Meaning and Moxie After 50
Females and Sports and Strategies for Inner Calm through Breathwork
A new chapter in life isn't reserved for the young; it's a spark that can ignite at any stage, as Jenny Cheifetz demonstrates.
This episode is not merely a conversation about change; it's a toolkit for everyday life. We explore breathing techniques and visualization exercises and uncover how these simple practices can become our allies against stress and anxiety.
We also discuss Jenny's podcast, Sideline Sisters, which is a place for gals to talk about all things sports related. She tells us about some of her former and future guests and their perspectives in the sports world like coaches, athletes, trainers, sports psychologists, parents, announcers etc.
Jenny shines a light on the triumphs and hurdles in sports giving it a fresh, fun, informative and female point of view. Listen in!
You find all things related to Jenny below.
https://jentlecoaching.com/
**The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content and materials available on this site are for general informational purposes only. Information on this podcast may not constitute the most up-to-date legal or other information. This podcast contains links to other third party websites. Such links are only for the convenience of the reader, user or browser.
A new chapter in life isn't reserved for the young; it's a spark that can ignite at any stage, as Jenny Cheifetz demonstrates.
This episode is not merely a conversation about change; it's a toolkit for everyday life. We explore breathing techniques and visualization exercises and uncover how these simple practices can become our allies against stress and anxiety.
We also discuss Jenny's podcast, Sideline Sisters, which is a place for gals to talk about all things sports related. She tells us about some of her former and future guests and their perspectives in the sports world like coaches, athletes, trainers, sports psychologists, parents, announcers etc.
Jenny shines a light on the triumphs and hurdles in sports giving it a fresh, fun, informative and female point of view. Listen in!
You find all things related to Jenny below.
https://jentlecoaching.com/
**The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content and materials available on this site are for general informational purposes only. Information on this podcast may not constitute the most up-to-date legal or other information. This podcast contains links to other third party websites. Such links are only for the convenience of the reader, user or browser.
So are you looking for more inspiration and possibility in midlife and beyond? Join me, Leslie Maloney, proud wife, mom, author, teacher and podcast host, as I talk with people finding meaning in Moxie in their life after 50. Interviews that will energize you and give you some ideas to implement in your own life. I so appreciate you being here. Now let's get started. My guest this week is Jenny Shafetz. She is a life coach and breath work facilitator, married, raising two teens, and has a really cool podcast called Side Line Sisters, which is a place for the girls to share about sports Interviews with athletes, coaches, experts, fans and more All things sports related. Hope you enjoy our interview. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you for having me. Yeah, help us get to know you a little bit. You are an empowerment coach and breath work facilitator and you've been doing that for a while, and you have this amazing podcast that married a couple of kids. So take us back into how you got into coaching, Sure.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, the journey's been windy, but the development really happened. During the pandemic. I had a home base food business that, serendipitously, I decided to close up at the beginning of 2020. I had just decided I was done with that. I had had that for about 10 years, a little more, and it was grueling. I was doing that by myself and it was lovely, it was fulfilling, it was joyful, but it was literally backbreaking. It was physically taking a toll on my body.
Speaker 1:So it was home based.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I worked out of my home. I had a truck, so it was mobile. I had a food truck, basically.
Speaker 2:So I did a lot of events, deliveries, a lot of corporate stuff, a lot of college stuff. But I had that sliding window. That was very fun, but I'd be leaning over out of the window and it was just really physical and I was a one woman operation. So I was baking from scratch and cleaning, making a giant mess and doing marketing and social media and then going out and doing these giant events homecoming and employee appreciation and it was lovely, but it had run its course. So I finished that up at the beginning of February 2020, and then, yay, glad I had time. Good timing, yeah, good timing.
