Hot Takes - Morality, Monsters, and Musings with Martin

Ever wonder why Ben Affleck seemed so fired up on Real Time with Bill Maher? We've got the tea. Our latest journey through the realms of opinion and debate brings you a no-holds-barred analysis of Affleck's fiery exchange and a respectful nod to Sam Harris's cool composure. We also navigate the charged waters surrounding the perception of Christianity and take a cheeky detour into Jordan Peterson's world, all while sharing a few chuckles about the prospect of Shawshank-style prison escapes. 

Grasping the essence of moral strength, we introduce our guest, Martin, for a profound discussion on the nature of a 'monster'. We tackle the question of whether the capability for harm is a prerequisite for true goodness, and we dissect the hero archetype with Superman as our moral compass. Our exchange ranges from the moral instincts that surface in extreme situations to the burden of assessing one's own moral character. With Martin's insights, we've crafted a conversation that's as thought-provoking as it is engaging.

Strap in for a candid chat on personal accountability, sparked by the recent ripples in Jordan Peterson's universe. We explore the vital questions we must ask ourselves to navigate life's emotional mazes and our capacity—or lack thereof—to control others. Our show takes a whimsical turn as we muse over regional car preferences and reveal Peterson's own choice of wheels, before we tackle the delicate dance of individuality within group settings. Finally, we wrap up with reflections on the importance of a strong educational foundation and the joy of those 'aha' moments in learning. Tune in for an episode that promises to entertain and enlighten in equal measure.

Transcript

Brad Can't Intro

Brad 0:00

On a desolate, frozen tundra surrounded by mindless, brain numbing cold takes, two bros trek through the nothingness to bring hope to a new generation. You are about to experience brad and dylan's hot takes. Here we go again.

Martin 0:18

Again.

Jordan Peterson 0:19

That's where we're gonna start.

Dylan 0:21

Ben Affleck is, like all five ladies of the view combined.

Brad 0:24

Oh man uh, this is a. We were just looking at Martins on here. Hi Martin, oh, we're running Dude. That's why I hit the button.

Dylan 0:37

Yeah, that's what we do. There is no. There is no us.

Brad 0:40

There's only it. It says maybe from nine years ago. It's on real time with bill mar. It was still real time, right.

Kermit 0:46

Yeah.

Brad 0:47

Yeah and uh. Ben Affleck's on there, same Harris is on there. Martin was just asking about some, some contemporary, um Reasonable thinkers, so who?

Dylan 0:57

are the modern modern, reasonable thinkers.

Brad 1:02

You can agree or disagree with that right, I think, but I think same as one of them was like so we have this understanding that Uh like for, for example, people are starting to forget that.

Martin 1:13

Um, not Freud. What's his name Up in Heimer? Help me out here. John Jacob jingle heimer schmitt. No, mm-hmm, that was one of my personal favorites.

Kermit 1:23

Yeah.

Martin 1:24

Smart guy, look him up physicist.

Dylan 1:28

All right, but Einstein, no. Where are you going with?

Brad 1:30

this yeah, I'm gonna need more context.

Jordan Peterson 1:33

This is what happens.

Brad 1:35

I'm not. I'm not good at the name of uh of the game of naming Friedman. Robert Friedman, robert Friedman Okay, what about him? That's it. I just get a name.

Martin 1:47

No, I'm just saying logical reasoning, oh, okay.

Dylan 1:52

He owns Thomas Edison's piano. That's pretty cool.

Brad 1:55

Okay, not helpful.

Dylan 1:56

I'm just all right.

Brad 1:57

But if you want to look this up, it is uh, ben Affleck, probably drunk, maybe yeah, he's pretty red faced.

Martin 2:05

Yeah, he's red faced.

Brad 2:06

Yeah pretty red faced and it's uh.

Dylan 2:10

You guys are attacking a personal trait right now, that's one of those as we just talked about.

Brad 2:14

No, I was. No, I was describing.

Martin 2:17

Yes.

Brad 2:17

Why he may not be arguing so well.

Martin 2:19

So this is we don't have enough information, but what we see on the surface is that he could be under the influx is.

Brad 2:25

This is an interesting, so you've just desecrated the name of. Ben Affleck oh, we did it, we did it, you did you just okay. Uh, interesting, take on, not my bad man. How to and how not to argue? You possibly, yeah right, listen, and and sam is Maybe the best.

Jordan Peterson 2:48

Definitely one of top five. Doesn't get riled up.

Brad 2:50

He doesn't get riled up, he's constantly he he, he will stay on topic and if somebody comes at him he will break it down to the point. I mean, and that's that's why he's so good, because he, you know, ben, goes, what are you the professional? And and he's like I'm pretty well read on this actually, yes, I actually. Very good, it's a product seminar at the same time yeah so, uh, yeah, that's a, that's an interesting take on that. So.

Dylan 3:17

Also, this isn't a good hot takes intro. No, yeah, hot.

Brad 3:22

Well, I was getting to that, the part that Martin thinks Christianity is a scam. I didn't say that there's a dichotomy between the two, I can't say that because for it to be a hot take, you have to say a hot take.

Dylan 3:41

See he said. He said it without even a voice monitor later.

Brad 3:43

Yeah, that was good. I was like really deep robot. I have a robot we are and.

