Boeing Whistleblower Deaths w/ Audio Fix

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Since 1916, Boeing has been synonymous with safety and reliability.  The company was responsible for the production of 100,000 airplanes for allied forces in WW2, the production of Air Force One, and revolutionizing air travel.  The slogan was, “If it’s not Boeing, I’m not going”.  Following a merger with McDonnell Douglas, experts agree that the company had a culture shift, in which perhaps finances were prioritized over safety.  This all came to a head when Boeing did a rapid roll out of the 737 Max, in an attempt to keep up with their only competition, Airbus.  Following a slew of poor decisions, there were two plane crashes, with 346 deaths.  Since that time, a number of employees have come forward to report safety issues with Boeing and its contractor, Spirit Aerosystems.  Things had been relatively quiet for Boeing, until this year when there have been a number of safety issues that have brought them back into the news.  Following a 2.5 billion dollar loss, 50,000 lay offs, and a drop in stocks by 26% in the first quarter, two of the Boeing whistleblowers died under mysterious circumstances within 2 months of each other.  Were these just unfortunate tragedies?  Or was Boeing behind the mysterious deaths?

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Okay, well, today we have a listener request, okay?

So, we got multiple people.

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So, we're doing this today, guys.

We are calling the Boeing Whistleblowers, Dap Dap.

All right, yeah, this is kind of like hot off the presses, you know?

Since 1916, Boeing has been synonymous with safety and reliability.

The company was responsible for production of 100,000 airplanes for the Allied forces in World War II, the production of the Air Force One, and Ravlich-Nightingale.

Their slogan was, If it is not Boeing, I'm not going.

Following a merger with McDonnell Douglas, experts agree the company had a full culture shift, which perhaps by and large prioritized over safety.

This all we knew even at when Boeing could arrive at the role of the 737 Max, in an attempt to keep up with their only competition, Airbus.

Oh.

Following similar court decisions, there were two plane crashes, with 346 deaths.

Since that time, a number of employees have come forward to report safety issues, with Boeing and its contractor, Spirit Aerosystems.

Things have been relatively quiet for Boeing until this year, when another media user that they brought back into the news.

Following a $2.5 billion loss, $50,000 layoffs, and a drop in stocks by 26% in the first order, two employees of the lower died, under mysterious circumstances, within two months of each other.

Were they just out on work in the cabbies, or was there something behind the mysterious deaths?

Let's talk about it.

Oh my gosh.

This is immediately like those two men, or those two whistleblowers, they were off.

Yeah, so you believe right now?

Yeah, immediately they were off.

Yeah, I kind of have mixed opinions, as always, but I'm sure that you'll probably talk to me around by the time I get through the information here.

I just want to point out that this is like big fear.

Big fear, we talked about this with MH370, about my fear of airplanes and flying.

Not so much that I won't fly, because that's just silly.

I have to live my life, right?

But like the idea that I'm just in this tunnel of metal in the sky, it's terrifying.

And like way up high.

Yeah, you know, all the time I was researching this, I actually did like the G of it, but then I was just like, hey, this is going to have you spinning.

So as I mentioned, Boeing has been around for over 100 years.

That's wild.

Yeah.

And at that time, it has kind of developed this reputation for safety and reliability.

It's the fourth largest defense contractor, having recorded $62.3 billion in sales in 2021 and writing 54th on the Fortune 500 list.

It was founded in 1916 in Seattle, Washington.

Shout out to McDonnell's.

Shout out to McDonnell's.

The McDonnell family.

So I think it was founded by this lover and industrialist, William Boeing.

Fun fact.

Boeing created United Airlines, but in 1934, the law required aircraft manufacturing and air transportation to be separate.

So United Airlines branched off.

But yeah, United Airlines was really originally part of Boeing.

Oh, that's interesting.

So, Boeing, as I mentioned, was responsible for building and producing about 100,000 planes for the Allied forces.

I told you that they built Air Force One, although part of the NAVA for safety travel, and developed commercial satellite launching services, and then they just revolutionized aviation.

So in the 21st century, McDonnell Douglas and the Boeing emerged.

And like I had to hint at, McDonnell Douglas was not really known for safety.

There's a couple of documentaries that I wanted to describe, Clash Lab or Pearl Berkshire, where Boeing's engineers and McDonnell Douglas' encounters went head to head.

And everyone was set up and it was like the latter one.

And that's when the legislature just seemed to have started.

They knew their headwaters from Seattle, Chicago, which I don't want to push back because they were like the money makers should be with the engineers, right?

That they can all talk.

But by tapering, they were kind of like, we don't want to hear from the engineers.

