#12 - RIOT MMO SMOLDER effect, Bandle Tale, CAMAVOR, World Progression, and MORE!

Send us a Text Message.

This episode and more at https://www.thebrazenhydra.com

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:50 Smolder and Camavor
8:50 Bandle Tale
10:53 Riot MMO locations
16:05 Storytelling
23:30 World Progression and FOMO
34:50 Should Character Grow up?
37:10 New Champions added with purpose
43:54 League of Legends made for Riot MMO
44:23 Name of Riot MMO - Runeterra
49:03 Riot MMO Recruiting Image Analysis
55:00 NPC Day/Night Cycle
58:50 Outro

Hosts:
EntGrove: https://twitter.com/entgrove
KongQuest: https://twitter.com/KongQuest95

Support the Show.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBrazenHydra
Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheBrazenHydra
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebrazenhydra/

1:00:00

Hello and welcome to the creaking saltsoap tables of thebrazen hydro pub in BilgewaterWe're your hosts and Grove and conquestand today we'll be sharing apint and talking all thingsWe're in Terra and beyond so we kind ofgot a deep got a decentlypegged episode this timeWe can try to getthrough everything againWe're we're gonna talk more about thebeasts we may see in the riot MMOThe what we kill and we might add a wholeseries around that at thispoint what we kill in seriesWell, we'll get around to thateventually. We'll actually cover all thebeasts we want to see maybe one dayOh, yeah, and then we gotcross character progressionYou mentioned that last time. I thinkit's something we should talk about againAnd then arcane season 2 coming out thisyear. It's a big thing if you haven'twatched arcane season 1I definitely recommend it because youhave champions like MMvasa Madarda who iscoming to the rift pretty soonAnd I also want to talk about one morechampion a littleknown guy called smolderYou may be familiar withhim the fiery fledglingand the reason I want to talk aboutsmolder just really quicklyspecific to the right of emo isSo we I have a video coming out prettysoon on smolder and his lore and stuffI was going throughhis lore and at the endAt the end of his biography because itturns out smolder is actually fromcamivore and if you know who viego isHe's from camivore. He led to theruination at the end of his bioIt says and one day when he is readyThey will return together to theirancestral home tousher in a new golden ageFor camivore. I'm gonna call this rightnow. We already said me and you rightcamivore is gonna be an expansionThat's it easy. Oh, yeah, hundred percentAbsolutely. There's noway it doesn't happenExactly like like viego alone is enoughfor us to wear a camivore expansion andviego is trapped in camivore andViego causing the ruination reallyscrewed over the imperial dragons to thepoint where they're all pretty much deadAnd the imperial dragons were likedragons that kind ofallied with the camivorian kingsYeah, I that's pretty cool. Yeah andsmolder right now is in noxious becauseSo basically, you know, he was incamivore the placewas whole falling aparthis mother kept journeying further andfurther to try to get him food and thenNoxian beast masters which a lot of thoseguys are like they basically look forbeasts that people canfight them in the arenasThey stole smolder away his eggWhile he was on the ship and then sheended up figuring out where the ship wasshe destroyed it blew it upBut then smolder ended up like gettinglost his egging lost andhe ended up on an islandI don't think it was he might havehatched by then but anywaysHe ends up on an island and then he endsup living in noxious andshe eventually finds himSo right now they are in noxious and thenI think that that's how we're gonna linkback to camivore one dayIt'll be with smolder and we'll be likegoing to meet the imperialdragons and retake camivoreand we all know viego is in camivoreafter the events of thethe Sentinels of lightAlso, so so do you thinkSmores gonna be like our guide during thecamivore expansion essentiallyHe's gonna be like our go-to man thatwe're gonna be talking to a lotthroughout the whole expansionI think at the beginning for sure likesmolder is gonna be a big piece of like,you know gettingintroduced and everythingI think his mother. Yeah. Yeah his motherwho's more she'sactually been to camivoreI mean, he doesn't remember anythingabout camivore. He'sjust like a little kidYeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. He wasnever actually in camivore right evenjust as like a kid. SoExactly, but I think his motherThat's a big easy one. OhYeah, absolutelyI'm surprised is this like the secondtime we're seeing any involvement withcamivore? It's it's onlybeen viego up until now, right?Yeah, no just viego. Imean the book the ruination isTalks a lot aboutcamivore but other than thatWe've never heard about camivore untilnow with smolder other than viegoobviously and like the otherchampions and the blessedisles that are from camivoreYeah, it's just it's crazy to think aboutthis is such a massivecontinent that obviously is aPretty important in the lore that likeeven if you're a bit of a lore had youmight just not even know about itYeah, you know like we'renot even read the ruinationYeah, likeIt's insane, dude. It's just like a city- you have those in the mapof camivore you have that wholeBasically unknown landsthat are attached to camivoreI mean it's a whole notherBasically all new ruin Terra on that sideof the world and all we know is camivoreWhich is basically like it's likecamivore looks at our sideand all they know is you knowLike Ionia yeah, they just see thatisland. They're like,okay, that's the other sideYeah, or just like they see like a piece,you know, like they'll see noxious butthey'd know nothing else about ruin TerraSomething like that. That's likecomparable to how we see camivoreYeah, it's it's just insane.Yeah, I love how riot definitelyIntentionally keeps their options openwith a lot of stuff like this just likehow many open-endedproblems we have in ruin TerraWe also have some open-ended landscapesthat like clearly are supposed to leadoff somewhere that we don't know yetAnd like maybe maybe even they don't knowyet, you know, like theyjust they leave it thereSo when the time comes if they want toadd, you know