In this episode of Adventure Diaries, host Chris Watson sits down with the extraordinary Danny Bent. Known for his infectious positivity and incredible adventures, Danny shares his journey from the corporate world to a life filled with epic explorations. From cycling 9,000 miles to India to organizing a relay across America in response to the Boston Marathon bombings, Danny's stories are a testament to the transformative power of adventure and community. Tune in as we explore how Danny finds happiness and builds community through his wild, awe-inspiring adventures.
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In this episode of Adventure Diaries, host Chris Watson sits down with the extraordinary Danny Bent. Known for his infectious positivity and incredible adventures, Danny shares his journey from the corporate world to a life filled with epic explorations. From cycling 9,000 miles to India to organizing a relay across America in response to the Boston Marathon bombings, Danny's stories are a testament to the transformative power of adventure and community. Tune in as we explore how Danny finds happiness and builds community through his wild, awe-inspiring adventures.
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Chris Watson (00:00.014)
Just being on the BBC Ultimate Hell Week at Special Forces trials where they take normal people and blitz them. And I thought, I actually thought that was going to change my life because people saw me every Sunday at crime time and I lasted the duration and one of the three people that lasted the duration. And that didn't change my life half as much as being voted one of the 100 happiest people. Big game where the people who were involved in that bombing came back to that finish line.
and they walked across that finish line themselves, whether it was with prosthetic limbs or whether it was in a wheelchair, obviously with a lot of PTSD. That's a place where they had been attacked and they returned there and they carried that baton with thousands of people behind them across that finish line and reclaimed it as their own. This for me was the most powerful thing about this trip actually. People who took part were second this time for me because...
Everyone at home, anyone spoke to about going to Tajikistan, we're running from the Afghan border to the Chinese border. Everyone is like, why would you want to do that? You're probably going to get taken hostage. Those people, you can't trust those people. That's sort of a kind of dialogue. And then what did we experience? The absolute polar opposite. Absolutely 100 % different and just kindness, love. Welcome to another episode of The Adventure Diaries.
Today we're joined by Danny Bent, an adventurer with an amazing positive personality. Having been voted one of the UK's most happiest people, Danny's adventures are as varied as they are inspiring. He's cycled over 15 ,000 kilometres to India, pogled across Togo and facilitated a trans -American running relay in response to the Boston Marathon bombings. Most recent expeditions include the Great Norse Run and the Great Silk Road Run.
which happened in remote locations across Tajikistan and Iceland and profoundly impacted those participants that joined Dani. Beyond those feats, Dani also founded Project Awesome, a fitness movement that incorporated community as well as wellbeing aspects. He's an award -winning author, a Guinness World Record holder and a figure whose pursuits intersect adventure and wellbeing. What an episode this is. So settle in.
Chris Watson (02:19.982)
and enjoy this fantastic conversation with Danny Bent. Danny Bent, welcome to the Adventure Diaries. How are you? I'm awesome, thanks for having me. It's great. Excellent, excellent. We're recording this in a miserable January afternoon where there's a storm raging outside and what better way to spend it with one of the happiest men in the UK, apparently.
Yeah, I mean, it's been battering the house. So we're just hoping that the listeners aren't getting kind of ravaged by it as we talk. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully we'll have to do a bit of post -production editing. So thanks, Danny, ever so much for giving us your time today. There's a lot of stuff I really want to unpack and really the frame of today is really to talk a little bit about your kind of early life and your introduction to running.
And you've gone through a bit of a career shifts, you know, so your kind of corporate career into that life of adventure. And then some of those adventures that you've undertaken, such as that epic cycle on a whim, I believe to India, some 15 ,000 kilometers, some of the work running across the US and then some of your charity work as well. And as I said in introduction, I want to pivot a little bit and talk about Tajikistan ahead. And I've got some reasons.
for that so Yeah, just over to you Danny Talk us through your early influences and how you picked up running before we move on into the adventures Yeah, and that's an easy one in that both my parents are pretty badass runners My mum still is at 71. She'd still give most of my mates a run for their money, but The You grow up and I like I actually thought that every mum and dad were doing it
that go out for a run and things like this. And so I'd go out when my dad went for a run. I was probably two years old. I'd hold my mom's hand and we'd do like 10 meter hill reps when my dad's doing 100 meter hill reps. And we'd turn around when dad turns around at the top and then turn around when he turns around to the bottom. And that was, you know, as a kid, you just assume that everything that's happening to, well, you're the center of the universe and you assume that everything happening to you is happening to everyone else. And so it was...
Chris Watson (04:39.662)
It was almost like breathing, eating, all those sorts of things. Very, very natural for me to get into running. And it's also been as like, and then as you get older, it was a great foundation for me playing a good level of rugby and different sports, kickboxing and all sorts of things. But then, you know, I came back to it when I was kind of probably after university really. And it's always been this amazing thing because my...
sisters and both run and my mum and dad obviously still running and it's been that connection as well that it gives you something to... I mean we have a great family life and Christmas is a right old laugh anyway but there's also that added kind of like wait are you going for a run today or you know how did you get on in that event that you were taking part in or normally it's my sisters or my mum they're winning trophies and bragging about them but yeah so...
That's been that journey. But running has been that foundation and the place. You kind of learn a lot, don't you? Whenever you start pushing yourself to limits, which I'm sure we'll get to with adventure, you learn such a lot about yourself, how you engage with other people, how you get engaged with this beautiful planet we're on. So it's just been a very natural. Yeah. Did you ever do competitive running or? Yeah. At all? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, most of my running has been competitive. Like even until last year, I was still running track a couple of times a week. And just, I think I just, I think really it was sadistic and I just liked the pain, but, but I know, I really, it was definitely 200 meters was, was my event anyway. But running 200 meters just takes a few, you know, 30 seconds max kind of thing.
when I was at my prime much less and it's just hardly worth going to something and spending your whole day to do 30 seconds of running. Whereas when you start getting into marathons, half marathons, things like this and I did a half decent level of triathlon and I just, I really, I mean, really for the listeners who don't know who I am, I'm just a dude that really loves life. And it's not, it's not about, I'm not an adventurer. I'm not a runner.
