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022 Alchemy of Consciousness: Channeling and Thriving as Divine Wisdom featuring Karen McMullen

• Homaya / Karen McMellen • Season 1 • Episode 23

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Welcome to The Calling podcast! I'm thrilled to have you join us for another enlightening episode where we explore the depths of spirituality and connect with divine wisdom. I'm your host, Homaya, and today, alongside the wonderful Karen McMullen, we'll embark on a journey of self-discovery and spiritual enlightenment.

Summary:
In this insightful conversation, Karen and I delve into the profound realm of spiritual connections and divine messages. We share personal anecdotes, techniques, and reflections on channelling higher energies and embracing spiritual guidance. From meditation practices to navigating challenges on our spiritual paths, we uncover the transformative power of aligning with divine wisdom and embracing our spiritual journey.

Key Takeaways:

  1. Embracing Spiritual Connections: Discover the beauty of connecting with higher energies and the significance of embracing spirituality in our lives.
  2. Channeling Divine Messages: Explore the transformative process of channelling divine messages and the importance of openness and trust in receiving spiritual guidance.
  3. Techniques for Spiritual Connection: Learn practical techniques such as meditation and breathwork for accessing spiritual wisdom and cultivating inner peace.
  4. Navigating Challenges: Gain insights into navigating challenges and doubts on your spiritual path, and the importance of self-awareness and discernment.
  5. Sharing Spiritual Wisdom: Understand the privilege and responsibility of sharing spiritual wisdom with others, and the profound impact it can have on personal growth and healing.

Join us on this enriching journey as we unlock the doors to spiritual wisdom and embrace the transformative power of divine guidance.

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The Calling EP22
[00:00:00] Homaya: Blessings, beautiful people. Welcome. Welcome. Today we're welcoming Karen McMullen, my beautiful dear friend, who is a channeler, an author, a specialist in human design, a dancer, a great friend, a deep person, an author of Alchemy of Consciousness, and Soon to be an author of, let me see if I remember the name.

[00:00:32] Karen McMullen: Don't say the name. 

[00:00:34] Homaya: ,I do remember the second part of it, right?
[00:00:38] Karen McMullen: still a secret.
[00:00:40] Homaya: I should not say the name. Oh, this is why it is being erased.
[00:00:43] Homaya: I'm not telling you. It is a secret, I cannot tell you, but who knows, maybe in a year from now we're gonna get you here again with a new book. Karen, blessings, thank you for being here. I am so happy to have you and to have this conversation available for other people to see how we chit chat Long the day 

[00:01:06] Karen McMullen: Oh, this is such an honor.

[00:01:07] Karen McMullen: I'm so grateful to be here with you and with everybody who's listening. 

[00:01:12] Karen McMullen: Beautiful. So my original intention that made me feel this strong pull to bring you in is because of the book and because of something that was really powerful for me when I was tuning into the book where you've described and you shared that.

[00:01:33] Karen McMullen: You heard the voice, you heard the calling, and it was not a calling, so many people are thinking, oh, the calling one day will wake you up and tell you, you should do that and that. Although this calling in some way gave you the words, but the awakening that came from this calling was not do that and that.

[00:01:56] Karen McMullen: So you heard the calling, you heard the voice, Would you like to share? 

[00:02:02] Karen McMullen: Yeah, I would. It was a truly mystical experience and yet the years building up to that moment were a progression. So I was being prepared for that moment. And so in a way it was. It was natural. And at the time I was living in Mexico and I had given up my six figure coaching business several years prior.

[00:02:31] Karen McMullen: And I had been seeking enlightenment and I was dancing salsa and I was meditating a lot. And I was actually in a relationship at the time. At the time with a, like a dramatic Latin codependent alcoholic boyfriend relationship. And I woke up at 4am, which was not uncommon for me to get up and meditate and light a candle and sit with some incense and be in the quiet morning hours and tune in with I am presence.

[00:03:06] Karen McMullen: And that is. You know what I was doing and I heard a voice dictating text and it wasn't my own voice and it was a little bit biblical sounding and I'm, I don't have a religious upbringing, so, it was unusual and I just started to write what the voice was saying. And this continued every few mornings for four months.

[00:03:36] Karen McMullen: And the voice, provided me a lot of important lessons, curriculum that I needed at that time to, to leave that relationship and to strengthen myself and to get aligned. And so the messages are quite varied in that book and each one is its own standalone message. And I think What I take from that about your message about the calling is, I think one of the things that I had been cultivating prior to that was devotion and discipline to actually following through on the guidance that I was receiving from spirit, from God, and because there can be an inclination to be in your own private life and to think, Oh, here I am like sitting, I'm sitting in a hot and sweaty little apartment in Mexico and I'm making less than a thousand dollars a month.

