S1,E21: Entrepreneur/ Investor - Scott Paul

Ever wonder what it's like to dance on the razor's edge of innovation and health? Scott Paul joins me, Erik Nilsson, on Small Lake City podcast, and we're not holding back any punches—or wigs—as we traverse his entrepreneurial journey. From catching Disney’s attention with his startup to his latest mission, Fee Health, which could very well be the start of a new AI-driven religion aimed at extending human lifespan, Scott's narrative is as captivating as it is unorthodox. We're here to share the rollercoaster ride of creativity across different work avenues, and Scott's stories are a testament to the fact that where there's passion, there's a way.

It's not every day you meet someone who has sold iPad cases to the world and contemplated the ethical implications of cryopreserving humans with the hope of immortality. Our conversation meanders through Scott’s early business ventures, the twists of fate that lead from Y2K-inspired operations to the tranquil life of ranching, juxtaposed with the thrills of city living. We're also sizing up the future of influencer marketing, van life aspirations, and the resilience of crypto ventures through industry downturns—Scott's insights are like finding a hidden trail on a familiar mountain, revealing new perspectives at every turn.

Wrap up your headphones and join us as we ponder life’s big questions: Could a health-focused religion truly elevate humanity's health span? How does one balance the urge for community with the need for personal evolution? And sometimes, it's the simple pleasures, like donning a wig or joining a OneWheel gang, that infuse life with unexpected joy and connection. If you're looking for an episode that's brimming with laughter, learning, and the occasional leap into the extraordinary, you've found your match.

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Transcript

Erik Nilsson: 0:14

All right, what is up everybody, and welcome back to the Small Lake City podcast. I'm your host, eric Nielsen, and here we are in episode number 21, blackjack. Now. Our guest this week is probably one of the most eccentric people I've had on the podcast or maybe even met in my life, and especially in the Salt Lake area. His name is Scott Paul, and if you've heard of him, you know of his eccentric attitude, his love for wigs and wearing things that make people start a little bit.

Erik Nilsson: 0:43

But one of the nicest people with the best hearts in the world. He's someone who's supported so much of our community, and not just in the technology community, but all sorts of entrepreneurs and communities that he's built along the way. He's been a multi-time founder. He actually had a startup that was acquired by Disney, which led him to go work at Disney for a time until he found his way back to the Salt Lake City area, where he is now working on another startup called Fee Health, which he would argue is not much of a startup but rather a religion.

Erik Nilsson: 1:12

He is starting to help us all live longer and or potentially forever, with the help of the AI. So it's a very interesting concept, fun to hear about and fun to see how much it's even grown. But, yeah, let's sit down with him and I hope you guys are watching on YouTube because if you are, you're in for a treat, because we may or may not be recording in wigs, so if somebody will look forward to you there. But let's hear from Scott and his great story and how much he's helping the community today and hopefully you can get a glimpse of how amazing of a person that he is. So let's go here from me and Scott's conversation, enjoy Cool.

Scott Paul: 1:47

All right.

Erik Nilsson: 1:52

Yeah, that should be good. Okay, before we get started, though, Thank you, that's excellent. So first order of business second order of business, and you may have forgotten, I originally reached out.

Scott Paul: 2:05

Oh my gosh, you should record this in wigs. Yeah, of course we're doing that Of course we're doing that. Yeah Damn. Oh, my gosh, I should have brought one of my officials, but this is better than anything I could have brought.

Erik Nilsson: 2:19

Fist. Take it with you.

Scott Paul: 2:20

I don't have a. I don't.

Erik Nilsson: 2:21

I'm going to use sew-wig.

Scott Paul: 2:24

That's the first time everyone's giving me me wigs, sew-wig. That's good. I'm not using that. All right, we're doing this.

Erik Nilsson: 2:32

It's time to make, it's time to fully make wigs, just completely and socially.

Scott Paul: 2:37

It's just like. It's just like once Rogan's always in a wig. Then we've done it we arrived.

Erik Nilsson: 2:43

You knew, you knew, bro, you're still behind the times, oh yeah.

Scott Paul: 2:47

Okay, there you go.

Erik Nilsson: 2:48

Now this is even better. We got a glass of wine in our hands, wigs on our hands.

Scott Paul: 2:52

Oh wow, I'm liking this. I do not have this color yet either. Oh, taylor brings out your eyes. Oh, thank you. Yeah, look at that. No, it's not good enough. I want the girls with the combs to come. Stylist.

Erik Nilsson: 3:14

Bring a wig, when you Bring a.

Scott Paul: 3:17

You already got. You got your. You already got your dashing hair. You don't even need wigs. But it's like that laser, it's like one of those laser rooms.

Erik Nilsson: 3:26

Oh, something more about tech. Okay, the wigs are on. Damn, I want to go see here.

Scott Paul: 3:34

I need some more. What wig style do I want to do Side face one Decisions I don't want to go part. What do I want my part to be? Gert Leto part.

Erik Nilsson: 3:52

So many decisions when your hair gets longer.

Scott Paul: 3:55

Right. Never had to deal with that for so long.

Erik Nilsson: 3:58

It is an interesting one when it comes back to your life, but while you're doing that so I love that. It's so funny, because one thing I've been opening up with a lot is just it's like I feel like the podcast name is Small Lake City and in turn, I have all these Small Lake City moments and so, for example, it's so weird to have the beach up on wig hair out of your face. It's weird to have it be so thick in the front, so beautiful, so majestic so us. That's crazy.

Erik Nilsson: 4:28

I'm doing it, I'm doing it my first purple.

Erik Nilsson: 4:33

I think it's the first step in the right direction, towards your anime roots. You're like I'm actually going to go one straight down. I'm just kind of doing that. It's a little angsty. Put it a little away. Alright, baby, where are we talking about? There we go. But it's so funny because I reached out to you, because I remember when I was first putting my list together, I was like Scott Paul would be a fucking character to have and succeed greatly. And then so I reached out to you yeah, yeah, it could be fine, whatever. And it was like kind of like Thanksgiving time and just like back and forth, back and forth. And then until, like, you responded again. You're like what are we talking about? Again? I'm like I'll go like energy elsewhere for a minute.

Erik Nilsson: 5:08

Fast forward to when I was recording with Julian. I go downstairs to wait for him and it's funny because he texts me the day of. He's like, hey, I can't do an hour and a half, I can only do an hour. It's like okay. And then he's like I'm running late, okay. So he gets out and I'm just kind of like tapping my foot. I want to get everything, don't want to feel like it's like a waste of both of our times anyway. And then I'm sitting there tapping my foot and I look over and I see you and I'm like, of course, scott's here at the time where I ideally would love to be like oh Scott, hey, good to see you in person.

Erik Nilsson: 5:36

And I see Julian, and I hold you up more Well it was funny because so then you go upstairs with your friends to like the jazz room and they're sitting there, and then Julian, and then we walk by and you're like Julian, what's up, man, how's it going? I'm like, of course they know each other, you know. And then let me hold, like you're sitting there and like you. I mean, you're really nice. You're just like oh, it's so good to see you, like, just like nice to meet you. I'm like I didn't want to be like we've been messaging.

Scott Paul: 5:58

And then you're super kind to mesh me right after and then said let's do this and it's perfect.

Erik Nilsson: 6:04

Yeah, so I saw him there and then he mentioned that you'd been involved with, I mean, cerc and like Discrete before and he told me about this he might have been his first investor in Discrete or second.

Scott Paul: 6:12

I was very early and he was my first investment.

Erik Nilsson: 6:15

Interesting.

Scott Paul: 6:16

And then I was the first financial investment 2000. It was the day, my daughter's day, after my daughter was born. So I know the day exactly was March 24th 2015.

Erik Nilsson: 6:29

Both your debt. As long as you remember that day, not as much as your daughter's. Yeah, honey, when were you born again? So there's the day.

Scott Paul: 6:37

I signed with Julian the day before that was the reason it's so memorable is my first check ever as an investor. And then it was. He came to the hospital so I went down from the room to deliver this check for $100,000 after delivering a baby. It was just like, oh my gosh, little did I know In fact, I need to weigh in on that whole event. It's my wife's like what is he doing? We're writing check. We just sold our company. Now we're writing all our money away to ski companies and I just had a baby and I realized I sometimes reflect on the life she's lived. I'm like, yeah, she must have, she must have been like one, and all along I was like how's this ever going to work?

Erik Nilsson: 7:14

out. You know, you live some, you'll learn some, but I feel like she's probably good at least about like reminding you Like hey, remember that one time you invested in that one company. She's good, she's good.

Scott Paul: 7:23

Well, she's finally realized that, like investing in her family was teachers at school teachers. So they risk adverse, right, very risk adverse. It was all about the pension and stuff and so, like my lifestyle for her and her family was just like it was, just I can hear the stories of it didn't work out of like what they would have said about me. Luckily I got lucky and one of them worked out, and so all the stories of why you become a school teacher don't? I think it was one of those where it just it just didn't make sense and they still make. They're still trying to figure out if I'm in like drug dealing or something.

Erik Nilsson: 7:59

They don't think so. Are you money laundering? What is going on with the AI?

Scott Paul: 8:02

They're like what is he, he's, he's, he's building? What with the AI is really fun to explain to boomers.