Chris Watson (07:04.11)
none of that stuff. I'm just like, I like everything and I like playing music and doing pottery and painting. I mean, shit, I like everything, but I just really enjoy doing everything. Yeah. So, so with that said, Danny, cause you think from my research and actually watched a couple of your talks, actually you done a talk at Google, which was fantastic. And you talked a little bit about your kind of career transition. So, so, you know,
What was that like then getting into like maybe like the corporate world and maybe not, you know, was that a kind of, was that a time in your life where you weren't as happy as maybe as you were now and you had to transition out of that for that reason? What was that? What was that shift like? Yes, that's, that's, I probably should have put that in, in, in italics at the end of that. I don't like everything in life. Like going into the corporate world, I got a maths degree. My mum and dad are both teachers and they said, before you become a teacher,
try something else. And a couple of the guys from my maths course were going into finance. And I applied to corporate finance because it is very interesting. I didn't really know how the world works. I didn't know all these amazing jobs you can do. I went into to do maths at uni because I was half decent at it. I was just so immature at that age that I had no idea that I was crafting the forever of your lifetime. Anyway, I went into corporate finance. It was very
found it very, very hard. Firstly, being told to be somewhere at, you know, nine o 'clock, eight o 'clock, whatever, whatever that was, and to sit at your desk still for an amount of time and do something that you didn't actually even really understand what it meant. You know, like I didn't even, it was just completely pointless in my eyes. And that, doing that eight hours a day, nine hours a day, 10 hours a day, and...
hindering all the other amazing things you can be doing I found very tough but unfortunately we live in this society and we you do need a little bit of money to pay your rent and to pay bills and to do cool stuff and even if it's running you still can't I know barefoot running is like crazy crazy popular and all that sort of stuff but you kind of need a pair of trainers you need some you need some gear and all that sort of stuff you just can't do that unless you're working and
Chris Watson (09:25.326)
But anyway, I only lasted, I think I lasted eight months, the first job I had, and then I went off traveling for a year because it was just, I just needed to escape from it. And I guess that combination, I came back, I'd do a little bit more, then I'd go off again. But in that, I found a love of travel and really a love of humanity because I don't really care whether I'm in the middle of Australia seeing Ayers Rock or whether I am...
in Singapore looking at all the kind of crazy big buildings. I just like, I want to know what it's like to be a person here and their interactions with me, this kind of strange ginger guy who's a little bit quirky. So I'm starting to waffle. Hopefully that answers your question. No, it does. Absolutely. So when you went traveling then, so the epic adventures I wanted to touch on is the cycle to India.
first of all, London to India, which seemed to be that you'd done that and a bit of a whim, which is pretty monumental. When did that happen? How young were you when you'd done that? I was about... I think I was 29 when I decided... about 30 when I did it. And I had kind of left the corporate world.
left the corporate world and I started teaching and teaching was brilliant. I loved hanging out with the kids. But again, there's all this bureaucracy and you have to fill out all these forms and you spend as much time, more time actually, doing paperwork than you do doing actual teaching and being with the kids, which was what I absolutely loved. And, but I was teaching them about this place called Chembakoli in India. It's a village that, where they...
they have to walk to school, they have to walk to get water for two and a half hours. School's about three hours away. And on these kind of trips, they might have to take the long route because there's tigers or there's elephants on the path and things like this. And I was like, the kids probably, I think, couldn't quite, I was teaching in Richmond in London, so they're like, it just doesn't, they couldn't understand it. Whereas for me, I was like, my goodness, this is a life that exists out there and I want to experience that. And...
Chris Watson (11:41.294)
The idea was that I'd go out there and teach at the school, which was an amazing opportunity. And I had had this itch to go and do a long cycle ride. That was every time I went traveling, I came back thinking, it would have been better if I'd been on my bicycle. And so there was already that within me, but the way my school, the kids were being educated in terms of trying to get them active and try and get them to cycle to school and...
scoot to school and bring their mum and dad. I used to do park run with them at the right early on years of Bushy Park park run, the first ever park run. And I used to take all the parents and all the kids down there and we'd go, we'll go for a run together and go for coffee after. And I could, I just, it was this little thing in me that I thought, I can't tell them I'm flying out there. I need to tell them I'm actually doing the same as them and I'm going to cycle to school basically. But it just happened that my school was 9 ,000 miles away.
What was, what was it? Did you do any sort of training for that then or were you, did you just get up and go? Yeah. So I was, I, I had probably, yeah, I, I, because I competed for Great Britain as a, an age group. So it's not nothing like the top level, never going to the Olympic type stuff, but it's, you know, it's a, yeah, it's a fairly decent level. And I used to cycle a lot. I loved cycling. It was a great way to go and get cake basically.
And so I was very strong at that point when I set off. I was much weaker when I got back because I hadn't been doing all that high intensity work that I normally would have done. You just got plodding along doing a hundred miles a day, hundred miles a day, but you've got all day to do it. So it was, it's a very different, all the guys I was competing with, they were really worried that I was going to come back super mega strong. I didn't, I came back a little bit, a little bit tubby actually by the end of it, because when I got there, I'd been so,
deprived of food that when I got to India, I just I couldn't stop. I wouldn't I wasn't tubby, but tubby for me is a normal. Normally I'm a bit skinny. There's worse places to overindulge yourself. Yeah, exactly. What was it? What was your kind of so on your bike then did you have panniers? How did you how what was the journey like? Did you have plans in terms of where you want to stop camp sleep? What was that journey? No.
Chris Watson (14:04.462)
I did have the panniers. I had the panniers on the front. You've got small ones on the front, big ones on the back, and I had my tent over the back panniers. So it is absolutely the most joyous experience to be completely self -contained. I have a little bit of food in my bag as well and water. And you literally don't need anything. And that is, you can camp anywhere. I mean, the places I camp, sometimes I wouldn't even bother putting my tent up, but...
find a cafe on the side of the road and just lie underneath the table in my sleeping bag and things like this. And the people really welcomed you to do that, which is, yeah, that's so beautiful. And did it like the planning. Luckily, I, because I was doing end of year stuff at school. It was a real kind of like, okay, I'm gonna go and do this and then two months later you're going to do it. And in those two months, my dad was, he got me some visas for the stand countries, which were a little bit more tricky.
and he's brilliant my dad he loves to get involved you know if you're doing something he wants to kind of help you get along in it kind of thing and he bought me some maps and he kind of did a an idea of what the route should be in Europe which is lucky really because there's loads of roads in Europe when you get out to the the stanned countries or even yeah yeah yeah even the Ukraine there's really only one road you can take
And so you wake up in the morning, you look where the sun's rising from and you head that way. That was basically what I did for the rest of the, after Europe. It was literally just, that was what I was doing, camping whenever, whenever I fancied stopping, which is the beauty as well. This is the difference between a train or bus travel, which is also kind of cool. And bike travel is that I stop whenever I want. I set off whenever I want. If I wake up in the morning, I'm like, nah, I can't be bothered today. Yeah.
