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032 Spiritual Growth Through the Path of Mentorship: From Resistance to Heart Leadership Featuring Elama

• Homaya / Elama • Season 1 • Episode 32

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Hello and blessings, beautiful people! I'm so excited to have you join us for another enriching episode of The Calling. Today, we delve deep into a heartfelt conversation with my dear friend and long-time collaborator, Elama. This episode is particularly special as we explore the transformative journey we've shared over the past 12 years.

Summary

In this episode, I sit down with Elama to reflect on our shared journey of healing, growth, and discovery. We reminisce about the early days of our friendship, the challenges we've overcome, and the profound spiritual insights we've gained. This conversation is a testament to the power of mentorship, trust, and the incredible transformations that can occur when we embrace our true paths.

Key Takeaways

  1. The Power of Mentorship:
    • Discover how a strong mentor-mentee relationship can lead to profound personal and spiritual growth.
    • Learn about the importance of trust and mutual respect in a mentoring relationship.
  2. Embracing Fear and Doubt:
    • Hear Elama's candid reflections on navigating fear, doubt, and judgment.
    • Understand how embracing these challenges can lead to deeper self-awareness and resilience.
  3. Spiritual Awakening and Transformation:
    • Gain insights into Elama's journey from a career in high-tech to becoming a healer and teacher.
    • Explore the experiences and practices that facilitated his spiritual awakening.
  4. The Importance of Authenticity:
    • Learn about the significance of living authentically and finding your true path.
    • Hear practical advice on how to align your life with your inner truth.

Final Thoughts

This episode is a beautiful reminder of the transformative power of authentic connections and spiritual guidance. Whether you're on a personal journey of self-discovery or seeking to deepen your understanding of spiritual practices, this conversation with Elama offers valuable insights and inspiration.

Thank you for tuning in to this heartfelt episode. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review The Calling on your favourite podcast platform. Until next time, stay blessed and keep exploring your path with love and light.

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The Calling EP32

[00:00:00] Homaya: Hello and blessings, beautiful people. I am here today with a person that is so deep in my heart, that I appreciate, love, that I had the privilege, the honor, 

[00:00:14] Elama: the

[00:00:15] Elama: The gift of escorting 

[00:00:19] Homaya: in my life for such a long and beautiful period of time. Elama, welcome. 

[00:00:26] Elama: Thank you. Such a pleasure to be here. It's moving me. I've been with you for a long time. Welcome. 12 years, 12 years with you. Yes. And so today, as I was tuning in, I was actually remembering clearly that in the First, the very first days we met, you announced me my path.

[00:01:00] Elama: Did I? But maybe you don't remember. 

[00:01:04] Homaya: No, I don't. 

[00:01:06] Elama: So I have an image of that room. So I suppose it was not light language level one, but I guess it was level two. And I clearly remember you were passing among the students. And speaking to each of us, and when you came to me, we talked a bit about some things about the class.

[00:01:28] Elama: And you said, no, your path is that of a healer and a teacher.

[00:01:33] Elama: I remember. And for me, it was a surprise. I was not expecting that at all. Although I was it was one of my first classes of, shamanism and energy work, it was surprising, but I remember that I took it very seriously. 

[00:01:52] Homaya: There's no other choice.

[00:01:53] Homaya: I wouldn't say it if I wouldn't see it. But then I feel that it is also important for the audience who do not know you, to understand that at that stage of your life, you were far from being a healer, right? You had the education of management and marketing. Am I right? Yeah. Yes. Then you were working in a, tell us a little bit, what was your life at that period of time?

[00:02:22] Elama: Yeah, I was living in Israel. I was in a high tech company, which was actually a gambling company. Actually I had left that and I was feeling that I need to just go and explore the world and to leave everything. So I think I sold and left everything that I had to off my shoulders. Yeah. Take away the weight and I started my journey.

