Hot Takes - The Church of Crypto Saves

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Bros Discuss Fraudulent Cryptocurrency and Success

Brad 0:00

On a desolate, frozen tundra surrounded by mindless, brain numbing cold takes, two bros trek through the nothingness to bring hope to a new generation. You are about to experience brad and dylan's hot takes. Here we go again. Again, we're live brad cold plunge tub. I'm reading off trending topics right now. Did it have?

Dylan 0:28

the little fire symbol next to it.

Brad 0:31

Uh, no, it's based on the search engine. Increase I growth.

Dylan 0:38

I I'm gonna open up the episode that I'm just going to kill you with kindness today, bradley, I don't know what that means. It means I'm just going to be extremely nice to you, all episode, because you're my friend.

Brad 0:48

Okay, now I'm scared good. I've also do cold plunge.

Dylan 0:55

No, I don't. I don't cold plunge.

Brad 0:57

I recently saw a doctor and I Tick tock, tick tock doctor quotes, air quotes that said, uh, cold plunge not actually that beneficial for Injury related things, as if it it almost did something opposite.

Dylan 1:22

Uh, Andy galpin. Doctor Andy galpin talks about this a lot. He's been on heberman, he's been on Tim Ferriss, he's been on I'm Peter, to you name it. And Cold plunge is really good for a lot of different things. First off, in I don't know if I don't know if the terminology is correct here, but essentially stress inoculation, a hormone regulation, you know, central vega nerve, vegas nerve You've got me on that one. I don't know, but he talks about cold plunge. Uh, reduces inflammation, which can be positive. Okay, for recovery. So sports athletes that are in mid season that need to recover as fast as possible, it is good. But if you are training for hypertrophy or maximum efficacy of whatever movement you're doing, it reduces inflammation, which is what your body's natural repair process is right. So when you reduce that inflammation you're actually cutting. Okay, that so he's. You know he said it does have a detrimental effect.

Brad 2:32

So not entirely wrong.

Dylan 2:33

It's not entirely wrong now with With recovery, with repairing an injury, I, I don't know I could, I could make the easy transition and probably be wrong and say it's it's reducing the, you know, the lymphatic system in your body and not allowing it to, you know, process an injury on its own.

Brad 2:56

Yeah, really Okay.

Dylan 2:59

But I, I'm really sorry I asked this question. I'm a finance geek, I'm not. I'm not a biologist. I just want to know if you plunged or not. I've looked at, I've looked at buying cold, cold plunges for the, for the, for the condo here. Yeah, yeah I have. But then I just think about all the other shit that we have to buy for the podcast so I'm like, no, I'm good.

Brad 3:21

I think the only thing besides the Dump of nerves and or hormones and Chemicals and everything else that you get from it is just the Doing something that you hate, because I can't imagine that I would ever like Doing it, if you might get used to doing it but Not like doing it.

Dylan 3:49

It doesn't sound fun, but I guess People find joy in not falling up times. It becomes therapeutic in its own weird.

Brad 3:59

Way well, that was way down the list, so do you.

Dylan 4:02

I mean, I love coffee, but when you started drinking coffee, did you enjoy it? When you drank beer originally, did you enjoy it? No, you're just. All the cool kids are doing it. So I'm going to do it now.

Brad 4:12

Yeah, I feel like that's a lot different feeling though. It is a lot different feeling. I'm just. I feel like the first time I drank coffee, I didn't feel like I was going to die. I didn't feel like that. The first time I drank whiskey, maybe Thought I was going to die.

Dylan 4:29

That happened to me with vodka.

Brad 4:30

And I still feel that way and I'll keep drinking it until I don't feel that way anymore.

Dylan 4:37

Probably like cold plunging though. Where your body you get such positive reinforcement out of it, your body starts to crave it a little bit.

Brad 4:44

I've never gotten positive reinforcement out of alcohol, if that's what you're implying.

Dylan 4:47

That's not true. Anytime you get stressed, your body goes God, I need to drink. That's positive reinforcement.

Brad 4:54

Mine has never done that.