another freeing snowConsonant they can do that just put onthe other side of camivore. IThink that's really cool. Ithink it's very clever of themYeah, they left it like Ido feel like the blizzardBlizzard map when they first made worldof warcraft was very complete like thatwas that was AzerothYeahAnd I feel like they're intentionallywith the map of runeterraThey're showing that it's not like whenyou look at the world mapI mean you looked at world map in in theclassic while like that was the worldwhat we saw and that was the whole worldYeah with the runeterra. They'reintentional like they're intentional withthe fact that it's not the completeworld. You look at thePantheon cinematic and legends ofruneterra when heupgrades whatever. Oh, yeahHe you can see thatit's not the whole worldYeah, like if you're only seeing one faceof it and the whole other face is just wedon't know what's going on over thereYeah, even just like I'm like in the caseof like like world of war crafts in thatworld known as AzerothlikeThe thing wasn't even that like like ohlike they could have put awhole other side of the worldOn that but it would still just feel likeOkay, they just added another continent.Yeah out of nowhere out of the blueIt's just on the other sideof the world now. Yeah, butWith this case with runeterra even on theruneterra map. We still have that NorthPole South Pole, right?Where we know nothing, but we know it'sthere and I think that's so geniusYes, the implicationthat things could be thereLeaves room for us to imagine what itcould be and for right to do whatever thehell they want with it whenever they wantYes, it's just a very smart moveespecially from an MMO perspectiveWell, the North Pole South Pole like we Iknow there definitelycould be a South PoleBut that is assuming that runeterra is onlike the same axis as earthin terms of how it rotatesAnd there are some places of theFrolliard that I wouldn't be surprised orlike eternally dark, you knowOr the Sun never almostnever reaches always nighttimeI can see the frost guard Citadel in thenorth almost never gets any light and Icould see that if you knowIf it's on an axis that wouldmean that would make sure emoYou know the bottom part of the planetand closest to the Sun andthat's why it's like desert IISo that would make sense to or they coulddo it where you know, you're kind of justhalf it could definitely be halfWell, we don't knowlike it could just be likeLikeSay I imagine that that should EMA iscloser to theequator, right? Mm-hmm. YeahYeah, yeah, so yeah, like they could do awhole bottom half. Ithink you're right about thatThat would be interesting and I mean likeit makes sense. Yeah, like if we'recomparing it to earthYeah, if it's the same as I make sensegiven the fact that Frolli or it's up tothe north and it's very coldSo I could see them doing that for sureand it would make so much senseOh, they're setting themselves up sointentionally and it's so geniusAnd I cannot wait to just enter runeterrain the meantime, you know while I'mwaiting for the ride of a moWe do got bandle tail coming outWe do it's closeHow you feeling about bandle tail? I?At this point I'm just I'm just ready tostart playing like I'mready to finally exploreBandle CityInstead of just looking at pictures andmaybe that one really cool teemocinematic whereeverything's all cute. YeahAll right. I actually just walk around inBandle City. I'm I'm really glad that Ididn't have to wait for theright moment for that to happenAnd I we're getting that final riot Forgegame. They just slipped it in lastsecond. Thank goodnessDude, I'm just I'm ready to see it. Yeah,I want some fuzzy socksPotty I'm gonna sit in my basement on avery comfortable couch and I'm gonna Igot it on the switchSo I'm playing a handheld that just seemslike that. That's the vibe I'm gettingfrom that game. That'show I want to play. OhHere's a good question how accurate likehow much you think they care about theactual like geography andlocations inside ofBandle tail compared to like do you thinkthat's actually gonna be the canonical?layout ofBandle City, you know, like like do youthink the MMO will be drastically?I think it will be different obviously tosome extent because it's gonna be like a3d game compared to a top-down 2d gameBut do you think they're actually gonnakeep it like that's Bandle City?These are the like, you know iconicshops. These are wherethey're located for the most partHow accurate do you think it's gonna becompared to future titlesin the MMO specifically?Yeah, so for those who don't understandwhat he's alluding to right? He saidthere you in the gameYou're actually in a place called theyarnville, which is an isolated island.That's a part of Bandle City andI always thoughtBandle City was one placeBut this place is like an island that'sconnected to a portal that connects tothe rest of Bandle CityAnd so I do I hope thatyarnville is in the gameRight. Yeah, I think that's guaranteedalready, right? Like no, I'd be shockedif it wasn't. Yeah, Ihope I mean I feel likeThere's no reason for it not to beincluded and for people to say oh my godLook, it's yarnville in the right of amole like I did this Iexplored this back in Bandle tailThey haven't said anything about whetherBandle tail is cannon or not yet any forany perfect thing anyof the riot Forge gamesThe one that would killme is if they say Viego theRune King I would reallylike to see his cannon and it'sSentinels of light can given right? Yeah,there's so much story there that iseasily the most story denseLike game out of the riot Forgecollection to pointwhere it would be insaneSo just leave all thatthere and like leave it behindHere's what I will say.I'm very very confidentI'm as confidentI won't say that because that's a spoilerfor our Keynesian to it not everyoneknows that and I'mpretty confident in that tooBut I'm gonna say I'm so confident thatthis is all cannon and that Viego is inCamivore at the start of the riot MMO andnot in the shadow IslesBecause him being in Camivore makes moresense and there's somuch in the shadow IslesYou wouldn't need Viego to make itamazing but may putting Viego in CamivoreHe's like that one huge connection toCamivore. Obviouslynow you have some olderSo you have a couple other connections,but like being just like