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020 The Power of Intuition: Navigating Business and Personal Growth with Deep Listening featuring Kim Kaase

• Homaya / Kim Kase • Season 1 • Episode 20

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In this episode, I engage in a profound conversation with Kim Kaase, delving into the depths of personal growth, intuition, and the art of listening. Together, we explore the intricate dance between intellect and intuition in both business and personal development.

Summary:

  • Kim Kaase shares her insights on the delicate balance between intellect and intuition in business relationships. She highlights the importance of authenticity and deep listening in connecting with others on a profound level.
  • We discuss the power of intuition and how it guides us towards our true calling. Kim shares her experiences of following intuitive nudges, even when they lead her out of her comfort zone.
  • The conversation evolves into a reflection on the essence of presence and the transformative power of deep listening. We explore how creating space for others to share their truth can lead to profound insights and connections.

Key Takeaways:

  1. Authenticity and deep listening are essential in building meaningful relationships, both in business and personal life.
  2. Trusting our intuition and following our inner guidance can lead to unexpected opportunities and profound growth.
  3. Creating space for others to express themselves allows for deeper connections and insights to emerge.

Join us on this journey of self-discovery and connection as we explore the power of intuition and the art of listening.

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The Calling EP20

[00:00:00] Homaya: Hello my beauties! What a treat we have today. I am with my dear beautiful friend Kim Kaase. Did I pronounce it well? 

[00:00:12] Kim Kaase: You did? 

[00:00:13] Homaya: Oh my god. And we know each other for some time. I love having deep conversations with her.

[00:00:23] Homaya: I would say in my heart, she's an elder of the good quality one.

[00:00:30] Homaya: Kim, Is a mentor and a coach for business owner, and she have walked the path of corporate for quite a long time. However, almost every conversation I have with you somehow, sooner or later, it's either about intuition or about magic, or about consciousness or about God. 

[00:00:58] Kim Kaase: I 

[00:01:00] Homaya: love, I love the space of prayer that you are holding in your presence.

[00:01:05] Homaya: I love the wisdom that you have. And not so long ago, we had this beautiful opportunity that I could be with you in person. And I knew I was waiting for this hug for so long. And that was amazing for me. to witness you, the way you listen, the way you touch, the way I want to bring this, I want to bring this magic today to our listeners, to the one who are with us.

[00:01:35] Homaya: I want to bring your path. I remember one of the beautiful let me give you a moment to introduce yourself and then I,

[00:01:42] Kim Kaase: Oh, my gosh. Thank you for all that. I love you so much. And you introduced me beautifully because it's I do consider myself this bridge because I experience things in terms of the divine of intuitive.

[00:02:03] Kim Kaase: I felt so divinely led. And at the same time, I spent, I'm 57. I spent way over half my life in corporate America. Where I didn't experience myself at that, although I felt a tug underneath, and so I feel so much of the work that I now do in the world is with people who have they're really sharp and smart and intellectual and, but their next level, they can't do more of that.

[00:02:35] Kim Kaase: It's burning them out. It's. They know there's something more. And so I just see myself as this bridge. To being led by something much bigger than us as individuals, and getting back in touch with our souls and yeah, having intuition speak every day. I just feel like that's why I'm here.

[00:02:59] Homaya: And you do that so beautifully. Thank you. How I want to speak about so many things with you, but now what comes strong is how is it, how was it, how is it to work with huge bands, masculine that are so anchored in what needs to be done in Excel files, in all of those, very limited, logic, oriented, designed, pre designed moves.

[00:03:32] Homaya: super calculated, we can say heavy energy. How is it to bring intuition into this world? How, what are you doing there? 

[00:03:43] Kim Kaase: It's it's a fascinating question because it really, like something started when I just started corporate when I was like 23 years old. That followed me throughout my corporate career and this thing that followed me throughout my corporate career, I seem to, no matter what I was doing, I was a commercial interior designer.

[00:04:01] Kim Kaase: So I worked a lot with people in their space, big corporations, and no matter what company I worked at, they would somehow, I would always get assigned the really type A, alpha, Like the back then the meanest person ever. And this followed me and somehow like my last big corporate job before, before going to where I became VP of sales, I was at Enron and they gave me some of the hardest men to work with.

