Ep. 21 Unveiling the Cosmos: A Deep Dive into the Mystical and Mundane - Jana Roemer

In this episode Lisa and her guest Jana Roemer go cosmic. Jana  is an adept practitioner with knowledge in astrology, yoga nidra, and frequency healing. 

They delve into the significance of grief, the revolutionary impact of frequency healing using a device called Healy, and the role of astrology in personal healing and understanding. Roemer shares her personal journey through the loss of her mother, her exploration into astrology, and how it found her instead of the other way around. 

The discussion also touches upon the concept of simulation theory, the importance of mental health in contemporary astrology, and the transformative potential of understanding ourselves as energetic beings. The conversation ends with a discussion on the Healy device’s role in healing physical ailments like eczema and the power of quantum computing and internet in shaping our future.

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00:00 Navigating Grief and Embracing Love

00:33 Introducing Janna Roemer: A Cosmic Journey

01:15 Astrology, Healing, and the Power of Frequencies

03:22 Janna's Astrological Journey and Insights

04:39 Understanding Our Cosmic Imprints

11:43 The Revolutionary Impact of Astrology on Personal Healing

21:33 Astrology's Role in Shaping Our Reality and Future

31:53 Quantum Computing, AI, and the Future of Humanity

36:49 Harnessing Inner Power for a Better Future

39:58 Diving Deep into Quantum Physics and Simulation Theory

41:17 Exploring Ancient Wisdom and the Game of Life

42:25 The Power of Reflection and Self-Discovery in Modern Times

43:48 Understanding Our Role as Co-Creators in the Simulation

44:49 Navigating Relationships and Reality within the Simulation

45:28 The Liberating Perspective of Simulation Theory

49:58 Grief: A Deep and Personal Journey

52:38 The Transformative Power of Grief and Compassion

55:16 Confronting Global Challenges with Compassion and Understanding

01:01:14 Harnessing Technology for Healing and Self-Discovery

01:10:30 The Future of Meditation and Astrology Apps

01:11:57 A Call to Action Against Corporate Greed

01:13:48 Reflecting on a Galactic Conversation

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jana 0:00

and there was a part of me that like contracted into not wanting to love that much because the pain of loss was so much. Um, and also my pain making it me unavailable to connect with her. Hmm. And. You know, I'm about seven months out now from when she passed and the first three months I was free falling into grief, I didn't put any blocks or barriers.

Lisa 0:44

Hey guys, Lisa Dawn here. So in this week's episode, we go in cosmic when we finish recording. I was literally buzzing with excitement, energy, and a deep reverence for all of the things we as humans know, and all of the things we have yet to discover here on earth and beyond. Why? Well, today we have Janna Roemer on the show. Janna is an adept practitioner whose knowledge spans the expansive fields of astrology, yoga nidra, and frequency hacks with a device called Healy, which utilizes frequency to communicate directly with the biological frameworks of our bodies. I also have a Healy and I love it. So we get more in depth on that later on in the podcast, but also on the show, we peel back the layers of the observable sky and go on a journey through the lens of space. Celestial Movement, the Spiritual Significance of Grief, and the Revolutionary Impacts of Frequency Healing. Janna and I talk about astrology as a bridge between the cosmic and the personal, how knowing our unique imprint impacts healing and the profound depth that can be found there. We get into sorrow, grief. Lost as a gateway for deeper connection and touch upon the concept of simulation theory, a notion that spans ancient philosophies and modern quantum physics alike. Yo, we go into the importance of directing our attention, using our language and being the guiding light for new emerging technologies such as AI and our ability to influence reality. Abra, Cadabra. Jannah Roemer is a midwife to awakening. She is a mystic who appreciates science but also honors her intuition. She is a rebellious provocateur. She often speaks of the things that are left unsaid and has learned to be comfortable in discomfort. She speaks through the lens of astrology, yoga nidra, and healing. She combines star wisdom with embodiment practices and frequency hacks. So without further ado, please welcome the fabulous Jana Romer to the show. Hi, Jana. I'm so excited to be on with you today and have this chat with you. The astrology of the times has been lit. Well, for me, anyways, this last full moon had me not sleeping, which is kind of normal for me, um, but also full of passion and intensity, feelings of restlessness and also some digestive stuff.

jana 3:53

Yeah. That makes sense. All the things. All of that makes sense. Check. Check. Check.

Lisa 3:59

So I'm also wondering, Janna, where are you joining us from today?

jana 4:03

Oh, I'm currently in Nelson, British Columbia. It's a little kind of out of the way mountain ski town.

Lisa 4:10

Oh, I know the place well. We used to, um, journey to the Slocan Valley, uh, once a year. So it's kind of in that area to visit some friends that are living off grid. Beautiful area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really a special spot. Yeah. And I'm in Alberta, so not, not, not that far away.

jana 4:28

Yeah. I lived there for years. Calgary

Lisa 4:30

Edmonton. I did it. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So I'm wondering, how did you find yourself? in astrology and how has that helped you along your healing journey?

jana 4:44

Yeah. I, you know, I, I've answered this question so many times going to try and answer it a little bit differently because if people are listening, they're like, what I've heard this a million times and all of the perspectives are true. Um, but I would say that astrology found me. More than I found it. Like I'm a bit of an accidental astrologer. It was never something I set out to do, but I've always had from the time I was a little girl, a natural attraction to the sky. And it's always been where I go. And I was really fortunate to have grown up in Saskatchewan outside of a small town with very minimal light pollution. So the sky was available to me my whole life. And as much as I have lived in big cities like Venice beach and, you know, Calgary and Edmonton, I've still always made a point of having access to the stars. There are few things I love more than laying out on the earth with a wide open sky of stars. I knew that that came to like learning about constellations and then watching the moon phases and just seeing in my, in myself how it affected me. Um, and, uh, I remember a girlfriend of mine had her boyfriend move in with us at one point and he was an astrologer and he read her chart and I was floored. I was like, what is going on here? You know, before that I had a girlfriend who was obsessed with that big book birthdays. Do you know which one I'm talking about? I think so. Yeah. She would like study all of her friend's birthdays and it was like her party trick, like, what's your birthday? Oh, you're the day of blah blah blah blah blah that that also was an influence, but really I started to go more into astrology as I was teaching yoga and theming classes. I was an Anasara yoga teacher for a long time and we always had to theme our classes and If you're teaching like 16 classes a week, you know, coming up with themes all the time became challenging. And so I had theme on the new moon or the full moon or the equinox or the solstice or significant astrological events like eclipses, or, you know, um, as I would hear things and read blogs about it, I would start to bring that into class as inspiration.

Lisa 6:57

And

jana 6:58

then I just started studying. I just started, it just got interesting. You know, once that door was open.

