. Scholasticism in the, 12th 13th century really takes off.

Greg [00:24:02]:
And then as a response to that, in the 14th 15th century, there's a rise of this thing called humanism. Now the listener today is gonna hear humanism and think, oh, humanism is bad, because we hear secular humanism. And secular humanism today is all about it's it's totally man centered. It's a complete and utter rejection of of God and anything about God, and it's just putting man, at the center. But that's not what humanism was in the, 14th 15th century, and it was really about the discovery of practical and edifying and useful things. So where scholasticism was tradition oriented, humanism was text oriented, and the cry of humanism was to go back to the sources. Ad Fontes. And that's where we get the cry of, Ad Fontes.

Greg [00:25:01]:
And there's a really important person that comes along in, in the in the history of this, a guy by the name I can't even say his first can you say his first name,

Dave [00:25:13]:
Erasmus. Yeah. Desiderius. I said I I'd have to read

Greg [00:25:17]:
read it again. Desiderius. That's right. Yeah. When I look at it, I can't it just jumbles in my head.

Dave [00:25:22]:
By the way, I was taught by my church history professor that anytime that the name Erasmus is mentioned, I'm supposed to hiss. So I'm gonna just do it once.

Greg [00:25:30]:
Okay. Erasmus. Okay.

Dave [00:25:33]:
Because Erasmus, as much as he did, that was really good. He was a compromiser. He was constantly Yeah. Flip flopping on things to his to save his life.

Greg [00:25:43]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:25:44]:
So, anyway, so I just got that over. We'll get to that.

Greg [00:25:46]:
So Erasmus

Dave [00:25:47]:
But he's a great human a Christian humanist figure.

Greg [00:25:50]:
Right. So he's born in 1466. He dies in 1536. So he's got, how many years is that, 70 years. 70 years. 70 years. And he become he comes to be known as the prince of humanism, and in a in a positive way in that his cry is back to the sources. And one of his quotes is, he says, one must hasten, ad, Ad Fontes, to the sources.

Greg [00:26:20]:
And and his cry was to go back to the sources, back to the original text, backs to back to the writings of the church fathers so that we could gain understanding. It wasn't about what all of these professionals said, what all of these thinkers said, what all of these commentaries said. It was to go back and study, to study, to study what the original text said. And and and this drove so many people like John Calvin, and, and and it was it was Martin Luther, who's very much a humanist, to go back to the sources. And Erasmus got into the the Greek and Latin work with the New Testament, and, and he did so much work with the Latin New Testament that he translated it into the Greek, and his copy of the Greek New Testament ends up being the Textus Receptus, the Received

Dave [00:27:26]:
So you're saying he translated the Latin in it?

Greg [00:27:28]:
No. The his no. No.

Dave [00:27:30]:
His He was working in the Right. His his text are critical work. His text are

Greg [00:27:33]:
critical work. Text is critical critical work

Dave [00:27:35]:
Yeah.

Greg [00:27:36]:
Gotcha. In studying the original text and and getting all that together is what becomes the textus receptus, the received text, which is what King James will use to make the King James Bible. And so before you put Erasmus on a pedestal, there's some important things to note about him. Yeah. His Dave hisses again. And, you know, like, everybody has their positives and their negatives. Yep. Great.

Greg [00:28:09]:
Some are more than others. And his drive to go back to the sources was was great. It was virtuous. It was wonderful. He was a Catholic. He was a Catholic at heart, and and his lens at looking through things led him that way, and he had a problem with the bondage of will. He debated with Luther on that. Luther believed that that man's will was completely in bondage, and Erasmus disagreed with him, and he Erasmus is wrong on that.

Greg [00:28:44]:
And Erasmus was a compromiser. That is true. And and a lot of people hold up they wanna hold up the King James as a as a great text, and it it was the best text at the time.

Dave [00:28:58]:
Yeah. I

Greg [00:28:58]:
agree. A

Dave [00:28:59]:
100%. Yeah. It was awesome.

Greg [00:29:00]:
And the King James is still a good a good text to use. It is a good translation, and we talked about it in our episode on choosing Bible translations, but it does not come from the best Greek text that is available, and it does have some problems. It doesn't have problems that compromise the word of God.

Dave [00:29:25]:
Correct.