[00:02:54] Elama: As I do always when I leave my home, I visit my family. So it was in France and you were teaching there. And basically I had left. I wanted to leave that world because it felt like it's fake. I cannot be myself. I was looking for a way to be authentic. It was about two years or one year after an energetic awakening, which was very much about the third eye.

[00:03:20] Elama: When I met a psychic in his presence, I felt clearly my third eye, which I didn't know what it was, awakening. Like I started to perceive life differently. Over day, not even overnight. It's after the meeting I remember walking in the market and just feeling Oh my God, reality is very different and something happening.

[00:03:44] Elama: Yeah. That awakening. And so it took me to the world of energies. I was eager to explore all of that. Before that, I was very much interested in anything esoteric, religions, traditions, philosophies, but not energies. I was suspecting that there was something that the world is not working in a way that is mechanical but I didn't know the minutia.

[00:04:14] Elama: So this is where I was led to, to contribute, participate, find my own minutia in the workings of the quantumness, let's say. 

[00:04:27] Homaya: Yeah. And then you started coming to the classes, one class here, one class there. 

[00:04:34] Homaya: And then you dived with 

[00:04:37] Homaya: me. At that time I was doing this class, which is 28 days, no phone.

[00:04:43] Elama: 21. You mean 21, right? 

[00:04:46] Homaya: It was 21. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:04:49] Elama: The next year I came to the divine intervention classes.

 

[00:04:53] Homaya: 21 days and I remember that one of the things that really shook your world is that you had no idea what is going on. There was no idea what will happen the next minute, the next hour, the next day.

[00:05:08] Homaya: What are we gonna do? We gonna eat metal? We gonna walk on glasses? We gonna dive into the deepest shadow? We gonna channel energies? I remember that was shaking you. 

[00:05:24] Elama: I was very much, yeah, I was very well taken care of by a special mother called Fear, I think.

[00:05:36] Elama: Yeah, I was really in a bubble of fear.

[00:05:41] Homaya: Yeah, remember you sitting in the class and being there and not there, At the same time, like you were there, you wanted to be there, your eyes were there, you were like examining everything in the room, but then it's almost like you were reserved and you kept yourself 

[00:06:08] Homaya: as the observer, however, you got all the codes, like the initiation happened.

[00:06:16] Elama: It's quite true. It's not the only situation in my life, as you probably know. That this happened to me, that I received something powerful and I feel I'm like the observer, powerless, like I have no control. This is the feeling, but I do get it. I do take it. 

[00:06:35] Homaya: Of course you take it. And then you kept on going and going.

[00:06:39] Homaya: Yeah, you 

[00:06:40] Homaya: were. And I feel that it is important, it's important to share and bring that voice because there are people who are diving into this world of healing, energetic healing, shamanism, universal laws, quantum, etc. And there is an expectation that once they enter the space, they will be swimming in it as They were always there.

[00:07:09] Homaya: And some people who do not feel it, they choose to walk with a doubt or to be kept with this blanket of fear and separation and allow themselves to disconnect. And I feel that one of the amazing things in your journey is that 

[00:07:30] Homaya: doubts and fear and judgment,

[00:07:35] Homaya: they do not stop, but you didn't let them stop you.

[00:07:40] Elama: Yeah, so you're talking about all the tools of the mind, right? 

[00:07:44] Homaya: Yeah. 

[00:07:46] Elama: That, yes, indeed. That's a very good point because in my journey and from a long time, maybe since my childhood, I have always felt that I'm guided, that there is that North Star. No matter what, there is a force that

[00:08:07] Elama: is leading me, and even sometimes I felt it's not fair. That I have that and maybe others don't have. That was my perception, but I always had that sense of faith and a lot of doubts at the same time. Yeah. That's the ambivalence.

[00:08:30] Elama: One, how do you call in English you say a step stone? One major, yeah. Maybe the most important stepping stone in my life is when. I was 11 11 years old. My parents got divorced and my father told me. You're with me or against me. In other words, you have to choose your father or your mother. That was a stepping stone because I feel that what I'm saying now is the same because it is bringing a split, of course, yeah, within me at that age.