Lisa 7:04

Yeah, it's so expansive and so accurate in so many ways.

jana 7:13

Yeah. Yeah. And, and what I found really fascinating was I, like I just said, I was part of the Yonasar yoga community and if anybody knows the history there, John Friend kind of tumbled down a hill and like off a pedestal and, um, at that same time, I didn't have any real local teachers You know, I didn't have like a teacher and I shifted my, my studentship to the stars and it was so consistent and you know, they can't fall from a pedestal. I mean, there's falling stars, but that's a little different than, you know, somebody falling from grace. And so it, it like very quickly shifted into something that I can trust.

Lisa 7:54

Hmm. And what are your placements? Like what are, what's your sun and moon and rising, you know,

jana 8:00

popular the three, the three big ones in tropical Western astrology. I am a Libra double Virgo, but my son is conjunct Pluto. So no matter how you put it, I'm very Scorpionic as well. Ah,

Lisa 8:14

yes. Yeah. I just was on a call yesterday with a fellow Scorpion. My rising is Scorpio and I have a Venus in Scorpio. So the intensity of going deep and really connecting with the parts that a lot of people feel are scary just comes really naturally to me. I'm like, yep. Let's go in there. Ain't nothing too deep. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

jana 8:38

I have Mercury and Venus and Uranus conjunct in Scorpio in my third house. And I don't even realize when I'm moving into uncomfortable territory, 9 percent of the time people are like, you're so inappropriate. I'm like, what? You're like, what's that inappropriate? No. Talk about this. Can't we be like, you're offensive. You're inappropriate. I'm like, Oh shit. I guess I need to. figure out that Scorpio, like where does the Scorpio start and where does everybody else live?

Lisa 9:06

Yeah, that's so true. And then I've got my son in Sagittarius and Moon in Aquarius. So there's this I can be really tactless. At times, which has also been like a work in progress, but it's really, it's coming from this inquisitive place of curiosity and wanting to know more and wanting to know all of these details and all of the philosophy behind everything, you know, so this, this seeker energy, but yeah, even that, when I found out that there was such a thing as like a rising sign and like all of these other aspects that you speak of. Especially with the Scorpio, my life actually just made more sense.

jana 9:47

That's right. And

Lisa 9:47

it really helped along my healing journey. I was like, Oh, all of these intense things that have happened throughout my life, these deaths and rebirths and me becoming this chameleon of, yeah, the cycles was all written in the stars. And I find that absolutely fascinating.

jana 10:07

Yeah. I think that's the number one. goal I have any time I do a reading is to help people become more okay with who they are through the pure validation of what's written in the stars, you know, like most people feel so validated. And in the ways that society misunderstands us, it often creates confusion in our system.

Lisa 10:36

Like,

jana 10:36

wait, but I thought, but hold on what I'm not allowed. You have to behave. How now? And then you read the chart and you're like, Oh no, no, no. It's my role to be a provocateur, or it's my role to ask the tough questions, or it's my role to be. Seeking truth, you know, or, or my emotional embodiment is quicker than other people, or I take longer to process emotions, or I need a lot of communication, or I don't need communication. I just need time by myself or, you know, it's all there. It's all there.

Lisa 11:05

Yeah, absolutely. And then, what is the role in transcending all of that? Um, that's been on my mind, um, as of recent because, we have in each sign it's kind of like human design as well. We have these shadow aspects and then we have the gift and then we have the city, and like how we're always constantly moving between these different states of like, oh fuck, I can see where I was like hanging out in the dirt there for a while when really this has been calling me. It's all, they're all these seeds, you know, calling us to, to higher truths is the way I like to look at it.

jana 11:40

Yeah. That's really beautiful.

Lisa 11:42

Yeah. And so I'm wondering how has astrology played a role in your own kind of healing journey? I know we've kind of touched on that a bit, but just knowing these different aspects of ourselves and being able to point to different areas in our life, like especially when events happen. When events happen that feel, you know, very hard, whether that's individually or collectively, it's like we have this kind of map that can point to different things. So I'm just wondering for you personally, like how that's, how that's helped, soften some blows or maybe, give you a, a little bit of a landing pad.

jana 12:24

Well, there's a few, there's quite a few ways actually, because, well, first of all, I, that Scorpio placement, I go inappropriate all the time and I don't understand why anybody would think it's inappropriate. So it's helped me to understand other people's discomfort with my ability to speak about absolutely everything. And then that helps me to gain more sensitivity before I'm like jumping into these harder conversations. I like, Check in if people want to go there maybe, or maybe save it for, you know, finding appropriateness, but also I have a Virgo stallion. So I have, what that means is I've got, I actually have five planets and my rising in Virgo. And Virgo as an archetype is highly critical, both internal and external. And like you said, like in the muck, in the dirt, that's where it goes. Um, in its city form, it's a healer. Virgo is a healing archetype. It's super pure. It's. angelic, right? Like the reason why a lot of Virgos get touted as perfectionists is because somewhere in them, they actually know the purest expression of life. That's so

Lisa 13:29

beautiful. I'm thinking of a Virgo friend right now and I just cannot wait for for him to listen to this episode. He's like, that's

jana 13:35

why, that's why. Yeah. And when it, and when we're, when we're in a distortion from that purity, it comes off as criticism, like often self criticism. So Virgo as a, on the rising, that means I'm also ruled by mercury. So my mind is incredibly busy. And when I started to understand that, that first of all, I'm high, I'm highly critical in nature where my standard of existence is. 10 or 11 rungs up the ladder higher than the average human being. Um, and so, you know, it's a blessing and a curse to, to have that in your system. And so it really helped me, first of all, to like calm that critic

Lisa 14:17

and

jana 14:17

like bring my expectation to a more realistic. And then also when I'm viewing other people to recognize that the, the critic in me is always seeking for what can be fixed, what can be brought into a higher expression, but most people don't care. So just like zip it and don't say it, you know, like, Um, and at the same time, that becomes an incredibly valuable tool when people are coming to me as a guide or as a teacher or as, um, for advice or for counsel. Um, it actually is one of the most exquisite gifts that I embody is my ability to see. See, like all of the details and the intricacies of how everything goes together. And then I have this strong Libra, which is very relational. So those parts all separate from each other, we're kind of running amok for a while. And then as I got each of them in a, in a more, in a higher octave of expression and then synthesize them together, my whole relational realm changed both inner and outer. Um, and then also knowing that I'm mercury ruled that mind piece. I put such a huge effort on understanding my own mind and calming my own mind and finding peace in my own mind. And my healing comes through the embodiment of the parasympathetic nervous system. Cause Virgo lives from the mouth to the exit points and rest and digest is the parasympathetic nervous system. Oh damn, feeling that.

