Made for Mothers
17. Babies + Brand Partnerships w/ Dallas Girl Gang Founder + CEO Amanda Smith
Gather 'round because we've got the one and only Amanda Smith in the house for today's show!
Amanda is the CEO and Founder of the Dallas Girl Gang, and let me tell yah.. she knows a thing or two about events, community building, and brand partnerships. On a mom-to-mom personal note, she's been a real inspiration for me as I've been diving into building my own Made for Mothers community this past year.
Amanda's journey to entrepreneurship wasn't exactly planned. A former elementary school music teacher, she stumbled into business ownership by accident. Back in 2017, when she first landed in Dallas, she was on a mission to connect with like-minded women. So, she started the Dallas Girl Gang Facebook group, and well, let's just say it's grown a bit since then—42,000 members and counting!
And get this, you don't even have to be in Dallas to get in on the action. I'm proof of that!
Today, Amanda and I are chatting about the nitty-gritty of building and maintaining a thriving community. We'll cover everything from reaching out across platforms to nailing those brand partnerships, and even finding your footing in the chaos of motherhood.
Amanda's real, she's honest, and she's got some serious wisdom to share. So trust me when I say, if you're looking for a supportive community like the one she's created with DGG, you're in for a treat. Oh, and don't forget to mark your calendars for her upcoming conference this September 2024—it's gonna be one for the books!
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Connect with Amanda on Instagram @amandasindallas and dallasgirlgang
The Ultimate Guide to Landing Brand Partnerships
Learn more about Amanda and the DGG community by visiting her website
Connect with me on Instagram
Learn more about booking a Biz Therapy session and working together by visiting my website
Hey I'm Mariah. I'm a Boy Mama, the very PROUD founder of Made for Mothers, obviously a Podcast Host, and a Marketing and Business Mentor for Moms. I offer Biz Therapy Sessions. Unlike traditional business coaching, this is a space where the whole person is honored, motherhood is celebrated, limiting beliefs are uncovered, messaging is prioritized, niches are defined, roadblocks are clearly identified, systems are taught, marketing is simplified, and the support is a month long. 1 x 90-minute session + 30 days of Voxer support.
Gather 'round because we've got the one and only Amanda Smith in the house for today's show!
Amanda is the CEO and Founder of the Dallas Girl Gang, and let me tell yah.. she knows a thing or two about events, community building, and brand partnerships. On a mom-to-mom personal note, she's been a real inspiration for me as I've been diving into building my own Made for Mothers community this past year.
Amanda's journey to entrepreneurship wasn't exactly planned. A former elementary school music teacher, she stumbled into business ownership by accident. Back in 2017, when she first landed in Dallas, she was on a mission to connect with like-minded women. So, she started the Dallas Girl Gang Facebook group, and well, let's just say it's grown a bit since then—42,000 members and counting!
And get this, you don't even have to be in Dallas to get in on the action. I'm proof of that!
Today, Amanda and I are chatting about the nitty-gritty of building and maintaining a thriving community. We'll cover everything from reaching out across platforms to nailing those brand partnerships, and even finding your footing in the chaos of motherhood.
Amanda's real, she's honest, and she's got some serious wisdom to share. So trust me when I say, if you're looking for a supportive community like the one she's created with DGG, you're in for a treat. Oh, and don't forget to mark your calendars for her upcoming conference this September 2024—it's gonna be one for the books!
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Connect with Amanda on Instagram @amandasindallas and dallasgirlgang
The Ultimate Guide to Landing Brand Partnerships
Learn more about Amanda and the DGG community by visiting her website
Connect with me on Instagram
Learn more about booking a Biz Therapy session and working together by visiting my website
Hey I'm Mariah. I'm a Boy Mama, the very PROUD founder of Made for Mothers, obviously a Podcast Host, and a Marketing and Business Mentor for Moms. I offer Biz Therapy Sessions. Unlike traditional business coaching, this is a space where the whole person is honored, motherhood is celebrated, limiting beliefs are uncovered, messaging is prioritized, niches are defined, roadblocks are clearly identified, systems are taught, marketing is simplified, and the support is a month long. 1 x 90-minute session + 30 days of Voxer support.
Hello and welcome to the Made for Mothers podcast, your one-stop shop for candid and relatable conversations about motherhood and entrepreneurship. Think of the show as your new mom friend, where we dive into all things marketing, branding, mindset, money, childcare and growing your business while we all navigate our roles as both CEO and mom. I'm your host, mariah Stockman, and I wear a bunch of hats. I'm a boy mama, I'm serving as a marketing mentor for mothers, I'm running a six-figure marketing agency and, on top of that, I'm the proud founder of the Made for Mothers community. This show is about sharing the real stories and the practical strategies from fellow mother-run businesses. So dive in, grab your headphones, reheat that coffee and let's go.
Speaker 1:Hello, hello, hello and welcome to another episode of the Made for Mothers podcast. I am your host, maria Stockman, boy mama, biz mentoroms in Business Community, founder of the Made for Mothers Universe and big, big fan of our guest today, amanda Smith, who is the CEO and founder of the Dallas Girl Gang, which, if you don't know about the Dallas Girl Gang, let me tell you they are. First of all, they're a Facebook group with 42,000 members, like active live members just loving up each other in Dallas. Okay, it's a community for women looking for friends, career, business building, connections through events and online membership. Hey, hey, community, and Amanda is an expert in all things events, brand partnerships and community building, which we are just going to dive straight into it.
Speaker 2:Hello, amanda, Hi which we are just going to dive straight into it. Hello Amanda, hi, hi, thanks for having me. I'm so excited and I'm a big fan of you, so really glad that we're getting to do this, and I'm even sporting my mama sweatshirt. My mom had this made out of baby clothes that don't fit my baby anymore.
Speaker 1:Oh stop.
Speaker 2:Okay, isn't it so cute.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't fit my baby anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh stop. Okay, isn't it so cute?
Speaker 1:okay, I wish everyone could see this but it's like so cute, I know I'll take a picture. Oh my gosh, that's so cute and I will. I really what I should have mentioned? Obviously you're a mom, or else you wouldn't be on this podcast you had your. I mean not just, but I mean you kind of like just just had your first baby. I mean, how old is, how old's your babe today?
