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Hello and welcome to thecreaking salt soap tables of thebrazen hydro pub in Bilgewater. We'reyour hosts, Enkroven, ColinQuest, and today we'll besharing a pint and talking allthings we're going to tear on beyond.Okay, so last time wetalked professions, right?And one of the main professions,yeah, professions very near and dear tomy heart, one of themost important things inthe right of mode should beprofessions, you should be your end gameshould be able if youwanted it to be professions, if you justwant to be like you area hearth blood and that's all that youare like you are justa craftsman underorn. That'syour class fantasy. You shouldbe able to live that out.I agree. Yeah, there shouldbe enough content there. Andenough of like just like a fun grind thatyou can do. So whereyeah, you're just you're justthe guild's alchemist, dude.And it should be useful enough thatyou're valued for thatinvestment.Oh, yeah, even for like endgame rating, which you know,assuming there is rating,there better be rating ratingsawesome. But yeah, even then you shouldsell professions that areuseful and apply to that end gamecontent. Yep, absolutely.And it's not just potions, right? It'salso gear. Okay, gearis very important. Yeah,and when it comes to gear, weactually we had a comment inthe last episode on the lastepisode from red. I a nine, they said,would love to hear whatyou think of weapons geartrinkets. He mentioned Zonya'shourglass is a trinket bossweapons about RK, even common andrare items. So he's sayinglike, what are our thoughts on onin terms of items that you're gonna bereceiving in the game?And how those are going toaffect your character, howthose are going to affectprogression? And just overall,in my opinion, like, I thinkcrafting items is also veryimportant. And then gear overall isdefinitely very importantbecause we both really lovethe Legion. I don't know how thisisn't in Final Fantasy, but there arecertain items that Idon't think you should have and certainitems that I think, yeah,that sounds cool to equip.Oh, yeah, absolutely. In terms of howlore connects to gear,lore absolutely should connect to gearfirst and foremost, Ithink. In terms of like, just liketitling and flavor text,and all that stuff, you know, like Ishould be able to see astaff from Ionia. And just bylooking at the title and theflavor text and the appearance of thestaff, I can tell thisis Ionian staff from likewhatever raid or dungeon inIonia. But at the same time,yeah, there should be like alimit to that in terms of thesignificance of the items.Yeah, right. Me and I, we've alreadytalked like a billiontimes about how important it is that youare nothing. You arenothing. You are aninsignificant speck in the massiveworld of Runeterra. All right. There'slike a video. You arenothing. I forgot what that's from. It'slike a meme. Really?I feel like I've heard anaggressive you are nothingenough times from enoughforms of media. So I'm like, yeah,maybe I am nothing. Yeah.But yeah, when it comes down tolike how powerful these items are lorewise, there definitelyneeds to be a limit on that. Like I'msure some heroes likelike Hway in his paintbrush, right? Ibetter not be able towield that paintbrush. Yeah.Yeah. That's his paintbrush,dude. I better not be swinging thataround on my character.For those of you who don't know, Hway isa new champion for theLeague of Legends. Just came outrecently. So if you're notkind of in the loop of League of Legendsright now, it's justthe new champion from Ionia.Very cool. But yeah, he wieldsthe paintbrush. Yeah. And if you canequip that paintbrush,which would be even weird. That'd becrazy class for one.No, I just imagine you're awarrior. It's a two handedweapon. It's just thepaintbrush. Yeah, you just swingthat thing around withparticle effects. Titan grip twopaintbrushes. There shouldbe some fun items, you know.Absolutely. Yeah. Like onesthat okay, I don't think youshould just the paintbrushshould be a legendary equipmentitem. That's just some epicand awesome and you go andkill bosses. Maybe you justequip it and your character youcan like paint with it orsomething who knows in themiddle of town and you couldactually do something like itopens up like a thing. We canactually do like a painting.Your place platoon. Oh yeah. Yeah. Youknow like characterscan put like their actual own littleartworks on there. Yeah.Almost like that. Yeah. Oh,that's good. Vote on it in thegame like based on what we do.That would be awesome actuallyhaving art in the game. Yeah. Oh my god.Cuz I mean like yeahlike like if we do let's saylike fight play at some pointbecause we know he's kind of fightingthat balance betweengood and evil inside of him.Yeah. Let's say he falls intoevil and we have to fighthim. Yeah. He can definitely dropsome like paint related stuff.Yeah. Like he better drop somelike thematic stuff thatyour character can equip and dostuff with. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I'mso into that. Definitelyin terms of like lore gearthere needs to be some lorethematic gear. Yeah. But alsothere needs to be a limit tohow powerful and iconic.Yeah. That gear is if there's onlyone thing of something youknow if it has a name. Yeah. Yeah.That person's weapon orarmor has a name. Wow. Alreadyestablished and only one of it. Yeah. Youshould not be able toget it. That's that's the way to thinkabout it. Yeah. I thinkthat I never thought about itthat way. But yes if it has aname if there's some kind of nameattached to it alreadythat means it's prettyimportant and if it meansthere's only one of it. So it doesn'tmake sense for everyoneto have it. Yeah exactly.That's always how I felt aboutabout Doomhammer in Worldof Warcraft. Yeah. AshbringerWorld of Warcraft or the shards ofFrostmourne like how manyshards did this thing have. Everyoneseems to be equippingtwo of them. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah.That's one issue that Ihad with Legion actually was that Legiondefinitely brought ustoo close to to the heroes ofGod level. Yeah. Yeah. To Godlevel. The Ashbringer likeyou're just gonna run aroundwith the Ashbringer using it on Murlocs.Yeah exactly. Quest.That's where you're gonna use it. Yeah.What's it called? MovieAladdin where Abu pulls out the sword.Look out he's got a sword.You fools. We've all gotswords. We've all got Ashbringer.So just how it feels it's like ifeveryone has Ashbringerwhat the heck's the point? It devaluesthe item. Not specialanymore. Yeah exactly. Thetier of the goddess right. It'san item in League of Legends but thatthing in the cinema andthere's a cinematic thatshows Ezreal literally raiding aShuriman tomb to get this tier of thegoddess and this is likean intense battle. He getsattacked by void creatures likeit's not a small feat. Soit's like it feels powerful andthere's like some history to this itemthat it could be thetier of the creator of ourplanet and then this guy justeveryone's got it equipped as a PvPtrick. No. Exactly like no.Cause then even like storywise it's like well you can't doanything with that item anymore rightbecause we looted it. Ifeel like as soon as you lootand like a significant item inthe world. Yeah. You can'twrite anything for that itemanymore cuz it's just it'sthere now. It's it was ineveryone's on everyone'sequip. Now it's in everyone's banksbecause everyone geared pastit. I like the way you put it.It's such an easy way to putit. If it has a name. If italready got a name don'teveryone get it. Yeah exactly.Even you brought up earlier aboutMordekaiser's what'sabout his weapon. Nightfall. Yeahexactly. Just the factthat even though that weaponis probably not like the mostlike insanely like significant thingever. It's not like thisthing has some like crazy power thatdrives a story forward ofthe plot or anything. Yeah. But it'sMordekaiser's weapon. It'scalled Nightfall. That's his weapon. Allright. We don't needa billion nightfalls hangingaround. Yeah. That would behorrible. Yeah. It just makeseverything feel so much morelike oh okay. So where do westand now in terms of power.Right. Even if we fightMordekaiser is still