Champ Talk & Mixed Martial Arts with Branden Hudson

In episode 3 of Fix Your Gym, Adam Niffen interviews Branden Hudson, owner of SBY MMA and Fitness in Salisbury, Maryland. Branden shares his journey of starting off as someone looking to lose weight and eventually getting into Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) in his thirties. The conversation highlights the intense workouts that drew Branden to the sport and his passion for serving the fitness industry and community.

Tune in to hear how Branden serves the fitness industry and community with his gym.

TIMESTAMPS

[00:02:42] Mixed Martial Arts (MMA).

[00:04:19] A Struggling Town and Drugs.

[00:06:23] Living Dual Lives while Fighting.

[00:09:28] The Spiritual Aspect of Martial Arts.

[00:13:06] The Balance of Good and Evil.

[00:17:53] Owning the Roles of your Species.

[00:19:27] Self-Defense and Societal Fears.

[00:24:30] MMA Gym Expansion.

[00:26:19] Success Leaves Clues.

In this episode, Adam Niffen and his guest, Branden Hudson, delve into the significance of maintaining control and integrity when faced with aggravating situations. They highlight how martial arts can teach individuals emotional control and the ability to remain composed even when provoked. This ability to stay calm and collected in the face of provocation is seen as a crucial aspect of character and integrity development. 

In addition, Adam and Branden emphasize the significance of reconnecting with nature and the benefits it brings. They argue that being in the outdoors can help us develop character and integrity as human beings. While acknowledging that society may be moving away from this connection to nature, they also believe that there is still a group of people who value and uphold traditional ways of thinking.

QUOTES

• “There were so many different phases that I had to really overcome and work through and layers I had to had to do the work with where I realized that I wasn't necessarily in control and I wasn't necessarily the one running the show. ” - Branden Hudson
• “I think that everybody has. a capability of doing evil and everybody has capability of doing good. And I think we have to nurture both of those sides.” - Branden Hudson
• “The root word of discipline is disciple.” - Adam Niffen
• "You have to be prepared to be able to protect your family."  - Adam Niffen
• "But I do think that we have a duty to our species, and as a man, I need to step into that duty and be a man in all ways. I need to be hardened. I need to be responsible. I need to be a leader. I need to be soft. I need to be understanding. I need to be all these things, man. " - Branden Hudson

SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS

Adam Niffen

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-niffen-6baba7170/

Branden Hudson

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sbymmaandfitness/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/p/Branden-Hudson-100009946059940/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/branden-hudson-a425326a/

WEBSITE

Stride Fitness Solutions: https://stridefitnesssolutions.com/

Transcript

Intro/Outro: Welcome to Fix Your Gym, a podcast about keeping your gear in shape. On this show, we have conversations with gym equipment gurus as we share stories on how they serve the fitness industry and community. And now here's your host, Adam Niffen.
Adam Niffen: All right, here we go. Welcome to the show. We got my man, Branden Hudson on. Branden's got a lot of, a lot of different things going on. I'm super excited to have him on man. Um, you got SBY MMA and fitness, um, as a gym that you own up in Europe. You're up in the Northeast, right?

Branden Hudson: Yep. Salisbury, Maryland.

Adam Niffen: Salisbury, Maryland. Really awesome, man. And then we got, um, you got a few different things going on. We'll get into all of those things, but tell me, tell me a little bit about yourself, man. Tell me a little bit about your MMA gym and, uh, kind of what you got going on up there.

