Ep. 42 Worthy Of Rest & The Intersection of Neuroscience & Magic - Eileen March

Embracing Rest and Worthiness with Eileen March

In this episode of the 'Healed Now What' podcast, host Lisa Dawn welcomes guest Eileen March, an intuitive coach dedicated to helping women reconnect with their bodies and prioritize rest. 

Eileen shares her journey of leaving an unhealthy marriage and a demanding career in midwifery to pursue her passion in coaching and energy healing. The discussion delves into women overcoming societal pressures for constant productivity, blending neuroscience with witchcraft in healing practices, and the importance of cyclical living. 

Listeners also gain insights into the challenges of self-care and the transformative power of rest.

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00:00 The Importance of Support Systems

00:26 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

01:06 Eileen's Journey and Coaching Practice

03:22 Personal Connections and Social Media

03:55 Living in Calgary and Nature Experiences

06:24 Eileen's Career Shift from Midwifery

11:30 Challenges of Productivity Culture

18:06 Leaving an Unhealthy Marriage

29:17 Blending Neuroscience and Magic

40:28 Exploring Wicca and Witchcraft

41:13 Herbology and Natural Remedies

41:38 Connecting with Nature

43:29 Cyclical Living and Seasonal Awareness

48:45 Understanding Projectors and Energy Management

53:31 Navigating Rest and Productivity

57:24 Client Work and Healing Journeys

01:06:59 The Importance of Long-Term Support

01:10:45 Conclusion and Offerings

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Eileen 0:00

it's so important to, to have mentors or friends or, you know, support people in your corner, whether they're paid or unpaid, like just family and friends who can help, who can help you. Remember that you get to slow down, you get to rest, you get to take care of yourself, you get to do things purely for the pleasure of it. Because again, like that's what life is for.

lisa 0:36

Hello friends, and welcome back to this week's episode of the Healed Now What podcast with your host, me, Lisa Dawn. Have you ever wondered what keeps us in these perpetual states of busyness and disconnection? If Well, today we will be discussing such things with my guest, Eileen March. Eileen is a fellow projector in human design, a tradition keeper, and just an overall gem to talk to. On the show today, Eileen shares her personal journey of leaving an unhealthy marriage and a demanding career in midwifery to pursue her passion for helping women connect with their bodies and feel worthy of rest. Our discussion touches on the intersections of neuroscience, energy work, a little bit of witchcraft, offering insights into how these fields inform Eileen's coaching practice. We also discuss the challenges women face in overcoming societal expectations of constant productivity and the importance of creating supportive spaces for healing and self discovery. Yippee! So Eileen is an intuitive coach, wild medicine, energy healer, and slow living witch. In her previous career as a midwife, Eileen was passionate about helping her clients reconnect to their inner power and the wisdom of their bodies during pregnancy and birth, and this is carried through into her work now. Through her unique blend of coaching and energy healing, Eileen gently guides women and female identifying folks home to themselves and into relationship with the cyclical energies of the earth. So they can begin to rest without guilt, step into their power and create the life they truly desire. So when she isn't working with clients, you will find her barefoot in the garden, reading a good book, cooking meals with friends and exploring the world with her partner. So without further ado, please welcome Eileen to the show. Hello, Aileen. Hi, Lisa. Welcome to the show. I'm so excited that you're here.

Eileen 3:15

Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm really excited that we have made this connection and get to have this conversation.

lisa 3:21

Yeah, me too. Eileen and I have some beautiful mutual friends and connections, but this is our first time meeting. So I kind of like love this interweaving web of connections known as Instagram. Mm

Eileen 3:35

hmm. So I rail against it so often and then it's also brought me so many beautiful connections and new people in my life. So I can't. I can't say it's all bad.

lisa 3:46

I feel the exact same way. Yeah, we have much to talk about, but first I'd love to know where you're joining us from today.

Eileen 3:55

Yeah, I live in Calgary, Alberta for those who aren't from Alberta. Um, and joining from my little home in Inglewood near the bird sanctuary, which is a, it's a fun place. to live. It's in the city, but also in the nature, which I definitely need. I love hearing, I actually get to hear the coyotes sing me to sleep often in the summer months.

lisa 4:19

Beautiful. I love that area. Actually, my husband and I spent, was it three years in the burn block building? Like, right behind Harley Davidson as we were getting ready to transition into our tiny home living. We're like, let's rent a tiny loft and see how that works out. Right. We did and we loved it. And I spent a lot of time at the bird sanctuary. So it just, it brings a lot of joy just listening to you talk about it. All of the, um, What was it? It was, I was sitting with Horsetail and Owl for many, many months and we got to see an, an owl, great horn mating.

Eileen 4:59

Oh, cool.

lisa 5:00

Yeah. And I remember all of the bird watchers that had been going there for years being like, really? You've been here for like two months and you get to see this beautiful mating and we haven't seen it once yet.

Eileen 5:14

Yeah. Wow. That's amazing. For sure. I haven't seen, I know there's an owl that still makes its home back there and I haven't actually seen it, but I definitely go for lots of walks through there and just watching the seasons change what's happening. what's there, what's presenting for us.

lisa 5:32

Yeah, absolutely. And I also remember, um, there was a drum circle that used to take place in Inglewood. I wonder if you know about that or if you've attended.

Eileen 5:42

Yeah, actually, I've never attended, but it is still a thing that happens at the community center. There's a drum circle. drum circle. There's a pretty regular sound bath. I really need to go.

lisa 5:52

I highly recommend it. Highly. It's so good. Or at least it used to be. I mean, I haven't been in probably like 10 years, but

Eileen 5:59

I'm amazed to hear

lisa 6:00

that it's still going.

Eileen 6:02

I definitely, I love, I'm going to put it. Now that you've reminded me of it, I'm going to refresh or pop a pin in that and make sure that I get to it. It's like two blocks away.

lisa 6:12

Right. I know. I'm thinking about like your area and where you're, you're currently living. I'm like, yeah, it's very close to you. So now there's no excuses. Yeah. None. I drive past the community center every day. So I'm wondering, Aileen, what, and this is a big question, but I like to ask it because you can pick and choose your start point, um, what has led you to the work that you currently do today?

