Scientology and Missing Shelly Miscavige

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Scientology is a controversial and highly secretive religious movement founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard in the 1950s. It emphasizes practices like auditing, a form of spiritual counseling, and the belief in an immortal spiritual being called a "thetan." The church is known for its strict hierarchical structure, aggressive litigation against critics, and insular community practices. Shelly Miscavige, the wife of current Scientology leader David Miscavige, vanished from public view around 2007, sparking widespread concern and speculation. Her disappearance has been particularly alarming to critics and former members of the church, who allege that the church's authoritarian control and penchant for secrecy may be factors in her prolonged absence. Despite inquiries and a missing person's report filed by ex-Scientologist Leah Remini, the church insists that Shelly is simply living a private life dedicated to her work within the organization, yet no verifiable sightings or communications from Shelly herself have emerged, fueling ongoing mystery and controversy. What really happened to Shelly? 

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I got a wicked, wicked allergies right now.
Wicked allergies, you can eat them like hell.
I think it’s the grass pollen that’s killing me.
The pollen here has been absolutely brutal, Kat.
Yeah, and then my asthma.
I like open the door and I’m itchy.
Might be the physical manifestation of your psychiatric blocks.
You know what, though?
I did get have some psychosomatic.
I’m having a psychosomatic reaction.
I think you need to be audited.
Is that the word?
By the silent.
Like when my lip was swelling and I was getting covered in house.
Yeah, psychosomatic.
That’s what was happening.
Yeah, it was horrible.
Yeah, that’s what they told me was wrong with my chest.
And then we found out four years later, while I do have anxiety, that it was actually, there was a true medical.
Yeah.
Scientologists would say, you probably need to go be audited because there’s probably something blocking your brain.
What?
Yeah.
Audited with what?
Aliens.
No, that’s someone audits you.
Okay, but how?
What do they do?
Just like.
They ask you questions.
You talk.
It’s giving confession.
It’s pretty much they want to get a confession out of you.
They can then use to blackmail you in the future.
Oh, I see.
Oh, because that’s kind of how they do it.
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Today we’re talking a little Scientology.
Little alien, little Scientology, little science.
And a lot of missing woman.
So, Scientology is the controversial and highly secretive religious movement founded by science fiction writer L.
Ron Hubbard in the 1950s.
It emphasizes practices like auditing, a form of spiritual counseling, and the belief in an immortal spiritual being called a thetan.
The church is known for its hierarchy, its aggressive litigation against critics, and its insular community practices.
Shelly Miscavige, the wife of current Scientology leader, David Miscavige, vanished from public view around 2007, sparking widespread concern and speculation.
Her disappearance has been particularly alarming to critics and former members of the church who allege that the church’s authoritarian control and penchant for secrecy may be factors in her prolonged absence.
Despite inquiries in a missing persons report filed by ex-Scientologist Leah Romini, the church insists that Shelly is simply leaving a private life dedicated to her work within the organization.
Yet no verifiable sightings or communications from Shelly herself have emerged fueling ongoing mystery and controversy.
What really happened to Shelly?
I have a theory already.
Well, let’s talk about it.
It’s sounding like, when you describe them being audited, and it’s like brain control, I think of what kind of procedures they would do.
I bet she was lobotomized, and she’s in a facility.
Like it’s 1940s?
I will also, just to clarify for the listeners, auditing sounds more like a sort of type of therapy that maybe goes too far.
I don’t think it necessarily includes that you know of.
Procedures, but okay.
Kait, what do you think?
Alleged.
I have no idea what I think.
I don’t have any theories.
I think she’s in like a facility.
She’s alive.
You think she’s alive?
I think she’s dead.
But too damaged.
Oh, okay.
That’s what I’m saying.
Like they disabled her.
A vegetative state?
Yes.
I think she’s probably dead.
What year did this happen?
Her last sighting was in 2007.
Yeah, I know.
I think she’s dead by now.
Yeah, but I think she was lobotomized.
I think she’s D-E-N dead.
You think she’s dead?
I think she’s dead.
D-E-A-D dead.
Lobotomized.
So, but like lobotomy.
I mean, that is what they did to Kennedy this year.
Rosemary.
Rosemary.
Scientology was founded by Ron Hubbard in the 1950s.
Hubbard was born in Nebraska in 1911.
Nebraska.