We just want to like make the money.

Do the business.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's why I kind of contributed down the hall.

Actually now they have relocated to Virginia.

And again, people are like, maybe you want to go back to Seattle.

And they're like, no, we're good.

Yeah.

So again, I said that it really only reduces the air airirons.

There's Boeing and Airbus, which also scary.

It's like practically a monopoly.

So what we released in December 37, or sorry, that Airbus comes out with the A320.

And that there's like a more cutting edge fuel-enriched plane.

And so I was like, man, I've got that compete.

We just love this plane though.

Let's create 737 Max, which is going to again, be like more low-emission and cutting edge.

But they want to get us about that big release of repeat.

So they had us short the design days and they were like, let us just see if we could kind of re-pervise our 737s and make them into the 737 Max.

Yeah, did not go well.

No.

So kind of the big idea to do was that the engine of the 737 Max was too heavy for the 737 that they had.

And it's not going to be that when you're playing, you just kind of go ass down, right?

Like, be too heavy.

Well, so they installed the Edcath, which is like a sensor that's on the exterior of the plane.

It's literally just like a little prong that sticks out of the plane.

It's supposed to kind of detect if the plane tips, but if they want to explain how to sell it, they didn't want the pilots to all have to undergo new training.

So they got to have a basis, like a real selling point for these airliner pilots.

So like if you guys buy 737 Max and your pilots are already selling out the 737, you're good.

So they need to tell the pilots about the Edcath system.

You can't see me, but I'm just sitting here like shaking my head like, this is all giving me warm fuzzies now.

And, actually, like all of my family members are like, they watched a video on an iPad and were told like, okay, you're good to go, go fly this plane now.

No.

Um, so October 2018, Lion Air Flight 610 crashed into the Java Sea.

I don't want to sound like I'm embarrassed, like I'm embarrassed myself and my geography, but I didn't know there was a Java Sea down the lower air.

And isn't that a fun name?

Java Sea.

So, October 2019, this light light saw off, and it crashed into the sea 30 minutes after takeoff.

400 inches on board.

No.

So everyone's like, like, how did this, this rain rain rain rain crash right after takeoff?

So they realized that a, that a loon loon, um, had hit the MCAS Saturday, that's just like a little bit wrong, and so that what that where will I, the MVS has done them.

And pilots didn't even know what the MVS system was, so they didn't know how to like turn off.

So the Allied pilots association, he meets with Boeing, and Boeing was like, yeah, yeah, get on the saucer quick, it'll be out in six weeks.

So what you're telling me is that a balloon took this plane down, took this plane down, yep, yep.

A little child let go of the balloon and went up into the atmosphere, and it just crashed a plane in 13 minutes.

Yep, yep.

And think about that also, like people are doing these, like, let's release balloons for cell phone or whatever, like, it's not all benign.

Right, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, the pilot, well, first of all, I'd like to say that I would never release a balloon in the atmosphere, because you know what that is?

Pollution.

Flittering.

It is in the air.

So yeah, I was like, we're working on a software, it'll be out in the next weeks.

And the pilots, the LLY pilot association say, you know, should we route all those planes?

But we always say, no, no, no, we don't even know if it was a pilot, like, this could have been a pilot accident.

So, we don't know that the plane was at the issue, so we're not on the ground of them.

Big mistake.

That is a boy.

Because then, on March the issue, you guys can't prove to us, even though we don't have enough links, we're working on a fix for this issue, but you can't tell us that's really the cause of the issue.

So, March 10th of 2019, EDOE and the airline Flight 302 crashed six minutes after takeoff, and even the batteries like this pilot had learned from the previous estate agent he knew about the MFAS, and he actually tried to like override the system, but the speed of ejection of the plane was so steady and so fast that he wasn't able to overcome the MCAT system.

Oh my gosh.

So, as a result of these two events, EDOE had to pay out $2.5 billion and settle into.

A $243.66 million criminal penalty, $1.7 billion in damages to airline customers, and then a $500 million crash victim of an anti-shear spot.

And it was actually Lee Trum who ended up saying, like, I know that was enough, and you have to ground this airplane, this plane.

And he's the first, this is the only airplane that a president has grounded before.

Wow.

So again, as a result of these payouts, and the COVID laws, as COVID comes right behind this, Boeing has laid off over 50,000 people since 2020.

Wow.

And so it's interesting too that all of this whistleblower stuff we're talking about now is all related to like this, the 737 Max.

So we're seeing new things in the news about Boeing safety issues, but all of the whistleblowing is about, you know, from years ago, the 737 Max.

So again, things kind of are being quiet.

