Ever found yourself questioning the essence of existence with a dose of humor to sweeten the existential dread? That's where we begin our latest episode, tiptoeing through the absurdities of life and the poignant reality of cancer's touch on us all. We trade quips and share heartfelt stories about coaching youth basketball, confronting the beast of cancer, and the therapeutic role laughter plays in the face of adversity. It's a genuine blend of levity and gravity, with anecdotes that'll have you nodding in agreement and chuckling at the ridiculousness we all navigate.
We then jump into the deep end of pet ownership, where our guest sheds light on the complexities surrounding dog breeding and adoption. From the uproar over the labradoodle's creation to the overlooked plight of less fortunate pups, we cover it all. Our exchange may ruffle some feathers as we question the ethics behind breeding, the online personas of our furry friends, and why our hearts often ache more for animals than humans. But don't worry, we keep it balanced with humor, because what could be funnier than imagining our social media ruled by dog profiles?
The episode takes an introspective turn as we confront the inevitable farewells we bid to our pets, drawing parallels to the delicate subject of assisted suicide. From the emotional decisions at the vet's office to Switzerland's stance on the right to die, we navigate these tender waters with care and thought-provoking insight. And because life isn't all somber, we wrap up with a nod to the delightful British custom of high tea—because who wouldn't want a bit of charm and champagne to brighten their day? Join us on this journey that swings from the solemn to the spirited, and everywhere in between.
Ever found yourself questioning the essence of existence with a dose of humor to sweeten the existential dread? That's where we begin our latest episode, tiptoeing through the absurdities of life and the poignant reality of cancer's touch on us all. We trade quips and share heartfelt stories about coaching youth basketball, confronting the beast of cancer, and the therapeutic role laughter plays in the face of adversity. It's a genuine blend of levity and gravity, with anecdotes that'll have you nodding in agreement and chuckling at the ridiculousness we all navigate.
We then jump into the deep end of pet ownership, where our guest sheds light on the complexities surrounding dog breeding and adoption. From the uproar over the labradoodle's creation to the overlooked plight of less fortunate pups, we cover it all. Our exchange may ruffle some feathers as we question the ethics behind breeding, the online personas of our furry friends, and why our hearts often ache more for animals than humans. But don't worry, we keep it balanced with humor, because what could be funnier than imagining our social media ruled by dog profiles?
The episode takes an introspective turn as we confront the inevitable farewells we bid to our pets, drawing parallels to the delicate subject of assisted suicide. From the emotional decisions at the vet's office to Switzerland's stance on the right to die, we navigate these tender waters with care and thought-provoking insight. And because life isn't all somber, we wrap up with a nod to the delightful British custom of high tea—because who wouldn't want a bit of charm and champagne to brighten their day? Join us on this journey that swings from the solemn to the spirited, and everywhere in between.
On a desolate, frozen tundra surrounded by mindless, brain numbing cold takes, two bros trek through the nothingness to bring hope to a new generation. You are about to experience brad and dylan's hot takes. Here we go again.
Dylan:Again, trifecta number three. That doesn't mean anything to all listeners. That's great.
Brad:I like to start off the worst of this remember, everything we do is just killing time, until time kills us.
Dylan:I wish you did until we meet again. I wish you would do Peterson instead. Oh.
Brad:Okay, so whenever I do Peterson, I just have to start channeling kermit.
Kermit:Okay you know and Like, the really hard part about being alive is just knowing that everything we do is just killing damn time, until the time comes and it kills us.
Dylan:You have to do skeletor is it good? You have to do skeletor as.
Kermit:George Peterson I love it. Now on I love it.
Brad:Okay, we'll end with them. We'll end with one.
Dylan:Yes, that's not gonna be near, as that's a hell of a way to start an episode. Hell of a way to end an episode. Yeah, okay, I don't know how we still have listeners at this point, though. All right, because our materials been shit.
Brad:Uh, we're just really good grass, spinach, straws oh yeah, that too, that's fine. Okay, welcome to another hot takes, hot, takes, hot and loose. I need to get that I need to get that.
Kermit:I need to get the fast allowed.
Dylan:I'm with Ben Stiller again, again. No midi button. Yeah, why not? I don't really like it. You don't like our intro? No, do you want me to redo it? No, okay.
Brad:Yeah, we'll redo it someday.
Dylan:Okay, maybe when we get a legit engineer.
Brad:Yeah, I. I'm just sad because I didn't have Chick-fil-A sauce tonight.
Dylan:I have, I have.
Brad:Chick-fil-A sauce. Yeah, I was angry coming in here though.
Dylan:Yeah, let's go with that.
Brad:Uh, they should have been two weeks ago. It was episode. By the way, not angry, I'm getting good at this time continuing.
Dylan:Great Good for you, okay, continue.
Brad:Great, I likened teaching teaching teaching is a heavy word Coordinating youth basketball. It's like trying to teach Cats how to jump rope.
Dylan:Okay, yeah, they don't have thumbs. How do they hold the rope? That's a problem, yeah.
Kermit:Yeah.
Brad:It's it's a lot happening and it seems you know like a Not terribly hard task to do, but let me guess they just keep running around and meowing.
Dylan:And what's? Uh, what's the modern? What's the modern Modern youth cat meow sound like nowadays.