Eileen 6:37

Mm hmm. So I think that it, it's always a true two pronged story. Any entrepreneurs listening will know, like find your story, get, get that piece relatable. What was your big shift? But for me, it was like two big shifts. And the first one was exiting a marriage that was not healthy. And the second one was a few years later exiting a career that also was not healthy. And I'm going to start with the career because it feels really closely connected to the work I do now. I was a midwife for six years. So in that world of midwifery for 10 years as I came through the training to be a midwife and then was actually working as a midwife. And I really got to a place in that career of just feeling so burnt out. And in hindsight. What I'm recognizing is that a big piece of the burnout was this hyper independence, hustling, pushing hard, you know, This culture of, well, oh, you only got five hours of sleep, well, I only got three and I did one more birth than you last week and, and kind of this one upmanship that was happening, not just in that career, but really kind of highlighted there because of the demands of being on call and being, you know, ready to go at two in the morning if somebody called me and never knowing how long I'd be away from home. combined with this real distrust of women's bodies that exists in the medical space. And so even though as midwives, we, we definitely supported and support natural birth much more, there is more trust of the process as, as midwives. It still is existing inside this medical model that is really all about. you know, litigation and protecting yourself. And, you know, so often I'd be coming up against these situations where I wanted to say, do not take my advice,

8:55

but I

Eileen 8:55

had to give it, I had to follow the standard of care because if anything were to happen, Uh, you know, having any kind of outcome that wasn't ideal and I hadn't told them to follow the standard of care, I wasn't protected.

9:11

Yeah.

Eileen 9:11

And so there was this real kind of dissonance in the work for me that, and, and that just changed. Actual exhaustion that was happening. Um, COVID definitely hurried that along because it took away so many of our replenishing, soul replenishing, um, practices that, that I had to kind of fill me up and keep me going. And what I realized I loved the most about my career as a midwife was connecting with women. And helping them trust their bodies and tune in and listen and feel that wisdom and feel empowered and also, you know, starting to maybe tune into the fact that they're worthy of having, of being taken care of, postpartum especially. There was a lot of work around boundaries and worthiness and not falling into that hyperindependence of trying to do it all alone. And so those threads really led into the work that I do as a coach and a healer in a really direct way.

lisa 10:21

Yeah, I would imagine and how difficult that must have been for the, the years that your intuition and your kind of helper and mothering nature wanted to come through. But yet there's the legality of protection when we take something so sacred and we're extractive about it, it then becomes this other thing. And so I'm glad that we're speaking about that right now because I feel like that's just not the place, especially for childbirth. Yes. You know, like when did it, when did it become that way? Right. And, and, and although I do understand that, of course, like so many things can happen when you're in that childbirth portal. And so, um, protection is necessary, but. Um, so is just being able to use our intuition, use our, our nature, our wise woman nature to kind of step in and do what we know internally. And so I really appreciate that, um, that witnessing and that knowing that it was time to, to shift into something new. And I'm also interested because I felt similar ways in this like productivity culture, which It's like the more that we produce, the more we are worthy. But when we're resting, when we are tapping into our intuition, when we are taking time out, when we're reading a book, when we're doing all of these things that aren't seemingly productive in the world, I actually don't even know if I have a question here. I just like to rant on this because I, I hate it. I hate it so much. I do too. It really, it sucks the life out of our ability to connect with others and just be creative and just live life. Like what are we here trying to achieve if it's not to experience new things, if it's not to use our creative potential and how that all ties into money and currency and being seen by others and all of these different aspects. So, um, yeah, again, extract extractive.

Eileen 12:29

Yeah, so extractive. It like very much resting on this, this capitalist world that we live in. And, and that kind of, again, you touched on that worthiness, only equating to what you can produce and like what Yeah. Is the point. Yeah. This always, the cycle of kind of always feeling like, well, I can rest when, or I can take time for me when, Oh, I get to, I'll, I'll get, you know, I'll get around to doing, doing the work that I want to do on me or carving out the time once everybody else's needs are taken care of. Once I've hit this deadline, once I've reached this goal and what that leaves, there's no most of us doing is a cycle on repeat of always pushing that goalpost forward and never actually having the time or creating the time to connect to ourselves and slow down and just enjoy life because I mean it's it feels like harping on a on a bit of a Okay, I always get my metaphors mixed up, but saying something I've said before, famous

lisa 13:35

for fucking those up, yeah, mash up and

Eileen 13:37

people are like, what are you saying? But you know that the only moment we truly have is the present moment. That's right. And we're constantly in this space of not actually enjoying it. And, and not trusting ourselves enough to enjoy it sometimes too, especially as women that, that kind of societal gaslighting that happens for women. Totally. Of, of our value being tied to our ability to care for others and not about our ability to care for ourselves.

lisa 14:09

That's right. That's right. I remember when um, this was many, many years ago when I did interior design. For 10 years I did that, which was beautiful. I loved it. But it was a highly masculine dominated industry. So I always felt like I was trying to push forward, improve something and My email, like I have like a thousand emails to tend to, you know, it was like, again, this competition to who's busier. It's like, why? Like, this is not a badge of honor. Um, but anyways, I had a wake up call. I ended up getting Lyme's disease. And so it was a whole journey into learning how to slow the fuck down and start taking care of my body. I've had many of these, these moments in my lifetime. Some whispers, some bricks in the face. But this one was more like a brick. And I remember I just had, like, I couldn't, I couldn't go back to work and work the same way that I was used to working, you know, 10 to 13 hour shifts. I was the only interior designer there at the time. So all of this load was just falling on me. You know, I just, there wasn't, there was, there weren't enough hours in the day, you know, to assist all these folks and then to have time for myself, or at least I thought I didn't have choice there. And so I ended up taking a six month leave from work and the first, I would say two and a half months, I actually didn't know what to do with myself. I didn't know how to slow down. I didn't know how to not make everything that I was doing about production. So I just want to give a really like small example of this. I went and rented a cabin from a friend and it was a really remote cabin and with me I packed a sewing kit. I didn't know how to sew. A guitar, didn't know how to play guitar. There was like three other things that, okay, I was only staying there for like seven days

16:08

and all

lisa 16:08

of these things I had planned to learn like while I was there and then at one moment it was like a full moon out and I had my dog with me at the time or rather my partner's parents dog and I was just looking out the window looking at the moon and I heard this voice kind of very clearly say like, no, Lisa. Like now your hobbies are stressing you out. And so I think that this so beautifully ties into this. So even in the aspect of like, I don't have anything to do other than to be with myself and to heal. I was still trying to find ways to be busy and be productive.

Eileen 16:49

Yeah, like have something to show for this time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, I mean, I catch myself in that all the time still. I think that's part of why I'm so drawn to doing this work and helping my clients first just gain awareness around it and then start to like support them in, in maybe toe dabbling. Yeah. Toe dipping. Yeah, dip your toes in. In that like rest and tending to self and, um, and feeling worthy of it is because I need it too. I think that we're often drawn to, you know, the work that we need is also the work that we can share if you're those few steps further along that path than, than any, the other people around you.

lisa 17:36

Yeah. Well, and it sounds like this has been a huge part of your healing journey, like learning how to really kind of tap in, tap back in, or start listening anyway to your own intuition by means of slowing down. So I'm wondering, like, has that, what healing has looked like for you?