Speaker 2:uh, nash is almost 14 months it's so I still say I'm a new mom, but it feels like it and it also doesn't.
Speaker 1:But yes, I feel like that. First 18, once you get past, like the 18 month mark, I think it just everything changes it just feels like it's, it's on, I don't know. Zero to one is so long and so hard and so slow. And then one to two for me, because my son just turned two was like a blink of an eye, was like so fast so yeah, what I'm anticipating yes, okay, but you know, what's so funny about having you on this podcast is I think I joined your.
Speaker 1:I'm not in Dallas. Yeah, news, newsflash, newsflash. You've never met me in real life. I'm not in Dallas. Okay, somehow, some way, the universe brought your content in front of me. When was Dallas Girl?
Speaker 2:Founded. We are going to celebrate seven years, so 2017.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I must have found you early, when I first moved to DC somehow, because I think I've been in like your email newsletter for like five years and I've been following and watching.
Speaker 2:I know, isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1:But get this.
Speaker 1:I only launched my first my own community this past year and I can't even begin to tell you I was like, oh my gosh, I can't wait to reach out to Amanda Smith at some point in my career and just tell her and honor her, like tell you right now how inspiring it is to watch you build what you've built in Dallas, because I can just feel the energy from someone who's not even in that community, you know, and it just feels so good and I feel like every community needs, you know, in my mind a made for mothers and in your mind a Dallas girl gang which is just like this village concept, like growing a business is hard in my world.
Speaker 1:Being a business and growing, being a mom and growing a business Same with you, it's hard. Right, you have so many young entrepreneurs who are just entering the scene. They don't know what they're doing. They need, we need so much of so much and I feel like you've just hit this niche and you've like it's like exploded and I know it's a lot of work, so let's get into it. But tell us a little bit about you and life and kind of like from your perspective what is dallas girl gang and all that good stuff?
Speaker 2:yeah well, um, you know, make me blush. That was very sweet and and really, dallas girl gang. So in 2017 started it as a facebook group and I just wanted friends too. I I was doing a networking, a network marketing business at the time and I wanted to network and yada yada. There were no communities like this. In DFW, in our Metroplex, there were pockets for real estate agents who were like you know, if you're a fashion blogger or you know the different like niche groups.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tech or whatever, yes, or you know you're in marketing and things like that or you're in like a bni, or you're in the chamber.
Speaker 1:You know kind of the more traditional stuff more traditional route.
Speaker 2:But I was a teacher, like I was a music teacher in elementary school. I you know, I wasn't a corporate gal, I wasn't a girl wearing suits and heels and yada yada.
Speaker 1:So I was like you mean you weren't taking? You weren't taking like brand photo shoots, you weren't absolutely not.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not. I had no idea what I was doing and so I knew I wanted to connect with people. There wasn't anything like this. There wasn't anything, for, um, what I imagined in my head was where's the place that women can just land, like, regardless of like their job, their background, blah, blah, blah. And now really, what it's become is a place where one.
Speaker 2:I was just talking with my team about this yesterday uh, women that are graduating from college, because we were talking about how our demographic has changed and the millennial demographic has grown up with me over the past seven years. We're still here, we're still targeting those people, but we do have outliers. And now it's this gen z of they're watching us, they're graduating college and they're like what the fuck do I do next? Right, and I need to know where do I get a job? What should I do? Should I freelance? Should I get a corporate job? Should I start a? And so it's been so interesting to see that. But that's just like a snippet of Dallas Girl Gang or DGG. I'll just shorten it. And I've always been a community driven person. I grew up in church, still involved in church. I think that whole scene has really seasoned me to be able to know how to facilitate community and groups of people and programming and intentional community culture which I'm sure we'll get into.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, wait, can I just tell you that I love that Because I was a summer camp counselor for seven years in Michigan. I would fly from California to Michigan in my 20s I mean in my, you know, 18, 19, 20, 21, for way too many years way too many years, my career. My career shows that and I always say like God, I'm like I'm designed for this.
Speaker 1:I am designed. I'm like let's, I literally start my, our meetups and I'll be like, if you can hear my voice just clap once, you can hear my voice clap twice. But I feel like what you're saying is like you know these traditional communities of church camps, like you know things that are really informative when we're younger. They've built these skills inside of you, inside of me, to be able to just like hold big space, just command space in a beautiful way. That's like not ego driven, and I think that that's like the real community building and make people feel comfortable, yes, and like welcomed and warm and like excited.
Speaker 2:And not feel like, oh, should I be here? Or like did I wear the right thing? Or, you know, are these people going to talk, to talk to me. Like it's so undervalued the skills that you grow up with, like that internship you had as a high school kid or college kid, or that job you had, like I worked at Chick-fil-a when I was in high school. That was a damn good job, like I learned.
Speaker 2:So much about manners, people manners, all kinds of things. And then going into being a teacher. Um, and I'll just share a little bit more about me. Like, my background is music education. I went to a fall school in arkansas. That's where I met my husband, graduated with a degree in music education, uh, emphasis in vocal. I I play instruments and things like that. But you have to. You have to pick one or the other um, and then I taught for a couple of years in Arkansas, came back to Texas, that's all I knew. I had no idea.
Speaker 2:My business partner in my agency, I have a marketing agency in the Ditching Styles program and we always talk about how we're accidental entrepreneurs. I didn't do this on purpose. I started a Facebook group because I wanted to make friends and I wanted a community and there wasn. On purpose. I started a Facebook group because I wanted to make friends and I wanted a community and there wasn't one. And then it evolved into a business and I did have a mentor come alongside me and things like that. But my teaching background you know, I taught for seven years and I quit at the end of 2020, in December, which sounds really fun and easy. It was.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, also, what a weird time, what a weird time being in the schools, with the pandemic and quitting and pivoting, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We bought a house at the same time. Like I really don't recommend that we did too, we bought a house in March 2020.