[00:04:32] Kim Kaase: And those guys were really tough. Like they were. They were trading all this. It was very complex what they did. And they were really harsh at times, but somehow when I walked into the room, something softened and they didn't, I'm not saying they went into puddles, they didn't, but somehow I could communicate with them because I wasn't trying to meet them with their vigor.

[00:05:01] Kim Kaase: There was even back then I wasn't even in touch with this, but it was, so I was effective with. With people who were rooted in that area. So fast forward to the work I do now is. A, I understand that world because I was the person who was pretty type A and rooted in what was logical, rooted in my intellect.

[00:05:26] Kim Kaase: I'm a sharp cookie. Like I know, I know how to use my intellect. But my trajectory was the last few years I was in corporate in 2010, 2011, I was so overusing those skills and so under utilizing my intuition that I landed in the hospital two years in a row on Christmas. How, speaking about Wake 

[00:05:49] Homaya: up, call 

[00:05:50] Kim Kaase: Wake, but I didn't even, but I didn't wake up like that's how, so this is how I can work with these people.

[00:05:55] Kim Kaase: 'cause I didn't even wake up then really. It took me a couple more years to actually wake up. 

[00:06:01] Homaya: But after that, did you realize that was a wake up call? 

[00:06:04] Kim Kaase: I now do. So what happened was I knew that I needed to do something more that was expressive. I wanted to be a coach because I'd experienced coaching.

[00:06:12] Kim Kaase: I started my coaching business in 2012 and this is worth sharing. So I changed my life completely. I went from like having a paycheck and a job and a this and, like speeding in to pick up my son at 6 PM to oh, I chose my clients and I did work that I absolutely love and I pick my son up at 3 PM every day and I set my own hours, like everything had changed, but I was sitting at my desk one day in my home office on 2014 and I noticed oh, my gosh, I'm just as stressed out as I used to be.

[00:06:47] Kim Kaase: And I thought that makes no sense. Like God spoke to me and I was like, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. I changed all of these circumstances. feel like I'm in a pressure cooker. So there's something quite and God spoke to me and said, keep your eyes and ears open. There's something you don't realize yet.

[00:07:08] Kim Kaase: Okay. And I hear, and when I hear that clearly, I know to listen. And within about three weeks, it like, I, God put in the path something that I hadn't come across yet and it's so much about how the You know how the mind works that we're never ever really Responding to our circumstances. We're responding from the inside, but I didn't know that back then and it changed my life It changed my life.

[00:07:35] Kim Kaase: Of course It gave you life. It gave me life. And so that changed the entire trajectory of my business, of course, because then once I had that realization and that insight, and it became embodied in me, it's I couldn't not share that with other people. And that's when I actually really started working mainly with business owners because what happens is business owners we use all of our intellect, we grind, we, we'll really push, and then there's a point that you can't do anymore.

[00:08:04] Kim Kaase: You see the next level, but doing will not get you there. We know this, right? Yeah. You try. Yeah. It doesn't work. And so that then has become my life's work. 

[00:08:17] Homaya: Yeah. That point, I feel that this is so crucial when we speak about it. When we speak about business, it's really easy to say, Oh, this is when you start manipulating.

[00:08:29] Homaya: This is when you start pushing even more. This is when you think, okay, if I take more, if I will take more, if I will take more assistance, if I will, Take more projects. Like you try to move the furnitures in the room and you cannot figure out what is really happening. And it's easy to see that in, in business, but it goes to relationship the same.

[00:08:53] Homaya: You try to change some things by changing them outside and it never work. It can work for a short period of time. It can work. Then you repeat the lesson and the lesson come back again and the lesson come back again and will come back again. I was just giving a live session now about this. I said there is the up going upward spiral.

[00:09:16] Homaya: It's when you take the lesson, you complete, you move to the next one, you take the lesson, you complete, you move to the next one. The rest of the people who are not really moving into completing this life lesson are thinking that they are in spiral, just repeating themselves and the waking up to see.

[00:09:32] Homaya: I just. took other people to play the roles that, the other people that I had before were playing. It's just, whether the weather was changed is different, but nothing more than that.

[00:09:44] Homaya: So how do you, can you share, do you feel that you can share, how do you bring people from the corporate or business owner? How do you introduce them this realization that they are creating everything? Inside out. 