Branden Hudson: Yeah, man. Um, first of all, thank you for having me on the show, man. Um, we linked up, you know, last, last meetup that we had and, uh, definitely vibed with you very well. And, I like what you're doing and where you're going, man, and the vision that you have. And, um, you know, I'm, I'm very honored and blessed to be on, on this podcast. So thank you. Um, yeah, I, uh, I started off as, you know, just wanting to lose weight. You know, I started MMA late, you know, in my thirties, um, you know, really didn't have a background in martial arts or anything like that. I grew up like a high school football, basketball, baseball player, kind of let myself go. And, uh, the intense workouts are what I, you know, really gravitated in light. And, um, you know, kind of snowballed into me, you know, giving it a shot and, you know, competing and a series of ups and downs and in and outs and all there in between left me to, uh, you know, to, to go ahead and, and, you know, start my own gym and, and, you know, kind of be, uh, took the personal trainer route, you know, just being a personal trainer for, you know, in generalized clients that were looking to lose weight or get into shape and stuff like that. And, you know, then I would train fighters in the back of this fitness club.

Adam Niffen: And, um, when did you, when did you get started in MMA? Sorry, did I miss that?

Branden Hudson: I started, so I'm 40, I'll be 43 in April. So I'm 42 now. Um, I started when I was 29. Okay. And it was like, so if you look at Maryland, You know, people think of Baltimore, Annapolis, DC, you know what I mean? That side, there's a, there's a body of water that separates, uh, that side of the Maryland and the Eastern shore, the Delmarva peninsula. And that's what, that's where I'm located. I'm in, uh, I'm in smack dad in the middle of the peninsula. I'm in Salisbury, Maryland. Um, we're about hour and a half hour, hour and a half from the bridge to Chesapeake bay bridge. And we're about 30 minutes from the Eastern coast. So I'm more of a beach guy than a city boy. Right. Right. So our area was really, you know, 12, 13 years ago was really like green to how MMA work, Brazilian jiu jitsu, all the above. And, uh, you know, obviously the sport itself has evolved tremendously in the past 10 years, 15 years. Right. So when I started, I was just working out, you know, with a couple of guys in the back of like home dojos and sheds and karate dojos and stuff like that. And we were just kind of just beating the crap out of each other. So I started, go ahead. I'm sorry. Is that doing some street fighting? you know, that's kind of how it all starts with the guys, you know, let's do some UFC bro. And you find out how you like know nothing. So it started like that. And I, you know, I started, I started kind of getting the better of all the guys that the gyms I would go to, you know what I mean? And, um, I've always had a passion for MMA. I wanted to box when I was a kid, cause MMA wasn't really around. And, um, you know, I just, I had, I had to try it out, man. I had to throw my head, throw my name in the pot and, Um, a series of events, you know, happened and I didn't get the kicked out. I mean, like, like I did, uh, like I've seen on TV. So, um, I kept trying and, you know, started stringing together some wins and started, you know, fought for the title and, you know, a couple other things. And it just was, uh, it was just one of those, those things where it's just like, You know, you walk through one door and then a couple other doors open and a couple other doors open and never did I intend to like go to the UFC or, or even turn pro or anything like that. Um, I didn't think I was good enough to become a champion. I didn't think about none of that, man. And, um, it just, it just snowballed, man. It really did. And there was like a, like a major why behind it, you know, we were a smaller area, smaller town. So, You know, back in 2012 and 13, you know, you were still post the 08, 09 recession. We were later on everything than the rest of the world, it seemed like. So, you know, it really started hitting us more like 2010, 11. And, um, you know, just my area, my town, man, we had, you know, a little bit of drugs coming through here and kind of grab ahold of a lot of our friends and family members. We, you know, we had a lot of people were losing their jobs. Um, you know, it was just like my friends group and the lifestyle that I was living in, you know, we were dealing with a lot of like, you know, crazy things, deaths, murders, suicide. I mean, dude, our area was really, really hurting and losing. And I was, for some reason, you know, I had a lot of ticket sales and a lot of people that would support me to come see the, uh, an Owen one or Owen two amateur fight in a low motion. You know what I mean? I was the highest draw with ticket sales back then. And it just, man, it just seemed like, you know, God of the universe, whatever it is you believe in. I, you know, I do, I do the whole Jesus and God thing. It just seemed like he was nudging me and saying, look, man, you know, you're, you can go in there and get beat up for 15 minutes and give your team, you know, your, your, your talents to gravitate towards and cheer. Mm-hmm little did I realize that was just kind of like beginning of where I should have been and you know fast That's crazy.