Greg [00:29:26]:
That's important to understand. Yeah. But, for our King James only friends who want to make the accusation that new translations are tampering with the word of God and are the devil's work, They're just going astray in that. But Erasmus was really important. He was the prince of of humanism, Christian humanism, and this drive to go to go back to the sources, back to the sources, back to the text. And it was this huge that's what Ad Fontes was. It was back to the sources. It wasn't looking at commentaries.

Greg [00:30:02]:
It wasn't looking at at what all of these great thinkers were saying about Christianity and about the epistles and about Jesus and about the sayings, and it was to get back to what the text said and what the what the early church fathers were saying and what they were writing so that they get their understanding from them. Cool. So, so back to the sources. What are the sources then? I kinda said it, but

Dave [00:30:29]:
Okay. Can we can we backtrack a little bit? I don't know. Fill in a little bit. Yeah. Okay. I'll allow it. I'll allow it. Yeah.

Dave [00:30:36]:
Permission granted. Alright. So, I I loved the summary. I think it was great. Let me fill in a little historical. So one of the things that really fed into this was, believe it or not, the rise of the Ottoman Empire coming up and conquering Turkey and pushing up. Remember, they almost came all the way up to the edge of Austria. Right? Right.

Dave [00:31:03]:
And, the scholars and and monks who were in the Byzantine area or what we call Turkey today, that that used to be a whole Christian area. Right? Mhmm. And all the scholars who were basically monks in the monasteries, they basically fled ahead of the Ottoman Empire, and they took all of their historical documents and resources with them. And so they came, a lot of them came to Italy, and a lot of them came up into the monasteries into Europe. And in particular, a lot went to a university in Florence, and so Florence is considered the birthplace of the Renaissance, and they had actually brought the best scholar from, they had brought the best scholar in from from I think he was from Constantinople at the time or Byzantium. But interestingly enough, they actually asked him for specific titles of works to bring with him when they hired him to be a part of that. So even I look at it as God bringing a whole bunch of factors together to bring about this great reformation in the west, even using what we would consider a really bad thing of the the Islamic world conquering the Christian east. And but in doing so, he drove the sources that we could go back to

Greg [00:32:33]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:32:33]:
Up into Western Europe. Yep. So that's one thing, and then let let me dive a little bit into the humanism piece because I I think it would be really helpful to so it's a like you were saying, it's a biblical humanism because God has a very high view of man. Right? We're the only mans made in God's image. You know, Psalm 8 talks about man is made a little while lower than the angels, which means at some point, we're gonna be higher than the angels. Right? So he's given us dominion. So part of what Erasmus and the other Christian humanists were doing was acknowledging the great place that God has for man in the world and acknowledging that by saying, look, through education, art, through engineering, we can express dominion over the world. And so I look at Christian humanism as an awesome thing Mhmm.

Dave [00:33:30]:
And a good thing that that was brought back to the west. And so you see all of these situations that happen that are seemingly unrelated historical movements, and God uses these circumstances and brings about all of these as if in the confluence, and it it sparks this thing that we now call the reformation. And so it gives us the source to go back to it gives us the fontest to odd as it were, when we say odd fontest. So

Greg [00:34:03]:
And and one of the folk focuses of the the Christian humanism was on the laity. It was it was

Dave [00:34:10]:
Yes. It was The common man is.

Greg [00:34:12]:
It was the common man. The common man has the ability to study. The common man has the ability to know God's word, to learn God's word, and it was the responsibility to equip the common man for that. And, one of the rallies of humanism was the education and learning, and one of the cries was heart and mind. It was to build up the heart and mind of the believers, and that's why education was so important, to the Christian humanist because it was it was

Dave [00:34:49]:
to fully develop this well rounded, well roundedness of of the believer and of man because of this high view that they had of man. Yeah. If you think about just think about going into a church where you can't read any of the documents. This is for the common person. Right. You can't even if you could read in your own language, which was pretty rare. Right? Some estimates are as low as, you know, 5 to 10% literacy rates for common people. You so you go into a church.

Dave [00:35:21]:
You can't read anything. You don't know what they're saying. Right. And you you memorize a bunch of Latin prayers that you might not even understand. You just know you're supposed to say them, and then you have that guy up there or, you know, maybe a rotating group of people, over your lifetime who come in, and they tell you what all this Latin stuff means.

Greg [00:35:48]:
Mhmm.