Speaker 2:So when I was home, I was scrolling social media and saw this ad for working with a life coach. It was this group program virtual, obviously and it just spoke to me and I was like, oh, I have a lot of demons and issues and things that kind of popped. It was just all the stars aligned and I said, oh, I could really use this and work on some stuff that I have not looked at over the last 30 years, that just all that spiritual bypassing and just stuff that I had been circling and trying to deal with through the gym and just my own ways. But it wasn't working. So, yeah, I saw this ad and I said, great, perfect, 30 day program, very low ticket. So I did that and, like many, many a low ticket item. It is low ticket so that it can give you a taste. And then say, oh, if you like this, we have another program, which is fine, because I'm a coach now and I would do the same thing. Say, if you like this free content, I can give you more and better if you do a one on one, so, or this more intense, more involved program at a higher price. And yeah, why not?
Speaker 2:So I went all in two feet cannonball and I joined the next program and I was seeing value. I was doing the work. I did everything they told me to do. I was doing the meditations, I was doing the journaling, I was doing the group calls. I did everything and I noticed changes. Yeah, I saw the transformation. So, yeah, this was all throughout a couple months now.
Speaker 2:So that coach then said, hey, guys, in the program I have this amazing opportunity for a. I think she might have cherry picked and said I don't remember now because it's a few years, but she had a call where she welcomed us to meet her mentor that she did her training through. Who was a coach? Who did certification courses? I thought to myself I so valued the coursework I was doing that I looked in the mirror and said maybe I should be a coach. It was just a moment, an epiphany of I loved what I was gaining and maybe I could offer something like this Obviously not the same work that I was doing on myself. It had a very niche purpose, the type of coursework I was doing with her but I thought maybe I should get certified. She's presenting this offer like a whisper from the universe. Right, this can't be an accident.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and it had resonance with you. That's what's most important, yeah Right.
Speaker 2:I just had to look at it as a sign. I jumped into that. I went on that call, met the mentor that she introduced and loved the energy, loved that connection. Okay, the course starts such and such date. The calls are on these day and time and it all aligned. It's not like it was going to conflict in any way. I ran it over with my husband and my family and I was like okay, I'm going to be on calls these times, everybody okay with this. This is the financial investment. It was, I think, a year, about a year commitment, and I did that.
Speaker 2:And then, partway through that course, again, it was that particular trainer that also offered breathwork certification. I fully admit in every interview I do, there was a bit of FOMO. Now, she incorporated breathwork into our coaching certification work. I did know what breathwork was. I experienced it. So I did see I felt the magic Did I. Was I as cannonballed into that as I was the coaching certification? No, was I blown away by breathwork? No, there was a bit of FOMO there, like, oh, yeah, I should add this to my resume or my offerings on my website. This helped my clients. Yes, this is something else I can include when I'm coaching people? Yes, but there was also. I was experiencing benefits enough that made it.
Speaker 1:What is this? I would imagine in general the whole course. If it went for a year, you probably were still getting a lot personally from it, because usually those types of courses are to help us develop. Then this breathwork piece came in for you and you're like let me take a closer look over here. Is that what happened?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like all right, now I've got to do additional work. There was a breathwork course that started midway through our coaching and I was like, uh-uh, I'm not ready to jump in now. I waited until the coaching was nearly done. I wasn't fully committed to the breathwork right away. I waited until the coaching cert was almost done. I was like I'm going and hawing. And then I was like, all right, I've done enough breathwork pieces at this point that I do see I have done enough sessions. I have felt it and no, I don't want to miss out.
Speaker 1:Which? Are you working with a couple of different techniques, or how does that go?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did my training and people can Google pause, pause breathwork. That's where I did my training. Pause teaches us five different methods or techniques. So we use, incorporate those techniques, depending on a client's intention. Then we can get creative with those. Obviously, I have agency. I can do what I want Within those techniques. I might, depending on a client's experience, what they're going through, what their medical background is, what their current situation is.