[00:09:12] Elama: And at the same time, it was the best gift because I know I came into this world to unite.

[00:09:20] Elama: And because we live in a world of duality. I needed to be split to reunite. Yeah.

[00:09:29] Elama: And so trust and faith have always been in that sense. In the center of my Life center topic in my life today. I'm still teaching. I'm teaching this class these days about trusting and the topic of fear for my students is coming

[00:09:48] Elama: and the way you work with it, your anxiety to the level. To the level that. we talking about for me before. 

[00:09:55] Homaya: Yeah. So in the years that we work together, I have seen you and witnessed you going through those waves of anxiety, waves of fear, waves of doubt, waves of judgment. And every time coming back again to your center, to the wholeness, to oneness, to a greater level of wisdom, even more aligned, Brighter, clearer, and in your life the ripple effect of magnetism, trust, connection, relationship.

[00:10:32] Homaya: And you came so many times saying to me, wow, I had this issue. I've never thought that I will resolve it. And now it is gone. And now it is gone. 

[00:10:45] Elama: I probably added, you are amazing.

[00:10:48] Homaya: Thank you. 

[00:10:49] Elama: It's really a 

[00:10:50] Elama: partnership. 

[00:10:52] Elama: Yeah. 

[00:10:52] Elama: It's the way I perceive the work we do together. We've been doing it. One on one, I think about five years, almost. Without interruption.

[00:11:03] Elama: And yeah, it has become, it has evolved and it has become this. Dance. I really feel that when we work together, it's a dance and well there we have built a lot of trust also together. Yeah. Where I know how you work, you know how I work and so we work together. 

[00:11:26] Homaya: Yeah. I don't know if you remember, but I remember when we just started working.

[00:11:33] Homaya: One-on-one together. You came to a class in Portugal and then you decided you're gonna start working with me One-on-one. And we were, you were already my student for six years before, right?

[00:11:44] Homaya: Yes. 

[00:11:45] Elama: You became a mother. I had not seen you for a few years. And when I saw you again in Portugal, you were a mother. Yeah. It was a very different person. 

[00:11:54] Homaya: Yeah. 

[00:11:55] Homaya: And I remember when we started our one on one work together, there were meetings that I would tell you, okay, that meeting

[00:12:03] Homaya: was more on the psychological realm. We need to go through that, almost explaining to myself and to my guides that we need to have a little bit more compassion because we're still a little bit in the mental aspect of it, still a little bit more psychological. But then, You evolved and evolved and have changed.

[00:12:23] Homaya: The entire 

[00:12:25] Homaya: dynamic have changed. And you 

[00:12:31] Homaya: accepted going through mental and emotional transformation 

[00:12:38] Homaya: with 

[00:12:38] Homaya: pure energetic transmission. That now you're saying, you know how I work, I know how you work, but when it started, there was no real idea. You couldn't really get, what is she's doing? Is it enough that we speak?

[00:12:57] Homaya: Is it enough that we have a 

[00:12:58] Homaya: communication? How would it affect me?

[00:13:02] Elama: Yeah, I had a lot of doubts. I was doubting a lot, questioning a lot, like, how does it work? Because I am, I'm like this, usually I like to know how things work. I was very much doubtful and I, yeah, it was in the way. It was working, but in a limited way. And also you evolve. 

[00:13:25] Homaya: Always. We all.

[00:13:26] Homaya: Yeah. Of course. 

[00:13:28] Elama: I'm still, I still, I'm still aware that when we work together today to a certain extent, I know what you're doing, but to a much greater extent, I don't know what you're doing. And this is important to be open to that, to know that. You are working with the frequencies, dimensions, and so many different complex energies that my mind cannot grasp.

[00:13:56] Elama: So being aware of that and letting just being open, right? 

[00:14:01] Homaya: Yeah. But if we look, for example, just on the last exchange that we had a few days ago you left me a message. I left you a message and it was so crazy because the word that I charged the most in the message was the word that you told me.

