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[Music]Hello and welcome to the Creaking SaltSoap Tables of the BrazenHydro Pup in Bilgewater.We're your hosts at Groven.On Quest!And today we'll be sharing a punt andtalking all things from Terra and beyond.Alright, so the first thing that I thinkwe should talk about is something nearand dear to my heart.And something that I think is overlookedheavily in a lot of MMOs today.I already agree with you.Okay, perfect.Probably because you know thetopic that I'm going towards.Yeah.It's professions.Absolutely.The reason professions I think are soimportant is because that isyour single player content.Yeah.That's where if you don't have a lot oftime, that's what you're going to do.You don't have time to raid, you don'thave time to do dungeon.You can log on to yourprofessions for an hour.Yeah.And when I'm saying single playercontent, like you could still be a partof a massive raid groupif professions matter.That's very important.You can be that the guild's alchemist orthe guild's and just by logging on anddoing stuff for the guild,you still feel a part of that guilddespite you not actually being on like,you know, their toptier raid team, you know?Yeah, you're your way ahead of me there.I think single player content should...The whole point of single player contentis that it should contribute to eventualmultiplayer community based content.And that's what professions do.That's what they should do.That should be their rule.That was a really good way to put it.Right. Exactly.Single player content should feed intomultiplayer content.It should never be.It shouldn't be its own thing.Yeah, exactly.Certainly there are somethings that are that are cool.Like we had the mage tower in Legion.I'm sure a lot ofpeople know what that is.Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah.But even something like that mage towerwas basically just like a big singleplayer challenge, like a big boss fightthat required a lot of, you know, in gameknowledge and just good gear, goodweapons to pull it offand to kill that boss.But even something like mage tower, youhad to do multiplayer content.Like if you want to have good enoughgear, especially in the beginning,the major I first came out was verydifficult at the time.If you wanted to beat mage tower, you hadto have good enough gear.So you had to be, you know, interactingwith other players to do that harder,higher level multiplayer contentto get the good gear tocomplete the mage tower.The mage tower was an end.Those are very good and withfun means that led up to it.Yeah, you need you can manageall your professions, right?You have to have like someone come inwith alchemy or whatever and purchase iton the auction house and stuff like that,like those extra resources, which isanother thing that I want to say aboutprofessions is you should notbe able to do all professions.Oh, absolutely not. I completely agree.I think in Final Fantasy 14, I don't knowif you can, but I think even if you can,because I know you can do all classes inFinal Fantasy 14 on one character,but professions in Final Fantasy 14 takeso stinking long, they're their ownavenue of content at that point.I don't know how I feel about that.I'll follow the 14.I kind of prefer if it's just like, youknow, something simple to do on the sidethat leads up to moreimportant content later on,instead of being itsown avenue of content.So Final Fantasy 14 professions are itsown form of content, you're saying, andyou can do all professions?Yeah, I believe you can do all. Don'tcall me on if you can do all professions,but I know you can do all classes.OK, you can be any class you want andswitch on the fly in.I don't like that either, but yeah, yeah,I don't care for that either.I'd rather make likea separate character.Honestly, I like that more. Feels more, Idon't know, like real, I guess.It feels more like I'm youknow, and wow, I'm a warrior.That's what I am. I'm a warrior.I like that more, too. I think it's thesame thing with professions.I'm the alchemist. All right.I make the potions.That guy who's an engineer.I can't do what he does.He makes things that are cool that Ican't make, but I can makecool things that he can't make.So when we come together, we make reallycool stuff together that we can share.Yeah. And then you need everyone, right?You like when you go into a raid, you canhave this one guy that just does justdoes professions all day,has every single capped out profession.Yeah, he does like everything, right?You you become your own.You become self-reliant. Yeah.And that's not good atan MMO. Yeah, I don't.I feel like objectively beingself-reliant at MMO is not a good thing.People would want to do every profession,and I'm sure you can get some content outof that in the mobile by saying you canbe every profession now.And I'm sure it'slike kill a lot of time.Yeah, a lot of peopledo every profession.But then you got to you got to thinkabout what takes away and giving everyonesometimes giving everyone everythingtakes away more thanit gives for the game.Yeah, absolutely.I think the the easier it is to be ableto do everything on your own,the more that's going to hurt thelongevity of the game, because peopleplaying games like like RuneScapeand World of Warcraft ever since like,you know, the early 2000s,they're not still playing itbecause they really enjoy doing the sameexact thing for 20 years.They enjoy it because of the experiencesthey've had with other people.That's what keeps an MMO going on for aslong as it does when it's successful,is because people get attached to the MMObecause they get attachedto the people in the MMO,which is why you need people to rely onother players, which is why you cannothave every profession.Yeah, you have youhave your guild, right?And you have your boy. Thisguy doesn't rate it all. Right.But every single flask that everyone'sdrinking says made by this guy.Yeah, I love that. I love that actuallyhas a name, too. I hope they do that.Yeah, that has to be it.Yeah, it has to be made by this.Even even if you buy something off theauction house, when it just says made bysome random player on your server,it just feels cool. It's like,oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.Someone made thisthis thing that I bought.It just adds a lot for how little of alike addition that is to every item.And not only that, I feel like there is afantasy to professions that needs to bemaintained in the game.Absolutely. And thatgoes back to transmog.I don't think that you should be able totransmog anything and runaround and do whatever you wantin whatever gear you're wearing and makeit look however you want.Yeah. Like when you're doing aprofession, let's saythat you're a miner.No, you should you should be incentivizedto equip like a pickaxeand and wear like yourmining gear and whatever and the miningand or you're in your inside the the cityinstead of just standing there in likefull tier tier whatever gear,you know, just doing professions, you'relike wearing yourblacksmithing gear, you know.Yeah. I understand. Like if you're outmining and you're out there and you'remining gear and you're on PPE server,you could get wrecked that way prettyeasily. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.I understand that. But then at the sametime, that could create some interestinglike where you have your guild istogether trying to mine these resources.You have your miners in there and youhave people on theoutside defending the miners.Like it could create some cool. OK,that's actually really cool.I especially like that because let's sayyou're an early level miner.Chances are like if you're anoxious character, you're early levelmining. You're probablymining right outside of noxious.Yeah. Where chances are Democyan is notgoing to come and kill you. Yeah.You know, probably not going to happen.But then if you're like, you know,up at end level like end game contentwhere a lot of late game players arenoxious and Democyan'sare meeting up a lot. Yeah, that's whynow you're going to run some trouble andyou're going to havea lot more noxians with you, too, as wellas the machines. Yeah.That's going to be reallyall fighting over resources in an openworld is so cool. I didn'teven think about that forprofessions. But I was talking aboutwhich I love on garage and that's whyit's a fight over resources.Yeah. Yeah. You're fighting over mobs.The mobs are the resource,the bugs that you're killing.Yeah. Some some alliance players willown, you know, one caveor players on another cave.And though, you know, you'll see a roguecome into one cave andstart killing the little guysand stuff. Start killing alliance playersor players. Same withnoxious and Democyan. Ifthey do that with professions whereyou're fighting overresources, people can be sneakyand start killing each other or betteryet just straight upinvade a whole anotherlike area full of like mining nodes andstuff. Dude, see, butthen you try to you. Everyonetries to like make safe like, oh, butthat's not fun for thatplayer. You know, if he's trying tomind by himself on an afternoon and he'sgetting killed. But it'slike when you when you try tokeep everything safe and everyone like intheir little bubbleprotected and no one's going to getupset, you take away any value like thewhole you take away thevalue of of like the mining nodesof the resource is you're taking away anykind of experience aplayer can have that's not justrunning around clicking on the thing thatyou see in an open field.You know, after a while,I would I would mind for like maybe 30minutes and then I would get insanelybored and then sell allthe stuff that I want to sell and thenlog off. Yeah. Compared toif you have a whole guild likeyou're like, OK, these mining resourcesare going to come uparound this time. We're going toyou start a whole fight over at thebeginning. And then whilethey're mining, you got peopledefending and because they're mining, sothey're in their mininggear, they can't be they're goingto they're going to do like two damagewith their ex-pig. Yeah,exactly. So it's like I mean,like I could always see having likeminers having certainabilities that helps them escapeand stuff like that. Like, like, oh,maybe like as a miner, you have a likelong cooldown that couldgive you a speed boost or lets you dolike a long jump or something with likewith like an explosion.You know, yeah, throw a grenade that likestuns like you're in yourmining gear. So like you havea couple dynamite, you know, yeah, yeah,dynamite have some littlethings and you can get away.Yeah, yeah. So no way to fight, but justa way to do it. Yeah. OK, Ineed to spend this cooldown.But, you know, if I escape now, I'm ableto escape later. Stuff likethat. Dude, I would love that.Oh, and I know I feel like we all right.When we talk about this stuff,we talk so community focused,almost like we're like introvert, like,you know, like we'reagainst introverts playing MMOs.But the truth is we both, especially inthe beginning, we bothplayed pretty introvertedin games like World of Warcraft, MMOs.But when you're forced tointeract with other players,you don't have a choice and you have tocome out of your comfort zone.That's when MMOs become special. Reallylike, trust me, if youare someone who's just like,oh, man, I'm going to have to like dealwith these other players. I'mjust trying to play the game.Trust me, you're notreally playing the game yet.I did so worth it. When you're forcedinto these situations, you'll makeexperiences that are goingto make you come back every day to playthis game. Yeah. And I amintroverted. So yeah, I have tointeract with anyone. I'm not going to.Oh, yeah, that's the way Iam. Like if I don't have to joina guild to get a raid done, I'm not goingto join a guild. Yeah, metoo. If I don't have to be in aPvP guild to get into like somebattlegrounds, whatever, I'm just notgoing to do it. Yeah.I don't need anyone to do my professions.I'm not going to joingroups. And that's just the way Iam. Yeah, exactly. You have to forcethat, but I want to be forcedinto those interactions whereI have to like group up and need help.And I want I want to need aguild. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. LikeI'm not because guess what? It's easierto do things by yourself.If you can do something byyourself, it's easier to do it byyourself. That's why you should not beable to do things by yourself.At least when it comes to stuff like lategame professions, I thinkthat would be so cool. Evenif it's just like, you know, oh, you justhave like like one otherfriend with you and you guyslike take turns like, OK, I'm going tomine for a little bit. Youprotect me like from mobs andother players and then you can go do yourherbalism stuff. You can gopick plants for your alchemyand I'll defend you against mobs andstuff. Just littleinteractions like that because you'rethinking, oh, man, it's going to be somuch slower. It's going to be such awaste of time. But guesswhat? Those resources are not going tolike double in value becausenow they're not easy to get.Yeah. So it's not a waste of time. It'sjust now things are more valuable. Itmakes your time morevaluable. Speaking of value, everythingit has to if you devalue theitems or the currency in thegame, the whole game is the professionsare dead at that point. Yeah. Becauseright now, like let'ssay in WOW, you could you could go outand do herbalism for fivehours. And before you wouldmake something from that, like five hoursof herbalism. No, you'dmake a decent amount. Yeah.But today, because of botting, like allthis value, everything is devalued nowbecause you have botsgoing around just herbalizing everything,devaluing the amount of likethe whole market. Yeah. Thewhole market is divided. Theseincentivize people to do professions atall. And then you devalue theneed for that person in the guild. Yeah.Because now why would I need you? Likepotions are not thatexpensive on the market on the auctionhouse. Yeah. So you needto like you have to controlbotting. Oh, man. All right. All right.Moving on to that topic officially.Bottings, I know thisone's gonna be a big one. Like so manyMMOs have fallen due toaggressive bots, just devaluingeverything because now there's a billionevery type of ore you could ever need.You no longer need togo out and mine it because guess what?It's all in the auction house. You canjust buy it right there.Yeah. And for dirt cheap because there'sso much of it. Even if youwere a miner, you'd save. Itwould be more profitable for you not togo out and mine. Yeah. Andjust buy it on the auction houseand then create it. Create whatever youneed for blacksmithing. Yeah.Compared to before, like youwere it was way more expensive topurchase the ore on the auction housethan it would be to go outand mine it yourself. Absolutely. Oh, butbefore we do completely move on tobotting, because my god,we've talked about botting for very longafter everything we'veexperienced with other MMOs.And I feel like Riot will handle it. Ifeel like Riot, they caretoo much about their games.I feel like they will actually becommunity focused and we'llget the right resources andthe right places to stop botting or atleast bring it down. But Ido have some of what kindof professions you think will beavailable in Runeterra.Yeah. Because I mean, like,luckily for the most part, Runeterra ispretty like a typicalfantasy in terms of, I think,things like professions. I feel likethere will be a blacksmith. You know,there will be an alchemistmaking potions. You know, there will bethat kind of stuff. Ithink even engineering, right,you can probably make some cool likecontraptions. Well, yeah, actually,definitely. There are someyordles that craft some pretty insanecontraptions. Machines arepretty popular in Runeterra. Soengineers are definitely a thing, Ithink. So I wonder if there's anyinteresting professionsthat you think will be available, likespecifically Runeterraflavor. So right now you get so forOrnn, right? Underneath Ornn, there'sthis group, I thinkthey're called the hearth blood.And they're like they were training underOrnn. They're all dead now.But I would love to see likethere's one hearth blood remaining. Andthen he's teaching peoplehow to craft true ice armor orsomething like that. I don't think hereally dealt with true icetoo much. But like Ornn was allabout perfection, like craftingeverything perfectly. And Ithink there's definitely afantasy to that where like you're youdon't you're maybe notlearning directly under Ornn,but one of the last few hearth bloodwho's who's learning who'slearned the lessons of Ornn onhow to craft. And he's teaching you thatright. And then yeah, andthere's others like everywherethere's like that obviously, you know, inPiltover, there's