Eileen 17:54

Yeah, it is definitely a big piece of what healing has looked like. And then the other piece is really tied, I kind of briefly mentioned the relationship that the marriage. I

lisa 18:04

wanted to touch on that too.

Eileen 18:05

Yeah. And I think that's been a huge piece of my healing has been, again, coming back to the worthiness and to stepping out of a place where I, I prioritize other people's needs and feelings over my own. Right. So that relationship, that marriage was a place that I knew for about five years before I left it. I knew I didn't want to be there. Yeah. And there was, if I had said this aloud to myself, I'd have been like, no, but I didn't feel like I could leave because I didn't feel like I was worthy of leaving him. And I felt like my unhappiness was almost some sort of like penance for him. Or, like, his, me not making him sad was more important than me making me happy. That's right.

lisa 19:03

Yeah.

Eileen 19:03

Yeah. Yeah. And the realization, or a lot of the healing that's happened, both through a couple of relationships since then, and then my own work, has been the really deep recognition that avoiding hurting him actually hurt both of us a lot more. Yeah, which is again, it feels like really obvious to say aloud and felt really profound for me. I think any of, any of us who have those kind of people pleaser tendencies have bought into that definition of a woman, a good woman as like a mother martyr kind of archetype.

lisa 19:44

Oh yeah.

Eileen 19:44

Um. feel that like that really deep need not to rock the boat, not to hurt feelings, not to say something that might be upsetting for another person. And the real deep reality is that it, it is the kind thing to do.

lisa 19:59

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And especially as you said, with the people pleasing tendencies, or if we were more prone to like an anxious or ambivalent attachment, Ooh, that's tied into a lot of things that's tied into our nervous system responses that's tied into our caregivers. And so when we're so busy and it's so comfortable and like easier to focus on someone else, it's way more difficult to say like, what do I need? What do I need? And a lot of times we don't even know because we've been so busy focusing on others for our entire life. I say us because like, Hey, I've been there too. And it's so difficult because it's like all of these cords of like guilt of, you know, all of the things that, that come up when we're trying to make a choice that is solely for the betterment of ourselves.

20:54

Yeah.

lisa 20:54

Yeah.

20:54

Mm hmm.

Eileen 20:55

Yeah, it's, it's so layered and nuanced. I gave a talk around rest. It's has a few different names depending on who I'm speaking to, but one of them is actually the title of the book that I'm writing. It's called the courage to rest and beautiful. Thank you. Yeah. In it. I, I ask when I've given this talk, Like, what comes up for you when I, when I talk about Ritalin, when you think about resting, what happens, and for a lot of women, it's fear. It's fear of the discomfort that's going to come with it. It's fear of what they might do. actually have to become aware of. That's right. Yeah, the discoveries. The griefs that might bubble up, right? The discoveries, the griefs, the realizations of like looking the truths in the face and being like, oh shoot. Then the fear of like, now that I know, do I have to do something about it?

lisa 21:49

That's

Eileen 21:49

right. So offering that also space of, it's okay to have an awareness and not do anything about it. That's right. Right away, eventually, you're going to need to just from a comfort level, like there's a dissonance if you don't, but it's, it's that permission as you start to even subtly shift some of the ways that you relate to rest to just be like, Oh, okay, here's this awareness. I can continue to like, somewhat ignore it or just have it present but not act on it because in a lot of ways it's an awareness of something you already know deep down. That's right. So nothing's changed except that there's some light on it.

lisa 22:28

Awareness. Yeah.

Eileen 22:30

Yeah.

lisa 22:30

Yeah. Absolutely. It's like rest as an initiation. Yeah. Yeah, because it is like if I think of, um, like any kind of medicine journey, if I think of any kind of self exploration, and I've talked about this on previous episodes, it's like, okay, so now that I have the awareness, it's fine if it's not something that I'm immediately acting on, but eventually if I don't take the actionable steps, then there's no point to this work. Because you know. We're just like stacking on layers of, okay, like I found some things out about myself, but I'm not taking action towards them. And then maybe we do another ceremony or we have like another awareness and with more actionable steps. And so those actionable steps keep on adding up. They're like the to do list in our subconscious. And then suddenly one day again, and. I mean, maybe at one point we won't all get to this, but it becomes this, right? Like I gotta blow everything up.

Eileen 23:34

Yeah. Yeah. It does. It's often getting to that tipping point before we can like take action. We have to become too uncomfortable.

lisa 23:43

That's right. To the point where it's just like, yes, like I'm having a tower moment. And now, you know, these little actionable steps are now like this huge to do list. So I'm wondering also within the dissolving of, was it, it was a marriage.

24:02

Yeah, I'm

lisa 24:02

wondering like what, how do I want to word this, like what was the deciding factor? So you've known for, for five years and I find this so often with women, you know, it's like we are preparing ourselves to leave for a long time. Like, maybe we've already checked out, but now we've just got to deal with all of the things that are coming up. Um, and then eventually it gets to this point that we're just like, okay, or maybe it doesn't. It depends on the person. So yeah, I'm just wondering for you if there was a moment where you're finally just like, I, I got to, I gotta do this.

Eileen 24:39

Yeah, I feel like, I feel like I had more than one and got, got pulled back in more than once. And so it wasn't a surprise for him when I finally said, and this is for real, the end because we'd had a very near, near death situations, almost like near, near relationship of death situations where I'd been ready to leave. And I really distinctly remember the one night where I was like, I can't do this, I can't anymore. And the conversation that kept me there was, you know, him sitting at the table crying, saying, I just want to take care of you and have, you know, take care of a family and have children and, and me being like, who am I to deny him that?

lisa 25:21

Yeah.

Eileen 25:22

Yeah.

lisa 25:22

Yeah.

Eileen 25:23

And then when I did finally go, I had been away with a friend for a few days and it, I was building to it. It was coming. I read. The book, um, Flight Behavior by Barbara Kingsolver.

lisa 25:35

Oh, I don't know this one. It sounds very interesting though.

Eileen 25:38

It's so good. And I remember reading it, we were on vacation in Australia. I was sitting on my friend's wraparound veranda in her beautiful home, reading this book and feeling like I was being given permission to go. and have it not make me a bad person.