It’s where Kait wants to go live.
Sometimes.
Sometimes I think, why not?
Couldn’t even name them.
They have a Whole Foods there, you said.
They have a Whole Foods, and the cost of living is 20% lower than the rest of the country.
Well, we are currently living in one of the top three most expensive places.
But also Nebraska’s awfully close to Kansas, and you know what’s in Kansas?
Yeah, the ticks.
The New Plum Island.
Yeah.
Oh, I already forgot.
Okay, so anyway, Hubbard was born in Nebraska in 1911 to a US.
Navy officer and his wife and spent much of his childhood traveling.
He attended George Washington University in DC., but he dropped out to become a science fiction writer.
Interesting fact.
That’s interesting.
And this includes his later writings about Scientology as well.
But interesting fact, he holds the Guinness record for the most published books because he has published over a thousand books.
Name one.
Oh, wow.
Hubbard gets drafted.
He serves in World War II.
After serving in World War II, he published a series of books about Dianetics, which is like his approach to mental health.
The book was a success.
And in 1954, the first Church of Scientology opened.
Hubbard died in 1986, and David Miscavige took over.
And so he’s running it to this day.
So David and his wife are our main characters here, okay?
Main characters.
Yeah.
So followers of Scientology for a little, we were talking earlier about Scientology.
I’ve seen a lot of documents on this cult.
These girls, I think, are a little less familiar.
Yeah.
I’ve seen that show with the girl.
Leah Romini?
I’ve seen like a couple episodes.
Followers believe that our life traumas are blocking us from experiencing reality.
So they use this e-meter, which they said is sort of like a lie detector test, but it doesn’t measure your blood pressure, your heart rate.
And they use it to measure electric flow.
As an auditor asks a series of questions, and this kind of allows the followers to discover the sources of their trauma.
And so once they have identified that trauma, they can like release it, and it like neutralizes them and allows them to achieve a spiritual state called clear.
So that’s why they talk about like going clear, I think in the documentary.
Do they have to be continuously cleared?
Or just once?
No, I think they go through a lot of auditing sessions.
Oh, okay.
Like for years.
But I don’t understand, what is the chemical reaction that’s watching?
Is Tom Cruise there?
I don’t know that they’re watching a chemical reaction.
Oh, okay.
Like there’s just a video, it’s like the sensor that’s just like, like a electromagnetic sensor, I guess, but it could just be fucking voodoo.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, like what is the science?
I know.
So, as they advance through this process, they then attempt to rid their body of space alien parasites.
But again, that’s like phase two.
So once you make it through the initial phase where you like, again, neutralize your traumas, then you can advance to the second round where then you want to like eliminate the alien parasites.
Scientologists believe that psychiatry and psychiatric drugs interfere with the rational mind and don’t believe in the use of psychiatric drugs indulging or including.
So that would include like painkillers, tranquilizers, antidepressants, all of those are considered as disastrous as illicit drugs.
Even Tylenol?
Well, how do these people have like surgery?
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Because the initial, and I’ve asked this question before, are Scientologists against medicine?
And generally the very brief superficial overview is like, no, they believe in medicine, just not like psychiatry, mental health.
But how can you really believe in medicine if you’re not allowed to have like painkillers or?
But also, I mean, again, how do they have surgery?
What if you need just very basic, your tonsils taken out?
Your appendix out for appendicitis.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I do wonder.
I mean, I’ve never met a Scientologist though.
Today, the Church of Scientology reports that they have 10,000 churches in 167 countries with 4.4 million people joining annually.
But experts believe there are less than a million followers total and that most of them are concentrated in the LA area, which is perhaps why you guys said like, yeah, we’ve never met a Scientologist.
And that’s why I was thinking of California healthcare providers.
Well, and I definitely like, I mean, I think the big like, there’s a big Scientology headquarters in DC I’ve driven by a bunch before.
Oh yeah, and they have crazy cameras like the Freemason.
Yeah, we did talk about that.
And they normally have security guards.
They don’t let photographers.
Oh no, for sure, we’re gonna talk about the secrecy.
So David Miscavige was born in Pennsylvania and he was raised with his twin sister by Catholic parents in New Jersey.
His father became interested in Scientology and when his son struggled to play baseball because of his asthma and allergies, his dad took him to a Scientologist and surprise, within 45 minutes, his symptoms were cured.