I don't know about you.

I really didn't know that there are issues with Boeing.

Now, I'm nothing, so it's all like people within the aviation industry.

They've been concerned about this decline in Boeing safety over the last several years, but I think a lot of late mid-AVA, I didn't really know that there were issues until January of this year.

And that's when Boeing kind of gets back into the, you know, the news.

So, there was an issue seen to start January when a door plug blew out of a Boeing, Alaska airline plane mid-flight.

Nobody was injured, but can you imagine if you were the man, like if the man had a seatbelt buckled?

Yeah, he would have been dead.

Gone.

Mm-hmm.

Such a fright, I don't know.

So, again, nobody was injured, but it did prompt investigations into Boeing.

An FAA report published the following month concluded that the company had not made enough strides in improving its AED culture, said as those 28, 20, and 29, 29 crashes that killed 346 people.

The FAA interviewed the comprehensive employee for the report, with allegations made that the company was cutting corners, ignoring problems, threatened employees and spoke up, buried the attache by the front of the Senate, and an NTSC reported that Boeing still did not provide all the requested records related to the Alaska incident, because Boeing says, we can't find them.

Sounds very much like Secret Service losing all of the JMK documentation.

Oh, sorry, they're just like not there.

Yeah, we don't know what happened.

We don't know what happened.

Yeah.

Also, it's like things aren't even in paper anymore, you know?

Right, like your entire computer system just crashed?

Yeah, exactly.

You don't have hard drives on hard drives, or you can't?

No, it's not in the cloud.

Yeah, the cloud.

Yeah.

FAA performed a six-week audit of Boeing and Spirit, which again is like the contractor for Boeing, and it found, quote, multiple instances where the companies allegedly failed to comply with manufacturing quality control requirements.

The problem is, though, it seems that, like, because Boeing pretty much has this monopoly, there's this mentality that, like, the Boeing, like, Boeing brought the FAA for later.

These people will testify that, yeah, we told them they had to fix this problem, and Boeing is just kind of like, shh, like, oh, yeah, because they were, you, like, we're Boeing.

Who else are you, who is going to fly, like, sorry.

Well, what other will do you with an airplane for your military?

Who else is going to fly the planes or the planes, what planes?

Maybe build the plane, yeah, yeah.

And then, like I said, since, how's that, is there really a need to, well, a contract with Airbus, you know?

Or maybe I should just start an airplane company and there's my new job.

Yeah, we probably just need like a couple billion dollars to start.

I got the homes.

So, as this reputation has sunk, so has Boeing stock price, I told you that it dropped by more than 26% since the start of the year, uh, per NASDAQ, and they've had a $355 million loss in the first quarter.

So that was the first one, was this Alaska airline flight in January.

Since then, there have been nine additional Boeing issues.

Gosh.

So, like I said, January 5th, Alaska Airlines was forced to make an emergency landing shortly after departing Portland International Airport after the door plug flew off midair.

Images from inside of the craft show a sizable opening.

The net event allowed the craft to fly by a line, causing widespread alarm, though no one was injured.

And four days later, both Alaska and United Airlines reported that several Max crafts were about, 737 Max crafts, were bound to have loose bolts on their door plugs.

So, while they go back out of the tap, it's like, oh yeah, this is a common issue, but the picture is pretty wild.

They're gonna post it, but yeah, I just can't imagine, you know, especially because, right, we're always fighting over the, like, emergency accent.

Right, everybody had to be able to sit there, yeah, and now the hotel room.

I don't know if I want to be sitting in that seat by the window.

I mean, if that would have happened to me, gosh, I don't think I'd ever get on the airplane again.

Well, that's also why they say keep your seat belt buckled when you're not moving about the cabin.

Who does that?

Well, I do that.

January 13, a Japanese airplane cancelled its takeoff after a 737 cockpit window cracked.

A 747 over Miami bound for Puerto Rico was grounded after the crew detected an engine failure.

Oh my god, January 20, two days later, a 757 taking off from Atlanta, what about this cake?

Lost its front nose wheel.

The wheel just fell off and rolled away.

So they had to delay their takeoff until they could like put a new front wheel on.

It just fell off, rolled away.

Uh, February 6, that autos flight from New Jersey landed with a plane just like, was the plane like, boom, on its nose?

I guess so.

It had to have been like, yeah, I mean, they, they literally nose dive, you know?

Uh, February 6, the autos flight from New Jersey landed without a vent, but had a report live of stuff stopper pedals, and yes, yeah, we did a road road with that.

I love that.

I was thinking of like, a car gas that doesn't break pedals, stuff.

That would be awful.