Dave [00:35:48]:
And so the human Christian humanism comes in and says, look. We need to get you we have a high view of you as an individual. You have the capacity, and you can see where the doctrine of individual soul liberty and the priests of the believer come out of this in the reformation where the individual is elevated and given the opportunity to read the text in their own language, their heart language, if you want to call it that. Sure. And the teaching because they could get back to the original, the scholars, and pastors, and priests are now seeing that the Bible actually teaches these things because they're not just talking about who argued this against that, and who taught that. They're actually going back to the scriptures and going, oh, this is what the actual scriptures say, which is really cool. So what are some of the sources?

Greg [00:36:44]:
So going back to the sources would be ultimately going back to the the text. Yeah. And going back to the test text ideally in its original languages. And that's why it's, and I wanna be careful here. That's why it's important for pastors who have the ability to to learn, to study the scriptures in the original languages. There have been many, men who, have not had that opportunity and have had faith for ministry teaching God's word and have done it faithfully and have handled God's word faithfully without being able to do that, and they shouldn't be guilted for that. Correct. That I heard I heard one preacher talk about that personally for him, knowing the Greek and and having a handle, it's really it's really hard to master Greek and Hebrew.

Greg [00:37:42]:
Agree. I understand. But knowing the Greek and having some Hebrew gives you confidence to not have to rely on the commentaries and to rely on others. Mhmm. Yeah. But at the same time, if you don't know the Greek and Hebrew, with some with some research and some wisdom, you can learn to trust who some good commentators are. So so you can do you can do that. Yeah.

Greg [00:38:10]:
But then to go back and to read the early writers, to to take some time to read the the church fathers, to read what and to know what people in the in the late 1st century, in the 2nd century, in the 3rd century were writing before before the Roman Catholic church, started taking over and and writing things. Yeah.

Dave [00:38:34]:
Was that bold, Dave? No. No. It wasn't bold. Yeah. I agree. I think the and and particularly the the fontess was first and foremost, like you said, the the text of the scriptures, and that's what created the the reformation. It just it doesn't take long as you've pointed out many times, Chad, for the early church to to get off course. Right? Go drifting.

Dave [00:39:02]:
Yeah. And so always back, and I I've I've just kind of a side note here. It's really fascinating if you look whenever you see people get back to the scriptures. There are big or even mini reformations. I don't think it's a compliment to any religious group or church group that when people start reading their bibles, big changes happen. I don't think that's a good thing. Yeah. And I can't imagine defending that, but I know they do.

Dave [00:39:40]:
But yeah. So I and I I think, you know, and a real practical level for our churches, if we really wanna see reformation in our churches, we wanna see God working. Let's get people reading their scriptures. Yeah. Let's read the text. Let's get back to the text. Let's preach through the Bible. Let's read through the Bible.

Dave [00:39:59]:
Let's do Bible study where we're going verse by verse and seeing what we can get out of it, and that's going to do us better than arguing over what Augustine said versus what Aquinas said versus what Pelagius said versus what I think we've all known that super old Christian that may have never gone to even college, but they have been reading their Bible for 90 years or whatever it is. Yeah. And anytime you ask them a question about a text, you know, I was thinking about this, and they have something that God's used in their life from that text, and they have interesting theories about what that verse means versus what this verse means or how it connects to, you know, I was thinking about the connection between the Old and New Testament, and I've done blah blah blah blah. Yeah. Right? I think if we had more of those type of people, we would have more reformations and more healthy churches. Yeah. Yeah. So I think you're right.

Dave [00:40:58]:
I'd find this baby. Yeah. And minor side note, I mean, that that kinda it's a nice it's a nice reminder that, you know, we we rail on the church growth movement and everything, but this idea of, oh, we wanna grow the church with young people, 18 to 35, that's our key demo. You lose what you're talking about when you do that. Yeah. If you decide, oh, we just wanna grow with young people or, oh, we just want this this particular demographic, that multigenerational. Yeah. You know?

Dave [00:41:28]:
How can we integrate the generations versus how can we separate the generations?

Dave [00:41:32]:
How can we get the more mature, wiser men to bring up the younger generations if we decided that, yeah, that's not our that's not

Dave [00:41:42]:
our bag. We need to Paul says something about that in Timothy and Titus too, don't we? I think he does. Nah. We don't need to do that, though. Yeah. Just kidding. Older men, younger men Yeah.

Dave [00:41:53]:
And some younger women. The consultant didn't mention it, so it must not be important. Mhmm.

Dave [00:41:59]:
We've gone off track a

Dave [00:42:00]:
little bit here. Sorry. That's No.