[00:10:01] Kim Kaase: Yeah. Oh boy. That's such a great question. I don't know if there's 

[00:10:05] Homaya: an answer. Yeah. 

[00:10:07] Kim Kaase: I can tell you the way that over the years has worked best in doing that.

[00:10:13] Kim Kaase: And I've tried a lot of different ways, a lot of, methodologies that I've come up with, but here's what honestly works the best. I was just talking about this on the live. It's. Yeah. When I, and I, I love human beings. I know you know this cause you've been on my blog. I love people and I like really love my clients and I love diving into deep conversations with them.

[00:10:36] Kim Kaase: So the way I do this is I start all my clients on a one to one retreat with me. And what I know is that if I show up and that other person shows up and that person is somewhat receptive. And sometimes I need to massage them a little bit to get them receptive. That what I'm pointing out. With our experience being created from the inside out, because it's true.

[00:11:04] Kim Kaase: That's on my side. Yeah. When we're pointing at something that's true, man, we've got one up already because it's not like I'm trying to convince them of something that is a theory or whatever. It's actually true. So that's on my side. So I have a lot of confidence in that. So part of this is just, lived experience and the confidence, but there are a lot of ways to.

[00:11:27] Kim Kaase: To point at this but a lot of times it's showing someone having a conversation with them that shows them like what they've done up till now hasn't changed anything like that's pretty revealing, but people don't think about their experiences in that way, reflectively very often. And what I'm, I think what I'm good at, and I know you're so good at this too, is getting people reflective, getting them out of thinking about things the way they've always thought about them and gone Whoa, if I. If I looked at my situation and I was on the mountaintop, that's a really different perspective. And I know if we look at their situation from the mountaintop, they're going to see something different.

[00:12:11] Kim Kaase: And then I can always count on them having their own insight because it happens too often, right? 

[00:12:16] Homaya: That's, it's not really what I say. Exactly. This is the beautiful thing that those type of people specifically are people who know and are curious, right? To think different and to innovate and to create.

[00:12:33] Homaya: The comfort zone is repeating what we know. This is the real comfort zone. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. The pattern is coming back. And I feel that every business owner in some way decided to become a business owner because there is this urge of creativity alive within.

[00:12:54] Homaya: There is this innovation, this curiosity, this interest into what there is beyond. And if they are, And I know that this would not be a word that you would use, but I feel that would be an appropriate word. If they are being initiated to the truth through you in this one on one experience, now they get all the juices flowing, and they, because it is the truth have something, the truth is the most simple thing.

[00:13:24] Homaya: It's just know how to flow and be everywhere. Everything else, right? The everything else is complicated, but the truth is the most simple thing. And then I believe that they are experiencing this beautiful level of relief because they've been initiated to the truth. 

[00:13:40] Kim Kaase: Yes, on some level, what I've known from the beginning is when someone shows up in my space, I know what they're there for.

[00:13:51] Kim Kaase: And it's not always what they say, right? It's not always that, Oh, I want to, I want my next level. I want to make more money. Like it's not always that it's what they're really there for is to know themselves more deeply. To commune with God, to reconnect, to make that connection real again. Yeah. And I know what happens when that happens.

[00:14:15] Homaya: Yeah. Yeah. Which is the opposite then being the only one responsible, having everything on your shoulder, moving with this heaviness, that really takes life away from you. 

[00:14:29] Kim Kaase: Yes. You're 

[00:14:31] Homaya: not running a business. The business 

[00:14:33] Kim Kaase: is running 

[00:14:33] Homaya: you. 

[00:14:34] Kim Kaase: Exactly. Exactly. And that's just not a, and I think people are waking up more and more to wow, this is no way to live.

[00:14:41] Kim Kaase: I think one of the blessings of the, of what happened in 2020 is people started to wake up even more what have I been doing? What have I been doing? So this conversation I know that you have with your clients that I have with my clients It's where, when I first started talking about this 10 years ago, like it was not an idea whose time had come yet.

[00:15:00] Kim Kaase: It was a lot of it felt like an uphill, but now it's really an idea whose time has come. Like people are really seeing Oh wow. I see what happens when I take my foot off the gas. 