Speaker 1:We did too. We were like here we go yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially if you're self-employed, like I was w2 and, as far as marcus was concerned, I was still w2 and they didn't know I was quitting and so we're just gonna leave it at that. But and then after I quit, you know I've been doing this full time and that's been a whole other journey of of going through developing community, being a coach for a long time. Decided to kind of take that off the table publicly. Then I had my son. 2023 was kind of like a rollercoaster not kind of. It was a rollercoaster and a blur at the same time. And now 2024 is going well. It's still interesting, but it's also been really transformative for me so far.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I know we've got lots of other things to get into, but no, I just I love this idea of like, hey, I needed to make friends and then you know, so many years later you're like cool, I have 42,000 of them now. Like, what do I do with this? Like, how do I become a good steward of this? How do I stay a good steward of this? How do I stay a good steward of this? How do I not lose momentum? Do people still want this?
Speaker 1:I'm sure there's like so many. How do I, how do I make things feel, you know, familiar for my members? But also, how am I always going to be adding new things to keep people engaged? There's just so like many questions and so many pieces that, like my thinking taps into like community culture, like with that many women in one group. Like, how do you keep it to be not lucky and how do you keep that culture to be healthy and happy? And I'm a part of a lot of like online spaces where they don't feel great and you do feel like there's ulterior motives from the top down. And how have you kept this community growing in a way that I would hope for the members just feels good and something they're excited about?
Speaker 2:The one thing that continues to drive people to us and what we do and I say this not because I think this is what is the truth, but from the feedback we get and the data it's the intentionality of everything that we do and I think that comes from me developing as a leader and having set out with what's now our trademark. You can sit with us and just the ethos of that just sets the tone right. So that's one. Two, there are complete different dynamics in the pockets of our community. So Facebook group, it's a free Facebook group. Everybody is a part of hundreds of Facebook groups. Right, it is kind of the wild, wild west, even in 2024, I'm actually still shocked at how much we grow every month or whatever, and sometimes we have 500 new members, a thousand new members in a month or something. But I think you know facebook is different.
Speaker 1:It's not always like everybody's hugging each other and I know there's definitely shit that goes down and it's really, it's really hard to to be the moderator of something of that size like I'm just thinking from like an administrative perspective. I'm like who's on your team manually accepting 1000 new members?
Speaker 2:I mean, I know it's not amazing.
Speaker 1:I know it's not amanda, but I'm just thinking just from the pure, like administrative side of keeping a group of that size growing anyways. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 2:So yes, I'll tell you um and it's not like a secret spoiler alert my husband actually manages our facebook group. Oh my god, I love that he I am so here for this dog.
Speaker 2:He pretends to be me, like you know, and it's some people know, but it's something that has to happen it has to, it has to happen it has to be done with a lot of like attention and care, especially with our brand partners, that that's to the facebook group for building their business purposes, because they are paying for that, yeah, they're paying for 42 000.
Speaker 1:They're paying for exposure or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the way we kind of keep it, keep it clean and keep it um within our brand values, are we manually accept everybody into the group and we manually um approve every single post, which is a lot of times, wow, now we have a really like easy system down um. We also have a software that we use that funnels people through um approvals, like when they want to join the group. So if you don't accept our rules and if you don't answer all the questions, you do not get in and it's just like we just delete it and you can resubmit later?
Speaker 1:what's the?
Speaker 2:software called. It's called group funnel. I purchased it a long time ago for two hundred dollars. Yeah, it's probably now like two thousand dollars, um, and it meant it's a one time. You integrate it into google chrome as an extension and it shows you how to set it up or whatever, and then you can collect people's emails. That's how we grow our email list as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just gonna ask you certain way you have to set it up, or whatever, and then you can collect people's emails. That's how we grow our email list as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just gonna ask you, certain way you have to set it up so that it can read the uh data when it when you, when you export it into like a cfb or something, this like life-changing for me, because I'm embarrassed because I literally manually enter like every single email address still, but I'm my, my group is so small, so so it's manageable, so it's nice to know that there's programs like this out there. Yeah, and husbands.
Speaker 2:And husbands. I did that for a long time by myself and then eventually I trained someone else to do it and then once I found the software, I was like, oh, do this, we're just going to get this. And then it was more of the management of watching for flagged content or reported content and of watching for flagged content or reported content, and we have certain rules of what you can submit as a post If you're selling your dog. No Plus, that goes with Facebook guideline rules. We just have a guideline list of what we want curated in this group, and obviously we have a lot of entrepreneurs in our community. I would venture to say up to 55%, 60% now of our community is entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2:But we don't just let you post about your business right, because that is not the best way to grow. Your business is to build relationships with people right. Go up at events, join other online platforms, join our membership, the founders collective, like things like that. Anyway, yes, my husband runs it. So facebook group is a whole world social media well, basically social media, but like instagram, tiktok, whole other kind of set of people potentially um, in some regard, because the the truth is, not everybody is in our facebook group, not everybody follows us on instagram. Not everybody follows us on tiktok, for sure not everyone's on our email list and not everyone comes to events.
Speaker 1:yeah, no, no, absolutely, you're like my life would be a lot differently if everyone was coming to events, if everyone was coming to events, I would not be working today Like I know, okay, wait, wait. You were just going to say something really interesting. I don't even know what you were just about to say. Oh, and you were like oh, but if you were to do it over, what were you going to say? If you were to do it over?
Speaker 2:If, I were to do it over, I would have started my email list from day fricking one, because I didn't, and there are so many people that flip through that may have rejoined our email list like later.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:But it is so hard to go back and try to pull those people in your email and it's very difficult to like well, follow us on instagram. Hey, go join our facebook group or you're in our facebook group, go follow us on instagram. Getting people to go take action outside of a platform is very difficult. Yes, a lot of people these days, even millennials, like they don't get on facebook or I mean I'm like. So we have four interns right now. They're all college age. One of them had to like make a facebook account. I know they can come in and support and moderate.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god I know, but so it's just different.