just thatlooting his hammer makeseverything feel so much morelike okay now we are as strong asMordekaiser. You know how wehave that power. And it's like thatdoesn't feel right. No. Youshould build up your ownnightfall in the game. Makeyour own weapon. You should be able tohave your own weaponand it. Yeah. I really liked it. So Ireally liked in Legion howyou were building up yourweapon. Like your weapon wasgetting stronger with you and you wereout doing stuff with itand you were kind of makingit your own like you'd equip.That's true. I would love to seesomething like that wherethere's certain weapons that you get andyou kind of build themup and you make it your own. You couldeven I don't know maybeyou could name it. I don'tknow if that's necessary but sametime making your ownnightfall. Like your own epic weapon.I think my only issue with how Legionobviously Legion the waythey did it was like not that good.Right. Like they kind ofscrapped it halfwaythrough the whole idea of weaponprogression. I'm kind of happy they did.Yeah. They were likefor it. Everyone's 100percent. Yeah exactly. They justjust gave me an insanely easygood thing. Yeah. But also theproblem was that it also kind of justremoves that weapon slotlike you know because you're not you'renot looting new weaponsanymore. That's true. That'strue. You just have your oneweapon for two years. Yeah.That's right. I had with itreally. But then I also likethe idea of like that's yourweapon. You get into appearances for thatweapon. Yeah. That wascool. Like yeah it's definitely give andtake. There is I feellike just good and bad behind that. Butalso if a character issignificantly in terms of like like aplayer character. Yeah.If a player is significant it should bebecause the communitythinks of them that way.Yes. Yes. That's also the wholeWaldorf server thing. Right. You knoweveryone. So if you seesomebody day one or like you knowobviously maybe like twothree weeks in they got thefull set of whatever raid justdropped. Yeah. And you see them sayingthey're like oh well yeahthat's Jimmy. Jimmy'sfreaking amazing. Jimmy's an absolutegod. Of course he got the fullset in the first two weeks hisguild. Yeah. That's the crap out of him.He's always top of themeters. Yeah. He's sick. He's a god.Right. So that's where Ithink the charactersignificance should come in. It'swhen other people in thegame acknowledge that communitythinks you're significant.Yeah. The game thinks you'resignificant. Yeah. The gameshould not be patting you on theback. Other players should bepatting you on the back. Yeah.Oh like I said before no oneshould call you champion. Itshould be oh yeah you're that guy thatfought in that war. Youwere. Yeah. You fought in thewar. Yeah. Oh yeah. You're theyou're the noxious veteran. I've foughtin that previous war.Yeah. You get like a medal of a medalafter the war like thatshows that you fought in it and he's likeeven like show me yourmedal. Oh yeah. You did fine. I work.Good job. Okay. Yeah. Ohyeah. I would love some flavor text toshow you did stuff inthe past. Yeah. But that also should notbe like oh you foughtgods. Yeah. We were all donechampion. No it's like oh yeahyou you did fight in this war. Like yeahlike oh yeah you wereon the front lines. Yeah.Although you're a raid runningthrough like a group running through araid in the story theactual story you're a part of like anarmy you know. And that'sthe cannon is like you'reyou're actually just one piece inthis bigger cog. Okay. Wethought about I feel likeAntorus the burning throne. Yeah. It's avery good example ofthat. It was. Yes it was.Because even though on one handit was very bad the fact that we wereliterally god killers andwe have these all powerfulweapons in roles of Warcraft.Yeah. Yeah. We were straight up godkillers by the end of it.By the same time we killeddeath. I want a raid. Yeah.Straight up. We straight upkilled death. But at the sametime I want raids to be like Antoruswhere there were a lotof moving pieces in thatraid outside of what you're evenseeing happen in the raid.Yes. Outside of what you'refighting there's a billion other thingshappening in that war inthat battle that you don't even seeunless you're reading thequest text and you're you knowobviously like throughout thequest line you're setting up for thatraid. Yeah. The wholetime throughout that wholezone you are setting up for thatfight and you are helping out everyonelike okay we're gonnado this at this time when youguys are here we're gonna bedoing this to hold offthis entire infinite army fromabsolutely destroying you. Yeah. Yeah.Okay. You would be deadif it wasn't for us. Yeah.We're gonna handle our part.You handle your part. Yeah.Even in the lore like althoughyou're just one raid group you'reactually you're kind oflike a whole like. Yeah you are you're alot bigger than whatthe game shows like you're not just 20people. Yeah. Right.You you are definitely partof like an elite group becauseyou're the ones likesneaking in from the back door.But at the same time you'reprobably an elite group of likeat least like 500 soldiers you knowbecause this is the burninglegion we're talking aboutand there's way more soldiersoutside keeping everyoneaway from you so you can do yourthing and there's like it's so cool itwas super like tacticaland it was legit felt likelegit felt like the writersare sitting at a freaking table likealright guys what's the planhow are we gonna infiltrate this base.Yep. And I think your eyes should do thesame thing right like in terms of us likegoing to what's it calledAcathea let's say yeah andlet's say we have to fightViego right. Acathea is thevoid the shadow or not yeahnot shadow isles. Yeahyeah yeah although he's inCamivore now. Yeah he'sin Camivore right now sorryyeah I was thinking of a ca- We go toAcathea and fight Belvith thelady who's just a crazy evil amalgamationof an entire devouredcity. Yeah yeah. We go tofight her in in Acathea. Yeah yeahso let's say you know obviously we shouldnot be strong enoughto go there and kick her ass. No. Rightthere there needs to be somesignificant setup with with Noxus set upwith Demacia and you know evenlike if we've done like previousexpansions up until that point let'ssay we've already done like Freljord. Youknow let's say we go like recruitfreaking like Volibear inhis like tribe you know like wespeak to his tribe they're like yeahyou're gonna need youand Volibear is like that would be crazyyeah yeah her sign like a group ofUrsiner with you who are just like thesethey're basically these uh likealmost like shaman rightyeah like Udyr except they theyreally focus in ontheir worship of Volibearand then they almostembody his appearanceand they're almost they basically becomethey look like mini Volibears.Yeah it's crazy and they're like alllightning and stuff imagine youjust you end up recruiting that group tohelp you because there's no way you'reable to do this alone youit brings back that historyyeah and through and shows that the worldis kind of changing. I think that'sso important we've already talked aboutso many times theworld needs to feel likeit's changing and that's why you cannotjust go in there and freaking fight thebig bad right you've madeyou've made your friendsthroughout the expansions you've metthese tribes you've helped themnow is their time to help you and inreturn you know save Runeterraand all that stuff so you obviously youneed to be in those significant momentsright you need to bepart of those big battleseven if you are a significant piece ofnothing. Yeah exactly. So like there'sstill a balance you can strikethere with good enough writingyou can fight the big bads and still notbe strong enough to take down the bigbads yourself. Yeah it's not even thatreally important it's not even hard todo you just have to makeit where the lore is notyou actually doing this it's you're apart of a group doing this yeah you'repart of something much bigger much biggerthan you can ever evenimagine because this threat is alsobigger than you can ever imagine.The only thing that I don't think shouldchange is I remember there wasone MMO that made it like where yourcharacter