[00:15:12] Homaya: It's so beautiful. It's just the feeling when you're saying it. Just that. This is one of the things that I love with you so much, that sometimes you say, it's just a normal sentence, but there is such a magical charge in it.

[00:15:28] Homaya: Because I could feel, I could just feel, I could just feel, take the, relax. Take yourself out of the equation so you can bring your heart and your soul into the equation. Right? Take the ego out of the equation, bring the magic into the equation. You are still part of everything that is happening, but it's not you.

[00:15:51] Homaya: It's through you. 

[00:15:53] Kim Kaase: Yes. Yes. And it's it's fascinating because Look, I know for me, when I started coaching in 2012 full time, like the thing that I said, you'll laugh at this. I don't think I've ever told you this, but I said, whatever I do, I'm not going to be one of those woo spiritual people.

[00:16:12] Kim Kaase: I thought whatever I do, which is fascinating, right? Because it's exactly. What I needed and then what I, what my whole work is, but it's, but I'd been indoctrinated in a system where everything that was rewarded in me was my smarts, what I learned, how do I do this? How do I've got it. I've got it.

[00:16:34] Kim Kaase: I've got it. Here are the steps, here are the steps, yet inside I was so empty. And now it's just I'm just full. I'm just full of 

[00:16:45] Homaya: joy. And I'd love to overflowing. This is, I feel this is a correct, because it's still empty. Do you know what I mean? It's still empty, but it's not dumped and void.

[00:16:56] Homaya: And like it's not, it's still empty. And at the same time, it's overflowing. 

[00:17:02] Kim Kaase: Yes. So strong and so beautiful 

[00:17:06] Homaya: and such, such a beautiful, surrender that I know that you keep on doing, surrendering more and more. I want to take this story that really, that was one of the moment that I was like, Oh my God, she's gorgeous.

[00:17:19] Homaya: When you told me that you heard God saying to you, stop. 

[00:17:24] Kim Kaase: Yes. Yes. Oh yeah. Like you're right. It's surrendering over and over. This is in 2021. I had. Like many people taking my business more online in 2020 and learned what I needed to learn to do that. And I was, I think I was pretty successful with it for being a beginner, not really knowing what I was doing, but I got in this cycle of.

[00:17:48] Kim Kaase: There's launching a master class, launching of this, launching of that and I got, it was a cycle, it wasn't from here, even though some of the classes were pretty were from here, but the cycle was very much here in my head. And November 2021, I was launching a leadership class.

[00:18:07] Kim Kaase: And I was sitting in my office and God said, stop. And I've had a lot of people sign up for this leadership class, by the way, it was, 30 or 40 people and God said, no, only my direction. And I thought for two 

[00:18:29] Homaya: hours, okay, God, I got to stop for two hours. Okay. Three days. 

[00:18:32] Kim Kaase: Yes. I thought probably by January I'll have exact direction on what to do.

[00:18:38] Kim Kaase: And I'm going to tell you, it really was something that took a while to unfold, of just really following what dropped in for me and not pushing anything. It took over a year, actually I don't like to tell that part because people go oh, my gosh I don't have a year to wait. But again, I think, For this to be embodied in me, that's what it took for me.

[00:19:02] Kim Kaase: Because again, like even at my level of surrender, there was still a lot of ego in what I was doing, and so I just had to, so really for that whole year of 2022, I was listening and one time I did launch something that was my idea and it was, it flopped. I remember. I had four people sign up, two people came up, like it was, Not good.

[00:19:24] Kim Kaase: And and thank goodness. I have a lot of kind of in real life clients and that, like I wasn't doing nothing, but I was doing what dropped in, but I was like okay, got it. Got it. I'm not going to do anything. So it just has taken some time to integrate doing business in that way.

[00:19:42] Kim Kaase: Like really being divinely led. What does that really look like on a day to day basis? I never know. I sit down and I'm quiet in the mornings and I find out each day. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:19:53] Homaya: But what is more courage than that? 

[00:19:56] Kim Kaase: Yeah. 

[00:19:57] Homaya: What is more courageous than I am led By the unknown, aren't we all? So at least let me be truthful with that.