Speaker 1:But if I had to do it over again, yeah, and yeah, starting with the email, I mean it makes so sense. It makes so much sense, especially because while we're recording this podcast it wasn't that many weeks ago or whatever that like Instagram and Facebook, everything like shut down for whatever 12 hours or something and causes like mass panic for online business owners. But I mean just a super big plug. I've been with Flowdesk from like so early on. I mean my pricing was like $12 a month or something like that for like five years. I mean I think it just, I think it just bounced up to 19 or something like that. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:And actually it's so funny because I think I told you that I had a meeting with Natalie Frank and Natalie Frank, who now now is over at Flowdesk. When I told her about Made for Mothers, it was so cute. When I told her about Made for Mothers, it was so cute. Like big shout out to Natalie, but like public praise for Amanda, because one of the first things she said to me was oh my gosh, made for Mothers is amazing. Hey, do you know Amanda Smith? And I was like well, do I? I was like she's coming on my podcast, but I'm like a huge fangirl, so I just love that Shout out to Natalie yes, no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so typically we do about two a month, which is a lot. In 2019, we did like 36 in a year, including our conference. Bad idea At the time. That was the tip top of what I could scale cashflow wise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that was the big revenue generator and I knew it wasn't sustainable.
Speaker 2:And back in 2019, it's so fucking easy to throw it up and like see what, gobble up tickets, no problem. Five years later, things are different.
Speaker 2:The event landscape is very different in 2024, yeah, which I could talk about forever. But the way we determine what we offer is, first, what is our community talking about? What do they need, what do they want? What's going to be a massive win for them and a massive value add to their life, to their everyday experience, to wherever they are on their journey. So, uh, one thing we started end of 2022 is a series called she means business and it is our signature business owner uh, regular programming event.
Speaker 2:We host one supporter and it's focused on female founders, entrepreneurs with honest conversations, uh, with other ceos and founders. So here in march, we're recording this. In march 28th, we have an event at a new wellness facility that's female-founded, she's also a mother and we're going to do a stretch and meditation and then have a sit-down fireside chat with me and the founder of Wesley Wellness and then have a Q&A time. But we're here to have a conversation about what's it been like to be an entrepreneur lately. She just opened this facility. She got an SBA loan to do so. Let's talk about that. What does that look like? Funding for women and then just really open it up to the community and the audience of, like, what do you want to know? Like we will. We're here to help.
Speaker 1:I'm so curious. I would be so curious for her to talk about what's it like to have like a brick and mortar wellness sort of business post pandemic where everything went online and like why do we need to go to, like, why do we need to go to a yoga studio and ever again, you know? And it's like, well, we do, we do need to go. Yeah, we got to get out of this weird energetic dust that, yeah.
Speaker 2:She also was super smart because they have a whole like corridor of the facility. That's just amenities, so sauna, cold plunge, lymphatic rolling with like red light therapy and something else. I'm probably going to butcher it, but that is a massive selling point because those things are not only trending but our society and like this pocket, especially in a large city like Dallas, women are realizing like we have to take care of ourselves. There is no question about it anymore, it's non-negotiable. So actually the first week of January this year, the first week of the year, they had this package where it was like come, do all of our amenities for $45.
Speaker 1:And I was like hell, yeah, what it's like.
Speaker 2:I know I was still not back from my holiday break so I was like I'm going to go give myself the first half of the day. My husband hadn't gone back to work yet he's a teacher and so I went and did all the amenities. One of the girls guided me through the cold plunge and I've done this before, but it's very different and it was so like restorative. I wish I lived closer because I don't really live in the city, but yeah, and so I'm a huge proponent for that, and so that's why we want to collaborate with businesses like this in dallas when we do our events. So that's why we want to collaborate with businesses like this in Dallas when we do our events.
Speaker 1:So that's one way we determine what people want. That's like a no, but I was going to say that's like a great example of like there's a need, there's a need, there's a business who wants to partner with you. It's trending and it sounds like it's a win-win. And it's your signature programming of like these quarterly deep dives, Like I do these monthly meetups that have a similar, they have a similar structure, but we do them monthly and we're always at the same venue, and there's a part of me that's like gosh, I should be like moving these around, but in my life it's like I don't have a team, so it's like no, no, no don't move around, because I've seen you know, when I I've seen you know we talked about it because that space looks beautiful, it's so big.
Speaker 2:They're like sponsoring it for free or like whatever. Like don't leave. Yeah, do not leave. Stay there as long as we can. You know, trying to find more venues is always a challenge. The other way we determine, like, what events are we going to host, is again what do people need and what would they come to?
Speaker 1:But brands want to work with us and they will bring people. Yes, okay, guys, we're now entering the brand partnership talk, so tune in. Brand partnerships, because Amanda is a skilled ninja brand partnerships and she gets asked to talk everywhere about how to create brand partnerships. Because these are no joke, these are good. Like you, this is what you do, this is what you do, so let's dive in. Yeah, go.
Speaker 2:It's my favorite thing to do. I can tell.
Speaker 1:I mean, people can tell that it's your favorite thing to do.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things. I feel like part of me was born to negotiate with people, but I have not always been like this as a person. I actually think being married to my husband has made me a stronger negotiator, which is really good. I love that, anyway. So people want us to bring people to their business, whether it's online or you're in Dallas. There are thousands and thousands of businesses that Dallas growing has the target market for and they want to tap into that. So if someone says, hey, we would love to invite you in for a free experience for the Dallas Girl Gang, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, I am not going to stop at accepting free space or free services, free drinks. Now I will negotiate hey, we already have an event and we need a space, let's talk right. But if you want me to create programming and design and full event planning, full staff, content creation, yada yada yada event backdrops and setups and activation, and then you want me to bring people to your business around, this one event, like our event experiential marketing services started at $2,500. They really should start probably a bit higher, but that is kind of a non-negotiable for me at this point In this landscape in 2024, if you're listening and you're like I want to get into brand partnerships. I'm not going to lie, it's very hard. Right now.
Speaker 2:I was listening to one of my favorite podcasts. They have millions of listeners. They've been around for 12 years. They have multiple podcasts. It's three brothers, they have a family company. Anyway, they have seven podcasts.
Speaker 2:Two of their podcasts right now are empty with ads no ads. Whoa. Their main podcast still has ad partners, but that's one of the first times in the history of their podcast that they have not had ads left still, and they were really public about that recently because the network they're part of they do a like a give drive. It's a listener funded network, which I think is amazing, and they talked about that. They said hey, if you haven't noticed, on our other podcast there's some like we just skipped right to the next part of the episode. We didn't do an ad break, and that's because advertisers are just assessing things differently. I think it could potentially change in 2025 and kind of pick back up, because I think people are going to realize oh yeah, that was kind of pick back up. Because I think people are going to realize oh yeah, that was kind of dumb. We really do have to invest in that piece of our marketing and advertising.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when sales are down, people cut their marketing and it's like no, no, you should be double down.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, If anything or go back to the people that you know have always helped you make money or have always helped you drive traffic or brand awareness.