Dylan 4:55

That's not true. You don't know. I think I do. You don't know what you're talking about. You're right, brad. I'm sorry, you're my best friend. Thank you, I like this. You're right all the time. Have we even said the word? Have we said the words hot takes? And we haven't even used the term.

Brad 5:15

No, because that's not the name of this episode anymore.

Dylan 5:18

No, but that comes out tomorrow, art no, two days from now. What, oh, no, no, no, that was last Friday's.

Brad 5:23

Yeah, fast and loose.

Dylan 5:26

Fast and loose.

Brad 5:27

I don't remember the rest because I didn't listen the last week's episode. Nobody needs to know, but you have a whole list of hot takes. How much do you want? Level 11. You want to take it all.

Dylan 5:39

Take it to 11, or just the tip. We're talking about spinal tap today, so take it to 11.

Brad 5:44

But what happens if?

Dylan 5:44

it's just one through 10?. Wouldn't that be the max? No, but this one's got 11.

Brad 5:51

Okay, okay.

Dylan 5:52

Never seen it. Take it to 11. Never seen it. Okay, add it to the list. I feel like I've sent you that clip before?

Brad 5:59

Maybe, but yeah, I haven't ever. Is that just spinal tap? Is that the name of the movie?

Dylan 6:07

We are this is spinal tap. Yeah, that's what it is Okay. It's a mockumentary.

Brad 6:13

Or you want to start. You want to start? Okay, here's, I'm going to give you topics. Oh, these are the same topics. It's stupid people, or sports.

Dylan 6:24

We have a lot of recurring themes here. Yeah, I think you need to get some new material.

Brad 6:28

Yeah, I don't really run out of stupid people stuff.

Dylan 6:31

Okay, let's go there. You'll go there. Are you naming names? Do I need a censor?

Brad 6:36

No, I don't. This is not name based. These are general topics that clearly happen in specific situations.

Dylan 6:45

Okay, okay, I'll follow along, I'll bite.

Brad 6:48

So what we were just talking about offline here is there is a new video going around about a I don't know if he's not, he probably has a For Real Church, but it's a pastor and I'm also assuming he has an online presence and he had to explain that he was in a civil lawsuit for creating like a $1.3 million fraudulent cryptocurrency that he got his congregation to buy into, and it's him explaining that God told him to start this currency and then they kind of spent some money because God said that they needed to remodel their house, so they kind of spent a couple of hundred thousand dollars on that Kind of an accident.

Dylan 7:37

Index coin. Indx coin Is that what it is? Eli Regalado and his wife marketed their cryptocurrency to Christian communities in Denver, saying God told them people would become wealthy if they invested. The Colorado Division of Security set in a statement Thursday Some people did become wealthy. Nearly raised $3.2 million. It was just him, though. $1.3 million went directly to the Regalados family.

Brad 8:05

Oops, so my hot take was the IRS got half a million.

Dylan 8:13

Hey, that's good. Notice how they're not going after the IRS. What?

Brad 8:17

do you mean?

Dylan 8:19

They're not going to, irs isn't going to return that money. Yeah, I bet he'll be on the hook for all of it and the IRS will still keep their chunk Interesting. We'll have to follow this one.

Brad 8:33

Yeah, because they would be benefiting from fraudulent behavior.

Dylan 8:36

Yeah, I wonder what the clawback on that looks like. You imagine the paperwork? Okay, now we need the 10. We need the 10-C for BA.

Brad 8:44

I can't.

Dylan 8:44

Yeah.

Brad 8:47

So my hot take was God didn't tell you to do it. Take ownership over your wins and losses. Pretty controversial, is it?

Dylan 8:56

No, this one's the one that's always baffled me.

Brad 9:02

The losses are the cringy ones. So like this one where it's the Typically you hear it from the devil made me do it side. But when they flip the script and say that that God told me to get a house remodel, I have issues. I have some issues with that. The less annoying part is the wins. Like if you did the work, own it. Own the work, you did it. And if you didn't do the work, don't thank God, thank the people that did the work for you.