Scott Paul: 8:09

Yes, eyes glaze over and just lost instantly, and it's like yeah well, we don't know if we can do what we want to do as a company, so we're going to become a religion. And then there, as I literally just came from a meeting where I had explained why we might have to become a religion to do what we're trying to do with AI, and it was like even this guy is just like, he's a professional coach for people and he's like but he's a boomer and it's like, so it's a little bit hard for them to. They're trying to. They're trying to understand what that all means and stuff.

Scott Paul: 8:36

And I'm like well, it's just. This is the world that we're in right now. I don't know.

Erik Nilsson: 8:40

Yeah. We're all we gotta do something before it takes over. Yeah, we're, we're all here. Not everybody knows what's going on, but we're here and we're moving forward, yeah, but yeah. So totally wanted to start kind of at the beginning, honestly, because when I was telling someone they're like oh, who are you interviewing today? It's like, oh, his name is Scott Paul. You heard of him. They're like no, not really. I was like they're like what does he do? And I was like that's exactly. Yes.

Scott Paul: 9:02

A, a monk's. That's what I try explaining to my parents in law.

Erik Nilsson: 9:05

Yeah, swimming in ponds, one wheels, wigs Not many people know how I make money in there.

Scott Paul: 9:11

That's because I often don't make money. Jokes on them, jokes on them, like. So what does he do for a living? I don't know. He doesn't do anything.

Erik Nilsson: 9:20

He doesn't have a living, he just lives.

Scott Paul: 9:22

Exactly.

Erik Nilsson: 9:24

But yeah, I mean totally just want to hear, like I mean your story from I mean kind of beginning to end, kind of here, about how you got to Utah, what you'd currently do in Utah and then what you see in the future, because I know you were California.

Scott Paul: 9:36

I love the podcast idea because it's just kind of it's Utah flavor. Oh yeah, and that's good because that's one of my jobs. That doesn't make money right now for me is a Utah focus venture fund, so I have the same love for this place and backing the Utah thing. So you're capturing Utah stories.

Erik Nilsson: 9:53

just got OG original stories yeah, so many cool stories right now. Like Blake Motarzitzky, his episode launches on Friday. It talks about his I mean part of my children's investment and some of like all the stuff he's been part of and working on. I'm trying to think of other, I mean, obviously Julian. Yeah, there's a lot of really cool stuff, okay.

Scott Paul: 10:13

I'm just I'm always more interested in the. You know I get on these podcasts and people always ask me the questions. But I'm like, how do you commit to doing the podcast? It's so to me it's a lot of work to get up there and to and I and I've resulted to just doing email newsletters because that's like the max, like attention. I can give something as one paragraph a day. I try to send something out at 420 every single day. It's fun.

Scott Paul: 10:37

I didn't notice it at 420 until cause I was eating dinner because I subscribed to your sub stack and I was like seeing that I didn't dinner, I was like, and then every day at 420, I send it out with the scheduler. So that hits just. The natural thing is and and and it's been really hard. Like I already, I've only done it for two weeks. I'm already like how am I going to keep going? Yeah, and so podcasts. So I'm just saying congrats on the, on the taking the action to make art. Thank you, because that's what it is. Podcasts are art. Writing is art, trying is art. Most things are art if you really think about it.

Erik Nilsson: 11:16

Yeah, once you understand something enough, you can see the artistry in it. Yeah, I was talking to. His name is Howard Lyon and he is. He's done a lot of the artwork for Brandon Sanderson books, done a lot of magic. The gathering are Dungeons and Dad dragons, like hardcore artists but like the most hardcore nerd at the same time. We just nerd out about nerddom. But he was talking about. He's talking about how a creativity like, how some people are like oh, I can't draw a campaign, I'm not an artist, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no. We all have like our own artistry. It just doesn't have to necessarily be like a traditional art.

Scott Paul: 11:46

That's exactly what I've been trying to teach my kids and stuff. I think the way my daughter plays video games is artistic. It's like I've watched her and it's like she's learned so much from it and it's like there's careers in that and there's also you can make art on Twitch. So I just try to figure out, because people generally can be passionate about art and sometimes it's hard to be passionate about work. So I try to figure out how to make work art so that you can find, so you can create a from a crafts person in that line of work by being an artist, and so everything's art and when you really look at it, venture capital's art. For sure there's an artistry to it, and Blake's one of the founders here in Utah. He's a long-term master artist of venture capital.

Erik Nilsson: 12:38

Yeah, he's like the trying to think of a good example. I mean almost like the Gandalf, that's just like I've been here through it all. I was there with Bilbo. I've seen Frodo.

Scott Paul: 12:47

He's been through it all. We call him the modfather the modfather. That's perfect and it fits him so well.

Erik Nilsson: 12:57

Cause like I feel like, like, obviously like, very like like stoic and bald, yeah, individual, but I feel like if he just like turns an eyebrow on you, he can instantly become the villain you're like oh, never mind, I get it, I get it.

Scott Paul: 13:06

I haven't seen him in villain mode, but I want to someday. I'm sending this picture. I made him wear a wig and a lab coat one time when we pitched him our company.

Erik Nilsson: 13:15

Zero percent surprised yeah it was fun.

Scott Paul: 13:17

I'll have to get that photo for you after what else happened. And then you got Julian on here. He's a great guy, so I just I love that. I love the people you put on here.

Erik Nilsson: 13:25

Yeah, we've got a lot of really good people, so we thought we'd want you to join the crew, yeah.

Scott Paul: 13:29

Yeah, Well, it got me to Utah. I came here. My dad's a ski bum. I was born in Separk City, Utah, Okay, and but I don't remember it because we moved pretty soon. My dad went to school at Notre Dame, not Notre Dame per due so that took us out of the state. And then my memory started getting built when I was maybe three or four and we moved to California and so I'm almost my childhoods in California that I remember. But my dad wanted to be a ski bum again. Eventually I became teenagers and that brought us to Utah so that we could go to. We could go to snowbird, which was kind of the resident, the ski, the hill of choice in 94 when we moved out here Prime time. So that was, that was what got me out here again and then never really left outside of doing a Mormon mission in Italy. And then a quick stint in LA when Disney bought a marketing agency that I was a part of and so I went out there to Culver City for a year.

Erik Nilsson: 14:28

Because I, like you, like it's so funny to see like some entrepreneurs, because some entrepreneurs are like, oh cool, like I've learned enough, I finally am going to like, get on in the driver's seat and do my own thing, but you've been an entrepreneur since. Like I think you could even, like pronounce the word.

Scott Paul: 14:41

I was in high school you know here in here. I went to high school here in Utah and Lone Peak and I was. I started a business selling emergency supplies and food storage. Arriving in Utah Right, right, right before Y2K. It was a great time. Everyone was afraid of Y2K. I'm like I'm going to capitalize on this.

Erik Nilsson: 15:00

You're like suckers. Come on Selling lemonade. No, I'm selling, yeah.

Scott Paul: 15:05

I took my last year off, senior year off, so that I could run my business and go to UVSC at the time Now UVU, and I was no-transcript. I was making, I didn't realize, like the normal wage of an adult at that time but I was making an adults wage like some, you know, a 40 year old, like what I guess that good salary be. I was clocking four or five thousand a month and 90 is 98, 99 and and I you know to do with money. I'm at my house and covered I had it was it was. It was actually not a great thing because I made too much money and I started putting all back in the business and and I made some really bad calls on like certain trade shows and certain products to carry Because I should have just started buying stuff for myself Because I didn't know what to do money back then really that's it.

Scott Paul: 15:53

But yeah, I was, I was Entrepreneurying really young and but I did do the hard knocks. I got it back from my Mormon mission in Italy and I'm like, I'm like I got it. I got to go play it safe and make some real money and so I went and shot. I went watch other people do business. For almost Almost 10 years I think I was or may also call eight years I was working at other businesses startups mostly and Just watching like really I was really attentive to business models and and how, how people were managing leading these companies and I just took notes and said when I run a company someday, it wasn't like I really want to run a company, it was like I'm gonna do it again.

Erik Nilsson: 16:34

Yeah, it's like you're already identified as that person.

Scott Paul: 16:37

Yeah, when this happens not like yeah, well, maybe, hopefully kind of, maybe it was always, it was always just always just saving up the money I was making from my day job so that I could be my own angel investor, so I could take time off and invest in myself. And that one came around.

Erik Nilsson: 16:53

2010 is when iPad came out and I started side hustling a Conclosure because I love this story, because at first year, because I believe traffic from right, so you go into hotels. Yeah, and you're like yeah you're like hey, we got these iPads.

Scott Paul: 17:07

Gonna be this experience, you know that's gonna be awesome and it's gonna do all these things to replace your brochure rack over there. That's, you know, waste paper.

Erik Nilsson: 17:15

Yeah.

Scott Paul: 17:15

I'm gonna make an interactive guide to the city and everything. And I started building that software and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a grind and and and. And I had a someone side. You know, make me a little metal cage with his machine so that I could show how the iPad could be, you know, secured in the lobby and everyone wanted that.

Erik Nilsson: 17:36

Cool software, ipad, whatever, but like where they can get this case.

Scott Paul: 17:39

Yeah, they wanted a case to do other like show off their rooms and show off there. You know, whatever the hotel wanted they're like it would be nice to use this iPad in our, in our lobby for our own needs. Yeah, I'm like Also, yeah, a metal cage and that and that was the first product this full it's called full metal jacket and it was a. It was a badass thing. It's a perfect and walking cage and sold millions of dollars that stupid cage.

Erik Nilsson: 18:02

It's always like this. It's always the stupidest thing it was the first product.