[00:04:42] Karen McMullen: And I'm just some girl in a bad relationship writing down rantings from her mind at 4am, like to devalue. What is coming through? And it was actually by sharing, I wrote the book and then I shared it with a friend who was a spiritual seeker slash teacher that I admired and respected.

[00:05:08] Karen McMullen: And I asked her, is there something objectively valuable here, or are these just rantings of a, a lady in the wee hours and she saw the value and she felt the transmission. And I was the one that validated that and, took a year of my life to have that published and put the resources into putting it into the world.

[00:05:30] Karen McMullen: And then upon completion of it, then began, a YouTube channel and began the long road of actually building an audience to share the message. So I feel like that's the part about the calling. That's not as. exciting or not as sexy. It's there's a lot of work that comes with it.

[00:05:52] Karen McMullen: And it's just pure, it's pure discipline and devotion. 

[00:05:57] Homaya: I echo with it. And I'm very happy that we can clear the stigma, the illusionary consensus that the mind really loved to promote that once you have the heat of enlightenment or you are being gifted by, a voice from heaven that dictates words to you and you are understanding the codes of the universe and the way that life unfolds, like once you have that, you have everything and you are free while The truth is like the Zen story where a Zen master was walking and someone was encountering him in his walk and the master was with a, an enlightened being was with the bag.

[00:06:50] Homaya: Do you know this story? With a bag on him and then the students, the passenger is asking, Wow, may I ask you a question? How does it feel? Enlightenment. The enlightened being is taking the burden and putting it aside and he says, like that. And then the passenger is asking him, wow, and how does it feel after enlightenment?

[00:07:19] Homaya: He's taking the bag, he's putting it on his shoulder and he says, like that.

[00:07:25] Homaya: Yes. Yeah, it takes me actually to one of our conversations that we had in the last retreat that we've met, right? Where I shared I cannot believe even that I'm going to record those words, that people will hear that. So emotional just sharing it, that the enlightenment experience that I had on my own journey was, One of the most beautiful things that ever happened in my life and at the same time,

[00:07:51] Homaya: It is, I cannot, I don't want to put a name on 

[00:07:54] Homaya: it, but it's freedom and it is demanding, very 

[00:08:00] Homaya: demanding. What I love about you, about your story, about the way that you are walking with that light, is that You're so light with it. I love that. I love that about you. I love the humanity, the human experience and the humanity that you are holding together, bringing into this life.

[00:08:28] Homaya: I love that you said, okay I was just being given a book, Alchemy of Consciousness. Boom boom. Yeah, I was just given a book, 

[00:08:41] Homaya: and I now need to parent this book. 

[00:08:47] Homaya: I gave birth to a book, I gave birth to knowledge, to wisdom, to beautiful message, but it need me to evolve, it need me to be spread in the world, it need me to be the mother of that, Give it the appropriate support, the nourishment, the education to take care of it, to find the path for it to flourish.

[00:09:14] Homaya: And you're still doing it. How many years passed since you wrote Alchemy of Consciousness? 

[00:09:20] Karen McMullen: I finished writing it in December of 2019. And it started earlier in 2019. So yeah, what you're saying is resonating so much because When I wrote the book, I was not an emissary of the message. I was the recipient of the message.

[00:09:42] Karen McMullen: I was the student of the message, but I was far from an embodiment of the message. And, The process that I've been undergoing in the last four years since then has been a becoming of being an emissary of the message. And it was interesting because when I first wrote it. Very few people were interested in reading it, even if they met me or, but as I've become more of an embodiment of the message, people, like even the man, cleaning and installing windows at my parents house was like, Oh, I want to read your book.

[00:10:24] Karen McMullen: Can I buy a copy? Because now the The, my presence is gradually aligning more and more with the wisdom in the book. 

[00:10:34] Karen McMullen: So I feel that alchemy of consciousness is Something I'm growing into as a, an emissary of that message. And that is probably not going to be really successful in the world until later, as I become more of the messenger of it.

[00:10:56] Karen McMullen: And one of the reasons why I say that is because it's been interesting to witness. Like I did channel a second book. Almost immediately after Alchemy of Consciousness. So while I was still writing the introduction for Alchemy of Consciousness in 2019, I immediately started channeling a second book. And the second book was really guiding me on how to become the emissary of light, how to become the one that is the messenger and to start the YouTube channel and to start finding the ways to distribute the light into the world.