Dylan 9:40

Yeah, I've struggled with that one, because here I mean not the basis of all, but I would say the core Christianity groups is free will. I think that's pretty well established, that God gave you choice and you're on earth and if you choose him you'll be rewarded. And if you choose not to follow him, then there's might possibly be something not great for you afterwards. But then all of a sudden it's. But he did it for me. He didn't do it for me. Well, how did he intend for any of this to happen if he gave you choice for your own life? That one always drove me a little wild to think about, which is, when you do something great, own it. I did it, and sure, maybe he gave you strength to do it, or you had the strength because you had something you were believing in or that held you there but, I don't know.

Brad 10:42

This one seems If people were to watch this guy's interview or Wasn't really an interview, it was just him talking about what was going on. I mean, that's a scapegoat. He's using that as a scapegoat. He doesn't really believe that, and I guess my response would be what's the difference? What's the difference between him saying that and not believing it, or saying it and believing it? I don't know. I don't know what the answer is for that. I think it's really important that this is hot takes. It's not supposed to be serious.

Dylan 11:19

I know, I know, but it always goes back to believing yourself, believing your abilities.

Brad 11:26

Or don't. Or don't Just fuck everything up.

Dylan 11:29

You can do that too, but don't blame God when you do it. You can always just blame your circumstances and everyone around you, and those are my personal favorite take Just be like you know what. You know what. It's not my fault.

Brad 11:40

You know what I wanted a house remodel, and I didn't want to have to work very hard for it, so I created a scheme to fuck people over.

Dylan 11:48

And I got caught. It takes a little bit of know-how to do that.

Brad 11:52

Yeah, there was a little bit of thought. I couldn't start a cryptocurrency.

Dylan 11:57

Okay, now we're gonna need a 30 days 30 days to Brad's crypto Mmm? No, because.

Brad 12:04

I'll woodchuck coin. I don't want to have a civil lawsuit Brad's woodchuck coin. So the there was no exit, though that's you had an exit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was. The whole deal was like everybody was buying that. Everyone that bought into this had no way to either sell or use or Trade. I don't know that much about crypto, but it was essentially.

Dylan 12:29

It was essentially buying a voucher for something that you could use the only available in Kingdom wealth exchange, with which the rig all those shut down sounds legit, so they just shut down the exchange. Yeah, okay, here's your coin kingdom wealth. That's, that's fun.

Brad 12:45

You know, they say you got to spend money to make money.

Dylan 12:49

We. What we're believing for still, is that God is going to do a miracle. God is going to work a miracle in the financial. So, wow, okay.

Brad 12:57

God is gonna create an exit plan for this. Is that what's gonna happen? Sounds financially stable to me or he's gonna create a Miracle in the courtroom. That could happen.

Dylan 13:11

That's gonna take me back to Chappelle's fifth episode where he just pleads the fifth. It's like the law and order style episode it's. I played the fifth. Oh my god. One, two, three, four, fifth. So I watched that.

Brad 13:22

The other day. It's pretty good. That's the first one, oh.

Dylan 13:29

Well, he was 22, was serving a prince in a prison sentence for boosting cars, when his faith called him to become a pastor 20 years ago.

Brad 13:37

Oh, dickens Playboys got some history. I mean boosting cars, that's a. That's a far cry from scamming people.

Dylan 13:49

No, you're kind of just directly going after.

Brad 13:51

I would say there's more pride in that.

Dylan 13:53

Honestly there's. I mean, look at what Nick Cage did. You got in 60 seconds.

Brad 13:58

Master, master of his craft.

Dylan 14:01

There's, there's something to be proud of there. Yeah Well, did you watch the French Spider-Man documentary on Netflix about the Parisian art, the Persian art theft? No, he got like five masterpieces out of the Museum of Modern Art or the. I think it was a museum of modern art in France like the Thomas crown fair. It was a little little Thomas crown fair ask.

Brad 14:26

I had a hard time with his folding briefcase. Yeah, I never could figure it out.

Dylan 14:31

That, to me, is one of the major plot holes. And the briefcase. The briefcase yeah, it's stuck up on it too, because it's a larger, and then he fold it and then it comes back out and it's fine.