oh, yeah,they're Imperial dragonsThat's why we're going there versus theImperial dragons are there they havehistory with Viego andViego is trapped inCamivore in like a stasisThat sounds way betterand for the shadow islesYou can use thrash like thrash is almosthe's that kind of big bad of the shadowisles that in the dayAnd I feel like that's why that Rune KingI think will stay cannonI think the Sentinels of light all thosepeople don't like it is gonna stay cannonBecause that puts Viego ina good place for the MMO. ICompletely agreeabsolutelyYes, no, no, I'm like also like 90%certain that Rune King is gonna be cannonI hope so. I'm gonna come out with it yetbecause there's so much dude way too muchhappens to where I'm like riotDefinitely had a hand in the major plotpoints of Rune King. YeahLike people yeah, dude, here's runtera gogo ham. No, they definitely plan that outYeahthe relationship withbetween Ari and Yasuo kind ofDevelops in Rune King and then you seeyou like feel Ari's connection to herpeople and stuff when shediscovers in the shadow islesIt's take all thatback and be like, oh, yeahAri is just this lost Fox and she doesn'tknow who that Yasuo isit wouldn't feel goodYeah, yeah, exactly. It wouldfeel like we are taking awayProgress made in runtera then on way toomuch of an emotional journeyYeah, dude, that was waytoo story driven of a gamelike like I like like convergence IUnderstand like it is definitelyPretty wild what happens in that game?Yeah, and you can kind of wash it awaywith like Oh time travel nonsenseWhatever and it's the entire focus isjust one character.It's echo. Yeah, but likedude rune KingCome on that that gamethe story was runteraIt was shadow isles and build watermostly but the story the charactersSo much, dude. Yeah, IMy opinion it's cannonLike no, it's cannon for sureYeah, but do you think I was just sayinglike do you think that they're gonnastay accurate like their previous cantitles in general interms of like geography andlike landscapes like even likeruined King if they comeout and say it's cannon orlikeSong of Nunu. We know for a fact iscannon. Do you thinkwe're gonna see those like?Just locations where I was like, oh, yeahThe this was where like Nunu and Williamcamps out and saw you knew like you thinkthey're gonna go that accuratelyIt would be so I would miss opportunityif they don't yarnville. I want to yarndown a little poor Bandle CityYeah, I want to see yeahYou know like some some kind of referencein the like for exampleWe see anivia's that mountain, you knowthe winged mountain thewhole time in Song of NunuYeah, like man hasgotta be the winged mountainThat's probably itHave to see it. Then I can have that beenknown for sure in the MMO.Yeah. Yeah. No way we don't see itIt's way too cool the landmark too. Likeit's a massive landmark. You can't missit. That's like themjust forgetting the Sun disclike yeah, shootAwkwardly have this city without thefloating disc our bad guys. No, no, it'sit's gonna be therethose landmarks have to existWell depending on when they start whenthe timeline starts theSun disc might be buriedBut I also think that would be weird. Imean then then as you'reDead, I don't want to start at a pointwhere I know what's gonna happenBut I do that would bother meYeahI don't want to start apoint where I like the loreWe go back in time like the okay the loreis not caught up andat the by the same timeI don't mind not having everything like Idon't mind that I wantthe world to be as it isCurrently in the lore, you know certainthings need to be changed. Obviously,there's certain charactersthat are just kind of wayWay out there that need to be put in linekind of with the current lore, especiallywith arcane and the new the newThe new lore around hextech, but at thesame time I want the world to beLike I like how I'm saying Viego needs tobe in Camivore. I want theworld to feel as it is now andThen but I don't mind only exploring andexpanding that lore in a couple locationslike not the whole worldThat's why I meanpiecemeal the the whole worldIt doesn't need to be the entire map ofRuneterra as long as theentire map of Runeterra is thereLike I don't need to be exploring inShurima, but I don't want tothe Sun disc not to be thereLike people should be talking about theSun disc and be like, oh, yeahYou know, there's this guy Azir who rosein Shurima and like the Sun disc is back.It's crazy over thereAnd be like no way I'd love to go therelike what you can'tbecause there's an invisible wallYou can try go ahead try you just stopmoving the like yeah, wouldyou happy did you try? OkayLoser see what happensMinds just rip you apartYeah, IThink for sure they'regonna have to do someLike some likeWhat's it called?Exposition so I'm goingfor for each of the zonesfor sure because I mean like how manyLeague of Legends playersare gonna hop into this MMO andLike not know anything other than like,you know the heroes the championsSo like they're not gonnaknow what the heck Shurima isThey're not gonna know why there's agiant floating dinner plate in the sky.They're gonna need thatexplained to them in the MMOFor sure. I think that's gonna be ageneral thing for the like startingzones, especially so I think laterLike like expansions wise like we getcamivore as an expansionThey can set up to that a lot more easilyRather than us going there and thenreceiving all of like thehistory of camivore, you knowIAt least I hope so like in terms of likepre patch and stuff like thatif if they do like pre patchesThat sort of thing. I would hope so. Ihope that we know about camivoreWe know things about itbefore we actually go thereSo yeah do all the story doesn't have tobe thrown at us of whywe're going there, you knowWe're just like there we know what'sgoing on. Let's get into the actionHere are the new events that arehappening in camivore. Here's the storyprogressing. Yeah, wellThe very first like zones. Yeah, we'regonna need that stuff spoon-fed to uswhen we're going to each zone for sureI get what you're saying. So what you'resaying is that let'ssay we're in expansion oneExpansion one should be laying theframework not only for expansion twoBut expansion three and small tidbits ofexpansion four. Yeah, then the nextexpansion should be okaypreparing expansion threeExpansion