25:57

And

Eileen 25:59

there's something in like reading this woman's story and actually getting a little emotional even just talking about it but reading this story of this woman who She was with a good man at the end of the day And it wasn't a fit and it wasn't for her and I was like you need to go be Free for you. Yeah, you're like reading the book, you're like, come on, just go. It's okay. And like, and, and that realization that, oh, I could do that too. And it also wouldn't make me a bad person. And so I went, I went away with a friend for a few, like a week, a long weekend, not too long after we'd come home from that trip. And it was when I came home, I was like, this is, I have to go, this is the end. It's got, it's got to shift.

lisa 26:45

You know? I find that when there's nothing, I'll say in quotations, like, seriously wrong with a relationship, it's actually even harder to justify leaving. Yeah. Right? Yeah. On paper it was so good. Yeah. People are like, what? Like, why? What? We didn't see this coming. Like, we often say, like, there wasn't any abuse. There wasn't this. There wasn't that. It's like, how about, like, my soul needs something different now. Is that like a good? Yeah. Of reason.

Eileen 27:18

Yeah. And so often, you know, looking back, it was the clarity of hindsight, you know, there was, there was a lot of manipulation and a lot of bordering on psychological abuse that I wasn't even aware of that was keeping me in that pattern as well. And he's not a bad guy. It wasn't on purpose. Like it wasn't, you know. It wasn't purposefully abusive, and it was, it was present.

lisa 27:51

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Eileen 30:27

Yeah, I think that the blending, it's, it's really interesting my path to, to coming out as a witch, as it were, yeah, midwives are the original witches. So I suppose, and I had a, I had a broom on my wall before I even was a midwife, but, I never would have been a cat. I've always had a cat. Yeah. So tell tale. It's one of those things that, yeah, my coach at the time was like, would you call yourself a witch? And I was like, I don't know. And then I asked Instagram, would you, would you be surprised? And everyone was like, you don't already. Okay. I gotcha. But I think for me, it was, yeah, this, this really interesting blend of the two trainings that I took at the same time as I was coming into this world. So it was, it was COVID. I was a midwife. And at the time I was single or I was seeing somebody, but we weren't living together. So I was living alone and I couldn't travel anymore on my days off, which is what I did a lot of. I couldn't go out for food with friends. I wasn't even allowed to like gather with friends. And I was. Fairly newly out of my relationship. So my relationship ended in March of 2019. Um, and so I had had a year of just living and exploring the world and doing all these things that I now could do before everything kind of like came crashing down as we all know. And I just felt like, you know, I knew that midwifery wasn't forever for me, and I needed something. I was like, I need to learn or do or like, I just had a lack of drive to do anything, it felt like. And a friend of mine kept writing these blog posts. about what she was learning about herself through this course she was taking. And I was like, what is this course you're taking? And so I looked it up and it was a coaching course through the Center for Applied Neuroscience, which is in Toronto. And I was like, what the heck is a life coach? I've never heard this term before. Um, I did some searching and was like, Oh, no, no, there's some pretty close baby gross stuff. You just search what like life coaching is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Not all pleasant. Yeah. But this particular program, I trusted my friend and it looked really legitimate. And so I applied to, to start really for self help. At the beginning, I didn't have any real intentions of making it a career. And concurrently, I started working with another ex midwife, actually, turned energy healer, wild, wise woman, amazing, amazing woman, um, and initially just like one on one sessions because another midwife friend and I had been crying in the cafeteria at the hospital and she's like, have you, like, do you know what Nadine's doing? And, um, she offered or was offering just shortly after I started the life coaching program, um, something called wild medicine, energy healers training. And it's a year long kind of immersion in this more woo side of things. I entered into that. not believing that energy healing was a thing. I was like, I think this might be bullshit, but I really like Nadine and I love her. I love her energy. Hilarious. And I, I just want to learn from her. I want to know what this is about. There was those glimmers there, which again, like there's threads back. I bought myself a tarot deck shortly after leaving my acts. I was like, starting to look at. You know, astrology and being like, what is this all about? Because it was something I really couldn't do inside the relationship. He was like, Super staunch atheist. Had been raised very Christian and atheist, which is often the hardest shift. Um, yeah. And so it was this really, it was kind of because I was immersed in these two worlds at the same time that these two sides kind of wove together. And my, my science brain has always been there. I've always liked evidence and research and, You know, that side of things really helped my brain get on board for these other more nebulous kind of experiences and practices that I was learning through the energy medicine side of things, but also this sense of like. knowing in my bones

34:59

that

Eileen 34:59

there is this connection here, that there is energy that we're not aware of, that, you know, the plants can talk to each other and they can. And like, now we have science backing all of these things and they do. It feels like for me, it's just been such a beautiful Um, affirmation that I'm not crazy as science and neuroscience starts to be like, Oh, there's something here. Yeah. Oh, we have randomized control trials on Reiki of all things. Like there's starting to be that, that proof of what so many people are saying. Especially women, healers, wise women through the years have always known and now we're starting to have a bit of cultural acceptance around it, which is helpful if you're moving into that sphere. So I love working with both because I feel like the coaching, the neuroscience, that's, you know, our rational conscious mind, but it's not enough to just work in the conscious as we've been talking about, right? It's those subconscious patterns, behaviors, things that are running beneath our awareness that the energy work, the Wu can sometimes more easily access.

lisa 36:12

Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, those programs are those patterns that are running. They can take up like 95 percent of what's going on in the external. So it's no small thing. You know, and I feel like even in my line of work, the thing that was missing in my many years of therapy and, and healing and, and doing all these things was my body. And speaking of my body as the subconscious. Like, I didn't realize that it just had so much wisdom to share and that if I could befriend my body, befriend whatever parts were inflamed or joyful and speaking of parts work, like that's held there too. It's just very interesting to see. what happens when we tap into these other realms. So when you're mixing these two, like you do in coaching and then in the woo, it's like you're combining basically left brain and right brain, if we want to take it there as well. Yeah. Which is also fantastic because those two parts are living, like one's very imaginative and creative and fun. We're just, again, we're coming around in science what the gurus and the mythical mythical sages have been saying all along. Yeah, yeah,

Eileen 37:42

exactly. And, and the support. that seems to be happening or like this, this feminine rising kind of sense that we're getting of this rebalancing between the, the masculine and feminine principles and, you know, not tied to biological sex there for, for any listeners, just that we have both energies and the masculine has been so prioritized. Again, hustle, productivity, you know, do, do, do, action, action, action is that. Overprioritization of those energies and so finding this flow back into the body, totally, which is that more feminine connection, whether or not you're a man or a woman and yeah, yeah, it's all present. It's a very cool time to be, to be exploring all of this.

lisa 38:34

Yeah, like as hard as life can be sometimes, I'm like, I picked a pretty cool time to be here.

Eileen 38:39

Yeah. Yeah. At least in my country, I don't worry about getting burned for being like, I am a witch.

lisa 38:46

That's right. That's right. And speaking of which, so I'm wondering, and we've kind of touched on this, but what does the word witch mean to you?