Scott Paul: 18:06

It was just it hit, hit right. It became the standard for at least four or five years of what you would put your iPad into make it secure. So this is just lucky.

Erik Nilsson: 18:18

Yeah, so that happens. Tonight. You sell it to some Was an armor something, I can't remember the name, but he sold that one yeah it became armor active and that's what I'm active A company called, yeah, MTI.

Scott Paul: 18:30

But yeah, are they still? Are they still selling them? You know it's been 10 years next year that I since I sold it and I do believe that almost the entire Company has gone at this point now you got me wondering like wait a minute, can I buy one? Yeah, should I go? I'm gonna Google and see if there's any way to do that, but but what happened is China was coming in pretty fast and they pretty much took all that over.

Erik Nilsson: 18:59

You see the writing on the wall yeah, like Amazon duplicates, china fakes and so it looks like.

Scott Paul: 19:06

It looks like there's some access to this. Yeah, yeah, there we go.

Erik Nilsson: 19:12

And Scott.

Scott Paul: 19:12

Paul Relic. Wow, I mean, I Don't even know who I yeah, it's just like I would just always be on Amazon. I don't know who buys stuff anymore, but Amazon I Like see stuff on ads in like Instagram and I'm like, why would I buy on Instagram? I'm gonna go see on Amazon, get it in a day, see if it has good reviews. So I don't know if I think I think the trick is whoever's doing well with iPad cases probably figure out the Amazon game True, which at the time, in 2014, wasn't quite there for B2B purchases.

Erik Nilsson: 19:47

I think that was the year I got my first like prime membership.

Scott Paul: 19:49

Oh really, yeah, yeah, exactly started to start back then, yeah, so I just don't think we would have survived with, unless we really pivoted to Amazon.

Scott Paul: 19:58

Yeah, so after cases is this when you start to transition more like software and that's yeah because the iPad I was around the iPad so much and I originally wanted to do that software products so I was like man, let's make apps for this thing. And it was a company it was actually that sunglass hut you see, their, their main brand was Luxotica that owns them and they wanted to make a kiosk that you could try on different Eyeglasses and then kind of take photos of your kind of compare and contrast and see them, yeah, and so they were kind of asking us how we could help them do that with the software and if we knew any software companies that did that. I'm like, and my mind just got fixated on this idea of taking several different photos and putting it out to vote and and this I'm gonna like, let this be a lesson to people I thought it was the best damn idea in the world. I'm gonna make this app that allows people to take several photos and then get votes on them. And Nothing could tell me I was wrong.

Scott Paul: 20:59

I was just. I was just blinded by like we need to have a social network based on which. That was like. My whole pitch was like we know, you know, twitter does this, instagram does this, and this is in 2011-12, so it's very early and like there should be a like, so it was called Voto VOTO it was voting on photos and it was really well designed. It was an awesome app, honestly, and and then I had a friend of mine. She helped me market it and she was a partner of mine and she did so well that we had tons of influencers that we got really early on Instagram. We found influencers to shout out the app and pay them on payback.

Erik Nilsson: 21:37

And this is like way before, like this is influencers are not a thing yet.

Scott Paul: 21:41

Instagram's 2012 Instagram's just kind of making it surround it. So so we build up this list of tons of influencers that would help us with our app and I, honestly, I Stayed way too long thinking I can make push, brute force this app to become something popular. I didn't even ask the question of how am I gonna get money from it. I just like I just need as many users and then someone will give me money.

Erik Nilsson: 22:06

I want to vote on people's photos and I want people to vote on my photos.

Scott Paul: 22:09

I just got stuck in that in this loop, and, and so I had, you know, quarter million dollars later of my hard earned cash, and I hadn't sold my first company this time. So I am, that's all my money. Yeah, that's all the money I've made in my company. I gave back to making this tech and and it didn't ever make more than maybe six thousand dollars of in-app purchases, and so it's just like, all right, we got to stop. Told the tech team to like, shut it down.

Scott Paul: 22:36

Let's not shut it down but put on cruise control. I can't do it anymore. But what we learned was that you could pay influencers to post almost anything, and then we started doing that for other apps my partner, nikhil. She started taking on some clients and then we got a really big one that ended up being a dating app. That ended up turning a bumble eventually and so we helped this big dating app out of the UK and and that that funded basically a new company that we abandoned. Voto started insta-fluence and within Two years of even starting that, we were in a talks with Disney to sell it and so they bought it eventually to have. So right after I sold armor acts of in 1415, disney bought Voto or sorry, bought insta-fluence, and they added that into their like Team of people are doing YouTube and everything, so we became part of like Disney's social team For was that like I mean you go from my favorite like starting all, like you've done all these things.

Erik Nilsson: 23:31

You've been really entrepreneurial, I mean and then this, and then all of a sudden it's like all right, we're gonna throw you into one of the biggest companies in the US.

Scott Paul: 23:39

I had a move and I became like yeah, vp a product and over at Disney, and I've never worked for a company bigger than my Own of 30 people so.

Scott Paul: 23:46

I'm like all right, I learned like how to do this stuff. And do I sit in a chair? Do I just clock? I didn't really know even what companies do, but it was. It was a good year. The whole family came out, we lived right in Culver City and I just got to see how that type of world works and and it's a machine I mean Disney's a machine they didn't even end up doing anything with our company after two years or so was Disney was quite the ride, and I had young girls at the time, ten and ten and eight and one and so I got to take them to Disneyland on the on the weekly and I think like I became a legendary dad.

Erik Nilsson: 24:26

Oh, you guys had a bad day at school. Should go to Disneyland again, yeah.

Scott Paul: 24:30

Every day if we wanted to, and like my dad worked for Disney, I was like it's just like and ironically, they don't care about that much.

Erik Nilsson: 24:37

My girls would never like princessy girls, but I feel like they're more of like a crunchy roll vibe now.

Scott Paul: 24:41

Oh, they are a hundred percent. You know that. Yeah, I'm almost done with Vinland saga with my 15 year old. It's just really cool anime about, about the Danes and the Norse, like Like battles over in England around ten, ten thousand, ten thousand, whatever that is, or one thousand, 80 or whatever. It's such a good, such a good anime off a country roll that we watch Might be on Netflix. Honestly, it's so good.

Erik Nilsson: 25:10

I just so, as you know, like attack on Titan just ended and so I just started it back over again. How you doing that?

Scott Paul: 25:15

Cuz like.

Erik Nilsson: 25:15

I got to like cuz, like After like cuz, you know, like the last four episodes, like we're so spread apart.

Scott Paul: 25:21

Well, every time.

Erik Nilsson: 25:22

I can't even remember what's going on.

Scott Paul: 25:23

It's hard. Yeah, my daughter's not. Same daughter is so into that one and knows it really well, and so I have to have that hurt there to get referenced like who's this? Again. Yeah, she's really good. She knows the story so well, her mind thinks in like anime format. So she's, she's read the manga, she's got it all down. So we, when we were in, we went to Japan for two months this year and we Stated in Sikushu.

Scott Paul: 25:47

The southern island has a little city in the middle called Hita, which is where Our boy that wrote Asagi no, it's not asking, I forget his name now the author of the, the, the one that wrote attack on Titan, he's from this little town and it's so cool to go there. We road trip there from where we were staying to go see like what inspired him and the whole town's got a tack of Titan statues and everyone, and they have this amazing Thing, this big wall, and that wall is where is?

Erik Nilsson: 26:20

it made of colossal Titans.

Scott Paul: 26:21

It's, it looks that's where you got the inspiration to big damn and and they put a statue out below of, you know, of Aaron and our win, and because I, because I come in, and they put the statue there and that was it was so cool. It looks so. It looks like them. They're looking up at this damn, which is the wall.

Erik Nilsson: 27:15

This is like the most Scott Paul moment ever, recording wine in hand. Wig on head VJ to the side.

Scott Paul: 27:23

This is actually really normal for me too.

Erik Nilsson: 27:27

Man, that is a memory, oh yeah.

Scott Paul: 27:33

My.

Erik Nilsson: 27:35

Money, oh man. So you're in LA, you're working at Disney, and then I mean how long are you there for? Because I know you Eventually make your way back to Salt Lake or me. I guess I mean Utah in general.

Scott Paul: 27:50

Yeah, that's my house here, so I could come back to it make sense.

Scott Paul: 27:55

I didn't sell it, came back to it in a year. My family couldn't really hack Culver City for the long term. You thought so good, so good. It's such a good vibe I for like young kids and and it's just so much activity you can do like out there in the wilderness. So we came back, we spent a hot minute in Sandy, utah, and then we found a little ranch up in neighbor and we moved up there and tried to be farmers. So we got goats and sheep and all this stuff and then I realized that that's Way not worth it. It's so much work. It's like I'm not slaughtering any of these animals, so they're basically just pets. Yeah, and I have way too many of them and they kept multiplying.

Erik Nilsson: 28:38

Yeah, that's only four of you.

Scott Paul: 28:39

Yeah, they're four sheep to start, and they were about 11 before I turn them into tacos. Now I don't know that if they're tacos, but I'm pretty sure the guy that can't pick them up was gonna make tacos with them. Just how don't think he needs 11, you know ornamental sheep. He's gonna do something with those guys.

Erik Nilsson: 28:57

He's like come down to my restaurant. Yeah, he was an Ogden.