[00:14:21] Homaya: No, I'm not sure about that. And I told you go again, listen, contemplate. And as you, although doubting or you surrender into it, Pak, a portal opened. And of course, light unfolds in clarity. 

[00:14:37] Elama: Because I trust you, 

[00:14:40] Elama: because I've come to know you so well. The way you work that, that I trust that you know that what you're doing and that you say something, a specific word or phrase for very good reason.

[00:14:54] Elama: So I'm open to that. 

[00:14:55] Homaya: The trust came up because you have seen how things unfold, you have experienced your own transformation, you have experienced those aha, insight, insight, insight and portals and opening and the vastness of life and life within you. 

[00:15:14] Elama: It's empirical knowledge proves itself and this is how you can build more trust.

[00:15:20] Homaya: Yeah, I want to bring another aspect. A moment that I remember so 

[00:15:25] Homaya: clear. 

[00:15:27] Homaya: We already worked a few years together, and from completing the session, thinking to myself, okay, I was a little bit psychological. I was a little bit bent down, okay from that place.

[00:15:40] Homaya: I remember us 

[00:15:43] Homaya: one time having a conversation, an exchange of frequencies, exchange of energies, while I am traveling in the astral world, in the corridors of your soul, in the landscape of your being. And I don't recall exactly what was the topic, but I remember that I said something and then You gave me back a reflection 

[00:16:10] Homaya: and I said, give me a moment

[00:16:14] Homaya: because you brought a vision that was something I couldn't grasp 

[00:16:20] Homaya: before. And when I said that, give

[00:16:25] Homaya: me a moment, I said to myself, I've created a master. Because if there, if my own student is reflecting back something as we are walking in the landscape of life, and he's reflecting a certain motion, a certain tendency, and I need a moment to grasp it, I was like, okay. It was a moment that I felt so proud.

[00:16:54] Homaya: So proud of you, so proud of myself, so proud of the walk that we are walking, so proud of the of the work itself. And many times when we meet together and we converse and we exchange and do the work in our session, it's like playing for me. It's like checkmate. Okay. I do a move. Let's see what, what will happen.

[00:17:16] Homaya: And then you're doing a move and then I'm doing a move. 

[00:17:19] Elama: Check chess. You're talking about chess. Yeah. I understand what you mean, but it's, it less speaks to me because in chess that you play to win. And there is a loser. Yeah. There's no winner and loser. We both, we always winning. 

[00:17:39] Homaya: Yeah. Yeah. . We don't play to win or we don't play to lose. 

[00:17:45] Homaya: It's the play for the sake of the play. 

[00:17:47] Elama: Yeah, there is a place, a field where we feel. infuse each of us, infuse the field with more and it creates portals, access to knowledge and wisdom and brings more questions. And it's really it's amazing how two people can create that that thing.

[00:18:10] Elama: Yeah, this like this access. So I'm like, wow, if it can work to people, let's try more. Yeah. 

[00:18:20] Homaya: And there was one time you were saying to me after one of the sessions, something happened in reality. I don't remember if more client came in or something I've shifted, you experienced something differently. I don't remember what was the impact.

[00:18:37] Homaya: And you told me It's now opening, and I told you, you are open. You are open, you are free. And as you're open and you're free, your dynamic with the unknown and with the known is changing. And this is the magic. Because so many times people are coming to work one on one with me, or even to learn.

[00:19:05] Homaya: And they come from a very Western attitude of an act and a result and a problem that needs to be solved and a complexity that needs to be clear or a burden that needs to be released, which all of that is happening, but it is not happening because this is what we're doing. What we're doing is that we are expanding and playing in a field of openness and infinity and awareness and joy and clarity.

[00:19:43] Elama: Yes, because part of the work we do together, I feel that's very essential is we do. We do not give power to limitations, that's a parameter that we have together, that we don't want to feed that, we don't want to focus on that, and so we're just excited like children of play, about playing and opening spaces, and it's like we're traveling in the cosmos and it feels this planet is is a village.