Dave [00:42:02]:
No. No. That wasn't your fault. No. No. That's good. Yeah. So a lot of if you think about a lot of the church doctrines that we think coming out of the reformation, you have sola scriptura.

Dave [00:42:12]:
Right? I mean, that's that's a Ad Fontis. Ad Fontis. Right? A theological version of it. And as we've mentioned in our previous sola scriptura episode, I mean, that's what the New Testament points back to. The New Testament does not point forward to the church fathers. It points back to the apostle's teaching. Yes. It does.

Dave [00:42:30]:
Right? You want to fight, Jude says, for the faith once delivered. Once. Yeah. So that's looking back at doctrine. All scriptures inspired and profitable are doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction, and righteousness. However you want to interpret, and if you don't know what I'm talking about here, go back to that episode. Mhmm. But however you wanna interpret what inspiration means, the scriptures are profitable for doctrine.

Dave [00:42:54]:
Yeah. You you can you can claim whatever about inspiration. I I tell you my preferred definition there, but the scriptures are profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say you should look forward to the tradition. So Yeah. That's a odd font to think. Think about individual soul liberty that the individual is held responsible for their status before God, and they are responsible to develop their own set of beliefs from the scriptures. Yeah.

Dave [00:43:22]:
And that's individual soul liberty. So you can't force somebody to convert. This is if you think about it, can you force somebody to become a believer? No. Then why do we well, I won't go into the baptism, but there's some implication there if you think about it.

Greg [00:43:39]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:43:39]:
Right? Think of the priest or the believer. Right? Whereas before you had all these layers between the common person and the church and the and the and God. You know, you had the pope, then you had the cardinals, and then you had the bishops, and then you had the priests, and then you had your monks. And however, you know, there's these layers and layers and layers and language difference, and and the reformers came along and said, no. Each per individual is a priest before God, and they have accessed through the great high priest, and so that you can see how that easily now that didn't come from the belief in Adventist. It came from the scriptures.

Dave [00:44:20]:
Right.

Dave [00:44:20]:
Right? But it is a direct side effect, or byproduct, I should say, from the notion of Adventist, and you can just see how much of the reformation just flows from God bringing about those philosophical, hermeneutical, biblical assumptions, Christian humanist assumptions. Right.

Dave [00:44:39]:
Yeah. And

Greg [00:44:40]:
and, like, every every reformation or or every revival that happened wasn't because they discovered something new. It's because they went back to the sources over and over again. They go back to the sources. And and we we look at the world today and, like, I I get on in my whether it's in my email or I if I jump on social media and I get ads, and I'm getting ads that are like, hey, pastor. We've got new research into this demographic. Mhmm. We've got new research on how to reach this group. We got we got new ways to do this and to reach and new methods to reach and and, like, the world the world is crazy, and the world is just it it is so messed up.

Greg [00:45:29]:
People are just hungering and craving for something. Yeah. And they're trying to fill a void in their life, and they're they're they're looking and they're searching. And you think about the what we talked about with the the scholasticism, and it was it was the experts taking all of the ideas and teachings and debate them debating them. And what what are people doing right now? They're looking for the experts. Right? What are the experts? You know, like, and and I don't mean to be political about this, but, like, people don't think. It's just like trust the science, and they trust it. They do what they're told.

Greg [00:46:09]:
They they believe this. They believe that because it's what they're told. And they're looking for someone to validate them. They're looking for someone to tell them what to do. They're looking for someone to celebrate them. They're looking for they're looking for something, and and they don't know what it is. And the church is, like, trying to figure out, how do we do that? How do we market How do we how do we, how do we get them involved? How do we get them in the doors? How do we keep them in the doors? Do we need more lights? Do we need more fog machines? Do we need, less? Do we need to have a bigger outreach? Do we need Incense. We need incense.

Greg [00:46:52]:
Incense. That's what we need to try. Okay?

Dave [00:46:55]:
Well, I'm writing this down.

Greg [00:46:57]:
You're writing down the incense

Dave [00:46:58]:
idea? Incense. If we don't have that on Sunday, I'll be dis

Greg [00:47:00]:
That's exactly what we need. So I I wanna go I'm gonna read a scripture now for you. Okay.

Dave [00:47:07]:
Redefining smoke machine right there.