You don't do anything and it's brilliant. And you just hang out with the people that are around you and you make new fleeting friends. And often those people invite you into their homes and then they kind of hold you hostage and don't allow you to leave because they're enjoying you being there and seeing how much you're enjoying the food that they're giving you and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, so yeah, I had no plan and I didn't, I was so lucky. I was like, I was one of the last people in
Chris Watson (16:28.014)
When I was in Pakistan, I was one of the last people to come down the Karakoram Highway before it closed because of the snow and all that sort of stuff. Literally, I hadn't considered anything. I'm like that in life generally, that this trip was a real kind of a very good focus point of showing me what I'm actually like. I just like to do things and I don't really like to plan. If I plan too much, you've got too much of an expectation of what it's going to be like. Whereas if you just kind of jump in...
You don't really know until you get there and then you're there and that's the hardest bit anyway, isn't it? It takes the gloss over. It's something I personally wrestle with too much because I like to be a bit of a control freak at times, but I like the unexpected as well because that adds to the adventure a lot. So was there any countries or any locations that kind of surprised you on that journey to India? Anything that's left a lasting impression on you? Well, I mean...
so many of them. When I, because I actually wanted to go through Iran and Turkey and take that sort of route which I'm very kind of romantically involved with Kurdistan and Iran and all those places which I don't know, I don't even know why but there must have been something in my childhood that really really drew me to those places and when Iran rejected my visa and I realized I was going to have to go through these Stan countries I was like god that's going to be dull but they're just some, what amazing places they are.
Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan. And they're all absolutely incredible places to go to and brilliant people to meet. And then the bit that was the most amazing for me, I was hoping to go into China and kind of go through Tibet and come down through Nepal and get into India. But again,
I think it was 70 years since the occupation of Tibet when I went there. There was a date and they weren't letting foreigners in because of protest worries and things like this. So I got rejected from there and there was this opportunity, you could go for it and cycle at night and avoid the dogs and the people with guns. And I was like, that doesn't sound much fun really. And the other choice was to go through Pakistan and Pakistan was at war with Afghanistan at the time. And...
Chris Watson (18:50.926)
just as we were kind of getting there, there was a bus held hostage and people were killed and all this sort of stuff. And so I was pretty nervous about going into Pakistan, probably obvious reasons, but at least for me, that northern part of Pakistan was the most beautiful, the most beautiful humans and the most beautiful nature that I've ever seen. It was unbelievable. People with nothing, yeah, it was really, really showing.
that beauty of people with nothing will give you everything. And the mountains, my goodness, there's 8 ,000 meter peak K2 in Pakistan, and you know, there's some massive ones hanging around there that these, I guess the people made you feel small in the way they would give everything and have nothing. The mountains made you feel small in the way that they are.
so infinitely bigger than you. And it's a real great, I think being made to feel small in that way is probably a good place to go every now and again, just to kind of keep your ego in check and all that sort of stuff. Did you ever feel vulnerable or exposed when you're out in these places at all?
No, not one point. There was a guy that looked as though he was the typical Taliban -y type of... Because I actually cycled through the place where Osama Bin Laden was in hiding. And obviously there was no issues with that, but there was a guy that looked like he was more of a typical cartoon Taliban -type looking person. And I thought, that's an interesting looking face. I went to take a picture of him.
and someone put my camera down and said, don't, you probably shouldn't bother doing that. So, and like that was about, you know, if that's my one story of feeling threatened. There were a few times I was held at gunpoint though. And maybe to that first time that was in Uzbekistan, no, no, I think, no, no, it was in Ukraine actually where I first got held at gunpoint, but it was just by a soldier or maybe not a soldier, I don't know, not quite your typical soldier anyway, someone with a gun. And then.
Chris Watson (21:08.142)
And he just wanted to chat to me and he actually wanted me to drink vodka with him. That was his... That was it. But he just thought, this guy's on a bicycle. In fact, at that point I was walking down the street. It was a great way to stop, make him stop and talk to me is to put a gun in his face. And then after a while you start, right. These people just want to talk to me. You know, and if I could communicate properly with them, like, you don't need to bother with the gun. I'll have a chat with you. I really love humans. But yeah.
Yeah, that's a guy in the middle of nowhere with a gun and a bottle of vodka just looking for somebody to chat to. Yeah. That's part of the adventure. So fantastic. What was so the charity that you'd done that for, Danny, that was an action aid. That's right. Yeah. So how did that turn out then? What did you manage to do in terms of raising funds and awareness and stuff for? I think in that trip,
I think I raised, I might have raised £15 ,000 or something. I can't remember. Something, something, but you know, at that time I was like, wow, this is so much money. My whole trip cost me about £2 ,000 or £3 ,000 for six months. And here you are raising all that. Yeah, I can't remember. I can't, I'm trying to wrap my brain now of how I got involved with ActionAid. They're a brilliant charity. They do so much good stuff.
But I guess the reason I was involved with them is because they supported the school where I was going to be working. And so there was that connection. So a lot of the money, some of the money went to other projects, but most of that money went to the kids that I was then going to be teaching. And they didn't actually do it when I was there, but when I'd left, they took them all to the seaside and they'd never seen the sea before. Just little things like this. So they had their own little adventure and that sort of thing.
For me, that was, yeah, that was just absolutely a beautiful use of that cash and give them a sip. But when I arrived at the school, my goodness, there was like a carnival. It was absolutely brilliant and beautiful and all the kids were there. I felt very embarrassed actually to be, I got really smelly. It was so hot while you're cycling there. It's like I haven't changed my t -shirt in about five days.