Adam Niffen: How like how little things you just start like fighting, you know a couple guys, you know or whatever and it's not really this big deal and then it just turns into this lifestyle and this passion, you know, and it just develops into this whole Into you, you know what? I mean?

Branden Hudson: That's that's cool, man Yeah, I mean if you if you really want to go back even farther man it you know, I was you know, I was involved in you know, some criminal activity. I was a criminal entrepreneur, so to speak. Mm hmm. And, you know, myself had been one since I was in high school. And it just really got. You know, if you're an entrepreneur, one thing you're good at, you're going to be an entrepreneur and everything you're good at just should have probably used my my skills, focus on something more positive.

Adam Niffen: Right. Take that same mindset and shift it to something positive. And yeah.

Branden Hudson: A hundred percent. So, you know, that was like, I was kind of battling the confliction of living dual lives while I was fighting and people were cheering for me and all this other stuff. So, you know, once I kind of hung up the gloves the first time, you know, I was, you know, I was like a two, two, four in one, you know what I mean? I'd fought for the title. I'd lost it. You know, I was, I was never really truly committed to the developmental side of, of the fundamentals of MMA and martial arts and jujitsu and stuff. I was just kind of, I would train really hard and dedicated for an eight week, 12 week camp. And then I would be off, you know, doing my bullshit and then back and forth, back and forth. So, um, you know, I ended up getting, you know, my, my, my lifestyle caught up with me and I ended up, uh, sitting, you know, going to jail for about a year and, uh, you know, I'm a convicted felon. So then it was like, really my back was against the wall and I knew that I didn't want to go back to that lifestyle. So, uh, that's when I just like decided that I was going to do, you know, back in, um, 2015, I was like, man, I'm just gonna, I'm going to just train. I'm going to try to start my own program and train personal training class to make money and see where it goes.

Adam Niffen: And yeah.

Branden Hudson: I got, I was with a fitness club that they'd give me a chance. And again, I'm, I'm a numbers guy, man. I just produced a lot of numbers. So, you know, I had about 250 people just show up and sign up to the gym and support me and stuff like that. And I was, I was running like about 25 to 30 personal training clients a week. And, you know, I was just really trying to figure out how to rob people to pay Paul, how to budget, how to do all this stuff that I should have probably known, you know, without major access to a lot of cash. Um, Um, and then, and then that's when, you know, I decided to fight again and give it another shot and take it more serious and develop more serious. And, um, went on to win two titles. And once that happened, it was like, okay, we're getting popular. People know me. I'm, you know, it's time to start looking to, to, to expand this operation a little bit more.

Adam Niffen: Yeah, for sure, man. Um, so you said a couple of things there that, that kind of sparked some, some questions. Um, I, I recently started when we talked a little bit about this too, when we, when we met up down at the meetup in Texas, uh, I just recently started martial arts myself. And it was like, uh, you know, it's American Kenpo, but one of them, one of the. the main reasons I was drawn to that form of martial arts is it kind of has some of the traditional, you know, karate, um, you know, type of things in it. And I went into that dojo there and I saw all the kids there, you know what I mean? And they were, they had all the kids sat down, you know, on the mats and they were teaching them that, you know, spiritual concepts and things like that, things like patience and perseverance and things like that. And, and, uh, and you mentioned kind of the, one of the things that, You know you you were missing I think when you were younger is that spiritual aspect of of your training and things like that So can you touch on that a little bit about you know? You said you're a man of faith, but like how does that play into your training? You know a lot of people might look at fighting and think like oh, that's that's violent. You know what I mean or or things like that, but Anybody who's actually been involved in it knows that there's so much more to it than just that, you know, there's a spiritual aspect to it. Learning discipline in your life and things like that. So can you touch on that a little bit?