Lisa 15:50

Yeah.

jana 15:52

And I also have a history where my colon would speak to me in certain environments. And I, now I have a relationship with my colon where it's a high intuitive communication mechanism because Virgo lives in the gut, right? So that's a lot of personal information. Um, but then externally, the more charts I read, the more like different combinations of planetary placements and like interacting with human beings and getting to know people through their charts. I actually have Diminished the volume of judgment that runs through my system by more than I knew could possibly exist. Because instead, when I look at humans and I look at the way that they're expressing, whether it's through fear or through love or through anxiety or through depression or through connection or however they're expressing, Whether I criticize it or not, it actually first now gets filtered through compassion, because I'm like, we're meant to be different. We all have such different roles. And just because you're different than me, doesn't make you wrong. And just because we see differently on really highly charged topics, doesn't mean that you're also not right. And, and that is. Probably the most liberating thing I've ever experienced, like I can legit sit in the room with people from across all political spectrums,

Lisa 17:16

all

jana 17:16

religious ideologies, all sides of war and not be triggered. And I don't think that very many people can say that, but that is a gift that astrology has given me. Um, as well as understanding the nature of the mind in programming, which is a whole other topic. But like, when you understand how a mind, how a perspective, or how a belief is formed through the inputs and the environment that we're, that we're immersed in, the, the, the perspective is so predictable.

Lisa 17:49

And then

jana 17:49

you take somebody and you put that same person in a different environment and the perspective changes, let's say after three months or six months or however long it takes in a new environment and their perspective changes completely. And so, you know, How I got to that point is a multilayered story, but to, to both experience that within myself and to witness it in others, I actually can't be mad at people for thinking differently than me anymore. So it like cleaned up the experience of othering. And people will get mad at me for even just saying that. Like that's the funniest part about that piece is that people be like, no, your problem. If you don't think the way I do. And I'm just like, okay, it's super peaceful over here. You keep over there and you're fighting. I'm, I'm feeling good over here. I feel clear. I feel empowered. I feel love. I feel, I have a lot more access to love. I have a lot more access to compassion. Then I used to not you, then I used to for me in the scale of that for me,

Lisa 18:53

I'm, I'm hearing and feeling all that right now in this moment because yeah, what a gift to be able to look at the wholeness of the person sitting across from you. Within all of their experiences, all of their gifts, all of their shadows and know that yeah, we're all here to show each other things, new things, and to build on our relationships to one another with more capacity to see the potential. In one another and also to point out the shit. That's not so nice to look at, you know, and so even though that side of things isn't always as appreciated. It's so necessary.

jana 19:41

Yeah. And to be able to sit with somebody without being triggered doesn't mean that let's say somebody has a harmful view or is causing harm that I condone that. It just means that that's theirs. And I'm not gonna let it mess me up because I'm more useful when I'm centered and grounded.

Lisa 20:03

You

jana 20:04

know, like, I definitely do not condone harm. I also sit on the side of fighting for human rights. You know, I also, you know, I'm the most anti war person you could ever imagine.

Lisa 20:18

Same, same. I just don't, I don't get it. I don't get it. And I never have. And I never will. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This, um, this part of me, which I also have a lot of Libra placements, I can't remember exactly where, but this want and need for there to be resolution and for there to be people to be able to see each other, um, in relationship to one another. I had this conversation a few weeks ago with, with a beautiful human being about the difference between being witnessed and perceived. Wow. Yeah. And the nuance of that, I mean, even just hearing those words, like, what does it feel like to be witnessed without judgment in all you are and then to be perceived? Like I can feel that, oof, you know, those words and, and how they can either point to separation or more connection. Yeah. Yeah.

jana 21:21

Wow. That is powerful. Yeah. That's a good contemplation for all of us. I know. Let's just think about this for a little while. I'm going to take that to my meditation student, it's too old.

Lisa 21:33

So, like, speaking of the intensity of the times, is there something that you've been doing? Mm hmm. Contemplating or witnessing that you really feel in the stars that you wish more people knew about right now, because I know there's some pretty big things happening, but it seems like there's always big things happening on this earth, so it's kind of hard to like. Pick and choose, but obviously things are quite heated right now, and there's a lot of separation and a lot of, but there's also a lot of really beautiful connections being made and people coming together. We just don't hear about it as often is the way I feel about it, but it's charged real charged.

jana 22:12

It's super charged. It's super charged. Um, I would say that if. I've really shifted the way that I want to share about astrology because I feel like I want to be participating in the astrology conversation in a way that people have something to work with instead of just like, ah, it's crazy. Cause it is just buckle up. Cause it's, yeah, it's a rough year. Um, we're on a ride all the way through 2025. Like we've got a lot going on, but having said that to. To validate what you just said, one of the most important things that we come to understand over the next two years is that we live in a dualistic reality. There's night and dark, you know, there's pleasure, there pain that this polarity is polarity is our greatest teacher. We wouldn't know pain if we didn't, or we wouldn't know pleasure if we didn't know pain. You know, we wouldn't know joy if we didn't know suffering. We wouldn't understand the day if we didn't know the night. And so polarity is such a huge teacher. And in tropical Western this May, we have Jupiter who, Jupiter helps us to understand the biggest lessons. That are going on right now. And Jupiter spends a year in a sign. It takes 12 years for Jupiter to move around the sun and some years it's broken up a bit because of retrogrades, but this time it's not, it's in Gemini for a full year starting in May. Saucy. Yeah. So the highest teaching, the highest teaching for us to understand is how to live in that polarity because there's no greater teacher of polarity than Gemini, you know, it's the twins. Right. It's the twins. It's the higher and the lower mind. It's the angel and the devil. It's the, it is the polarity and, but like you said about the city, like the highest expression of the sign, the highest expression of Gemini is to be okay. In the polarity and see what's beyond that. And what's beyond that is that oneness, you know, that it is all one, like even the polarity is born out of one. And, um, it's like that roomy poem beyond the field, uh, beyond the rights and wrongs, there's a field I'll meet you there. And that's, that's, that's Jupiter in. Um, that's the potential of Jupiter in Gemini. And so there's this really beautiful opportunity for healing. And it's part of why I've been doing that homework that I spoke of earlier. That's been so liberating for me because I see what's coming. Um, but with that understanding that we, we have a choice of what side of that polarity we want to feed.

Lisa 24:56

And

jana 24:57

what's really interesting, uh, as another layer of this is that we have, Pluto went from From Capricorn into Aquarius, and it's going to stay in Aquarius till 2044, but we do have a little bit of retrograde where Pluto is going to come back into Capricorn and move into Aquarius. And so to under, and this is all Tropical Western, I know that there's lots of conversations about different styles, but we're just going to stick with this because Tropical Western helps us to understand the current system that we live in, which. This is what I'm talking about. So Pluto in Capricorn moved there in 2008. And that's where we saw some economic downturn. You're in Alberta, you especially, you know. Yep. Right. So we saw economic, quite significant shifts then. And then it stayed there till now. So you can do the math on how many years that is. It's going to be in Aquarius for 20 years. And when it's in Pluto, it gave a lot of power because Pluto is power. It's also shamanistic. So it's power that changes and Pluto is more powerful than the ego. So even when the ego gets involved, the power of change, the power of transformation, it's a death and a rebirth like that dramatic. We often call this energy more like alchemical or shamanic energy. It's going to take you into the underworld and it's going to bring you back reborn. And so what we are just coming out of and actually still in for this whole year is this Pluto and Capricorn top down structures that actually turn abusive when power is imbalanced. I don't think I need to see much more, no matter where you sit on all the different topics going on in the world, we can all see where this is playing out through the lens that we live our life.