Chris Watson (23:30.318)
But they didn't seem to mind, they were quite happy to have this. What was the story about the maggots in the beard? Was that in India? I vaguely recall that in one of your talks previously, you woke up with maggots in your beard or something? Yeah, I was in, that's one of the first days in India. I stopped at a kind of little town and there were some other Westerners there and we decided we were going to share a place to stay. But they were all very, very sick.
and eventually they all went to sleep and I managed to go to sleep but there's these things landing on my face and I thought they were bed bugs. You know, bed bugs aren't that uncommon when you go for really, really, really cheap accommodation. So, but when I woke up in the morning my beard was white with maggots where there's this rotten beam above my bed and they've been dropping on my face all night. They land in your tear duct here. my goodness, that wakes you up. No matter how tired you are, that wakes you up.
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so much joy and love. It was just, it was, there were times where it got a bit tricky, but the thing for me, because I think I go into these talks and whatever else, and sometimes it inspires people to go and do things. And I always want to make sure that they're getting inspired for the right reasons. And for me, that journey was in me. It was, that was a, in the same way as an artist might paint a picture, that journey was,
something that had to be expressed from inside of me and I had to get it out and I wrote about it and all that sort of stuff and there was another great way of expressing that but the journey itself was so pure that there was no question of stopping or whether I should do it or whether I should stop. There was none of that. It was all purity of soul and I think some people have gone and done things since and they've had a very unhappy time because it's not...
Chris Watson (25:58.062)
It's not pleasure and if you're not having a good time, not that you're not having a good time, but if it doesn't feel like it's a real experience for you and you are doing it maybe for social media or whatever else, people can see that and you can feel it and it won't have that purity of soul that I felt that my one, and to be quite honest,
The only person that matters is me in this situation. And for me, it was very, very, very personal experience. Fantastic. So, can I move and switch lanes a little bit, Danny? The run across America that you've done had a very, very poignant backstory as well, considering what happened in Boston, the Boston bombings. You've done, what was the, was it LA to Boston or was it?
What was the journey that you've run? Was it LA to Boston that you ran across America? Yeah, yeah. So I'll go back to blabbering about kind of your soul and just following your true path. And I heard about the Boston Marathon bombings going off and thought something needed to be done about it. And really more than something needing to be done, it was an expression of self of, I'd like to do something.
to make me feel better. Probably, when you look at the deep into these things, it's probably to do with you, but it felt like my community was being attacked and I wanted to do something about it. And we organized this, me and a girl, Kate, we organized a continuous running relay across America. So people ran 10 miles each and we had this piece of Lily baton made by one of our mates who's a student at Plymouth Uni. And we carried this baton.
the American people carried a baton from LA to Boston continuously, 3 ,300 miles -ish without stopping. And yeah, really it was a showing of solidarity. And we thought, well, we may as well set up some fundraising -y type stuff. So just in case people want to fundraise and you don't want to miss an opportunity to do that. And we thought, yeah, like if I raised as much as we did cycling to India, 15 ,000, I would have been blown away. But we probably thought,
Chris Watson (28:18.926)
get 3000, a few of our family and friends might give something to it and things like that. But anyway, we weren't even sure we were going to get the people to do it because we didn't know anyone in America, we'd never been to America. And it was just an idea and it didn't take a few days to take off. But when it took off, it really took off and cut a long story short, this piece Lily Batten was carried from Santa Monica in LA all the way to the Boston Marathon finish line in Boston and
So 3 ,300 miles, we had thousands of people sign up and we ended up raising $600 ,000 for the people affected by the bombings. And I love this story for so many different ways. One is just humanity is fucking great. And secondly, it was the most harebrained, stupid idea to kind of launch something somewhere you don't know, where you don't know anyone and...
You know, my organizational skills are pretty damn, like they're pretty much missing if I'm honest. And Kate's the opposite. She is very organized. That was very helpful. But the tiny idea turned into something that had a profound effect on people's lives. Cause actually the 600 ,000 pounds raised wasn't dollars, sorry, not pounds.
That wasn't the big game. The big game where the people who were involved in that bombing came back to that finish line and they walked across that finish line themselves, whether it was with prosthetic limbs or whether it was in a wheelchair, obviously with a lot of PTSD from... That's a place where they have been attacked and they return there and they carried that baton with thousands of people behind them.
across that finish line and reclaimed it as their own. And actually the people that ran as well, we were all dealing with things and just coming together, which probably leads on to lots of things we're gonna talk about later on, just coming together helps you. It cures ailments in some way. Like whether you are going through, I don't know, your kid's been bullied at school or your...
Chris Watson (30:35.406)
you're recovering from cancer or you've broken up from a relationship or you whatever, all these sorts of things, yes, they're all very, very hard and they're gonna be hard no matter what. But when you start, you put a community around you that care for you and listen to you and give you space and hear you, you're sharing that load. And suddenly you are lighter and you can progress in life in a different way. And I think that...
that really, even above the victims of the bombing, the people affected by the bombings being involved, the real gains were in the people that held the baton. And that's kind of magical, isn't it? It's astonishing considering you didn't know anyone over there. And considering the distance and the logistics, if you were actually to try and plan something like that, it would be monumental in its own right. But to do that and to achieve that amount of success in terms of like the...
the values that you raised and bringing people together is really really something. It really is something Danny. Yeah, but that's not, there's nothing, there's absolutely no credit. I mean maybe the idea, the credit is the idea. That's what I can take. Everything else was the people around us. The people that signed up were like, my mate should get involved in this. And the greatest thing about a relay is if I'm running a leg in the middle of Texas,
I need someone to pass me that, so I look for someone to pass me that baton and I look for someone who I can pass it to and slowly it grows. It has to be astonishing. There's the brave people that jump in and they're like, yes, here, I'm going to do it. And then there's the people that they recruit around them and then. It's when something goes viral for the right reasons, it's astonishing because it's such a, I mean, it's going across different states, different geographies and stuff. And for people to continue that message and that journey right across, it's fantastic. Yeah.
And all the money we raised went directly to the charity. So we didn't even have to touch it. But we got a letter from the government afterwards saying, thank you for everything you've done. If you do it again, please do it legally. So, cause those bastards want half the money. That's why. Well, I hope that's not the case, but, they just wanted us to be registered as, you know, the things you need to register to do these things. But yeah, the charity was there. We just did something. There we go.