[00:20:09] Elama: Yeah, that's the image I have, okay, it's nice to travel the world, but it's a village. What I can say about now where we are in the way we work together is that when we exchange voice messages, when we are not in sessions, I feel that many times I leave you a message about, let's say an issue, something I want to work on, and you don't even answer me and it's already shifting.

[00:20:41] Homaya: Things are happening, many of the things for us are happening in night school, in the astral realm, in the above and beyond, right? Not only happening here, this is where we work. We work there, where the antennas are just getting the signals, and we touch those places, and we play in those places, and then it renders itself into reality, into the 3D experience, but it is, this is where we play.

[00:21:06] Homaya: And that, it's okay, you leave me a message mentally, but energetically, you already left me a message before you recorded it, even. You already spoke with me in your head, you already spoke with me in your heart, and I already, this is one of the things that is really important to understand, that there is a level in mentorship where you live together with your client.

[00:21:28] Homaya: Energetically, you are carrying your client, you're carrying his life, you're carrying his business, you're carrying his relationship. And it's not that I'm carrying it because it's, like a burden on my shoulder or that I am grammatically involved. On a contrary, I'm making sure that I'm not grammatically involved, but it's almost like I am the crystal that you hold in your head or that you have in your room.

[00:21:51] Homaya: I am the placenta. If we go again to motherhood, I am the placenta that is part of your. of your evolution. I'm like a guardian angel. And I do feel that this is mutual. I do feel that you are also my guardian angels, although you are my client. It's very mutual experience, but we are having different roles, we can say.

[00:22:14] Homaya: As we are going through that. 

[00:22:17] Elama: Yes. And it's so inspiring because I, a lot of, one of the things I do and I take from this work we do together is I copy paste. It doesn't mean I do the same. I use, I pick up energetically the way you do things to do the same with my clients. 

[00:22:40] Homaya: Yeah, but this is, this is the magic of having a mentor and a mentorship is that it will always be you.

[00:22:49] Homaya: It cannot be me. But as it is an aura to aura transmission, then what resonate with your signature, with your specific blueprint, who you are, what you are, what resonate, which any case it resonates, because if not, you wouldn't have worked with me. But what resonates starts to become yours and you start to play with it and you start to have it in your own version, in your own way, in your, like, how can I explain to someone that I can stand next to you and teach you how to breathe air and move someone else into half trans state?

[00:23:30] Homaya: There's no way to explain it apart of it is happening aura to aura. In the higher of the higher realm, we create a certain connection that it is as fruitful, as alive as dynamic, as beautiful, as loving as it is on this physical plan. And it's almost as I am giving you a book, but you get that in the astral and as you get that book in the, you can read that book to the people around you because you got it.

[00:23:58] Homaya: You got it in your version, but you got it and you know how to live with it. And it needs, yeah, it needs some level of trust in the unseen, like advanced level of trust in the unseen. 

[00:24:13] Elama: So what I feel over time has made the difference to get to that level. Is indeed the leadership, the ownership of my life because for a certain period in my work with you, I was waiting for validation from outside permission, validation.

[00:24:36] Elama: And so in that case, you are always limited by a certain idea of the hierarchy between your mentor and yourself and therefore with your students, but the secret is to work in a, it's not even horizontal, right? It's in a circle. 

[00:24:57] Homaya: Reciprocity. A dance. 

[00:24:58] Elama: It's this. 

[00:25:00] Homaya: Yeah. 

[00:25:00] Elama: Yeah. This circle that has no beginning and no end.

[00:25:03] Elama: And for me, it's the ocean. Yeah. At the end we are in the same ocean and we have one field. The same one. That's the secret, right? That we are one. 

[00:25:14] Homaya: Yeah. I remember that I said to one of, one of my students one time that he asked me a question around that. And I told him, we are two fingers on the same hand.

[00:25:26] Homaya: Two fingers. And this is the art, indeed, to be able to see that, and to feel that, and to experience that, and to live like that, and to lead like that, and to come to mentorship like that. 