[00:20:06] Homaya: I am led by the unknown. I'm making love with the unknown every single day, all day long. But we don't feel much security. And it's I remember, I don't know if it was with you that I had this conversation that I said, if I sign up to the class, And I see too much information about what is going to be in the class.

[00:20:26] Homaya: I don't want to go to the class. It's already written. What's going I don't want to go there. Why should I go? 

[00:20:34] Kim Kaase: Yes. 

[00:20:34] Homaya: What's going to really take me to the next level? What will be Elevating. What will be transformative if I, it's already set. Go straight, turn to the right, then go left. There's no innovation in that.

[00:20:48] Homaya: There's no mastery in that. There's no presence. There's no purpose even. Yes. 

[00:20:54] Kim Kaase: Yes. But this speaks to a level of consciousness. When we're divinely led or mostly divinely led at that level of consciousness, we don't want to know everything that's in the class. Of course, right? Of course, cause there's no juice in it.

[00:21:10] Kim Kaase: However, the thing that I think is fascinating with business is that the majority of the planet. And this is not better or worse, by the way, these levels of consciousness the majority of the planet is more on either an intellectual level or a lower level, right? This kind of needing to know levels, very popular in business.

[00:21:33] Kim Kaase: So it's an interesting dance, I think, as we develop clients, especially for what I feel like I'm here to do, to be that bridge of how, what you, like, how do you weave that artistry so that people find you when they're ready and yeah, because it's two different languages, really. It's two different languages in business with a divinely led person versus someone who's more at this, how to I, I've done well with my intelligence.

[00:22:06] Homaya: Yeah, but I feel there's something that I, of course we cannot make it so flat, but I also feel that it's really important that we will inspire in a way that if that would be like, imagine there's a ball in that case, luminous, shining from the center to all direction without, like without differentiation, consciousness, and then on it, there is a skin.

[00:22:36] Homaya: A mask, thicker or thinner, that type of consciousness or the other type of consciousness, it's really irrelevant. It's all a mask. It's all a skin. It's just a fashion. And it's just like a false security that one is buying, thinking that they are playing the real deal, but actually operating on what I know, playing within the zone of familiarity.

[00:23:06] Homaya: and not necessarily having this happiness and joyful experience of really being alive. And then, as you're staying in this mask, and you're staying in this shield, probably, that you build upon your consciousness, upon truth, and you try to, the same that you try to fix your business. Then you try to fix your life, right?

[00:23:31] Homaya: Let me find a lover. Let me go to that and that event. Let me do that and that. Let me get that shield working for me. So it doesn't really matter. What is the, what is the custom? What is the skin? It doesn't really matter because once you passed through that, with a mentor or without a mentor you're sitting on the fountain of life.

[00:23:57] Kim Kaase: That's so beautiful, what you just said. And 

[00:24:00] Homaya: it might take a moment, right? It might take a moment to feel that you're comfortable in it. And then maybe you want to go deep in it. it's it's just removing this skin. Yes. 

[00:24:12] Kim Kaase: And the thing that's so interesting about the removing of the skin, like people can feel that, like they can really feel, if my skin is removed, they can feel like It's palpable and yours as well.

[00:24:27] Kim Kaase: And that's what, like a lot of people who have hired me over the years, I always just say, I don't know. I just know I need to work with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've tried a lot of different kind of marketing things, but honestly, most people say, I don't know, I just have this. It's, I have a nudge, like I, I just, I can't get it off my mind or, 

[00:24:48] Homaya: it's 

[00:24:48] Kim Kaase: fascinating.

[00:24:48] Kim Kaase: I dream about 

[00:24:49] Homaya: you, for me, it's like I dream about you, I cannot stop thinking about you, I hear your voice in my head. You don't really hear my voice in your head. What you hear is the echo of your longing. 

[00:25:01] Kim Kaase: Yes. Oh, yes. That's my 

[00:25:03] Homaya: voice. 

[00:25:04] Kim Kaase: Beautiful. So you 

[00:25:05] Homaya: don't hear my voice. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. 

[00:25:09] Kim Kaase: So gorgeous.

[00:25:10] Kim Kaase: I love it. 

[00:25:11] Homaya: Yeah. And it needs, I feel that for the people to, this is why this podcast name. the calling. Because I was thinking to myself what would be the thing that I can put there out loud that will be really a conversation for people? And that would be like an entry point. And the entry point is listen to the calling.