Branden Hudson: Yeah, it's funny you say that because before, you know, when I was just training as a fighter before I, you know, I got locked up and decided to open my own business, I was training down. in a few towns over at this karate dojo. And a couple of us after the karate class, you know what I mean? I would come in and I would, we would do our MMA stuff, right? My coach, my head coach, who happens to be an eighth degree black belt in Karate Jitsu, which is our style. He did MMA and that's what he really enjoyed. And, you know, he's always looking to grow his martial arts base. So I was always training for, you know, to get ready for a fight. You know what I mean? I'm training to, you know, fight in a cage, fight for my friends, fight my family and all that. Well, one day that I showed up probably about a couple of years in, you know, and I really had no want to do karate or appreciation for it, to be honest with you. And they were testing and it was a bunch of kids or they had like 50 kids in there and they were testing. And it humbled me so much because I saw like me, I'm trying to train hard and build up and do all this great stuff for a big cage fight. Right. Well, I see these 10 and 15, 16, you know, 10 year old, 13, 15, 16 year olds that are doing the same kind of dedication training and pressure that I have for a freaking stripe or a bell. And that really humbled me back then. And. you know, there was always been a couple of touches and a couple of things that would, you know, kind of remind me and nudge me in a way. But I guess to answer your question fully, you know, I've always I've always like said, you know, praise God and give it up to God and give God the glory. Right. The issue with me was, is that I thought that God gave me free will to run the show and that I was in control, right? So, you know, I was saying, you know, yeah, praise God, praise God, give God the glory, but I got this God, you know, let me do my thing, you know what I mean? Don't worry, I got this God, right? What'd you put me on this earth for? And when I got locked up, you know, that's when I really saw how a lack of control that I had. And even when that happened, I mean, there were so many different phases that I had to really overcome and work through and layers I had to had to do the work with where I realized that I wasn't necessarily in control and I wasn't necessarily the one running the show. And all of the things that I thought that I had built up and I thought that I had made for myself was really God just prepping me for my audience and for my what's to come. Right. And that's when I realized, and I think I was about three or four months in when it really hit me, that I realized that I was completely wrong about it all. You know, I'm not a holy roller. You know what I mean? I'm not a guy that goes to church every Sunday and Bible thumps people and stuff like that. My relationship with God and Jesus Christ is very strong. I'm not one to tell you that you only have to pray to God and Jesus Christ. I think that, you know, there's so much that as men and flesh, we don't know. And I think I think that just faith is just important, period. No matter who you pray to, we'll probably get a hall. We'll probably all get a good laugh. And we realize we're praying to the same woman anyway. But at the end of the day, you know, that's who I connect with and that's who I believe in. And that's what helps me stay strong. So now I realize that he's leading the way. And as long as I keep Branden Hudson's ego and long as I keep Branden Hudson out of the front and center fold as like, this is me, I'm the guy that I say, hey, I'm just the delivery of the news, of delivery of the skill, the talents and all the above. then I stay okay. You know what I mean? The minute I start thinking it's the Branden Hudson show, I get humbled really quickly. So, you know, I think it's important to have faith in all you do. So when you think about the sport that we do and the violence, quote unquote, that we do, we're all violent. Yeah. I believe that human beings are 50% angels and 50% demons, right? I think that every single person under the… We might say a little bit more to the demon side, maybe. Maybe, you know what I mean? Maybe. But, you know, I think that I mean, I think that everybody has. a capability of doing evil and everybody has capability of doing good. And I think we have to nurture both of those sides. Right. Like, you know, you know, the little old lady that goes to church every day and gives, you know, let God handle it and let her everybody and gets constantly gives, gives, gives, gives and constantly gets taken advantage of. Yeah. She'll probably find heaven, but she's nurturing her angel too much. She needs to sometimes maybe cut somebody out. Right. Maybe she needs to stand up for herself every now and then. And then you also know the family member that's a really, really good dude. That's got a good heart, really family, but he just can't get off of drugs. You just can't get out of that selfish mindset or that victim mindset. And he does some really terrible things that hurts people. You know, he's he's nurturing his demon too much. Right. I think we have to nurture both a little bit. And that's why I do combat sports, because it keeps me from, you know, especially in today's climate society, smacking the shit out of somebody, you know what I mean, is acting ridiculous. You know what I mean? And, you know, it keeps me from pulling over in traffic when I'm angry and going off, and it also humbles me.