Brad 14:41

I don't, I don't understand it, because you got to break it. Yeah, even if you don't break the canvas.

Dylan 14:47

Yeah, I don't go, oh, I don't understand the wooden frame behind the canvas and then he puts it up on his, he puts it up on his.

Brad 14:53

Yes, like it's. Like it's solid. It's like that's not solid, that's flimsy. Fuck it's gonna fall off. You can't hang that on a nail.

Dylan 15:00

That's three quarter by three quarter. There's no way.

Brad 15:02

But then there's who's the lady in that Renee or so. Yeah one of her best. She got boob job for that movie for that movie. Yeah, maybe before that movie, but they debuted in that movie.

Dylan 15:13

They looked good, they did look good she was she looked good.

Brad 15:18

Both of them were what?

Dylan 15:19

they're in their prime. That was early 2000s prime, but both older. Yeah, they were there showing you the the sexy side of the golden years.

Brad 15:28

Well, I wouldn't say the golden years.

Dylan 15:31

Okay, let's go with late 50s. There's no way there there was 99 late 50s.

Brad 15:36

No what.

Dylan 15:37

No, Pierce Bronson was not in his late 50s.

Brad 15:40

Pierce Brosnan is 84 right now. He's really aged since Covid.

Dylan 15:48

Just an accelerator possibly 70, so that 25 years ago it was a 99. Yeah so it's 25 years ago. So he was 45. Oh, that's why. Yeah, it's good they're in their 40s. It's a good look, huh fuck, I'm in my 40s. You don't, you don't look it's god damn it. You look weathered, hagered.

Brad 16:10

How old was Renee Rousseau? If you say 43, I'm gonna fucking punch somebody.

Dylan 16:18

Renee Rousseau.

Brad 16:21

It's different now. Can we acknowledge that? What?

Dylan 16:24

do you mean it's different now?

Brad 16:27

I don't. I don't understand what you mean. I feel like there's a lot of really good looking 45 year olds walking around these days. She was 44, god.

Dylan 16:40

They just seem so mature. Yeah, I mean he was a. He was a wall street mogul and she was a sexy art investigator for a big time.

Brad 16:49

I'm sure they don't have any fucking kids Like they just steal shit and she chases shit. And then he's got like a fucking Shelby Cobra with 33s on it that he drives on his island. Fuck you, I want that car. No door handles. You gotta get over the top of it.

Dylan 17:06

They built that car custom for the movie. Yeah yeah. Who owns that car now? Richard Rawlins gas monkey garage. Does he own it? I think he, I don't, or he had a replica built.

Brad 17:21

I guess how many times I've watched that movie. How many, no, let's guess Are we talking about?

Dylan 17:27

are we talking about the?

Brad 17:32

Five fucking original five. Those are amateur numbers or rookie numbers. You got pump those numbers up 15, do it a multiple DVD. I had it on DVD. I haven't okay, okay, so that means that I didn't have anything else to watch besides a couple of other DVDs. It's in the multiple dozens, probably Okay, okay, more than a bakers for the bakers? Yeah, I think, richard just does have it, so I'd like to drink a whiskey and smoke a cigar, so you want to be in your mid 40s with no kid.

Dylan 18:04

That's a hot take, sorry, shannon. Mid 40s no kids.

Brad 18:08

Fuck. Do you know what people in their mid 40s with no kids do? Go on vacay, they fucking steal art, make a valid point and then they Give it back get asleep with investigators that have perfectly new accessories and go to an island to drive cool cars and Burn other art that may or may not be stolen. That happened and and they fall in love. Maybe they had kids late.

Dylan 18:36

It was a. It was at a Renoir, did you say. It was a nice little Renoir. Spoiler alert you said. And then she, they have kids, there's no, you don't know that there's no sequel.

Brad 18:46

Could have been a sequel, oh. Let's let's make the Thomas crown affair to there's please don't, please, don't, please, don't. I Could. I could come up with some plot twists for that one.

Dylan 19:03

Wow, the average age of marriage in the US is a lot higher than I thought it was.

Brad 19:07

I'm gonna go 29.