Lisa 26:48

Hmm.

jana 26:49

When Pluto moved into Aquarius this last time in January of this year, it went hand in hand with the sun. And I haven't really heard many astrologers speak of it this way, but I, this is how I'm understanding it, is that the sun kind of passed a baton between Pluto and Capricorn and Pluto and Aquarius and was like, here, take what we've created and run with it. And so it gave Pluto and Aquarius. It's a lot of strength with the system of power and control from top down. And what we're seeing now is we're living in this world of like highly surveillance, like high surveillance world. Everything is tracked. Big data. We're all online. Like even this call, it's being recorded, like, you know. And on top of it, it's AI, and it's no mistake that AI is just like busting through the scenes like never before, as we have Pluto and Aquarius, because Aquarius is Uranus, it's internet, it's information, it's data, it's science, it's humanity, it's the everybody of it.

Lisa 27:57

And so

jana 27:57

what I believe what we're going to see is this period of time where still the systems of Capricorn. Are you going to gain strength through surveillance and what they can do with that control, but then what's going to happen is Pluto is going to move back into Capricorn this fall, and we're going to see it go through another metamorphosis of change. Those systems and structures. And then Pluto is going to come back into Aquarius, but this time without the sun. So it's going to have a different re entry energy. And then also the different aspects that are happening in the sky. Then it's going to have a different re entry energy as well. What's fascinating to me is that this is going to happen during the U S election.

Lisa 28:40

Oh shit.

jana 28:43

I'm just going to like, let that be for a second. And then Pluto goes back into Aquarius. So it's So what I find to be so fascinating and, and is that right now, oh, and, and, and, pardon me, Mars has us in a two year cycle of war. Oh, great. Yeah. Wonderful. And so what to me is really fascinating is that During this time of war, every action we take online is being recorded and programmed into the learning system of AI, and it's creating what will be spit out in the future. And so part of my Personal mission and hoping to spread this with lots of people is to become increasingly aware of how you are programming the AI through what you're sharing on social media, what your phone is hearing you say, what, you know, like all of the ways that your words, your actions, your, your, your, um, behaviors, and even the way you're prompting AI with questions What you're doing with that, and does it align with the world that you want to be creating, or does that align with the world that we want to die? And there's a big contrast in this, because there's power in social media to have a resistance movement and to be exposing Stuff yet. At the same time, we're programming the future of the AI mechanism, which we don't really even fully understand how it's going to play out in the world. And so we need to somehow program it with more peace and more love and more unity and more togetherness. Yes. Okay. So

Lisa 30:29

can we just have a, like a pause for like a full body tingling sensation that I love that you just brought all of that into the fold because what a thing to move forward with anybody that's listening out there today and however, however many people tune into this, this episode, what a beautiful thing to put out into the world. You know, we already know that our words and our thoughts, they create things, but then to take this to another level of now this like other being is listening. Yeah, that's right. And how powerful is that to know that we can be a guiding force in whichever direction that this goes? I know that this is going to be something that I'm going to be highly sensitive to over the coming months and years because we need to start creating something a little bit different than what we've been experiencing. That's for sure.

jana 31:45

And you know, you want to go a layer deeper. I

Lisa 31:47

do. Let's go. Let's go. I'm ready. Let's

jana 31:49

dive in. Okay. Let's go. Um. So, a lot of people are becoming more familiar with frequency as a modality. That's right. Yes. With devices that are able to read and interface with your subconscious mind. We have quantum computing and quantum internet being born. And quantum internet isn't fully here yet, but quantum computing is. And we have devices, like, I know you and I both are super fans of the Healy. Yeah,

Lisa 32:21

Healy, yay for the win. And like all the other things. Right now I'm wearing my Apollo, uh, cause I love that one too. But the Healy, I could just go on and on, but go ahead. We'll get into that more. I'm sure.

jana 32:34

So what the Healy is able to do is you can put in prompts. So think of it, it's not AI, but it's organic intelligence. It has the ability to interface with your subconscious mind. So I can put in a prompt and it can go find information from my subconscious mind and show me what I'm not seeing within myself. And this technology with Healy specifically, it's very. well secured. They have a high, uh, reverence for privacy and security of information. And this technology lives beyond Healy and in many other places. And with technology, technology itself is neutral. Now imagine when that technology of the quantum internet is you're looking at your phone and your phone is interfacing with your subconscious mind. Right now I have a choice. I'm like, I want to use my device. I'm giving consent for my device to read my subconscious mind right now for the purpose that I choose. But what happens when that gets into the hand of like government

Lisa 33:45

or

jana 33:45

that gets into the hand of like authority, right? And we no longer now have a choice. Like I found it to be amazing. Um, quite a few years ago where like, if you got pulled over at a stop, Stop check, they would have to ask you to get out of the vehicle and then you'd have to consent to a breathalyzer unless they had a reason to do it.

Lisa 34:05

When I was

jana 34:06

in New Zealand, they would just be like, name and registration, please. And shove a device in my mouth, like in my face and it would, it would read me right away.

Lisa 34:14

Well,

jana 34:14

imagine being pulled over and you have a major issue with authority and it's got a device that it can read your subconscious mind and it's getting a printout of where you're at. So for somebody who's innocent, this is a great thing, right? This is great because it can show innocence. It might show fear. It might show whatever, but it would also show innocence. So in some ways, this is, this is great. In other ways, this isn't so great. Like for the multitude of people that don't subscribe to pharmaceutical health versus naturopathic health or, and if it gets in those hands and how that can be, um, played out. And so. You know, I think one of the things that I've really been contemplating is how do we have our own defense mechanism for these things? And ultimately what it is, is the purification of our own mind, you know, like it is. It, for me, it's pushing me into a greater expression of the yoga philosophy of Saucha. So I have the ability in the moment to find peace within myself. I have the ability within the moment to regulate my nervous system and come into a centered place instead of being a victim to all of my triggers of the history of my life. Right.

Lisa 35:39

Yeah.

jana 35:39

And so, like, that's the potential and a lot of people like. People will hear me say this and they'll just be like, you're nutsoid, like that is the greatest conspiracy. But actually, the technology exists, I'm interfacing with it all the time, and the reason I can see this as a future potential, first of all is how much, how clearly I can see the surveillance land in the astrology, and also how clear I can see the acceleration of technology as this quantum computing turns into quantum internet, turns into. Is the computer more powerful than the person? And if you listen to some of the boys down at Dave Davos in, in Switzerland, this is what they're moving towards. Is that the computer or the technology is primary over everything. So it's, I think we're moving into a really interesting place. So this is my, this is my thing this year. You know, you want to focus on astrologically your mental health, your mental health. There's never been a greater motivation to work on your mental health ever.