Kermit 3:48

I could say like I don't think it is probably really A scam and you know like damn you for even Trying to make it about that. I.

Martin 4:00

Jump in anytime.

Dylan 4:01

No, I'm gonna sit this one out like that. I don't have a bomb of any of this.

Brad 4:06

When I was texting him about, uh, jordan Peterson coming to Davenport which everybody should go see February 18th, february 18th at the discount code go to jordan dot com. Is that?

Kermit 4:17

the answer.

Dylan 4:18

Uh, yes, the oh, okay cap out of there capital.

Brad 4:21

Oh, you can't. You can't say discount code, why not? I don't know.

Dylan 4:26

Do what the fuck I want.

Brad 4:27

It's my podcast, go it won't go go to the discount line and put in kermit For 15 off. Is it an uppercase, k or lowercase?

Martin 4:37

k, that's backwards k.

Dylan 4:39

Actually by the time this by the time, figure it out. Actually, by the time this episode comes out, it'll have already happened.

Brad 4:44

Oh yeah, so you won't get the hot take.

Dylan 4:47

We're bad at marketing, it's true.

Brad 4:49

Um, dang it. I got thrown off on the discount code thing.

Dylan 4:56

Stripe payment do. What I miss is the uh 1 800 Call. Collect 1 800 ATT. It's free for me, free for me and cheat for you, wasn't that? Was that, uh caretop, that caretop that did that.

Brad 5:11

Don't remember that one 800?

Dylan 5:13

See, I don't remember is it, was it called ATT?

Martin 5:17

I remember I'm just thinking collect calls man 1, 800, 2, 300 empire.

Brad 5:24

Sorry, I haven't made a collect call since prison.

Martin 5:27

Yeah, because you were in prison for how many years? Hmm?

Dylan 5:29

Hmm, you actually. You've never been arrested, have you? No, that's awesome.

Brad 5:33

Come on, look at me. Yeah, they do.

Martin 5:36

I mean I'm looking at you right now, I mean it could be kind of fragile, borderline, impressive, no, oh, you would not make prison.

Brad 5:44

No, no, at all, or I would Right tattoo. I would tattoo a map all over myself X marks.

Dylan 5:56

Didn't you and shane and go into depth about that whole subplot?

Brad 5:59

No, I never really watched that show. Okay, uh, that's a lot of time.

Jordan Peterson 6:03

Let me get a lot.

Brad 6:04

He had a lot of time no, before he went to prison, to get all the tattoos Right. Oh, but he was planning it out beforehand, never mind. I'm stupid, stupid plot I'm.

Martin 6:17

Prison break. Oh, never watched it. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Brad 6:21

I got nothing. It's very hard, it's fair. Uh, hot take. Why are prime time shows so stupid? They're not good. They're not good. You know that one about the uh, what was it called? Castle. There's a bunch of these where they're like oh yeah, you're an author, just come on all of our ride-alongs and solve mysteries with us.

Martin 6:41

It's kind of like a spin-off of like mercero. That doesn't happen, is that where castle was?

Dylan 6:45

Yeah, he's an author. I didn't know that.

Martin 6:48

He thought it was a real cop. I know I didn't and I'm just. I didn't know, that he was a real dick in that too.

Brad 6:55

Speaking of real dicks, did you guys see the? Uh, was it? An Ohio swat team raided the wrong house, whoops.

Dylan 7:02

Somebody die.

Brad 7:04

No, there was a special needs baby in there. They got hit by a flashbang Not good yeah and they caught him on the ring doorbell after Coming back out and they're like yeah.

Dylan 7:15

It's wrong. I think there was also some. I think there was also some fuck ups before them, because the the owners had told them multiple times that that person didn't live there anymore, like they had multiple encounters for weeks leading up and it was just like they never verified they're the guy used to live at that house. I think of who they're going after and they also uh, hot take.

Brad 7:38

No knock warrants an entry's. Problematic Would agree, because if they would have just knocked on the door, that lady would have opened the door and then they could have Less intensely gone about their business. Instead they went it, knocked door down, flashbangs through the windows, you know.

Dylan 8:01

Yeah, can you not the sound? Can you not please do that shit, I'm dynamic.

Martin 8:07

You you don't have to button for that.

Brad 8:09

You know what you tell me to be close to the microphone. This is the thing is bread for the microphone. I don't know what you want.

Dylan 8:13

This is the story that brad tells everyone when he gets on the podcast. He's on the mic, he's like oh, dylan wanted to do this, dylan wanted to do that. Oh, it's all Dylan, this. And then you should see all of our text messages. Brad's like and I got this idea and we're gonna do this, and then we can do this and he gets all excited and then the moment he gets here he's negative, fucking Nancy, and then he does dumb shit like I think the mic and then I have to fucking edit it.

Brad 8:36

I'm literally only talking about the microphone right now, and you're throwing me under the bus for everything else in my life, yes, me and Shannon have built a.

Dylan 8:44

Just so we're clear yes, okay, we have Shannon and I, shannon and I have a coalition of the willing, and it is shit on Brad.

Brad 8:56

Wow, I can do it again.

Dylan 8:57

I don't have any coasters, so Maybe you would build some for the podcast out of wood, which is what the tables made out of.

Brad 9:04

Yeah, but then you could put.

Dylan 9:05

You could put a nice dampening on bottom of it.