Dylan 19:10

Well, there's different male and female. Oh, male.

Brad 19:14

Male 29, okay, female 25. It's 32 and 30.

Dylan 19:21

Let's get the average way to second we get skewed here in the Midwest because we are substantially lower? Do?

Brad 19:29

Does that includes? That includes all marriages? That is the US so that's like second, third, fourth. So let's go by region.

Dylan 19:38

I Wanted actually the Midwest is higher than I thought it was too, hmm, oh.

Brad 19:45

I would have guessed where we're at right now Iowa. How about 18, 19 now? Oh, come on.

Dylan 19:55

I wonder if that's ever wonder if we go first marriage, if that changes it.

Brad 20:02

It's Uh. Hmm, I have Thought about this.

Dylan 20:11

Okay, tell me. Oh, my god it. Wow, tell me, that's substantial. What is it? Well, if we look back to the US census graph, it was 23.8 for men In 1950 and it was 20, so little looks like 20 and a half years, like 20.5 years old for women at that point, okay, and then they kind of stayed flat for women, but it went back down sharply for men to about 22 Point five so a little less than 23 years of age.

Dylan 20:53

So so women weren't digging the older guys no, they weren't okay on that one down. And now it's Deadly rose where it then this this started in 1975. It looks like we went from about 21 for women and 20, called 23 for men in 1975 and then it has just been a straight line to About 30, a little over 30 for men and a little over 28 for women. So that's contradictory to that. You that tied the not article I just read. But what is that? A difference of 20?

Brad 21:30

I love their new talk numbers. It's fucking fascinating.

Dylan 21:34

So eight, eight years and I Find it fascinating.

Brad 21:39

Okay, that's fun. I had a conversation on the way over here Kind of deals with that a little bit weddings.

Brad 21:49

No, we're talking about kids and the differences like females being more responsible, meals being less responsible, and my hot take was that it to that never changes. Males never become responsible, that they are driven by Impulse potentially three things to get things done. It's not that they can't seem responsible, it just their motives may be Simplified okay, let me. They want to Be proud of something Okay. They want to get paid for something Okay. Or they want to sleep with something.

Dylan 22:28

Brought of something paid for something. Sleep is something All right. What are the? What are the women criteria?

Brad 22:36

for I don't know.

Dylan 22:39

What didn't talk about that. Yeah, okay.

Brad 22:43

I'm guessing more than three. If I knew it, I'd be Mel Gibson in that fucking movie.

Dylan 22:50

What women want yeah, is that the hairdryer in the bathtub. What is that? How he, the hairdryer, falls in the bathtub in the bath.

Brad 22:59

I think he trips. I Think he would have died if the hairdryer went in the bathtub. He trips over something that hits his head. I don't know, makes no sense. I don't know at all.

Dylan 23:11

But yeah, everyone gives and just kind of went off on the Jews yeah.

Brad 23:16

Yeah, good thing that movie wasn't called what Jewish people want.

Dylan 23:21

Yeah, the irony there oh.

Brad 23:25

Why cuz he made a movie about Jesus?

Dylan 23:28

No, we're made a movie about doors opening.

Brad 23:32

Jesus was Jewish.

Dylan 23:36

Yeah, yeah, half his life what do you mean? Half his life got baptized at one point. Oh, he's cousin just can't get baptized. She just pick up, it's not.

Brad 23:47

it's not what happens we just walked out of the door with it. Something, yeah, yeah by John had John the Baptist. Oh yeah, that's what I just said why would he be called John the Baptist? Why not John the baptizer? Huh, oh, that wasn't like a job.

Dylan 24:04

I had description. I don't know, man, probably because our translations of the ancient text are shit at best.

Brad 24:11

We had to translate it it's. It's not in English.

Dylan 24:17

Damn it. We've been lied to this whole time.

Brad 24:20

It's what is it? Was it written Aramaic? No it. I think it's a thing, it's many.

Dylan 24:29

We get a Bible scholar on here. That would be cool actually. Yeah, I might be able to reach out to my buddy Todd. Oh, Dr Todd Haynes I. I hate this about 80.