Speaker 2:It's all going to vary. If you have a history of hyperventilation, I'm going to take that into consideration. If you have trauma, it's all going to be based on an individual. Not one place fits all. So, yeah, it's all going to be individualized. Again, you know from yoga, it's not like you're going to expect every person to do down dog the same way. Someone can hold their breath for 10 seconds, 20 seconds, someone can hold it for three. It's all going to vary. You might have past trauma. You might have been abused. You might have been, as a child, locked in a closet or even just playing hide and seek. You held your breath because you were afraid. So now holding your breath is scary. It's just everyone has past trauma. That's going to mean different things to different people. So breath is related to that, so we all have to take that into consideration when I'm working with someone, so that kind of thing might come up in a breath session.
Speaker 2:So, that might, as I'm asking a client in a session to do what's called a top hold, holding your breath at the top like that you might all of a sudden break into tears while that's happening because all of a sudden you have a flash of being six years old, playing hide and seek, and that memory comes back to you. Yeah, yeah, it's like what's happening, leslie, and you realize, oh, my goodness, I just had this memory of being stuck in the closet and you couldn't get out and we have to remind you you're safe right now. Yeah, you're not little Leslie, stuck in the closet. We get into reparenting and inner child work and it's incredible the work that can come into a breath work session like that.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, it's really good stuff. It really is. We take it for granted, and just having some exercises under your belt to be able to calm yourself in different situations is such an important tool in the toolbox Is that how I like to call it? You know I have tools in my toolbox. That's one of them. What's your favorite when you're teaching, breath work and what you practice? Do you have a favorite go-to technique?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Honestly, it is the deep inhale to exhale, just a deep inhale to exhale, intention based, and that going right into you know, one into the next, making sure your body is not tense, so getting your body soft, loose. You know releasing all that tension. You know from yoga when you say relax your face and drop your shoulders, and you know get the brow, get the jaw, like release all of it, and do that. And if I'm maybe not in a public space, like if I'm in my car, I'll incorporate sound, you know, make that audible, sigh, that ocean breathing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, get that.
Speaker 2:If, also, if I'm feeling again, maybe if I'm not in the grocery line movement you know, shaking my hands while I'm doing that If I'm feeling really like I've got a lot of stuck energy, I might do a full body like I'm really getting like expelling all of it out of my body. So I might start that inhale up and then like throw it to the ground, kind of like you're throwing a weighted medicine ball to the ground. Yeah, and I'm not doing you know those at the gym like you're just throwing it to the ground. So, on that exhale, get the sound and the movement. That's the triple threat there the sound, the movement and the breath. Okay. But if I'm in the grocery line, if I'm in traffic just you know 10 or 15 of those if I'm in that grocery line or if I'm in that you know Disney style line at Marshall's, like I have been pretty much every day for the last week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Not sure when this is airing, but that's. That is where the holidays right now.
Speaker 1:And that's where you know the?
Speaker 2:or Costco, the line that goes all the way to the back of the store. It's. I might close my eyes and, if you know, my hands are on the grocery cart so I'm not going to fall down, but visualizing, you know that expression find a happy place. So that's, that's a serious. I use that in all seriousness in my work. Find a happy place. What is your place? And it doesn't.