Scott Paul: 29:01

He was an Ogden, I'm sure he had a Taco Beatia. You know Franchise somewhere up there that he's making some really nice Sheep tacos or whatever where they have lamb tacos. So that's where they're at now. God rest their souls. Yeah, but you know that's where they all sheep go, anyway, eventually, unless they're wool sheep. Seriously, let me just get shaved. Yeah, so I shaved in a few times. That was fun it was. It was an adventure. They kind of got me through COVID, though that was a fun to have the sheep during COVID.

Erik Nilsson: 29:28

Just go sit in the herds. Hey guys, I would I go meditate in the herd Facebook live.

Scott Paul: 29:31

Sometimes I just have the sheep won't come up to me, but the one of the goats, jake, he's, he's, he's still around. He's really nice.

Erik Nilsson: 29:39

He's like I'm gonna worry about this guy, I'm just gonna make sure everything's going out.

Erik Nilsson: 29:44

Just a little nibble here and there. Oh no, that's fun, yeah, cuz I lived up in up in Oakley for a little bit and that was I mean at the place I was living had like 35 horses, like for goats, like in just very bit. And like I'm I mean born, raised Salt Lake City, utah, like never had and then allergic to horses. It's not like I was like this horse person growing up. So all of a sudden I'm like all right, there's a, it's a lot of going on here, I'm gonna take my allergy medicine, we're gonna go do some work. That's it's fun for a little bit. But yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 30:11

I'm with you. It's so much work.

Scott Paul: 30:13

Maybe later, maybe if I have ridiculous amounts of money, I'll I'll have a ranch and help. Yeah, all my neighbors have basically retired horse. They have horses and they have some have ranch hands to kind of help. Yeah, and I'm just like you know, I'll go to these HOA meetings and I'm 25 years younger than everyone and just like Hearing about all the problems they're dealing with, I'm like guys, I can't, I don't have time to think about these things right now. I'm I'm still like trying, not I, you.

Scott Paul: 30:40

They're like the true retired people. Yeah, I don't know if we'll ever retire. You know, like this age is like like retirement means like work, kind of fun for a lot of people, or like they're doing their passion, they're making money with whatever their passion is. So I don't know if we'll retire in the same way the generations before us did. But these guys are like truly retired, like Layed back. They don't, aren't doing anything. I'm like that's kind of nice, but you got to expect you get. You'll got to understand like I've got three kids, animals, that I don't know what we're doing with. I've got I Don't know how many startups that are on my mind that it's just like our problems are very different.

Scott Paul: 31:13

The problems are very different. I am not like a neighbor that can understand and be here with you when you're, when you're having a hard time with your you know the color of your fence being a violation of of the HWA policies like that's just not. That's just not computing right now for me.

Erik Nilsson: 31:29

But I mean it's such a pretty area that like I mean it's been fun to see how much it's grown and I feel like everybody know that's up there, I know Mayflower's going, I mean that'll be live so soon and everything else let's see.

Scott Paul: 31:41

So if you're up there then you want to chip when you're ready? Oh, I will take a chip in a second.

Erik Nilsson: 31:46

I do like this of each day oh yeah, I've been pretty much had everything. It's so good though. All their foods good. They have a new restaurant downstairs too. Honestly. So at what point does like wooly come into the picture? I?

Scott Paul: 32:01

Build that when I was in at Disney.

Erik Nilsson: 32:03

Oh, okay, so you're working on where you're. Oh so, was that like the product itself that you're kind of like working on? You're like well, yeah, you come back to you. Tom, just gonna make this mine.

Scott Paul: 32:10

Well, I was. Just. I didn't have a real non-compete and I'm an entrepreneur, so Disney didn't really need me once about the company. They didn't. They don't really have like a program for like For the entrepreneurs out there, and so both me and my partner were pretty much gone after our earn out. Yeah, so we. So I was out there. I just started tinkering and found a CTO to start building wooly Will he was. I thought will he would be the answer to what I thought was kind of, and I thought the influencer thing was going to transition more into Authentic ambassadors and less about just influencers with big following. I got that completely wrong.

Scott Paul: 32:51

Influencers are influencers, they'll always be. They're gonna have a big, massive following and then they're always gonna be offered opportunities to shout out some company or equity in some company. Yeah, and so my, my guess was I was right at that ambassadorship type of, you know, like smaller accounts that want to just kind of really get behind a brand, that that works too, and so that's what wooly kind of does, is it helps you manage your, your the fans, you know, the most like loyal customer.

Erik Nilsson: 33:22

Yeah, help them get back because it's in so like. Another small like moment with this is actually think, let's see it's December 2023 right now, so this must have been a year and a half, maybe almost two years ago. I had, um, oh my gosh, why can't I think of his name? He's one of the investors in wooly.

Scott Paul: 33:39

That's why I know him.

Erik Nilsson: 33:40

Oh, that's, so fun. Randall, lloyd and Lloyd so.

Erik Nilsson: 33:44

So he's it's in my same fraternity and then he saw me post something. He's like, hey, I like I mean I'm I'm a technology investor, revenue because I would work in revenue operations. He's like a very big thing, we have a couple companies, maybe there's a good fit, maybe there's not. Let's go get food and chat. So we went to the vessel on 9th to 9th. She's like, hey, it could be good. I'm like, okay, he's like well, have a call with Kyle and we'll see, kind of like where it goes from there. And like at this time is when I started like my van life journey and so I was like as much as I like want to like focus on like corporate America and having a job, I really just want to go travel and keep chaos to a minimum, if I can and and you get in the same with a van life.

Scott Paul: 34:23

Is is Financially. Most people could do that indefinitely, but I think it's the why aren't you doing it right now?

Erik Nilsson: 34:30

Um, I mean, most of it's like you definitely get lonely, get lonely, and especially like this summer. So I came back, came back last October and then, like this summer was my first summer back and like a lot of my older friends, we kind of reconnected over golf a ton. So I, we're seeing each other. I go to go from seeing, like some of my friends from high school, like once every year, every two years, just seeing like three or four times a week and so like that kept me here a lot, realizing like I mean, you can always go spend time in like the fun places and travel all the time I was out the van.

Erik Nilsson: 34:57

Yeah, but at the same time, like you have to like set up life and shop somewhere and like there's other things I have to do and you can't just kind of run away from it all, but I still I mean I'd love to go do like one or two months.

Scott Paul: 35:06

I still have a van aspiration, probably not in the US. If I do van life, I feel like it would take me to Europe, or Europe or maybe like New Zealand or something. Yeah, totally.

Erik Nilsson: 35:21

Yeah, the the Euro trip doing. I've seen some friends do that and that's been really cool. New Zealand's really good for it, but I mean a lot of other countries about like adopted it a ton more, so it's been fun to see how that trends. Um, yeah, I mean I know that also. So, like, is that for, like the wooly? I mean now roster, because then obviously you've become super like involved in, I mean crypto and now AI.

Scott Paul: 35:47

I mean crypto was a Good. So I got in the crypto in LA make sense 15 when it was kind of low, and my friend got me into it and then it wasn't till 1718 actually. Even just this last kind of run up where I Started doing companies in crypto. Yeah, so for a while was just a passion, you know, hodel.

Scott Paul: 36:07

Just like direct investment in your best man then and then this last run I got really involved in building Community around it and then I'm defy. Got became a rage and I got into. I helped start giddy. And then crypto, yeah, which is kind of the local event for crypto. That was we're hoping to do every year annually, but cool.

Erik Nilsson: 36:31

Funny, when I interviewed the mod father, he was wearing his giddy shirt.

Scott Paul: 36:35

Mm-hmm yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 36:37

Oh, that's good to hear.

Scott Paul: 36:38

That's good to hear. Yeah, I get it, the giddy shirt. I gave one to a friend or one of our investors in five and he was wearing it. Every time he sends us photos he's always wearing it. He says it's like an aphrodisiac for his fiance.

Erik Nilsson: 36:56

That's how you sell merch.

Scott Paul: 36:57

Yeah, I'm like, okay, I gave him my shirt off my back and like I might have to get another one of those. Then, if it's that's doing that, I haven't worn it quite enough, but it was the white one with a Kind of a cowboy hat in the middle. There's, we had a lot, they did a lot of merch. They came out. I don't know if they're doing as much now. Now they're. Now they're on the product market fit. You know, it was like let's no more merch, let's figure out how to make sure this thing's gonna be around for a while.

Erik Nilsson: 37:21

Yeah, let's, let's run this company now. We brought the merch dialed and it's, it's, it's tough.

Scott Paul: 37:26

I mean the giddy's, the only company that I'm really aware of that has really survived crypto winter yeah, out of the batch of like Sponsors, of people that we had two and a half years ago. Yeah doing, doing stuff. It's just very hard right now to to a Kind of get fun, additional funding. It's just. It's just everyone's eyes, you know, went to the other game. Oh what's this AI thing over here that chat GPT did and it's all the eyes just shifted like it's.

Scott Paul: 37:55

It's undeniable the momentum that just left crypto went over to AI so fast, but it's it's. It's moments like that where people take the eye off the ball because it's crypto ain't going away, yeah, ain't going away. So I think the companies that survive and get through this next bull run, which is kind of happening right now yeah, the PTC is going up and everyone's saying it's going nuts and go and get crazier. So I, you know, my advice has never been anything really different than, like I made videos about crazy shit tokens and meme coins, but I never told anyone to buy any of these things. Yeah, all I ever really have said is I'll tell people, kind of, what I'm going after. But the one thing I've never relented on is Dollar cost average into Bitcoin and Ethereum every, every, every week or month. Just buy a little bit. You cannot do that, cannot hurt anybody, just doing a 20 bucks a week type of thing and just don't look at the price.