Speaker 1:God. And then you listen to like New Heights. Please tell me if you ever listened to New Heights podcast. Nope, okay, I love Jason and Travis Kelsey Okay.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Just listen to one episode of New Heights. It doesn't matter what it is. It is like a I mean it is almost hard to listen to because it is one rolling ad Like they are like this is the energy drink, this is the Buffalo Wild Wings, this is the thing. Like I mean it is like it's almost like no wonder the episode is almost two hours, because it's like 45 minutes, 40 minutes of ads.
Speaker 2:I know, I know. Well, it's like a football game, Like you're watching three hours of programming, but it's like they're only playing football 24 minutes.
Speaker 1:But I do think that this is an interesting conversation, just around, I think, the economy and around election years in general, and so seasons of change in business and in corporate giving. I have a dense background. I was in nonprofit fundraising and corporate partnerships for a decade and it's so much easier to get any sort of partnership, sponsorship, dollar from someone who's already given to you where the new lead is so difficult to convert. That sales cycle is so much longer, it's so much longer. And so I just feel like you've tapped into something where you have this very tangible experience for a brand. And also, I mean, let's call a spade a spade. You're in Dallas, right? So you're, yeah, it's a huge hub. I was gonna say your landscape, like.
Speaker 1:When I look at your brand partnerships, it's like Olive and June, right, I see this like the nail company, right, I'm like I love them. I'm like, are they? And then a part of me is like, is that where they're headquartered? I mean, if I lived in atlanta I would be like everything's delta, you know like, get me in here. Delta's made for mothers. You know, yeah, but um, they're not headquartered there, they just have a store. Didn't you do a brand partnership with them am, I am, I totally no, we did.
Speaker 2:They don't have a store. They only have one like flagship store in like Okay, I know California. No, they put me on their influencer list years ago, oh cool. And I was like, oh sweet, so I have a lot of Olive and June products. It's all I wear. And now they're press on nails which I'm about to go put a pair on. So I got on their list and then I was like, well, what about this? You guys want to do this. And then we did like some virtual online things in like 2020, 2021. And then they just launched a line with Colleen Hoover and they did a big party in downtown Dallas.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I was like had pneumonia, I was like dying and sick and I said, hey, I can't come, but we can blast this out to our email list, so turn $0 into a paid something. And then now we're starting next conversations for hey, what else can we do here? Because we have worked together for years? There's so much synergy. You guys email us all the time like let's go, go bigger okay.
Speaker 1:So is it safe to say that it's common for you to work with brands who are not, who are just not like hubbed in dallas? Because I was under the assumption, okay, well, so cool. So I'm under the assumption that you're working with all these brands that are there.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm thinking like, wow, dallas is popping, it's both so yes, you know, I look at it as there are local businesses, small, medium or large like that wellness, like that wellness place, yeah, yeah okay.
Speaker 2:Or there are corporate brands that we have a target market for. So, like you know, think of, like a flota honey book, deb sive, blah, blah, blah All those brands are not hubbed in Dallas, but they have sponsored our conference, or they are sponsoring our conference, or because we have their ideal user, we have their ideal customer. They don't care where we live, where we are. Now, if it's a local focused business, it's not gonna to make sense. You know they have to make it make sense, right?
Speaker 1:Right, right, and those budgets are going to be a lot different. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Ok, so do you feel like the biggest leverage point for your ability to create these solid brand partnerships is that you're able to use the data piece of a 42,000 membership Facebook group?
Speaker 2:I think it's the numbers, but I also think it and this is again a piece of how things are changing Not that we ever just like flippantly, prove things out at brands, necessarily, but now you really have to paint a picture for the brand and say, not only here are my numbers, here are the experiences people are having with us, here are our customers' buying habits, here is what they're interested in spending their money on, here is what the data proves for this demographic of women in DFW in 2024. And then really align it with their goals. So you really have to get into a relationship with the brand. Let's say it's like okay, spain, you need to get on the phone Once you find a contact and you chase people down, which is a whole other process get on the phone with sandra. Let's say that's your contact name and say sandra, you guys want to work with us, right? Yes, okay, if we partner together, what's going to be a win for you?
Speaker 2:What are y'all's goals right now, besides just getting new banking customers? Like that's kind of a clear and obvious goal of why they would sponsor, they want new customers. But like, what else is there? And then I'm gonna go and formulate a proposal and a deck that serves to all those points, to where it's not a question of if they're gonna say yes and they can always come back and be like we have no more money left, because sometimes people don't communicate on the corporate teams and maybe they're not the ones signing your check and it's always a question. But sometimes it's not a matter of yes or no, it's a matter of like okay, how much?
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think you need to be able to ask the brand what is your budget? So I was at lunch with a friend of mine, christiane Yabra. She's amazing. She's in the startup space and the tech space. She's now in the tech sports space. She's just so killer. She spoke at our conference last year and several other events with us over the years and her and I were talking about this and she said that Actually I'll credit what I just said to her, because she was like it's almost like you have to really like smooth not smooth in a bad way, but smooth and say what's going to make this successful for you, because I can do that for you, but I need to know what is your number? Do you really have the money? And what is it that your boss is going to say yes to or that you're going to say yes to, and then I can put that in front of you for you to react to, and then we can just negotiate down until we sign a contract.
Speaker 1:I love it. I mean it feels so black and white, even though I know it's so nuanced and there's so much work that is involved.
Speaker 2:But it feels like.
Speaker 1:I mean it honestly, work that is that is involved. But it feels like I mean it honestly. It like it kind of blows my mind just from like my own business perspective of, like how many things that I could be doing and growing and you know, and also like, hello, we're moms. We're moms. So maybe we should talk about that on made for mothers podcast. We're moms. So like, where does that? Like, where does all of this like big dream, big purpose, big vision, big passion, big energy for entrepreneurship? Like, where does all of this like big dream, big purpose, big vision, big passion, big energy for entrepreneurship? Like, where does that meet? Like you in motherhood? Like where, where have have you experienced those big shifts of? Like listen, I don't have the same capacity right now. You know I don't struggle with limiting beliefs. That's just not my, that's not my personal like mocktail of, like self-deprecating thoughts Sure, yeah, Sure you know I have other things right.