Brad 9:08

I don't know okay, I'll do that for you. Thank you, I'll do it for you, thank you. What do you want to made out of?

Dylan 9:15

I want kind of rosewood Mmm. How about two by fours? Okay, okay good.

Brad 9:22

Good got it high class on rails. Yeah, martin, what do you hate?

Martin 9:28

I'm pretty mellow.

Kermit 9:31

No, he's crystal pal.

Martin 9:32

He hates fucking crystal palace no they're struggling club. They're fine, fuck crystal palace.

Dylan 9:36

It's the shitty part of London.

Brad 9:38

Wow, that's hot take. I think. I don't know.

Martin 9:44

Let's start digging. What do you think?

Brad 9:48

Children sports, people that oppress women.

Martin 9:53

Yeah, mmm, that's big one.

Brad 9:56

Top of that, yeah, yeah top five.

Dylan 9:58

Oh, Jordan Peterson, but they do some kind of like Rapunzel archetypal Story that he's repressed and needs to save people. I don't know. I just feel like that's something that we could jump to a conclusion about. I.

Brad 10:14

I can't, I don't know. Okay, I don't know, did he likes to go down the rabbit hole?

Dylan 10:19

Yeah, there's a story for everything.

Brad 10:21

It always goes back to some story, but it's only one story, so because it's this story, ergo everything has to be like this is your hot take, so where we going with this? It's, I mean we, we talk about nuances a lot on this, on the step into it. No, we don't need to dive into it because yeah. Peterson has an archetype for everything.

Martin 10:45

This is we're just too fucking hard Okay. Let's for every let's talk about the monster.

Dylan 10:50

Let's talk about the monster.

Martin 10:51

Oh.

Dylan 10:52

You'll talk about the monster. Okay, everyone has a monster in them.

Brad 10:57

Yes, but more specifically.

Dylan 10:59

All right, you cheer it up, brad, cheer it up, Yep.

Martin 11:02

Is this like a three-wood or driver?

Dylan 11:06

We'll pull, we'll pull up a little, we'll pull up a little clip.

Brad 11:10

No, we can't pull up a place. We can't. No, we can't. Well, I'm gonna, because I'm gonna read it because, you won't even know the difference. Okay.

Martin 11:19

Yeah.

Brad 11:19

All right, go for it Okay.

Jordan Peterson 11:24

To the two degree. That's unimaginable. So you can look and see all the interpretations and all the translations and get some sense of what the genuine, genuine meaning might be and the line the meek shall inherit the earth. Meek is not a good translation or the word has moved in the three hundred years or so, 300 years or so, since it was translated. What it means is this those who have swords and know how to use them but keep them sheathed will inherit the world and that's another thing.

Kermit 11:53

I've been telling you how, no kidding.

Jordan Peterson 11:56

That's a big difference. It's so great and so, like one of the, I'll tell young man.

Brad 12:02

Can we?

Jordan Peterson 12:02

can we just believe him, and that is word for that.

Dylan 12:04

What do you say?

Brad 12:05

Can we just believe him at his word for that?

Dylan 12:08

Okay.

The Concept of Being a Monster

Martin 12:10

Yes, no, no, no, oh no. We don't. We were going back to our conversation about reasoning like it could be true.

Dylan 12:19

Based on inputs and outputs. Guys table.

Brad 12:26

They've been the table. I know shit, yeah, basically I mean. So essentially what he gets at is you need to be a monster and so, through this, the meek shall inherit the earth. In his translation of this, which is probably somebody else's translation of it, which I guarantee there's somebody else that says, no, that's not the translation, because that's how translating 2000 year old languages work, is it? If you Don't harm someone, that doesn't automatically make you a good person, right? So if you are meek or if you're a weak person and you don't harm anyone, that doesn't make you a good person. Let's leave out all the nuances of that, such as like are we talking physically or we talking mentally? Are we talking psychologically? Do you know how little pressure it takes to pull a trigger, etc. Right, like hey, you don't have to be like a fucking MMA fighter archetype To cause a lot of harm to somebody. Can?

Dylan 13:26

we archetype, the archetype, yeah, yeah, okay, looks like that.

Brad 13:29

Mm-hmm. Yeah, good call Wow.

Dylan 13:31

Wow.

Brad 13:34

I don't know what that was, but you have to be. You have to be this monster. So if you are a monster capable of these horrendous things and then you choose not to do them, that's what makes you a truly good person.

Martin 13:52

My only argument is like why? Why do you have to be the monster? Do you have to be the monster in the moment? Do you have to be the monster every day?

Brad 13:59

because you May find yourself in a situation that may require you to be a Monster that may work out in your favor.

Martin 14:10

Is it to just work out in your favor period, so you get what you need, all your maslos.

Dylan 14:17

No, it could be a foundation for a lot of stuff. Is that the world's inherently evil, and so you're, by the world being inherently evil, you by proxy or evil, and so you have to learn to control that evil but that's what makes you a good person.

Martin 14:30

He doesn't really say that it's it's. He gets your pointer.

Brad 14:33

Okay, but but his point is like you need to like become this monster first and then means you need to put a competent and then put a leash on it, but I think the term monsters bad.

Martin 14:44

Yeah, I.

Kermit 14:47

Just.