goingto be engineering. Yeah.Alright, with a little real engineering.Okay. Yeah. And then withZaun, you'll have chemtech.So let's get versions of engineering likelike no mission goblinlike you'll be able to likesub spec into what kind of engineeringyou want to do. And they'll give youaccess to more thingsfor that specific like flavor ofengineering. That's reallycool. Oh, I'm glad that's a thingin Runeterra. So yeah, you're gonna havelike different types ofprofessions. Even for likeblacksmithing guy could see someonespecking into something like true iceblacksmithing. Yeah, see,that could be really cool. Becausethere's so many different types of likesimilar professions inRuneterra. I see that. That's reallycool. I would definitely do like somelike yordle specificengineering, you know, where they justhave those insane contraptions of likeGod knows what. Yeah,yeah. And I feel like that's everywhere.Like there's always thoseprofessions that seem tofit in those zones. And then I do thinkyou'll have thefoundational stuff like you I do thinknoxious you're going to have your basicblacksmith and then basicallyblacksmith but there'll be alittle I want them to be a little bitdifferent. Yeah, I agree.Definitely like even if it's justlike, oh, it's the same exact you know,like chest plate. Butlike for noxious, it's justvisually different. Yeah, that's enoughfor me to Yeah, I that'sthat's all I need. And then youknow, like the quest lines are obviouslylike you're talking todifferent characters and youknow, noxious characters are they bettertalk differently than theDemacia blacksmith. Yeah,that dialogue better show the city'scolors. And then honestly, professions,man, professions tieinto everything. Oh, they don't even goesback to servers. So whenyou when you have a server,right now a big problem is sharding. Andsomeone could stand onone node, and then shard todifferent servers and just keep miningthat same node across all the servers.Yeah, that's a problem.Oh, absolutely. That goes back to yourdevaluing the economy ofthat server, because now you'repulling it resources need to be serverspecific, and you should not be able tohop between servers.I do not like sharding at all. Whenyou're starting betweenservers and like, oh, thisservers merge with this server. Well, nowyou're taking all theresources from these servers andlike, now they're all getting thrown allaround. Yeah. So now one server isprobably going to havemore resources than another becausethey're getting pulledin from different players.And maybe the other servers. Yeah,they're mining it for Bree versus thisserver, which now on theactual server, they're fighting over theresources because it's prettycompetitive. Yeah. And sothey're their work is getting devaluedbecause this guy's likegame hack game. You know, yeah,now gaming. It's exploitable. Yeah, he'sexploiting by by server hopping andmining it on a low for low pop server.Yeah, exactly. I think Ithink it's just avoid phasingaltogether. They need like specificservers. I honestly don'tknow how many games do likesharding and phasing. I only know ofwhile specificallybecause I was there when ithappened when they started doing phasingand sharding and stuff.But games like Final Fantasy14 and like RuneScape. I don't know ifthey do that or if theyjust have very specificservers. I don't know. I have no idea. Ionly know. Wow. But yeah,I hope that's not a populartrend with MMOs. And I feel like Riot. Idon't know why I have somuch faith in Riot, dude.They have such a strong track record ofjust making quality products and justknowing what people want. Yeah. Legendsof Runeterra is very much, I think, aquality product. That'splayer first before monetization. Yeah,they just have a popularhistory with that. And they'rejust such a strong company as a whole. SoI don't know. Somehowthey're going to knowmakes things server specific to have walloff servers. So that wayeach world is its own worldwith its own mining nodes and herbs andall of its own resourcesthat are the player base canfight over. I'd go really far with it.Like I understand, let's saysomeone's playing on a serverand you want to play with your friendwho's playing anotherserver and you want to charactertransfer over to that server when youplay with them. I'd go asfar as to say that all theresources in your bank on your characterare gone when you transferbecause I want to present itto the maximum. Like I don't even wantsomeone to go on to a lowpop server, mine everything andthen transfer a character to a high propserver to sell things formore gold. Like I would go thatfar. I want to completely negate it wherethe stuff on this serveris the stuff on this server.And if you want to transfer great, butthere are, you know, you'regoing to lose all your resources.I kind of agree with you. Yeah.Especially because Ithink the Runeterra MMO,regardless of how good it is or anythinglike that, at the verybeginning, it's going to be huge.I think people will care enough if theydo professions right.And if those resourcesreally have some value to them, somestrong value that peopleare fighting over them,people will be annoying enough to exploitthe overlap out of itand literally pay money forserver transfers to like hop betweenservers and mess around with theresources to make easy gold.If an exploit is available, people willexploit it. Yeah. Even if itcosts them money to do servertransfers on their characters, peoplewill do it if the game ispopular enough. And I think it willbe. And if the resources are actuallythat valuable, which Ihope they are. I mean, I thinkI think they'll see the value inprofessions and I can't see a world whereprofessions don't existin an MMO, right? So I like it's likealmost guaranteed. I'mexpecting professions in theright MMO. Be crazy if they don't. Sothen going away fromprofessions a little bit, right? So wehave professions, everyone's got. Andthen you have to have professionsavailable to everyone onthose factions, right? I do think there'sgoing to be some kind offaction divide. At least I hopethere is. I hope there is. I really hopeso. I don't want to seewhere it's just everyone'stogether. I kind of want to see thatsegregation. Like I want tosee if you're from Damacia, likeyou're from the nodes, you don't go intoNoxus. If you're from Noxus,well, you're not going intoDamacia. Yeah, if you're yeah, if you'refrom the Froyard, you're notgoing into Damacia or Noxuseither. You know, I like all of that. Andif you have to divide itup where every single area,I don't see like Ionia, you wouldn't bewelcome in Noxus. But then there areplaces where you wouldbe welcome. Like you can go intoPiltover, you can go into Bilgwater.Yeah. And these congregationhubs. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to see wherelike you kind of dohave to choose a side.Me too. And it's not that you can't gointo Noxus if you'reDamacian, it's just expect a fight.Yeah, you can go in. You can you betterhave like a group with you and you'reprobably going to getattacked by guards and everything. Yeah.So like, you know, awesomethings will happen. It createsso many cool interactions. And just Ithink factions are one ofthe most genius things everbecause it forces like it forcescommunity interaction in waysthat can't happen otherwise.Yeah, you can't be someone in Zaun andmake your way up and just start walkingaround and Piltover.Yeah, exactly. Like, it makes the worldfeel so much more likeplayer driven in a way, you know,like me as an oxian, I will fight you ifyou're Damacian and you'rea Noxus. Heck yeah. Like,you better look at Noxus and not think,oh, it's dangerous because,you know, like whatever. It'sjust it's the Noxus place. You betterthink it's dangerous becauseI'm going to kick your ass ifyou go in there. Yeah. And I'm not sayingthat you should just I'm noteven saying that it needs tobe two factions. Right. One thing that Ireally liked, I know I goback to WoW a lot becausethat's the MMO that I played the most.Yeah. In Legion, I reallylike the order hall system.We're OK. Everyone had their separateorder hall. Like, OK, we're all thisgroup and we're all thisgroup and we're all this group. But atthe same time, we're allworking together to accomplishlike a particular goal. So you can beNoxus and Damacia and youcould still meet together incertain areas. And for example, like in araid when you're trying to accomplishsomething, the