Speaker 2:We're not talking, I'm not being cheeky and I'm not saying someone has to have some exotic, tropical, oh, bali, hawaii. No, do you have? Is it your backyard? Is it? Do you have a quiet place in your house, by the, the crackling fire, under a cozy blanket? Is it a bathtub? Is it a place from childhood, in a hammock, where grandma used to tell you stories? Is there a place that makes you feel safe and cozy? Can you go to that place in your mind and do those intentional mindful breaths and just get yourself centered out of the craziness of your mind? Yeah, the craziness also, not just the craziness of your mind, the craziness of this external noise, the negative mind chatter, the, the kind of missiles that you feel firing at you, the, the, maybe there's people in your life that are just constantly do this. You're not good enough. You didn't. You didn't follow through on this. I told you to buy wheat bread. You brought white bread. You didn't do this right. Can you tune that out for 30, 60, 90 seconds and just breathe?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It's literally is pressing the pause button, and we always make better decisions when we're able to press the pause button and just kind of step back. The thing about that is it really just centers us and gives us balance, and there's muscle memory in it. Do you find that the more you do it, the more you just go to it, maybe without even thinking. Your body just goes, oh yeah, take a breath, and so there's that muscle and it's habits, it's building that in and it becomes more routine in your life. And then, once again, a really important tool in the toolbox.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we all at this point. We've all heard of atomic habits, even if we haven't read it. So the habit stacking so even if you don't make time or book a session with me to know that it would be great to do a 30, 45, 60 minute session, the those, like I just said, 30, 60, 90 seconds can you stack? Can you know that? Can you make that habit, like we just said, to know that you're going to start or end your day doing that so? Or or, like I said, the car. So if you know that every day when you come home from work it's going to be a circus in your house, you know the kids, the, the spouse, the making dinner, the male, the all that stuff. So maybe when you get home from work your routine is you turn off the car, but before you get out of the car you take, you take a minute to do some breath work before you get out of the car.
Speaker 1:And I think it's you're also, in doing that, inherently making setting an intention. Okay, yes, right, I'm shifting here and I'm making setting an intention by calming myself down to go into this next situation More centered.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all know that we we don't have control over anybody else, or the weather, or the news cycle. We control ourselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it's not. It's not woo-woo, this is not woo-woo stuff. Certain conversations that, if I know they're gonna be hard conversations you know somebody's calling me and I can tell who it is I'm like, okay, yeah, take a breath and for me sometimes in that intention is a prayer. You know, please help me just say what I need to say, with love and that kind of thing. But also I can remember when I first started to get into some of this myself, like on it on a plane.
Speaker 1:I never had a really chronic or or acute fear of flying, but it was still not my favorite thing. But I Could feel myself sometimes when I would get on a flight, especially if I knew it was a long flight and I was stuck, I'm stuck in this situation, and I could feel the anxiety and just having Knowing that I could calm myself with that breath and I could feel, as we talk about it, I could feel myself kicking right into it. You know that's taken those and it really is. You know that might have stopped me from flying. If I didn't have that tool, I might have really started to just, you know, stay away from that. And then that becomes a bigger thing and you know, then, all of a sudden you're not doing the things you want to do because of Anxiety over certain situations.
Speaker 2:So yeah, which is so yeah?
Speaker 1:So is that pretty much the majority of the work when you work with clients. Is it a lot of? Is it a lot of breath work type type stuff?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's, it's. Yeah, I'm predominantly, I mean I. I encourage it because it's so powerful and and the great part about working with people using breath work is that they don't have to talk to me.
Speaker 1:Mmm. Which, which is providing them with the tool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it really is a nice, you know, it takes down that barrier, is it's not? You know, I'm not a therapist, I'm very clear about that. And if there's a client that doesn't Want to talk, at least right away, then Then we ease in and say, okay, let's, let's do this. And then I find that at some point they might Want to open up. Yeah, right, right away. It's like, okay, you don't have to actually tell me anything, you can tell me, tell me your intention. So I know how to craft the session. Yeah, it might, might be. You know, I started working with someone who had an issue with speaking up at work, speaking up for herself. So there was, there was an issue of confidence and, yeah, just using her voice. So there was started off with that. So we, we crafted some sessions around that and then eventually it led to relationship issues and being a doormat in in a relationship, and but that I don't think would have been the entry point.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of us want to enter, kind of then, you know, let me enter through this door and then see what happens, kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't think she ever would have started because she found me on Instagram.