No, because he went inside?
He got audited.
Because he wasn’t running, so his asthma wasn’t a problem.
So the family is convinced.
They joined the church in 1971 and they moved to the world headquarters in West Sussex, England.
And apparently he was a bit of a Scientologist prodigy.
He became the youngest auditor that they’d ever had.
And that’s the person again who sits there in Grosjeux.
He moved back to the United States before dropping out of high school with his parents’ blessing.
Can you imagine giving your children this blessing?
Yeah, drop out and join this cult.
So his parents were like, yeah, do it.
So he drops out, he moves to Clearwater, Florida, and he joins the Sea Organization.
And the Sea Organization is an organization within Scientology.
No, I can’t imagine.
Are all head auditors clear?
I think you probably have to be clear in order to be able to audit.
Do you think other auditors audit each other?
I think you probably-
Like in order to stay clear?
Who audits?
Yeah, you probably do have to continue.
Who audits the highest auditor?
The alien.
The alien parasites?
They’re trying to get rid of them.
They just keep them in the jar.
So back to the C organization.
So the C organization is this organization within Scientology.
That’s like kind of the elite.
Again, it’s got like it’s a little military.
They dress like they’re a military.
C organization.
Well, like SCA.
I was like the letter C.
No, SCA.
And so while he was a member of C-ORG, he became kind of Hubbard’s like right-hand man.
Okay.
C organization requires its members.
So when you join, when you’re like, I’ve been audit, I’ve been cleared.
I’m ready to go work this C-ORG.
You have to sign a contract that you are committing to a billion years of service to Scientology.
One billion.
One billion.
So wow.
The billion year contract.
So they die and then they.
They’re serving after death.
Scientology had a lot.
What happens when your billion years is up?
I guess you’re free.
I thought Scientology also had like a financial factor.
Like you have to pay money to be cleared or something.
Oh, I’m sure there’s money involved.
There’s something, yeah.
We’ll talk about it.
A billion is 12 zeros behind one.
You can’t even count to a billion.
You know who asked me that one time, Patch.
In the 1970s, several high-ranking members of the church were convicted of crimes, which caused Hubbard to go into hiding.
What kind of crimes?
The Guardian’s office was this office, this part of Scientology that had been created to protect the church’s interests.
And their purpose was to gather information on people or agencies that were deemed enemies, like anyone who’s gonna speak about Scientology is an enemy of Scientology.
So on July 8th, 1977, the FBI stormed the LA and DC offices of Scientology and seized 50,000 documents.
A year later, several members, including Hubbard’s wife, were accused of mastering in a conspiracy against the government.
In October of 1979, the government struck a plea deal with the church and nine defendants.
They each pled guilty to one charge of conspiracy in exchange for a lesser sentence, but some, including Hubbard’s wife, were sentenced to five years prison time.
So this whole scandal comes out, and they’re like, Hubbard, you better lay low because he was definitely involved and his wife just wasn’t turning, like if his wife turned on him, it’d be over, right?
So they’re like, you’re definitely involved in this.
They haven’t arrested you.
You need to just like lay low.
So he’s waiting for this to blow over.
And David Miscavige is kind of acting as like the middle man, the face of Scientology.
In 1996 Hubbard dies and Miscavige stepped in as the highest ranking member.
What is interesting is that he was not appointed.
He was not like Hubbard hadn’t like left instructions.
Yeah, Hubbard had actually appointed someone else as his successor.
And Miscavige was like, wait a minute, no, it’s me.
I’m here.
He like asserted his power and just kind of took over.
But he has had a lot of his own auditing controversy.
I need a lot more auditing.
So several former members of the Church of Scientology have accused Miscavige of physical and psychological abuse.
These allegations include claims of verbal assaults, beatings and coercive tactics to maintain control over church members.
High profile defectors like Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun have publicly detailed instances of abuse they alleged to have witnessed or experienced themselves.
They’re in some of these podcasts that we’ll link to.
The Church of Scientology under Miscavige’s leadership has been known for its aggressive tactics against critics, former members and journalists.
This includes extensive legal battles, smear campaigns and alleged harassment.
The Church’s use of private investigators and lawsuits to intimidate and silence detractors has been well documented.
Critics have raised questions about the financial practices of the Church of Scientology, particularly regarding the use of funds and its tax exempt status of the Church.