actually grows olderand you die like there hadto be like that Naruto MMOthat was like a browser MMO. What's it itwas like that was an MMO where like yourcharacter literally got older and diedand you had kids and stuff. Yeah yeah Imean like I'm sure there are other MMOsthat have done that that's just like areally obscure example that I know ofyeah you will actually grow older anddie and then reincarnate andnow you're like a baby again.Yeah let's not do that. Yeah I agree somethings are just immortalsome things are just you know yeah it'slike that's okay guys therecomes a point where youhave to put the game firstand I'm okay with us being immortal forthe sake of the gameyeah and just constantly in our primeyeah and you're exactly it's okay thatyou're not uh like I think and even inWarcraft like if you actually played yourvanilla character and your canonyou'd be dead by now. I consider how manywars you fought and you shoulddefinitely be dead. Even ifyou're meant to be alive youshould definitely be dead. There's no waythere's a normal lifeexpectancy rate like nobody's dying ofold age in Azeroth right.How do you think they'll handle thatdeath so like in I don't know how youknow how they handled in Final Fantasybut in World of Warcraftwhen you die you kind of just enter thespirit realm and you rung back to yourbody and they do do some unique stuffwith it like if you're a demon hunterit's kind of like oh you're you're animmortal soul or whatever and you haveto return to your body there's no realcanon reason for otherpeople how it works uh youkind of just you wake up andthe spirit healer supposedly guides youback to your body because it's not yourtime to die yeah theytry to make it a little bitinteresting like with Iguess the shadow isles and likeokay back to the side of your turn or notyeah yeah so but it's it's muddyI like it honestly like I like the systembehind how wow does it because that meansyou running back to your body usuallygonna be a different experienceevery time unless you're dying in thesame place over and overyeah and it's that punishment of timeright that's your punishment for dyingit's like you have to take the time torun back to your body there has to besome kind of punishment for dying itcan't just be like you diedresurrect yes yeah it has to be some kindof punishment I do think the time isbetter than like losingyour gear or something yeah Idefinitely yeah like in runescape I thinkyou drop all your gear yeah like youdropped nightfall yeah how'd you getnightfall I just killedthis guy on the field apparently hekilled mordkeiser sohere's nightfall I thinkit's around I think it's aroundthey're just here ohyeah it's in the trashI think the next expansion came out wejust I was walking around around the sundistance your emma and his nightfall justsitting there in the trashwasn't that mordkeiser's yeah man yeahall the way from the death room tohere they killed them he dropped it andthis guy just threw it away he haddone dozens of them yeahyou're like yeah time to take thisbaby out for a spin and try to fight likethe most basic mob of like thecurrent expansion andyeah I get to zero damagelike you would just miss every swing andyou're like oh oh this is garbagethat's because you didn't specialize yourweapon you had to do weapon trainingoh that's right forthe mace at first come onsee who i've been training oh my god ohyeah i was gonna say if i see14 i honestly have barely ever died inthe open world because it's prettydummy easy in the open world that gameand i've like over 300 hours i shouldnot be like that i agree that's a problemdefinitely but i thinkwhat happens when you die thatgenuinely i think i live over 300 hoursin this game i can't really recall whathappens when you die ithink you just go back to uhwherever your hearthstone is setessentially like you just teleport backthere oh that's pretty timing though likewhat if you die if you knowyeah if you're like in like you knoworgrimmar is like where your hearthstoneis essentially if you're like on dragonisles it's kind of annoyingyeah that's pretty bad i think that'swhat happens well that's why theygenuinely don't recallthat's why they don't let you diedon't die yeah that's pretty punishinghow'd you solve the problem you justdon't die just don't diejust make i mean i alsoplay as a tank so i feellike that also does not helpyeah like if you don't diewhy do we have to solve anythingexactly that's what i'm saying that's whythe room terrors should be aninsanely easy world yeahwhere uh you one shot every mobright because then thatonly professions usefulone thing too aboutprofessions is you're crafting this gearright how how much so it's tough tobalance like you're talking about raidgear versusprofession gear um i feel likeyou have to find that balance where okayyou have a profession itemmaybe it can i don't know if it'll bebest in slot but it should improve yourability when you'reapproaching the raid fromoutside like that first yeah but then italso can be valued quicklyis the problem people just like uh idon't care so i'll just go to the raidand i don't need to buy this gear that'strue it's tough it's tough tobalance that is toughactually i'm not sure iknow um actually i kindof like how bfa did itin battle for azerothworld of warcraft expansion uhyou get a currency for raiding yeah ornot a currency it was straight up just acrafting reagent fromdowning bosses and eventuallylike you you get enough of that craftingreagent where you can craft anyspot you want oh that's good so basicallyyes basically the whole pointof the profession was thathey if you work enough on thisprofession you get it leveled up you doall the good stuff with itthen any slots that you have where you'rejust getting bad luck and youcan't get that very good if you can't getthat freaking chest plate for thelife of you from the raid with enough ofthis crafting reagentthat you're getting from allthe bosses that you're lootingyou can eventually just make the chestplate yourself yeah or have their bodywho's like a blacksmith craft it for youyeah it's perfect because even then youcan actually craft mythic raid level gearbut you have to do the mythic raidin order to craft it yeah and the benefitbeing you can pick any slot you wantvery good oh we i thought that was sonice in bfa actually very that is a verynice system yeah i think not so that'sjust i don't know if they still do it ifthey don't makes me sad because it wasgenius makes professions relevant and italso is bad luck protection yeah exactlyloves two problems yeah it's soit's over in that sense because yeahprofessions now fill that roleof like you're getting bad luck well whydidn't you go into bad blacksmithingidiot we we we uh we hopped off of thefreaking death way too fast i forgot ihonestly i was like i started thinkingabout something else but uh so when youdie how do you how do you think theyshould handle it if you die in the gameoh man what's the best way to handle idon't think final fantasy does it rightwhere you're just yeahi agree you don't dieyeah i don't think i don't know if youshould i don't like dying when you loseanything like gear or gold like thatseems me too that's one of the reasonsthat world work have got so popular isthat it was a casual very casual andthat was one of the casual things yeahfinal fantasy 11 you can level down inthat game by the way however today youlose experience wow yeahyeah and if you lose so much experiencethat you go down to the bottom of thebar you will level down you will go fromlike level nine to level eight i don'tlike that yeah final fantasy 11 was ammo before world of warcraft yeah that'sbad just like any mmo before world ofwarcraft that game was crazy that gamewas insane they camped acap level guy until he reached zero idon't think there's no world pvpthankfully oh in that case thank goodnessyeah that would have been badyeah obviously 11 is crazy weshould not don't do that riotyeah so how do you thinkthey should handle deathno i mean like i saidi like how wow does itbecause it's at least still somewhatentertaining to do that run backyou know sometimes you sometimes you diein very