a little bit more of expansionfour and then tidbits is mentioned fiveSo you got to be thinking like forexpansions ahead lorewise. Sorry, it doesn't becomeHere all the new characters is the newclasses and a new big bad that you'rejust about to meet andlet's go kick his buttLet's go over to this island. Let's doit. Yeah, that's that'swhat you want to avoidYeah, I think that's such a big issuewith MMOs like modern MMOsI've been going on for like a decade orlonger where you can tellthey're just kind of you knowThey ran out of steam awhile ago. They're still goingSo they just got thrown new stuff at youevery like every year every two yearsFor the sake of to keep the MMO going itshould feel very naturalI understand that the beginning yesDefinitely going to be a lot of setup anda lot of explaining like you're a newbornchild what every zone is in its historyBut yeah after that things just arefeeling very organicYeah, and once you fallback, it's hard to catch upYeah, you can't catch up like then you'rethen you're just always okayWe have nothing prepped for expansionfour and we're on expansion threeWe have to now lay the whole frameworkfor extension for andintroduce everythingFor sure, you're not gonna get everythingyou'd be able to like do tidbits forexpansion four and then expansion foursYou have to explain everything. That'swhat you don't want. But then if you fallback you can't recoverYep that yeah, that's the truth of it orelse you're just constantly gonna beChasing, you know like oh man, we're notat all prepared for how expansion five isgonna lead into expansion fourBut we're gonna figure it out when we getthere that does not make for a cool worldthat just makes for a new expansionHere's a question for you. So you're inthis world, right? They'retrying to give you the loreHow do you think theyshould do that and in the game?Because it has to be in the game like notnot everything can be I liked it the ideathat we had before with like riotForage kind of delving into these smallerstories that help flush out the world.That's not a thing anymoreI'm sure there's gonna be something elsethat's used for that. YeahBut yeah, how do you think they should doit in the game in the MMO toflesh out these stories? YeahThat's a good question because I think Ithink guaranteed right it runeterra isgonna be pretty story driven thereOh, yeah, there's alreadyso many characters my godJust off of League of Legends alone withthem wanting to releasea new champion, you knowEvery like couple months or so it leadsto a lot of characters in the world ofruneterra thatthey're gonna explore all ofThem at some point I think at least tosome extent. Mm-hmm. So that leads toman, like I mean obviously I think interms of a linear story, which I hopethey don't do at leastespecially for the first expansionYou know, like I think file fancy 14 doesa really good job of making a linearstory of just you'regonna have your cut scenesWhere your characters do their coollittle poses, you know, they have theirdialogues that are just gonnabe text as their mouth movesYou might have some voice-active cutscenes like, you know every like 30minutes or so you're gonna have avoice-active cut sceneSo like for what file my c14 does forwhat they want toaccomplish. I think that's greatIt's not my you know cup of tea and how Iwant to experience MMOBut if Raya wants to go that way, that'show they should do itCan then you got games like like World ofWarcraft where it's just a lot moreQuest text and if you want to skip it andget through all the story stuff and justget right into theaction with your friendsThat's cool, tooSo it's kind of it comes down to howstory driven they want to be and thatleads to a very different MMOHere's what here's yeahSo I I 100 I agree 100% like with thosetwo you have theworld feel where it's likeThey call it playground MMO Ithink or something like thatThen there's like this narrative drivenmo where it's just alinear story or theme park MMOYeah theme park MMO even though like eventhat seems to be it's like all the rideOne ride is almost anarrative driven single linear storySo just like a bunch of single linearstories combined ratherthan the actual theme park MMOWhat I what I will say is that the thingthat makes the world and eventsspecial isThat they're limited and if you miss it,you can't go back in timeIn the real world like let's say thatyour whole family is going on a trip andyou say I don't want to goYou can't regret it later and be like,oh, you know, I should havegone it would have been funLike that's it. It already passed andthat's how a world needs to feel likesometimes. Yeah, you do miss stuffI understand there's there's the mainstory plot that every player needs toexperience and it's a cool idea that okayYou know you miss this but if you want togo back and experience it youcan but at the same time, it'sif the worldCan advance and that it's like, oh, yeahThere was this world warlike in real life, you knowYou can't just go back and experienceworld war world war twoYou're not that you'd want to or worldwar one, whatever but but people willtalk about it, you knowI'd be like, oh, yeah, you know, this wasthis was a crazy thing, you know, if onlyyou were there it was a crazy timeYeah, there's a lot of veterans that youcan ask about. Yeah, that kind of thingI think it's okay for the world to moveforward, but I understand that that'sIt's hard to do because then okay nowwe're not now our content is veryHere it is and now it's gone here it isand now it's gone, butthat is how a world isThe real world so I would like to seethat and I know you can't makeit exactly like the real worldbut I would like tosee some of that whereStuff happens and it happenedThat's tough drop the line I do it we'rein the minority onthis but I totally agreeHow far would you go with thatlike IWould I would personally if this MMO wassolely for me and no one elseI'm they're making the runes harem emofor doing conquest. YeahNo, I do just once things happen. Thiscould be on a stinking likeAtmos an expansion based basis. Theycould go even further than thatLike they did the raid the raid came outyou did the raid or you didn't do theraid and that raid is doneYou're saying it's gone. Like that's it.Like you can't go back.You missed it. You missed