Eileen 38:56

Mm hmm. I'm glad you asked. I don't have my quote. I have a Carmen Spagnola's book is up there. Oh, nice. The Spirited Kitchen, and she's got this beautiful description in the front, which I'll often quote. But in essence, the word which means, And it doesn't have to be woman, but as I am a female witch, it means, you know, wise woman, energy keeper, like space holder, tender of the earth, holder of community or hub of community. This, this knowledge space, it's about moving in the world as much harmlessness and compassion. For me, the, the piece that comes in as well as like, I am an animist. So that belief that there is. Life or soul or energy in all living and non living beings on this earth and wisdom to be gleaned from them and that return to Yeah, that the truth and the wisdom that is is inherent in being alive on this planet as as one of many

lisa 40:07

Hmm, that's so beautiful. I'm glad that I asked that question because I think it means something different to everyone and there can be this like, the weird connotation to the word witch and it's, you know, one that's doing magical work. Yeah.

Eileen 40:22

Yes. Right.

lisa 40:24

Exactly.

Eileen 40:25

Yeah. And in many different ways. Yeah. And there's a difference too between, you know, Wiccan, the religion Wicca that came about in about the 1970s. And I'm not a Wiccan. I don't practice it. I don't wear black very often. I, there's all these kind of more stereotypical things and that's a fine path to walk as well.

40:45

But,

Eileen 40:46

you know, It's very much, it's, for me, it's less structured and rigid. I talk about, you know, light witchcraft for the woo curious is, is something that I speak to and that it, it can be sacred without being serious. And it doesn't have to be prescriptive, you know, if you like to follow spells and get all the ingredients and do the steps in order, great. That's way too much work for me.

lisa 41:13

No. Yeah. Like, while it can be fun, like I like a good, like, you know, potion, like my background's in herbology too. Right. So I just like, I love mixing herbs together. And even when I had a corporate job, I, you know, Verne, our estimator, would have a cold and the next day he'd have a tincture from me and be like, take this three times a day. Like with a little note on it. And he's like, who are you? Yeah. And so it's fun to be able to help others with these things that we're learning from the natural world and it keeps us connected and it keeps us aware of what's going on around us and we need to be aware of what's going on around us. We need to dip our toe into the water and spend time out with trees because when those things start to get cut down and polluted, we care more

42:03

because we're connected

lisa 42:04

to them in a way that can't, we can't quite put words to that sacred, the sacredness of like, I'm here, you're here. We're all just working together.

Eileen 42:13

Yeah, yeah, I've often said, you know, you can't. You really, you cannot care for something which you do not know. That's right. Right? And if so, if you don't know your, your environment, you don't know your trees, you don't know your land and your connection to it, it's, it's fine. You can care about it in kind of an abstract sense, but you can't, the actual deep, like action provoking care is really hard for that to exist.

lisa 42:42

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I felt that more strongly. Like I was, I grew up a city girl. I grew up in Regina, Saskatchewan, not on a farm, but my mom was from a farm in young Saskatchewan. And so we would go out there and spend time on the farm and I would go out in the combine with, with Papa, you know, but that was all I really knew about like farm life. And it wasn't until later in life when we finally moved out to an acreage that I was just like, There is a whole other reality going on here that I can connect to that feels, um, so peaceful and so divine and like everything has its own timing. And so that kind of leads into my question about, you know, cyclical living. Because this is when I first started to learn this lesson of like, when there's no light pollution, when there's no of these other things present, when you can just be with the seasons, um, of what's going on around you and see when the Saskatoons are ready, see when the frogs start going off singing their songs, see all of these different phases of nature. Holy shit. Suddenly you're immersed in knowing like what vegetables grow at what time, what plants flower, when to harvest things. And so that's kind of my definition, one of like many different nuances of cyclical, cyclical living. But I'm wondering how that lands for you and how you take in that, that kind of cyclical.

Eileen 44:13

Yeah, that is a lot of it, what you've described there. That piece, and it's interesting because in the city it's not, It's, it's easy to ignore because we're in our buildings so often and, you know, we're driving from one air conditioned or heated building to another and, and the opportunity still exists to connect in. Yes. I came across cyclical living, ooh, it was before I was taking healers training. It was before the coaching and. I, I can't remember how it came up, but I remember being like, Oh, Ostera is this thing that's not Easter that feels like maybe a better thing to celebrate for me that who is not a Christian and it never, I wasn't raised with religion at all. But it was just like, I feel like I want to mark this time and Easter doesn't do it for me.

45:12

But I heard

Eileen 45:13

this word Ostera. What is it? And I, and I started to read, like, I read a little bit about it and I, I, painted eggs and hung them because that was something my family did for Easter. And I really loved these traditions, these like, like anchor points throughout the year. And it was one of the first things I did. Actually, it might've been before I was even coaching anybody that I started holding wheel of the year ceremonies. And beautiful. Oh, love that. It's yeah. Yeah. It's been such a grounding, anchoring, beautiful practice. I often say like, it's not, It's not a moneymaker for me.

45:51

Nope.

Eileen 45:51

It is. Nope. I am doing, I'm, I'd be doing this whether or not anybody came, it's a beautiful, it's beautiful that I get to share it with other women and, and create that community space as well. But the shift, and it's ongoing, I feel like every year it's like that's circling, spiraling deeper into noticing the shifts of the seasons. Yeah. micro shifts sometimes. Like I noticed that last week the wasps started to get aggressive. That's right. Me too. I was like, shoot, they're back. Oh yeah. It's almost September. Yeah. Where before I would have been like, you know, you're aware that the wasps are aggressive because they're annoying. Exactly. But I wouldn't have paired that with like, why? Oh, they want protein right now because they're getting ready for winter. Like winter is coming. And, and noticing last year I think it was because the, the calendar that I follow. Some people will shift the celebrations to line up with their seasons a bit better. Calgary has two seasons, so we're just going with the dates that are in the Celtic wheel of the year. Those are the practices I tap into. My Celtic history makes it feel like a really kind of juicy and aligned place to land. But even things like, you know, the harvest season and the season of autumn in the Celtic calendar begins on August 1st. And I remember learning that initially and being like, that's the middle of summer. And then last year noticing, Oh yeah, the mornings and the evenings are a bit cooler because we have a little more dark. And Oh, there's a few yellow leaves on some of these trees. Like they're primarily green, but there are leaves falling, showing signs and this sense of like really Embracing and deepening into, especially autumn and winter, has been so healing because, like, our culture is very much back to that hustle piece, stuck in this cycle of perpetual spring summer, spring summer, spring summer, plant harvest, plant harvest, plant harvest, but there's no room for. like the decay and the compost and that has to happen over autumn and winter and learning that as I dove or went deeper into cyclical living and giving my own body permission to be Part of nature as she is and resting more in the winter and going inwards more in the autumn and, and just really living a little bit more entirely. I still have to, you know, get up and work, but, um, a little more in tune with those energies was probably the biggest permission to slow down that I've encountered in the work that I'm doing.

lisa 48:30

Mm. Beautiful. Well, I'm a December baby, so I feel like I just came in with like, Oh

Eileen 48:36

yeah, we

lisa 48:36

rest

Eileen 48:36

in.

lisa 48:37

No, I'm just kidding.