Adam Niffen: I think the more I learn about God, the closer I get to God, and the more I develop myself, whether it's in fitness, karate, or whatever it is that I'm doing, But somebody put it to me like this the other day, the root word of discipline is disciple. And I thought that was interesting. And if you study all types of different religions, but even the Bible, a lot talks about You know, there's this warrior spirit to God and to Jesus and to the prophets and things like that. They go through such struggles in life. And, you know, you know what it's like being in jail. I've been in similar situations and really bad situations where. When you're struggling so much, this spirit comes out of you, that is, I wouldn't say it's evil, but it's it's hard. You know what I mean? You know somebody who's been through the struggle, you know what I mean? And that that that. kind of hard-hearted type of a person that and then and then from there you have to like grow and develop and become disciplined you know what I mean and and not let that get out of control because that you can kind of take that to the extreme too and and not care about about anything anymore and just kind of go crazy you know what I mean but uh but in martial arts you know you learn about kind of a balance maybe a good word for it I ran crazy a lot and got in a lot of fights and stuff like that. Once I started martial arts, that wasn't happening anymore. I walk with confidence. I don't have to prove myself to anybody or anything like that. Isn't it so funny that

Branden Hudson: all the martial arts that we learn now that we do martial arts, we never get to practice. I think the element of, you know, obviously humility is there. You know, I think the emotional control is really the biggest part where you're able to keep your control. Like, you know, you have a sport, hard spar match and, you know, somebody, you know, doing something is just aggravating. He's hurting you, but he's not, you know, destroying you. And he's just doing something. He's aggravating. He's found a glitch in your matrix. And, you know, it just, you just want to go off on them, but you have to keep that control, man. That's huge, man. It's really big when you're talking about the development of character and integrity for a human being, you know what I mean? And then like you touched on, I love what you said about the disciples of discipline. but what you also touched on with that hard work, um, you know, we get so used to sitting in cubicles or sitting in our air conditioned home and, and, and, and don't get me wrong. I love my air conditioned home. I love my home, but, but we get so used to that. And, and man was really never made for that. You know, man was really the elements of outside, you know, um, hunter gatherers, you know what I mean? Yes, man. We we've, we've had so much that we're, evolved as, as a species that, you know, has now played right into the hand of, you know, you can say the enemy, or you can, you know, start talking about mental health and start talking about all these other things. And, you know, I'm big on this, this right now I'm big on, you know, really owning the roles of your species, right? Like I'm a man, right. And I'm not getting like gender specific or, and I'm not, I'm not here to tell anybody how to live their life and what's right and what's wrong. But I do think that we have a duty to our species, and as a man, I need to step into that duty and be a man in all ways. I need to be hardened. I need to be responsible. I need to be a leader. I need to be soft. I need to be understanding. I need to be all these things, man. So it's a big thing that I'm on right now because we do see a lot of that example not being set by a lot of the men nowadays.

Adam Niffen: For sure, man. And that's actually, I was going to touch on that a little bit too. I was going to talk about You know, as soon as I found out I was having a baby daughter is when I got into martial arts. Right. I probably should have gotten into it a long time ago. But but as a man, you know. You have to be prepared. And God willing, I won't have to ever have to get into those situations, but you never know. But you have to be prepared to be able to protect your family. And most people, I would say on the planet, but definitely in our country today, if they were to get attacked on the street, they have no idea how to defend themselves. Most men today, they have no idea. They cannot protect their family if it really came down to it.