Dylan 14:49

But it's, it's the hero versus the monster and it's like well, it's, you just need to be capable is what he's saying.

Martin 14:56

I think it's an ego thing. What do you think?

Brad 14:58

No, he's Because he's looking at it like medieval nights, or Are we gonna go have dinner at medieval times?

Dylan 15:09

No, that's a, that's a drive away, it's good Welcome to medieval times, that's I've never actually been to one. That's not it. No, it's awesome. That's good Mm-hmm.

Brad 15:19

I went after surgery and I could actually eat everything. Good for you. Yeah, it was fun. Okay, I was like corn on the cob, nailed it. Yeah okay, but his hello, the archetype of the hero, where that's a different one.

Dylan 15:33

So I'm just lambs, come on.

Brad 15:34

It's a different type. Move on the hero, the hero archetype, that is Hmm, cool, I don't know. Pick out like some typical superhero movie type. Okay.

Dylan 15:50

He talks about Superman. It's like Superman has the capabilities destroy this entire planet and take it over for his own because he just he knows could stop him but he chooses to save mankind instead, for whatever reason, even though they're not one of him. Hmm, but, but we have kryptonite.

Brad 16:09

But he's also saying that there's apparently people that don't have the capacity to do evil and so therefore they're not good. But like that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I see what.

Martin 16:22

I'm saying but isn't that just having morals Like deep embedded, Synapse, connected morals of like I can't, I can't do that?

Brad 16:35

I feel like there's a lot. I feel like there's a lot of the what would you do in this situation when, until you're put in that extreme situation, you don't know exactly how you would react? You know?

Martin 16:46

Well, I mean what boils down to, for that is like I mean so like I have that exercise to. So if I were to ask you what, not to do.

Brad 16:54

If I were to ask you like Martin, do you think that you could kill someone? I would say it depends Okay. And if I ask Dylan, he would say a hundred percent. Yes, love to do it.

Martin 17:02

Yes, yeah, see oh, so it's a good conversation then.

Brad 17:05

So I Believe him, you don't believe me. Yeah, I mean, I think there's people that are like I don't think I could do that, but it depends, because I need to know the more information. I understand that. So His argument seems to be.

Jordan Peterson 17:21

Do you need the information?

Brad 17:28

Easy with the cops there. His and his argument is Everyone needs to be Dylan first and then figure out, maybe, how to be Martin, where you know.

Martin 17:41

I'm still on the depends. He's not the diapers, but that's.

Brad 17:47

That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's problematic for me.

Jordan Peterson 17:51

Yeah.

Brad 17:52

Also like how do you define? Yeah, there's just too many things to it. I don't like any of it. The monster part? Yeah, the meek part, like who decides?

Dylan 18:03

Competence, I mean you're on your own.

Martin 18:05

You supposed to decide though.

Dylan 18:07

Yeah but.

Martin 18:08

But it's also like you have the keys to the castle.

Kermit 18:12

Okay, you know the castle you know the castle. Yeah, yeah.

Dylan 18:21

It's a Get, so it he over generalizes. I think he talks about it at times. I'm not defending him here, but he talks about he over generalizes to try to get a message out. But I think you're supposed to, you're supposed to keep striving for more potential.

Martin 18:37

I understand that, but it's interesting that in some of the clips does he dive deeper into what that actually looks like for him?

Brad 18:45

No, this is what he's really good at.

Martin 18:48

Oh he, he's a.

Dylan 18:50

Diverge.

Jordan Peterson 18:51

He.

Brad 18:51

I mean he does, he does explain some when him when him Dawkins and Harris were together.

Dylan 18:57

He kind of he went a little deeper than I've seen him go before on a couple different topics.

Brad 19:01

That was a while ago. It was a while ago.

Martin 19:03

He doesn't really go like that I mean, like I said, he's a different person now.

Dylan 19:07

Well. His he does dangerous by discipline with Jaco, that one's a little bit better his demographic is Young males. That feel lost, under appreciated. There's that so. So it's easy, you know it's not the tent you know, wasted, potential wasted. Yeah, you know, people have lost, but there's also I.

Brad 19:29

Feel like without a deep explanation Explanation of I yeah, I'm things where kids, kids or young adults could hear those kind of things and be like he has a strong call to action, which is you know you have the power within yourself to it's basically you need it.

Kermit 19:46

Damn it. You got to wake up and you can't change the world if you don't change your she. I think it.

Dylan 19:52

I think it definitely helps flip in there to, though I think he's probably very it's probably very appealing to people that have had victim mentalities, sure, and then, yeah, I and I do see positive positivity in that where it's more of a called action of it can always be worse, because that's always one of his things, right always be worse and you have the power to change it. Now I'm not saying he's not saying you're gonna have the power to become the best. You know your favorite scenario, but you can make it better. You know You're better. Might not be the millions of dollars and the fun cars and all that shit, but you're better, can look better than what you're doing right now. So it's on you to make your life better, nobody else's, and you don't get to blame anyone else but yourself. Really, I don't know ever.

Martin 20:42

My mom used to be well, I don't seem to have her there. I mean just can't be told there. There's some Understanding around that like you should be able to take ownership. I think that's a large part of the American population that they're like Was it my fault? It's like wait a second. Did you reflect and like, take a little bit of ownership of like what happened? You know I?