itYeah, absolutely like like like alright,you know, there's some like awesome stuffthat happened in camivoreAll right, we got through the raids. Wekilled the big bad. He's dead. You can'tgo back and kill him.He's dead. We killed himThat would definitelymake the world feel like veryReal and moving forward and very sad. Idon't like you want to feel acertain way in a character diesThat's how you will feel sad when acharacter dies becausethey're actually out of the gameYeah, you will feel the death like youcan't just go back andrerun the raid and be likeOh, yeah, that was so sad when he diedlike men when arthas dies atthe top of ice crown citadelLike that's it like the guyjust died. Yeah, it's goneI would actually like the expansion yougo there and you can't art this isn'tthere because what do you mean?They already fought like in the art case,you know, yeah, youyou were in the camivoreYou're fighting your work, whateverfiguring out this Viego stuffBut you can't go back tothe shadow aisles and revisitYou know thrushes area and see thrushjust chillin there because it's now theblessed aisles andshadow aisles is no moreYeah, yeah, like that's it shadow aislesis done. You can read about itI've heard me a billion YouTube videospeople doing the fightsyou can you can see it allBut you can't just gothere and fight thrushMan, the story happened the world'smoving on you got otherthings to do. All right. HeyI'll say this like I think more playerswould be invested in what'shappening. That's that's trueYou would definitely hook people a lotmore because they're likeman, you know, I don't reallyLike I don't really want to play thisraid. I just want to kind of skip it. Butat the same time like if I skip itThat's it. Man. All casuals are gonnahate this. But look I'm a casual dudeto be honestBut yeah, but that'sthat's really about likeYeah, exactly. It is just like I don'tknow do like why do youhave FOMO in the first place?Can you really not just walk away fromthe game if you don't feel like playingit and then be okaythat you didn't experience?Everything in the gameWell, it makes a better product at theend of the day for it. Like I personallythink it makes a better productBut yeah, that's just me. IThink it's well worth it of just you knowbeing able to come backto the game and be likeOh what happened since I last you know,like was in Runeterra. It's like oh man,dude this zone that you were in beforeYeah, you that's theBlessed Isles now what?What happened? Oh there it's there's agood. Yeah. Oh the world changed. It'salmost like this is aliving breathing placeThat's wild. I just thinkit'd make for a much moreLike it would make for so much more amagical immersive MMOThat's just me. That's my ifyou want to complain about FOMOComplain about when they released thediscounts for the store cosmetics andthey're limited in timeOr they're cycling through items that aregonna leave the store forever and you'llnever be able to get to meThat's when you can complain about FOMO,but when you could notthe world advancing, okayThat's when I want to see the FOMO peoplecome out. They never comeout for that. Where they at?whenever that's happening everyone'ssilent and they're allrunning around with theirtheir Imperial dragon leading into theCamivore expansion andThere's only one puredragon makes no no freakin senseTheir expansion packstheir Imperial dragon mouthBut then you know when it comes to thisstuff now everyone comes out says oh ifyou're missing out this stuffThis is catering to the elitist like Iwish people knew that I mean you'reactually casual playersWe're very 100% casual. I wouldabsolutely miss out on stuffYeahStuff that I would miss that I would wishI would have done because I'd be like ohThat's a really cool armor set wish I gotthat one from that expansionYou know from oh man that that Freljordarmor set that's sick. This dude's allcovered in like true ice armorThat's so freakin cool. I wish I didthat. Oh, well, I'm doing this right nowThis is really cool. If I go to Freljordnow, it's different things have changedThe watchers are not even more aware thatthat place is turning tohell. That's really coolThat's way cooler than mehaving the armor set. Yes100 hundred andthousand billion percent lookThis is how you knowme and you are casualThere hasn't been even a piece of newsout on the right of my mo really otherthan the announcementthat they're making a moAnd it's based on rune Tara. It's theonly news we have andit's taking us close to 20How many episodes are we on right now?What episode is this? Isn't this like 11well? Well, it's taking us 12 episodesJust to get up to that point like by thetime that by the time the game actuallycomes out like when the game isActually out we'd probably be a horriblesource of informationbecause we'd be missing everythingOh, yeah, okay. Absolutely. Sadly, weboth have like, you know, like likefull-time jobs and responsibilitiesWe're gonna play in thisgame casually for sure. YeahEvery second of it. OhWe'll be your casual podcast for thecasual players. We're not gonna gothrough like mythic plusStatistics and how best to do that'snever gonna be us. Like we're probablygonna be like, yeah, broWe didn't kill thosemushrooms. Yeah, I got this mushroomAwesomeYeah, we're gonna be talking about howlike how like like echoes clothes havechanged a slightlydifferent tint of like of brown nowYeah, you'll never be able to go back andsee that other tint againand like how sad that isEcho's hair seems to have grown like twoinches that indicates thatyou know from compared to aArcane season two this is at least liketwo years from that, you know, he'sclearly growing it out a little bit. IReally want to see that though. I wantthat that is kind of the revolutionarystuff that I'm looking forI want to see theworld and the characterschangelike I want to see smolder smolder needsto grow with the with the game new newnew is apparently a big characterI want to see new new agent to like thisjust beastly goes from this kid to justlike this beastly FroyardianWarrior, you know, he's just this likehe'll he used to throwsnowballs now he throws axesOkayAnd new new and it will um kind ofchanges with him like newnews and like he's kind of thisHe's still this Yeti, but at the sametime, you know now they're now