Speaker 2:So I don't think she ever, whereas, you know, sometimes with therapists we get, you know, referrals and maybe that's, or in a community it might have been different. But being a total, complete stranger, maybe being a complete stranger would have been easier, but I don't know that she would have just started off saying so I'm a doormat in my relationship, I let this guy walk all over me and, yeah, let's, let's work on that. Most of us probably wouldn't start there and I don't. Yeah, I don't know that people even want to say that out loud period. Yeah, that's a. That's a hard thing to face. But once, yeah, once she, you know, broke through and and she was like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I broke through and and like, like you know, brett, like I said, I think I said this breath, work, moves, stuck, energy. So I think once she felt some release, felt this movement, then she had an awakening and it was like wait a minute, I see some things, yeah, see some things I don't like.
Speaker 1:So now I need to, I need to deal with it, and she it sounds like she was ready. She sounds like she was ready to do that too. So, so let's shift gears and talk about your new project.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 1:Um sideline sisters. You're the. You're the creator and podcast host of sideline sisters, and so tell us about your new project.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's very exciting, okay so. So it ties in a little bit with the breath work, because I do work with People who, a lot of people who are sports moms or in in that area of Stuckness related to sports.
Speaker 2:So, if there's a overwhelm and and that sort of thing in the sports arena. But really I am just at heart a sports lover and have a deep appreciation for Athletes and I spend a lot of free time if I have free time watching sports, cheering for, for teams. I, you know, I love a lot of teams, so I just love having sports on in the background. My favorites are tennis, football. I love a lot of Olympic sports. Yeah, I just, I love, I love watching sports. So I, yeah, I created this show so that I could talk about sports to other women who love sports and Get all kinds of different perspectives and angles and Different topics, different jobs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, different directions you can go with this and I really like that. You have created a space for Women in this conversation, because so often you hear the different radio shows and you know the different and women. I've started to move in there, but not not. This is a place for the gals to talk about their, whether they want to fan out on on something or they're not. Yeah, working within the sports industry?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, so I've had just the the, the depth and the breadth of conversations is so fascinating. I mean, I've talked to former athletes, current. You know marathoners and ultra runners and women who who work with athletes. You know they're Trainers and mindset coaches, people in College. You know the college realm, olympians In professional, like professional teams in it. You know the front office. Oh, my goodness, I mean, like you said, uber fans, sports moms, so really just A whole gamut and there's so many things I have yet to uncover. So it's, yeah, there's a. There's a lot on my wish list. I would love an agent, I would love a professional cheerleader, I would love a professional Coaches wife. I would. You know, there's just, there's a lot of untapped Perspectives as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and and even within all that, there's going to be the different perspectives from team, team, yeah, and even generational. It's such a fun, fun concept for a podcast. I'm really looking forward to to watching you and and Just seeing what you're up to, because it just seems like it's it's you know, I. I mean I imagine you do address some heavier topics to maybe like pressure and sports and things like that, but it also seems kind of lighter. Yeah, kind of kind of lighter too. Yeah, I mean I did interview there is at my alma mater, there's.
Speaker 2:A new position Of I'm basically director of mental health for all of athletics, so she's only been in that position for a year and a half I think, so I was able to interview her. So she's not a sports psychologist, she's a clinical psychologist, whereas I've also interviewed sports psychologists. So different positions, different titles, both in athletics. But, yeah, I have addressed nutrition, which was something I wanted to cover. So body image and the length, that and I wanna cover that more the lengths that athletes are going to fit into certain. There's certain sports that are more. They are weight based, and so that's the issue.
Speaker 1:Wrestling yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know rowing. She mentioned Sure. I mean I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1:It does I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2:So, and it's impacting boys more than I would have thought, and so there's just yeah, there are some heavier topics that I don't want to ignore.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then there's just the fun, like we were talking about before we started recording here. We were talking about Tom Brady, the fun fan stuff. You see somebody go into that zone or that flow state, and to me it becomes like a spiritual thing at that point because we all recognize like, oh, they're playing, they're in a different, they're on a different level, they have tapped into something, and that's why I think people are fascinated by Tom Brady or Michael Jordan or you know, there's more current athletes out there right now too. And we recognize we're waiting for that moment. We're waiting for those moments when we see those athletes kick in and they're they've gone somewhere and they're unstoppable, the really beautiful thing to watch and it's inspiring because I think it reminds all of us that we have all have that potential in different ways, maybe not on the football field or on the tennis court or whatever, but we all have that potential to find that place.