[00:25:40] Elama: It's a big, it's a big healing. It's a big healing, which gives the real freedom. Sure. But for me, even when you talk about two fingers, even though it's the same hand, it feels too separated.

[00:25:55] Homaya: Yeah. 

[00:25:56] Elama: For me, it feels that the alchemy happening is yeah it's this kind of dance. Yeah, yeah, maybe they dance together, the fingers, but it feels really that there is an access to, okay, we, we really want, it's the word Namaste. 

[00:26:14] Homaya: Yeah. Yeah. When I relate to the two figures at the same hand, it's like on the physical plan, there are two images now.

[00:26:23] Homaya: On the physical plan, there is your physical body and my physical body, but however, it's just the tip of the toe because we're, we are completely one. Yeah. 

[00:26:34] Elama: It's two projections from the same source. Exactly. The two, yeah. 

[00:26:41] Homaya: Two and infinite projections from the same source, which is an infinite source.

[00:26:47] Elama: Yeah.

[00:26:48] Elama: It has been an exponential journey because now these days I feel like it's like sometimes just 10 seconds message and you answer me and it's already like a big, it can be a big thing in my life, an issue that's already shifting. Remember a concrete example When I was starting to teach and it's online, so I need to record myself and I was so uncomfortable with the camera and I was like, Oh my, it's not working. I don't know what to do. Something like that. And you gave me that code. You watch the eye of the camera, something like that, right?

[00:27:28] Elama: Because when I was recording myself, I used to, before that, I used to just watch the screen and see myself. And that code was containing so much that I cannot understand. But for me, it's a very good example of the work we do together, because I was like, Oh, maybe some people in order to be comfortable recording themselves or speaking in public, would go to a class maybe that would be six months or I don't know, would work on it.

[00:28:03] Elama: And this code was timeless, right? It took time to be integrated into work, but it was a short time anyway in linear time. And this is very representative, I think, of the work we, we do. We shifted just with one code. 

[00:28:21] Homaya: Yeah. And many times, the codes are not complex when you hear them. Like when I hear them now, when I hear this code now, I'm like saying to myself, some people might listen to that and underestimate.

[00:28:36] Homaya: However, those are not the words, although the words have a lot of meaning. It is the energetic charge. that is connected to this transmission that can enter your field and restructure and re pattern a certain paradigm, release it and re organize, reorganize the structure, reorganize the geometry. And I feel that this is the magic.

[00:29:05] Homaya: I also want to highlight, it's the magic. It's the best magic. 

[00:29:09] Elama: The words are The carriers, right? The carry something. Yeah. So we use words to carry something as a tool, right? Yeah. For frequencies, also for dimension.

[00:29:23] Homaya: I also wanna highlight, the fact that 

[00:29:25] Homaya: we are, we're working together for so long, and I know that I have this struggle with me when I was. When I was with my, when I was with my teachers and when I am with my mentor now, it's like for a long period of time, a year after year evolving together.

[00:29:49] Homaya: And that there's such a rush in the world for people to achieve and conquer and get this milestone and get this breakthrough and 

[00:30:00] Homaya: get, and get. This restfulness. 

[00:30:05] Elama: That brings always stress. There's no room for playing, for enjoying, right? 

[00:30:11] Homaya: Yeah, resting into, okay, this is a place that I feel that I can cultivate my depth, that I can feel at home in this mentorship, in this relationship.

[00:30:25] Homaya: I can feel at home. I can go deeper and deeper within me. And I know that many times in your life, you were doubting, right? Many times in your life, you were doubting how deep you could go in a certain relationship and how deep you can go with your own world, right? With your own inner work with yourself.

[00:30:48] Homaya: There were a time where you felt, Oh no, I'm not advancing. I'm not getting nowhere. I just arrived into a glass passage.

[00:30:56] Elama: Yeah, 

[00:30:56] Elama: I was even making jokes with you at some point at the end of, at the end of his session. I was telling you, Homaya, do you think something happened in this session? 