Scott Paul: 38:51

Even just to that something on automatic and that's the. That's the one thing. That's that's the one financial advice I just keep giving. Is a dollar cost average auto auto buy into Bitcoin and Ethereum. Yeah and if you can't do it there, I'm just do Bitcoin.

Erik Nilsson: 39:07

Yeah, that's the best thing about like Crypto's. Like, oh, you only have five dollars, that works. Ten dollars cool, the ten million dollars cool.

Scott Paul: 39:14

Yeah, it does. It does work like that. Luckily, coinbase is great, crypto comm. There's plenty of apps that just don't even you know they own enough the crypto. They won't even charge you for buying it. Usually, if you buy it on chain, it does cost a little bit because you're literally paying the the the fees to transfer and to you know you make the miners validate that transaction. It's crazy how crypto works, but it's relatively cheap on most networks right now and only getting cheaper.

Erik Nilsson: 39:42

Yeah, so don't see working. I know that. Yeah, you mentioned a couple new projects, ai type stuff.

Scott Paul: 39:48

Mostly just AI. Yeah, mostly just phi the AI. Health.

Erik Nilsson: 39:54

Yeah, tell us about this new religion.

Scott Paul: 39:56

Yeah, exactly. So the only reason this would have to become a religion is that there's things we want to do that aren't really legal.

Erik Nilsson: 40:05

Now you have my attention. Yeah, you're gonna do great in Utah.

Scott Paul: 40:08

Well, that's why we think we're here is good lawyers here to protect Interesting financial models, and and then and religions are the most protected thing in America.

Scott Paul: 40:19

Oh yeah, there's nothing you can't do as a religion and that's like how everyone's, you know, getting their can a bit like or not, camera there, like psilocybin. It's like religion peyote a lot of these drugs and the communities around certain drugs that are maybe schedule one, they find ways to make a religion so that, and I don't know and I would, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just like. It's like it's a part, its way, to protect the, the, the sacred use of some of these, these drugs, and so we want to freeze people. We want to freeze people, we want to be able to. You know, like let's just say you're 80 and your brain is just got diagnosed with some dimension. We don't have any way to reverse that.

Scott Paul: 41:02

We have a really awkward relationship with dying in this country, where, where we'll let someone live for 10 years in the worst day possible and not let them check out. And so we, some. So we're the belief that we need to Allow people to upon, you know, hitting maybe a certain age where they they're there, the mind is being, is deteriorating or something, or maybe a ton of pain, whatever it is, you have the right to, you know how, on solo your your body into some, into some Cairo. You know freezing of sorts, and so we're kind of trying to figure out how that's gonna work. But just it's. It's a little better than going in the ground becoming ash. You know, like we don't, there's no real science it says we can reanimate someone from freezing, but there's also a lot of technology that's coming out that might make it more possible to reanimate or to Brain trans. You know, transfer some of the knowledge or the DNA of that person's. Anything's better than turning people into ash.

Erik Nilsson: 42:08

We landed on the moon. We've done a lot of crazy stuff. Yeah, why not be able to freeze people and bring them back?

Scott Paul: 42:13

Yeah, well and funny. You say the moon, we, the place to actually put them would be at the dark side of the moon. It's just park them there. So that part dark side of moon should be just basically like Cassette, cd. You know like big old those CD storage, you should just be go there and just slide out, just people.

Erik Nilsson: 42:30

It's just all. It operates like one of those, like old disc machines at a bar where it's like you pick it and just kind of like goes, picks it up and just like frisbees it down to earth.

Scott Paul: 42:39

Actually a really good idea, um.

Erik Nilsson: 42:45

Time to meet your great, great, great grandson comes in as a flying saucer.

Scott Paul: 42:51

Darkside moon would be a great place to store people.

Erik Nilsson: 42:53

Yeah, I just want to see, like the aliens that are coming here for peace, like we're so excited to meet earth, and be like what did they do back here? Turn around.

Scott Paul: 43:02

Skeletons in the closet, um, so we want to freeze people, and so that's one. One of the reasons become a religion is, um, to do things that, uh, you have to get a belief behind, and I think some people would would freeze themselves.

Erik Nilsson: 43:18

Oh yeah.

Scott Paul: 43:19

Versus, even even if it's immediately after passing right or right before. It's like If, if I can make freezing economical and and or just even it's an option. Yeah, a lot of people freeze themselves, so so we got to start freezing ourselves, um, because that's a desire we have, and so we're going to make a religion or a company and a religion to do that. The other reason it might be nice to have a religion is, um, if we go public, the mission of phi, the mission phi has one mission. It's very simple. It's we ask the ai what, what, what, uh, what should we do to have a longer health span? And it pretty much told us to do the company we're doing and start freezing humans.

Erik Nilsson: 44:02

We'll figure it out eventually. Yeah, that will exactly have.

Scott Paul: 44:04

That's that one. So it's like it's on our.

Erik Nilsson: 44:06

It's on our roadmap about five, six years from now. We're already working on it, humans.

Scott Paul: 44:09

Exactly so. So phi keeps telling or ai keeps telling us and, to be honest, it's the chat gpt4. It's our favorite and it's been telling us For a while now and and my partner curse, been talking to it since early access to the model in 19 is when he first got Access, when he was at snapchat. Yeah, he got access to uh To uh develop on chat gpt or sorry, gpt3 or whatever, before they had a chat interface. He built a chat interface to just have discussions with it. So he's been doing this for a long time, trying to figure out how to use the ai to um Bring to pass the immortality of in the everlasting life of the human race. That's his that's. I mean like let's cut to the chase. Health span sounds cute. That's a nice thought. That's soft way to talk about it like a longer health span, but we're trying to figure out a live forever.

Scott Paul: 44:59

Yeah and there's good chance of ai knows how to do that.

Erik Nilsson: 45:02

When you phrase it like that, yeah, yeah, that definitely starts to sound like a religion.

Scott Paul: 45:06

Exactly so. There's another reason, that is, if we want to live forever, um it's. That's a different type of company you know, and so we got.

Scott Paul: 45:14

We probably don't want to go public and have the shareholders and people that might have a different economic Uh outcome desire, you know, financial like they. They need it to make money, but we might a religion, might not have a Need, a profit motive or something true. So we think it might have to be a religion so that we can stay true to the mission of increase the human health span. That's the only mission fai has. Yeah, increase the human health span. And so we just keep asking how?

Erik Nilsson: 45:41

do?

Scott Paul: 45:41

we do that and, and then we do it to the personal at the personal level. So in in january or february, when we launch, you're going to have an app that will be dedicated to increasing your health span, based off of connecting your watch, connecting everything you have, putting any input, you have all your data from the health records and you have dna tests or, and so it's just like feed ai everything about you and then ask it to make you live longer.

Erik Nilsson: 46:08

It reminds me of like that. Uh, remember that movie with jesson timberlake when they have like the numbers on their arms and like only so much time. I like that. I just imagine opening up the app. It's like you have 14 years, 12 months, what was that call? I wasn't oh.

Scott Paul: 46:20

I'm looking up it was. It was at a time. I don't know it was something time, but it was. It was a really good movie that didn't get enough Acolysis. I I remember not having expectations than watching and going. That was a very Thoughtful movie. I had that happen.

Erik Nilsson: 46:34

The other night.

Scott Paul: 46:35

I was laying in bed. The movie was really good.

Erik Nilsson: 46:37

Yeah, I was living there, so I watched. What did I watch? First I watched oh, shit, what was it? It was a class, it's a classic. Oh, it was a 21 jump street. And then, and then I go down to bed. I'm like I need to go to sleep. And then I turn on the tv. I was like, oh, grand terrysmo, I saw this a trailer in a movie theater, let's watch it. And I was sitting there. I was like I was Anticipating to be like, okay, I'll fall asleep in 15 minutes. And then next thing I know I'm going to bed at 130 because it was better than I thought it was going to be. I recommend it, actually, and I don't recommend things I don't believe in. So when, where was the first time you ever rode a one-wheel?

Scott Paul: 47:11

I think I got one. I was at, do you know, the shonduras space station yeah. They have a place up in leighton and I tried to. They had a bunch of one-wheels early time and I I remember like Just getting on it and seeing it, wasn't really moved by it.

Erik Nilsson: 47:26

The early ones are kind of. They're kind of dangerous.

Scott Paul: 47:28

The early ones. No, what am I saying? They're all dangerous, they've all got problems. One wheels are so nuts. People love these things, but most people I know have had a serious injury from them, from something happening that was not their fault, like the one who just shuts off Me, my other, my brother, my other friend, my other friends, just like.

Erik Nilsson: 47:50

And yet we still, we still love these things so things we love the most hurt us the most?

Scott Paul: 47:54

Yeah exactly wow. So, um, I've been I've been a Prosumer of one wheel for probably three years. Yeah, maybe that's why I got my first one about three years ago. Wow, and then I bought a lot more so that I could always have people to go with, and, yeah, it's like you know how like a lot of people have like bikes hanging in their garage.

Erik Nilsson: 48:14

And it's like the 10, like held perfectly, and you just go and pull it off. I should imagine going your garage.