Brad:Oh, oh, I thought we were talking about cats. Jump roping Okay, yeah, um, no, the same, okay, I don't think. I don't think the dialect gets trendy until middle school. That's a fascinating, and right now it is bra Bra, that's so mid bra.
Dylan:What the fuck is mid, mid, just not good, just middle of the pack. Yeah, you're just mid. That's what they say. Yeah, what did I, what did we say? What was your guys's term?
Kermit:Okay.
Dylan:Yeah, yeah, I don't think we were that Uh.
Brad:I don't what.
Dylan:Yeah, I mean, there was some, and we're probably gonna have like cove at 19 and all these like gender phobia, elicit or explicit Tags all over our pockets now, because you just said that what that used to be your guys's term for mid. I don't know it was really a hell of a drug?
Brad:Yeah, it is. What was my, what was my take for today?
Dylan:I don't know what your take is. I don't write the hot takes you. What's yours? You haven't had any in like weeks. No, I'm not really that angry with the world. Oh boy, I mean I'm really angry with the world. But I had a. I had a really Interesting circumstance happened to me the past few weeks, so I've been in a. It could always be worse mode, so I've been very grateful and gracious wow.
Dylan:Gratitude all around. Good for you. Yeah, I guess I guess my hot take is fuck cancer. Yeah, it's, it's, I think it's probably my hot take. I think there's a lot of people that that have been affected by it and it just it really kind of hits home when it I shouldn't say it hits, that's, that's a redundant. It really Excess rebates itself when it, when it, when it hits so close to home about really what the meaning of fuck cancer is and it's, it's detrimental. It really is because it it takes. And it's not that all sickness isn't all that, life isn't precious at every stage, but it's just a destroyer out of nowhere you know you get.
Brad:You can get used to a lot of things, but cancer never really grows on you.
Dylan:It grows in.
Brad:You've been on on it. Yeah, I get it.
Dylan:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is my coping mechanism. Humor, yeah, mine too. Wow, I know you didn't get my prism the other day.
Kermit:So it doesn't matter cuz I thought it was spectrum.
Dylan:I thought it was drinking, but oh no, there's a lot of that too.
Kermit:Okay.
Dylan:Okay, that's fair. And if my lawyer ever asked this, was my real voice.
Brad:Like you, don't do a good job at this. Do what hot takes.
Dylan:Fuck cancer, that's my hot.
Brad:That's not a hot take. No one is gonna stand up and disagree with you and like no, that's a good thing, so we need more cancer in our lives.
Dylan:I Mean if I was possibly controversial if I was a CFO, ceo, c-suite level vice president exact for striker I would be all for cancer, okay what is they? Make a lot of money on people. What if? Yeah, hear me out. Striker's a med rep company, by the way. This is their medical devices. This is my brain amongst the many things. My brain working in new ways. Okay.
Brad:What if cancer is a Gateway to god? Is a genetic evolution that we are mishandling.
Dylan:I mean it really is because we're not carrying it, so we are mishandling it. I, yeah, I don't mean carrying it you walked into that one asshole.
Brad:Maybe. Yeah, by the way, I don't think that's what it is. I know, I'm just saying like you've just ostracized. Yeah, you're, you're. You're just like, uh, kill it with chemicals. And then you know, little tiny baby Jesus is up there just being like, no, you're supposed to do this, do it, it'll change your whole life.
Dylan:You know, yeah, cherubs would be the cherubs or the angels.
Brad:Uh, because, cherubs aren't angels.
Dylan:I don't think I thought cherubs were fat babies. They are, but they have wings. I don't know, there's a difference. I don't weird, I know.
Brad:Um uh, do you think angels would be cute or scary?
Dylan:Scary Mmm. Yeah, not a chance in hell. There I saw a fun one the other day which was even the devil's not atheist. His job is to make you one. That one was. I thought that was good marketing.
Kermit:That's his job.
Dylan:That was a good line. That's his job. That was a good line. I was like that's good, well done, that's good. Someone in your marketing department did well.
Brad:Well done, lucifer, you won.
Dylan:Probably a nice guy.
Brad:So we're just going back to again. You don't have.
Dylan:I have a lot of hot takes. You don't have any.
Brad:I got a good job though, so I have to be careful you don't have any hot takes. No, do you know how many dogs are euthanized every year? Approximately Mmm. The shelter animals, 20% Of what.
Dylan:Whatever the number of dogs and shelters are.
Brad:Who knows what that number is?
Dylan:Don't come to me with bullshit numbers. Come to me with stats. I have a stat, Okay give me the stat 400,000. Wow Is that a lot Seems like a lot.
Brad:How much space? Is that? Cats and dogs? No, it's just dogs, dogs. Cats are only slightly higher, about 500,000.
Dylan:They breed faster.
Brad:They have bunnies, do they kill?
Dylan:bunnies too.
Brad:Yeah, probably. Okay, bunnies fuck like rabbits, so they're repopulated.
Dylan:That should be a bumper sticker. Word. That should be a bumper sticker.
Brad:Also, cats do a really good job of killing themselves. I feel like there's a little bit of natural selection there. Yeah, I feel like if another animal was going to do murder, suicide, it'd be a cat. I think no, yeah, I mean they just murk like a bunny and then run out in the street and get hit by a car.
Dylan:I can't believe what.
Kermit:I just did.
Dylan:It's possible, why? That's why that is so funny, because my cats, because cats are crazy. That's exactly how they would do it. Annie would be like last meal I need cheese puffs and then we'll move on.