inconvenient placesstormwind yeah whenyou're dying in stormwind it'sover raiding as a horde player you haveyour raiding stormwindoh man i've died whatis god i why when i'mqueuing pvp i'd always stand in stormwindreally sometimes you know greatmost of the time i get it yeah sometimesi'll even be dying and i'll get the pvpqueue it's great yeahusually i'll get like a couplemore kills and they're like you're aboutto come in and boom except but that'sgreat you knowsometimes you get goth yeahyeah you get goth your back is horribleyeah it's a long walk back yeah i don'tknow if the lions players have it thesame way when they're raiding orgrimmari'm sure they do i think it's likeliterally from that village outside oforgrimmar probably yeahyeah yeah for all i know it'slike all the way in like razor hill oryeah it's not the closest oneand that's how it is for like so if youif you died in stormwind technicallyyou should be at that village right outthat town right outsidethere is a graveyard in stormwind ifyou're a horde you don't go thereyou go all the way to the other one yeahthey probably do that on purposeyeah they do so you make sure you can'tjust like stick around as welldefinitely do stuff like that you knowdepending on what you're doingthat's a very good point i never thoughtabout that but yeah hopefullyin a perfect world we have noxis anddamacia as players and you're fightingyeah yeah it should definitely dosomething like that where uh here's aworld pvp that shouldaffect your spawn pointso you can just constantly come back andkeep trying to kill someonethere's also the goldcost of repairing your gearoh do you do do we want damageable gearif you're under a blade no if you're incloth who caresyeah you're telling me i stab you and youdon't that rope does not get torn upno are you telling me at least that's notvery expensive to repairman i remember freaking my warrior was soexpensive on repairs really yeahdruid is not that badbecause leather leather oh yeahactually i never noticed that it's moreexpensive if you're wearing play yeahoh yeah that's crazyyeah i never noticed thati think mostly because i just play retaili've not played much classic whereyou know i have zero significance forgold i just click thebutton to repair all gear maybebut i think i don't know ilike the running back fromfrom your you know from the nearestgraveyard to your dead bodyi'm personally a fan of that i can'treally think of any other mmo that doesit better you know that'swhat i there's no there's nobetter option out there that i can thinkof i feel like that's the best optionbut maybe if you know maybeif they if they're maybe theythought i feel like there's a chancewe're just gonna go into this thing andbe like something completely now oh likethis is so refreshing at the sametime like i don't wantto see the wheel inventedyeah like there's just gonna say thatthere's a balance there i i want them towow me yeah but i don'twant this mmo to be soout there crazy that it'sno longer mmo yeah exactlythat like it no longer hasthose nice mmo tropes that i lovei'm totally trying to get targeting kindof guy i'm gonna be honest i don't thinki like tab targeting i like thecombination i've loved oh yeahyeah i like some skill shots yeah ialways thought war stomp like it makessense that it's not a tab yeahyou know i felt aoe abilitiesyeah yeah i thought you want to aim thataoe ability right yeah and you want toaim yeah yeah your war stomp absolutelyor like an aoe ability like you'resaying yeah yeah you want to round up thecare like the enemies as best you canso naturally don't just want to have tolike target a specific guy and aoe aroundthem no you want tokind of get them in thenice group put it like a sweet spot rightin the middle between themdrop your nice uh big thunderboltwhatever the heck it is to hit everyoneyeah but then at the sametime single target attacksi much prefer if i just amable to target a characterand then push my awesome class buttonsyou know run around make sure i don'tget hit and die yeahbecause the thing is when you makeeverything a skill shot i feel like youdowngrade like i look at really any anygame like fortnite or something like thatimagine fortnite with the abilitiesthat you have in wow it wouldn't worklike whenever yeah absolutely yeah nothat'd be disgusting ora-class legends which is i'mplaying these games because i mean uh fpsis literally all skillshots that's yeah that's the whole thingyeah counter strike is just a game ofskill shots like whodoes better skill shotsyeah uh but when you do that you can'tmake the game as complexbecause now the person is focusing onlanding the skill shotand like it'll become overwhelming to befocusing on the skill shot andall your abilities and you know i guessyou could dodge mechanics while doingskill shots but you're going to be reallylimited in your ability countyeah that's a very good point actuallynow i think about it i think guild warstwo is the one example i can think ofwhere there is no tab targetingin that game how many abilities do theyhave like eight yeahlike you guys like i was like uh guildwars two depends on like your weaponright if you switchfrom a two-handed mace to ayou know just like a sword and shieldyour abilities will be different it'sgoing to swap out your abilities towhatever the sword abilities aren'twhatever the shield abilities are yeah sothere's that like dynamic feel toit but you don't have access to all yourbuttons at once yeah yeahat any point in time you haveeight abilities see which is like if theywant to make the gamemulti-platform if they want tohave it on xbox on playstationoh yeah definitely that's like her whichwhatever on the steam deckyeah which is awesome yeah at the sametime i don't think thatuh they they can you could have lessabilities if you make it a skill shotgame yeah but then if you make it a skillshot game honestlysomeone on xbox control is justgoing to get wrecked anyways yeah that'strue like you have to find abetter way to do it whether you have ithink tab targeting maybe a coupleskill shots and then you could still findout there's a there's an add-onfor a while which i've used before thatallows you to i i was able to heal adungeon using thatadd-on and use a controllerjust fine that's allthe abilities that i hadyeah so that's cool it's possible and ibut i can see them maybeif they lean towards skill shots justbecause the reduced ability count becauseyou're still engageddespite having less abilitiesyeah it'll make it easy to make itmulti-platform but i i would prefer mycompany yeah i prefer acombination like i reallydon't like the amazon mmo yeah new worldyeah it's like yeah i don'thave abilities yeah i'm not i feel like iunderstand it's all skill shots you'rejust running around but it doesn't feelgood to me yeah that'snot the kind of game that i find myselflike i could sink a thousand hours intothis yeah you know andhurt mmo that's kind ofwhat you have to go for as a developerright this riot mmo is not going to besomething that theysupport for like a yearlike like this is not some like fightinggame where it's like oh you'regonna put out some updatesand they're gonna make a sequelyeah no this if they're doing this rightit's gonna be like this year mmo yeahis going to go for atleast like 10 years yeahright that's why they're gonna beinvesting so much money into this andwhy it's taking them solong to even release likethe smallest minute pieceof content about it becausethis is probably gonna be a big gamethey're probably working on this thingconstantly it's massive scope yeah and ifthey have the guts at the end they'llnuke it like they did with final fantasyand just make a new oneyeah that's actually unreal it's actuallyso cool of them i canthink they evendecided to keep the mmo goingthat's because that mmo at first was amess it was horriblei'll just show you like there's likedocumentaries and stuff on the i heardyeah yeah before um arealm reborn was liketheir new vanilla basically but just ohmy god i think that'sinsanely cool but yeah likeif you only have those likecertain number ofabilities and their skill shotsi can only land a skill