Brad 24:41

I hate the way my brain works, why, god damn it?

Dylan 24:42

Where did you go?

Brad 24:44

Did you go to Christmas vacation? Oh, it's a Beavison butt head. Oh, I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea.

Dylan 24:51

I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea.

Brad 24:53

It was a Beavison butt head.

Dylan 24:54

Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that is.

Brad 24:59

So the same conversation I was having about the three. You know what? What drives meals?

Dylan 25:05

Sleep with something get paid, be proud. Can you do all three? Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Brad 25:11

Yeah, that's, that's probably the trifecta male jiggler. Yep, I don't know, maybe for some people it would be like reverse pretty woman, Right I?

Dylan 25:29

don't know. Yeah, I think that's it. Okay, reverse pretty woman. Write that down. Reverse pretty woman, that can be a that could be a pretty cool yeah.

Brad 25:38

Uh, that could be translated a couple different ways to reverse pretty woman, like make her only. You know, there's some nuance there but apparently in our last Friday episode, we we got Distracted, yes, distracted, okay, and People may have been under the assumption that we were Under some sort of influence or coherent or incoherent.

Dylan 26:07

Incoherent. Yeah, which we weren't yeah, friday episodes hot takes no rhyme or reason. I mean, if you're still listening after 26 minutes of this, you kind of know that there is absolutely nothing to listen to.

Brad 26:18

Obsessed. You guys just really went off on a lot of tangents. I was like, hey, you've listened to all the episodes. One of ten people, yeah you know. And so what happened right there? You said, todd, and then my brain's like Jumping in the hole, can't just that? Making connections can't help all over the place, that have absolutely no effect on anything, the? But my brain just wants to Go explore those things, mm-hmm.

Dylan 26:49

What's your favorite ADHD trait?

Brad 26:52

mm-hmm, I Don't, I don't think I love it yet hmm, I Do like exploring new things.

Dylan 27:02

I like when I tell somebody that you know like okay, oh, and then this, and then it just completely wipes out of my mind because I went to a different spider web and I can't go back, yeah, and they're like what, what? I don't know, I have no idea what I was just about to say, I'm sorry, bye. And they're like you can't, you can't go back, like no, that neural pathway has been broken. That's, there is no. There is no going back. Yeah, mmm, but then you'll wake up at like four o'clock in the morning and go oh, that's what I was supposed to talk about.

Brad 27:29

I Don't know that short, like short style videos are good for me either.

Brad 27:37

No no, they're not. No, oh, but I there some of her interesting, a Lot of them are interesting. Okay, good, can we end on this one. Okay, I thought I was gonna have a panic attack. I went Just the other night. I was just scrolling through some stuff and this, this thing popped up and it was a I don't know. There's some stuff on tiktok where it's like, hey, you want to hear like a super horrible thing that happened. You're like, no, but I'm gonna stick around and listen to it. And so it was about a, all about cave exploration. So the tiny little caves that you crawl into yeah, no, uh-uh, squirming your way around?

Brad 28:19

you know, have you been up to Makoka and got into some of the scary little places? I go about five feet in?

Dylan 28:26

that's it I don't like it, do not deal with it, don't like it?

Brad 28:29

Okay, I've done enough to know that, like the stuff that these people get into, where you are just body sized and you can't raise, lift, turn anything, you just have to squirm forward, right? So this story was about a guy and his brother that were in I can't remember where the cave was at, but I think it was called the corkscrew or something along those lines, and it was kind of this hard no, up and down type thing, hard Nope. And so you, you get into this area where you are just flat, your head has to turn sideways because that's how tall it is Right, you can't even like Go perpendicular to the floor. Okay, so your sideways.

Brad 29:10

And you go down a slope a little bit and then you got to crawl back up a slope a little bit and then there's apparently what they called the ledge, and the last time somebody had done this particular thing and this is probably a community Of people, right, people that go and explore these things, yeah and then they're they kind of talk about it. I'm sure there's a chat group online somewhere or something along those lines. So the last time somebody made it that far into the cave, you go down, you go back up and then you get to basically what they call a ledge, where there's a more significant drop off and there's enough room for the previous guy, who was Like five, six hundred and forty pounds, something like that, no To turn around.