they'redealing with real real stuffLike before it was kind of okayThey're childish having fun and stuffkind of always has thisthis light heartfelt feelBut the Froyard is dark and I want to seenew new willump have to go through thatand come out on the other sideLike and willump clearly has a scar onhis eye and he'smagic. So it makes no senseYes, no, yeah, I completely agreecharacters I'm especially for an MMOcharacters to changeRight. Like I mean like I think luckilywell World of Warcraft tries to do thatBut I feel like not too successfully justbecause I don't care about the charactersanymore. That's just myPersonally for me. It hasn't worked yet.Yes, I like you know, even found my c14does a pretty good job with thatthe characters actuallyChange personality, you know, likethey're not like like oneday the snarky guy, you knowLike five years in to this MMO. He's notthe snarky guy anymore. All rightHe's been through some stuff. OkayYou're gonna be a little more like likelike like broody alittle more like, you knowEmotional a little more like a drinkingwar veteran. Yeah, youknow, I go hard on thatIt has to be maybe we're just becausethat's what we like like welike to see that kind of stuffBut I do think you have to go you can gothe other direction to you know, ViegoLike originally he's kind of like thisthis mopey guys all about going know thisbut maybe I don't knowI like I just like to see like to seecharacters change and I think we keepgoing back to the exampleThey're going through some shit and theycome out dark. Yeah, they're goingthrough so hard now. Yeahremember what he smiled IThink it's like I love new noon willbecause of how old some they are rightnow and I'm a yordle fanAll right. I like me some some cutie holesome stuff. I like mea little furball peoplebut like in a world where we got like,you know, the rune wars andlike Aurelion soul coming after us andThe shadow Isles. There's a lot of darkstuff here. I think naturally asThe characters age most of them are goingto go into that archetypeI think everyone's gonna go throughsomething at some point in the world ofRuneterra like that's inevitableSo I feel like youknow, I give anything thoughLike they'll probably introduce morecharacters in the future, right?And those carriers will have like, youknow, they're childlike personality ortheir snarkiness that kind ofstuff or just like, you knowthey're general like ignorance of likethe world around them and stuff likethat, but that probablywon't stick around for aCharacter that's been around for like afew years. You know, Iimagine echo won't always beLike the the overconfident kid that he isnow. Yeah, we've seen thatlike with his adult versionHe's very cynical and very like yeah,this not everything works out echoLike he's always talking down to hisyounger self and he's like sometimes youhave to make thetough decisions, you knowCuz he's been through some stuff and helearns from his younger self to that, youknow, UK not everything needs to beUnused sometimes you do need to depend onother people and you need to hear otherpeople's perspectives that kind of thingSo he learns a little bit from hisyounger and he changesand his younger self changesBut they they change throughout the wholegame like towards the end.They're kind of they've bothShifted a little bit in terms of how theyview the zone and tilt over and thiswhole dynamic that's going on thereAnd that's that's what makes the gamegreat. But I feel like I'm a most dosuffer from that wherecharacters kind of stagnateThey just kind of stay the same the wholetime and I would like tosee them change even thoughOkay, you know you go back and playLeague of Legends because that game'snever gonna die andsmolders still this little dragBut in the memo, no, he's not anymore.He's kind of grown up. It's older samewith noon and WilliamMaybe you can release a scan of themolder, but they still throw snow. Yeswhat I was thinking too, right?Like that's that's inevitable except likeI don't know how they're probably gonnakeep like the model exactly the sameLike I think it'd be weird if they keptnew to small but older andmaybe William just gets biggerThey'll have to go babywith that. They still workaVery possible I they get creative withit. But yeah, I I definitely see thatconflict and I'm like that's a okayLike the League of Legends champions canstay the way they are forever. That'sperfectly fine as long as theyActually grow in the world of RuneterraI'm perfectly fine with that there therecan be some conflicts in the MOBA. Allright, it's not verystory driven game. So IDo think that right now the champions soright now we know thatthere's an MMO coming outThat's why I take like a little bit of anextra look at these championsBecause I feel likethey're building out a little bitThey're like filling in missing piecesand they're connecting. Sofor example, you have the MBSMedarda who's from arcane andObviously a lot of people watching arcanewho don't even know League of Legends whonever played League of LegendsWhen MMO comes out thebig oh, yeah, I pilt overI remember that place that show wasawesome. But then the now they'reintegrating these familiar charactersThey're making them champions and nowthey're gonna have their own stories thatare fleshed out that they can incorporateinto them out smolderI didn't even I don't think I'm prettyconfident like 99.99% sure I've neverseen anything aboutImperial dragons for CamivoreUntil now I don't remember anything aboutdragons in Camivore everand then now all of a suddenThere's these Imperial dragons that aregoing on in Camivore and we have this onedragon that happens to be inRuneterra and not in Camivore right now.He's like in in Noxus where we canconnect with him andHis whole his ending is I want to returnto the ancestral home to usher in a newgolden age for CamivoreIt's like wowThis seems like very muchThey're setting up stuff like I'm excitedto see that MBS Medarda pageand see what she's setting upLike is she is she gonna mentionsomething, you know, what if she if shementions like, oh, you knowOne day I want tofreakin take a style for NoxusI'm like, oh not a style ish style ishstyle for Noxus and likethat like I'll be like wowThat's a setup but I feel like thesmaller was added to set upthat when you have way in