Yeah, that would be terrible.

Yeah.

That's like a legit fear of mine when I'm driving and then your brakes just kind of go out.

You know what I meant to you with that?

No, but like, it could happen.

It could happen.

It's a fear.

Uh, March 7, 777 from San Francisco had diverted to LA because a wheel fell off in a flight, not a wheel, and no one was hurt, but this wheel fell off from above in the air and landed on a car, so damaged the car pretty extensively.

Oh, gosh.

Did you imagine?

Why are the wheels falling off?

Yeah, but I'll say, like, the car wheels were just falling off, and this is like hundreds of people on a plane.

I mean, physics, yeah, they're lucky that they weren't in the car.

I mean, yeah, it's lucky that it just hit a car.

Mm-hmm.

Like, imagine coming out of the, wherever they were, they were like, oh, that's like out of, like, these movies you watch, like, Spider-Man and stuff.

That's, like, something you would see there, like, like a Marvel movie.

Yeah, Marvel.

That's what I was trying to think of, but a 787 on March 11th in New Zealand experienced minutes like technical issue, which caused a rapid drop, and 50 people were injured and had to get medical treatment.

Oh, this was, this was like all over TikTok, right?

Where we get our news.

We're all right.

March 11th was probably this year, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is all this year.

Yeah, no, yeah.

That one, that there's a girl that like videoed it and she like looked, she like showed the plane after the drop and it's like, there was like a preen chaos everywhere.

It's wild.

That would also be terrifying for me.

Any of these circumstances are terrifying for me.

All of these things go through my head as I go on an airplane and now you're going to be like, Kait, you know what, you're not that crazy.

No, now you're going to be taking it off and you're going to be like, please don't let the tire fall off.

Please don't let the tire fall off.

I'm going to be like, please let the bolts be tight.

I mean, that seems like basics, you know?

Tighten your bolts.

March 13th, the 777 from Sidney had to turn around after noting a fuel leak after takeoff.

March 15th, the 737 from San Francisco to Oregon landed in Oregon to find that an exterior panel was just missing, it presumably fallen off in flight.

And then, the late last month, a safety slide fell off a Dell to the 767 and the irony here, it washed up in front of the home of an attorney.

It's apparently suing Boeing over their safety issues.

Wait, like a safety slide?

Like the one that they're like, if you're landing the water and you slide off, then?

Yeah.

It's going to go out and like it.

I always think to myself, like, what is the point of going out with that water?

So all of this is making news now, right?

You've had all these Boeing issues at the beginning of the year.

And so, some of them listed at the OCEA records, and they find that there have been a total of 32 whistleblowers who have come forward to complain to regulatory authorities that there have been retaliation against those who raise safety concerns against the company.

And this is over a three-year period, within three years, 32 of those 32, two of those 32 are the two who died in the last few months under mysterious circumstances, which we'll talk about.

And keep in mind, this is also only OSHA.

So when it comes to aviation, there's separate entities you can report to.

So like the FAA, NTSB, there might be even more whistleblowers who reported to them.

The 32 here are just people who filed complaints that their employer, Boeing or Spirit, punished that or punitive.

So I told you there was this big Senate hearing, the former Boeing engineer Ed Pearson said, I'm not going to sugarcoat this, this is a criminal cover up.

Remember I told you that Boeing said, we don't have the records?

They die of records.

Pearson said, records do in fact exist.

I know this because I personally passed them on to the FBI.

He tried to get the factory to shut down production to fix the safety issues, but they didn't listen.

Boeing quality engineer Sam Salipore, he's been an employee since 2007.

He claimed that Boeing knew about defective parts and assembly problems but opted to maximize profits over addressing issues that would slow down production and cost money to fix.

He said that despite writing numerous memos regarding his concerns, he was silent, claiming, my boss said, I would have killed someone who would have said what you said in that meeting.

He testified that more than 1,000 Boeing planes were in danger of structural failure, and the 777 line's tiny gaps had been improperly filled in 98.7% of his inspected planes, and 80% of those gaps contained debris which could have resulted in a fire.

He reported that 777 had a severe misalignment of airplane parts, and he literally saw people jumping on the pieces to get them to a line, and it's just making me think, like, is this Ikea furniture?

Are we making, like, Ikea airplanes?

Can you just, like, picture somebody in a factory, like, jumping up and down on the airplane to try to make the pieces fit together?

Yeah, you're right, Megan, this is making me a dead roll.

You're done flying?

Yeah.

Oh, you know what?

Apparently, you saw TikTok that, like, all of the budget airlines don't have Boeings.

Like, those are the airlines to be flying right now, because they're not like...