Scott Paul: 48:18

There's like 15, one wheels like I would you want to go on a ride? Yeah, I wish they were like perfectly aligned, but they're just like. There's one in my office, maybe one inside of my. They're all over. Now I need, I need to get a system, but yeah, they're uh, they in the winter is tough, because they don't hold it, they don't, they don't start if it's too cold out. Some battery protection thing.

Erik Nilsson: 48:38

That's gonna say it is that four-wheel drive, but that doesn't really make sense.

Scott Paul: 48:41

Yeah, but they're fun. They're so fun so I got to keep something inside and heat it. So I don't do as much in the winter but a lot in the summer. And I've got one wheel gang. You know where We'll go around, we'll get a stick and we'll, you know, hit signs while we ride by them. We'll try to rascals in the neighborhood.

Scott Paul: 48:57

We want to be little rascals. Maybe you know, tap a mailbox. You're not hurt at all, of course, because we're, we wouldn't do that. But no, it's just like. It's just like five guys running around one wheels hitting things midday Wednesday in a nice neighborhood, like basically our neighborhoods we live in.

Erik Nilsson: 49:15

Like Scott, we know where you live but it's just want to.

Scott Paul: 49:18

just want to go around and be a little rascal, yeah, and and you know, and just hit stuff, and so that's, if you know, I kind of want to expand that gang a little bit, because it's pretty harmless, but I feel like I feel like there's a lot of people hitting midlife crisis that we could really use a a one-wheel experience in there.

Erik Nilsson: 49:37

I think that's a perfect way to describe it.

Scott Paul: 49:39

My pops calling me. I don't know what he wants to say. I'm just gonna not answer it. Basically, it's about skiing. Yeah, if he's calling it's something about Getting some pro form deal where we're going skiing, it's, it's what that's for it's just like this guy has one track mind. I need to call Scott for something.

Erik Nilsson: 49:57

Yeah, it's like I don't hear from him for the summer or anything, and then when it comes and skiing again, I feel like if there's one place that if you're like, oh shit, I need to find Scott Paul, it's like I'm just gonna go to um, oh my gosh owl bar.

Scott Paul: 50:11

Yeah, yeah, Sundance. What are you thinking? Something like that.

Erik Nilsson: 50:14

Yeah, I was thinking Sundance and I was going to say Sun Valley, and I think that was absolutely wrong. That's what I was thinking. So, yeah, Sundance.

Scott Paul: 50:20

Sundance is close. I like that spot. It's got a good old feeling to it. Just got that cowboy Sundance out law feeling and the Albar is great.

Erik Nilsson: 50:29

The Albar is great, tree room's great.

Scott Paul: 50:32

Wonderful place.

Erik Nilsson: 50:32

Because I grew up in Salt Lake so I never really went down there. But I've had a couple of work things. I was like wait a minute.

Scott Paul: 50:37

This is great. It's a great place to go. Good hour from you, though, and what do you feel like when you're wanting? What do Salt Lakers do to kind of feel like they're at the local's bar, but kind of in the mountains? Do you go anywhere?

Erik Nilsson: 50:51

Ooh, kind of in the mountains. Ooh, one of my favorite places for that is Immigration Brewery in Immigration Canyon. I've been. So do you know where Ruth Steiner is? Yeah, so Ruth Steiner right there, and there's always that kind of abandoned building on, kind of if you go out of Ruth's.

Scott Paul: 51:05

I can kind of picture it and I wish you had a man out and told me that I don't want to go.

Erik Nilsson: 51:09

It's really cool. I mean, maybe, I guess right now, why not? It's still pretty in the winter, but it's right over the creek. Really good beer menu, really good food menu, amazing pretzel, good pizzas that they can also make into a calzone, which for some reason I always appreciate. And yeah, especially in the summer, the vibes are perfect. You can feel the river running past you. Just good times. So, yeah, if I'm trying to get Mount Winnie, that's where we're going.

Scott Paul: 51:33

All right, otherwise we'll just send it to Park City. Park City is so close, it's England.

Erik Nilsson: 51:39

Especially if you're in Heber. I mean, hop on the freeway and you're pretty much there.

Scott Paul: 51:41

Yeah, it's like downtown. Park City is good 25 minutes for me, but it's so worth it because that's the feeling of Park City even though it's pretty overrun tourist, it's still just a magical place and the tourists kind of make it an event too, it's fun to have a city in your state where it's just a lot of tourism, so much Just because you can. You just feel that energy. You just go into Disneyland or something.

Erik Nilsson: 52:09

There's just an energy knowing that nobody here lives at Disneyland.

Scott Paul: 52:12

You guys all got to get your asses home to some hotel, but while we're here, we're all having a good time. That's kind of how Park City feels.

Erik Nilsson: 52:18

Totally and the same caliber of people watching. You can sit there at Disneyland or Park City and be like what is wrong? Interesting, Interesting.

Scott Paul: 52:26

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I did find something out, though, that I'll share with you. There's a pub crawl, santa Pub Crawl every year at Park City, and we happened, and my wife and I were staying up there, just tagged along with a group. What are you guys doing? Santa Pub Crawl? Yeah, here we come. Exactly, there's 2,000 Santa Dress. It was just so cool, so it happened. It was like probably three, four weeks ago. It was such a cool event and so it's happening every year. It's like a little Facebook group, so don't miss that.

Erik Nilsson: 52:55

Throw in your Santa costume, go crawl or whatever.

Scott Paul: 52:56

I think I'm going to go back. I'm going to make one of my friends Santa. I'm going to get about 12 girls to be reindeer, and then Santa Pimp.

Scott Paul: 53:05

And then the reindeer girls, and I don't know what I'll be. I'll probably be a Grinch or something that's you know. I don't know, but I want to get a whole theme going with the next. Maybe the guys can be reindeer too, so we're not just totally overdoing it. But I don't know if something tells me that the girls would look really cute with little reindeer antlers going on, little whiskers on their face, we can put together at least.

Erik Nilsson: 53:28

let's see, let it be 12. 15, 16 people, we can make that happen.

Scott Paul: 53:31

Yeah, I don't know how many reindeer there were. Again there's Donner, but do you recall how many there are?

Erik Nilsson: 53:37

I recall the most famous of them all. It was Rudolph, and someone was really kinky and named one Vixen. But besides that, no, I could not do that.

Scott Paul: 53:45

I put a gun to my head. I want the story of Vixen, yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 53:49

It's probably the same guy that did all those, like the old claymation videos for Christmas. He's like what are we naming these ones? He's like well, donner, and.

Scott Paul: 53:55

Blitzen Dude they should have. Why did Rudolph only get the solo show? They should literally have a content for each reindeer.

Erik Nilsson: 54:04

Oh yeah.

Scott Paul: 54:05

Vixen would be crazy too. You know that guy is hyperactive.

Erik Nilsson: 54:08

Just a 12-part Netflix mini series of a profile on each deer. Yeah, because you have a more appreciation.

Scott Paul: 54:13

For sure I should do that, that's easy. There we go, presented by chat, chat, gpt, do it.

Erik Nilsson: 54:19

Oh yeah, I always love making it write scripts or scenes of different characters in different places, different things, and then if I'm with a friend acting it out, and just how ridiculous and ludicrous it is, but how it's also right, I don't know how to do that. I'll be like be Rick Sanchez on Tatooine talking to the master chief about taxes.

Scott Paul: 54:40

Hey, natty, I'm on a podcast right now. Oh, I'll let you go. Hi, natty. Ok, you can text me I'll read. Ok, love you buddy. Yeah, that's interesting actually having it write out a script and then just impromptu acting the thing out.

Erik Nilsson: 55:02

Yeah, something maybe Like a play, just like it's like you can make it Clue style, where it's like pick the place, the person and the object.

Scott Paul: 55:08

It's really good at doing those things actually Giving it rules and having it make a. We try to do these at Convoy. We have this camp Convoy where all the founders, entrepreneurs, go to some random camp in Utah Maybe 50, 60, 70 people and we always try to do some unique games. And we were using AI to try to create just crazy new games that don't that no one's ever done before. Like you give it the rules of what you want and then you'd have it spit out several different games with parameters and it wants to do in large groups outside. It was really quite good. I mean, at this point I don't know who isn't using this stuff. Oh, At least a feedback module, Just kind of test your ideas out or see if you're missing something.

Erik Nilsson: 55:55

Yeah, I mean, anytime I have to have a list or an outline or any sort of aggregation of stuff, I'm like eh, and chat gbt give me this. Like, here you go. Like even, yeah, I mean I do all my captions with AI. I do AI audit edits on my audio. Ai like technically could write like blog posts if I wanted them to. But it's great, like it's.

Scott Paul: 56:14

Yeah, it'll do everything.

Erik Nilsson: 56:16

If you hear those posts all the time, it's like if you're not using it, you're going to be very behind, very quickly.

Scott Paul: 56:20

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, at this point there's almost like if you're not using it right now, then you're.

Erik Nilsson: 56:27

But what other projects are you working on? Anything else in the pipeline?

Scott Paul: 56:31

It's five all day long every day right now it's overkill. It's meaning it's like I haven't got so much Gnoss left in the engine. I'm just like let's go Five. So I'm putting most of the efforts there. As far as like projects that are, you know that take me out of my house. If I'm in my house I'm mostly just trying to project on the coal plunges, the sauna, and I'm just trying to figure out like a routine to. I got this tonal. I'm trying to like do it religiously. It's so hard for me. I'm such a social animal that I don't like working out.