worldfocused. Then, yeah, you can be a part ofthat group. By the sametime, it's a temporary alliance,like even a paladin and a priest in inWorld of Warcraft are verydifferent. And they'll worktogether. But at the same time, they'renot they're not welcoming toeach other in terms of orderhalls because they're all very different.Yeah, they still have different beliefs,different customs, different culture. Andthat is expressed so well.And I think Legion, especiallyLegion, an expansion like what was itlike 20 2016 was was Legion. I don'tknow. It feels like foreverOh my God. Honestly, it doesn't to me.But but Legion, yeah, it wassuch a great expansion becausethat that was another form of likecharacter identity. Right.I was I have just you eitherhoarder your alliance. Yeah. Now you'reyour class. And not tomention Legion being such a bigexpansion because the Burning Legion wasthe big bad of World ofWarcraft for a very long time.This infinite army of space invaders, youknow, coming todestroy everything we all do.And it's equivalent to the Watchers.Yeah, exactly. And sothat's why another reason whyclass order halls were so good is becausethey show that everyone ishere and doing something.You know, I feel like I talked about thisa little bit last week.I don't want things tobecome irrelevant. All right. I don'twant Noxus andDemacia to just become one,like ambiguous force of good injusticefor whatever the heckthe current threat is.All right. The paladins were doingsomething. The demon hunters were doingsomething. The deathknights were doing something. We're alldoing something in ourown way, our own special,you know, class way of fighting off thisbig threat. So when, youknow, like Aurelion Solinevitably starts threatening Runeterra,even though we probablycan't stop him. I don't thinkthere's any way in heck we're going tostop him. We better see,you know, Noxus doing its ownthing in its own special Noxus waythat'll help defend against him. Samewith Zaun and their own,you know, crazy street thug way. Yeah, Iwant to see all that.Why did I just picture like an army onthe left and then abunch of like chemicals.Yeah, a bunch of like, a bunchof little kids with crowbars.That's what it should be. It's like,yeah, not our planet,punk. Like, I still want all thesecharacters to to be there and to bethemselves. That's whatconcerns me. Like later on, you know, Ihope they don't go down thethe final fantasy 14 route orthe World of Warcraft route where all thecharacters just kind of sitin the back and watch it allhappen. That choice needs to feelmeaningful. Like at the very beginning,you need to choose yourzone, you know, where you're going to be,what kind of groupyou're going to be a part of.Are you going to be Freljordian? Are yougoing to be a Zaunite,Ashuriman, an Istal, whatever.And then based on that, that's going tonarrow down what classes you can be to.Yeah. And I don't think everyone shouldbe everything. Yeah, totally.I really don't like. So my favorite classin WoW was a druid. Ireally don't like that.Everyone's a frickin druid now. Yeah,everyone can just turn intoanimals and be in tune withnature. And like, no, if if goblins canever be druids, there'ssomething wrong there. Yeah.That's a problem. I would hate that.Goblins better never bedruids. Goblins love money.They don't love nature. Yeah. They cutdown trees all the time for money.Exactly. So yeah, like, like in Shurima,you should be like asandcaster or whatever it'scalled. I always forget the name, butsome kind of sand mage. Oh,yeah. But you shouldn't be ableto be a sand mage in Freljord. Yeah,totally. Heck no. Oh, but Iwant to be a fruit. It doesn'tmatter what you want. Like you can't.Runeterra says no. Yeah.Because you want to be a goblindruid doesn't mean you should be able tobe a goblin druid. Yeah,exactly. I understand yourclass fantasy, like your choice. I getit. Yeah, you can like RP isthat. But like, you know, Idon't want to see it because it's goingto weird me out. It's going to throw meoff. Yeah. All right.Like it just won't make sense to me. I'dbe like, oh, okay. Yeah,this is just a quality of lifething, I guess they're just kind of doingwhatever with the game now.You know what I think about youknow, Incredibles, right? When when hetakes up the baby and he throws thatline, one of the bestvillain lines ever. And yeah, one of thebest villain lines in anymovie ever, he says. And wheneveryone suits me, no one will be. Yeah.Yeah. I'll sell my inventionswhenever. No, that's so true.That's so true for MMOs. Actually,though. Yeah. Like wheneveryone can be everything,it's no longer special to be anything. Mmhmm. When that's very true.Yeah. When everyone can bethe exact same class, doing the exactsame things, being from anywhere. Itdoesn't matter where you'refrom. Yeah. It doesn't matter if you'refrom Targon or you're from Ionia, ifyou're from Bilgewater.Doesn't matter if you're a Vastaya or aYordle, like everyone canbe everything. It's just themodel that you're looking at. Yeah.That's so sad. Yeah. It'sabsolutely like a world and startsfeeling like a video game. World has tocome even before the player.I agree. The player will enjoythe game more if the world is moreimportant than him or her. I completelyagree. Yeah. Like I likeRachel's. Oh yeah, me too. Because you'rethis race, you have this kindof this. Yeah, you have thisextra ability. Yeah. Yeah. And thatshould come even before balancing oranything that should besomething that comes first. That's what Imean by the world shouldcome before the player.Completely agree. That will serve for thelongevity of the gamemuch more than servingand catering to the every player's womenneed. Because guess what?If the world starts bendingto my will, I'm going to get bored realquick. I am no longer exploring thisstrange, vast environment.I'm now just going from point A to pointB because it's very easy to do and verysimple thanks to thedevelopers. Yeah. Okay. I'm done. I'mlogging off. You need to be jealous.Yeah. Yeah. You needto be envious of the guy above you. Youneed to just. And thatguy's going to be jealous of youbecause you have things that he can do.And you need to be jealous of otherpeople like, oh man,you know, I wish I could do that. But atthe same time, I can dothis. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh,I completely agree. Yeah. Everythingneeds to be at least a little bitchallenging. Otherwise,why am I logging on? What am I trying toaccomplish? You know,and that goes back toPVP. Right. PVP is a big P is my favoritething to do. So evenin World of Warcraft,that's really all I would do mostly isPVP. I would rate, but myfavorite thing was, was PVP.And I understand there's balancing andstuff that has tohappen. But at the same time,homogenization is never the solution tobalancing completely. Like, but justbecause one class canstun doesn't mean every class needs astun. Just because one classcan kick doesn't mean everyclass needs a kick. Yeah. And now itfeels like everyone has everything.Everyone's got like aninvincibility because at the beginning inclassic, you know, the pally bubble wasvery envied. Everyonewanted the pally bubble. Like, wow, thisguy's just freakingimmune. Yeah. Everything. Now awarrior can freaking throw something andpop the pally bubble wheneveryone's got an immune. Yeah.Everyone has something that makes theminvincible for a time. Yeah.Yeah. Well, guess what?Pally's couldn't talk back then.Exactly. Everyone's got everyone had astrength and a weakness.Yeah, dude. Yeah. Everyone wanted whateveryone else had. And that was great.Pally's could not taunt. Yeah, that wasstupid. That was stupid.I'm going to be honest.Kind of unplayable. Certain things, ofcourse, you know, every, every tank needsto be able to taunt.But for most stuff, no. Oh, man. I hopeAgro's a thing in the game. Better be.So I want to know whatyou think about this, too.So moving away from everything, exceptthere's the game. It's done. Whatever.Monetization. Oh, boy. All right. So Iguess a very importantquestion right off the bat.Do you think the game should be free toplay? I would prefer thatit wasn't. But I think thatit will be. I think it will be, too. Imean, honestly, onething I kind of like aboutsubscriptions, other than the fact that amonthly subscriptiondrives off a lot of players,every single person I've ever talked towho doesn't play well,but is at