Greg [00:47:09]:
I'm gonna go to Isaiah 8, and, it says, bind up the testimony. Seal the teaching among my disciples. I will wait for the Lord, who's hiding his face from the house of Jacob, and hope with them. Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are signs and port importance in Israel from the lord of hosts who dwells on the mountain. And I will say to you, inquire of the mediums, and the necromancers should chirp and mutter. Should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? So it's like they're inquiring in every single way. They're trying to find it's like they're desperate for answers. They're searching, to the mediums.

Greg [00:47:55]:
They're searching to the necromancer, whatever it may be, and it's like our culture. They're looking for answers everywhere, And verse 20 says, to the teaching and to the testimony. That's a call to the sources. Yeah. If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. They will pass through the land greatly distressed and hunger. And when they are hungry, they will be enraged and will speak contemptuously against their king and their God, and they will turn their faces upward. So to the teaching and to the testimony, to the teaching and to the testimony.

Greg [00:48:36]:
Like, over and over again, when you read Scripture, they're called back to the law. Read the law. Read God's Word. Proclaim the law. In the Old Testament, over and over again, what did they do? They open they open the scripture. They read the law. When when a king takes over, they they open and they read the law. They just they just read the whole thing.

Greg [00:49:01]:
They'd they'd sit there all day long and listen to them read read the law, and then that's what they do. They go back to the sources, and it's it's not looking forward to some method or some strategy or some barn of poll that's gonna tell us how we're gonna reach. It's it's to go back to the testimonies, to go back to the scripture, to the sources, ad fantas.

Dave [00:49:25]:
Yeah. Cool. Let me read let me walk through one New Testament passage that's very similar to that.

Greg [00:49:31]:
Go go for it.

Dave [00:49:32]:
So if I ever if I ever get to nobody's gonna ask me to do this, but if I ever get asked to do this, I'm gonna preach on on a philosophy of ministry for the modern era. I'm gonna just preach through 2nd Timothy 3 in the beginning of 4 because, basically, the chapter kinda lays out like this. It says to Timothy is received this letter from Paul who said, look. I'm about to die. I'm passing on what I know to you. And so he says, look. 1st 1 of chapter 3 in 2nd Timothy. But realize this, that in the last days, difficult times will come for men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobeying to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although he denied its power.

Dave [00:50:24]:
Avoid such men. So he basically says, look. It's it's kinda like what's gonna happen today. Right? In the last days, this is this is what is gonna happen.

Greg [00:50:34]:
Was he looking at the US

Dave [00:50:36]:
House of Representatives? I'm not no comment. Okay. Yes. So so then he basically says, look. These false believers and false teachers are or people who are, you know, behave this way, these evil men will come. They're gonna come in. They're gonna captivate weak women in in these households. They're gonna lead them away into sin.

Dave [00:50:59]:
There's gonna be false teaching. And so he says, look. You, verse 10, you follow my teaching. You conduct yourself, right, with faith, patience, love, perseverance. Right? Handle persecutions. And then and then he says, so do what I did, and then he says, remember what you learned from your mother and your grandmother. You learned the scriptures. Right? And then he goes into that famous passage.

Dave [00:51:24]:
All scripture is inspired by God and profitable profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. So his solution to the modern dilemma is get back to the scriptures, and this is why I sometimes I'm frustrated by how the Bible is divided in the English Bible into chapters and verses because then you wanna go, oh, chapter 3 is end. Let's stop, and we can start a new message. Yeah. But the thing is chapter 4 is a continuation of that, and he says, look. All scripture is inspired, and, oh, yeah, chapter 4 verse 1, solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing in his kingdom, preach the word. Be ready in season and out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with great patience and instruction.

Dave [00:52:14]:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but one thing they have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will aside turn aside the myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship to the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Greg [00:52:32]:
Yeah.

Dave [00:52:33]:
So what's what's the solution? Preach the word. Preach the word. Go back to the scriptures.

Greg [00:52:39]:
Yeah. Mhmm.

Dave [00:52:41]:
Ad Fontes, baby. Ad Fontes.

Dave [00:52:44]:
Yeah. Not realizing what direction this episode would go, but I actually had a an interesting exchange with someone at Greg's son's wedding. Kind of a newer believer. He came to faith about 2 years ago. And at one point in the conversation, he said, what are you reading these days? Who who who are you reading? What's, what's got your attention? And I think a lot of the reason I answered this way is because of this podcast and and what we're doing here. I told him, I said, the Bible. I'm just not looking for devotionals or anything else. I'm just going back to the Bible and working my way through that.