Chris Watson (32:57.454)
of your uncle. Yeah, fantastic. So in terms, so that, so considering some of the adventures you've done and the work that you're doing, or have been doing, you know, recently, like the Great Norse Run, the Great Silk Road, the Great Patagonia Run, how do these compare to running events like that previously? So, yeah, so I mean, sorry, let me rephrase that. I wanted to talk about the run across Iceland, the Great Norse Run, but...
having just watched the Tajikistan Ahead short film, I mean, there's so much in that that I would like to talk about. I don't probably have enough time, but when did you complete that great silk run? Was that fairly recently or? Yeah, so that was in August of last year. And so we had the film premiered on YouTube, but it also premiered in Leeds where we had a few of the runners come along and a lot of people came.
The filmmaker was obviously there and we did the showing of the film. And yeah, you can find that on my YouTube channel and all that sort of stuff. So, but, but this thing is, it's kind of like, I guess this all comes from that cycle ride really, because if I, it's really nice talking to you because you actually want, you want to listen to me talk about the things that have happened. But if I'm down, if I'm down at the cafe and there's someone, I'm going, meeting up with someone.
If I start talking about my cycle ride to India, I've probably got 30 seconds, maybe a minute. And after that, they want to talk about something else. Whereas, and so I kind of had this idea that it'd be really, really cool. I've been doing these adventures on my own, even though the run across America, you're with a lot of people. There's always people around. It's kind of lonely when you're bringing it all together and everything. There's still loneliness to that.
And I've run communities, fitness communities and stuff like this. And again, it can be lonely at the top there. And there's this expectation on you. There's this kind of, people assume things about you. Because I'm not interested in money. Some people make assumptions that I have lots of money. I have absolutely zero money because I don't value it. Anyway, I kind of went on a waffle there. But my point is with the...
Chris Watson (35:19.598)
the adventures in Iceland and Tajikistan, Nepal, Patagonia, I just decided I want to do stuff with other people. So that even if it's once a year, we can meet up on that same day that we hit the sea when we went from the north to the south of Iceland or whatever. And if we're together, we can talk about it all night long. And if we want, we can camp out somewhere and the next morning we can carry on talking about it. Because we've all experienced it. We've all experienced that magic.
And so that's where these kind of came from. And to be honest, we only meant to do Iceland. It was just a one -off thing that I'd said to one of my mates that I wanted to do something with other people, something like running across Iceland. And he'd just planned a route across Iceland. And he was like, here's the route. And I was like, this, again, it's those moments where it feels like the universe is coming together and this is your actual true path and all that sort of stuff. And then afterwards, people were like, I want to do that.
And the people who had done it were saying, where are we going next? And we were like, that's not really the questions we were expecting. We were just kind of like, that's done. Let's go on, carry on doing other things. And so this kind of, it's a company. It really is a company now that's been set up. That's fantastic. I mean, if you can do a two or three of those a year, I mean, that must be incredibly satisfying, incredibly fulfilling. It is. And the cool thing is, we did Iceland. I wanted to go to Iceland.
And then when I was on my cycle ride, there was a left or right turn choice. The left turn went to China, Pakistan, India. The right turn went to Tajikistan. And since that moment of me taking the left, I decided in the end I would stick to my goal. But I was so tempted to turn right because those mountains and that plateau just looks so cool. And I heard such amazing stories. And so that was in me. And then we're like, what are you going to do next? I was like, how about we run across Tajikistan?
And then you end up doing it. And so it's a great, it's really cool. It's really brilliant that it does all sorts of things. It does all the things that are... I think these trips are about wellbeing. It's not about wellbeing of your body because you're destroyed after it. You're definitely not feeling better in your body at the end of these. But in your mind, you've created community, you've pushed yourself and achieved things you didn't think were possible. And...
Chris Watson (37:46.446)
Lots of people that have come on the trips, they might have run a half marathon or maybe only 10k and they're running seven marathons in seven days. But it's because you only got to do that. And I think it's beautiful in the way that the human body can achieve so much more than you think. But then you can translate that lesson, just replace human body with anything else. Like me in a relationship, me at work, me in being good to myself, you know, all that sort of stuff.
I'm, wow, I'm infinitely more capable than I thought. It smashes you through these kind of limits that we, we all, I mean, I'm a really positive person, very, very, I look at things in, with utmost possibility, but I definitely think I have, I've definitely got limits that I know really aren't my limit. And everyone has them and it's really great when you see it in someone's eyes, to see them.
have that dismantled and that little sparkle in their eyes. It's really an incredible thing to witness and you see it, and let's say it doesn't happen to everyone. Because some people come having done crazy like marathon to salve and all that sort of stuff before. It's just a new challenge for them. Whereas some people it's their first challenge and it's there. And they might be, lots of people we get coming along are dealing with their own troubles. Bit like I was saying about the thing in America.
and this is their way of coming back into their own being. They might have been externalised by things that are happening in their lives and now, because quite often you can't use your phone, you've got nothing to do other than run, eat, sleep or hang out with people, the people who are on your trip and that purity as well is...
very, very nice and you feel it when you get back and people turn their phones back on and some of the energy just disappears right away. They're not here. You're not here in this, I got to say room, but we very often we're in a big tent or in a homestay or whatever it is, but the phone steals part of you and that's a really sad thing. And of course I'm like saying for me, when I get my phone back and I'm like, shit, let's look at what's going on. You lose half of me as well.
Chris Watson (40:09.422)
I think in Tajikistan Ahead there was a lady, was it Jane I think her name was, she was dealing with stage 3 cancer and the deal, you know, she just, and she completed that end to end and she sang marathons in seven days, you know, out of it, and he's all dead, I mean, but contending with extreme temperatures, altitudes and still getting through that and then he still had time to have a little party with your...
little kind of speaker boogie box type thing is fantastic. Yeah, we try and make it. I mean, I get referred to as little brother in this and I like, I, they want me to get up to mischief. And so if we want to have a little rave, an impromptu rave somewhere, we do it. And if we, we'll, you know, do a naked bum picture or just stupid shit like, and all, I, but.
without knowing it, I think all of these things play into it. It's like, God, I wouldn't normally do this, but I'm gonna do it because I'm on this bloody adventure. And so they do things that are a little bit beyond their comfort zones anyway. But then you've got people like Jane who are, you know, they're blowing everything you know about someone that's gone through stage three breast cancer and hers was very, very severe and had chemotherapy being taken, taken.