[00:31:08] Homaya: Remember those days? 

[00:31:10] Elama: I think playfulness and humor is really helping. When you don't take things too seriously, it really helps to ease the integration, the process, the transformation.

[00:31:23] Homaya: Yeah, possibility to look at yourself and to say, okay something happened now, it's not the same thing. 

[00:31:29] Elama: Yes, there was something I wanted to say just before. 

[00:31:32] Homaya: Go ahead. 

[00:31:33] Elama: For the audience, for the people listening or watching that the right mentor comes to you, right?

[00:31:41] Homaya: Yes. So strong. 

[00:31:43] Elama: I didn't look for you. 

[00:31:45] Homaya: Yeah, 

[00:31:47] Elama: If I look mentally, you really have all the, all that I need. To learn from. For all the areas of my life, you're able, you have the experience to guide you. 

[00:32:03] Homaya: Yes, but I'm not sure that I need the experience that I had in my life to guide you.

[00:32:09] Homaya: It might, for some people, seems that, okay, here are some links in connection because she embodied that in her life, right? She have her business, she lead herself, she've done the journey, she's still practicing her, she's walking her talk, she's got, she got married, she have a child, she moved to another country, like all of my story.

[00:32:33] Homaya: But I feel, do you know how many conversations, how many sessions we started by having something? And I told you, just let's pick a door, just pick a door. There could be so many ways to tell the story. How many sessions you came sometimes overloaded and you told me, Oh, I have so many things to share.

[00:32:52] Homaya: So many things happened and that, I would look at everything, look at all the long list of books that you throw away. And I would tell you, yeah, but actually it's. One thing, you're just experiencing it in different phenomenas, going back to the two fingers on the same hand, right? It's just this phenomena, but there's one thing that you're dealing 

[00:33:14] Homaya: with.

[00:33:15] Elama: It's the same principle that in your body, each cell contains the whole body. You need to enter through one door and it's enough. But yes, the mind wants to make an inventory of everything and that's in the way of growth because you get attached to solving a number of things. And you attach and you're like, you make a list and you're like this, okay, we managed to do this and this is what's left.

[00:33:47] Elama: And then there's more coming, of course. 

[00:33:50] Elama: Yeah. Yeah. And this is so funny. I cannot avoid laughing because you can come to your mentor and tell them, Oh, I have this one and this one. So then you can go into the story of one thing and start to resolve this thing. And it's going to take that and that sessions and that year.

[00:34:09] Elama: While actually, if you look at all the things together and you are willing to stay open in, in the medicine, there's one, one string that needs to be pushed or pulled. And just like everything is,

[00:34:25] Elama: they change. Everything 

[00:34:26] Elama: resolved. Yeah. And this is the magic. 

[00:34:29] Elama: They change the whole, all the, yeah, all the aspects.

[00:34:32] Elama: Yeah. Okay. For reality changed. Yes. Yes. Yeah, this is what I wanted to share. That was important. 

[00:34:43] Elama: I feel that is also important for me to highlight how beautifully you were leading yourself with such a deep connection to yourself, to your truth, to the way that you wanna do that. And like that there's something so beautiful in our mentorship.

[00:35:02] Elama: There is sometimes that I would suggest, okay, to tap into this topic. We need to go from that door. And you would say no, this door. No, not for me. And I was like okay, no problem. Let's go from that door. Pick the door, pick through where you want to go. You have everything. You have all that you need to resolve your own issues and liberate yourself from your own illusion.

[00:35:27] Elama: And I feel the privilege and the joy just to witness how you do that and give you, just a little finger here, just a little, 

[00:35:35] Elama: maybe that, Maybe this? Yes. And then leading 

[00:35:41] Elama: yourself to teaching and to having groups, to having your own clients. You were, you didn't believe even that you can earn money from offering healing to people.

[00:35:53] Elama: Now you teach your own wisdom, 

[00:35:56] Elama: the wisdom that is passing through you.