Dylan 29:55

Mm-hmm.

Brad 29:56

The guy that was currently going in there was six foot two hundred pounds. No, could not turn around.

Brad 30:00

Okay so now he has to go down the descent Because he can't turn around and go back the way he came. So now he's going head first down a 70 degree slope and thinks he's going into an area that may open up to allow him to turn around, because he can't back out of the, the area that he's in, and so he ends up getting stuck head down a 70 degree angle into it. That basically just ends, and now nobody will know because his body may be stuck in there and he's yelling at his brother and you like, imagine, no, imagine just getting stuck upside down and then knowing that.

Brad 30:40

Now you're gonna die. Did he die? Do we know? Yeah, I died.

Dylan 30:48

Did I get his body?

Brad 30:49

I don't, I don't know, I don't think so I'm gonna hard pass on that one. I've heard a couple of these, but the problem is they go. You, you're so far into the cave system.

Dylan 31:01

Why would you do that I?

Brad 31:03

don't know, dude.

Dylan 31:04

It's not fun.

Brad 31:05

It's not. It's. It's really not in any way, shape or form. You know why? Tell me it's very uncomfortable. Yeah, let's put aside the fact that most people have extreme claustrophobia in that situation. Mm-hmm, it's just uncomfortable. It's cold, it's wet and you're bruised constantly because you're just banging off of rocks. No, that's all you're doing, yep. And guess what? They all look the fucking same.

Dylan 31:35

Have you seen?

Brad 31:35

13 lives on a no, I haven't yet.

Dylan 31:40

Yeah, that it's about. The ties are the high children's soccer team.

Brad 31:44

They get stuck in that cave in Thailand, yeah but what they were trying to swim through to get to them is, like, make it way more extreme, and then that's what this guy got stuck. Okay, I.

Dylan 31:58

Maybe just go watch the movie before you pass judgment.

Brad 32:01

Oh, no, I'm not saying it wasn't extreme at all.

Dylan 32:05

I'm just saying they had to take their tanks off Because they can't.

Brad 32:09

And then yeah, they had room for. They have room for tanks.

Dylan 32:12

Then they had to know. They put it in front of them, then they had to squirm through the hole. Yeah, like hard pass. Yeah hard pass.

Brad 32:19

I would Okay. So I was talking to somebody else about this because I was like I saw this it was 9 30 at night and I was like I'm gonna have nightmares about it.

Dylan 32:29

I'm gonna have nightmares tonight about it. Thank you, I just don't.

Brad 32:32

I don't. I don't like that, and I've watched the deepest breath on Netflix, which is the the hold your breath deep dive. Mm-hmm which is bananas. I highly recommend that. Not only is the whole thing bananas, but the documentary itself is really well done in terms of storytelling. They did a really good job. So that that makes me Queasy a little bit, but yeah, this thing so imagine being upside down.

Brad 33:00

As soon as you're stuck, you know you're gonna die because nobody's pulling you out. You can't, there's no way to pull you out. So not if. If you got stuck in that Area and you were five feet from a gigantic opening great cool, that's awesome. Not if you're like hundreds of meters inside a cave system. Yeah, no so, but my, my thought was, the saving grace is that he was upside down.

Brad 33:29

Oh, maybe he did pass out. Yeah, so hopefully I think so. The only thing worse would have been being upright. Yeah because then then you essentially start with this Good for you for being positive.

Dylan 33:41

Yeah, at what point did your body just give up and you stop having panic attacks, because you've got to go to the cycle of having a panic attack over and over? Yeah, Like it's like you calm down because your body dumps so hard. You come down from it and then it's got to work itself back up at some point.

Brad 33:56

I Don't know that's. I don't know how long it takes to pass out if you're upside down like that, but I think once you do your, you got to be like toast, right, maybe, I know. Or you just wake back up and you're like here we go again. Yeah.

Dylan 34:13

I was just saying, if you're upright that was my if you were gonna do the starved death thing and it took you over a month, it would take a month.