Brad:Yeah, yeah, so that's a fair amount of dogs dead. So my hot take was that if you decide that you need to breed dogs, that you get to just keep all those dogs.
Dylan:The ones. If you breed dogs and you give them the good loving homes, it's not necessary right now. Oh, I see where you're going. You're one of those people that's anti dog breeders, and everyone should get sheltered dogs instead.
Brad:Up to the point where you don't need to do that anymore.
Dylan:Okay, and then my counter argument is the ones doing it legally aren't the problem. It's the fucking puppy mills that are causing the issue. So the people living inside the confines of the kennel clubs and everything else are going to be punished because there's criminals other places doing bad things that are making this problem happen? No, that's what you're saying, oh, no, okay, so people that legally breed dogs and live within the confines of what is ethical breeding are going to be punished because they should just have to keep them all?
Kermit:Yeah.
Dylan:Okay, yeah, and that the problem is systemically there is because it's not the wrong term. How is it their problem that other people are doing it puppy mill style and causing this massive influx of dogs in the shelters?
Brad:It's not just puppy mills Okay.
Dylan:It's also irresponsible owners. So I don't agree. I don't agree with the pet co and the glass wall where you get the kids hearts beating towards animal. So, for example, the dogs that my family has adopted from proper breeders. You have to go and you have to get vetted as a family, okay, and then they will say no if they don't feel like you're a good fit for what their animals are. And sometimes they say yes, or they say yes probably more than no, but they have the right to refuse.
Kermit:Okay.
Brad:As do shelters Okay. So yeah, I'm interested in that, yes, stringent Okay, probably based on the typical cockapoo bringer. Okay, maybe.
Dylan:I have no idea, I don't know either. But why you're punishing people that do a responsible job because others are irresponsible.
Brad:Yeah, you know why? Why?
Dylan:Because everybody doesn't want your fucking dog. But why am I? As if they're not creating an influx in the system? And those dogs live with families until they're old and die. What's the problem with that? I think your hot take is invalid.
Kermit:You don't like it.
Dylan:I mean it's fine, I like debate.
Brad:What about, like? Dogs are part of your family? Yeah, yeah so, but we can't sell kids.
Dylan:I mean you can, if you're way fair, oh sure, we're going to get sued.
Kermit:I forgot about that. Yeah, we're going to have to work out the way fair might come after us.
Brad:That wasn't directly with them. No, it was through them.
Dylan:Sorry, way fair. I apologize. You were just a medium for transport.
Brad:That was that was I forgot about that $69,000 locker. So it's, it's some of that where it's like they, we keep selling like don't make me say no no, it goes.
Dylan:It goes back to the three hours, the reduced, the reuse, and you can't recycle the dog, but it's, it is. What are we doing?
Brad:I'm a little nervous.
Dylan:There's a little bit of consumerism with it. That's and a little bit is the wrong term. It's yeah and yes, there are some ethical dilemmas there of why do we keep a lot of it Allowing people to buy Frenchies, this mass product? Yes, I'm not a big Frenchie fan. I think they're cute, but I would never want one.
Brad:They can't breathe. People it is they can't breathe.
Dylan:I mean, you just think about they're genetically mutated to not have good.
Brad:You're breeding a thing in the wrong, Like Darwin is like no, that's not the fucking right way. You guys are going opposite.
Dylan:Could have said that about COVID too.
Brad:What.
Dylan:What Sheard mentality Say it, that's fine.
Brad:That's, that's all. But also there's there's people that.
Dylan:I mean when I, when I get a dog because I can't have one right now because I just like to, just I'm. I'm a free spirit, I like to go with the wind, and that's not nice to the dog.
Brad:I love dogs more than anything. I will.
Dylan:I will get a purebred lab.
Brad:Why.
Dylan:Because, because, why? Because, when I get that nice oil painting of me and it and all tweed on the top of my mantle. It's going to look beautiful. Okay, both my labs are beautiful. I mean, one just tries to attack me all the time.
Brad:He doesn't.
Kermit:In a loving way.
Dylan:Yeah yeah, he's fine. He's got lumps on his shoulders. He dumb, it's not going to look good in the oil painting.
Brad:He doesn't have lumps on his shoulders.
Dylan:Okay.
Brad:Fuck you.
Dylan:I'm a little ill proportioned, can't win the.
Brad:He is a beautiful boy, can't?
Dylan:Can't win Best in Show with ill proportions, don't know he has a fuck about Best in Show.
Brad:No, you're right, nobody does Nobody important. Anyways, I love that movie but there are people that have they have breeds. That the problem is when people take like a working breed and you get an anomaly and they're like such a good house dog, we should have puppies. But the puppies come out like they're supposed to and they're fucking maniacs.
Kermit:And they're like I don't know what happened Like yeah, you had a bad one.
Brad:It's not normal and bad meaning it was good based on what you thought was good. So Now you got this shit happens. Oh, I forgot about this guy Also. People should have to. Benjamin Button dogs.
Dylan:What do you mean? Should have to? How do you? How do you, benjamin Button, you just create a genetic anomaly on your own way. Yeah.
Brad:Yeah, like you got you, you have to. If I had unlimited space and time, I would adopt only geriatric dogs, I think I think they have the most love to give, but everybody gets sucked in by the puppies. That's what I mean. Like you should have to get a dog based on oh yeah, so end of life.