[00:35:59] Elama: Yes. All of that I went through. And sometimes healing can take long time, very long time, years for one small thing. And sometime a big thing can be transformed in one second. Yeah.

[00:36:18] Elama: My God, I love you so much. Thank you so much. I love you. 

[00:36:22] Homaya: It's amazing to play with you, to dance with you, to evolve with you, to witness you. I love your magic. I love your wisdom. I love your depth. I love your authenticity and honesty and devotion and the fact that you really melt 

[00:36:40] Elama: your limitations.

[00:36:41] Elama: Again and again. It's remarkable to witness.

[00:36:45] Elama: Yeah, and can I make a I'm going to say in advance that it's a joke.

[00:36:52] Elama: Do you think that we have a soul contract? 

[00:36:55] Homaya: A beautiful chapter in our soul culture. 

[00:36:58] Elama: Yes, truly. When I, yeah, like when I live these things in the present, especially these days, like all the magic that happens. I sometimes I take a distance, and I'm like, wow, would you have, would you ever have

[00:37:15] Elama: hoped for such a beautiful partnership in your, for your evolution? No. Yeah. People are not thinking about it.

[00:37:27] Homaya: People are not thinking about it, about how important it is to be with a mentor that you love and how important it is to be with a client that you love, that, that really, there is an investment in the connection.

[00:37:40] Elama: Yes. Yeah, we're so blessed. Through trust and responsibility. Yeah. Sovereignty ain't going to take 

[00:37:50] Homaya: your thing, anything. No, it's I need, I really need to add this chapter because I feel that it is really important. Many times people are coming to mentorship with an idea that they want to have something that the mentor is having.

[00:38:06] Homaya: And that the entire dynamic in the mentorship. 

[00:38:09] Elama: You mean they forget themselves. 

[00:38:11] Homaya: Yeah, they think that this mentor has something that they want and they go to the mentorship from that place. And then even if the mentor have something, yeah, if the mentor have something that you want, he wouldn't be able to give it to you because you're not there.

[00:38:28] Homaya: You're not there. If you think that this mentor have something, but coming into the mentorship really in a place of walking together and having life together, because there is a communion. There's a real partnership. There is a real connection. There's, there is a real seeing that is the gift. 

[00:38:49] Elama: And recognition.

[00:38:51] Elama: Mutual recognition that each one is singular and there is respect for each other. Yeah. For that. This is the most important. On the spiritual 

[00:39:04] Homaya: path, on the spiritual path, on the path of sovereignty. No one wants your center. No one wants your crown. There is no mentor, no good mentor, no good healer, no good teacher that is interested in someone else's crown or power or whatever.

[00:39:28] Homaya: There are so many students that are projecting so many things upon the teacher or the mentor

[00:39:37] Homaya: and by that they are not realizing that they just give their power away. No one 

[00:39:41] Elama: interested in someone else's power. Maybe

[00:39:45] Elama: the psyche, they have the belief that if there's no superiority and inferiority, then it cannot work. And the teacher is not enough. This is the old paradigm, right? That we're moving away from far, even in the business world, you can see it's starting to be like that. Like the hierarchy is becoming very different.

[00:40:11] Elama: We work together.

[00:40:13] Homaya: We can continue on and on. I love you so much. Thank you for showing up here. Thank you for being a model and inspiration. Thank you for also exposing yourself to my audience and letting people feel and sense a little bit how it is to work with me and whatever we have. Exchange here is just the tip of a toe of this beautiful dancing game that we love playing together.

[00:40:38] Homaya: I love you I'm, so so lucky. I'm so lucky to have you 

[00:40:43] Elama: well, and thank you so much for having me and bringing my Presence to your podcast. I'm very inspired. One day I will have my 

[00:40:52] Homaya: podcast. I'm looking forward. 

[00:40:56] Elama: Yeah.

[00:40:57] Elama: Thank you. Let's make sure my , 

[00:40:59] Homaya: yes. Love you. 

[00:41:00] Elama: Bye bye.