Because they're the ones that...

They don't have enough money.

So, they don't have enough money to buy Boeing aircraft, maybe?

You know what?

I'll be bringing my own bottle of water.

Here I come, Spirit.

Here I come.

I'll pay my 93 different fees.

I packed my own toilet paper.

Let's go.

So the Society of Professional and Engineering Employees in Boeing Aerospace also lodged a complaint that the US.

National Labor Relations Board were against Boeing at the same time, alleging that the company would have retaliated against two of its employees by biting them to the nagging reviews at the analysis that the OIA valued the engineering works that went into the 787 and the 777 jets.

So now let's get into our two whistleblowers, okay?

So John Burnett, he was a following-following manager for Louis Charles in the South Carolina plant.

He had worked for Boeing for 32 years before retiring.

After retiring, he came out accusing the company of cutting corners, using substandard parts and ignoring safety concerns.

He claimed that there was a danger to bring on with the jets and issues with the emergency oxygen system.

Wow.

He also reported that the company had retaliated against him in the past.

So he was in the middle of a hearing before the Department of Labor administrative law judges seeking damages from Boeing for harassment, lost pay, and emotional distress.

Based on a period of time between 2010 and 2017, he had previously worked for Boeing in Seattle.

He was sent by Boeing to the new North Charleston plant to oversee the quality control of the Dreamliner production.

The focus, he thought, like when he moved to South Carolina, went from safety in Washington to schedule and speed up production in South Carolina, which like I said, it's like the engineers are in Washington and everyone kind of feels like everyone should be in the same place.

Yeah.

But now that we've separated it, it's like just purely business and there's no engineer who's like...

I agree.

Like I think that it's crazy that they have separated the engineers from the businessmen.

The businessmen clearly don't know what they're doing.

All they're looking at is the bottom dollar and we know it.

We know that's all they're looking at.

Also, if you just stopped cutting corners, you have a lot more money.

Yeah, exactly.

Now you're just like hemorrhaging money to make up for all the debt you've caused.

You're fault, my friend.

Actions have consequences.

That's what I tell my kids.

He said, I was told to let manufacturing do what they want.

It was constant pressure to keep the line moving.

At Puget Sound, we had one inspector for nine mechanics.

The first thing they did in Charleston was get rid of the ratio.

At times, it was 1 to 50 or 1 to 100.

Just run flat out over quality and let manufacturing do what they want.

And then apparently, later on, they even moved to this self-inspection process.

So the worker builds something, then he has to inspect his own work.

Whereas it used to be someone comes behind and makes sure that all the bolts are tight.

Wait, so the worker who is billing someone for his work is the one who's inspecting him?

Yeah, he builds it and then he does a sub-conspection.

No, there's a reason why you always need like two sets of eyes for this.

No.

He instructed me to not document defects, not to put quality concerns in writing.

It was constant every day.

I was pushing back to follow the quality system and he didn't like that and pretty much wanted me out.

He told me to work in the quote gray area, which I don't care how you spin it, means work outside the process.

There are no gray areas in quality management.

So he files this ethics complaint against his boss, who then retaliated him by failing him on his 2014 performance review when he had previously only had stellar reviews.

He moved him to materials review segregation area, which is known as MRSA.

And this gives me Elf vibes.

When they move him to the toy testing, it's like this, they're like, you're done, we're going to move you over to MRSA.

Okay, so while in MRSA, he was just trying to do its job.

He's just trying to like, he was trying to go like, well, safe.

Yes.

Yeah.

So while in MRSA, he realizes that they aren't documenting per the FAA requirements.

So apparently any piece that like fails inspection is supposed to be reported to the FAA.

But, but they weren't, weren't reporting, reporting them.

So they're just like, just like debunking on parts of these pieces that are failing inspection without reporting them.

He started getting over 20 calls a day from his boss harassing him and alleges he was blackballed from any other job he applied for.

For example, he went and tried to get a different job at like NASA that he thought went very well and then he convinced his boss like, yeah, yeah.

He also reported getting medical retirement.

Do you know where I just learned yesterday?

What?

Carrie told me where the term blackball comes from.

Oh, where does it come from?

It's the Freemasons.

So, whenever they were boating in a new mason, they would have white marbles and black marbles and you would drop your marbles into this jar and if there were any black marbles, then it meant no.

You were blackballed.

We were blackballed.

Oh gosh, I'm bold.

What a piece of history.

The Freemasons, you know, rule and everything.

So, he also reported getting medical retirement and then being unable to even apply for another job due to severe anxiety.