Dylan:So this is it. This is an interesting article. It's back from 2019. It's the Guardian for anyone. I'm not going to post it in the comments so that you guys can vet it, but you can look it up yourself. The man who invented the golden doodle says that that is his life's biggest regret Wally Conron. He said he created a Frankenstein monster and I forgot about this because I've read this before. But he regrets it because it's become so popular and to your point, there's a ruthless breeding where people are doing it for big dollars but they are genetic mutation that has serious mental health and hereditary problems, and so what you don't see because breeders know this is they know kind of early on if there's a runt or some issues and you just never see that dog again.
Dylan:That puppy again, and then all of a sudden, when you get there, there's five cute ones. You're like oh, this is great, this is a beautiful litter. You don't see the four that might have maybe had issues, because they go bye-bye. Are you saying they shouldn't go bye-bye? I'm not saying they shouldn't, but you just killed half of them.
Brad:Also, that guy sounds a lot like the guy that also invented Bud Light Lime.
Dylan:So I like that beer.
Brad:Yeah, that's my hot take Bud Light Lime is great Genetic anomaly that became insanely popular, created some monsters.
Dylan:Created some monsters, it's. You know it's good. You just get off the bike, you go into the bar and you're just like hey, give me a six pack of Bud Light Lime and you're gonna be shot in the wall?
Brad:I do not know that scenario at all. Oh, I don't. I've never ridden a bike to a bar.
Kermit:Have I? No, I have not.
Brad:Have you ridden a B-S-C-L-A? Nope, okay, tipped over a motorcycle once, so.
Dylan:I could see you being that guy like.
Brad:Tipped over a motorcycle.
Dylan:Yeah, fucking weak. Is that a? You've never seen that movie either. It doesn't matter what Pee Wee Herman, american Graffiti. Oh yeah, I've seen that one, yeah, when he rolls up on his moped and he knocks it over right off the bat, that's you it yeah, nice Vespa it is, it's fine. Vespa's are pretty cool.
Brad:Do people use dogs as part of their identity?
Dylan:Oh yeah, my ex-girlfriend has a social media account. What's that say about me? It's all devoted to her dog and that's to get likes, because her profile can't get likes.
Brad:Yeah, I only post dogs on my work page. You have a work page? Yeah, oh, good for you. Nobody cares about my work, but they like dogs.
Dylan:I'm gonna bleep that last part out about my ex-girlfriend. I don't like talking about my exes like that, I'm sorry.
Brad:Okay, well, now you gotta bleep that part out too. That's fine, great. Also, I don't like. I would prefer people's pets have Instagram profiles over them. 100%. I like them, yeah. No, if they're authentic.
Dylan:Actually this is a good rule. I don't like rules. I don't either. I don't like. But how about this first social experiment? Okay, you don't get to have your own social media until you do in animals social media, okay, and that you can prove to a board that it didn't get wild and out of control and self-centered and it actually provided some value. And that could be based on various metrics, one being letting people around you know what's going on, consumerism, growth, just making sure those products get sold, et cetera.
Brad:And now I feel like. I feel like that's why you should only have the pets, because it is hard to get out of control.
Dylan:That's what I'm saying.
Brad:I don't see a lot of people's pet accounts talking about politics. That's what I'm saying.
Dylan:That's what I'm saying. A bunch of Frenchies. There's the battle of the Frenchies. You got Make America. You got Make America. Great dog sweaters over here, and then you've got Biden's.
Brad:It's Biden economics over here on the left, it's all Frenchies, but they're all wearing the fucking neon reflective vest.
Dylan:Oh that's embarrassed. When is it? When is pride in New York City only going to be dogs? It is only dogs on a float, yeah. You're right, that's a way better. America right there.
Brad:I don't.
Dylan:I don't hate it, I. Why do we? Why do we have more compassion for animals than we do for other humans? That's my hot take Cause. I absolutely have more compassion for animals than I do other humans, I believe my dad has taught me a few things in this life.
Brad:Okay, One was why don't you have a watch on your wedding day?
Dylan:That's I watch is an important day as a or something that's big in my family. Okay, so that's no I. That's why I'm agreeing with you.
Brad:Yeah, that was news to me, because I was unaware of it apparently.
Kermit:So did he get you a watch? No, he did not. He just slapped you.
Brad:He was just like why the fuck aren't you wearing a watch? And I was like I don't have one.
Dylan:I thought you were the guy that was supposed to teach me dad why didn't you do it? Before this I don't know, that's fun Actually, that's just that's more on your dad than it is on you.
Brad:Yeah, never pick up a hitchhiker, unless it's a woman and a child. Okay, I'm doing some movies that make me question that theory Now salt burn. No, I haven't watched that one yet. I haven't either, but I'm.
Dylan:But then you can't just it's our podcast, that you can do whatever we want.
Brad:But the other one was it's easier to shoot a human than it is to shoot a dog.
Dylan:Did you have experience?
Brad:in this, let's say allegedly Okay.
Dylan:All right, allegedly.
Brad:So and yeah. Well, you could even put parameters on that.
Kermit:Okay.
Brad:So it's easier to shoot a bad person than it is a good dog.
Dylan:Yes.