Dave [00:53:25]:
Yeah. And he was like, oh, yeah. Because I remember what it was like when I was, like, 2 years into it, and I was like, oh,

Greg [00:53:33]:
I can read this guy, and

Dave [00:53:34]:
all these great minds are available to me and blah blah blah, but it's almost like it's shortcuts. You know? You you'd really need to go Ad Fontes, back to the source. Mhmm.

Dave [00:53:43]:
Can I tell a funny story from when I was teaching at the Bible College? Sure. I'd get freshmen would come in, and they they would take theology 1, which was a survey of, you know, what we did was, what we did is called it the 10 doctrines. So the way that the Bible college taught, we had 10 different doctrines, and eschatology is what you believe about end times. And almost inevitably, a student would come in once every year or 2, and after 1 year of being at the Bible college, they would come up to me and go, you know, I know what I believe about eschatology now, and I had a hard time just not laughing because and then, but usually, I would do something like, so have you read through your Bible once on your own yet? And sometimes they would, and I'm like, well, how many times have you read through? Right? And like read through your bible for 10 years, and then talk to me about what you think about eschatology. Because how do you know what you think about eschatology if you literally haven't read through your scriptures over and over again on your own? You can believe what someone tells you, but you there's no way you can say you've processed that from the scriptures. Yeah. Anyway, we can take that up. No.

Dave [00:55:01]:
That's okay. But it it's true. You just you have to get back to the sources, and you you have to you have to be willing to be humble enough to say, I could be wrong, and I'm going to read commentators and other people in order to check myself Yeah. Against some other sources, but I'm not gonna use those as my ultimate authority. Yeah. And it's really hard not to do that because we all have the tendency to have people we like to follow.

Greg [00:55:28]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Dave [00:55:29]:
Yeah. You know? We have we all have our own favorites. Oh, yeah. We all know who Craigslist. Joe Olsteen. Yeah. I was thinking more PW. Oh.

Dave [00:55:38]:
Anyway. We but we like, I remember having mine. Right? And I still have readers or commentators that I prefer because I trust them. I'm a big DA Carson fan. Right? He's a good Canadian. He is. He went to McGill. We talked about that already.

Dave [00:55:54]:
Yep. Yeah. Molson unit Molson dorm he was in. Mhmm. Yep. Smooth. Molson is better. Yep.

Dave [00:56:03]:
Anyway, the dorm, I mean.

Greg [00:56:05]:
Anyway. He wrote The Gagging of God. Yeah.

Dave [00:56:09]:
It was a long book. Yeah. He's probably the my favorite New Testament scholar, but I won't I won't ever just trust him because and he wouldn't want me to.

Greg [00:56:21]:
Right. Paul is my favorite new testament scholar.

Dave [00:56:24]:
Good stuff.

Dave [00:56:25]:
Yes. Got a good stuff. Ed Fontes, baby. So I think good stuff is becoming our let's go.

Dave [00:56:35]:
It's go time. Oh, It's go time, baby.

Dave [00:56:42]:
Life application. I mean, we we kinda talked about going back to the source. Right? Going back to your Bible. So going back

Greg [00:56:49]:
to your Bible, another one would be if your church is more committed to programs and methods and gimmicks and flashy things or traditions and rituals than they are about clearly proclaiming God's word and the whole counsel of God's word, then you have a lot of prayer to do about the church that you're in.

Dave [00:57:16]:
I have to say this as a former Greek professor. If anybody out there is considering studying, or going to seminary or going to Bible college, Do the hard work of taking Greek at least. And if you can take both Greek and Hebrew, do that. Even if you don't get the greatest grade, even if you don't develop facility to sight read, just having 1 year of Greek is going to it will make you a little bit dangerous, but it'll give you access to some of the tools that you wouldn't have otherwise. And it'll be really, really helpful. And if you are out there and you're interested, I'm gonna put a plug in for Alpha with Angela. It's a pretty creative way to learn, but, Alpha with Angela is a YouTube channel, and I think she's up to almost 40 episodes now. Okay.

Dave [00:58:08]:
And you can learn the language fairly pain free, if you just put the time in. Yeah. And I won't even try to describe how you do it. You just watch the video and try to talk back, and you can learn the language. It's a very effective method. It's actually best research method. It's kinda like learning like a baby learns a language. So if you wanna do It's

Greg [00:58:29]:
how Dave it's how Dave learned to talk.