And this isn't that all her story isn't in the film. There's parts of it that we're on in there. And this is a lady who had everything taken away from her in her life. And this was her taking it back in no short term either. Like, I'm having this now. And in the film, she's quite weak. But when you're there, and I hope it comes across in the video that you...
She is not weak by any stretch. no, not at all. I think seeing it, I think she's sitting in a dry robe at one part of it, sitting in and you're kind of watching the thing, can she going to tap out here? And I need to see her coming, kind of coming through at the end. I think, and everybody is, yeah, I mean, not just Jane, but the whole thing, you can see that the extremities that you were going through, even the cultural side of it's fantastic as well, not speaking the language or you trying to speak the language a little bit was quite interesting.
Chris Watson (42:33.326)
And just seeing the culture, you know, and the way that they're so welcoming, you know, you're in the middle of nowhere and people are just so, so nice. Yeah. I mean, this, this, this for me was the most powerful thing about this trip. Actually, the people, people were second. The people who took part were second this time for me because everyone at home, anyone, anyone spoke to about going to Tajikistan, we're running from the Afghan border to the Chinese border. Everyone is like, why would you want to do that?
you're probably going to get taken hostage. Those people, you can't trust those people, you know, that sort of a kind of dialogue. And then what did we experience? The absolute polar opposite. Absolutely 100 % different and just kindness, love. We can't speak your language. You're probably a different religion to us, but we can give a toss about that. We're still going to share our homegrown food.
which is probably what they're eating all year round with you. And the kids are gonna just like walk along. Cause the kids, the great thing is in Tajikistan is that the kids can speak English because you know, since it's not been under the kind of USSR label, people have been, English is the language people have been learning, whereas the older people all speak Russian. And so that's obviously a bit trickier for us guys.
But the kids are just like, they're having an absolute party and the kids are kind of, you know, the adults will say something and the kids translate it, but it kind of comes out as though a kid said it. And it's just such a beautiful time. And actually, point I made earlier on with me being the little brother, on this trip, there were six little brothers, because all the five drivers were absolutely fruitcakes. They were just up for a laugh and a party the whole time. And it was them that everyone fell in love with actually. They're just, they're...
their power of being and I love the part where one of the ladies says, this is the country where men dance. yes, at the end of it, yeah. They're dancing together, they're intertwining their hands and spinning around and it's, I mean I like dancing but you can see in the movie that I'm not as well trained as these guys. What was it like when you concluded that and you came, I think when you, at the end of it is it the premieres?
Chris Watson (44:54.254)
mountain range that you can see when you come to the end of the journey. Yes, the Pamir Highway, which is basically surround, because the Pamir Highway kind of goes through a kind of plateau, a 4 ,000 meter plateau. And so, yes, there's the Pamir Mountain ranges. I think it, I might be wrong here, but I think I'm pretty sure it encircles the whole lot, the whole place. And you can see those mountains in the background, big white. But I...
It was very, very moving. I cried a lot when everyone was finishing and it, cause I was, you're taking people to this country as well with the warnings that are being received. And when you get to the end and everyone's there, that's a very, very nice feeling. I admittedly, I got myself some sort of a stomach bug by that point that was making me hallucinate. So the next morning there wasn't so much celebrating because I didn't really know where I was, but.
yeah, that was just, just a day or so of that, but I got actually quite famed when I came back to England that my doctor's surgery went in there and every, all the staff knew who I was because of this kind of strange bug I got. I was trying to get rid of it. Wow. Well, it must've been so, so rewarding. Danny, has that, has that given you inspiration for doing, or adding another stand or another remote location to your roster? Yeah.
I, well, I love the stands from the cycle ride. I would love to go back to Uzbekistan. I think that's an amazing place. It's like desert and then these carnates, like the kind of cities that just kind of grow out and they've got wall. It's like kind of medieval, but still with an Arabian twist kind of thing. So yes, that would be lovely.
Me and my girlfriend are heading off. So we're actually, yeah, we were inspired to go to Patagonia. That's the one we're actually doing on the 2nd of February. So we're really, really close to that. Yeah, we're 10 days away, basically, 11 days away from doing, going there. And then, but me and my girlfriend after that are flying to Turkey. And from there, we're going to Kurdistan in Turkey and there's Kurdistan, Iraq as well, which is a totally separate entity to normal Iraq. And it's,
Chris Watson (47:15.502)
The government looks at Iraq as one singular country, but if you hear people that have been to Kurdistan, you can get a visa on entry and things like this. There's some beautiful walks there and stuff. So we're hoping to do a walk there and there's a CrossFit in Ergil and we're hoping to do some kind of CrossFit games qualifier things there. And really we're actually saying to each other, all we want to do is...
Go to coffee shops, sit and watch people. I think that's something Mia and my girlfriend have in common and that's just such a beautiful thing to do. Just drink coffee and watch people. It's lovely, isn't it? So yeah. And so the route we're doing in Iraq, who knows? We're working it all out. But we're definitely as well, we're also embedding in what we're doing as well, because every time we do something like run across Iceland, we've run across Iceland three times now and every time it gets much...
much classier and much more slick, but also people don't really want that. They want an adventure. And so we're definitely going to do something in Tajikistan again. We're, we're looking, we're chatting with some charities that are really interested in doing stuff, especially some military charities that want to take people back to that area and have them experience the beauty that they got. I was speaking to someone this morning who was saying,
the soldiers really missed that great time they had in Afghanistan because they have community and they get to talk to the locals and have these brilliant relationships with the locals. I think a lot of soldiering is just kind of hanging around having nice times with the local people. Obviously there's the terrible things that go on as well. But they're saying that might be a very, very positive thing for veterans to go and do and things like this, which we're interested in. Obviously this is just one conversation I had this morning, but it's...
It's really interesting that it seems that it's not just your individuals that want this. There may be organizations that are looking for it. And we were chatting with a marketing guy and he was like, guys, what you're offering is, it's kind of self -help, it's wellbeing. We're like, I know, this is about adventure and running. He's like, this isn't about adventure and running. It's nothing to do. That maybe has a small part to play, but it's not actually, it's about the other things. It's about community and, you know, the...