Speaker 2:And it's very cool to hear other athletes talk about other athletes. You know, when I listened to the Kelsey podcast to hear Travis talk about Patrick Mahomes and just to hear him basically talk about being in the presence of greatness week in and week out.
Speaker 2:I mean because he's, from what people say you know will be the go, like he is tapped in all the time and if you watch quarterbacks you know he's. He is the, you know, the disciplined, the regimented, and just he's there week in and week out, and just so to hear people talk about being around him is a blessing, and you know that players are lucky if they get to play with him.
Speaker 1:Right. One of my favorite movies is the Legend of Bagger Vance which a lot of people have not seen. Surprisingly, did you see that with Will Smith?
Speaker 2:and Matt Damon.
Speaker 1:I love that movie so much. For those who haven't seen it, it's you know it's a, it's a surrounding golf, which I'm not a really a big golf fan, but it doesn't matter, it could be any sport really. And it's about this character, matt Damon, who he's gone to. The war takes place back and like think around a little after World War one, so it's in the twenties and you know he's lost his mojo, essentially because of what he's experienced in the war and he's drinking and his life is falling apart and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And Will Smith comes in as sort of like his sage or his little angel, so to speak, and sort of helps him find his mojo back. But there's that whole concept in that movie where they talk about seeing the field and like seeing, like when you're getting ready to hit that shot, you know, and you kind of take that moment. It's really going back to breath work and all of that that's what breath work is trying to do too is to help you take that moment, tap in, see the field, and it's just such a beautiful Jack Lemon is in it too. It's just one of those movies that I think says so much and I love that it is built around sports, that's so funny.
Speaker 2:You know I have on my sideline sisters Facebook page. I have a pinned host of movie recommendations and I had forgotten all about that one, because I'm always looking to for sports movies. That's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that's really yeah, so you have that on your website On the yep on the sideline sisters Facebook page.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes, everyone should go and join.
Speaker 1:Talk about where people can find you. Of course, that's a good segue. Yeah, so so, gentle, coaching is my website.
Speaker 2:That's you know all things coaching and breath work. And then sideline sisters is the podcast, and then I have a Facebook page, also called sideline sisters, which is more fun and camaraderie for people just to just to connect with each other. It's people posting pictures of games they go to and they're like what games they go to and articles or news things they find about athletes. Someone posted something about a particular athlete that always hugs his mom before every game and just kind of yeah, like really newsworthy articles.
Speaker 2:Or I had interviewed a particular woman, julie, and in our interview we talked about this Duke quarterback who we had a great conversation about the Duke quarterback and I ended up posting on the sideline sisters Facebook page that he's no longer the Duke quarterback. There was a big article, so that kind of thing like hey, julie, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keeping the conversation going.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes so anyway, I had started to thread a couple months back saying what are you guys, what are your favorite sports movies here or mine? Please add to the list, because I'm always looking I'm sure I haven't seen them all because there's a whole lot of, there's a whole lot of sports movies. I mean I'd like I know I've seen a lot of them.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of them too.
Speaker 2:They're some of my favorites, yeah, because they're inspirational, they're uplifting, there's there's good messaging. Most of them are family friendly, if not all, and that's why we've seen so many of them, as you know, since my kids were little. Those are the movies. If not an animated movie, it's the sports ones that we would put on. Remember the Titans and, oh yeah, hoosiers Exactly.
Speaker 1:Hoosiers. Oh yeah, so my gosh yeah.
Speaker 2:Dreams and you know, obviously, rudy, I've always said this is my favorite. My dog's name, rudy, but you know there's so many at Miracle, is my husband's favorite, yeah, and so you know, these movies are so good for kids to see and we are Marshall and there's just great, great stories the rookie, and you know just great stories. So I'm always, but I don't think my kids have seen Bag or Vance.