Dave [00:58:31]:
Like a baby. It's true. I did. I got 2 languages that way.

Greg [00:58:36]:
You did? Sweet. What was the other one?

Dave [00:58:39]:
Japanese. Oh.

Greg [00:58:40]:
How'd you learn that?

Dave [00:58:42]:
When I was a missionary kid.

Dave [00:58:43]:
Ding ding.

Dave [00:58:44]:
I was actually born. I was born there. Yeah. So but the other thing is if you want Hebrew, this one has over a 120 episodes, and it works really well too as Aleph with Beth Mhmm. Which is a way to learn Hebrew using the same methodology that Aleph with Angela is doing. So both looking both up on the YouTube.

Dave [00:59:05]:
How do you spell Aleph?

Dave [00:59:06]:
Aleph, aleph,

Dave [00:59:09]:
with Beth. Okay. Yeah. You're welcome, listener. Aleph.

Dave [00:59:14]:
Yes.

Dave [00:59:14]:
Aleph with Beth.

Dave [00:59:15]:
Yes. And alpha, a l p h a, of course Oh, yeah. With Angela.

Dave [00:59:20]:
So we thank you for joining.

Dave [00:59:21]:
We got a sigh out of Chad, but we didn't get a big oh, wait. Did we get a sigh out of him? I think

Dave [00:59:25]:
that's happened. I think I'll dub it in if it hasn't.

Dave [00:59:28]:
There we go.

Greg [00:59:29]:
There.

Dave [00:59:30]:
But that didn't really come from me frustrating you, so my greatest joy is when I hear that heave of you frustrated with me.

Dave [00:59:37]:
Alright. So that is part 6 of our 6 part series on the 5 solas. What about a 7th? We could do a 7th. Yeah. We know the 192 theses. We're you're chopping at the bit to do it, but that's Nope. I got

Dave [00:59:51]:
some other ones I wanna do first. Including a Father's Day episode.

Dave [00:59:54]:
Yeah. We're gonna do that. So we hope you have gotten something out of this, out of the whole 6 part series on the 5 solos. And if we missed anything, if you want to hear anything else, if you have any questions for us, you wanna try to stump the chumps. No. It'd be almost impossible because

Dave [01:00:17]:
We have the Google.

Dave [01:00:18]:
We have the Google. That's right. We could prep for weeks before we answered your question. You'd never know it. Please reach out to us at the fish at catfishministries.com. That's the fish at catfishministries.com.

Dave [01:00:30]:
And it's a real fish that answers. Right?

Dave [01:00:32]:
Oh, it is. Yes. And the fish's name is? Chad.

Dave [01:00:40]:
Did I did I blow that one for you?

Greg [01:00:41]:
I was I was opening it up for creativity.

Dave [01:00:45]:
I was just being curious.

Dave [01:00:46]:
Want you to express your creativity.

Greg [01:00:48]:
Dave, you know what you call a fish with no eyes?

Dave [01:00:54]:
Perfect. Good dad joke. That is a

Dave [01:00:56]:
good dad joke. Have we told that one before?

Dave [01:00:59]:
Yes. I think he has. I think we have. You may we may not have done it on the air, but you have told me that before. K. Well, now

Dave [01:01:09]:
it is on the air. So, we thank you for your time. Whoop. What do you got? Oh, I thought you're gonna do something.

Greg [01:01:17]:
You should

Dave [01:01:17]:
take us.

Dave [01:01:18]:
He raised his hand. Maybe it was a Canadian gesture of some sort.

Dave [01:01:22]:
Mhmm.

Dave [01:01:23]:
Thank you, and we will be doing other series in the future. Dave wants to do a 9 a 192 theses series that will

Dave [01:01:33]:
take some time. And 193 episodes.

Dave [01:01:36]:
A 190. Let's make it an even 200. Okay. And then, of course, we missed a bunch of bible translations in the translation episodes, so we'll probably do a 100 part series on the other translations that we missed.

Dave [01:01:52]:
So don't you're gonna drive people away, Chad. No. Don't make these things up.

Dave [01:02:00]:
But for just 599, we won't do any. Thanks for joining us at Catfish Ministries. We hope you learned something with us and maybe had a laugh or 2 while you're at it. Please subscribe and leave a 5 star review. If you really like what you heard and wanna help us make more of these, look us up on buy me a coffee.com. We can't wait to talk to you again next time. This is Chad for Greg and Dave signing off and saying remember America, it's always a great day to get catfished.