Branden Hudson: You know what I mean? You and I are, it's so crazy, these things you're bringing up, because we're so in sync right now. One of my biggest fears before I started MMA, right, when I had my daughters, right, was what if two guys, three guys attack me at the gas pump while they're in the car? In the car, right.

Adam Niffen: Take off, right? Right.

Branden Hudson: Yeah. How would I defend myself? What would I do, right? It's incredible that you say that because that was one of the fears that I had that pushed me to want to train like that as well, man.

Adam Niffen: Yeah, and it's real shit that happens a lot in our society. It happens more and more, you know, today in our culture, you know, so gotta be prepared, gotta be prepared, especially when you have little babies and stuff in the house and women around, things like that. I don't know that society is moving, a large chunk of society is moving away from that today, but there's got to be a group of us that make sure we stick to the roots of how nature was really intended to be.

Branden Hudson: And I think there is. I think there's a lot of us that still feel that, you know, a lot of those old school values and a lot of that traditional way of thinking. And, you know, there's a lot of us right now, you know, just as much as there's so many that are causing controversy and falling away, there's a very large majority of us that have I almost had enough, you know what I mean? I almost had enough of the bullshit, you know what I mean? We're getting back to what we need to do, you know? you know, it's kind of like politics, right? You got the right, far right. You got the far left, right? Then you got a group of us that are like just in the middle where I think a lot of Democratic views are good. And I think a lot of Republican views are good. And I just want to be represented by somebody who thinks like that. Right. And I don't want to get into politics. I don't give a shit about them. But it's like I think that we all can mesh and live in harmony and live together like we have been. So.

Adam Niffen: Yeah, it seems like we're so far away from it though, man, but but I've been hearing a lot of people Talk like you're talking now though lately. So which maybe there's some hope, you know, um, but um, oh, yeah, man Um a little bit more. Let's see. We might be running out of time. I don't know what we got to talking, man I don't even know how long we've been going but I try to keep these fairly short man because i'm i'm bringing on a lot of people I know they're busy and stuff like that. Um, so i'm you know, i'm not trying to do an hour or two hour podcast just something short, you know what I mean? um I notice, first of all, where can people find you? What are you building? What are you doing? What do you want people to know about?

Branden Hudson: So, um, SBY like Salisbury SBY MMA and fitness. Um, that would be my handle for Instagram. Um, you can just go right to my Facebook page, Branden, B R a D E N not O N. Um, Hudson, um, and you know, I'm all over social media. I got a podcast called champ talk with Branden Hudson. Um, we actually got a documentary on Amazon prime called, uh, the price of glory, the tailor man story that was kind of like an accident. accidental thing that kind of made through that came through. Check that out. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And yeah, I mean, building, you know, we've got a we've got a great facility here. I end up partnering with Pure Fitness. Pure Fitness is like a It's their kind of our own local franchise. We have a 75,000 square foot fitness club. You know what I mean? It's got basketball courts and gym equipment, all that. And I actually lease 10,000, 9,000 square foot, excuse me, of space from them. And, um, we have multiple programs of about, I have about 300 members. You know, we have karate, jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing, and wrestling kids programs, a whole nine. And ultimately, we'll be in every pure fitness. There's six pure fitnesses here on the Eastern Shore. They're expanding in other markets as well. So we took a real big leap. We were in 3,000 square foot over a year ago. We took a big leap. When they expanded, they went from 60,000 square foot to 75. And we went from 3000 to nine. So with that being said, you know, you, I really learned all of the business, business side of running a mixed martial arts gym, you know, for the longest time, I was kind of getting away with just kind of running as a one man operation and being able to kind of manage their signups and front desk and all that. But as we grew and, you know, I have 16 coaches on staff and, you know, I have a general manager, you know, we have sales teams. So, you know, what we've done is we're developing sales teams, excuse me. So what we've done is, um, Um, you know, it's, it's, it's a machine now it's an operation. So, um, we're working this, this year, we're pushing a year and a half, we're working on perfecting our systems and SOPs and having, uh, people and personnel in place. And then that's when we'll be expanding and kind of going into other markets. It was a great thing because, you know, as it started off as me fighting and competing, turning to me as, you know, personal training, being a coach, owning a gym, being an MMA coach, I got an opportunity with Branden Brittingham, he's a part of our group that we're in Apex. He offered me a position to coach and recruit real estate agents. I didn't know shit about real estate when I started, but he saw the mindset and he was actually a guest on my podcast. That's opened me up to do public speaking and do some other things. I've talked to schools, I've talked to companies and things like that. So it's, it's, it's really interesting. I've, I've gotten to the promoter side where we've put on some, some, uh, shows, we've got a TV deal out of that and other things that we've done here locally. So it's, um, it's just interesting where we started and where we're, where we're going. And, you know, ultimately we'd like to be in, you know, a hundred pure fitness across the country, you know what I mean? And have that opportunity for you to be able to train and do mixed martial arts, you know, kind of in more of a, of a, of a, family type of setting opposed to just like a, just like the MMA gym. You know, a lot of, a lot of these MMA gyms are just focused on really just like fighting and competing and who's got the best this and that a third. And I'm more about giving everybody the experience. I believe that the fighters and the programs and the things like that will, will emerge through numbers. You know what I mean? So, um, that's, that's what I'm looking at to do in the next two to five years.