[00:25:32] Homaya: If you're not able to listen to your own calling, if you hear, for example, my voice in your head and you're not buying the ticket, if you see a pointing there, if you feel inside that you're just. In more effort and you're not surrendering. If you're not able, the number one thing is answer your calling.

[00:25:52] Kim Kaase: I love that. I love that. It's

[00:25:55] Kim Kaase: yeah, it's really beautiful to work in that space with people. I met a woman in December. I was out in California working with a client team and I was coming back. It was really early on, like a Friday morning and I get on this plane at 7am, really early. It was, I was flying Southwest, so the seats were not assigned.

[00:26:21] Kim Kaase: And I heard God sit next to her. I'm like, but I don't want a middle seat. Sit next to her. Okay. So I sit next to her and I'm thinking to myself I don't know why I'm sitting next to her because I don't talk to people on planes anyway. It got settled. And then I had the intuition talk to her.

[00:26:37] Kim Kaase: I'm like, Oh, but I don't talk to people on planes. I just like to be in my own little. And I started chatting with this lady and we had the greatest conversation. It was an hour and a half, the whole flight. And she said, I would really like to keep in touch with you. I've loved this conversation and it started this beautiful, I talked to her again this week and it reminded me about what you're saying about the calling.

[00:27:03] Kim Kaase: She just, I don't know I just know I'm supposed to be in your life and you're supposed to be in my life. Yeah. You

[00:27:12] Homaya: know. So much power. 

[00:27:14] Kim Kaase: It's so much power. It's so much power. 

[00:27:18] Homaya: And those things cannot be explained. How can you explain the level of power and potency and presence and Oh, the real life.

[00:27:28] Homaya: How can you explain now I'm using so much power and you and I, we know what it means. And I'm assuming that many of the people who are listening knows what it means. Yes. But then our calling is to go deeper with that. Go deeper. Another day and another day. More in the risk, more in the unknown, more with it.

[00:27:49] Homaya: Go deeper in it, go more with it listen more, which is again one of the things that I love you, like in the Punta Cana, one of the things that really touched me is I feel, I say it like that, I feel that the art of healing and coaching and mentoring is the art of listening. You know how to listen?

[00:28:07] Homaya: We're 80 percent done. 

[00:28:10] Kim Kaase: Yes. 

[00:28:11] Homaya: Because you don't supposed to be listening to what the person is saying. And you're not also supposed to listen to what the person is not saying in that sense, because seeing and not seeing will still be the same, right? You're supposed to listen to from where the person is speaking.

[00:28:33] Kim Kaase: Yes. 

[00:28:34] Homaya: From where this person is saying or not saying several things. And just this that I'm bringing here now, I feel that is so much connected to what you were sharing about the business, right? It's I do. No. And then I want to do something more and I want to do something innovative.

[00:28:50] Homaya: No. It's like from where you do it from the right place and the path is open. Do it from within. Do it from yourself. 

[00:28:59] Kim Kaase: Yes. Yeah. That's it. I, my coach training, actually I did a, an advanced certification in just what you're talking about. That's what the entire thing was about for several years, which was where are you listening from?

[00:29:15] Kim Kaase: Where are they speaking from? Where like it, it was all that, 80 percent of our training was that, and it was, it's, Yeah. Like the I, at the time I didn't fully appreciate it because I was still like, when are you going to teach me how to enroll clients or whatever? Whatever I was concerned about, probably that, because that would always be, and I'm, and, but now I've gotten this really fresh appreciation of it over even just the last year of Ooh, yeah, that this is 10 years later coming back and going ah, I think when we were in Punta Cana, It really dawned on me like, Oh yeah, this is how I listen.

[00:29:56] Kim Kaase: I don't, I take it for granted sometimes. 

[00:30:00] Homaya: Yeah. Many times we take our most gifted parts for granted. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I love the way that you're listening. I love that because it's like you're listening to in such a nuance. And I feel that when you are in the space of someone who is able to listen in the, to the thin air, do you know?

[00:30:28] Homaya: Listen before you exhale, we can see. Listen while the person inhaling. That by itself command you to speak differently. 