IoniaHe was there, you know, he's kind ofadding to the Jin lore andhe explores an island thatReally knows noThere's no lore on it goinginto the into his characterAnd so right now instead of kind ofadding characters to what's thereThey're like building out even more ofthe world and exploring new places andexploring new templesand adding to what's thereAnd I feel like it's almost like they'relooking at their I don't knowI can't speak internally, but it feelslike they're looking at the map andthey're saying there's nothing hereWe need to add something we need to add anew place and I know and I for exampleThey need to add a new place in Ioniabecause there's there's not enough weneed to add like a new okayWell, let's let's make a champion to andtie him to that placeI there's lore around it and they'relike, well, we don't have enough time tomake like the temples and stuffThey're like, it's fine. We'll justdestroy it all and it exploded and thenJin Jin came and justNuked the whole thing and he left. So nowjust make some ruinsThey're like, okay great use the reusethose for where camivore boomObviously the end was just messing aroundbut I do feel like newer champions areHelping flesh out the world for the rideon mo especially in smolders caseintentionallyLike they're saying andone day when he is readyHe will return together to the ancestralhome to usher in thenew Golden Age of camivoreWe are going to see that one day likethat's like, you knowYou show the night you show the the swordyou have to use it inwhatever they call it inIn movies you have to you show the knifeyou have to use it somethinglike that. You show the daggerYeah, no, there's a thing for thatYeah, me too then it's like the one thingOkay, that's the only thing we get fromfilm class. But it'slike they show the daggerYou have to use the dagger at some pointwithin a certain amount of timeI don't know whatever it isbut I think that that's what they'redoing now if they're showingthe dagger with smolder andEventually, we will seethat one day in the MMO. OhYeahNo, that's somethingI'm like at this pointCamivore feels like a given right? I wasalready the most like confident like yeahThis will be an expansion at some pointbut smolder really pushit over the edge thereThey're showing their hands nowYeah, and I I love that like in generalwith the champions that they add toLeague of Legends at this pointEspecially most recently. I feel likethey they add characters with purposeLike they the character is not just oh,here's another character in IoniaThis is an Ioniancharacter. That's like all they areYou know, like oh, this is their gimmickand that's it but like no theyImpact runeterra just by existing. Yeah,that's definitely what smolder is doingExactly setting us. Yeah,he is giving us more loreJust from his reveal alone and we haven'teven like we don't knowanything about him yetOther than like the the given lore thatwe've just gotten off ofhim immediately after his dropYeah, it's like yeah, they makecharacters very intentionally for thesake of the world as a wholeRather than just addingcharacters to flush out the worldYeah, especially with this warconsolidation thatthey're trying to go throughThey're trying to get all the loretogether into one uniformif they're adding a championYou know that that champion falls intothat uniform cannon because they're notgonna release something andthen have to change it laterThat makes no sense at all. So smolders.Lore is smolders loreAnd so this whole thing atthe end that lack that last lineIt's 100% intentional.It's 100% foreshadowingIt's adding a teaser and a teaser to whatit's obvious the Golden Age of CamaphorYeah, it's it's genius. Oh justRiots like writing teamwhenever they add stuff like thisDude, I as if there aren't already enoughloose ends in runeterra, right? LikeLike they gotta add a whole nother thingabout this dragon that's gonna bereturning to cam of war now and like ohmy god, dude, it's justMan, oh man, they're setting up a wholelot and so far have resolved absolutelynothing and that hasn't very excitedYeah, there's so much story that that'scoming that we don't evenknow which direction we can goBut they all look likegood directions to meYeah, they're all like completelyseparate from each other like what thesmolder have to do with Acacia nothingBut we're gonna have todeal with Acacia eventuallyYou knowlike they're all insanely differentproblems insanely different likeJust plots that we're gonna have to getthrough at some point and I can't wait. Ilike the MMO is just dudeThis is all I I feel like I'm so justright. I'm a mo brainedThat's my family my phoneAnd I'm a mo I think we're feeding off ofeach other to a little bit nowWe definitely we definitely gas eachother up when it comesto a riot MMO related LordWe're holding a tank of copia and we keeppassing it between each other. YeahAnd then we're and then I'm refilling itand you're refilling it. Yeah, seriouslyguys League of Legendsonly exists for the riot MMOThey made League of Legends to advertisethe right MMO later.That's what they're doingThis was all planned for freaking 12years or whatever how long the League ofLegends games, you knowAll according to planWell, it's seriously at this point. It'swhat it feels like. It's so just what I'mso in my head about itAnd I can't wait forthis right. I'm a momI just can't wait forthe first piece of news manThe first piece ofnews is gonna set me offLike I'm already on copium the firstpiece of news when theyannounced that it's just runeterraThe name of the MMO is just runeterraThat's the name. Wait, did I ever searchruneterra calm? What does that do?Is there like well take me to legends ofI think it took me to legends ofruneterra, right? YeahI'm pretty sure it's what it did before Ithink even like worldof runeterra, right?World of runeterra, I think took me tothe right. I'm amopage. Let me see world ofRuneterraDot-com I think world of yeah world ofruneterra takes you to we're making anMMO the recruitment page for riot gamesRuneterra comm takes you to playruneterra comm which isthe legends of runeterra gameAll right, I don't know about you but Ifeel like world of runeterra just alittle too close to world of warcraftYeah, it isThey're they're they're they're touchingtoo much. I don't