Speaker 1:You know I procrastinate. I might have ADHD. I'm finding out as an adult, okay cool.
Speaker 2:Yay.
Speaker 1:Fun stuff, okay, but I don't have the same capacity. I'm two years into motherhood. I don't have the same energy. I have the fatigue. We probably talk about hormone health on every single fucking episode, but it's a true, it's a.
Speaker 1:So I really resonated what you were talking about with that wellness piece, because what you were saying is, like God, everyone needs to take care of themselves. Like, yes, that is yes. And mothers times 10. Right, and we are never first on the list, we are last on the list, we're the last to be taken care of.
Speaker 1:So my question for you is basically what I'm trying to say here is your business to me from the outside is huge energy output. It's hugely community facing. It's very outward facing. There's a lot of behind the scenes admin stuff, running teams, running a marketing agency, running the membership, blah, blah, blah podcast coming back, okay, all of this. However, that's such a big energy out that you're putting. So where does that motherhood piece, where I know you have to be tired, like I know you have to be like gosh, is Nash going to sleep all night? Like, oh, his childcare is you know? Is he going to be sick? Like, what does that look like for you? Like, what's that landscape of? Like motherhood and dallas girl gang? Or motherhood and amanda, right, oh, my god, I know, right, a?
Speaker 2:large question. I will try to answer in under like three, under three hours, under three hours, excuse me. So grab a drink, oh my god. First of all, nothing is hardly ever what it seems online. I think one thing I've discovered lately Amen, here's the thing, what you just told me. You perceive my brand to be. You perceive Now the energy output.
Speaker 2:Yes, whatever you're perceiving, you might think this, and actually the last year has been a struggle. I stopped coaching. That was a huge revenue stream, but I knew I didn't have the capacity for it anymore. I didn't have the capacity to write a book. One-on-one clients do a group coaching program. There was one time 2021 and 2022, I had 13 coaching fights at one time. It was way too many. And now, with it, profitable, it's a fucking movie, yeah, and I'm kind of like what am I doing? So what you see is the big vision and the mission of what we're doing. And you know, by no means are we a million dollar business, by no means are we even a half million dollar business or even close to it. So I just kind of want to like put that out there first. It still means big things, big movement, all that stuff. To your point about motherhood. I knew I would have less capacity, but I didn't realize how much I know.
Speaker 2:Really what it would look like when it came down to it. I had put aside some savings before, I had my son in my business and I wanted to take a full three months, ended up taking about 10 weeks off for maternity leave for myself.
Speaker 1:Kind of hard. Yeah, yeah, I had him January 26th.
Speaker 2:I went back first week of April. So not great, I mean not the worst but not the best right. I was very, very thankful and blessed that I could do that, yeah, especially as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1:I mean, it sounds like your husband has a tradition. Did your husband have paternity leave? No, he's a teacher, absolutely not. Oh yeah, and you're like in Texas, right, they like hate moms. Sorry, excuse me, no, don't say that.
Speaker 2:Well, I know.
Speaker 1:No, this is like a national thing thing I know it's, it's, it's for sure. I should take that back.
Speaker 2:Emily edited it out. No, I'm just kidding. No, but I will say so when I was a teacher if I'd stayed a teacher, I would have had to save all of my days that rolled over If I wanted a paid maternity leave. For most educators in this country, if you want a maternity leave, you can take it legally. You have to be able to but you have to file for FMLA, which just means you get 66% of your regular paycheck for every day and your regular paycheck is so disgraceful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Now where we live in Texas. It's above, above the state average, so that's good, but it's still not like amazing. And we know, you know, my husband is amazing at his job. He is so good at what he does, he freaking loves what he does. So there's a question of like, oh, you need to go get another. He's always worried about the conversation.
Speaker 2:But as a mom, the capacity conversation. But as a mom, the capacity of not only being a mom and then having a business that I'm trying to keep running and keep paying myself full-time and pay contractors and manage a team. And then, oh wait, I actually started a marketing agency like a psycho. What am I doing, right? I kept my son home for 13 months, full time, no daycare. I had a babysitter come probably six months, six to eight months out of that, but she would only come six hours a week. That's all we could afford at the time and she was 20 an hour and I was like, oh my god. But it was like perfect, the way it all worked out. Yeah, and our agency is doing really well and picked up. So, frankly, what I'm making from our agency is now paying for daycare and he's now.
Speaker 2:Thankfully, thankfully. Thank the Lord, otherwise we'd be fucked.
Speaker 1:Otherwise.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm just laughing because it's like, thankfully, this huge other business that I started and all the revenue that I get from it, or all the profit I make for it, can just cover the child care bill. I mean, like that is just so terrible. I mean it's just terrible. I'm so glad you have that, Don't get me wrong. So I know exactly what you mean. It's so terrible that I have moms who are like I have to pay for childcare to come to a meetup and then I started getting corporate sponsors to get scholarship seats because I don't want a mom to ever be like I can't afford a $47 meetup plus a $25 babysitter, plus the time. I mean just the access is so sad to me.
Speaker 2:I mean, and I'll be like super transparent, because everybody knows how much childcare costs. Ours is $1,000 a month and for where we live that's pretty average actually, and everywhere around here-.
Speaker 1:Because he's in daycare now.
Speaker 2:He's in daycare now yeah. Everywhere we live right now doesn't offer part-time anymore.
Speaker 1:I know that's hard.
Speaker 2:Let's do three days a week. I can do three days a week, like after keeping him home for a year. I'm like anything Like. I mean that's that's.
Speaker 1:That's what I call nooks and crannies. Ceo is like a whole. That's a real skillset. That is like I can get so much done at 6. Now, do I want to work like that?
Speaker 2:no it is not sustainable.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel good in my, my physical body or in my marriage, really, I mean, you know but, the nooks and crannies.