least a little bitinterested in it, we'll say two things.One, there's way too muchstuff in the game. I'll nevercatch up, even though it's really, reallyeasy to catch up. They justthink it's a 20 year old game.They delete everything. Yeah. And thesecond thing is thisgame costs $15 a month.How the heck is the most expensive gameever? And it is. Yeah. We didn't talkabout box price yet.Okay, go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.Yeah. But also the boxprice. But the thing about that,about a subscription, is that now theycan't just sell you on the latestexpansion. They can't justsell you on on like, you know, oh, whatthe game is going to be likein a year. Here's all the newfeatures and stuff. Here's what we'regoing to promise. So youcan buy the game. Now they cancontinue to sell you on it even after thegame is already released.Every single month, you have tohave a reason to play. You know, eveneven even if they expectyou to not always be playing,they need a reason to keep bringing youback. Yeah. Right. Sothat's just like, it's not just,oh, here's the expansion. You bought it.Okay, we did it. Yeah, wegot we got your money. It's GG.Yeah, exactly. Come back for the NexusPantry. We also promise lotsof cool stuff in two years.Now, like a subscription, you're you'remaking a promise to themthat, yeah, the game is worthplaying this month. You know, so I kindof like thesubscription model in that sense.Yeah, me too. I really like this missionmodel too, because of even though thisdoesn't seem to deterBlizzard. Yeah, it should. Okay, ifsomeone is paying a subscription,everything that's greatshould be earnable in the game. And oh,yeah, I really hate thestore. And if we do play game isgoing to make it where of course, youknow, you have to make money somehowgreat. There's going toI can the easiest way for them to makemoney on MMO that's free to play istransmog in the store.And I hate transmog passion because Ifeel like it ruins the gamein a lot of in a lot of ways.And it makes the game feel prettyuniform. Now everyone's just you don'tknow who's who's greatand who's not like you want to be able towalk into the city like inclassic. When you walk intoa city, you can immediately tell Wow,this guy's amazing. And wow,this guy's trash. Yeah, today,you can walk into a city and a guy couldlook amazing. And if youinspect him, he's wearinghe's not even like he's having a caplevel. He's not even kept.This guy looks like he's a godkiller, but he's not even kept level.We're like the site offreaking yeah, Argus on his back,you know, but I think that stuff shouldphase out, you know, okay, you know,yeah, I agree for thatexpansion. Yeah, that's over thatexpansion. That was so last year. Yeah,you're like you can putthis cool stuff in your bank for thememory. Oh, yeah, you keep this guy.Yeah, awesome. Yeah. Andguess what? For RP, you can still havethat site. Yeah, about whenyou're being and that's going tobe awesome. But thanks. Yeah, but itshouldn't carry for I really don't liketransmog. It's like oneof my, my least favorite things, eventhough I do feel like it's going tohappen in this game, becauseI think so too. Yeah, transmog is justit's too profitable,especially if they go free to play.The only way I could see transmog nothappening is with asubscription service where it's like,okay, they're making enough money, justmake everythingearnable in game. And then witha subscription service, it makes moresense to not includetransmog because now they're moreincentivized to keep going. Yeah, like tomake their character lookgreat. Yeah, by the way,transmog, if it's not obvious by now isjust, you will have certainstats tied to it. And obviouslyyour appearance, you know, you'll haveyour appearance and yourstats, all your gear, youcan just make your gear look like anyother piece of gear that you've everunlocked or ever equipped.Yeah. And it'll still have those stats onit of, you know, like of your latestpiece of gear. Yeah,so you could be in complete trash gear,but then you can go back tothe previous expansions rate,which is a lot easier now because you'reobviously much higher leveland you have a lot more basestats. So you can run in there and justone shot bosses. Yeah. Andso you can go back to the ratefrom the previous expansion and get likethe top tier gear thatlooks awesome. And then justtransmog your garbage gear to look likethe best gear from the previousexpansion. Yeah. And theneveryone will know any better. Like whatif you just like that,that look. And so maybe you'refreaking in the mythic radar from thisexpansion, but you just liketo look from the last expansion.No one will know. Yeah. How would theyknow you're going to look allglowy and cool and you didn'teven complete the raid. Yeah. You justran through it and one touchedeverything. Yeah. Years after.Ah, it's such a shame. And yeah, youliterally you won't know if somebody'sgeared out really likehard, like on the latest raid becausethey're probablytransmogged out of it. Yeah. And youdon't even get a, I understand like, youknow, you don't want tokeep everything in your bank.Yeah. They could do a separate thingwhere like you can put your gear intothis thing that holdsthe appearance for you and you couldtransmog anything from theprevious. Like you can weargear from the previous expansion andtransmog that to whateverthey've already acquired. But thecurrent expansion that gear should not betransmogable. Oh, thatcould be cool. Yes. Youcould just have like one set of gear thatyou could change theappearance of from like whatever,from some old expansion or even just havelike specifically cosmeticgear. Yeah. It's just calledcosmetic gear. You can put it on. It haslike no debts. Yeah. Youcan equip all the appearancesthat you got before and that'll stillincentivize people to collectall those appearances. Yeah.You know, you could, you still want themin your tabs and you can,you could transmog them whileyou're walking around the hub city toshow off. But I do thinkthat once the expansion ends,that appearance should be no longeravailable. Like in PvP, those,once you, so in PvP, in Worldof Warcraft, you have to hit like certainranks to unlock thoseappearances. And once that PvPseason is done, those appearances aregone. The high end ones do. And that'show it should be. Likeright now, for some reason in World ofWarcraft, like heroic andmythic raiders, you can go backand get the mythic raid set. Oh, usuallyI'm like, well, as a drain or yeah,nothing. You should notbe able to do that. I agree. So thoseappearances should be lockedand they should, and nothingshould carry forward to the currentexpansion. Those appearance like that,that expansion gear,the current expansion gear should not betransmogable. Icompletely agree. That's definitelya hot take. I will once again say we werein the minority on that forsure. I say that crazy FOMO,you know, people are like, Oh, likethat's so annoying. Peoplestill complain about Mage Towerto this day. That's stupid. And Icompletely agree. No onewants to bear more than me. Okay.Yeah. Yeah. Because well, I don't thinkyou were not. Yeah. Because like youconstantly feel likeyou are not a good enough druid at thattime to be able to completethe Mage Tower. And that'scool. I genuinely like that feelingbecause guess what? Next time some kindof challenge like thatcomes up, you're not going to miss it.Yeah. I'm going to be readyand I'm going to log on. Guesswhat? Now I have a reason to log ontoday. That's, that's really matters.That's really important.And it's not just about the, like, I feellike people put a lot ofintrinsic value on appearances,like purely, it just looks cool. So theywant it and they don't think anythingpast that. They don'tthink about the actual value behind thatand why it looks cool. You know, ifeveryone, everyone'ssuper, nobody, no one will be thegreatest line. Literally. If everyonelooks cool, no one withoutany effort, no one looks cool. Yeah. Whenyou have like a level 40running around in tier set and hejust looks crazy. Yeah, exactly. And nowguess what? That guy whoactually has the most recent tierset from the raid means absolutelynothing. Yeah. It does not look cool inthe slightest. I'm not evengoing to recognize at first glance, thatguy could literally be inthe same gear as you. He justchanged the look of it because he prefersthe other look. In fact, he could be ahigher, he