I think it took them a really long time to actually get like tax exempt status because the government was like, are you a church?
Are you a cult?
I do want to know what they do.
Like, do they meet on a certain day of the week and for like a worship session?
Well, I think the only person being worshiped is David.
Yeah.
Oh, I thought it was about the aliens.
Where’s Tom Cruise in it?
He’s gotta be up high.
Oh, I bet he’s an auditor.
You think he’s an auditor?
John Travolta was also in Scientology and that’s why his son died, right?
Well, his son had seizures and that’s probably, I didn’t believe in that between seizures.
And then I’m also, his wife died of breast cancer.
And again, I’m not, I don’t know the story, but like, did she get medical treatment?
Were they like, you can’t have a mastectomy because you can’t have pain meds?
I’m talking about the money, right?
Right.
I just have questions.
Oh yeah, I know you, yeah, I like it.
Additionally, there have been reports of exploitative labor practices within the church, especially concerning members of the C-Org who are said to work long hours for minimal pay under harsh conditions.
Like I think these people work eight hours and they maybe take home $50.
So his leadership style has been described as autocratic and dictator-like.
Former high-ranking members have recounted instances where he would enforce strict and often arbitrary rules, maintaining an environment of fear and control within the organization.
Again, like I said, there’s been a lot of legal battles, often as a result of the confrontational approach to perceived enemies.
Like if you said you watched the Lea Rouenini show, and yeah, they’ll show you how people are just-
It’s crazy.
Yeah.
And so again, there’s been a lot of legal disputes and a lot of this has kind of come along the actions and policies of Miscavige.
His father Ron actually left the church.
And when he left, his son put him under 24-hour surveillance for 18 months, which cost the church $10,000 a week.
At one point, security thought that maybe Ron was having a heart attack.
And they were like, do you, you know, they called David and they said, like, are we supposed to intervene?
And he said, no.
In the meantime, David married fellow Sea Org member, Shelly Barnett.
So Shelly Barnett is the true main character of our story.
And so Shelly’s mother Flo was a Scientologist who resigned.
And on September 8th, 1985, she was found dead at age 52 from a shot to the head from a Ruger rifle.
And she had also been shot three times in the chest.
Oh my gosh.
The autopsy revealed slash marks to her wrist, which were likely several days old and called the cause of death suicide.
But would you think someone could shoot themselves four times before dying?
No.
Fishy.
Very fishy.
Again, not even the star of our show, but like I think laying a precedent here.
No way.
Miscavige denies any involvement, but witnesses claim that he has been heard saying that bitch got what she deserved.
Wow.
Wow.
He also is just kind of the kind of person.
So mentally.
The kind of person he is.
He’s currently embroiled in like some legal issues.
He faces a federal lawsuit accusing him and the church of human trafficking.
It was like filed by former members of the church.
They allege that they were trafficked into the church as children and then forced to work long hours under harsh conditions.
Oh, I believe that.
What was just like about his personality.
So David was just bopping from house to house that he owned to avoid being served.
Like he knew they were trying to serve them and he just avoided the whole process for like four months.
Oh, wow.
And then finally a judge just came out and was like, consider yourself served.
Like you’ve made an obvious effort to avoid this.
So consider yourself served, you’re served.
So he’s kind of involved right now in a bunch of lawsuits.
There’s also a lawsuit from actress Leah Romini about harassment and defamation following her departure.
And then Mike Rinder, I told you about, I think there’s also a case from him.
So that’s all ongoing right now.
There’s a girl in 2019 who claimed that she joined the Sea Org at age 15.
And she’s now filed a suit against Miscavige and Scientology that she was kidnapped.
She has suffered stalking, libel, slander, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Miscavige is also named in a lawsuit right now.
Remember Danny Masterson from that 70s show?
He had all these rapes.
Well, he was a hardcore Scientologist.
And they claim that Scientology was trying to harass his victims, like the church.
To get them to shut up.
Yeah.
And so anyway, he’s got a lot of cases going on.
There’s also some lawsuits about sexual assaults from sexual assaults of children from senior members of the C-Org.
Disgusting.
But to the real star of our story, Shelly.
So Michelle Barnett or Shelly, she was born in 1961 to, like I said, longtime Scientologist Flo.
At age 12, she became a member of the Commodore’s Messenger Organization.
So this was like this group within the C-Org that David was also a member of.