Dylan 21:03

mean, I think that's something that I've tried to instill More recently in my life is when I We've talked about this in the last episode we recorded, which will be completely out of context for any of our listeners, which we're really good at doing, um, so thanks for sticking with us. Guys and gals and All the non-binary's oh god, lost my train of thought. That's ADHD. Real it in choo choo, go catch that train. I can't, it's gone. That's living with ADHD. Oh, it's asking yourself the question.

Discussing Jordan Peterson and Ownership

Dylan 21:39

Thank you. If you get that, if you get an emotional response, if you start to feel yourself feeling some negative emotions because of something else, it's always what could I have done better or what could, what could I have done to prevent it. And it's it's not taking all of it and and saying it's all my fault, but it's asking yourself some real questions which are how could we have prevented this together and taking more joint ownership with the people around you? And then there are some people that you're just not. There's not a lot you can do to control those actions, but also you cannot put yourself in those situations with those individuals. Then and understand that I will allow myself to be in this situation with that person, which, and again, is my responsibility to take ownership of. So I think those are really kind of easy things for people to do. Is your natural reaction is going to be like this person did this to me. It's like okay, so what did we do to get here? Why did I allow myself here?

Martin 22:30

And it's not again taking the blame on, it's just understanding.

Dylan 22:31

It helps you understand the process in the moment so that you don't repeat those steps again.

Brad 22:36

100% you can really repeat the steps if the steps are already gonna happen anyways, it's just looking back at it. No, we're going into predetermination now, jesus.

Dylan 22:47

Not really. Oh, it's just a yeah lack of free will Sing.

Brad 22:51

Wow, that's all.

Dylan 22:54

But then Brad Todd take would be I don't know, but then Brad Todd take would be take ownership. God didn't do it for you. Oh, we did that one last time, though, Well, stop doing it again.

Brad 23:08

Had what's?

Dylan 23:10

oh, I had one from last time. No, you got to keep on this one. This is mine right now. What's yours? I don't know. We're talking about Jordan Peterson being the monster and taking ownership. He's not a monster, okay.

Brad 23:20

He's Kermit. He's Got to go back to school.

Dylan 23:23

He lost his loss. Oh, he did, he do, he lost his license, oh he did they pulled it oh. I wouldn't know. So he has his pack practitioners license in Canada. Can he get one in the US, or I don't think he has one probably different.

Brad 23:36

Yeah, I don't know how that works.

Dylan 23:40

It is kind of crazy, though, like them pulling his license.

Martin 23:44

I would say it's. It's different, just like when you practice law. You can't practice law in every state, right? So, like being able to practice.

Dylan 23:51

Yeah, I mean what I just didn't know if you had a Lincoln. I just didn't know if you'd ever try to be licensed in the US, but this is neither here nor there. Lincoln lawyer.

Brad 23:59

Yeah, it could be the Lincoln psychiatrist. I.

Dylan 24:03

What's what's a good.

Brad 24:03

Canadian car car none exist.

Dylan 24:06

No, but they'd be like big, like lifted Dodge Ram now Canada. They like their Dodge Rams in Canada.

Brad 24:13

Do they that's not there about, like public transit stuff? I?

Dylan 24:17

Depends on what part of Canada.

Brad 24:18

You're in man.

Dylan 24:19

They're there it is wildly different, depending on.

Martin 24:22

Canada that East Coast is different those. Yeah, what do French people drive like baguettes, reynolds, reynolds, citrone, I don't know, I don't, do they have to turn in Canada.

Dylan 24:34

Hmm, you could. Maybe you know what's funny is going to different countries and seeing car brands you've never seen before. Mm-hmm, that's one of my favorites, you're like oh, I've never seen that brand before About some really cool brands. When we were down in Mexico City I was like these cars are really nice. She don't remember what they're called, but they're cool.

Brad 24:49

She knows driving on 53rd the other day and she was oh, that's really nice car. She's like I think that's right. Is that a Ferrari? I'm like I don't know. This isn't a video call. I can't see what she's like. My sons would be so disappointed in me right now. She's like it's pretty.

Dylan 25:08

The big cart, big, big car nerds.

Brad 25:11

No, but they. They watch enough videos and everything that you should bring them down sometime. They know a little bit. I'm sure the office they know, maybe more than she does like in terms of.

Martin 25:22

Okay, just being nice cars, don't?

Dylan 25:25

I'm only no, not my no, not that office, different office. But we're not gonna do that on there because we don't need everyone knowing what you can't text while we're podcasting.

Brad 25:36

I'm not texting.

Dylan 25:37

What are you doing? You're looking up your hot take. No, what do you?

Brad 25:40

I am, I'm googling.

Dylan 25:42

What are you googling? You have a laptop in front of you and you're using your phone.

Brad 25:46

I forgot, even shittier. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Wow, wow, wow. I was looking up what Jordan Peterson drives.

Dylan 25:56

Oh my god, that's awesome.

Brad 25:58

That's a good you want to do. You want to guess?

Dylan 26:00

I don't know Like a 70 78 Rolls Royce Phantom, white, toyota Corolla. He seems like the guy that would love, like an old Rolls Royce.

Martin 26:10

Honda correct.

Brad 26:14

Ferrari 360 Modena.

Dylan 26:17

Modena dude.