Adam Niffen: Cool. So pure fitness is that, so that's the health club that you're kind of teaming up with. All right. And are they expanding throughout the.

Branden Hudson: Yeah, we have, they have six facilities here on the Eastern shore.

Adam Niffen: Look like a big place. You were showing me some, some pictures, I think maybe on the website or something when we met up.

Branden Hudson: Yeah. Yeah. There, there, um, well that, that was just my facility that I showed you that, that video. Yeah. That was the upstairs. So there's a whole nother, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of like the, the valleys of the LA fitness model. You know what I mean? Huge, um, all class things like that. So they've got six, six gyms here on the Eastern shore, which everything is within, you know, less than an hour driving distance. Um, Um, they're looking to go across the bridge here, uh, the next week, they've got a couple of gyms that they're finalizing there. Um, they've got a couple of gyms are working on it down in Florida and then they'll be going everywhere. So there, there are 20, 25 years in the game. You know, they've got their systems and processes mapped out. They're great. Uh, the owner, the owner's a good, one of my best friends, which doesn't give me any kind of, uh, any kind of help on, on, on, in the end, but he's a great mentor. He shows me, you know, a lot of the things that I don't see as a businessman, you know what I mean? And I, you know, that he does, and especially on the gym side. So, uh, you know, success leaves clues, man, and they, they've got it mapped out. So I just, you know, I, I tailor model their, their ways of doing things as far as how they do business. And, um, we keep it consistent with the brand recognition and, you know, SPY and pure fitness have been a great relationship here for the past, uh, 45 years, excuse me.

Adam Niffen: Nice, man. Very cool, man. I really like everything you have going on. Uh, cool stuff. So, um, champ talk, is that what you're, you said you're rebranding? Is that still going to be the podcast name? Are you going to do something?

Branden Hudson: Yeah, it'll be champ talk with Branden Hudson. We've got a new studio. We've got a new look and just, you know, we're just kind of, kind of upgrading a little bit from where we went, you know, where we were. Um, we had a good run. I got about 90 episodes. They're on Spotify. Um, Apple Music and the videos of them are on my Facebook page and YouTube channel. So we haven't uploaded them all to my YouTube. That's kind of a new thing for me. Yeah, it's kind of confusing.

Adam Niffen: Yeah, for sure.

Branden Hudson: Yeah. To get dialed in with that.

Adam Niffen: Cool, man. Appreciate you coming on. Always good. Look forward to seeing you again. So, um, yeah, man, I appreciate it.

Branden Hudson: Thank you so much, brother. Like I said, it was an honor to be on.

Adam Niffen: Absolutely.

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