And they would kind of just like relay messages between the leader and the C-Org.
In 1982, 21 year old Shelly married 22 year old David.
She became his official assistant and she was the direct liaison of Tom Cruise.
It’s like Tom Cruise, Tom Heyman, and he was like their star.
I think that also a, I think I read like a psychic had told David, like the next person you convert is gonna change Scientology and it was like Tom Cruise.
Yeah, so Shelly became, she supervised the auditing of Penelope Cruz.
Remember Penelope Cruz dated Tom Cruise before.
And then she set up his girlfriend interview.
So all these women thought they were coming to audition for a role.
It was for a girlfriend.
Yeah, for a role in the next Mission Impossible, it was for a girlfriend.
And so he met some actors he dated for a few months, then he dumped her and then Katie Holmes comes in for this interview, but it’s really a girlfriend interview.
So anyway, so Shelly is really responsible for them getting together.
She also oversaw the renovation of Tom Cruise’s home in Beverly Hills by Scientology members.
So it was like, again, abusive members.
Right.
So Shelly worked under her husband in the church.
Many coworkers felt that David was more of like a boss than a husband.
It wasn’t necessarily like a romantic relationship.
It was just kind of like two Scientology prodigies getting together.
They slept in separate rooms and they really showed no public displays of affection.
In 2006, she made some company decisions without a direct order from her husband.
So I guess she was like giving away staff positions, like assigning roles to people.
Without his approval.
And then she was stripped of all of her responsibilities in her role.
Oh my God.
And then she began being followed by a watcher.
And there’s one guy who said he was a Scientologist and he like ran into Shelly in the bathroom or something and was like, I need your help getting out.
And she said, listen to me, I fucked up and I’m not gonna be able to help you.
Wow.
So that guy ended up getting out on his own, but it’s like what, I mean, that’s a weird thing to say.
Right.
And again, she was the face of Scientology up till this.
And now all of a sudden she’s just like gone.
We don’t see her.
I hear Taylor.
While attending, so again, our Tom Cruise, famous Scientologist, has been set up by the Scientologist, Katie Holmes, they’re getting married.
It’s 2006.
Leah Romini says that she noticed Shelly wasn’t present.
And she thought that’s really odd because David was the best man in this wedding.
Oh, golly.
Also, David was the best man.
I tell you what, Tom Cruise is messed up.
So Leah says she kept saying like, where’s Shelly, where’s Shelly?
And that she says another high ranking church leader said to her, I don’t think you have the fucking right, quite honestly, to ask where Shelly is.
It was a little bit shocking to hear these are mean to each other.
I’m confused.
I feel like everything is just angry.
So how are they, what is it?
Clean?
Clear.
I don’t think she did anything that bad.
So she was sort of seen off and on in 2006, but again, like missing from big Scientology events.
So last time that she’s actually been seen in public was in 2007, she was going to her father’s funeral.
She was escorted by two men and looked, she looked like really frail in these photos people took of her.
And she’s not been seen since then.
So again, the question remains, like, is she alive?
Is she depressed and isolated and maybe not getting the treatment she needs?
Lobotomized.
Is she dead?
Definitely dead.
Lobotomized.
She hasn’t been seen since 2007.
So the church was arguing that she just likes her privacy.
So the biggest theory is that there’s this gated community that is owned by the church in Clearwater, Florida.
And that that’s where she’s living, like in this gated community.
But also when she was with her husband, she had five dogs.
And these dogs remained at her husband’s house after she moved on.
He disappeared.
And people are like, well, that’s weird.
Wouldn’t she have taken the dogs with her?
So unless this was like not by choice.
He ate her.
He cut her up and ate her.
Is she being isolated against her will?
Again.
So Ramini, Leah Ramini did file a missing persons report that the police search found nothing.
So she claims that, I mean, her theory is like get Scientologists are in cahoots with the police.
And they probably, they’re trying to keep like her location or possible death of mystery.
But it’s like within 48 hours or something, the LAPD was like, we did a check.
We saw her, we made contact.
She’s not missing.
All good.
There’ve also been some claims, anonymous reports that perhaps she was spotted in California.
Again, looking frail, almost homeless.
She’s almost always been accompanied by two men in these sightings, but these can’t really be proven, only rumors.
But to your point now, Kait, WebSleuths did some research.
I think this was on the, this was on a link I got.