shot so manytimes where it's satisfyingto a point where i'm just kind of over ityeah you know and i guess just likemuscle memory at that point and justfeeling mundane but when youhave something like you know world ofwork under final fantasy 14where you have this reallyintricate class going on withall these different moving parts and youknow all these different combos you cando all these differentsituational things youcan perform yeah itsuddenly keeps you playing thegame a lot longer long enough tohopefully you know getinto your like nichecommunity of people on your server andget invested in the world and everythinglike that i think that's what it is likeinstead of me thinking about trying toland the next shot it's metrying to think about what am i gonna dowhat is this thing thatmight be the boss or myenemy and people are you gonna dobecause i love pvp yeah it's very likeyou need to utilize every corner of yourclass yeah to make themost out of your utilityand your damage this isyour stupid stuff like uhwhen are you ever gonnause spell reflect in in uhraid exactly if you're a pvp pveer you'llnever use certain abilitiesspell reflect is like something that ifyou're about to get hit by a magic spellspecifically one that's targeted at youyeah you can reflect it yeah and it's socool yeah if you're atank maybe there's ause case for that like mobs maybe youcould spell reflect some stuff yeah justfor like fun but yeahyou're not gonna do any damageit's not really worth it but in pvp it'shuge yeah it's like a very big andimportant cooldown yeah absolutely youknow and that's the thinking that i liketo think about is because i'm thinkingi'm trying to get in someone's head andthink what are they gonna do how can imake it harder for them to dowhat they want to do and what do i needto do to react to that and what do ihave like that i canuse still available andwhen's my cooldowns coming off likethere's a lot to think about compared towhoever lands more shots wins oh yeah youdefinitely it's i completelyagree it's it's no longer just about uhyou know getting in cover and pokingyour head out and shootingout an ability then runningback into cover you know no longer thatkind of stuff i mean ithink line of sight should definitelystill be a thing so i think line ofsight is cool hiding around corners andstuff but not nearly to the degree thatthere are still elements yeah that's sotrue we do say that becausewe're both male and like freaking castersyeah hit me now yeahas a feral druid you got a hit run behindthe pillar it goes stealth againyeah i love that kind of stuffi hope we see that in the mmobut also you know i just thought aboutthat makes a lot more hopeful this willbe a tap target at mmo theywant to appeal to league oflegends players true oh and only just allskill shots isn't itno no i mean there's tap targeting andskill shots okay goodgood yeah i'm scared for a second becausei i'm mostly a dota 2 playeryeah i don't play much league but i doknow whenever somebody compares them tolike oh league of skill shots dota 2 isyou just target i mean we'll see if theygo like the and you only have a couple ofabilities yeah that'svery much guild wars 2 routeif they if they follow league of legendshere's what i say you take that leagueof legends character you keep those fourabilities as skill shotsand you add tap targetingabilities and flavor it outplease that's what you do ohboy i did not consider thatwhy is dota is dota all like totallyalmost entirely yeah like there areskill shots but they're pretty far andfew between you knowlike you might have like you might havelike a couple heroesthat are mostly skill shots yeah but iwould say probably like maybe like 7080 of your abilities arejust you click the ability andthen you click on the person and thattargets them you know i will ii almost want to say this when it comesto tap targeting versus skill shotsyou also widen yourplayer base with tap targetingi think it's a lot more accessible yeahit's a lot more accessibleyeah like uh there's thatwhen someone gets you knowolder or even younger it's way easierwhen they don't get youwhen someone's younger not in like themiddles you know when they're likewhatever 20s and 30s you're okay yeah butthen when you get up to like youknow we start getting older yeah you doget slower okay your reaction time slowsdown it's way easierto tap target than itis to skill shot and also when you'reyounger when you're a little kidit's way easier to taptarget than just a skill shot yeahbut then again i've seen like little kidsland these mario jumpsoh i mean i've seen kidsplay fortnite oh my god yeahi mean still also it's just like tapslike i know we talked a lot about howinsanely like uh much utility there isbehind like when you have like 20abilities yeah but alsothe truth is if you don'twant to use all 20 of your abilities youcan just use like four and you'll getby in terms of pve content you know youwould especially if you'restarting off from like level one andyou're getting each ability slowlyit's really not as crazy as it soundswhen you are slowly getting yourabilities over thecourse of like maybe likeeven like 30 hours you're definitely notgoing to notice how many abilities youhave by the end andyou'll know what all of them doyeah so like i feel like that's not toomuch of a concern in terms of likeaccessibility oh goshdang it riot please give ustap targeting yeah ireally want i really think taptargeting with a little bit of skillshots is really goodyeah i agree there should be some skillshots i even like umthe most recent uhworld of warcraft like vokeryeah oh yeah they have likethey're like charge up abilitiesyou know i think that's really cool likethey're charge up skill shots you'llhold down your ability yeahcharges it up the more damage itdoes those are almost like the abilitythat sounds very like alegend yeah that kind ofstuff absolutely i'm allfor it but also evenwith evoker they still havea lot of just targeting abilities most oftheir abilities are still justtargeting it's just sayingit's like your big fun attacksyeah i'm saying and even more even moreimportant than even even moreimportant to me then if youhave skill shots or if youhave tap targeting is thateveryone's abilities should beunique to their their class and i dothink it's going to be a class system iknow people are saying i want to be allthe classes like final thing i thinkit's going to be a class system becausethere's so many uniqueclasses in league of legends that couldeasily translate overinto a class in the game like i can't seeeveryone being everything and ireally i feel like that's almost boringoh absolutely i agree um but i feel likeeverything that we talk about goes backto you can't be special yeahbut you are like important like well youshould be personalized but not specialyeah i should be like that's my guythat's my character i love my characterbut i'm also like oh mycharacter is an absoluteinsane mega god who killed one billionsoldiers champion championwe couldn't have done without youchampion yeah exactly is there's ascene now yourcharacter being personalizedand your character being special azerothis in your debt championruneterra needs you goingfor aid to only the championsseriously yeah there's there's adistinction there needs to be madedefinitely and we had to all everythingwe're doing like okay so we're talkingabout gear we're saying yeah if it has aname don't use it yeahi'm not saying that you have to use ashovel but yeah you couldn't be usingnightfall yeah you knowlike i'm not saying youshouldn't use a hammer but you shouldn'tbe equipping orange hammeryeah okay that guyliterally named hammer yeahtrue literally and then same thing withabilities i feel like abilitiesneed to be unique for your class and itshould not homogenize across everyonedefinitely and i mean luckily i thinkruneterra points more in that directionof like not every race can be every classyou can maybe one classbecause when you compare world ofwarcrafts world where the classes andraces are pretty limitedat least especially like old world work ithink they're changingthat now i don't like it yeahbut