could be inmythic gear. Yeah. And you could be inheroic set for that expansionand no one will know if thatguy's even better than you or not. Butyeah, it should be at first. I shouldwalk into a city andimmediately know who's a badass and who'sa neckbeard and who isn't.Exactly. Yeah. Dude. Hey,if you want to like transmog in a singleplayer RPG, go for it.More power to you. This is anMMO though. All right. I want to seeplayers with real value to them. I wantpeople to identify apiece of gear just by looking at itbecause that piece of gear has value.That's such an importantthing to me, actually. One thing I willsay, so I know that theywant to go free to play. Okay. Iget it. I think it's going to be free toplay for sure. But I think you'll stillhave that. You mightstill have that box price, right? For theaction. If they do it yearly, right?Instead of like everythree years, every year, a box price,maybe that'll be enough toremove the store a little bit.Maybe. But I do think there's going to bea store. Yeah. Like you gotthis is riot. And I don't thinkthey make as much money off of anythingas they do with skins andLeague of Life. Yeah. That's why Ithink there's going to be skins and it'sgoing to be what I mean.I'm not going to be like superdisheartened because I'm alreadyexpecting it. And I already am prettyconfident that the game'sgoing to come out. There's going to be atransmog. Yeah. Which is you changingyour looks. And there'sgoing to be a store where you can buygear and if there's goingto be cool gear in the gameand cool gear in the store and everyonewill know that you'rewearing store bought gear becausethat's another thing. Okay. If you'regoing to do a store and you're going tohave gear in the store,it should not be unlockable in the game.Let me tell you why. Oh,wow. Okay. Let me tell you why.Because if you make it unlockable in thegame, then it becomes younever then the person peoplein game are trying to unlock it. Now thevalue is tied to it. And nowpeople will never know if youunlocked it in the game or in the store.People will buy it in thestore and claim they came toin the game. They got it in the game andthey like now it makes itjust like it kind of muddies thewater. Like I should know that you justbought that in the storeimmediately. Yeah. And that'sit. Like you bought it from the store. Itis what it is. And you'rewearing store gear and that's athere's no problem with it. Okay. I'm notgoing to do, I'm not going to like sayanything or whatever.Yeah. But it should be the store is thestore. And if that'sthe, if you go and buy gear,then you go, you went and bought gear,but it should definitelyshould not be a recolor ofanything close to like tier gear and thegear that you earn fromlike heroic grade or mythicgrade or whatever should be the bestlooking gear. Yeah. And ifthey, if the store gear startslooking better than that gear, that's aproblem. Yeah. Oh, very much. Ifanything, please, if I'mpretty confident that the other will besome skins you can buy, you know, justsome like gear for likeflavor that you can buy off the store, atleast just let it be likeRP gear. Please like just,just let it be like, Oh, you're a, you'relike a freaking battlemage from Shurima. All right.That's, that's your, that's your RP gearfrom the store. So you canwear it and look like you'refrom Shurima as a mage when you're doingyour RP. There's otherstuff too. Like I don't, okay,you can have a store, but it doesn't haveto be gear. You can dolike pets and stuff, you know,or something like that. Yeah. And Iunderstand. I think that thosewon't make as money as like amount. No, I won't. But maybe, I mean,we're, we're focusing onwhat's available in WoW. Perhapsthere'll be something else available inthis game where it's like, you know,okay, when you're onyour flight path, now it's a differentmount kind of thing, orlike it's a little upgradedwhen you're flying between the cities. Idon't know. They couldsell stuff like that. I justwant to make it's a tough balance. Andthat's why I prefer tosimplify and just say, it's not freeto play. They're the dream. This is thedream guys. Yeah, in reality, this is notgoing to happen. Okay.Let's be honest with each other. I'mgoing to be honest with you right now.It's not going to happen.No, no. The dream is it's not free toplay. It's a subscriptionmodel. And the box price,and there's no store. That's the ideal. Iwant to buy the content. Idon't want to be lured intobuying stuff to make my character lookcooler. What's going tohappen is it's going to be freeto play. There's going to be a store withgear and, and, uh, definitelyshould not have any stats onit. Heck, that would be, then I'm notplaying. Yeah. As much asI'm excited for it, uh, I wouldnot play the game if that happened. Yeah,I don't think Raya would dothat, but I do think they willput a store in with gear. Yeah. I'm very,I'm very confident they'renot going to do that. Yeah.That's, that's an easy game killer. Yeah.Like I, you can look at the MMO audiencefor like maybe like two minutes ofresearch to realize, okay,let's not tie power to money.Yeah. Yeah. Definitely should not be ableto buy gold in the, inthe store. Oh God. And, uh,don't use the excuse that it's because ofthe Chinese bot farmers.We don't want you to haveto purchase your gold from some shadywebsite. So we're just goingto sell it to you. Oh my God.That doesn't, that does not suffice. Youneed to deal with theproblem, which is the botting.Yeah. Fix the economy, not capitalize onthe failure of theeconomy. Seriously. Oh man.Yeah. By the way. Yeah. I'd reallyappreciate it if they wouldhire like dedicated communitymanagers in game masters. My God. Yes.What a transition. What atransition. Yes. You need gameman. You need game masters people. Causeif you had one game master on everyserver, uh, in classic,just one, they could clean up that serverin a week. Easy. Likethat would legit eliminatebotting. I'm not serious because it's,it's so, as a player,when you're in classic, wow,it's so easy to just pull up a menu and,um, type in who's in, who's in this zone,AKA the zone where it's easiest to farmgold. And you're going to finda billion people that are alllike, like almost cap level that are allthe same. Yeah. That areall the same class, same race,slightly variations of the same name.They don't even try. Yeah. No, like it'sso easy to find bots.One GM in each server would be enough.Bot one, three, seven, eight, caverns,but one, three, seven, nine, waiting incaverns. So you don't needto try. No, that's why I likeliterally dude GM's add so much to thegame too. Like just, youknow, being able to like write aticket, like, Hey, I'm stuck. And then aGM just magically likeappears in front of you. Like, oh,oh my God, save me. Yeah. Like, like whenGM's appear in the game,I think that's so magical.Like obviously it's a little likeimmersion breaking, butit's still just like, wow,the all powerful being doesn't have to beimmersion breaking. Theycould be from the spirit realm.If they were GM's into the lower, thatwould be the coolest thingever. Yes. Oh my God. That'sif they have GM's. I mean, like, I don'tknow if GM's are even likereally a thing in most ofthem. Most these days. No, not that Iknow of. I don't think finalfantasy 14 has GM's. You don'treally see that, but they also don't havebotting issues as far as Iknow. I never saw any complaintsabout such a thing. They probably have. Imean, it's not hard todetect a bot. Yeah, even justlike automatically. Yeah, it's beenpretty easy. I feel like todetect a bot. Maybe now it's alittle bit harder than before. Who knows?But at the end of the day,it's going to keep doing thesame thing over and over again. It shouldbe catchable. Likethis guy's been in whalingcaverns, killing these creeps for 20hours. Let's just take a look. Yeah,yeah. Let's just see,you know, let's let's let's pick thecharacter up and move him and see whathappens. Or let's justgo down and like try to talk to him. Likeif he sees a spirit goddescending from the sky,he should probably react. Yeah, he didn'treact. Let's just try totalk to him and see if he talksto us. He's not even talking to us. I amliterally a giant titan infront of him. Well, okay. I knowhe's using all of his abilities on thefirst available framethat he can use them. Wow.He's only using one ability. That's abot. See, that's a GMthough. That's what a GM. Yeah,that is what