Brad:See, you just go down that continuum. You're like oh yeah, you start at the top and everyone's like yep, check, yeah, no problems. But Dogs, they love you unconditionally. Yeah, unless it's the ones that buy you, then you just don't. Then they're just your ex husband that they still loves you. They just don't understand you they just don't.
Dylan:They just don't know how to express their love other than their fists, yeah well.
Brad:Jesus, yeah, everything, everything is a nail. I guess Maslowe's thank you for ruining my dog analogy. Yeah, we'll start doing these by myself okay.
Brad:I'd love for you to put this all together. I can't do it. It just may be pressing a button. How do I get this thing to turn on? But yeah, there it's. I don't know. It's hard and great having dogs. I know a lot of people that lose dogs and they're like never again. I'll never go through that again. That was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It's like, if you're done, fran Jesus, no, yeah.
Dylan:But to me it's always so. We're so. Where do you fall into that? So this is a friend, if we're gonna know, if we're gonna do the dog conversation. This is always the fun one of how long do you let them live and how long do you Know, as you can see dogs start to spiral. Oh yeah, what's? Where's the ethical boundary for you when it comes to Take him out of their misery versus let them live as long as possible? Because I've seen so sneezing. I've seen some, I've seen both sides, I've seen some people where I'm like that might be a little premature excessive sneeze and then I've seen some people where I'm like you are making them suffer just because you don't have the emotional capacity.
Brad:I see that plenty. Which side?
Dylan:the second part, the emotional capacity to deal with the proper thing to do. Yeah, yeah I.
Brad:Get it blind, deaf, can't walk, urinates everywhere.
Dylan:Mm-hmm, but they're so happy. Look at them, you're like what? Where you talking? How, in what world?
Brad:do you live in when you think that's me and an afterlife doesn't exist? I'm gonna fucking figure out how to make one so I can come back. Yeah, exactly, in some.
Dylan:I will in some way shape or form right now.
Brad:Guess what, guess what dogs that only bite people. That's what they were in a previous life.
Kermit:Mm-hmm. Oh, that's my hot take that's good.
Dylan:Yeah, that's good.
Brad:Kujo, he was a miniature poodle. Mm-hmm, that was left too long.
Dylan:Okay, yeah, and then he came back. Yeah, he had a lot to live up to you know the reckoning. I'm not gonna be well when Annie goes down, yeah, but I'll do it. I'll do it.
Brad:Yeah, cats, I mean I'm not going to catch a little, definitely going to put her in the room. Of what room? Okay.
Dylan:You're gonna go?
Brad:in there.
Dylan:Yeah, I'm not okay.
Brad:Yeah.
Kermit:I'm.
Brad:I have a hard time with those people too.
Dylan:What? Just you're watching them suffer so over there?
Brad:No, they know like the people that are like I'm not going. Oh, I have a problem with that too, or the. So there's very there's I'm not taking them, or I'm just gonna drop them off at the door, or there's. There's different levels to it, you know that's and that's. I remember when we moved we had a like an Irish setter mix. It's my dad's dog, yeah.
Dylan:I think that's.
Brad:I got. Maybe I'll talk about that therapy next time. Okay, that's a good one, yeah.
Dylan:I like that we write down our hot takes and our therapy.
Brad:I was, like always connected to dogs growing up, and this one was an outside dog.
Kermit:Mm-hmm so.
Brad:I had a pen and a kennel doghouse and then we had a stray that walked up one day.
Brad:So years after I mean I was, I don't know, six or seven something like that Previous had had this other dog for Probably since I was a baby or so, yep, and always been outside.
Brad:And then the stray walks in and she's like a spaniel mix, smaller, and all of a sudden, like she gets to live in the house, she gets table scraps and she gets to poop in the grass and not on concrete, so, but near the end of his life so that was when I was closer to 12 ish, something like that I started hanging around him a lot more and before we moved we were moving to a house that was single story, to a like a split for whatever, and he wasn't gonna be able to do steps and I mean he was like falling down just trying to walk around the yard and All that stuff. And so my dad took him and had it put down before we actually moved out of the house. Oh, he didn't really tell Me at least. I mean, he probably told other people, I think, but I was. I remember being pissed that, like I didn't get to go with him.
Brad:So yeah, I always did that you, I don't.
Dylan:If you wanted, if you're going to enjoy the good times, you have to be there, for you got to share the pain. You do, you do and I don't. I've had some instances when I've talked to people into it which was well, they're so far gone, I don't even know if they're gonna know I'm there, you know I and they. They tell themselves lies which is Well, I don't want to remember. Well, this way, actually, one drives me up a wall is I don't want to remember them this way, like it's no, no, no, no. If they, if they, provided that much joy to you, yeah, you don't get to cop out the last second, you selfish bastard, because Hot take, hot take that no it does that.
Dylan:This one drives me.
Dylan:And I do understand if you have such an insufficient capacity or capability emotionally to be able to deal with that, then those are your problems. But you're not going to. You're not going to Diminish or reduce the joy that someone can have at the end of their life because you don't have the facilities to do it. That's on you to figure it out. Yeah, I, I. It is no excuse for you to be a coward at the end of somebody else's life when, even if they aren't quote unquote with it, you can't say that you're present, you don't. You can't say with certainty that your presence isn't a good thing for them, right, and now you're taking away something from them at the end of their life, when they've provided so much joy to you. You're not willing to return in kind.