Lisa 36:48

Yeah. What I think of when you say, well, all of that, because there's so much there is, you know, the mind, our minds, collective minds created all of this. So therefore we have the power within us. The power is still there. We are powerful beyond all measure, beyond all means. That power requires us to harness things. That's right. Internally. Love, empowerment, embodiment, our nervous systems. Like there's no, there's no mistake that we're hearing so much about nervous system regulation, you know, vagal, vagus nerve, all of these things, frequency medicine. It's like the gift. And the poison are coexisting, you know, these polarities that you're speaking to. And so, do we have the power to create something different? Fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah we do. For those of you wishing to dive into the world of somatic healing and get a taste of what it's like to discover the wisdom of your body, I'm offering a hundred dollars off my signature course, reclaiming resilience to the listeners of this episode. It is a self paced five week course that teaches you how to be with big emotions and sensations. It expands your capacity for more joy. More love and more pleasure while you also learn how to access your boundaries, intuition, and build safety within your body. Essentially, you'll be learning how to harness the power of your nervous system and welcome in more clarity, authentic communication, and fulfilling relationships. In the program, we are changing the way that we perceive ourselves, our patterns and our limiting beliefs, as well as finding our unique voice. Use the code ALLCAPSFEELGOOD at checkout. And for those of you who are seeking one on one support, I also offer coaching and therapy packages and one on one sessions. I'll pop all of that information in the show notes. And now let's get back to the show.

jana 39:09

Well, and then that means that the war is, although it is definitely happening on the ground, the real war is in our mind. That's right. Because the computer is being programmed by us right now. Exactly. And as we are programming that computer, we choose what we're up against.

Lisa 39:29

Yep.

jana 39:30

Right. And so the more people that are programming the computer for unity, for compassion, for connection, the more people we have doing that, the, the less the war erupts in the long run. And you know, it, it, this, this contemplation has also shifted me into more of like a simulation theory. Have you gotten down that rabbit hole yet? I mean,

Lisa 39:53

a little bit, a little bit. Yes, but go ahead. Let's hear it.

jana 39:58

So there's this really incredible quantum physicist named Nassim Haramein, which, who I'm actually pronouncing his name wrong, but you can find him, he, I actually was so blessed. I got to sit with him on a bus ride from like a drop point to a private Dalai Lama event, um, Like seven or eight years ago. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, no big deal. I'm stuck beside this genius for an hour. He's like, what do you do? And I'm like, Oh, I, I guide Yoganandra. And I'm like, what do you do? Well, he's like, well, I'm really hoping that I can talk to the Dalai Lama about changing the way that we're teaching kids about physics in school. So that is right now we're teaching kids on a false premise, which is keeping us disconnected from reality. And I was like, tell

Lisa 40:36

me more, you

jana 40:37

know, and of course me as a questioner, I'm just like, tell me everything, but so I've been following his work for quite some time. And he's gotten to the point where the mathematical calculations, the quantum calculations of this current reality that is playing out is more aligned with a simulation theory than it is with like, um, anything else. Like it's so close to being like proven as truth. Um, whether you, like, whether that current iteration of truth I mean, I can only assume that it will, but the, the most accurate explanation of reality. And I like to simplify complex things. So this is how I see it. Um, the, the, um, like Vedic texts, you know, there's ancient texts that are like, this is how the mind works. This is this, this is this, like, here's how you free yourself. These are the pathways to liberation. Like all of that. This is the, um, This is like the program guidebook for the game of life that we're in. If we, if we metaphorically called earth a game of life, the, the ancient tax is the guidebook. It's like the, the game notes, like this is how you play the game. And incarnation, we come in and we understand that there are certain parameters of the game. And so if we understand those guidebooks, we understand the parameters of the game. But then Elsa says the further you get away from these. Guides this guides the less you realize that you're in a game. It says that right in the notes, in the game. Notes it, it says that.

Lisa 42:17

Yep.

jana 42:17

Right? And it says that in many different iterations of the game notes like the greater the separation, the less you realize. You're part of this source experience and then we have things in the in reality that is helping us to understand what it is like, um, Greg Brayden, one of my favorite teachers talks about the holographic universe, but he also shares a really beautiful story about, uh, an indigenous elder from the Santa Fe, New Mexico area. I apologize. I don't know the indigenous name of the land. Um, but the, The elder there taught him that when we had this separation event consciousness desired to be known. And so consciousness keeps creating experiences to know itself in the world. And so we have all these reflections in the world. Helping us to remember who we are, and this can start from anything from, you know, film, I mean, even precedes film in their storytelling, but in a modern day like film or I'm going to say the algorithm, right, like the algorithms that we see on social media, and this algorithm helps us to understand how the mind creates beliefs. And because it's this external experience, it's helping us to see how the mind is creating beliefs. It's also accelerating the rate that the beliefs are being created because now you're in it both internally and externally. Yet at the same time, part of the simulation theory, what it's saying is you are the creator. And so source isn't outside of you. It's inside of you. You are source. You are a piece of source co creating in this field of this earthly experience. And if that is also then true, it kind of blows up a little bit of the manifestation stuff in the ways that I feel like the manifestation teachings are toxic because I'm not totally in control of my reality.

Lisa 44:21

That's right.

jana 44:22

Eight ish billion other people co creating with me. And so sometimes my reality, I'm actually, I actually am a victim to somebody else's reality, but do I then play a victim or do I move out of that? Right? Like if I'm in an earthquake, I didn't necessarily manifest the earthquake. I'm part of the simulation where I'm located in the simulation where the earthquake is happening. Right. I didn't create the earthquake. Same within relationships sometimes or the families that were born into. I didn't create that, but I came through that and I'm co playing with these other people and I get to decide how I interface with that. So that means then that each of us are programmers. Hmm. Of the simulation. Yeah. Through our thoughts, through our words, through our actions, through our beliefs. Which means that I do have an active role in co creating where we're heading in this world. And so this, there's like so many different layers. I mean, I could go on about the simulation theory for a long time. For me, it feels really liberating. It feels really expansive

Lisa 45:32

because.

jana 45:34

Maybe this world wasn't created for me. Maybe it wasn't totally created by me, but I get to be a reality crafter in my corner of this world and through connecting connection and connectivity, whether it's through voice or just through nervous system, like the social nervous system, being in proximity with people or through the quantum and the way that I'm connecting that way, my words and my actions make a difference.