GMs do. Like you have thebotting system to catchall the obvious bots and youhave the GMs to kind of do cleanup. Yeah,yeah. Like you probablydon't need as many GMs as Worldof Warcraft needed in 2005. Right. Butyou still need them. Istill think you need that humanelement of people who are there to likesettle whatever the heck'sgoing on in the game withplayers and with bots. It goes a verylong way for the communityas a whole. It helps so muchfor the longevity of the game. Yep. Oh,we've been talking about like theleveling up experienceprofessions, like the progression ofprofessions. Yeah, let's go back toprofessions. Let's talkabout the level up experienceprofessions. Yeah, let's see it. Sowhat's your idea? So World ofWarcraft and how am I see 14 or the twomost popular ways Ibelieve to do professions. Worldof Warcraft, you're doing your professionas you do your class,right? As you're questing throughthe world, professions are a piece oflike side content that you're doingessentially. It's someextra bonus stuff you get to do for someextra rewards. Yeah. Foundmy AC 14. Like I said earlier,it's its own avenue of content. You'reshowing up at level one,you're doing a dedicatedquest line with cut scenes and everythingfor professions. Yeah. Oh,wow. Yeah. Right. I thinkit's very interesting. I think it's areally cool twist on professions forsure. But I don't know. Imean, I guess with like the whole gearthing, I do like the idea of having gearas a minor and stuff.I think in that case, it makes more sensefor it to be a dedicatedquest line that you follow,you know, like as a noxious player,you're crafting stuff for for NPCs, youknow, that sort of deal.Yeah. And you have to go out there aroundnoxious in mine, get all collect allthese nodes and craftwhatever blacksmith sword you need forthe noxious soldiers, you know, and thatfollows its own storywith its own character. And that soundsamazing. Yeah. Right. Ireally like the way I see 14 doesit, especially if you're going with thegear route, because likeif you're doing it the Worldof Warcraft way, you can't really, youknow, you're not going to be switchingbetween your warriorlike gear and your mining gearconstantly. I think that would just beannoying. Right. I definitelydon't have the mining gear at that point.Yeah. Yeah. It professionsshould be their own dedicatedavenue at that point. And I kind of likethat. It's it's weird. Imean, with Riot, there's so manydifferent ways they can go with it,especially in Runeterra. You canprofessions are still prettyup in the air. I feel, you know, a lot ofplaces. Yeah. I mean,there's definitely those ones likeI was just talking about with the hearthblood and Froyard. Yeah. You know,working under Orrin,I think that's an obvious one. Anoxysblacksmith, I feel like isan obvious one. And I only inherbalist is an obvious one. Mm hmm.Maybe in Bilgewater, like aBuhru. Like, you know, they'remaking like almost like an alchemist, buta variation of thatthat's more tribal and likespiritual kind of thing. Yeah, I candefinitely see thoseprofessions coming about. I just like,I want to see isolation and then likeuniqueness. And at the sametime, like, I don't know if I gotoo far with that. Like that alchemistspecialist is like, you have to be aBilgewater to be ableto do it. It's crazy. I still thinkthat's so cool. Yeah. But again, GarifI find the minority on that. I do alsothink it's cool that differentcombinations of things like, you know,like obviously like a warrior blacksmithmakes a lot of sense to me crafting yourown gear and stuff. Mm hmm. I still thinkbeing a warrior engineer is really cooltoo. Yeah. You know, because then maybeyou can compensate forthings you otherwise can't do as awarrior. See, I pilt over is pretty inthe Piltover and like Zahn and Bilgewaterand these places. So Piltover and Zahnare the engineers, you know, and I feellike they're very accepting. Like they'rekind of a melting pot. They're very muchthe middle of the world and everyone kindof passes through it to go north orpasses through it to go south. And that'swhere all the trade is done. So it'salmost a mixing pot. So I can definitelysee you being a warrior from Damacy orNoxus, but an engineer fromPiltover at the same time.Yeah, I agree. I definitely see thepotential there because, yeah, I thinkclass profession combinations can makefor really cool stuff. It adds adds morepersonalization to your character. Itmakes them feel more like your characterinstead of just a warrior. Yeah. But alsofor like expansions and stuff, becauseobviously expansions are inevitable. I dohope that professions like not onlyprogress with the like with theexpansion, obviously, like new new thingsto do with your profession.Also, I hope the old stuff still stayskind of relevant in terms of what youcould make back then. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,I think for a blacksmith, it's thehardest because you're just craftinggear. So obviously, you're going to becrafting better gearin the next expansion.But that's one thing I think World ofWarcraft does pretty good with thisengineering profession. Right. Really? Asan engineer, I'm always I'm always aWorld War Two Draenor to make more goblingliders because goblin gliders are great.They let you, you know, glide across kindof like like like Lynxparaglider wilds like that.It's insanely valuable to be able totraverse through, you know, like theworld using goblin gliders. And that'sfrom like 10 years ago now. Yeah. So Ilike that. Yeah. Right. So I hope that'ssomething that Riot considers. I thinkRiot is definitely keeping an eye oncurrent MMOs and what works and whatdoesn't. At least this late in the MMOgame. Because how it's so crazy.I'm also seeing this resurgence now.Yeah. I feel like they can actually lookback at this kind of thing. Yeah. Andlike, you know, obviously, Amazon withtheir MMOs and now Riot with their MMO.This feels like a whole new era of MMOswhere now they can actually look back onthis stuff and see whatworked and what didn't.Because every, you know, like WOW andRuneScape, that kind of stuff, like theywere really just wild west. Same likeLord of the Rings Online, Star Wars, theOld Republic. That was just they werejust figuring stuff out as they go. Yeah.It was just shooting shots in the dark.Yeah, exactly. So now I hope Riot canlook at stuff like these professions andbe like, oh wow, engineering was a reallypopular profession in World of Warcraft.You know, I'm sure a lot of guys on theRiot team, a lot of guys on the Riot teamhave probably played World of Warcraft.Yeah. Be crazy if they didn't. Yeah. I'msure they have. Yeah.So I'm sure they experienced professionsin World of Warcraft or in File of AC 14and are like, oh, this works really wellfor this profession.You know, this is a really cool idea thatadds longevity and adds value even inexpansions later on. You know, so I'mhoping they see thatstuff and capitalize on it.Well, stuff like Blacksmithing, like Isaid, will be a bit tougher. I don't knowhow they're going to do stuff like that.One thing I will say as well aboutprofessions is that I think professionsshould definitely be relevant the wholeway while you're leveling up.Like it should. Oh, yeah, it should makeyou you should if you're a blacksmithwant to mine so you can go back and craftthat sword or that shield or that chestpiece to make yourself stronger.Say leveling becomes easier. If you're analchemist, you should want to gatherthose herbs so you can make that healthpotion or that whatever thorns potion orsomething that will makeleveling easier or make you better.Or next time you go into that dungeon,you can be like, hey, guys, I craftedthese. These willhelp us in this dungeon.Yeah. To do that, content needs to bedifficult. Oh, yeah.I agree very much.I mean, classical had adifficulty down pat, right?Where you can you can getthrough without professions.It's just going to be slower and probablygoing to die more. Yeah.But you can do it.It's also just going to be as fun.You know, I'm going to feel asaccomplished when you do things.You're not going to have that thatbuildup of I'm prepared for this.You know, I've been training to kill thislike this free level 12 goblin NPC, thisboss in the middle of Durotar.All right. Got my potions.I got I got thesharpening stone from my friend.Yeah. That that's a weapon.Do more damage from my blacksmith buddy.We're