Chris Watson (49:38.19)
the lessons it's going to teach you along the way. Anyone who's done a big adventure, it's like, if the book I wrote about cycling from London to India, thinking what it's called, you've gone too far this time, sir. I'm dyslexic. I had no idea I could write a book, but I wrote some blogs and people liked them. And then it ended up getting a publisher and it sold all sorts of copies. And I'm being quite celebrated as a book anyway, but people read that and they're like, they either say,
It's a tour guide book to toilets because I do talk about the toilets that you come across quite a lot. But also they talk about it as a, as a wellbeing book and the lessons you can learn from someone on the road and better, better to learn those lessons, actually doing an adventure yourself than reading about it. But if you want to read about it, you can get it. Yes, I'll get that linked actually. I mean, it's a very important point and that's partly the premise behind me doing this show. It's trying to show people what's.
other people are capable of and what you can be capable of without necessarily recreating someone else's journey, but getting out and immersing yourself in these experiences because the wellbeing and the mental side of it are so, so important. As are the community and with that, a bit of a pivot. Danny, I wanted to touch on Project Awesome. Can you tell us about that and how that came to be? Yeah, that,
When I was in America, there was this thing called November Project and it was high octane, colourful, loud, obnoxious fitness. I was like, I need this in my community. I need this in my life. And so, yeah, probably very Dan -like. I went home and I set up Project Awesome and it's just loud, fun, a little bit obnoxious.
We weren't going to be told where we could work out. It's very kind of street vibes. And yeah, it's just, again, it's so funny because I look back on Project Awesome very, very fondly. And it was just such a brilliant part of my life where I got to, we had up to like 300 people turn up to a workout at half past six in the morning. Some people were getting up at half past four to get there in time and.
Chris Watson (51:57.614)
you would, that's how powerful it was. And at the end of the day, it was just a workout. Same as the adventures, just an adventure. But there's just something, and I think it's probably something that has been brought into me by my parents or whatever it is, is that when people are around you, because I'm trying to be me at the end of the day, and that's all I can be, and people pick that up. And I think they find themselves a little bit when you...
when they first meet you and then obviously the whole community becomes a little bit more themselves. So when newbies come, they're like, my God, look at all these people just being themselves and not worrying. And then obviously they're fast -tracked to it because there's so many people around them. There's so many businesses and stuff came from projects. It was free fitness. It was just like, I just wanted to work out with people. Yeah, and Sadiq Khan would walk past.
When we were at the scoop outside his office at City Hall and he'd like give us a wave and just say hi. And I'd like, I, every time I'd be like, you can come and join us whenever you like. We never got in, but, Is it still going? Is it still thriving today? It's, it is still going and it's still happening in a very, very similar vein to how it was. I think, obviously for me, it became a baby. It was my baby. So I was.
very, very into it. And I recruited anyone, basically anyone I met, I wanted to get them there. Anyone I liked, I wanted to get them to for a job. And so I was kind of selling the whole time. It's very exhausted actually. You know, at the end of the day, I was spending, I was doing a full -time job on something that was completely and utterly free that made no money. And that's not sustainable, unfortunately. I prayed a...
little bit of a meltdown by the end of it and you're not having much sleep either because of the way the community was everyone was supporting each other in every single way so if someone was giving a reading a poetry competition or they were playing the violin in an orchestra or they had the choir or whatever all this stuff like the whole crew would just turn up and it was really good times really really good times and I don't think I've had a community as
Chris Watson (54:18.094)
How awful is that? Because we met three times a week, every week. And so everyone knew each other and lives were absolutely transformed from it. And magic stuff. Two newbies turned up one day, one of them said to the other one, I've got this real, he must have asked him what he, some deep question was asked. He was like, I really want to, I had this dream to kayak down the Amazon. And a few months after that, those two guys disappeared. They didn't come back to Project Awesome after that. But a f***ing
think it was six months after that they came back and they told the story of how they'd kayak down the Amazon and it's not just very powerful stories of transformation as well people that had no value in themselves and then they find that value. Yeah and something magical about bringing people like -minded people together in the same space that's that's a really that's a really touching story. Excellent so touching on I think I said at the start what
You've been noted as one of the 50th most influential people in London as well as the 100 happiest, within 100 happiest persons in the UK. How did that come about?
The easier one is the happy list. That was the independent as a list, the 100 happiest at the same time as I think it's the times do the 100 rich list. And obviously very rarely do the overlap and have one in each. So yeah, I just got voted on that. I think I had done something on London live TV or something like this. And...
It was actually the TV station that recommended me to the independent for this award. And it is a lovely thing. We got to go to a big party and all that sort of stuff. And the interesting thing, I'd actually just been on the BBC Ultimate Hell Week, a special forces kind of one of those trials where they take normal people and blitz them. And I thought, I actually thought that was going to change my life because people saw me every Sunday at...
Chris Watson (56:24.526)
prime time and I lasted the duration and one of the three people that lasted the duration. and that didn't change my life half as much as being voted one of the hundred happiest people. that then people really want to kind of get under the skin of what you're up to and things like that. What does happiness mean to Danny? I'm probably on a bit of an internal inspection.
the moment where happiness for me has been been very present and following your heart and your kind of that kind of spiritual stuff and things like this no not really allowing my brain into it but i'm actually studying psychotherapy at the moment i'm doing a masters in it as much just to kind of keep the gray matter ticking and all that sort of stuff but also to bring it into the
the communities that I'm involved in, because people tell you things that you need to be able to deal with. And there was a lesson really, really recently where they talked about the difference between happiness and meaning. And happiness is being very present. And meaning is where you look at the past and you learn from the past and you plan for the future and things like this, which is done in my experience.
is that happens in the head and the rest happens in the heart. And I've probably discounted the head a lot. And there are times where I, you know, even though we've having this beautiful conversation about the nice things that have happened because of my existence, there's still times when I feel like my life doesn't have that kind of deep meaning. And I'm kind of toying and weighing up whether that is because I spend all this time in the present and not worrying about the future. Like, you know, and...
Can I get a house? I was 45 the weekend and I don't own a house or I do have a very small pension but all that kind of grown up stuff, it's probably a good idea to look into that stuff because every year that goes by I'm like, yeah, still haven't done those sorts of things. But there's all these amazing things that kind of also maybe fill that void or whatever it is. So I'm just...