[00:30:42] Kim Kaase: Yes. Yes. Because 

[00:30:45] Homaya: you know that every word is taken into consideration. Yes, 

[00:30:52] Kim Kaase: it's there's, I often say, like in some of my sessions, if someone were watching, it's a little bit like watching paint dry because it's, I'm guided to leave a lot of space and.

[00:31:08] Kim Kaase: I know when I was a young coach, I wanted to fill the airspace, I hope that was proving, like I need to, oh, I need to say something really valuable here but now I know there's so much value in just finding, finding the frequency, finding what's really driving what the person is saying or how they're viewing their situation.

[00:31:28] Kim Kaase: And then using as few words possible so that I don't get in the way of their insight. 

[00:31:34] Homaya: Yeah. Kim, there's something interesting that I want to bring here. It's quite personal, but I think we can handle that. When we started meeting today, one of the things that I had this click click, why every time that I hear you speak, I feel that you need to be on stage.

[00:31:49] Homaya: And now, when you're speaking about the listening, and like that you were well trained to be in the position of listening, to be in the position that is just giving space or creating space for others, I believe that With that magic, you can still be on stage. 

[00:32:10] Kim Kaase: Interesting. 

[00:32:12] Homaya: Because I feel that, if it, everything was orchestrated, everything is orchestrated, you need to rehearse, and play the music.

[00:32:23] Homaya: It is already recorded. inside of you, inside of yourselves. And then you can just show up. Of course, with an art it's an art to play something that is written in a way that moves you. You still need to move the energy through you. But then there's another art, which is like more like an improvisation jazz.

[00:32:48] Homaya: It's you are an artist. in the listening and in you inhale what I feel many times, when I sit in classes, what I feel is that I inhale what my students are bringing to the space and what I exhale is relevant to them because intentionally I'm inhaling their breath. I don't take it for granted that this is we're breathing the same air, right?

[00:33:19] Homaya: This is channeling. Yes, 

[00:33:23] Kim Kaase: yes. And I really hear you when you say speaker. And I think one of my hesitancies and I'm, I think a new possibility is opening up as you're speaking is that because I do listen so deeply, I envisioned myself at times in a room of whatever, a hundred people and I'm on the stage and I'm deeply listening.

[00:33:46] Kim Kaase: It's a lot of. It's a lot to take in, but I also feel at this point oh yeah, it's time to do that now. Where maybe two or three years ago, I wasn't quite, it would feel a bit overwhelming to me, perhaps, but I feel like what you're saying, Yeah, 

[00:34:07] Homaya: and listening to 100 people is still listening to one.

[00:34:12] Homaya: True. 

[00:34:13] Kim Kaase: That's so true. There's only one of us. It's 

[00:34:17] Homaya: still listening to one. There is one thing in the room. And it doesn't matter if it is 100 or 1, 000. It is one in the room and as calmer we are with the fact that there is, there's only one there's

[00:34:32] Homaya: I like to say, I like to say it in the way that I love to sit on the teacher chair and keep the chair empty. 

[00:34:40] Kim Kaase: That's a great way to say it. That's a great way to say it. And what just occurred to me is I was just doing a live a little while ago about one on one versus groups and how to get the most out of mentorship and coaching.

[00:34:51] Kim Kaase: And what I realized Oh, it's all one on one. 

[00:34:54] Homaya: It's all one on one. It's 

[00:34:56] Kim Kaase: all one on one. 

[00:34:58] Homaya: Yeah. Do you know one of the things that magic that happened to me in Puttakana, like why the integration was so deep and long for me, for everyone is because this quality of everyone is, there were many people giving different perspective, not necessarily all together as one, but then as a whole.

[00:35:22] Homaya: As it was integrated within me, it became one voice. 

[00:35:28] Kim Kaase: Yes. That was my experience as well. It was challenging to have all the perspectives like in real time in that moment. But my sense was, okay, this is all going to weave together and I left myself some space and time when I got home to really let it work its way in.

[00:35:49] Kim Kaase: Yeah. It's so beautiful. This is such a beautiful conversation. 

[00:35:53] Homaya: Thank you. Thank you for your beautiful presence and I'm so happy and grateful for our friendship and connection. 

[00:36:02] Kim Kaase: I love you so much. 

[00:36:03] Homaya: Thank you, my love.