compared to likesay final fantasy 14 wherefamily c14 the races in that game arepretty much everywhereright like sure you have yourplace that might have more lalafel likemore little people thanhumans yeah but you're stillgonna find humans there you're gonna findhumans everywhere you'regonna find lalafel everywhereyou know you're gonna find your catpeople everywhere sothose races are pretty mixedfor the most part which is why it kind ofmakes sense that yeahthey can just be everythingit's whatever yeah like they can be anyclass they want runeterraleans a lot more into azerothside it does where it's like yeah likethe only race you're reallygonna find everywhere is theyordles and even then they're stillpretty distinct in terms of their cultureyeah you know humans imean you can find humans everywhere ohreally yeah i mean humansare are the most they're themost common race in runeterra isdefinitely humans and then it would govastaya and then it would goyordles oh really oh wow okay i alwaysassumed like yordles arejust kind of like freaking itdoesn't matter they're everywhere they'rei mean they're definitelyeverywhere like you can findyordles literally everywhere fromfreaking dimasia to the shadow islesyou'll find yordles oh but atthe same time there's not like a largelike population ofyordles you know i've never seenlike a yordle camp yeah no it'sdefinitely not like bandle city is wherethe yordles are yeahother than that any order you find inruneterra is basically anomad yeah well they're just kindof making their home somewhere else for alittle while yeah some arecrazy like they never go backlike some of them just say i i don't evenknow uh how to get backthat's crazy yeah like there'sthat one yordle and mage seeker i forgother name but you start askingher about bandle city and uhlike all the other yordles and stuff andshe's like i have no ideai i honestly haven't beenthere in freaking generations like idon't remember anythingabout it but i might go backsometime if i can figure it out almostokay yes they really like imean they go they leave for awhile okay so so so you tell me then doyou think that every racewill be able to be every classin terms of just how much the races aremixed throughout theworld of runeterra uh i thinkmost classes every race can be in certainclasses no uh like forexample i always go back to theshaman there are no vestayan shaman yeahright there are noyordle shaman and the pryjordyeah to uldir uh so i won't i don't thinkyou'll see that okay yeahthat's fair yeah i thinkthere's uh yeah maybe if they do likesome like tinker class thatmight be like a yordle specificthing yeah and i think there's certain ithink it needs to have flavor betweenwhich what your raceis versus the class that you pick tooyeah i think such i think that'simportant we're like even likelike the starting gear for a yordlewarrior should be different from thestarting gear yeah they'relike a human warrior and that kind ofstuff and i've never seen avestaya in in dimasya reallyyeah there's a dragon i've never seen avestaya that's interestingyeah okay so yeah so there'sstill some like distinction in the landsat least like to some degreeevery style allowed in dimasyai don't want to look that up aren't theythey're kind of magical likethat i think i have the threeraces the three primary races vestaya aredefinitely the most magical i would saybut they're not magici mean they're more like spirit realmkind of thing but i don'tknow maybe make that distinctioni don't know i don't know does dimasyacare i'm not sure oh manyeah i still think i i hope theydo the one class thing i mean even inlike you know obviouslythe characters over in terraare very much one thing yeah i mean gracei think how my c14 isalso kind of like thatbut also those characters do move arounda lot in terms of whatclasses they are like even ifi'm sc14 you'll see a character who maybeis like uh like like anassassin at one point and thenwheels of sword next expansion yeah youknow so even they kind ofmix things up to some degreebut runterra especially is like yeah likeuh darius that dude's awarrior all right he's a warrioryeah i feel like most characters arepretty uh deep into what class they areand that like flavorlore really expands on what class theyare specifically so ihope they do the same forour characters yeah like if you look atthat if you look at warcraftone two and three right notevery class is there but you candefinitely see where they got the classesfrom yeah you know likemalfurion okay he's a druid uh and theyhave i think the otherdruids in the game but lookingback at it like you see where they gotthe class from thenthere's a lot of classes thatweren't even in the game like i don't idon't remember yeah from likewarcraft three into warcraftyeah like there's just one warlock that'sgouldan yeah yeah nowarlocks were definitely neverconsidered to be a part of the horde orthe alliance yeahthat's for sure and there wasjust one you know what i'm saying likelike even though we're we're alwaysstruggling like oh youknow what classes would there be reallythey could pull anythingyeah they can make stuff up dudeyeah they can make stuff up and like likethe the person that wethink oh maybe that wouldn'tbe a class like for example the newcharacter hui like yeah youdon't think he could be a classor yeah but you could legit like we couldcome in and be like this isthe only guy who does thisbut then they're like oh okay there'sthis whole refugee camp fromwhere he came from which wasdestroyed by jin uh yeah they like youknow found his like hispaintings that survived whicheverone survived and they started learninghis whole class around itwhole class yeah yeah the harpthe yeah i mean like from from where theyare right now yeah theycan write whatever the heckthey want yeah everything right now feelsso foundational that'sthe thing like nothing isreally set in stone yet there is onething i do want to say that that does uhi i i know the answerbut i just want to talk about it a littlebit yeah so in legends ofruneterra right now you havevole bear and now you have mort keiserwho are like huge giantcharacters which oh yeah i i don'tknow if we're gonna i don't know if we'regonna fight them or not i think mortkeiser's a guaranteedgonna be a fight i don't know if you'regonna be fighting vole bearyeah an mmo though unless he'skind of like uh like like like odin fromworld of warcraft yeah whereyou know he's just like he'sjust a dude that's looking for a goodtime you're gonna fight him a little bithe's gonna play withyou you're not really gonna do any damageto him he's just lookingfor some fun yeah i coulddefinitely see that with vole bear forsure because vole bear is just insanelike that yeah and so inlegends of exactly so he's he's kind oflike this really bigcharacter i think he's gonna play usa significant role in the moe we'redefinitely gonna see him atsome point we're gonna see himlike just being as tall as a mountaincasually yeah but then youhave like in this story rightnow in legends of runeterra you have nylawho's kind of just goingagainst these larger than lifecreatures you know like she foughtagainst vole bear and she now she'sfighting against mort keiserand i just i hope that this isn't like ii know that we want thingsto be canon but i don't wantto see this random character nyla justi'm not that she's random noshe's just like not that likeshe's a character you know it's okay yeahshe's there she exists buti feel like she shouldn'tbe able to compete with these charactersof vole bear and ohthat should be like powerceiling between the characters yeah yeahi hope that this doesn'tbecome like a canon thing likethis happened already even though i thinkit might i don't know if itis or isn't like we haven'tgotten exact confirmation of what's canonand what isn't they said they're gonnastart moving forwardthat they're gonna start makingeverything a unified canonum at the same time like ithink that they could use legends ofruneterra to flesh out stories yeahdefinitely but right now ifeel like they might be just diving toodeep into like a lot of these majorcharacters i mean hearthstoneat the