Brad:That's gonna be like when I'm on my deathbed and I'm not coherent and you're standing next to me.
Dylan:I'm gonna be sitting in the back of my head with a coloring book drawing on your chest.
Brad:I can't respond, but I'm just like.
Dylan:I wish this motherfucker wasn't in the room right now I gotta go out like this I am going to be Indian style on your lap, drawing a paint my number. Actually, I'm going to be painting a paint my numbers on your chest. Great, and Shannon's gonna be like what are you doing? I'll be like I love it, yeah.
Brad:That's, that's nice the world I.
Dylan:I don't know, I've just I've I had a friend that was like, oh, I can't go see my, my grandma, that way. I'm like, no, you're going to get in the car and you're going to drive and go see her, yeah. And then they did. And then they called and thanked me afterwards because I said you know what that actually was necessary.
Brad:Yeah, uh, I feel like I have a harder time with people than dogs.
Dylan:And that's fine.
Brad:So what's that Say it Means you're weak. I don't know. I think it's a fear factor about?
Dylan:Do you switch places with them? Are you imagine if it's you?
Brad:Yeah, I mean you like imagine yourself being in that. You know just like I want to Want to do that, and there's also some of that, yeah, so I guess the way people talk about dogs is the way I talk about people sometimes.
Dylan:Big softie. No, the other way.
Brad:Yeah, put him down, just like I want to remember him that way. It's not the same All that, yeah.
Dylan:Yeah, you kind of get a choice with the dog, don't you A little bit? You don't get a choice with your significant others. Man, maybe that's. Yeah it's different, though. How do we feel about that, kvorkian?
Brad:Well, that's what it always leads into. It's like how can I be so humane to this animal?
Dylan:Yeah.
Brad:But if this was my dad?
Dylan:Does anyone allow medical euthanasia? Is Switzerland.
Brad:There's a real fine line between that too, because I've been present for some of those and they're like, oh yeah, we gave them some more morphine. It's like, well, that just kills them. They're like, oh, it slows their heart rate down. It's like, how is this different? It's because this is OK to give them, like, this is an acceptable drug to give them, even though that is essentially what stops their heart. In the end, there gets to be a point where. You're really splitting hairs.
Dylan:Terminal cancer. You get so much pain towards the end where they just keep microdosing in terms of a little bit at a time, where they keep, but they keep bumping, bumping.
Brad:Yeah.
Dylan:And then eventually you're like your heart just stops.
Dylan:I've been around for a hospice nurse to come in when somebody had just died and they were looking at the pain meds. And because they have to take all the pain meds out of the house because they're all narcotics and that's one of their jobs as a hospice nurse is to make sure that those don't fall into the wrong hands, because or the right hands or the right hands Maybe a couple hundred dollars did get passed around. I don't know, but I remember them putting it in their bag, which then they soak with water and then they garbage disposal it. But they looked at the bag and they looked at everyone. They're like seriously, this is what he was on. How is he not dead before this? Yeah, they're like. I've been in this industry for a long time.
Kermit:And then John Mayer started playing. Your body is a wonderland.
Dylan:We might want to study. We might want to study.
Kermit:Yeah.
Dylan:But it is funny to you. It's something I guess I've even thought about that way, yeah, we won't kill you, we'll just do it in another way without calling it killing you.
Brad:Yeah, you're in a weakened state and you, at that point, most likely are at end of life. We're just going to give it a little nudge, just so it's not prolonged. We're like well, ok but why do we get to decide that now and not two weeks ago or four weeks ago, or if we do it in another?
Dylan:lens Jesus Christ. Termination of life on request and assisted suicide. Act of 2001 permits doctors to prescribe drugs for self-administration. The individual involved must be at least 12 years old and parental consent is required for those aged 12 to 16.
Brad:Only 16?.
Kermit:Yeah, but they're 18 there, oh yeah.
Dylan:So Switzerland, but also oh, swiss criminal code of 1942 permitted adults to assist in other suicide, as long as the motor for doing so was not selfish. Can you imagine being in a court of law and trying to identify what's selfish? Nope, that sounds very open-ended.
Brad:What was that Swiss yeah.
Kermit:Yeah.
Brad:That's right. No, I'm for it.
Dylan:Assisted suicide is lawful, irrespective of the condition of the person who acqui-. Oh, you can just do it in Switzerland. Apparently. That says a lot about how probably happy that country is, or what resources they have. They're like yeah well, let anyone do it if they really want to do it, because we don't have a problem.
Brad:With what.
Dylan:I don't know. Let's look it up, let's look it up, let's look it up.
Brad:So happiness rates they haven't been to war for a while.
Dylan:It's because everyone's really afraid of them. Are they, do you not under? No, they're completely surrounded by mountains. They have fake houses in the middle of their country that are like missile sites. The whole country's a militia.
Brad:I thought they were neutral.
Dylan:They are. But the whole point of Hitler didn't go at them because you would have to go through the mountains and he knew that they would. They have hidden bunkers everywhere and he knew they would decimate him. That's, they have a for their fortress of a country. That's why they're neutral.
Brad:I Thought it was because of the leader hosin.
Dylan:Oh no. Do they make it out of silk, or do they make it out of calf skin?
Brad:I don't know, I Thought the Germans are just like I like your style. We're gonna leave you alone. No it was because of all the passes they'd have to go. Do they have missiles back then? No it was just the geography yeah because they've well.