Brad 26:18

Mercedes G63 AMG.

Dylan 26:20

Hmm, I Used to drive a 63 AMG. It's a really nice car, is that it? This is worth a bi-turbo? Do you know what a bi-turbo is, brad? It's different.

Brad 26:29

It's a turbo that goes both in and out. No oh.

Kermit 26:33

No, you don't like and take an exhaust Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Dylan 26:36

So twin turbo I was gonna go with like it's like both ways, but they're tuned to be at different, different parts of the ramp, of the ramp up of the engine, so they don't, they don't work in conjunction with each other.

Brad 26:47

You get a low end at a high end, kind of yeah interesting. But how's that work? What do you mean?

Dylan 26:53

Well, turbos work on Exhaust mm-hmm, so you still can have a computer programming and control something.

Brad 26:59

I Didn't say, you couldn't do that.

Dylan 27:02

Okay, so how's that work then?

Brad 27:03

I don't know how it works. You tell me you're the one that brought up by turbos. Okay, I'm just saying, at low RPM you don't have a lot of exhaust pressure To spin a turbo.

Dylan 27:13

Yeah, but you're assuming that has to be like low M is subjective. What what it like low end of when it starts can? Be anywhere on that band, that's fine.

Martin 27:22

I'm not, I don't know, I'm you know what.

Individuality and Acceptance in Group Setting

Brad 27:26

God, hate you. Good, hot, take hate you. Hate you, yeah, wait, you don't ever. You don't ever have one of these.

Dylan 27:36

I'm a very cool, calm and collected individual. I don't know if you know this, oh so one was I.

Brad 27:43

You need to learn to embrace your individuality in a group setting. Who me?

Dylan 27:47

Yeah, you, mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm kind of definitely, I'm definitely not my own person ever.

Brad 27:51

Yeah, you're not. I'm trying like really tired of you staying out like a black valley and a sea of white roses. I I Think this is the most like look at me, I'm a black guy. I was dissected at the way. I think this is the most.

Dylan 28:04

This is the most telling. One of the most telling stories about me is I was on my way to meet an ex-girlfriend's friends in a different state and as we were driving, she just looked at me and she goes can you just Not be so, dylan, this weekend when you meet my friends? And I said, oh, that one actually really hurt.

Brad 28:26

Like I kind of sounds like a really good like blink 180 to song Mmm Don't be Dylan.

Martin 28:30

Yeah, but uh, bless Dylan.

Dylan 28:34

I.

Brad 28:35

Maybe that's what we'll call Friday's less Dylan so I've heard some stories and From a school setting about me no not yet. And it's you. You have these family units that are Peculiar by regular standards and that can be any number of things. They're just you know. Are we talking about the, the?

Dylan 29:01

Envijit the evangelists.

Brad 29:04

No okay, no, we're just like you have everybody that's kind of on that, on the average Line, right here, right like most of humanity, like a big chunk Okay, and then, and then you have the outliers the people in the spectrum, like us. Well, what sure? Okay, that's that spectrum could be whatever you want. Yeah, gender related, sex related, art related. Okay dress related or lack of or lack of your case related.

Dylan 29:33

Fucking hobo sorry, whatever it's like slate 800, maybe 600, he doesn't know. Tailwind, so it has be begy Yep Background keep going.

Brad 29:48

I've lost all interest in this pocket. Come on, keep going. So it is okay for you to obviously have individual you know likes and Preferences and Whatever, but you're in a whole other group of people that also have their own likes and tastes and standards.

Dylan 30:17

I know you're going with this. Okay, so you have your individualism is great, but don't stomp on everyone else's individualism by making you to buy their individualism. Yeah, there's still over a hundred other individuals here.

Brad 30:28

Hmm, tea party. So like, that's cool, you can. You can have your pink hair, or you can have your tattoos, or you can have your it's kind of like secondhand smoke, super religious.

Dylan 30:38

You can smoke, but just don't do it in the same room as me. So I just have to huff at the entire time.

Martin 30:42

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Brad 30:44

You could look at it in terms of uh, this is not a good individualism. But in a lot of public schools you're having kids that just are not just throwing tantrums about like destroying school, you know school properties. And in a lot of states you just kind of like oh, here you go, go in this room, destroy this room, like that's our, that's our policy now.

Jordan Peterson 31:05

Hmm.

Brad 31:06

And it's like mm-hmm, Like, what, how? How do you get to do that, Like? Because, because your feelings are are not being validated the way that you want them to be, you get to ruin a whole bunch of other individuals and what does he get to do?

Martin 31:20

He or she gets to do it. What can I do it? Just for funsies, you might be able to do it for funsies.

Brad 31:25

Hmm, yeah, is that what you want to do? Maybe? Yeah, you gotta go to town. Mm-hmm, yeah, you got to go, like I like go all out.

Martin 31:32

Mm-hmm.

Brad 31:32

Yeah.

Martin 31:33

Go back to go home, right.

Brad 31:35

Yeah, but even in a not so extreme case, it's. You have examples of parents just like not taking any ownership over the fact that like their kid is is one part of many an entire system that is trying to function.

Martin 31:52

I mean we used to let the peanut allergy kids die many to many.

Brad 31:56

I don't think, I don't think that's a problem and you're going to really trigger Shannon with that. She's going to come at you hard.