I believe in WebSleuths.
I do too.
I don’t know what those are.
People like you and me who were like, I’m gonna solve this crime, and you like dig into records and check it out.
Okay, so WebSleuths looked her up and found.
So she’s registered to vote.
Shelly is currently registered to vote at the address of the secretive facility that is operated by Scientology’s most hush hush subsidiary, the Church of Spiritual Technology.
So that’s again, near Twin Peaks, California, in the San Bernardino Mountains, about 70 miles northeast of Los Angeles.
Why didn’t she register to vote in 2017?
Well, so that’s what they’re saying.
They’re saying that actually she has not voted since the 90s.
So the thought is that perhaps she had to get renewed driver’s license.
And when you renew your driver’s license, it can renew your voter registration.
She was like transiently at this place, renewed a driver’s license, and she’s moved on since then.
It’s hidden.
Also, she has no credit card registered in her name.
So if she’s alive, she has no financial independence.
That’s kind of terrible.
I don’t think she’s alive.
I think he ate her.
Lobotomized, eaten, she’s gone.
So again, the last actual, we have these rumors, the last confirmed sighting is 2007.
Who was that guy that just got, like what was that guy who was a cannibal that everybody thought was hot?
Army Hammer.
Yeah, Army Hammer.
Is he a Scientologist?
He’s best friends with Tom Cruise.
Oh, there you go.
Army Hammer ate her.
I can’t confirm he’s a Scientologist.
I just-
Don’t come for me.
Yeah, they would.
Yeah.
So again, since 2007, she’s not been seen at any public events, including like Church of Scientology events, which you would think, I mean, again, she was the face of this church.
I just want to know what happens at their events.
I’m very, I’m just curious about what they do.
They take your money and convince you that you can achieve a, you could do better than you are.
They give you promises.
Everything costs money.
Yeah, I guess like, it’s sort of like the intrigue with the Freemasons, like what are they doing?
Literally.
Yeah, I just want to know.
Is it national treasure or not?
I want to be a fly on the wall, if walls could talk, you know?
I’d talk, you know, if I was a wall.
Yeah, you’d definitely talk, yeah.
She has not had an official confirmed sighting since 2007.
Leah Remini filed that report in 2013, a missing persons report, in which within 48 hours, they said, we talked to her, she’s alive, she’s good.
Again, what does that mean?
Still, no one has seen her since, so we know the Church of Scientology will take you out.
Yeah.
Right?
Did they take her out?
They definitely took her out.
I believe that they could have locked her up in one of these, like, they have so many like, secure areas.
He paid, like, millions of dollars to supervise, to like-
He’s giving her a fate worse than death.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think-
That’s valid.
I think he paid, like, millions of dollars to watch her parents and his parents when they left the church.
Yeah.
And so, like, what is money, like, to watch his wife?
And I think it is sad because, like, she sounds like she, every time, the sighting she has been seen, or even in 2007, she was, like, really emaciated, and if she has mental health issues and you took away her dog and you don’t believe in mental health drugs.
She’s probably really suffering.
Yeah.
It’s sad.
Yeah.
Or.
Or she suffered so much, she killed herself.
I mean, but, like, maybe she’s just in, like, a padded room.
Well, it’s like, it’s been, like, almost 20 years.
So also, who’s to say that wasn’t the case and now she’s not with us?
I don’t know.
Right.
Like, maybe she lived, like, that for a little bit and then she just.
Something happened.
Yeah.
She starved herself to death.
I am sorry that there’s not more to this story, but I think that just is part of the mystery.
Do you think I tried to go down the Reddit rabbit hole and there’s nothing?
No.
And I mean, pretty much the extent of what’s out there is like what I just shared.
I’ve seen some like blogs from some former people.
But like.
Also, again, how, how hard is it just like.
Produce her.
But also to be like, look, that’s true.
Guys are destroying our religion.
You’re claiming we’ve like killed this woman.
Look, she’s alive.
The fact they’re not doing that is like either she’s not alive or something’s not good.
How many people are in their like back pocket?
That’s what I like.
Like, how old do they have gotten this story to just die?
Yeah, because it’s like the mob.
Like, how many connections do they actually have?
How deep does it go?
Yeah.
Where is Shelly?
I want answers.
Yeah, I have so many questions about Scientology.
I mean, I mean, they do believe in aliens, right?