[00:11:34] Karen McMullen: The, my, my unique signature of consciousness. So that book is near, near complete. It just needs an editor and it needs to go through that book creation process. So this summer I was attempting to get that book created and just meeting roadblocks, like meeting closed doors and doing everything in my power to complete it, but finding that it wasn't.

[00:12:04] Karen McMullen: It wasn't going forward. So on a practical level, that looked like getting quotes from publishing agencies and finding that it was just too. Much of an investment and I didn't have the funds for it. And then what ended up happening was that I entered a book proposal competition and won for a whole other book about human design and the YouTube channel I have, I started because of alchemy of consciousness.

[00:12:38] Karen McMullen: So I was sharing my channeled messages and human design and yet it's only really the human design that it's taken off. So it feels to me like what's wanted right now, what people are ready for is human design. And that's, that's where my journey began. That was where my awakening began.

[00:12:59] Karen McMullen: So it's following my own progression where I'm sharing the human design, but then as you align with your design, then that leads you naturally into alignment with the human. with God and alignment with God leads you naturally to evolving in your gifts, which leads you to become an emissary of light.

[00:13:18] Karen McMullen: So it's like I got the last chapter or I got the last part of the evolution first, and now I'm building up to it. 

[00:13:27] Homaya: Wow. Okay. That lands so powerfully. I want to share some things around it. It's so important. So I feel that again, in terms of breaking some Stories that we have, some paradigms that we are holding, that the world is ready for our gift and for our divine gift, and that things are linear.

[00:13:51] Homaya: While they are completely not linear. I feel that for me, I have this strong experience when I channeled windows to the universe, the fourth heaven, the 49 gates to the Temple of creation and so on, and I'm like looking at it, and for me it's wow, heaven, I cannot see anything. different than that.

[00:14:11] Homaya: And still breaking this message and delivering this message to the people, it feels Oh, wow. No. We still need to understand how do we go to do that thing? What do we need in order? We still need money, we still need relationship, we'll still need the ABC. Now, it's not that we don't, We do, we all do, but what is our capacity to really integrate that?

[00:14:37] Homaya: And so this is one reflection I want to give that I feel that is really important, that we allow ourselves to bring something, even if it is ahead of our time, even if it is ahead of everyone's time, bring it because it needs to be on the planet to integrate and to have some Incubators, I would say.

[00:14:58] Homaya: Incubator space that will keep on being that, that beauty, that, that grace environment for that seed to sprout and for that seed to grow. This is one thing that I feel that is so important. The second thing that I feel that is important is, The understanding. So it's I can tell you to listen to a song that I like very much.

[00:15:22] Homaya: And I'll tell you, Karen, listen, I just heard that song, it's amazing. And you might love me very much, might love music, and even might love this song, but you will hear the song and it wouldn't land. But if I will be in the space with you, and I play the song, even if it is recorded, it still needs the human consciousness, the organic flow in that space, at that moment, for you to get the vibe, for you to get the hype, for you to feel how it lends in your body.

[00:15:57] Homaya: So many people on the spiritual path are thinking, why consciousness needs me? Why God needs me? Why the angels need me? It's not about a need. No one needs no one. It's just, this is how it is. There is a right hand and left hand and we dance together and no one is asking, the right hand is not asking. Left hand, there's a co creation and there is there's a field that is being created. Oh my god, there's so much to say around it and so much to offer for the listeners and for us to be in peace as we are walking this 3D life experience and going through everything that is included, thinking that we're not needed, thinking that our voice is not important, just because there's still not a consensus around the world.

[00:16:51] Homaya: Around 15, 16 years ago, I was sitting, I was traveling Brazil. I was sitting with a friend of mine. I remember the day. I remember what I was wearing. I remember where we were sitting. I remember we were sitting one computer next to the other computer and he was programming. For Ra U Ra, he was programming the, yeah, he was programming the software to get everything out of his head so one can put his date and hour of birth and location and he get the full code of his, what manifester, like all of that.

[00:17:35] Homaya: He was sitting next to me. And I was writing light language grids, I was writing consciousness through light language and we were next one next to the other and he, he told me like, look what I'm doing and I asked some questions that I was interested in it, but I was interested in it to a certain extent.

[00:17:54] Homaya: And like you're saying, now the world is ripe. Now you say to someone human design and he's I'm going to learn it, I'm going to do it, I'm going to be with it, and so on. And even if the world do not respond to your creation, to what was channeled through you, even if the world will respond to this creation a hundred years from now, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40, 50, a hundred years from now, you're still chosen.