Eileen 48:39

I'm a January, so still very, very winter harsh, but

lisa 48:44

yeah, totally. Well, I'm wondering too, because we've, we've talked about this, um, just in passing, but I'd like to bring it up here because we are both fellow projectors.

48:54

And

lisa 48:55

so I'm wondering how and if that awareness brought in this ability to even take more rest to even, you know, settle into the daily kind of cyclical cyclical living of, Oh, around this time, I noticed that my energy starts to go. to dip. So maybe I might need to lie down or just go sit out in nature or whatever the case might be. I know for myself, when I found out I was a projector, I was like, Oh, that's why I need a lot of naps. Like before I used to judge myself about it all the time. And I've brought this up on a few podcasts, but I was just like, doesn't everyone need this amount? Of like rest during the day and like of course our generators and manifesting generators don't always unless they're doing something that like completely depletes them, but yeah, I'm just wondering, was that even more permission giving for you to kind of take that, that extra time for yourself?

Eileen 49:53

Yeah, it really was. And it's still, I have to remind myself that it's a real thing

49:59

on the

Eileen 50:00

daily. And also something that has really helped me with that understanding is then I often will get into a space, um, and I'm paying more attention to my, my energy. And creativity and stuff in terms of my menstrual cycle as well has really helped me understand that, Oh, when I have those days where all of a sudden everything clicks, I'm writing, I'm posting, I'm doing all the things I'm like, Oh, for so many years, I'd be, or not years and years. Cause I haven't been in business for too many years, but even in my, you know, Prior life that feeling of I can conquer the world and get everything done. That's right And then I was always like, oh I figured it out. This is how it's going to be moving forward. Mm hmm You're like, oh, I'm ovulating shit Whoops. Okay Now having that understanding both as a projector and as a menstruating woman that Oh, harness that time when it comes, because like, there'll be times when I can just go and work and produce for two days straight, and then it's gone. It's really gone. And if I try to keep pushing, then it's gone for longer. And so that piece of the permission as a projector has been really, really helpful. Yeah. Really supportive. Really supportive.

lisa 51:16

Well, and I love that you brought that into the fold because I mean, monthly, there's a lot going on all of these different phases. If you're someone that menstruates, it's like that alongside with all of these other things, there are different times for different things. Yeah. So even if you're not following the wheel of the year and all of those things, you could be following your own wheel of the month and just start to track like, holy shit, every month. Maybe I'm, you know, I don't sleep well around this time or every month. Oh man, I really want to lift weights or. Holy shit. I'm really drawn to eating tuna. I don't even like tuna for the rest of the month. Like all of these things tie into like our bodies are giving us this information all the time. Whether or not we're listening, that's another story, but you can start to really like track it. Yeah. Trusting it and tracking it. It's trackable. It's logical. It's scientific. It's something that happens every single month. And so, yeah, yeah,

Eileen 52:15

it is. It's, it's an interesting. And then the like layer of. Okay, I hear it. I see it. I trust it. But then actually living into it is still hard because we're still in a society that says you shouldn't, that you should be able to just go every day like a man can and, and be at the same level of energy. And they're just, there's so many underlying beliefs in programming that's running to, to make it hard to actually live into that way of being every day, all day. Totally. It's, yeah, it's kind of like a long process of recovery from society.

lisa 52:56

Yeah. I often say I should have been born in Europe where they take like, you know, their siestas and like, you know, and I don't know this for sure, but it seems like there's more, um, it's more a relaxed way of being in the world in many, many. It

Eileen 53:11

really is. Which I relate to.

lisa 53:13

I'm just like, yeah, I'm tired. I want to take that like midday nap and then maybe I'll work more afterwards. Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll enjoy a meal with friends or whatever, whatever the case might be because often, and I think this also ties into this like isolation and loneliness. That so many people are experiencing right now as a result of like this over dominance of productivity, you know, it's like not making, not choosing to make, um, connections more important, not choosing to go to communal events, not choosing to eat out with friends, you know, because again, like I just, I always want to remind people of this. Like it is a choice, no matter how busy you are. There is always that choice. Yeah.

Eileen 54:02

Yeah. And it's a scary choice to make. Totally. Often. It feels uncomfortable. I, especially if there are entrepreneurs listening to this, it feels harder.

lisa 54:09

Especially my entrepreneur friends that actually don't ever stop working.

Eileen 54:15

Right? It's like 10 30 and you're like, I got an idea. Yeah. I had to give myself a pep talk last week because we were chatting before I hopped on and I have a part time serving job right now to support me as I grow this business. Wow. And it's three nights a week. And it felt like, well, whatever. I don't work. I try really hard not to work in the evenings. And I'm, I'm pretty good for it because my partner works a regular job and he's also a projector. So like evenings are for not work. And he will be like, Eileen, are you still working? Get up, go away from your desk. That's great. Nice. Yeah. But he's away right now. And so in addition to that, I'm also working. So you're working in the evenings. I am succumbing. I'm succumbing to my conditioning. And last Saturday was my only day off because I worked a Sunday brunch shift. So like all day Sunday. And I was, I had grand plans of like, Oh, Saturday and Greg's not home. I'll get so much done because I don't have meetings and appointments, which I'll have during the week with clients. And I just couldn't. And I was beating myself up until I was like, Oh, Eileen, this is your only day off this week. You are allowed to Read your smutty fantasy romance book. Oh, yeah, you

lisa 55:23

are maybe watching Bridgerton in there, right?

Eileen 55:26

Yeah, you're allowed I went for a glass of wine with a friend at 2 p. m And then I was like, I'll work this evening and she's like, let's go dancing. I'm like, okay. Yes. Yes Let's do that and this realization of oh, okay you you really Um, even when it's what I teach, it's what I, you know, it's what I'm constantly immersed in. It's still hard. And I think this is why it's so important to, to have mentors or friends or, you know, support people in your corner, whether they're paid or unpaid, like just family and friends who can help, who can help you. Remember that you get to slow down, you get to rest, you get to take care of yourself, you get to do things purely for the pleasure of it. Because again, like that's what life is for.

lisa 56:14

Yeah, I was looking at this, um, quote, I think it's on your Instagram page. It says, you will never feel rested until you feel worthy. And that like hit because how often right we don't give ourselves the things that we need because sometimes internally, we're just like, you know, whether it's We're punishing ourselves or we just don't feel that internal sense of like, you know, I it's innate to need to rest. It's innate to play and have fun and dance and have, you know, connections with friends and outside of, again, this idea of productivity. So I just really love that quote and, um, wondering also within that. When you're working with clients, is that something that that's like your ethos of, of the work? It's like helping people realize that, you know, well, this and many other things, I'll let you take it from here because you know what you're doing.