Speaker 1:Of course, of course moms can get it done, but it's like, do should they, you know, do they have to get it done? Like, do they have to get it done? Like that, you know well. But yeah, you're saying, okay, so it's a thousand dollars a month, so, so twelve thousand dollars a year, boom, childcare, right there, for it sounds like part-time, right? No, it's full-time, oh, full-time, okay, okay, okay, which is amazing, so.
Speaker 1:But I want to go back to this point that you said earlier, which I want to just reiterate this, because I think this is like a really powerful thing. That you said is I knew my capacity was going to be limited when I had Nash. I didn't realize how limited it was going to be. How do we change that for moms? How do we change that narrative? How do we start sharing these experiences that talk less about birth and about labor unmedicated natural, talk less about birth and about labor unmedicated natural, you know, hospital, home birth. There's so much emphasis on the birthing experience for moms, right, like that's what most people talk about, that's what most people kind of hyper focus on, because it is monumental. It's monumental to have a baby.
Speaker 2:It is important yeah.
Speaker 1:But that maternity leave, that fourth trimester, that two years postpartum, those hormones, that lack of sleep that's how it impacts your marriage. How you're constantly juggling these competing demands, how you have the mental load of motherhood plus, like limiting beliefs, entrepreneurship how do we change and share more honestly about? None of us have it together? I love this trend. We're recording this podcast while this trend is going out and I'm sure you've seen it as, like social media is fake.
Speaker 1:Here's like eight things that are my honest truth that I struggle with, yeah, yeah that I struggle with Right and I'm loving it. I'm loving it because I follow mostly all mom brands, right. So it's like I struggle thinking I'm a bad mom. I struggle with. You know all this stuff. So I'm just wondering, like, what would you have wanted to hear? Like, what could you share? Like, how do we change these experiences, particularly for moms who are entrepreneurs? Because that is yeah, because you don't have those traditional built in maternity leaves, you don't.
Speaker 1:The first thing I ask my coaching clients is like, well, what's your child care like? Do you live next to your grant? Do you live next to grandparents? What's the support system? Who's helping you? You know, because it's not designed. We're not designed to do this on an Island, we're not designed to run businesses on Island, we're not designed to motherhood on the Island. And these moms, like we're both on the same Island, like, so I'm just curious. Yeah, so long long question shorter is like, what would you have wanted to hear? Or what would, what would be helpful for someone else to hear so that maybe, yeah, they wouldn't have that same?
Speaker 2:like, oh my gosh, this is wildly, unexpectedly harder or different, or yeah, I think I would have, probably before I had him, not like in a postpartum season, but before I had him, not like in a postpartum season, but before I had him.
Speaker 1:I wish Please don't tell me six weeks postpartum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll be like fuck, you, get out of here. I would have loved to have heard hey, get your dexonaronin. Here's what your schedule is actually Like. You were saying okay, here's a nap time, here's a wake window, here's another nap time, and then here's when they go to bed. That's when you can work. I'm a very tangible person, so if someone would have shown me like, here's what your schedule is now going to be like, that would have been really cool. I also I wish I had had someone tell me or give me a plan of, like, taking care of your body and your mind.
Speaker 2:I definitely had a rough season of postpartum depression. I've struggled with depression and anxiety my whole adult life, basically. So I knew me and my therapist had talked about it. We knew it was probably coming and then when it hit, it felt like out of left field and it totally wasn't in hindsight. But I mean, you can't focus on work, you can't take care of your kids. Like.
Speaker 2:I needed a lot of help and I think figuring out your priorities before you have the kiddo and knowing, like, what can my business do without me? What help do I have on my team? What help do I have on my team. What help do I have in my life, then? The only other thing I'm even gonna mention, because I could talk about a lot of different things, but my if I'm giving advice to someone, you have to get so rock solid with your partner. Yeah, before, if you are a mom business owner and you are having a baby, first time or not, and you are a full-time entrepreneur, especially, and you are paying the bills in any fashion, you have to get rock solid with your partner before. I have said this publicly and he hates it I have the best partner on the planet my husband is the fucking best.
Speaker 2:He will move mountains for me, he will move a car for me. He will kill a man like I don't care, like you know, whatever it takes, he works in my business for me. He believes in what I'm doing. He doesn't understand everything that I do, but he believes in what I'm doing. So when we didn't have child care, he would work a sleeping job at 4 30, come home, take nash all night until bedtime. So I, I and I would say all right, you know, we're trading off Shift working yeah.
Speaker 2:Shift working and now that was not sustainable, right, like we both had a moment where I was like, oh, okay, like, and we don't really fight. So it was weird when we were starting to like argue with each other and I was like, okay, time out. I think it's time for day care. You know you can't keep bringing it up. It's also so think it's time for daycare.
Speaker 1:You know you can't keep bringing it's also so it's so unsustainable for you to like mom all day like that and then go into like work mode and it's. I just don't believe that those days should be that long. There's no, there's no rest. There's no for your husband either.
Speaker 2:Well, and he's also in grad school. He teaches full-time, we're both very involved in our church and like all the things, and so on saturdays and sundays, our days will be full. He has grad school work to do, I have work, business work to catch up on. We're both at church, one of us is playing on the worship thing, someone's doing this and then we're trying to like have a social life for like our friends and our family, and and drink some water and drink and like, try to go to bed at night and it's sloppy, you know.
Speaker 2:And so we were both, we were both burning the candle on both ends and it was pretty rough for a long time. And then, you know, we get into daycare and I'm like oh my gosh, my life has changed. And then we all got sick.
Speaker 2:Really bad Right like two weeks and now go to the hospital and like you know all this stuff, but still it's worth paying so much money because I enough thinking about the other day. I'm a better mom and I'm a better partner. I'm a better business owner, I'm a better boss, I'm a better business partner, my agency, when I have more help. Yeah, like I don't even like admitting that because I'm like I miss my, my son. He used to be with me all the time but he's going to have to go to school eventually and that's how life is, so I'm trying to get used to that. Like I said, I don't love admitting that, but I think everybody has a hard time with that as a mom.
Speaker 1:Everyone has a hard time with that. We have a nanny and my son is my son's two and he's home. He's home full-time and I'm you know, I'm running in and out of my office all day. I I work only nine to two. Um, I have a nanny from nine to two, four days a week, and my husband travels like pretty extensively 100 plus days a year. He works on like an ending school shooting.