Lisa 46:03

Right. Yeah. All of these teachings. Oh my God. So many things. I'm having many mind explosions right now. So thanks for bringing in all of that because it reminds me of so many things. It reminds me of, you know, the journey of souls. I don't know if you've ever read that book and I think that's the name of it where, we have these, In between, like in, not even in Bardo, but before we come into our physical bodies, we like sit on this panel of other creators and we're like, so what would be fun to experience this time around? You know, and we plot out when different characters or different experiences are going to come into play in our lives. And we're just having a hoot up there, you know, it's like, what else can we experience? And, and in those spaces, nothing is good or bad. It's all just neutral. It's like, what, what do we want to, to be known for this lifetime? What do we want to co create with others? And it also reminds me of, some of that yogic philosophy that you speak to where. All of these teachings, I think that now that we're moving into, um, for so many people anyway, more of an embodied practice of being human, more like knowing how to regulate our nervous systems, how to be in connection with other people and all of these things. It's like everything that I do internally affects my reality. There's no separation in that way. So we can go to a workshop and do, some intense meditation or Vipassana or whatever it is. And then suddenly we come home and shit's different. Our relationships are different. People start like reaching back out. You're like, Oh dude, like, Connections that need to be mended are there right in front of your face, all of these things. So the one is in the many, and that also brings up like a course in miracles, how you, you know, we experienced the original separation and it's like, okay, well, I want to feel what it feels like to be like separated from God source, whatever, and choosing to be further away from those truths. and kind of going back and forth in connection and then also not in connection with those things. So to me, it's all kind of just pointing to the same thing. Yes. It's like, how can we know ourselves deeper? How can we See the nuance of, through the lens of discretion, through the lens of love, through the lens of self compassion, through the lens of the stars, which also are residing internally within us, through devices like Healy, Apollo, like all of these things, whatever they are, you know, because they're all helpful. They all came into existence to show us the, the opposite of the other shit that's going on.

jana 48:56

Well, and the very, um, understanding of frequency itself is so powerful because the moment, uh, the frequency changes, the expression changes. Like frequency actually can't lie. It can be the frequency of a lie, right? But the frequency itself can't lie. So because when it changes, it changes. Right. And so it's a, it's, that's another thing that's showing in the astrology is that more people are going to understand themselves as energetics and as frequency and a greater global understanding is of frequency and the power of frequency. And that is going to be coming online. And think about like when people start to understand these bigger concepts of existence, they change.

Lisa 49:49

Always.

jana 49:50

Yeah. You can't not change as you come to realize things, right? Like forget about all these big topics. Let's go to grief. Let's move into grief. No. And, and grief is like one of those things that. You don't understand it until you've gone through it and it's so invisible and, and I'm also, also contemplating is that right now I'm contemplating this, is there a mechanism in the human matrix, right? The human body, the human chemical memory, nervous system matrix, where similar to when you give birth. Any woman that's given birth. And, and, uh, like felt that pain, that, that raw primal pain of birth. And I'm not even going to qualify that as medicated or unmedicated. I'm just going to say birth, like all the ways are powerful. All of it. Um, that raw primal power, what we're given afterwards as a chemical in our, in our hormonal system is the chemical to forget the pain. That's right. Right? And then we're, we do it again, right? Like I remember after I birthed my first son, it was 25 and a half hours, like a week later being like, What was that? I'm so competitive, so this is so funny, a week later being like, I think I could do better than that. I think I could do better than that. Talking about like a week ago, I was just in the most suffering pain I've ever experienced in my entire life. And a week later, I'm like, I think I could do better. Um, but I'm debating right now if I'm experiencing a bit of a similar amnesia with grief, that is a necessary part for me to be able to actually connect with my mom on the other side, and to allow my love to flow that freely ever again. Because for me, and this isn't true for everybody, but for me, my mom was the greatest love experience I've ever had. Like, yes, I've been in love with my, my husband and with my children, but my mom was like the longest, very first experience with love that lasted consistently for me over 40 years, 44 years. And, uh, and there was a part of me that like contracted into not wanting to love that much because the pain of loss was so much. Um, and also my pain making it me unavailable to connect with her. Hmm. And. You know, I'm about seven months out now from when she passed and the first three months I was free falling into grief, I didn't put any blocks or barriers. Fortunately, I was, you know, working in a way that I didn't need to show up. I, you know, I knew that it was coming so I set myself up that I could have time.

Lisa 53:03

What a gift. That was. Yeah. Yeah.

jana 53:06

Yeah. And so I free fall into it and I napped in the afternoon if I needed to. And I had a tearful bath first thing in the morning after the kids were out the door, you know, like I, I, I free fall, I free fell into, into my grief experience to the point where I feel like. I'm unrecognizable even to myself in some ways, like I changed so much, but now there's almost like a forgetting. I sat across the table from a girlfriend for who's two months out from like her greatest love passing her father. And she was sharing with me some of her experience. And I was like, yes, yes. And I could like cry with her. I could like feel fear, like have tears coming with her, but my own experience had alchemized so much. It had changed so much that I'm wondering, is there this like forgetting that's happening?

Lisa 53:58

Yeah.

jana 53:59

That is opening up new doors,

Lisa 54:01

you know? Totally. I mean, God, grief is such a. personal experience for every person and from what you're describing, it sounds like certain aspects have been alchemized. We've been using that, that word a lot in this conversation and what a gift. It has been to even have those months where, as you said, you could free fall into the grief and be held and make space for that. Cause I think so many people don't have the space for that or don't create the space for that. And so it, it blows up or it simmers. Under the surface and you know, it doesn't have any room or any space to do anything other than just ruminate inside and like I've definitely had, um, intense grieving experiences and there is a big difference between the times that I was able to be in my grief and the times where I just could not.

jana 55:06

Exactly.

Lisa 55:07

Yeah. Yeah.

jana 55:10

Yeah. Yeah. And like, that's another place where I think we're going to be changing a lot.

Lisa 55:16

Cause

jana 55:16

I think collectively the amount of grief that everybody is experiencing, whether they realize it or not, there's so much to grieve. Like the world just changed astronomically. Inflation is at like ridiculous highs. Things that we could trust are no longer trustworthy thing, you know, like there's just so much. So whether you're actually experienced like the death of a loved one or not, there's just so much to grieve. Like there's war happening. It's like mind blowing how much grief. And I think the, and unfelt grief creates dis ease in the body. Right. It will eventually get you, you know, like, so I think there's going to be shifts in that, just that knowing, but also we can't get there till we know. We can't get there till we know before this guy and my dad died 10 years ago. I didn't have the same grieving experience with my dad at all. And it's not because I didn't have a relationship with him, but it wasn't the same relationship. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Um, yeah. And. I just, yeah, I think that, you know, Saturn, Saturn is in Pisces and, you know, a lot of grief lives in Pisces because the ending of things, it's the elder, it's the death, it's the, it's, it's the ending. And Saturn is in there rearranging a lot of things, you know, like to have a compassion practice. You know, and especially looking at all the travesty in the world, I think a lot of people are experiencing a lot of compassion and it's being expressed out as anger because they don't know how to deal with this much compassion, that volume of compassion in a way because they just like, Oh, I just needs to stop. Like what? It's unrelenting. Yeah. Yeah. And we're not trained on how to have that much compassion move through our system. And that's also mixed with grief and like, it's a lot of love. What we're actually seeing, what, what, what looks like fighting, what looks like war is actually a lot of love that doesn't know how to express itself in the most loving way possible. And so if I look at it like that, I'm like, ah, this is an expression of grief. This is expression of compassion. This is an expression of love. I can't be mad if it's. directed in ways that feels uncomfortable. Do you get what I mean? Like, Oh,