Eileen 57:23

Yeah. Yeah. It is definitely a big piece is, you know, a lot of Um, my clients come to me feeling not necessarily even knowing that they're in this situation where they're, they're people pleasing and putting other people's needs and behaviors first. It's just the sense of like, I need something, I need help with what's happening. Um, and it's this really like gentle and very, um, like often like guiding support to start just asking for it. Um, some of their needs to be met to start, you know, being like, you are going to nap at two this afternoon for those who can and, and holding that space as they, they come up against the discomforts again, that like, I, I have WhatsApp voice note support as part of my one on one work. And I, I'm thinking of one client who, you know, she messaged me being like, I was feeling so guilty about lying down at 2 PM yesterday. And so even just having that space to. to share the feeling and for me to validate and, and remind her how worthy she is. And then the next day getting a message from her being like, I had a nap. It's like amazing what a 20 minute nap can do. That's right. I know. Like now I'm a nap queen. Right? Yeah. And, but it's this, this on and off and on and off. We've been working together for nearly five months and it's she's starting to like have some of that embodiment of that truth and it's still like it's easy to snap back into those really old patterns and behaviors so that is a lot like that communicating needs helping helping guide those those or find the words to share with partners to tapping into the why helping them like recognize where they're taking on way more than half of the load of the house, of the emotional labor, of the whatever it might be. Because so often we feel like, oh, they help out, you know, they take the kids on the weekend. Okay, but then do they just rile them up and then dump them back with you when you're trying to make dinner? Like, that happens all the time. Oh, they took them for, you know, five hours and they, and they brought them back sugar high and melting down. And now you have to deal with the mess and they got the fun. And so just kind of having that, Space of bringing awareness to it and then giving tools and ways to kind of navigate through. anchoring into the seasonal parts, the cyclical parts, uh, the woo parts. It's, yeah, it's always a bit ephemeral trying to define the work, which I'm sure you feel like is the same. How do I describe this? Yeah, this magical little bubble that I wrap my clients in. It

lisa 1:00:08

sounds like a very magical little rest bubble and other things. Yeah. Yeah. I find that, you know, that it is, it's actually difficult. I mean, in your work and in my work too, because, you know, somatic experiencing, it's an experience.

1:00:25

Mm hmm.

lisa 1:00:26

Of yourself. Mm hmm. And so how that's going to look is so different from person to person. So no two sessions are alike, even remotely. Yeah. You know, it's like this, this therapeutic connection, this back and forth of holding space and sharing and, you know, tracking the nervous system and all of these different things. And because, and I mean, even with the attachment work, like we're, we're, we're, we're, we're working with implicit memory. So things that like people have forgotten about for like a very long time. Yeah. And so, but it's playing out as we were speaking to before the subconscious is playing out in their relationships and in their everyday life. And the beautiful thing about it is that, you know, these things can be shifted and changed even if we've never known something different.

1:01:16

And to me,

lisa 1:01:17

that's the magic right there. It's like, Oh, I've done this thing and never questioned it because I thought it was just the way things were. And I know I like, I thought that for so many things in relationship wise, within my body, within, you know, how I was living my life, the, um, restraints that I would put on myself, you know? And so, God, when you start to tap into this potential, it's, it's actually mind boggling. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like the richness, it's of what can come up. It's, yeah. And I'm sure you experience this all the time in your client session. It's just like, holy shit. Like watching someone just like have a veil Yeah. Be watching it in real time. Being like, oh, there it is.

Eileen 1:02:00

Yeah, there it is. Right there. Know Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's such a privilege to be able to help like guide. People to those, those healing experiences that like, you know, to learning how to heal themselves from the inside out, right? Yeah, it's fun. I do a lot of guided journey work as well. That's part of my, like, my energy medicine comes in through these. I'll be like, I think we need to go in, like, drop in and just, you know, Like I'm gonna go meet your inner child or we're gonna go meet your parts or I have a client who's all of her, you know, parts work kind of stuff. They all live on a ship and so we have a captain and we've got, we've, we managed to get anxiety up into the crow's nest where she can watch out for things and let the cap, the driver, the true core essence of the ship know about the hazards up head, up ahead, but then not be able to steer. So. So it's like, thank you for the information. I'm, I've got this, I've got us, you know, I can see something you can't see. Yeah.

lisa 1:03:06

Totally. Well, and even though you're speaking to this again, it's something that has to be experienced because until you've done like parts work, you don't realize like how holy shit it can be and is. Yeah. Because it's like this thing, right? Why does one part of me feel so expansive and so joyful, but then there's this other part of me that's like, no, I'm using like the voice of Gollum here. It's like, don't force me, no, you know, and you're like, why the fuck, right? And so, and then there's this little kid that's living in your rib cage and, you know, wherever they live within you and then to actually like meet and validate and, um, bring awareness to these different pieces, it. creates organization within our bodies and within our psyche. So it's beautiful, beautiful work. And I'm, I'm glad that you use that example as a great example, by the way. Yeah.

Eileen 1:04:01

Yeah. It was such a huge breakthrough when we discovered these, these pieces and who she thought her true self was versus the captain versus who her true self really was, which was Miss No, which with a K N O W. And she's given me permission to share these parts of her story because there's, it, there's It's so impactful, and the ability to recognize, oh, that voice isn't me, it's not my true self. It's, it's a part of me that developed in response, like in protection against something. It was adaptive at some point, and having that little bit of distance from what used to be like self identified. I, you know, I am an anxious person to, oh, I am experiencing anxiety. That's right. shift, right? It's a huge shift. Yeah,

lisa 1:04:53

it's

Eileen 1:04:53

tiny, but it's,

lisa 1:04:54

it

Eileen 1:04:54

has big

lisa 1:04:55

implications.

Eileen 1:04:56

Semantically tiny, experientially huge. Yeah.

lisa 1:05:00

Yeah, absolutely. So I'm wondering within this topic of, uh, I don't know, I want to say releasing expectations of how we should. be living our lives so that we can actually open up to how we want to live our lives. I'm wondering about your take on that within the realm of work that you do. Do you experience this? Um, I guess within yourself too, having done the courses and having taken yourself through the process, did you find doing all of that, that you were just able to kind of hear yourself more? and take action towards the things that you want rather than the things that you think you should be doing. Was that a well formulated question?