He had testified for 12 hours over two days and he was scheduled to return for a third day of testimony, but he never arrived.

His lawyers did a well-deshed check on him, saw him dead by a holiday in Stafford.

In his, quote, club said, orange Dodge Ram, he had a, well, was he a club said boy?

Sounds like it.

Well, I mean, he does work at Charleston, so.

Yeah, but he moved, I think, and then after this, he moved to Louisiana, but okay, this, he was found in this Dodge Ram with a pistol in his hand and a, quote, white piece of paper resembling a note.

The Charleston court reported that cause of death, quote, appeared to be self-inflicted gunshot wound.

His SWAR co-workers did not believe the suicide story.

A friend, no, this has not been validated by who this person is and if they truly were a good friend, but this person came out and said that he had said to them, I ain't scared, but if anything happens to me, it's not suicide.

He was, so again, he was in the midst of this deposition in his retaliation case.

And this was like suddenly popping to an end.

So his lawyer said, he was a very good spiritist.

He was really looking forward to putting the space of his life behind him and moving on.

We didn't see any indication he would take his own life.

No one can believe it.

It sounds like a setup to me.

Well yeah, but we'll talk, I mean, I think the issue, it sounds very, very vicious.

Everyone's very suspicious.

I'm excited to be done with this.

But I also have a hard time because this is just like an employee, like this is like a Department of Labor trial, okay?

This wasn't like to take Boeing down and his story is already out there.

So, wouldn't it make more sense to like take care of the whistleblower before they blow the whistle, like damage is done, unless your goal is to shut up other whistleblowers?

Well, yeah, it could be a goal.

It could be like a warning, like, hey, you see what happened to him, you better keep him out.

But also like, what if he wins this and then tries to go bigger?

Oh no, I also feel like if you've lost two and a half billion dollars more than that now, they're like, what this is, his case is probably like pennies.

You really think you can kill them, Tom?

No, I don't know.

I'm just trying to be, I'm trying to tell both sides, you're trying to be the devil's advocate.

So what Arnett said is, that's what my story is about, is telling my story enough to where the right people get involved to make sure that these airplanes are made correctly.

Because the 787 carries 288 passengers plus group.

So last thing I want to do is wake up in the morning and see a 787 has gone down because of one of the problems that I identified.

I mean, it just keeps me up at night.

So it just seems like he was really dedicated to seeing this through.

He sounds like he has a touch of the tism.

They did say that he might have been a little bit like that reference about working the gray area.

Yeah.

Boeing claims it's because he was so rigid, but so he was so rigid that they were like, we were trying to just teach him not to like go around the rules, but just like, you know, be flexible.

Right.

Uh, Boeing released a statement, we are saddened by Mr.

Barnett's statement, huh?

We'll have a statement.

And their thoughts continue to be with his family and friends.

Boeing reviewed and addressed quality issues that Mr.

Barnett raised before he retired in 2017, as well as other quality issues referred to in the complaint.

Engineering analysis determined the issues he raised did not affect airplane safety.

We will refer you to OSHA related to their assessment in 2020, that Boeing did not violate Mr.

Barnett's whistleblower protections.

We encourage all employees to speak up when issues arise.

Retaliation is strictly prohibited.

Then I want you, we're going to go into the second case, and I want you to look this guy's picture up.

Okay.

Because he's like a young fit dude.

Alright.

Does it?

I know we can't judge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We can't judge.

But does he look like an elderly person to you?

No, not at all.

So he worked for Spirit Aerosystems.

Which I was telling you is a Boeing supplier.

Okay.

He had worked for Spirit since 2019.

He was just briefly about reading the Antiquity, but he came back in 2021.

And then he'd actually come forward in 2022 with a four out of Alaska Airlines issue.

Okay.

He reported it improperly drilled holes in the fuselage and had given a deposition in a shareholder lawsuit accusing Spirit of concealed production issues.

He had also filed a complaint with the FAA alleging, quote, serious and gross misconduct by senior quality management of the 737 production line at Spirit.

It is known at Spirit that if you make too much noise and cause too much trouble, you will be moved.

It doesn't mean you completely disregard stuff, but they don't want you to find anything and write it up.

He was fired in April 2023, allegedly for failing to identify a separate safety issue.

He filed a complaint to the FAA alleging that he was made a scapegoat while Spirit did nothing to inform regulators and the public of the concerns he had flagged.

He had also filed a complaint with the Department of Labor that this was retaliation for reporting his aviation safety concerns.

Dean's former colleague, Lance Thompson, publicly backed Dean's claims saying, production deadline were prioritized over safety at Spirit's Wichita plant and manufacturers encouraged workers to hide defects.