Chris Watson (58:48.142)
looking at myself and I do really think the way you expect, the things you expect versus what actually happens is a really good judge of happiness. If your level of expectation matches what actually is happening in your life, then that's really cool. But if you have kind of, you know, you're really wanting to get a hundred thousand followers or you're wanting to raise them, you're wanting to earn a million pounds or whatever it is, I think that's a...
even if you achieve it in the long run, I think once you've achieved it, you're kind of like, well, what, what, what, what, nothing changes. And so I think it's just about, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm toying with it all. There's, there's loads of lessons that I go and give talks about. and one of those, one of those would be being in the present. And so it's, it's just, it's just really beautiful to have that mindset where you, I'm still.
wanting to learn about me. And in fact, this last year I've learned more about me than I've learned the whole of my life. Fantastic. I mean, I think kind of rolling back a little bit, there's definitely something in the adventures that you're doing and you touched on the wellbeing and kind of bringing that together in some sort of adventure therapy type, not wilderness therapy in the way that they kind of do that in the US, which is quite, it's got really bad connotations, but there's certainly a wellbeing aspect to it. And I think.
I don't know if you've read a book by Belinda Kirk, Adventure Revolution, which is a lot of good stuff in that. And it's something I think you'd be fantastic at. Just don't fly away. I actually have this idea that I will, and it'd be really nice for your listeners to comment if they think it's a good one. I've had this idea that, you know, even just a wellbeing weekly or bi -weekly catch up where the things I'm learning in my...
courses I can apply, but apply them in a very soft way. And we can all, you know, an open place to talk about ourselves and to express. And like I was saying to you, be heard and, and own your, be facilitated to own the space to be seen. And I think that would be a great starting place for this sort of stuff. But with, with that idea, if people are interested, then we can go away and.
Chris Watson (01:01:11.182)
You know, chopping wood, melting snow for water. They're both, they're things I love, love, love to do. But, and weave into that some, you know, mindfulness and, you know, I love a sound bath. Like how crazy is it that sound can have such a profound effect on your body and these sorts of things. And just bring in little, little aspects. And these are people I'm friends with.
And so I'm going to have an amazing time facilitating this and just bringing in different people who can offer opportunity for growth and change in people's lives. I think that would be a very much a nice part of a nice part of what I can offer to people and offer myself. Really fantastic. I like to do things that I like. I want to do things that I want to do, whether that's running across a country or whether it's
lying down having people ding bells and sing it's just it's like and if i like it then there's a few people out there that also could could get on board there's definitely something that's fantastic honestly i mean i'll drop you some thoughts and ideas on that because it's something i'm really really really interested in as well i've got some tons of ideas excellent so
respectful of your time Danny we're kind of coming up on time and I have two closing traditions on the show one of which is a call to adventure and the other is a paid forward suggestion so the call to adventure is a cue for you to suggest something for the listeners it could be a trip a place a person an adventure activity just something to get people inspired and outside and active.
great. Maybe I should touch upon the idea that, because you know if you come on one of our adventures it costs you a bit of money to do it, but there are things you can do that give you that feeling for free all around you and so whether that's... let's go... I'm gonna kind of touch upon things like going for a walk, going for a run, going rock climbing, just anywhere where there's green...
Chris Watson (01:03:28.142)
Green makes your brain, your reptilian brain think and relax because it knows it's gonna be able to get food and it knows it's gonna be able to get water. So just be out in green helps. Then the thing that has a very, very good effect on me is the cold water dipping. At this time of year when we're breaking the ice and getting in it and trying to stay in for a little while just to kind of just calm everything down because if you panic in there, you're out.
So you have to just write remain calm. They're little adventures that everyone and anyone can do. And you can do it before work as well, which then leaves you in a calm state when you go into the office or whether, or the hospital or the school or wherever you are. As I really am a big believer in that. And really, look in yourself. I've said it the whole time away. We've been chatting. It's look in yourself and, and,
feel what these things are doing, whether that's a big adventure, a small adventure, there's all sorts of things you can do. Fantastic. I think the important part there as well, you can do it before the day starts, before school, college, work, whatever it may be. So perfect. Thank you. And a paid forward suggestion. So a recommendation for a worthy cause charity or project that may...
It means something to you. Yep. So in August we're running across Iceland for Rock to Recovery. It's for service, ex -service people who are dealing with PTSD. Rock to Recovery, that's a super awesome one. But my personal favorite charity is the Running Charity. It's predominantly in London, but it's spreading around the UK. And I think there may even be ideas of it popping up all around the world. And it's, they take running.
and they take homeless people, gang members, refugees, and they combine the two and the results they have are phenomenal. For the smallest amounts of money, like, for a small amount of money, they can revolutionise an individual's life. And I've seen that happen firsthand. There's people that are getting England vests who were on the streets. That is unbelievable.
Chris Watson (01:05:52.622)
And that's all thanks to the Running Charity. And I've raised money for them before, like literally talking to them. I like want to cry telling you about it. That's how amazing the Running Charity are. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. That sounds excellent. Daniel, get all that listed, get that published and hopefully people go and check that out and contribute to it. This has been fantastic. I love your energy. Yeah, it's incredible.
It's just nice speaking to someone that smiles constantly as well. Yeah, it's really, really nice. It's been a lovely interview. It takes someone else to ignite us, you know, to peak you when we're here. So that's all thanks to you, sir. Thank you. So where can everyone go and find out and get all the fil of Danny Bent? I mean, yes, Danny Bent dot com is my website. There's lots of different bits and pieces on there.
Instagram, Danny underscore Ben run wild global is our Instagram for the company. But you know, that's kind of a small Instagram account. That's just getting going. Yeah, those sorts of things. But really go to my website, then you can access everything else from there. Basically, fantastic. We'll get all that listed and advertised because yeah, when the show goes up, we'll get tagged on Instagram and places like that as well. So fashion.
Fantastic, I really enjoyed this. Thanks for tuning in to today's episode. For the show notes and further information, please visit adventurediaries .com slash podcast. And finally, we hope to have inspired you to take action and plan your next adventure, big or small, because sometimes we all need a little adventure to cleanse that bitter taste of life from the soul. Until next time, have fun and keep paying it forward.