Eileen 1:05:52

I'm following the thread. Great. Yeah. I think that it's interesting as you were speaking, what came up in my mind was like, oh yeah, like, I think there's this part of me that still feels like, and again, it's a product of our society, there is an end. I love the title of this podcast, Heal, Now What? Yeah, like really? Yeah, really? And so even as you were speaking, I was like, oh, I still do all these shoulds to myself. But what the difference is, is that I catch them.

lisa 1:06:24

Yes. Okay. Awesome. I hear them. I see

Eileen 1:06:27

them. I don't always have the ability to, to act on them or like stop acting on them in the moment. But there is an awareness there. There's an inner voice that comes in and is like, you're, it is okay to stop. It is okay to pause. You're okay. This, this doesn't have to happen on a timeline or whatever it might be that I'm struggling with. It's that, that deeper awareness and the more I practice it, the easier it gets. And so it really is this long journey. It's part of why I, I don't work with clients on a short timeline. My one on one container is six months long. I'm actually considering creating a year long space for people to drop into because I really feel like if, if it feels like. a miracle overnight, not, it's not sticking around. Like we can have those big realizations, but kind of like what you were saying before you have like a ceremony, a journey, or like actionable steps. Um, but like the discomfort is not enough to get you to take them or if you're trying to do it on your own without some support to, to, to help yourself be accountable to yourself. I don't like to say you're, you're never accountable to me because yeah, but without that time to continue implementing to ride the cyclical nature of energy and growth and learning. Um, yeah, the change doesn't stick. It's a lot like the healing journey. I come back to labor often when I'm, when I'm discussing this and it, to me, it's like this saying that midwives will have, or the way we describe the pushing phase of labor, which is two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back. And heck, I even, I remember a time when a woman was pushing and it was like two steps forward, eight steps back. Yeah. And then five steps forwards, eight steps back. And when the baby was born, she had a really tight cord around her neck with a knot in it and that's what she needed. She needed to come and open and then like go way back to the beginning. She was still born just fine and nothing was wrong, but like her journey looked different. It felt like a lot more backwards progress than forwards, but she was still born. Yeah.

lisa 1:08:45

Hell yes. Yes. I love that message because how often in this journey where you're like, You know, we're making progress, we're making progress, we're making progress and then there's like a trigger or something that happens in life and suddenly we're like, well, that was shit. Like I didn't make any progress. Yeah.

1:09:01

I'm still the same person.

Eileen 1:09:03

But I guess all this work doesn't mean anything. Right? Yeah, exactly. That's how it feels. And the passage is still more open. It's easier to move back to that place once you've been there once.

lisa 1:09:15

Totally. And like, I call that building capacity.

Eileen 1:09:18

Yeah.

lisa 1:09:19

Right? Like often in this work, we think that, you know, things are just going to be honky dory in life once we do this work and the truth, the more true, the more truth is that things, shit's still going to go down, but it's like your ability to rise to the occasion has, has been different. It's been altered. It's now changed. And I love that you do, um, longer container work cause I'm the same way. Like I do offer single sessions, but it's like. The long game is we learn through repetition. We learn how to anchor in the integration and move forward within this like new self that we're becoming when we have support, when we're in a supportive container, when we have reminders of why it's important that we're doing the things that we're doing. And so, um, that has to be addressed because like, you know, Man, we, we do require extra support when we're relearning or learning new skills for the first time. Yeah. To anchor them in. Yeah. That's just how these things work. That's how our brain works. That's how our bodies work. We learn through repetition.

Eileen 1:10:27

Yeah.

lisa 1:10:28

Yeah. Neuroscience.

Eileen 1:10:30

Neuroscience. That's right, girl. Right back to neuroscience.

lisa 1:10:33

It all comes back to the neuroscience, really.

Eileen 1:10:35

It does. It really does. And those, those neural pathways that are heavily myelinated and yeah, yeah,

lisa 1:10:44

absolutely. Well, I just want to thank you so much for being on the show today, Aileen. It's been such a lovely and eye opening conversation and yeah, before we say goodbye, I would love to let our people know where they can find you and if there are any offerings that you'd like to share with our listeners.

Eileen 1:11:04

Yeah, sure. Um, well, you can find me in a couple of places. If you want to take the quiz that Lisa referenced earlier. Oh, I was going to ask you what, what kind of witch are you? I'm a green witch, or a hedge witch. Yeah.

1:11:17

All

Eileen 1:11:18

right. I definitely, I dabble in the kitchen, but it, it really, when I think about it, it's, it's green. It's the, yeah, you'll find me, I might be a moss witch. That's perfect. That's my really, like, tapping into rest. I like a good,

lisa 1:11:30

good old moss witch.

Eileen 1:11:32

Right. Um, yeah. So that quiz, if you head to my website, which is myluminouslife. ca, um, Uh, the quiz will pop up. It's a, it's a pop up on the site for hopping on to my mailing list. And I really love connecting with people through email because I'm a writer and I like writing long form. I love to send little love notes and keep in touch with people that way.

lisa 1:11:57

I'm

Eileen 1:11:57

also on Instagram and it's at I am Eileen March. And that's where I kind of hang out as far as social media goes, as we discussed earlier. I do have a openings currently I have for space for about two people to step into one on one work with me if they are feeling that call that nudge, obviously that that always comes with the ability to have a chat before making any kind of decisions. I am the, I am anti sales. So if you're curious about what working with me looks like, there's never any pressure on those calls. It's just an open discussion. And if you're curious about witchcraft and woo, I do have a six week course called Unleash Your Inner Witch, which is coming up in September and you can get on the wait list. The links will be in the show notes, but also on my website. There's a whole work with me drop down part, um, to tell you a little bit more about what that's all about.

lisa 1:12:58

Uh, so wonderful. And as Eileen shared, I will pop all of that in the show notes. And once again, I just was so lovely to meet you in this way and hear more about what you do and your journey. And, um, yeah, it was just really, really

Eileen 1:13:13

wonderful. So thank you again. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It felt, um, like it was a long time coming. I'm so glad we got to connect this way.

lisa 1:13:22

Yeah, me too. Well, enjoy the rest of your day and I'm sure we'll be crossing paths in many different ways from here on in. I'm sure we will. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye for now. As always, thank you so much for listening. Life is busy. So it means even more that you're carving out time in your day to be here. Listen, we've got so many great episodes coming up, so please make sure you subscribe to follow along on Apple podcasts or Spotify. And for those of you who like to watch your podcasts, we are now uploading them to YouTube. And if you appreciate these episodes, please do us a favor and leave a rating or a review and share it with anyone you think could benefit. See you again next Wednesday.