Lisa 57:54

absolutely. It feels like this idea of, what you're speaking to is compassion and love and grief turned into fight because someone, some things have been so loved and so cherished and so ruthlessly taken away on so many different levels.

jana 58:23

And if we just look at, um, how, I'm not just going to say a gender, I mean, the masculine

Lisa 58:29

has

jana 58:30

been bred or trained or conditioned to deal with sadness, it's anger. And so a lot of this sadness, compassion, love, grief, anger that's being expressed is like the patriarchy living in us. That's right. Because that's how we know how to deal with it. We're just like fighting machines. We just like express it out as anger, but what's under that anger and how can we use that in other way, in a creative way, in a lot, like

Lisa 58:59

in a connected way. Yeah. It requires actually touching in to those things, experiencing ourselves in the grief, in the joy, in the, in all of it. Um, and potentially this ability that we have to build over time to be with difficult things because I think that's one of the, the missing pieces, the distractions, the endless distractions, right? It's like a fight for our attention. And so again, we get to choose ultimately I think choice gets taken or we feel like we don't have choice, but there is always choice to choose. Especially on social media, especially in interactions, being able to step away. So many people are like, no, you got to be in it like 24 seven. And from a nervous system perspective, ain't nobody meant to be in it 24 seven. That's the shit that got us into this mess. Like taking self compassion breaks and being able to tune in and being able to look at your loved ones or like your dogs, you know, or the things that bring us joy or laying on the ground and looking up at the stars and fascination, you know, all of those elements, although they seem maybe unimportant when there's a war happening, they are the things that like connect us back to our humanity.

jana 1:00:35

Yeah. We need them more than ever. Yeah.

Lisa 1:00:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So holy shit. We just, we just went some places. They

jana 1:00:43

covered a lot of ground today. That's my Scorpio. That's my Scorpio.

Lisa 1:00:48

And I'm not going to rein you in either. Cause I love it. Uh, so thank you for sharing. I mean, Everything that you brought to the table today. I mean, God, we should probably just schedule another conversation to go into like Healy and frequency hacks, just like that stuff in and of itself. Because I know you've got a lot to say on that. And I've also got a lot to say on that because Healy has really been. Integral in my life and in really changing some things. And I haven't shared on it publicly for a really long time, just because there's been other things going on, other things that have been drawing my attention and have, um, needed attending to, but the Healy, I mean, it's just this incredible piece of technology that has a bazillion different uses for tuning into these areas that are so subconsciously wired within us that we just. There's not even awareness of it until there is, and you're like, Oh, okay. I could see how this could be playing out. You know, I was

jana 1:01:58

just with Joe Dispenza in December and his research, me

Lisa 1:02:02

some Joe, love me

jana 1:02:04

some Joe. Wow. Love that man. So he's got a massive research team. And his research team, uh, is coming through with some pretty substantial information right now. And one of the things that, one of the things that he shared and I'm, I mean, like, he's not selling Healy. He's not like a Healy. I mean, you know, this is just research on like how human bodies work. He shared that. Our cells are a hundred times more receptive to electromagnetics than they are to chemistry.

Lisa 1:02:36

And

jana 1:02:36

like just that statement alone, if we just back that up a little bit, how the body works, it's so logical. The nervous system is signaling the endocrine system. So the sequence of events is the nervous system is signaling the endocrine system, but we have a medical system that's based off of. Yeah. chemistry. So the endocrine system, but then the nervous system is still signaling a different way because until the nervous system shifts, it's going to continue to serve signal the endocrine system to behave in a certain way. So we're not addressing the right layer. When we address the electromagnetic layer come through the nervous system. That's why it's a hundred times more receptive because it's coming in a step earlier in the process and then it's changing how the endocrine system is being signaled, which changes everything from emotions to beliefs to health.

Lisa 1:03:22

And

jana 1:03:22

like the Healy, what I really noticed is for me with my grieving process,

Lisa 1:03:29

I

jana 1:03:29

actually did a whole bunch of work with my Healy during that time. And I was on that 20. Tell us. Yeah. I was on a 28 day protocol two months after my mother passed and the protocol was meant to go to the roots. It's, it's like the main program is called to the roots and the guy who created, he said from compliance, he had to change the name, but it used to be to the roots used to be called, um, the cause of all things or the cause. So it's like the cause behind all of the issues or the cause behind the issue is basically what it, what it's looking at. So it's looking at the energetics behind the expression. And the timing of doing this is so interesting because the way that he works is, first of all, you work on the kidneys and then you work on the lungs. And if you get the terrain sorted out so that there's pathways of detoxification and the lungs are working really well, so you can circulate prana through the body and the lungs we know in Chinese medicine is grief, then you can go a lot deeper in the process. And so what the protocol is designed to do is it's designed to like. Increase your bandwidth to hold, feel, metabolize, and release emotion. And when we can feel, metabolize, and release emotion, we can get to the root of the thing that's causing the commotion inside of us. And so I was doing this 28 day protocol like two months after my mom had passed. And while I was doing this protocol, I was literally in pain. Like journaling conversations with the many different versions of myself, like my little girl, I journal things. And I was like, wait a minute, this is the energy of my little girl on the playground being like, my mom's better than your mom. When people come to me with their brief stories and I'd be like, how can you ever, you can't compare your sadness to my sadness. I'm the saddest person in the whole wide world, you know? And I watched that and I was like, Oh God, I'm doing go to the roots right now. Like I'm actually in this. The embodiment of this little girl inside of me. And it was so supportive for me to actually open up and feel these things, which allowed my grief process to be in that free fall that I spoke up. But like. Yeah. I mean, we, we could reschedule and I think like yoga, Nidra yoga, Nidra is a whole other layer because that was that for me, that preceded everything with Healy. Like I had nothing to do with Healy, where I'm already tapping into all of this stuff through yoga, Nidra, through George Spenza, through Bruce Lipton, through the power of the mind and the nervous system and the Taurus field and all of that stuff. Yeah.

Lisa 1:06:05

So when

jana 1:06:06

Healy came in, it was just like, Oh, I already understand all the mechanisms behind what we're doing. And now this is enhancing it. It's accelerating the process and allowing me to, to feel, Oh my gosh.