Dylan:So pre all this you don't quote me exactly on this but pre all the Neutrality they got in a couple they've getting some skirmishes and nobody was able to ever make the pass. So there was like I'm just not gonna, just not gonna do that.
Brad:Was it like? Was it Belgium, that the Germans were trying to go through and they flooded? The country but they had the Belgium. This was World War one, I think, and the Schlieffen plan the Germans were like we're just gonna pass through here.
Dylan:Yeah, no, it was supposed to be. It was supposed to be two weeks tops.
Brad:Yeah, they're like, we're just gonna pass through and Then the those TORRIT gunner.
Dylan:Like they had that little fake wall. That was a wall.
Brad:Well, belgium had. They flooded the forts, yeah, from Previous, so like they were impenetrable from cannon fire. Yeah, and they stacked bodies Because they would just machine gun from these like in ground forts. Yeah, and the Germans were coming after them and they just stacked to the point where they were shooting holes through walls of bodies to shoot the other bodies yeah but, they still lost then Germany was like hey, by the way, on this train we have the biggest artillery gun we've ever made. And they brought a couple.
Dylan:It took two weeks to get there.
Brad:It's gonna take a while because we have to pour a concrete pad so that we can put it on it. Yeah, but one we're gonna fuck your world, and then they did.
Dylan:Yeah, that's where the term shell shot comes from everyone. I don't know if anyone knows that. Yeah, it's from the big artillery Um, huge, the guns were in that. Shells were just falling on everyone, whether, whatever side you were on, and you just Everywhere, everywhere and nonstop.
Brad:Yeah, you know, look up that. Oh my stats, when I mean of how many, Dan Carlin goes into that of how many shells go off. That is wild, it's insane.
Dylan:You're like okay. So like literally for 22 hours of my day I'm just expected to have a shell hit me. Like you, imagine the constant state of anxiety.
Brad:I mean, what are? I can't remember what some of the Numbers are off of, like what they would release in a day, but just think it's thousands. So if you're going all day long, just a man, what's? I don't. I'm looking at thousands, hundreds of explosions an hour, at least Major explosions heaviest shell used during World War one was thirty one hundred pounds.
Dylan:It was French, by the way. Oh, that was one shell.
Brad:Yeah, that's a Volkswagen.
Dylan:Yeah, yeah, that is a Volkswagen.
Brad:Yeah, and then they're just falling, like like a little shelter cats and dogs the British used thirty three point five million shells in May of 1917 holy shit. Three and a half million in a month.
Dylan:Yeah, that's so hundred.
Brad:Thousand a day.
Dylan:Oh my god.
Brad:How do you even calculate? How do you even have that many guns to shoot that many?
Kermit:Oh.
Brad:With that. No, that wouldn't include aircraft. So three point five.
Dylan:I weird, there's three hundred three point five. Oh yeah he's got the calculator out the bus guy 31 days.
Brad:Let's go in deep divided by 24 hours.
Dylan:Well, now you're just dividing forty seven hundred An hour, an hour for a month. Sir watching Masters of Air on Apple TV. That's the sub-banner brother. You know better brothers. Yeah, tom Hanks does Masters of the air, which is the. The bombers that Flew out of the UK over Europe did all the, and so the bombers had a very high death rate because they got. They got shot down. I mean the Luftwaffe, the Luftwaffe was pretty effective.
Brad:Well, my grandpa was shot down. Was he, did he survive? Yes, good for using to be 17.
Kermit:Yeah, where do you?
Brad:end. They got shot down over, that's that or mom's dad, my dad's dad.
Dylan:That's cool. I mean not not at the time I have to go back and look Specifically.
Brad:I don't know if they were into Was he part of the 100. Germany. Oh God, make me think of the number was he?
Dylan:what was he on the airplane on the B17?
Brad:Typically he was tailgunner. But he was tailgunner that that specific day he was on the waist, mmm. Oh, he was down in the in the. No, no, no, no, no. The waist gunner of the side, oh he was off one of the sides. Okay, but yeah, they got. They got hit by. It wasn't machine gun fire, but it was lack. No, it was. I have the bullet one that's like it. That came from the German planes and I Think a couple of them died in there. There was a fire from hydraulic fluid.
Kermit:Mm-hmm.
Brad:So the plane was basically on fire and a couple of them died. The rest of them jumped out your grandpa jumped out.
Dylan:Good for him. It's a wild show because but they were captured by Germans like oh, Basically after they landed so and then they were able to escape.
Brad:Good, oh yeah, stephen McQueen style. Yeah, basically they were captured and then they were kind of put into a holding facility which was a barn, yep, and then they're just kind of moseying on out. Yeah, then they were basically moving to another site and they started getting strafed by Allied planes because they saw a big convoy of Germans. Yeah, not knowing that there was also.
Dylan:Hey man, pmws in there. Hey man, I'm down here too.
Brad:And yeah. So chaos ensued and everybody Split. They just basically ran. Damn Into the woods, that's wild, and then they were several days just. I mean very much like saving Private Ryan, where they're just kind of wandering through the wilderness until they find their way back to they're in their towards France. So Damn.
Dylan:I bet that felt like an adventure A little bit, a little bit A little bit of Hobbit-esque Lord of the Rings.