So again, as far as we know, this guy is a healthy 45-year-old living in Wichita, Kansas.

It's very hard to figure out the sequence of events, but it says that he had developed a breath and went on the hospital and it sounds like he had a few weeks of a critical illness where he was treated for influenza B.

And then it says, then he developed pneumonia and then he developed a Mersin infection is like when his aunt sends like, again, I don't know what took him in initially.

He ended up intubated.

He ended up on diatoliciness.

He ended up on ECMO.

Then they said at some point he had a stroke, which I think we know was like a common complication in ECMO.

So, they probably just scanned his head and saw some strokes and it doctors were considering amputating his hand and feet, which had turned black.

So, probably had a lot of pressure, lip pressure, pressure up before he died on April 30th.

So, some kind of infection is what killed him, but I'm not sure what were like, no psychodial infections and what actually took him into the hospitals, like really bad, really bad bata sepsis.

Yeah, but I feel like a healthy 45 year old doesn't just get septic shock and endometrial and die.

I mean, it gets very rare.

Yeah, that's true.

You're right.

You're right.

Unless he delayed disease, unless he delayed, like, care, unless he went to the ER, you know, until he was, like, in full blown, because it's like earlier the better, you know.

So as lawyer said, Josh's passing is a loss to the aviation community and the flying public.

He possessed tremendous courage to stand up for what he felt was true and right and raised quality and safety issues.

Aviation companies should encourage and incentivize those that do raise these concerns.

Our thoughts are with Josh, and this is, Spirit says, our thoughts are with Josh's Dean's family.

The sudden loss is stunning news.

Yeah, so I will say kind of a side note that there was somebody else who had filed, like three employees had filed a lawsuit against Boeing 20 years ago.

And this case went on for over a decade.

It was finally dismissed.

It was about like defective parts that were being used to build the 737.

Two of these employees had also complained of mysterious ailments, including they claimed exposure, toxic mold, but like, and so they're in the same factory that Dean was in, right?

So was that what happened?

Was this like, he was supposed to work hazards and that's what made him so sick?

Or was he offed?

You could argue it's pretty hard to like, infect somebody, right?

But I can also tell you that that grand friend of the pod wrote us a link about the CIA's heart attack gun.

Did you see that?

No, I didn't see it.

Oh, in 1877, the CIA revealed the existence of a heart attack gun.

So really, Mary Evry was employed by the CIA after graduation, who graduated.

Initially as a separate agency and then promoted the office of the optical services.

She concluded that selfish talkologists would do the job.

So this was all part of MKAOB, which was the center of MKUltra that we've talked about in the past, and that the goal of MKAOB was to store materials like either ink of a path to a perennial elicited object to develop devices for the diffusion of such materials.

So they took her idea, and the CIA published it where Dietrich mixed shelving chalks with water and froze the mixture into a small pellet dart that would be fired from a modified pistol and had a 100 meter range with silent.

The dart would melt, and it would release poison into the blast tube, and there would be a little red dot, but no other evidence.

This is terrifying.

And it would look like the patient had had a cardiac arrest, it would just collapse, and it would give them a heart attack, and they would be dead within minutes.

And apparently, every point that this had been attached to a cannibal and a prisoner had a great effect.

Oh gosh.

I'll go right to my talk about another church who had done a...

They learned that an DNA genome had existed.

They also learned that a third of a global shulker's chosses were produced as a.

I heard about Luluma, J&I, I'm a freaky, it had been secretly killed.

Yeah, Luluma.

And Trichio, and after recording, I can be next president.

Story.

So, when I first do this story about Dean, I was like, I feel like he died really out of infection.

So, how could that be like, you know, intentionally cause somebody?

But it sounds like there's a name we, Brandon said as a previous article about the heart attack and I'm like, you can't put anything about my, you know, you can't rule out anything, right?

I mean, they have the smartest people working for them, right?

Like, okay, I have another question here for us to discuss.

Okay, but first of all, what was the purpose?

So do you still think right now that these whistleblowers were overkill?

I believe one was killed and the other one sounds like just an unfortunate infection.

So why would they kill the first guy if he's RR testified, the whistle had already been blown?

Like, what's the goal?

What is he gaining?

I mean, like I said, I told you earlier, maybe they were like sending a message like this is just in case you want to go to the authorities.

This is it, people.

This is your doom that you'll meet.

And then the other part of me is like they wanted to stop him before he got it.

Like bigger, his name got bigger or like he started to make waves.

I mean, this guy was already on the news.

But doing the rounds, they interviews.

His family didn't take over the defamation case, so it's still going through, it's still going to trial.