Lisa 1:06:23

Healy y'all deep cycle, I think is what she was referring to that whole program because I know that one well too and It was a trip doing all of that. And so yeah, I feel like that would be amazing just to get on here and geek out about the different programs and what we've Used them for because I've had mine for I think two and a half. Oh nice now And so, and I haven't even gotten to, the fitness programs, really. I use them a few times and they were awesome with recovery. Um, there's so many that I actually haven't even gotten to because there are hundreds of programs for a multitude of things, so it's just kind of endless and I'm sure that's going to keep on getting upgrades.

jana 1:07:11

Yeah,

Lisa 1:07:11

I'm the

jana 1:07:11

same as you. I've only just got started, um, and I've had it for over a year. But my son had head to toe eczema, like all over his whole body. And we literally tried everything and we couldn't touch it. It was just getting worse and worse and worse. And, um, after two weeks, After the first week, the flare up stopped after the second week, it started to regress. And after two months, he's his skin is totally clear. And like, I know what foods trigger it. So we still have to stay out of those foods, but even some of the foods that he's been allergic to, he can now eat. And he just asked for it. He's like, mama, can I have the Healy please? I'm like, yep, absolutely. And sometimes he doesn't want it. And I'm like, okay, fine. You know, like I'm not going to force it on him, but he recognizes how much it helps. Yeah, and that's like my, my surface scratching was like, ah, how many people are working with skin stuff that there isn't an ointment or a medication that is touching it. It's just chronic.

Lisa 1:08:09

That's right. Do you remember what programs you're using for that?

jana 1:08:13

For him, we were using, well, I started with Pure, of course, which works with the terrain. And then liver and gut health. And then we used a lot of skin stuff. And now what comes up for him in the scans is all the scar harmony stuff. So we're just like cleaning up. Remnants of what was there. And then when I, if he like slips and eats foods that he's allergic to, there's an allergy program. I love the allergy program. It's the best. You know, like French fries are often covered in stuff now. So French fries aren't gluten free, which is fine if you don't have a real gluten allergy, but like if gluten really messes you up, like that's kind of crappy. Like. People need to know French, well, maybe French fries are just crappy in the first place, but my kids love French fries. I'm going to feed them French fries. That's right. So do I, I like them. Um, I mean, we're not eating them every day, but you know, it's a nice treat. But yeah, he ate French fries and found out afterwards that they were coated in gluten. And I just immediately popped it on him and he didn't have a response. And I was like, whoa, is that real? Did that just happen? You know,

Lisa 1:09:19

I've definitely found that with allergy, especially because I'm someone that's prone to to skin stuff. And I've used my Healy for that. Um, and it was absolutely incredible things that it just cleared up within a really short amount of time that, you know, I had changed my diet. I had done all of these things and yet it was still happening. You know, and so Healy was one of those things where, and even if I know if I've eaten something that I didn't agree with, like I can run the gastro program or the allergy program and I will get relief. It may not take it away like immediately, but it will make it manageable so that, you know, I'm not feeling like shit for days and days and days.

jana 1:10:00

Yeah. Yep. But we changed the information behind the biology and the biology changes. Yeah. We're doing with Kelly. We're changing the information behind it. It's Bruce Lipton. It's it's the biology of belief. It's stealth stem cells. It's. environment. It's all of it. And it's just a tool that helps us. It's amazing.

Lisa 1:10:19

So I'm wanting to know, can you tell people where they can find you and hang out in your very expansive

jana 1:10:28

world? Um, the easiest place is just my website, which is my name, JanaRomer. com. And it kind of points you everywhere except for to Healy because I haven't updated my website with Healy. Um, but, and then I have another place called attunedtothemoon. com and attunedtothemoon you can find all kinds of things about astrology and yoga nidra and I've brought them together for astro nidra. So the website itself, soon to be app, when you, I know I'm so stoked. That's my homework after our call is to get the revisions over. Um, uh, is that, uh, I built it off of a custom built. So instead of being built on the Gregorian calendar and the clock, it's actually built off the planetary position. So when you log in, although there are over 250 practices and growing in there, you'll only see less than a dozen that are relevant for today's astrology. So decision fatigue, buh bye. I mean, with the app, you're going to be able to search for the practices that you love, no matter what the timing is. But right now that's what it is. And then Instagram, Jana underscore Romar or attuned to the moon.

Lisa 1:11:37

And you know, another congratulations on that app launch. I was just about to ask you if you had any exciting stuff that you wanted to share. And so that's huge. That's big.

jana 1:11:45

Yeah. And then another great place, which is a company that I fully love and believe in and just absolutely admire is Insight Timer.

Lisa 1:11:55

I love that app

jana 1:11:55

too. Oh, yep. It's a free app. And I just want to say right now, Christopher, the guy who created, um, Insight Timer is going up against Apple in a really good way because he, right now the app, so all the membership and all that, when you have an app in the app store, did everybody know that Apple takes 30% Right off the top.

Lisa 1:12:16

Did not know that.

jana 1:12:17

30%. Apple. Come on now. Apple. Yep. And they worked with Apple for a while to be able to create donations. So the teachers would get a hundred percent of the donations. Insight Timer didn't take any and Apple didn't take any. And just last month, Apple changed their terms and conditions and they're taking 30 percent of our donations now. So when the people that are doing the meditations or doing the lives are donating to the publishers and to the teachers, they're thinking that they're getting all of it, but now Apple's taking 30 percent and Insight Timer isn't. And so Christopher is going up against Apple being like, That's not your money. You're getting enough money. You're a monopoly. There's nowhere else for us to go. When we created this, it was the terms and conditions and now you're changing the rules and that's just showing an unbridled power. That's not. So I'm really proud of him and I love that app because it's free for the most part. You can access premium products, but there's so many meditations for free on there for so many people. So,

Lisa 1:13:14

well, thank you for telling us about Apple. Shame on you. Apple. Apple. Fuck. It's like, why? Couldn't it just be a reasonable, like, 5%, you know, 3 to 5 percent on, like, this, like you said, monopoly? Like, Jesus. Yeah. Anyways. Okay. Well, I digress.

jana 1:13:33

He's taking, he's okay with the 30 percent for the membership. Because that's the cost of doing business. Whatever. But the donations. I mean, I think it's a good principle. It's a good principle. War.

Lisa 1:13:44

Absolutely. I like, I'm here for it too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, oh my God, this has been just, uh, an enlightening, incredible, galactic, uh, big conversation. So I just want to thank you for being on. What an honor it was to be here witnessing you in this and just celebrating, um, yeah, all of these things that are just expanding in your life. So thank you. Bye. Thank you. Thank you for having me. What a treat. You're so welcome. And, uh, stay tuned for another episode with Janna at some point, cause there will be one coming. Sounds like have an incredible day in Nelson and, um, take care of yourself and we'll talk again sometime soon. Thank you so much. Bye for now. As always, thank you so much for listening. Life is busy, so it means even more to me that you are here. Listen, we've got so many great episodes coming up, so please make sure that you follow along on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever you are listening. And if you appreciate these episodes, please do us a favor and leave a review and share the show with anyone you think this episode would benefit. See you again next week. Bye for now.