ready. And when you kill thatgoblin, it's going to feel amazing.It should feel different.It should feel like you are you areactually stronger from all this.This extra work that you did.Yeah.Inside the city, you know, working withyour friends to exchange stuff,you know, giving them some potions orsomething like that.And they're giving youarmor or sharpening stones.Like that's where the group effect isfelt even while you're leveling.Yeah. We're saying professions are sovaluable because of group content.That's individual.So you can do that on your own.You can verbalize on your own.You can blacksmith onyour own grouping up.Like I hope to see some of some of thestuff similar to whatwe were talking aboutearlier with the group to you know, thatare a bit more competitiveand people are fighting over them.Yeah. But then you come.You use that to help your friends andthey're using theirprofessions to help you.Yeah. And that's what solo content shouldbe for other players.Yeah. But if anyone can do everything,then it's pointless.Yeah, I completely agree.But then there's also that conflict oflike, I don't know if I see 14.I do. I love like my mining andblacksmithing profession.But at the same time, I didn't start ituntil way later. Right.That's an issue because I was likealready way past it.And it requires time dedicatedspecifically to that professioninstead of like, say World of Warcraft asyou're leveling up your warrior,you're leveling up yourblacksmithing simultaneously.Right. You're doing bothof them at the same time.I like that more. I don't know.There's definitely pros and cons to it.I think overall, if they really go hardon community driven like MMO,I will like I hope theydo with the right MMO.I do see the specific quest line as aminor being more valuablebecause then, you know, you have thatlike I need buddies with me.What if it's a combination?Like, so you're you're leveling up yourmining while you'redoing out in the world.But then there's also this quest line,you know, that you have to go throughwith other miners, you know, you gettogether something like that to do this.This and it and it's how youyou can just go through mining.But this will make maybe your mining andyou'll be able to mine in certain areaslike to be able to mine in cold areas,something like that.So like, I don't know how the FinalFantasy stuff works,but is there a way to combinethem that you've played both?Is there a way to mesh them togetherwhere you get the bestof both worlds or no?No, really, no. It's very much you'reeither you're either in minor modeor you are in, you know,like your your main class modewhere, you know, you're going through themain storyline of the gameas one of your fighting classes.So if you're doing the mining quest line,you're mining. Yeah.You're not fighting anything.You're not you includethat thing like, I mean, maybebecause I it all depends on how malleablethey would want to make it.Right. Like how how howmuch does riot want to mesh?You know, your blacksmith with yourwarrior, how easilyinterchangeable are they?You know, I mean, canyou change on the fly?Can you just instantlygo into your warrior mode?Then I mean, then there's really no needto have people protecting you.No, no, I hope it's thecase. Yeah, it can be.I liked your idea of whereyou're in your mining mode,but you have this defensive ability.Yeah. Like dynamite.You can throw that and stun someone.So you have a chance of getting away.Yeah. You can land these dynamite hits.Yeah. And they're like long cooldowns.So, like, you know, you can't evadeforever, but you can evade. Yeah.I don't know.I still think I like the FinalFantasy 14 route more. Really?OK, I want to play.I should play Final Fantasy 14 just tohave an idea of how this works.It's it's really cool.I will say because eventhough I was way behind the miningcompared to my main class, so like thegear I was making waspretty much worthless.So I was way behind.But I still just enjoyed the quest lineand I still just enjoyed the content.The only problem with my working is thatit's just very, very single player.And the most single player you can play.That's the only reason whyI personally prefer. Wow.But there's so many good things about myup on my 14 that I really hope.I'm sure I'm actually positive the rightteam has looked at Final Fantasy 14.Right. They're they're chugging crazynumbers and for good reason.It's still a great MMO.They should not reinvent the wheel.And I get this stufflike take what's goodand create new stuff to add to it or ortweak some things to make them better.But when it comes to certain things, likewe talked about the Holy Trinitylast time, which isthe healer DPS and tank.Like, I feel like that really works.I like that and that youfeel like you're a team.I don't think that means to be you don'tneed to reinvent the wheeland that kind ofstuff like certain stuff.You feel comfortable reusing that andtaking and putting into the gameinstead of trying to make not don't makeeverything different.Not everything needs to be different.Yeah, dude.I mean, like I'm always secretly hopingdeep down that riot becomes the nextblizzard because blizzard. So, dude,please, please riot.We need another blizzard and blizzardsaren't going to be blizzards.So take us to the froy or please.But blizzard always did.They blizzard never made anything new.Now, they just made whatwas out really, really good.They made the best ofwhat was already out.Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm not afraid totake new idea or to take ideasfrom other games, but they took thoseideas and made them better.They improved on them.And that's what I think right is in theperfect position to do right nowbecause these other MMOs, they've beenout for a long time.All right. They are very established.They have tried a lotof different things.And they've made mistakes that like thatyou can't really you can't undo.I think wow, specifically, wow,especially they madeso many things they can.They can't redo the faction war. Right.The faction war isdone forever at the end.We can't be at war anymore.It makes me very sad.They will never take away the wow token.Yeah, they can't take away the entirestore, the entire blizzard stores now.There, whether people like it or not.And like just the wholehomogenization of factions.I just hate it. Yeah, you can't go back.Everyone's immune now.Everyone has an immune.You can't take those away.Yeah, exactly. That would be horrible.I would like I would hate that, too,because it's like, oh, my God.Now my warrior is just worse.Yeah, weaker now.Once you give playerspower, you can't take that away.Yeah. And that's a very, very like youcan't be a tight lines or walk, you know.And once you're a champion,you can't not be a champion.Yeah. Once you save the world, that's it.You're now on worldsaving level. Yeah. Right.So I just hope I hope Riot has learnedall of these lessons that every other MMOhas had to learn thehard way and can't undo.Like this is their chance.This is the perfect time. Yeah.So we'll see what Riot does, man.OK, so we're going to talk more about allof this stuff next time.I want to go into professions a littlemore and leveling a little moreand talk about maybe the different areaswhere you're going to go toand how you'd level there.And we didn't we actually didn't touchreally on character creation,which we were supposed totouch on at the beginning.And oh, yeah, likehow we're going to mesh.If you're starting from Froyo or you'restarting from where you're starting fromand how that affects your yourprogression at the beginning.But I definitely want totalk about those next time.I do hope you enjoyed this episode.So we'll continue this conversation inthe next one right herein the Brazen Hydra pub in Bilgewater.You can find me at Engroveon socials and YouTube andoh, you'll find me atConQuest 95 on Twitter.And also you can follow us together atthe Brazen Hydra on Twitteror you can head to theBrazen Hydra dot com.And on Twitter, feel freeto throw anything at us.A Q&A story suggestions, anything youwant us to talk about on the show.We may talk through those as well.Thanks for stopping by andwe'll see you in the next one.

The Brazen Hydra

#4 - Riot MMO Professions | In Game Store | Transmog | Factions

The Brazen Hydra

#4 - Riot MMO Professions | In Game Store | Transmog | Factions

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