[00:18:24] Homaya: You're doing it for the grandchildren. You're doing it for the children. You're doing it for the next generation. You're doing it for your next incarnation. You're doing it for life, for evolution. It is so important to highlight that

[00:18:36] Homaya: and that nothing is covering the other, right? It's like your spiritual experience that is so evolved is not covering your human experience. It's

[00:18:48] Homaya: It's light upon light.

[00:18:51] Homaya: However, I do recommend for those who are listening, you can buy the book. Put that below your pillow if you cannot read that. 

[00:18:59] Karen McMullen: Yeah, the book, you don't even need to read it. You can just hold it and pick it up every so often. 

[00:19:05] Homaya: Yeah, it's also written in such a beautiful way that you can open up when you want a message, like a type of a tarot.

[00:19:10] Homaya: Open up when you want a message. Okay, I get you. Here's the download. Here's the teaching. And when you were working on your YouTube channel and the human design and so many things that you're doing on the practical aspect,

[00:19:27] Homaya: what was the inner conversation that you had with that voice, with that light, where you feel, are you feeling that you're still guided by it, do you feel that you have it's support? 

[00:19:40] Karen McMullen: Yeah, it's nowadays it's, I'm much more integrated. I don't even necessarily resonate so much with the word channeling as it feels more just like tuning into an aspect of myself where, I can be more identified as Karen and then I can, Zoom out and be more identified as God and allow that to speak.

[00:20:07] Karen McMullen: But I think part of the process has been to, because I, I went through that intensive experience of channeling those two books, but then the process, the second book is really about becoming a fully embodied frequency communicator and transmitter of light. As human in the here now and practical reality and deeply integrated as a person into society.

[00:20:40] Karen McMullen: 4 years ago, it was really a struggle for me to have a home that was clean with groceries in it and an income just like the. Even going to the grocery store in a modern society was difficult for me. Like they're just the logistics of everyday life was so challenging. That's why I escaped to Mexico and I was living such a simple life and preferred to just avoid all of that.

[00:21:10] Karen McMullen: And so a lot of the last years has been about. Becoming fully human and fully engaged in life and a practical level and learning how to do that while also being connected. So it's that integration and I can't remember what your question was. 

[00:21:37] Homaya: You are bringing it all so well. My question was, Do you still feel the presence of this divine part who gave you the channeling?

[00:21:46] Homaya: And you started by saying that, yeah I don't call it channeling anymore. It's just tuning into one aspect more or the other. And then you started channel. You just started channeling. Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, maybe it's, maybe it is really legit that we don't call it channeling.

[00:22:08] Homaya: But rather bringing forward and merging into a certain frequency and forgetting the self. Forget, although you were speaking about challenges, you forgot the self and you started bringing a certain frequency, which I felt that it was so important to share. 

[00:22:28] Karen McMullen: This is, I think one of the core things that I aim to embody because I believe, for example, prior to all of that, the book and everything, I had an ayahuasca journey where it was my first ayahuasca journey.

[00:22:46] Karen McMullen: And I, I can't remember if, yeah, I just tasted the ayahuasca. Like I hadn't even had it in me for a moment. And all of a sudden I've got this whole download about creating a palace of giving. For human design, it was called human design free school. And I saw like this internet, beautiful palace. I would just invite people in to come into this free place where they could just really learn all about their human design.

[00:23:18] Karen McMullen: So I got this whole idea that took about 30 minutes, probably. But then to actually do it, to create the branding, to film the videos, to buy the equipment, to film, to enroll the people in the course that I was going to then give for free, like all of that, that took a year of my life and a 30 minute download.

[00:23:42] Karen McMullen: So channeling. Is, who cares about channeling? Channeling is get the message. But then the human is the one that does the work for a lot longer. a lot. Yeah, a lot longer. . A lot longer. And I feel some humans get lost in the working of life and some humans get lost in the spiritual part and not the working.

[00:24:06] Karen McMullen: And so it's like the merging. is where the magic is. 

[00:24:12] Homaya: Yeah. And plus there is the exploration, which is part of the way, as you were speaking about the second book and how challenging, and I do remember because we were having several conversations when you were writing and channeling the second book, and At that time I wasn't feeling it, but now when I heard you speaking I said to myself, could it be that becoming the messenger of the second book is really taking the teachings and finding, exploring ways, maybe it's not a written content, because those written capsules are valuable and powerful, yet it could be for the message that it is lending in this era.