Speaker 1:So it's something I'm really really, really deeply passionate about, but I'm also deeply resentful for, because I'm like how dare you like stay home, like we need you, but then, like all these other families need you?
Speaker 1:It's complex, it's hard, it is so hard, but I love that I can sit here and record this podcast and like look out my window and see my son like playing in the yard, and I have a lot more like attachment, issues with like I don't want him away from me, issues with like I don't want him away from me. So postpartum anxiety is like I think we don't talk enough about how that can affect you for like up to five years. I mean. I mean it's not just this, it's not just this. Like you know, the doctors are like okay, well, baby blues are normal after two weeks. So I mean, if you, if you feel good, if you don't feel depressed, you know, but baby blues are normal within the first two weeks of having your baby, or whatever six weeks, two weeks, I can't remember and anything after that is like postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety.
Speaker 1:But there's subtle ways that those intrusive thoughts and intrusive ways of being creep into your motherhood and, I think, being post-pandemic parents too, like we're operating in a world that's a little bit trickier and so we're less connected. Like I didn't have like prenatal yoga, I didn't have mommy and me groups, I didn't, my husband, my husband had to wear a mask during our birth, like we were, oh wow yeah, it was a 2022 birth.
Speaker 1:He was like we had to take we had to take covid tests when we came into the hospital. If my husband had covid he was gonna have to leave. You know. So, you know.
Speaker 1:So it's like oh gosh, so so just I just appreciate, I mean into these, like, first of all, I just appreciate you as a business owner and as a mom and as a person and you know, hopefully my future best friend. But I also appreciate the honesty that you show up in these conversations, for you know your inner circle of people who know you and can support you like a if listen to this, amazing, that's like going to be so good for them to hear this and be just like future moms and see like your larger community, like everyone wants to take part in community, they want to be in community, they want to go to events, they want all these things I don't want people to lose sight of. Like there's someone leading this vision and it's a mom and it's a person and she's a human and she needs like a whole holistic team of support around her to make these communities work. Because it's not like everyone wants community, but the amount of work it takes to build the community.
Speaker 2:That's why there's not a lot of communities and then all those community hosts are like we're doing it, we're doing it, but on the back end we're like I'm so tired. I know I'm so tired.
Speaker 1:I just ran into my friend. I just ran into my friend at the grocery store, which is a big deal because I actually have only lived in this town for like five years and so whenever I see anyone out and I know them, I'm like I've arrived, like I know people, I'm a part of this community, and she's like she's pregnant, she's due in May, amy, hey, amy. And I'm laughing because I'm like how are you? She's like I'm so tired. I'm like, oh my God, I'm so tired, I'm so tired and I'm like I'm not pregnant, I'm so fatigued. I'm like gosh, I just hate this.
Speaker 1:That's like the that is usually the leading like vibe of moms these days. But I just hope that there's more honest conversations where these can shift and things can shift and at least there's just some, some knowledge base, like a deeper knowledge base, whether or not that doesn't change the reality, it's like, okay, well, at least someone told me this. I don't have a solution, no, but there's honest conversation and I think that that's part. Talk about it, yeah, yeah, and not like pretend it's not happening, right, because I think that when we, when we all think that everyone has these like picture perfect instagram lives, their motherhood and their business. It's that's not fair, that's super not fair so where can people find you?
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about your membership, but where can people find you? Where can they follow you? Talk about the conference really fast, because that's going to be coming up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Amanda's in Dallas is my personal handle and then everything that I do is linked in my profile there my our conference, dallas Girl Gang, our agency oh gosh, okay, boss Vision Conference is. This is our seventh year and really our fourth, fifth year doing it in this format September 21, 22 in Dallas at the brand new. There's a company that's a nonprofit called the Dallas Entrepreneur Center here in Dallas and they have a brand new event space Gorgeous. They've been such a huge support to us over the years. Cool, it's going to be brand new event space gorgeous. They've been such a huge support to us over the years. Cool, gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 2:And this year we're actually, instead of like going bigger and getting more attendees, we're actually capping it at 150 150 attendees and we already pre-sold some early tickets. So we actually don't even have 150 tickets itself. So I think it will probably sell out. Can't release any speakers or anything yet, but tickets will go on sale in April. Yeah, I mean, we have a guide on brand partnerships through the Dallas Broking brand. So if you just go to the Dallas Broking Instagram and our link in bio, it's right there and it's like an easy $47.
Speaker 1:I'll link it in the show notes. I've seen it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Super easy and our team included some like templates for like contract agreement.
Speaker 1:Oh cool.
Speaker 2:Like, how should you lay it out? I mean, there's so many things to talk about, but you know, just go, go find us and you know whatever. Like take off your pants.
Speaker 1:And you don't have to be in Dallas. And you don't have to be in Dallas. And you don't have to be in Dallas to get inspiration and learn, or come to the conference like everybody from all over the country comes to this conference now.
Speaker 2:So yeah, come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's on my list. I'm like, can I swing it? It's my husband's birthday and I'm like, does he want to go to Dallas? Like, does he want to go anywhere? He?
Speaker 2:wants to be like in the woods.
Speaker 1:He wants to be like in the woods on his birthday. I know he wants to always be like camping. Our birthdays are five days apart, so we're always like.
Speaker 2:I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I'm like there's a future where we just go to Europe for a week for a birthday or go on some like trip for a birthday and that's like what we do kids so well. Amanda, thank you for having me. You're so welcome. Thank you, this has been so fun. I'm like. Whenever I'm like ending, I'm always like was this just fun for me? Are people gonna be into this?
Speaker 2:no, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun for people yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:So, um, thank you again, just for you know, your time, your energy, your wisdom and all that you do to create more community. And if you like the show, rate it, follow Amanda, subscribe all that fun hustle, hustle, love this podcast stuff. And, yeah, if you found anything interesting in this conversation, send Amanda a DM and let her know that you found her through Made From Others and if you have any conversations that you want to continue to have with her, you know, I know that you're you're so gracious with like your time and your DMS and stuff, so I love it All. Right, girlfriend, thank you. Yay, you just finished another episode of the made from others podcast.
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