They would have been better off all beating him before he had to die two days prior.

Well, maybe they thought that that's when he was going to testify.

Or maybe they heard about his testimony and they were like, we got to nip this in the bud.

I don't know.

I mean, what I do want to know and what I do find suspicious is we've not heard anything about any security camera footage.

And I feel like he was held dead in his car in the Holiday Inn parking lot.

There should be some video footage.

As we know, videos are always out.

Yeah, I don't know why they're always out.

Like, what's the problem with that?

So what do you think if you think that it's somebody off to do the first whistleblower?

Right.

Who do you think that was?

Do you think it was Boeing?

Do you think it was the government?

I think it was probably a hitman paid off by Boeing.

I mean, do you think they were like sitting around, around the people, around the people, around the people, around the people?

No, I think that like probably somebody was like, I don't know who, but was like, take care of it.

And he knew who to call.

I think that these were, I don't know, I do have a hard time with the first guy.

He sounds like maybe he had sort of some issues, but I don't exactly know.

Yeah, right.

He sounds like he's more in the stuff.

He's not necessarily like depressed.

Right, like a much disorder in his title.

I do think it's odd timing that he's like apparently so excited to be done with this.

He's about to totally get a big payout, and this is when he decides he's done.

That's really sad to me.

If you do believe, again, when I first heard the story about the second Wessel Tower, and I'm like this guy, the guy in the function, it's really sad.

But I don't know, I feel like I'd have said anyhow also.

I mean, he's a sadist.

He's already testified.

This has been years.

The odd timing.

But I feel like if anybody did it, I could see the government, the CIA, doing this, because they rely heavily on Boeing.

They have bailed out the airline multiple times.

It's another one where I think the government's got its little hands in there.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

And it seems like, I mean, even the SAA was like bowing down to Boeing.

So if there's like a match, we should find out they were like number four contractor.

So like if Boeing goes down, what happens to our military?

That's true.

That's true.

That's a valid point.

That is a very valid point.

To be our demand, we have to go into like 73, 34 wars, you know?

Don't get me started.

I'm his worst girlfriend.

But yeah, no, no, no, that's valid.

So you think that they like reached out to the government?

No, I don't think anyone reached out to the government because I think that people can't be having these conversations.

There cannot be like a board meeting of valid people being like, let's off people.

No, I mean, of course, it's always a secret.

Most meeting of the minds in business does not take place in like a board meeting setting.

You know, it's like over beverages at a country club, mostly one-to-one.

Like these people that are like up in high society, high business meetings, like it's happening on a golf course.

It's happening, you know, in a cigar, in a gentleman's club.

Like it is not in a board room.

So if somebody were to reach out to the CIA, or, you know, maybe they just have friends somewhere.

I mean, but I mean, that would be, that would mean implicating like CIA.

But you know, you know, anything past the CIA.

All right.

That's all we have.

Do you have any other thoughts, Keith?

No, I just think this is like, I'm like, well, third whistleblower, guys, we're going to have to cover this again.

I know, right?

Like, that's probably going to change my opinion.

I just think that the idea that like an airplane company is like cutting corners is just terrifying.

Yeah, it is terrifying.

And the fact that there's no competition either.

But yeah, they can just do this and get away with it because you're so dependent on them.

Yeah, because they know that they like they have all the power in the situation.

All right.

I guess I did hear that like I had a friend who was an air mechanic in the military.

And he was like military planes are like so much more like they're safer to fly on because there's so many more like all the like checklists that they have to follow that like commercial.

So, too with that as well.

Maybe they're maybe they're the ones tightening the bolts.

You know what I mean?

Well, they do.

They have all this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Making sure that wheels are going to fall off and apply.

Making sure that exterior panels are going to fall off.

I never had fear of lying.

I guess so.

But actually what scares me more than I didn't fear before is the ocean.

The ocean, you guys always scared me.

That's why I don't want you guys going to the moon.

I don't want to be surrounded by the ocean.

Join us for the season of this summer.

The season.

When we talk about it.

Shout out to the girl.

That was her contribution.

What do you guys call it?

It's a season.

Okay, so it sounds like Colleen is still in the tunnels.

We haven't heard from her.

So we will be sure to get her opinion and share with you all.

I can't wait to see what she has found in these tunnels.

Like, what do you think she's found?

I'm hoping it's the Bigfoot.

I'm hoping it is.

Bigfoot's in the tunnels?

Well, maybe just a little bit.

Maybe he's like, that's how he gets from one place to the other.

There's a lot of Bigfoot sightings out there.

Okay, Katie, what should the people do?

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