[00:25:02] Homaya: It could be that it needs to find another way. So when you are in the frequency of channeling, you're more receptacle, right? You're receiving, you are, we call it channeler, but you are actually a listener or a reader, right? You're the reader. Although you write, you read. And then the execution is where you become more active and proactive and creative And this is where you give, this is where you speak, and I wonder, as this is lending for you the second book, maybe it's not in a book.

[00:25:43] Homaya: Maybe it's a new era of books. Maybe those are just you speaking, 

[00:25:49] Karen McMullen: and just you channeling it like that. I did publish the book that way, chapter by chapter on my YouTube channel as episodes, because I felt like the transmissions, like just to give a practical sense of it, I would channel a message for that book.

[00:26:08] Karen McMullen: And when literally the next day, like two or three people would ask me a question and that would be the answer to the question. So it's like life is life indicates to you what's happening. So that was, I was like, Oh, this is not something I can wait to publish. Like I have to get this out and available.

[00:26:28] Karen McMullen: So I created, as I was getting the messages, I created videos for each one. But I did take those down recently because I felt like I wanted to clean up my YouTube channel just for Algorithm wise. And those videos weren't ever really very popular, so yeah, that's a curious thing. That's a curious notion.

[00:26:52] Karen McMullen: Yeah, 

[00:26:53] Homaya: and it's part of the exploration. It's part of finding the fruitful soil that can take it. And that can carry it. I also want to highlight something that I feel so strongly in your energy field that is important to this conversation, is this concept that, a very well known concept, I've heard it with great teachers and read it in different books, that an idea is searching for someone to carry it.

[00:27:29] Homaya: And if you're not carrying it, it will search and find another place. And I wonder what is your take around that?

[00:27:38] Homaya: I have,

[00:27:40] Homaya: I

[00:27:41] Karen McMullen: have different perspectives that come to me about that right away. I have actually a woman who accuses me of stealing her ideas. She's been, I think she's mentally ill because the way that she responds to that accusation is not, it's out of proportion, but in essence, I do feel like evolution has a, an impulse.

[00:28:07] Karen McMullen: It's, life is evolving in a certain way. And when you open yourself to be receptive to that information with a sincere heart of service, you become a conduit for that message. So that's why, many people can receive the same message at the same time, and they might even have the exact same words for that message, but even if they do.

[00:28:37] Karen McMullen: Each one of them is needed because each one of them is a unique conduit. Like some people need to hear the message from the girl with the curly hair, who dances salsa. And some people can't hear it from the girl with the curly hair that dances salsa. They need it from the pudgy guy in New York, who's trading stocks.

[00:29:00] Karen McMullen: And so like each one of us. Because we're uniquely configured in our essential self we transmit our message uniquely. And so I struggle with this whole world that we're in of everybody trademarking everything and. Because like, how can you own, how can you own words? I don't know it, at the same time, like I, for example, I have had students like love my book and then I see that they're publishing a masterclass with the same byline as my book title, like awaken to your true role in the grand reorganization.

[00:29:38] Karen McMullen: So when I see that, that feels a little off because. I know that person read my book and that they're like, it wasn't their direct revelation. I don't think. And, usually in that instance, I asked that person, Hey, if I have a sense that you probably read that in my book and that you're excited about the concept and then you're using my exact words, which doesn't feel right.

[00:30:02] Karen McMullen: I don't know how to, I don't know how to make sense of that. I think that's something. That, that I, I wonder about, but at the same time, I think when something resonates inside of you and you feel like it's alive in you and you feel like you want to speak it and you want to bring it in the world in some sort of expression, I would err on the side of following that impulse.

[00:30:29] Karen McMullen: And sharing. Because it's coming through you. So it's if it's coming through you, it's yours to share. 

[00:30:36] Homaya: Yeah. And it could be sometimes that it's yours to share for the next person who will write a book about that. I remember one of my students one time, she said, wow, I wrote, I wanted to write this book.

[00:30:50] Homaya: I wanted so much to write the book. I have a draft around it. And and. Then suddenly I see that and that person published a book about that. She took my idea. And I can, at that moment, I, I could feel her sorrow and I could feel her challenge. And at the same time, I said to her, yes but you could move in that rhythm.

[00:31:13] Homaya: She could move in that rhythm. Nothing makes her better than you or the idea more of her than yours. Why don't we look at it as that this is where evolution could get. then you're, if you're really serious about writing the book, you have even more ground because another person already exposed something around this topic.