Dylan 32:02

Is she? I can't wait, shannon, hmm.

Brad 32:04

Text me. Yeah.

Martin 32:07

Just not going to mess around. I do think that that the allergy issue is because the exposure is not early enough.

Jordan Peterson 32:15

Hmm.

Dylan 32:16

That's just my theory. Oh, we're going to really isolate some people on this one. This is theory.

Brad 32:23

So like what's not early enough, like does the womb count? Theoretically maybe I'm just saying Shannon ate eggs All the time, every single day of her pregnancy. Yeah, but there.

Martin 32:38

No, no, no, I completely understand that that's right.

Dylan 32:40

There could be something else. That's just too Overwhelmed him. That's why now I do think now she's really going to eat you.

Martin 32:46

Okay, it's your fault. The egg, the egg one, egg allergy is an interesting one because I'm sure, like the issue, there is something more nuanced. But the peanut one, like I had this theory a long time ago. Or like the dark, like oh, don't introduce peanut butter to your infant at X month.

Brad 33:06

Well, it's not. It's not really a theory, it's. There is some scientific data to say that if you, if you do introduce in really small doses at a young age, that I think there is a less yeah, yeah, yeah. That they will develop an allergy. Hmm, I don't know if they know why Exactly, but at the same time, like I, grew up in Asia.

Dylan 33:28

I mean everything has peanut in it.

Martin 33:30

Mm, hmm, yeah.

Brad 33:32

But, don't take away my pad. But flip side they're killing babies like no tomorrow, because everything has peanut in it.

Martin 33:38

No, I was even with that. Okay, I was even more like the lactose route.

Brad 33:42

Oh, a lot of lactose and topics yeah, yeah.

Martin 33:45

Um is there a big milk culture in Asia though. No, there is, but there wasn't. There wasn't an animal, yeah. Who started that. Who brought the milk culture to Asia? The Americana, oh, did it. How do they the?

Dylan 34:00

lactose what was that?

Brad 34:01

What was?

Dylan 34:01

that advertising campaign like I want to know, like what's true, like someone in the United States is like we can sell dairy. Yeah, it was the, it was the Got Milk, it was the, it was that was. That was different, though.

Brad 34:11

No, no, no, it was the hot girl with, like the milk, oh Jesus.

Martin 34:14

They're so white, do you?

Dylan 34:15

know that that's how Michael Bay got to start. Like the big director. Michael Bay got his start doing the Got Milk stuff, Like that's like what he started doing.

Brad 34:24

No, I didn't know that. That's it. That was his start in the Hollywood. Also, the lactose thing actually makes sense, because we shouldn't be drinking cow's milk.

Martin 34:31

Oh, we know that.

Brad 34:31

Yeah, I mean, I think we know that I right yeah, Like we ate peanuts before we drank cow's milk.

Martin 34:38

Right Right so we're drinking at different animals milk, but yeah, beside their own. Yeah, it's true, yeah.

Dylan 34:51

That's it. No, we were just saying we kind of skipped over the individuality.

Brad 34:56

Oh yeah, Because you guys hate people with allergies. No, that's right, I forgot we were right there.

Dylan 35:03

I have a buddy that went on her first date Now his wife but she told him they're going on her first date. She goes I have a massive nut allergy and I'm just letting you know there's an epi pen in my purse just in case I have something happen. And big man on campus was like I can't wait to stab you. This is going to be great, like three dates in. She's there with friends and he froze up. She got, she had a reaction, he froze up, he couldn't do it. So I wonder if her friends or she ended up doing it herself and like just jabbed it.

Brad 35:34

But it was funny because I was waiting for the punchline. You know who it was. What about do you know who was D's?

Dylan 35:39

nuts.

Brad 35:40

Do you know who it was? I would have been classic it was.

Dylan 35:43

you can't say it. I can't say it. You're right. I can't call people out.

Martin 35:46

Yeah, I'll tell you offline it's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair.

Brad 35:52

It's not fair. It's not fair. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. That would have been a good tagline, though, but there is this.

Dylan 35:56

What about D's? Where does it stop? Where my individualism is so much more important than your individualism? Like that's the. There's a little bit of this. I'm more important than you and my feelings.

Brad 36:08

Where does it stop?

Martin 36:09

Yeah, I think when there's no overarching understanding of what community is supposed to really mean, that's it.

Brad 36:16

It's an ominous thing, An easy and not at all likable solution. That would be like if you're so individual, then you don't get to take part in these group happenings, ie Anything Basically, I'm sorry, do you need other people in your life? Is that a thing? Solitary confinement?

Martin 36:36

Are we not supposed to be social beings? If you're not Okay, fair enough. See you later.

Brad 36:41

And so just be your individual self in a social environment. Yeah, what if they can't do that? What if they can't do?

Dylan 36:49

that. How does it get triggered? But by what? I have no idea.

Brad 36:52

You can't just say words.

Dylan 36:54

Why not? Yeah, we do it all the time.

Brad 36:56

No, I don't Okay. What happens if they get triggered?

Dylan 37:06

Yeah, parents call and then the teachers get pissed off and they just give up because it's too hard to deal with it all the time. I mean, look at Martin, former teacher.

Kermit 37:19

Here I am.

Martin 37:21

Hi guys.