Scott Paul: 57:07

I can't do at home gym, yeah, and so I have one, and it's like it just doesn't nag me enough to get up there it's, and so I keep committing every week, like this is the week I've got an hour downtime and somehow I'm on my phone and not at my gym.

Scott Paul: 57:24

At my little gym, I'm just like I can get this last email done and go get 20 minutes. I can go get 10 minutes in, and so once a week I'll get, or twice a week I'll get. I'll pull like 5,000 pounds through these little handles. It's like a plug down your wall.

Erik Nilsson: 57:39

Yeah, because I've seen what they are yeah.

Scott Paul: 57:40

So it's really minimal. It's really good. Today I actually really crushed. I feel proud of myself. It should be. I went 10,000 pounds. I did a lot of squats and pulling the rope thing with the balls at the end Like it's like a rope nut sack. Yeah, it helps a lot. I love that one and so I'm done. I feel good. I think I did my laps today. So I feel like there's a lot of science out right now to just keep just got to do like 20 minutes of movement a day, if you want to.

Scott Paul: 58:09

And you'll double your you'll like literally double your lifespan if you just do the movements and the second you stop moving. You're going to die.

Erik Nilsson: 58:17

Yeah, like that's. One thing I realized two years ago is like I was. I can't remember where I was, but I was looking around. I saw these old people and like a lot of them just like couldn't really move too well and like you know, I'm like hunchbacked and just not very mobile. I was like, if I don't end up like that, I need to start stretching.

Scott Paul: 58:33

Stretching is like number one.

Erik Nilsson: 58:35

So I stretch for seven minutes every day. Ok, I'm going to.

Scott Paul: 58:41

I love you. That's bold. So once I know someone does it and I can see myself in them, I'm like, yeah, we're like the same.

Erik Nilsson: 58:48

We got the same vibe.

Scott Paul: 58:49

I can do it, you can do it, I can do it. Seven minutes, seven minutes, that's like.

Erik Nilsson: 58:53

And that like takes me through, like a whole body stretch, like motion, like I'm fine, like I'm good.

Scott Paul: 58:58

And that's going to do so much for you, just getting your blood going, keeping you limber. All right, I have someone come and stretch me. That's how lazy I am.

Erik Nilsson: 59:09

That's what I started with. I went to like stretch lab and I was like, because it was like free trial, so I go in and she's like, well, where were you feeling? Like well, I get a lot of like muscle spasms in my neck and this. And she's like, OK, we'll just kind of like stretch everything. It was kind of weird at first.

Scott Paul: 59:23

I'm like, OK, I'm really this lazy that I have to go to this place and have someone stretch me, but having someone stretch you, if you have that available at your work or something it is so good for you and they can stretch ways you can't but it's like better than not stretching, yes. So if you're that lazy, it's like gateway stretching, get stretched, yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 59:42

Because that's how I started. And then, all of a sudden, I was like, ok, I can do this alone, and like I kind of like graduated. I was like Miyagi, I'm out of here, I must go to my own stretching now. And so that's what I did and I've always been pretty consistent with exercising. So if I know that I can like, exercise regularly, stretch regularly, don't eat terrible fingers crossed.

Scott Paul: 59:59

So you eat terrible, like once in a while because it's a party, but then, like, make up for it. You know, next four days, that's my plan. I don't know. I went to Vegas last on what is today the 20.

Erik Nilsson: 1:00:11

Monday yeah, on Monday.

Scott Paul: 1:00:12

I was like, yeah, wait, no, what the crap? When was I down there? It doesn't matter, I was there and I gained way too much weight. And so now I'm kind of like the week after something like that, I'm like I'm just going to drink wine.

Erik Nilsson: 1:00:28

I'm just going to drink wine and eat ceviche, that's it.

Scott Paul: 1:00:30

That's it. That's my diet today. No, but I definitely like try to repent by like lowering the killer intake for the week after.

Erik Nilsson: 1:00:39

Yeah.

Scott Paul: 1:00:40

Because I have to eat horrible sometimes. There's so many fun foods out there. That's the problem, Vegas.

Erik Nilsson: 1:00:45

they're just making all sorts of ways to captivate my palate every second, you go to Vegas and it's like, because I'm not the biggest drinker, I'm not the biggest gambler, I'm not a gambler or drinker really, but the food.

Scott Paul: 1:00:56

So that's the problem now.

Erik Nilsson: 1:00:57

The food is the thing I go do now, and every time where you go, it's like, oh, there's a new really good restaurant, there's a new really good restaurant. And you're just like shit, I need to go to everything and make it all happen.

Scott Paul: 1:01:05

I open all the time. But yeah, Vegas, we're coming to Food City, it's great. So, Um five, five is the main, the main project you know, it's really I can't think of anything else that really.

Erik Nilsson: 1:01:17

I guess is stretching and exercise doesn't work. I'll just freeze myself.

Scott Paul: 1:01:20

Yeah, yeah. So so you'll, you'll probably have to free. I don't know if we're going to get how do you 33? I don't know if we're going to get our mission done in time for you.

Erik Nilsson: 1:01:28

You know my, my we might millennials just perpetually get fucked. We realize we don't get houses we get once in a lifetime crisis. He's like every other five years. Uh, we don't get cool social media and like influence is um, we get all this debt. We don't get to have our lives safe through freezing, but sure, whatever, we'll be the guinea pigs.

Scott Paul: 1:01:49

No, no, no, you're going to get saved through freezing. What I want to do is beat, beat, beat um. Your your time clock. Yeah, just like that movie we watched. There's time in is what it's called. By the way, we could get to um, we could get to an infinity symbol on that we could. We could reach a mortality where, where you, you know, apart from like getting blown up in the head and stuff like that, you, we could get to a place where your life span, instead of instead of you getting closer to it, it's getting far away from you or your life expectancy.

Erik Nilsson: 1:02:25

Well then it's also like you throw in, like the interstellar, like I don't know if you ever read, like Ender's game of, like time travel and relativity, and like staying young. Yeah, like that's another mind trip for me. But if we could, freeze and do that, then even if you're only living like 80 years, if you put it into a couple hundred year breaks every now and then you could theoretically live almost forever.

Scott Paul: 1:02:43

Oh man, it's going to get weird. With this vision pro and stuff too, people are going to be quite literally in VR for a lot, or at least AR for a while per day, I think. I think. I think I think in the next seven, eight years we're going to see wearing eyepieces as as common as air buds right In your ears.

Erik Nilsson: 1:03:03

Yes.

Scott Paul: 1:03:04

And then when that happens, you are, you are. We are starting to become very bionic in that, in that I think we're going to be melding with the machines in ways you can't imagine, because we're going to have, we're going to have AI powering. You know a lot of the heads up display and the and the and the voice you know, and stuff that we.

Scott Paul: 1:03:23

So we're going to be able to get information really quickly. We're going to be able to learn things really fast what we need to do, shop while we're, you know, driving, whatever it is, and, and I just don't know yet, like, what, what, what, what we're supposed to do, what the world, what's going to be important when we're all, when, the, when the air pods are basically our eyeballs and everybody's got that. I don't know. I, I, I try to project myself in the future, to figure out how to either, you know, exploit that for gain, for money, or to, like safety, like I want to create a future that's going to be safer than it is now. So, like how my kids benefit from the technology. I can't get there right now. I, I can't. I probably have to be a little higher or something, but I could, I want to know. I, I want to be in the future.

Scott Paul: 1:04:10

Go, you know, if we could just go 10 years in the future, go around to parties, look at the clubs, look at the classrooms, look at the common households. We would, we would. I think it would be so informative. In fact, now that I just did that thought experiment, I'm going to try to do that one later and really try to understand what what's going to be around and then and then and then reverse engineer that. So go there and then work backwards what should I be investing in? Where should I be living? What things should I be caring about? Who should I be talking to right now? I'm sure that's what some people can do like professionally all the time. They can almost time travel like that, and that's probably like the Steve Jobs of the world or these savants that can just they. They live 10 years in the future. I feel like I live three years in the future, but as of late, I feel like future is getting so fast that I'm only about a year ahead.

Erik Nilsson: 1:05:02

It's so hard to think of like, and then it's like you stop paying attention for a second and you go back like wait, this all changed in like a year.

Scott Paul: 1:05:09

Yeah, we're not even adapting yet to the change.

Erik Nilsson: 1:05:11

We don't even realize the change and like the speed of change is changing, but then people can't keep up as fast. So it's like this 10% that used to be a heads down, this 5% which is slowly becoming this 1%, and the 99 are lost.

Scott Paul: 1:05:23

Yeah, it's almost. Yeah, I'm. We're definitely all glitching a little bit with the speed of change. I don't know what to do about it, but I think the best thing to do is acknowledge that our bodies, human beings, are super evolutionary in a way that they can kind of we've already got this far with all this crazy stuff going on, and so I think I think we're kind of ready for like I just want to be optimistic and think that, like when I see my kids on the phone and playing Fortnite and like you need to be outside like Mark Twain and me and make a fort and you know, killing rabbits and stuff, and then I think about it, I'm like that's not going to serve them much. They like they're probably should get really good like Ender's game.

Scott Paul: 1:06:08

They should probably get really good Fortnite. Yeah yeah, there's probably some real benefits.

Erik Nilsson: 1:06:12

They're probably we don't know the transferable skills, but there will be.