[00:31:41] Karen McMullen: Exactly. When I feel like years ago I latched onto the idea that we each have a unique genius. Genius wasn't a word that was being used at that time. It was, No one talked about genius. So whenever I spoke about genius at that time, I had to explain it. I had to give a whole explanation to go with every single time.

[00:32:07] Karen McMullen: I just said the word and now it's widespread. It's like my discovery, your genius program. Doesn't sound that exciting. Like when I, but when I first created it like 15 years ago, that wasn't something people were talking about. 

[00:32:23] Homaya: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And together with that, there is still your signature, the way that it comes to you, the way that your genius, as you're describing it, your genius is your genius, and there's no way to copy it, to make something else out of it.

[00:32:43] Homaya: It's going to have the strength of the communion that you had with the Lord. with the light being of the higher realm who offer that to you and with the physical being of this realm who are longing to learn that from you. So it is a separation concept, I feel, that people can disappear or can, lose themselves in a negative way into how can I create control or should I control the creation instead of letting the creation pass through you.

[00:33:18] Homaya: And be really in peace, really completely in peace, that you are one in the divine plan. You're an essential part in the divine plane, of the divine plan, and it wouldn't be able to move without you, so bring it as it comes. 

[00:33:38] Karen McMullen: The piece that really feels hot to share with your particular audience from the second book that I was channeling was just that, I was shown Karen, you're, you are an emissary of light and you came here to have your light touch. Many other people. So it's just, it's a part of your purpose is to just share your frequency with thousands of people, to just have it touch them.

[00:34:15] Karen McMullen: And in order to do that, you really need to have an online presence and to do whatever it is in your power necessary, whether it's investing money or learning X, y, Z software or. platform, to master the ability to distribute your frequency around the world. And if you don't do that, you will never be happy.

[00:34:43] Karen McMullen: It was like, it wasn't like a threat, but it was more just a fact because. It's a light that doesn't get plugged into the socket or something, it's like you're built for a certain thing. And if you don't do that thing, you're not being used in the intended way, you're meant to be used.

[00:35:05] Karen McMullen: And so that is what. in an instant, literally. And if you want this, if you want this transformation, you can take it right now. You can just say, this is for me too. So I invite anyone listening to just take it, if it's for you, is the resistance I had to social media just literally went away in that moment, in that transmission.

[00:35:27] Karen McMullen: So there was the, before that, where I was living in obscurity and Mexico, not wanting to post anything. And then there was the after where I was enthusiastically engaged in a process of figuring out how to create a thriving social media presence and really getting my creativity out there into the world unabashedly without, without resistance.

[00:35:53] Karen McMullen: And that transformation happened in that transmission. So I felt I just wanted to really share that message. 

[00:36:03] Homaya: It's brilliant. It's a beautiful gift. And I love that you are describing it not as, like something, a threat or something also another way to see it. It's it's a prophecy. Your happiness is coming from a self fulfilling experience, bringing your divine nature into this world.

[00:36:22] Karen McMullen: Yeah. And it's such a different energy. I see people online trying to succeed and feeling it's a different energy because like I never had any doubt that my online presence would succeed. Even when the evidence wasn't there, like in the first year of posting videos on YouTube for, it was a, I, it took me over a year to reach a thousand subscribers.

[00:36:50] Karen McMullen: So posting videos every week, not a lot of evidence of success, but there was never a doubt that I was doing the thing that was the right thing to do. And that, when you have that certainty despite evidence it really changes the experience of creation.

[00:37:12] Homaya: And for the people who do not know you yet, it's, we're not in thousand people per year right now, right? Subscriber or YouTube, how much we 

[00:37:23] Karen McMullen: are having. I 

[00:37:23] Homaya: have 15, 

[00:37:24] Karen McMullen: 000 subscribers and about. Almost just under a thousand new views every day. I've done public speaking before and speaking to a room of a hundred people, it's a big room.

[00:37:36] Karen McMullen: So reaching a thousand people every day is is amazing. It's a miracle. Yeah.

[00:37:43] Homaya: My love, we're gonna bring this conversation to completion. It is a golden conversation. There's so much for people who are walking the path, the spiritual realm, the spiritual dimension, and living normal life here. So again, like every conversation that I have here, I highly recommend not only to listen to the world, the words, but really bring every bit of this download deeply into your body and your being.

[00:38:21] Homaya: Thank you. Thank you so much. This has been so pleasurable. Delightful.

[00:38:28] Homaya: I love you. I love you too.