Brad:I bet it was something later in his. He was always what is it I want to say he was 108th bomb group. I might be wrong I got Was he flying out of England? Yeah, that was their main airspace. I mean to that point the show, just yeah.
Dylan:It's interesting because one of the guys shows the first episode. One of the guys from this squadron, or whatever it is, shows up before the rest of them and he gets to go up on two missions beforehand. Okay, and it's. And you know, they're back in the States. They're all Jovial like, oh, save some of the Nazis. For me it's like all that tough guy Machismo.
Dylan:And then the guy gets on the ground after his first mission without the rest of his squadron and he's like, is it always like this? And they're like, that one was easy and it was just like straight chaos. You know, bull holes through the window, flak coming through the plane, and the captain of the airplane looks at the plane and he's like, oh, I'm going to get out of here. The captain of the airplane looks at him and he goes don't tell your guys. And he's like, what he goes, they'll figure it out, but don't tell your guys. And so then when he's and he's the executive commander, so he's the ground commander and he's a pilot, but he's in charge of the whole squadron, and when they come over, his best friend is a major, they're both majors, but his best friend's a major as well. And they go up and his best friend gets on the ground. He's like why did you fuck? It's helping. And he was like what were you going to do? And it was like now you know, so let's just move on. It was wild.
Brad:It's crazy to 487th, 487th.
Dylan:What was their?
Brad:bomb group.
Dylan:I think that's in the show and I had the 487th, I think. Like six of the eight went down in the original like in the first episode. Oh really, I mean they kept like refilling on.
Brad:Oh yeah, well, that was the. Did you ever see the movie the Memphis Bell? That was unrepeated in his house. Aggressive, he was into it for sure. But anyways, years later so it was kind of before like his health started declining, they would go to bomb group reunions every year. We got to go to. The last one was in San Diego, the way we went to Okay.
Brad:And it's one of those things it's you know, every year you go and every year there's less people that are alive to go, and the people would always send him articles or new research or things that come out about the war. That's what interests you think about World War II is just the amount of shit that happened and the stories that you still are coming out.
Dylan:Well, that's the um, the Ungeneral Warfare movie that Guy Ritchie is doing right now With Henry Cavill and, yeah, it's basically the first guerrilla warfare. I don't want to say the first guerrilla warfare, it's like the first what they I think the SAS came out of this team essentially.
Brad:Okay.
Dylan:It was a kind of a it's a true story A non-traditional story. It was a non-traditional soldier that had been in a lot of trouble beforehand. And the guy that brings them in is, like everyone thinks you're unsavory and that's why I think you're savory.
Dylan:Yeah, and it's like, oh, thank you, sir. And he's like, well, you're not going to like the guy that I want? Yeah, and then they go over behind enemy lines and they do. It's kind of like in Glorious Bastards. Right, it's non-tradi. You know, we have no choice. We, the Germans, aren't playing fair, so we're not going to play fair. Yeah, but of course, guy Ritchie's a fucking genius, but the Ministry of Ungenuinely Warfare.
Brad:Oh, okay, yeah, looks really good Check that out. But yeah, much, much later in life someone had sent him an article that came from that time period and the barn that they had been held in. So this was something that they obviously used. There was probably a transport type system and so that was a holding facility essentially that they would use on a regular basis. Like weeks or months later that barn was torched with people. Oh no, yeah, like what was that? Mel Gibson or the Patriot, whatever?
Dylan:Yeah, the church Like that style. It took his wife.
Brad:So that was a yeah, he had. He talked about that a lot. Well, that was a pretty big story. So right down to as he was parachuting, so like his parachutes open, he's floating and a German fighter is flying at him and he wrote in like one of his little memoirs he was like he could have shot me, like could have just shot me out of the air, not a problem. He's like didn't do it. So he's like I think that guy a lot, so most Germans wanted to kill, wanted to kill a lot of Germans, but also you don't get that cool badge on your airplane when you shoot down somebody in a parachute, though.
Brad:No, probably not. No, no, but also that's kind of your job.
Dylan:I don't think you're supposed to. I think the Geneva Convention kind of prohibits that.
Brad:Oh, do you think that they might have done some bad stuff? Yeah, maybe.
Dylan:Well, the Geneva Convention was after World War I or World War II, I don't know. Sounds boring. I like that we created a document on the rules of war. That's a little ironic to me, yeah.
Brad:I think we should get tea breaks at lunchtime, like the British used to do.
Dylan:What do you think is going to happen with Iran? I'm just kidding, we're not going into that. No, we're not. No, well, tea breaks cucumber sandwiches. Have you ever been high tea before? Yeah, I love it. It's a fucking fan. Anytime I go to London, what do I do? I book a very fancy tea.
Brad:I don't know what tea time is High tea? High tea Is that when you smoke.
Dylan:I don't think you can't smoke anymore.
Brad:Oh, so you get high and drink tea?
Dylan:No, you get drunk and drink tea. What? Yeah champagne is fantastic. What? As many sandwiches? As many crumpets? No, Let me tell you crumpets.
Brad:What's that? A crumpet.
Dylan:I couldn't tell you Cool, I think it's like shortbread sometimes.
Brad:Oh, like champagne.
Dylan:Why don't you like champagne?
Brad:I don't like tea and, on that note, probably don't like cucumber sandwiches.
Dylan:Brad is an axis.
Kermit:You're still here, it's over. Go home, go. That's what I miss.