Brad 34:22

I don't know you don't have any water.

Dylan 34:24

What is it? How long did they say out of no water?

Brad 34:27

Well, it's supposed to be three days, but you can push that.

Dylan 34:30

I was yeah.

Brad 34:32

Yeah, it totally depends on the conditions and what your body starts out as, and and all that other stuff. Did I send you the or did we talk about it? The video of snowboarder in deep powder? He ended up flipping backwards and then a whole tree full. Yeah, that's a real thing.

Dylan 34:51

When you guys like, and that's something that we brief on. If I take new people into tree areas, when.

Dylan 34:56

I'm skiing. Wherever the tree, well, their tree wells, yeah. So the snow comes down off the trees, but then it it packs in where there's Less leaves, and around the trees or branches, I should say and that packs in hard. But then the wells, and you have to understand that the bases are Sometimes 90 to 100 inches, so even though you see a tree, you're really like 90 inches up off the ground because of the snow because of the snow.

Dylan 35:28

So, but everything underneath the trees kind of protected, so the snow that packs in there doesn't get really packed, it's really light. So it creates like a false kind of like trap door, if you will, okay, and so if you get close to it it can suck you in and a lot of people go upside down and do it Got you, and then the snow packs in around them and they suffocate the death.

Brad 35:45

Yeah, so this guy somehow landed backwards in one of these things, but then the snow that was actually on like the evergreen fell on top of him. So he he fell upside down, which is not good. And then snow fell on top of him and at some point later a skier happened to be coming by on that exact route and and looked back and saw just the tip of a snowboard. That was. That would be worse. I would rather I think I would rather be upside down in a cave, because as a snowboarder, you're like I'm five feet from just being fine and having a good day. That might be a little bit more Hope can't fucking move. I'd be a little bit more. I would be more hope. You wouldn't feel dead right away.

Dylan 36:34

Yeah yeah, the cave, the cave things looking pretty dire no, you're just like you're fucked.

Brad 36:39

Yeah, you're done. So don't ever talk about caves again, I, just I did, I did a cave in Vietnam.

Dylan 36:47

I did not like it.

Brad 36:48

Oh did you go in the Tunnels.

Dylan 36:51

Yeah, really yeah, I didn't like it. There were like 25 of us and it was, and so in Vietnam they only. Recently, when I meet recently, in the last 20 years they found this massive, maybe the biggest cave system in the world that they trust and, um, some of them are Matt. I mean one of the ones we went into which was like a big public exhibit when they actually have built like staircases down and in and walkways. You can fit like square blocks of Manhattan into it.

Dylan 37:21

Yeah, it's massive, yeah, but then they have all these really cool kind of Swimming holes like I think in Mexico they call them cenotes like kind of different holes, and then you can kind of travel back, and I was with a group and there was a guide and I didn't really know what was going on. I was just enjoying my day. I was just enjoying my day, mm-hmm, and all of a sudden we're in this very tiny cavern, in a mud pit with no light, and I just realized we'd walked for 35 minutes to get back here and it was single file. Mm-hmm, and I don't like the fact that I can't get out right now, yeah, so it took pretty much everything in me to not not have a panic attack.

Brad 37:58

Yeah, I don't like that. No exit plans.

Dylan 38:00

Nope, I was cool until I had the sharp. You know when you just don't realize what's happening and then all of a sudden you come back to reality and it's like, oh no, this isn't good, this isn't good. I felt like that at concerts before.

Brad 38:11

Yeah, you're at you, you're outside.

Dylan 38:13

Mm-hmm, you're not gonna.

Brad 38:15

You're not gonna suffocate. You got beer liquid, you're fine, mm-hmm. And then you realize that you're just shoulder to shoulder with 5,000 people, yeah, and.

Dylan 38:26

I don't like that. May as well be running with the bowls and Pample. I don't like it.

Brad 38:30

I don't like it either.

Dylan 38:31

So okay, I'm gonna let's end on that positive note. Don't do caves, children.

Brad 38:36

You're still here. It's over. Go home, go.