Scott Paul: 1:06:15

Yes, I think the transferable skills are going to be the things that these kids are really good at. You know my daughters are making TikTok. One of my daughters is big anime influencer on TikTok for, for, for back, takatitan um Jiu Jitsu Kaizen and one other one that is called a bongo stray dogs. It's like her favorite and she's makes content and she's got followers all over the world. That's amazing, Getting hundreds of thousands of likes on her little memes. I'm just like that's probably going to work out for her.

Erik Nilsson: 1:06:43

Yeah, like that's going to do better than going and playing hopscotch. Yeah, and I'm possibly going to school. Yeah. So how'd you get your um, your uh scholarship? Well, I did this amazing thesis in anime theory and they accepted me to.

Scott Paul: 1:06:58

Harvard for it. Yeah, I don't even think she sees school as a past. She wants to live in Japan and start and start working with studios, to be fair, I think it's not going to be a path for too much longer.

Scott Paul: 1:07:07

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, school's got, school got a place, but it's got it. It's like the human evolution, the education evolution here in at least the US, is getting outpaced by technology and always has been. But it's really fast right now. Yeah, really fast Cause I'm talking to my kids about the sentiment at high school and it's like everyone's using chat, gbt, everyone's using brainly, this and to do tasks. It's like they're just they're hackers, all these kids. They don't want to be doing bullshit, they want to be playing and that's like most kids most profile of like a teen is like how can I maximize my having fun and minimize my dread, my dread like treachery, of doing rote memorization?

Erik Nilsson: 1:07:47

Yeah, and now they have like the technology to actually do it and be like tell me not to. You don't even know how this all works.

Scott Paul: 1:07:53

Exactly, and that's happening rampantly and I just like I was like I could be, like you should not be doing that instead, I'm like let's do this and then get, get out of school's fashion, can't? Let's go work on a business. Let's go make some ice at an ice cream company. Let's do something with AI and your in your passion. Let's go do more. Let's go to Japan and get more content for your, for your channel Exactly let's go.

Erik Nilsson: 1:08:12

Let's go travel and have some fun and make it worth it. Yeah, so wrapping up with two questions the first one I always ask is if you could have someone on the podcast and hear about their story or what they're up to. Who do you think you'd want to hear from?

Scott Paul: 1:08:28

I like crazy ass women.

Erik Nilsson: 1:08:30

I also love crazy ass women.

Scott Paul: 1:08:33

I want batshit crazy women on this podcast. Like as we just get all their housewives in here and I kind of I don't know the girls, but I see, yeah, like the housewives, these like Mormon influence, these, these guys, the ex-Mormon influencer girls that are just making hilarious content, yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 1:08:51

These girls are hilarious.

Scott Paul: 1:08:53

They're using, they're using AI to like. Did you see the one of like? Even more extremely Mormon.

Erik Nilsson: 1:08:58

Oh, the one that you posted. Yes, I was dying Like because I saw it on your story and I had to tap into it and I was growing.

Scott Paul: 1:09:03

Look at her Something, something, carly. I want her on this thing for sure. I want this other mom influencer, jane, just Jane on she's good. I love mommy influencers Like the ones that are ironic and stuff, the ones that if you're still like not ironic and you're still kind of just posting your fashion and thinking that it's a thing and that people aren't kind of cringing with you, then I don't want them because they're not in the real world. I want the ones that produce cringe and love it.

Erik Nilsson: 1:09:29

Yeah, just lean into it.

Scott Paul: 1:09:31

Yeah, lean into it Like. I'm here for the cringe, I'm here to make you cringe. I love cringe artists.

Erik Nilsson: 1:09:37

Cringe artists and dark humor is what gets me through social media so good.

Scott Paul: 1:09:41

So get one of those batch of crazy women on here that make good content. I want to see that.

Erik Nilsson: 1:09:46

I can do that. And then, lastly, if anybody wants to, oh, I know her name too.

Scott Paul: 1:09:50

She's an artist, go on. Her name is, I'll show her after. But she's just got tons of dreads. She's a big. She just went LA and played she's. She's got just cute little tats everywhere, some piercings, and she's writing songs and she is about I mean about is free child hippie girls you can get, and great voice, beautiful. I forget her name, but I want to see her in this. I want to hire her. I want her to be our local shaman.

Erik Nilsson: 1:10:19

She's just yeah, we'll have her on the podcast and we'll end with will you be Scott Paul Shaman? Yes, but we'll do it like bachelor style. So she has to make a decision in the moment, except the rose.

Scott Paul: 1:10:28

I'll love it. I'll love it, so yeah. So let's let me know if you have any success on this guy's crazy. His name is Chris Crone. He's basically a scam artist that everyone in his comments calls him out for all his scams, but he just keeps making content and completely ignores all the people especially when they have wads of cash in their video. Yeah, he's got to love that stuff. He's got to know what he's doing.

Erik Nilsson: 1:10:50

Well, that's when you go to Amazon and you can literally search like stakes, like stacks of fake stage prop cash, and it is that.

Scott Paul: 1:10:59

He's doing that. That's so good. So, yeah, there's a few people in Utah and Salt Lake and I know this one girls. She's kind of traveling and touring now, but I know she's from Draper, so she's from this county and yeah, yeah, that's about it. So that's my thought. I can't, I can't find her. She was first in my feed and now she's gone. She disappeared. On you, Dude, I'm just like mesmerized by her. Her just audacity. She's just just just bees. She's just being her in every way like no, no, holding back, I mean, she's just I, just I, like people that are have given up on any of society's cancel, cancel mechanics, you know, like the canceling of people. I just want, I want to, I want to see how many times I can get canceled in my life.

Erik Nilsson: 1:11:47

See how many more times you can get kicked off.

Scott Paul: 1:11:48

LinkedIn. Yeah, exactly, I can't.

Erik Nilsson: 1:11:49

Yeah, that's hard, I can't get back on at this point but like I think that was the first time I ever saw something from you, as I was like scrolling LinkedIn like a loser and I just saw this, this post, like for anybody who's curious, my dad is going to be at Silicon Sloan. Oh, you saw my daughter's yeah exactly, and I was like wait, and I kind of had to do a double take cause I'm like this is not normal. And then I like kind of like just named.

Erik Nilsson: 1:12:09

She said Google's like oh, this is hilarious.

Scott Paul: 1:12:12

That's funny. That's my oldest. Yeah, she's done it. Well, can't find my other, my hippie girl but we'll find her. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get her on here.

Erik Nilsson: 1:12:21

Yeah.

Scott Paul: 1:12:23

Well, thanks for yeah. And then lastly, if you ask question like last thing. I mean, I do want, I do want everyone here to convert to my new religion and so maybe leave my email here so they can yeah, I was going to say if people want to reach out to you or find you, yeah. It's really easy. We don't have any tithing or taxes or anything. We just have a free health AI that allows you to live longer.

Erik Nilsson: 1:12:43

Yeah, and it'll tell you every day how you can live longer, and give you a number it should I mean hopefully?

Scott Paul: 1:12:48

hopefully it gets it right. Right, hopefully it doesn't start working against us.

Erik Nilsson: 1:12:51

But the idea is that it's keep chugging morphine until you can't move.

Scott Paul: 1:12:57

Yeah, no, it's going to do good. It's already. We're already using it. It's blowing our minds. We've already had literally lives saved and people improve health and get off oxygen. And I had a fishbone stuck in my mouth and I was using it and I was like chat.

Erik Nilsson: 1:13:08

how do I get this?

Scott Paul: 1:13:09

Yeah, and it told me right in the dinner like, don't put your finger down your throat and try to claw it out. That's how you'll get yourself cut. Just get some bread with water, and so I do that as up at Park City, so you should rest. I'm like oh gone, good, thank you. Thank you, chat, gbt again. Yeah.

Erik Nilsson: 1:13:23

So you said your email. Where what is it they can reach out to Do?

Scott Paul: 1:13:26

my, do my Scott at fihealth.

Erik Nilsson: 1:13:29

Scott at fihealth.

Scott Paul: 1:13:30

Yeah, fi P H I, cool P H I. And this is our symbol, not our logo or symbol. The symbol, yeah Religions don't have logos, they have symbols.

Erik Nilsson: 1:13:39

Yes, it's not a cross.

Scott Paul: 1:13:42

It's not a. It's not a. What are some other ones? It's not a star, it's not a circle in a square. It's a. It's a, it's a. We're trying to figure out the balance between the nature and technology. So that's the thing with all these AI they lean a little too. They lean a. The answers are going to be a blend we think of of nature and technology. We can't forget, we can't forget this earth, that was producing all the things that we all survive on.

Scott Paul: 1:14:12

We're all organisms that need earth, and even the GPUs are going to need earth, so we got to. I don't know, we don't know. That's something we've discovered early on. Is that, however, we're going to figure out how to live longer? It's going to be. It's going to be a balance of of of nature and tech.

Erik Nilsson: 1:14:26

All right, it'll be a harmony for sure.

Scott Paul: 1:14:28

Yeah, harmony Good.

Erik Nilsson: 1:14:29

Scott, so glad we can make it work.

Scott Paul: 1:14:31

Thanks for the wig, that was really fun.

Erik Nilsson: 1:14:34

My pleasure.

Scott Paul: 1:14:34

And I don't. I mean, it's just a different vibe, but I'm going to take it to my next. I'm going to go to a Kava ceremony and yes, thank you, I'm going to have this song.

Erik Nilsson: 1:14:41

It's going to be great. No, that makes me so happy. There's a wig, kava sash, yeah.