Speaker 1:So Okay, yeah, it's funny. I just saw that Steven Pressfield who wrote that he's got. He's got a new book out it's not thinking the name of it right now, but yeah, he that's been on my mind recently because I see he's out promoting a new book, so hadn't thought of him.
Speaker 2:You know it's great is I actually took a class in college with the guy who wrote Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was such a good series yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a little class. I'm talking like around a conference table like 10 people, oh yeah. Yeah, he's incredible. I mean to write that book. He went and lived in that town and he's an amazing journalist. I mean he went and lived with those people and those characters, I mean, they're real people and he did the work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was. I don't know that I saw them, I know I didn't read the book and I don't know that I saw the original movie, but I definitely watched the series. Yeah, so good series was so good, gosh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I recommend the book, the book Okay. Yeah the books are usually always yeah better. Yeah, the book. The book, unfortunately, you'll say, is a little more depressing.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then sports has that side. There is that side to sports. You know that that's probably a whole other conversation, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so well listen.
Speaker 1:I have just really enjoyed this conversation. We could just keep going. I usually like to wrap things up with this question what does a meaningful and moxie filled life look like and feel like to you?
Speaker 2:Oh boy, yikes, I wish I would have loved a little prep for this.
Speaker 1:A spontaneous, I know.
Speaker 2:Okay. Speak from the heart, yes, meaningful and moxie filled. Oh well, I in my more recent. You know more and your audience should know I'm not yet 50, but as I'm almost 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah as I'm approaching 50, I am learning I authenticity is is where it's at for me. So I don't have the bandwidth for baloney. I'm gonna be I know you're. I'm assuming your podcast is clean, as mine is. So I just don't have room for for baloney, for BS, for for garbage. So it's it's all meaning, meaningful, as is what it's about for me. So I spend time with people who matter, so it's it's quality over quantity. I have trimmed the fat in my life. I I have deep declutter. I decluttered my life.
Speaker 2:So, I have. I have downsized my house, I have gotten rid of all the junk I have decluttered, literally and figuratively. So I spend time with people who matter and I don't. I don't, I don't fill my time. I decline invitations that that don't light up my life, and it's it's. I do a lot of volunteer work and I spend my time with people who matter and doing things that matter.
Speaker 1:So good, so good. Yes, but bring you meaning yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's really. It's that simple. And in addition, I try to live guilt free. So if I, if I want to go sit and watch the Australian Open or the upcoming Patriots Chiefs game, then I do that and I don't feel bad about it. So if I'm going to spend three and a half hours watching a football game, that is not three and a half hours that could have been spent doing something else. No it's three and a half hours of watching football.
Speaker 1:Yes, really yeah, I love that. I love that message so true, especially for women. You know who are, have, yeah, who are. Yeah. You tend to be like what's my list? That I got to get the groceries and the that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I'm so tired of that thinking of oh, that's ours. That could have been spent doing laundry or doing errands, or no, so it's time spent doing what I've chosen to do.
Speaker 1:That is a big one. That is a big one. Thank you for the reminder and I think a lot of our listeners are probably going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a big one. Yes, make your choice and stand by it.
Speaker 1:What a great way to, what a great note to end on. So thank you so much, jenny, and all the information that you where you can find Jenny will be in the show notes. So be sure and check those out and I look forward to checking in with you again and hearing how sidelines sisters is doing in the new year.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, Leslie, and I'm so grateful for you and our new friendship.
Speaker 1:I know this is great. This is great. This has been really fun. So thanks everybody for listening and we will see you soon. Take care Bye now. If this podcast was valuable to you, it would mean so much if you could take 30 seconds to do one or all of these three things Follow or subscribe to the podcast and, while they're, leave a review and then maybe share this with a friend if you think they'd like it. In a world full of lots of distractions, I so appreciate you taking the time to listen in. Until next time, be well and take care.