They think aliens dropped us off here.
Yeah, 75 million years ago, this, there’s this like, Galactic Confederation that is comprised of 76 planets.
And they transported billions of beans in spaceships to this new planet, which came to be known as Earth.
So you were right.
Scientology has a whole different like origin story.
Yeah.
Yeah, we were dropped off.
And the whole idea is to try and get back, right?
And the clearer you are, the closer you are.
There definitely is.
It’s like the next exam.
Like there definitely are levels that they all have names.
And in some of the documentaries, too, like the guy that, you know, it’ll be the guy who’s like, yeah, I went through all of the levels so quickly.
And then I became a, you know, trainer.
And what else can we talk about for 45 minutes and probably 20 of that is rambling.
Nothing.
So I don’t know.
Maybe we got to get like the FBI on this.
Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering.
Like how has this lady been missing for 20 years, almost 20 years and there’s not an investigation.
That’s why I asked like, who’s in their back pocket?
Yeah.
Like, do they have like the government?
Yeah, the government, the government, FBI, CIA.
Yeah.
Are there Scientologists not in America too?
Like is it?
It’s really hard to tell the numbers because they are.
And like the head church was in England, but I think they said they have 169 different countries, maybe, you know what I said?
But the people, like researchers are dubious, that like they think it’s being very over.
Like Miscavige claims that they get 4.4 million followers each year, like new followers.
And the researchers are like, there are maybe a million total followers.
Like the estimates from the church are really high.
But also, I mean, it took a long time again, for the church to get designated as a church.
Like a religious organization.
As a tax-exempt organization, yeah.
So, go to Alien, like Zig, or something like that.
Oh yeah, I just watched the documentary.
Do you know what the name of our planet was?
Oh, oh my God, it’s really stupid.
Tigiak?
Yeah, this religion, I say that loosely, sounds like somebody on a fat mushroom strip.
Yeah, I just want to know, like what are their events like?
And how come they think it’s alien?
Do they worship an alien?
You know how Mormons have the book?
Yeah.
It was written because that guy’s-
The tree stump?
The plate, yeah.
How, who was the first person to be like, aliens for Scientology?
Yeah, yeah, who was the prophet?
I know, it was, well Hubbard is the creator, and he’s the sci-fi writer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so he is just making bank off of, what?
Well, he’s dead now.
Oh, he’s dead.
Oh, that’s right, he got off.
He had no idea.
Okay, we’re not, we already talked about it.
His wife went to jail, he laid low, but he was still the leader, kind of like the, who’s the FDS guy?
Oh, Misca, I’m getting him confused with Miscavige.
That’s, so Miscavige was his friend, and then, yes, Miscavige is still alive, but Miscavige is facing a lot of charges right now.
Yeah, well, I hope one of them is murder of his wife.
Well, and I was, I wonder if there’s some way they could, maybe now there’s all these charges against him, they could like depose higher ups.
And I mean, I know he has, he’s married, so he doesn’t necessarily have to, right?
He’s protected.
But like, if they get some of these other higher ups, maybe they can ask them like, hey.
Yeah, like what’s going on?
Tom Cruise, where’s Shelly?
Yeah.
Hashtag where’s Shelly?
Why is this not a bigger movement?
Well, that’s why that girl has that whole TV show.
Yeah, Leah Romini, because.
Because she also helps people get out, right?
Part of her show.
Because Scientology has money, has important people.
They’re gonna follow the money.
They’re gonna follow us, Scientologists.
Probably, that’s okay.
But this is making me very anxious.
Don’t think, don’t say that.
They’re gonna get us, no.
But I am just very, yeah, I’m just very confused that like, again, there is so little on the internet, even on like the.
The deepest of.
Again, like even like Reddit, which I would say is not necessarily like a good source, or like Wikipedia, or like, there’s just like really not much in general.
Yeah.
Out there about this.
Do they have a picture of what their alien looks like?
It matters.
So I don’t know, Kait, what are our polls gonna be?
Oh, polls, right.
She is alive.
She’s being held.
Lobotomy.
Yeah.
She’s alive, held against her will, given her daily soup.
And that’s all she’s living on.
She has been lobotomized and frozen.
That’s what she thought, right?
Lobotomized and like what this alien looks like.
And she’s dead.
She’d be dead.
She’d be dead.
RIP.
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