end of the day hearthstone's verysimilar and it's kind ofhearthstone's not really canon onanything no it's just kind of like funstories and you're battlinglike you can literally fightyou can go through all of next ramus youknow yeah i think it'scanonically in the in azerothit's just a card game yeah i'm prettysure at least in world ofwarcraft it is yeah i heardsomething exists in world of war i hopethat legends of runeterraalso exists that'd be reallycool that'd be really neat there's soyeah i hope it's like notcanon all this stuff like i hopethat this stuff kind of just stays likein legends of runeterra a lotof the art i hope the art likethere's a lot of art and cool pieces thatthey could use toreference to make this stuff canonyeah but certain stories i think shouldjust be like like i don'tknow i don't think nyla shouldfight mord kyser yeah no definitely notthere's definitely a powergap there at least if youfeels like there should be in terms ofwhat they've accomplishedyeah you know in terms of thethe feats that they have done in theirlife exactly mord kyserhas definitely done way morein terms of just raw power yeah i mightdo a video on nyla who is nyla prettysoon but i just feellike there's certain characters arelarger than life that shouldn't bechallenged by a singleindividual like yeah mord kyser is goingto need all of runeterra totake him down exactly rightlike i can't see it happening any otherway if it does i'll be disappointedexactly i hope honestlyso in did you play the witcher thewitcher a little bit nottoo much so in the witcher youhave this card game called gwent oh yeahfreaking loved gwent in the witcher tothe point where theyso you see how we're saying andhearthstone came out and then they saidoh hearthstone's in worldof warcraft it's like a card game in thegame yeah uh but then youhave uh gwent which came yeahthe game's the opposite yeah and then itbecame a card game becausepeople loved it so much yeahuh i almost hope that you can like theysomehow link in legends ofruneterra into it where ifyou're you can sit in it in in the gameand it could i've alwayssaid this like you should beable to sit in a pub and in world ofwarcraft or in like yeah or whatever andplay hearthstone yeahyou like you see a guy right like if yousee my buddy and in playingthe game like oh you want togo play a match of hearthstone and wecould literally go sit downand it'll open up you knowin a window now you're playinghearthstone it's your account like you'reyeah hearthstone butyou're in the game so it feels almostorganic similar to how gwentyou feel like you're in thegame still yeah like why not merge thingstogether it's okay to havelike people playing yes andwhite crossover it'd be so easy becauseyou're you like you justhave a riot account right yeahlike you're gonna be signed into yourriot account on mmo yeahyou're signed into yourriot account in uh legends of ruterathere's no edge would notbe like that difficult tocross them over like that and put legendsof rutera in the mmoyeah you should be able toput a lot of people playing and look atlook at like oh you canwatch the game you can likespectate yeah yeah i love that likeimagine you walk into the inn and it'sthat's how you that'show you make stuff feel alive is byadding stuff like that ithink yeah when you i want to walkinto an inn and see people sitting downyou know like i want to walkinto the brazen hydra in thegame i see people sitting down having adrink whatever and then isee people also in the cornerplaying legends of rutera like that's howyou and not just npc'slike these are real playersinteracting in the world totally i'd wantto see stuff like thatdude even with all these gamesriot has right now because i feel likejust recently right riot has justexploded in terms ofrutera based games and i can totally seecross promotional stuffhappening i'm surprised that ihaven't seen that yet i actually like iactually i don't know now ithink about it if it was justa rutera has done anything like crosspromotional with league of legends orwith any of the riotforge games maybe i don't think so righti'm surprised by that thenthey're kind of just likebecause they're both in the same universeyeah you know i'm sosurprised it's not like oh you knowlike played whatever many games of leagueof legends as this heroand then you get this likehero like card back you know for yourdeck i wonder i wonder ifthey've done stuff like thati i get totally see the abbotting withthe mmo too he's doing crosspromotional stuff and i thinkthere should be a limit to that rightlike i don't think thereshould be some like insanelycool mount for playing legends of ruterabut they have the hearth steeden wowright yeah exactly ifeel like there's a limit to that wherei'm like okay if i don't wantto really play it i shouldn'tfeel like i'm missing out on anythingcrazy but it should still be some funlittle stuff you knowlike like just like some like toy where iget to just like startflinging out a bunch of cards frommy pocket yeah like in the mmo like abunch of legends of ruteracards because i played the gamelittle stuff like that be like oh my godthat's so cool this guy clearly playslegends of rutera hehas the toy yeah or you can get like agame board where you don'thave to be in an inn but you canbust it out you know yeah play a gamewith your buddy that'd be insanely cooland obviously i thinkthey're gonna do the same stuff like theother way around right likeplaying the mmo gets you stuffin legends of rutera yeah see that's coolyeah all right i hopethey do that there definitelyshould be a limit legends of rutera iswhat makes me feel goodabout riots monetizationyeah it could so easily be scummy rightany any card gamenatural easily be scummy butlegends of rutera is not legends ofrutera is not scummy at all like ihonestly feel like it'slike it's they almost don't care if youspend money or not in agame that's wild like right nowthese stories come out you just play themyou just yeah that's wildyou can purchase like thebattle pass which will make you you knowunlock certain things asyou're leveling but no you don'thave to do that and you can just play thegame you're not gonnaexperience all the content just likeanyone else would yeah and you get a tonof cards and you couldstill get your chests at the endthat have these cards that you need to gounlock the characters andstuff so it's like honestlythe monetization in legends of rutera isvery very player friendlyyeah the most i've ever seen inany game that's why i'm so hopeful thatrai is gonna monetize ourmmo right to get in the maximumnumber of players first and foremost yesbecause they understandthat if you get enough peopleplaying your game the whales will comeyes you know if you likeif you monetize it rightyeah they whales will come seriouslybecause like you're notgonna find whales wanting tojump drop a thousand dollars on an mmothat nobody's playing yesthey want to drop a thousanddollars but then at the same time iunderstand whales want to show off thatthey dropped a thousandyeah but please leave it out of my mmo toan extent you know yeahthey have to make moneyi understand but just make it where it'slike you know you make moneybut not at the detriment ofthe game ever yeah absolutely yeah i meani was always gonna bethat fear right that the thewhales will just be too tempting but alsothey're gonna make it's it'sit's the the good old sayingof like make make a dollar today versusmaking five dollarstomorrow yep blizzard makes thatdollar today every time but it willeasily take that dollar everyday it's because like that'ssuch an easy thing like they just makethem one mount like first is making awhole expansion theyjust make one mount release it and theyjust print money yeahexactly but guess what in terms oflong term the game players come in now ohabsolutely yeah i don't think numbershave ever been lowernothing feels special oh yeah no there'sno reason to grindanything in terms of cosmeticsi don't care to grind for anything in awhile there's no reason toget a value yeah yeah there'sno value in anything anymore in a whilewhich is how many amounts arejust in the store now