Kermit 37:22

I just can't believe they let these kids just go into classrooms and you know what they are. They're monsters.

Dylan 37:31

Okay, my hot take I get really upset when we reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominator and we don't try to teach, educate, to the highest common.

Brad 37:46

I have thought about this a little bit Um in terms, of this goes from all aspects.

Dylan 37:52

It's not just education. Yeah, and there's in the workforce too. It's like, well, such and such isn't going to be able to handle it. And you're like, well, how are we going to grow then? Right, we can't. We can't keep our standards down because of certain subset. We and it's not saying that you don't want to bring them along with them or give them the extra need and attention they need, but that's on them to get the extra work.

Kermit 38:13

Right.

Dylan 38:14

It's not for you to slow the pace down, so you're still meeting them, but they, if they want to be there, they need to be right.

Brad 38:21

They need to get the extra work. Exactly, I think there's a in terms of educating, or like younger kids, and I've thought about. I've thought about this in a couple of ways. Like first grade always teaches the same thing every single year. That's like you just overgeneralize some first grade teachers. Wow, I did.

Dylan 38:41

I mean, you mean, they're fun, it's fundamentals, it's it's noted.

Brad 38:45

And until I think we we went through range. I had a thought that was like why can't we? We're not getting smarter, like we're not getting smarter at all. We can't challenge, we got to do the same thing all the time.

Brad 39:01

And now I think I'm more of the belief that challenge is maybe some of the part that's missing. So just the general concept, the general concept of like challenging them, working through something that's hard, that they don't get right away, because I think that leads to more success in things like you're talking about, where someone is challenged by something and they know how to react to it, instead of just being like well, this doesn't come easy, I don't know, how to do this.

Martin 39:32

Somebody else should do this. Yeah, I mean, when you talk about education, it's just it's. It's tough because each individual child is the ultimate variable, and you're probably going to hear that for me quite often is that the ultimate variable carries so many different things as they walk into that classroom.

Martin 39:54

Yeah, and past experiences circumstances social economic breakfast, home, life, all the rest of it. And you have a child that is very intellectual, understands, but the easy thing for the educators to put them down that same path as everyone else. And so what that boils down to is then how do you provide resources for that child to challenge them? And we don't have enough of those resources because just the way the system is currently built in terms in terms of the public system, now, if you want to pay for it, that's a different story. It is a different story, yeah, yeah, but there are ways to do it. But Money there's been some economics around that, like they've done some economics around injecting loads of cash into a situation of education. Where will this have massive repercussions on a positive side? Yeah, it's based around the system.

Brad 41:01

Like you can't just pump money into a bad system and expect good outcomes. Right and that's right.

Martin 41:06

And that is, you can't just say you know you're not going to be able to do that. You just throw money.

Jordan Peterson 41:10

Yeah, you can't do money.

Brad 41:11

Money doesn't solve anything Money solves something with a correct plan, right, yeah, but to implement some good systems, you will also need more money.

Battling With Learning and Fairness

Dylan 41:18

Yeah so 100%, but doesn't that Elon make it happen? It's kind of interesting, though, because we battle. Quick going out of space we kind of we battle with well, and kind of going back to the individualism or going back to the not fair Right. Well, why did those five kids get to go to that? Go learn about that. And my kid doesn't.

Kermit 41:42

So the life's not fair, damn it.

Dylan 41:44

Your kid doesn't even understand the first two concepts. To even get to that point?

Kermit 41:47

So, but you're going to, you're going to have that.

Dylan 41:50

You're going to have to fight that, or it's like well, no, they need to be up there to learn. You're like they are learning, but they're learning the core to make them competent at this level right now, so that they can get to the next level, Because if you skip the fundamentals it's baseless knowledge. They can probably repeat a pattern without they understanding and we always go back to what is the why?

Martin 42:08

We can't understand the why it's a it's a it's a loss cause. Well, it's the same thing in athletics is, too. It's like well, what is that? Well, you know, why does Jimmy get to be bumped up and playing with the older kids? Like because Jimmy knows the basics and he can actually execute the basics at a fast level, whereas Timmy, he still needs to do the basics.

Dylan 42:27

Stress and circulation. Yeah, you can't, just you can't throw him in a wildfire and you've got to build up to it, yeah, and everybody grows and learns, at different levels too.

Brad 42:39

So, yeah, all these kids are eight and half of them can do this you know, repeatedly and efficiently, and the other half can't. Does that mean that the the half that can't are never going to be able to? No, it just means that maybe it's two months, maybe, and you've seen it click with kids, or it's just like uh, uh, like on on a soccer team, like hey, um, I know I haven't seen you for like five whole days, but when the fuck did you learn how to kick like that? You're like oh, I just I just learned yesterday. Oh, okay, cool, yeah, Cool.

Dylan 43:16

It just. You know the feeling now. You know it just.

Jordan Peterson 43:18

They're like oh this is this is how I do it. And then it deluxe, and then practice. Good, now you're all around to the next thing.

Brad 43:25

It's not like it's not going to happen, it just takes a while. Yeah so yeah, that's true. All right, well, I don't have any more things to hate, I'll tell you guys.

Dylan 43:33

Okay, I love you too. I love you too, thanks.

Kermit 43:38

You're still here. It's over.

Martin 43:44

Go home.

Brad 43:50

Go.