gear isin the store too you can make yourselflike look great just buyingthe gear yeah you can make a newaccount and wow right now and withinmaybe two minutes already look likeyou're fully geared outwith amounts that are insanely glowy andcool yep and what's the point yeahwelcome to ogumah championdude that's so sad we are like riot getsthere right with with withlegends of ruterra and withleague of legends it shows that theyunderstand that retainingthe player base is the mostimportant thing to keep a good flow ofmoney coming and to keepthat flow of money comingfor a long time they they play a longgame and i think it's workedwonders for them they're goingto keep doing it i do think it'll be freeto play i think so toobecause everything can't see a worldwhere it's not free to play yeah alltheir games are free to playyeah they're they're two liveservice games are both free to play valorthree oh yeah and valor ialways forget they made valorit's like the one game that's not ruterrait's an insanelysuccessful yeah i just forget it's ariot game so yeah there are three liveservice games all are freeto play i cannot see a worldwhere the mmo is gonna have a downpayment i think they'll definitely befree to play how theymonetize it outside of that i'm hopingfor a subscription wetalked about that yeah or i'mlike i want to make sure that i i wantthem i want to tell them that it's worthplaying the game thismonth yeah next month i don't know youbetter make it worth it but this monthit's worth playing andi'll pay money for this month yeah manbut we'll see how they goabout it oh i better not be anin-game shop dude yeah i mean it's gonnaif it goes free to playthere's gonna be an in-game shopit just depends on how uh how significantit is yeah like i hopethat the way that they do itright the way to get free to play butstill be perfect foreveryone would be uh the battle passwhich is basically like a subscriptiondude i'm honestly intobattle pass i mean like a bad rapright now and i don't understand do theyi feel like loot boxes get abad record they'll probablyget a worse rap yeah but the thing is thethe the scummy people thatused to make loot boxes nowmake battle passes there is such thingsas scummy battle pass rightoh yeah the grind is slow theonly good thing you can get out of it isat the very end of thebattle pass everything else isgarbage yeah you know you have to and ifyou don't buy you're likenot going to get anything yeahyeah they'll make the grind like abillion times even slower towards likeundoable but i definitelysee ryatt making a good battle pass and ithink a good battle passis amazing yeah i think it'sgenuinely a good form of monetizationbecause you're essentially paying forwhat is already freeyou know which is the content yeah likelike whatever contest hasbeen released like for theseason yeah and from there as a rewardyou get the full progressionpath for you to actually playout the whole season and get all therewards yeah that's what ithink that's the best move in myopinion like things that's the best ofboth worlds is the battlepass without the battle passthe in-game store is going to bedisgusting it's hard to not to beatbecause that's how they're theonly source of income so yeah they'regoing to put gear and look appearancesand all this stuff onthe store if you do a battle pass that'sbasically honestly i see it as asubscription yeah me tooyou're subscribing and a battle passmakes it where they're kindof earning your yeah you stillhave to earn the stuff that you'regetting in the battle pass yeah veryimportant thing especiallyin mmo that's a very important thing tome yeah you're not justbuying it yeah but also thequestion is how would they how do you doan mmo battle pass right ithink like in pvp it's kindof obvious right pvp world work i've kindof already does it justwithout a battle pass yeahthey do where it's like oh if you ifyou're above a certain rating and you getthis many wins abovethis certain rating then yeah you'll getlike this cool mount orwhatever i guess they're workinglike a battle pass type system rightwhere you're getting a certain number ofwins above this ratinguh and you like the you know the battlepass progresses that waymaybe like achievementsbut yeah maybe through achievements likei don't know like ahead ofthe curve type stuff like justa cheat yeah achievements in general uhso let's say that you havethis is just like whatever offtop of my head you have a battle pass forthis expansion or this likethis patch of this expansionand there's certain things that will giveyou their like achievementsright you know doing questsand just freaking herbalizing or whateveryeah and there's multipleways to earn these achievementpoints and you get achievement but thenthey also count towards your battle passand your battle passcomes with like certain things andfilling up the it'll come like even withgear and stuff like thatthat you can use and cool stuff and ifreaking love pets okay pet battles outof oh yeah i was alsokind of yeah well we could totally talkabout that at some pointwe're gonna talk okay next nextepisode we're gonna talk about differentstuff like i like thatwe're talking about legendsdifferent terror in the game there'sother stuff like that like telstonegambit which is a demociangame which i want to see in there alittle bit like other littlegames that you could play yeahtotally i love mini games my mmo yeah andi love finding you findthese animals out in the worldyou know and just kind of catch them andit sounds really bad rightnow yeah like it sounds greatyou find really little animals and makethem just battle eachother you know yeah dudebut look it's a cool thing i like i thinkit's adorable i want tocollect my little dudes yeahi love pet dungeons i love the petdungeons like different avenues withcontent it's just morereasons to log in yeah and so like in thebattle pass you know you get likesomething like a petor whatever you know yeah i really thinkthe battle pass systemwould be the best way forthem to go about it and it's the bestplayer friendly way to goabout it where it's like asubscription but if you just buy it thenyou can get all this stuffand if you don't buy it it'sfine like you don't get all the things inthe battle pass butyou'll still be able to likeunlock a lot of stuff that's cool forevery player i actuallykind of like the achievementsystem you gotta go and i think thatcould be pretty coolbecause then yeah it's like that'sthe problem right is there so manydifferent avenues ofcontent hopefully there's so manydifferent avenues yeah hopefully rightbut you're not just onething that you're doing the mmoyeah and you can do all of them they alladd up into your battlepass so that way i could alsosee it being like oh yeah of course thismythic raider this guydoing the high end of high oncontent first couple weeks he completesthe battle pass yeah right and you seehis gear in the cityyou see his cool pet you see his awesomemount yeah from the battlepass like on the final levelof the battle pass yeah it's like okayyeah that's jimmy you wanted to bedifferent avenues of contentbecause you know we wanted to be youwanted people to they paid for the battlepass you want them tounlock it you know you want to like forcepeople uh in order to getto the next level you got toplay a round of telstone gambit yeah yeahexactly you don't want toforce people into into doingstuff but we're going to talk a lot moreabout this in the nextepisode yeah oh 100 we openedup a whole can of worms right there yeahyeah really open the canof worms at the end so ihope you enjoyed this episode we'llcontinue this conversation in the nextone right here in thebrazen hydra pub in bilge water you canfind me at engrove on socialsand youtube and you can findme conquest at conquest 95 on twitter andif you wanted to stay up todate on the goings on for thispodcast specifically follow at the brazenhydra on twitter whereyou can add us questions orsuggest topics for us to talk about andyou can also find us at the brazenhydra.com thanks forstopping by and we'llsee you in the next one

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