likethat. I don't like it eitherI should I think simple is always better.Take out the world take out the of youdon't need it. Just call it runeterraThis is the game. He's called runeterranot welcome to the world of runeterra.Welcome to runeterraYeah, where are you going world of work?No the game. Welcome tothe world. Welcome to the airExactly. Just call the game runeterra.It'd be like world wargonna be called Azeroth. ILike that it's good. It's good. It's realgood. It's real good. It's it's real goodI mean, I get like world of warcraft wasobviously like just to get people toknow. Hey, this is war craftsLike yeah, played war craft before thisis world of war craftBut we go for runeterra legendsWorld of League of Legendsworld of League of LegendsIJust runeterra is all you need I meanlike hey they're already brave enough toDraw I mean like they already do kind ofplaster League of Legends on till thereare other titles, right?Like yeah, I think don't they always dolike oh like convergencea League of Legends storyYeah, they usually do that. Yeah, thatone does they already kind of fast. YeahI think the riot for yougames in general kind of do thatBut at the same time they are braveenough to just callthe game like convergenceYeah, they don't callLeague of Legends convergenceAnd I think that would actually help itsell butter, but you have to think forthe longevity not for like the initialJust bumpYeah, dude, that's so true. One thing Ithink is so genius about them is thatthey really are playing that long gameYeah, they are like like they they areusing League of Legendsto push like the worldBut they're not claiming that the worldis League of Legends. You know what Imean? Yeah, they arebuilding up runeterraThey are not building up like the Leagueof Legends world. Yeah, and I for thelong game. That's so geniusDude, it's awesome. They're shifting thatthat dynamic. Yeah, like they're shiftingwhat they're known for Ifeel I like eventually they're gonna beKnown for Oh League of Legends is like ohthat that's their flagship titleI think it always will be but that's agame part of runeterra, you know, IThink that's what they're going for. Ithink it's such a genius moveBecause they can't theycan't live off of thatCrutch of League of Legends foreverbecause they're not gonnaattract new players that wayEveryone already knows about League ofLegends. Everyone who wants to playLeague of Legends isplaying League of LegendsYeah, so them kind of just like puttingit there to be like,yeah. Yeah, we made that gameBut it's not everything we are is a verysmart move. Yeah, surprisinglyI mean legal is still getting new playersall the time, but likeand you're right that it'sYou have to use they have to use whatLeague of Legends has given them which isyou know, this huge podium to grow andExpand and create other titles and thisuniverse that's built outoff of League of LegendsWell, they can you know if you ifobviously for games juststicks with League of LegendsLet's say they never released riot forgeneral least legends of runeterra likethey wouldn't never releasewhatever wilder if anythingteam fight tacticsValorant now, it's not really based onthat doesn't matter but they just younever use that platformThey wouldn't even be close to beingcapable of making an MMO right nowOh, yeah keep growing and that's whatthey're doing so they have to do that forsure one thing that I do want to say tooHave you been to you know, the if youtype in world of runeterrajust to get to the right of a moWebsite where the word making an MMOThat picture I love that picture so much.I feel like it's that perfectThey knew what they were doing like lookat this person, right?They clearly look they didn't even didn'teven make her look cool like this mainperson in the middle. She's got a woodenSword she's got that green cloak. That'slike your starting cloak when you firstcreate your characterHer pants are like that, you know thatfirst quest she got those bootsShe like delivered some mail and she gotthose crappy boots thatthey don't do anythingBut it's plus one stamina.That's what she's wearingLike her backpack is not like herbackpacks way too big, you know becauseshe doesn't have any storageShe hasn't reached the bank yet. So she'sjust trying to hold on to everythingIt is the ultimateperfect image forEntering the world of runeterra likethat's what they're giving me. I feellike I look at the imageI'm like, wowThat's what it'll feel like to finally bewhen you enter runeterraand you're walking on DamaciaLike there's all these guards the city'salive and she's just like her draw isdropped and she's looking upYou know just like whoaYeah, we got the city Damacia. No, ICompletely agree. It's like they the veryfirst like piece of art we see for theright mo is a very humbleCharacter. Yes. Yes. That's the rightword very happy about that. Yeah, that'sthe right way. That's dudeThat's the best part of any MMO for me.It's not not what I'mlooking like some dragon godMm-hmm, but I think I think we've alreadytalked about this to death for GodI I can't stress it enough how much Ilove to just look likea normal like adventureNormal mage normal warrior, whatever theheck I end up being I want to look likeJust another one of thoseone of many one warrior of manyBut I obviously like personalized, youknow, like that's that's mythat's my my yordle, you knowHe's dressed up the way I want my yodellooks he looks cool.Yeah, but like in the dayHe's still just just a yordle warrior.It's all he is. I like to do swing thatsword. Yeah, I love thatexactlyWe always go back to thisexact point all the timeAnd I yeah, and I feel like I can'tstress it enough, dudeI'll talk about it till the day I dieI want to be a humble adventurer becausethat's when the world feels the biggestit feels the most dangerousAnd it feels the most like you gotta talkto other people to accomplish your goalsis when you're justanother another adventurer, dudeYeah, she's not ready to she's not readyto do anything thatyou know, she's barelyShe's like ready to hit a target dummy,but she's not evenready to leave Demacia yetBut then you have these guards on thesides of her, you know, they're like walkand they look they're nothingNo one's like or like crazyUp there kind of thingBut you can think of what she's lookingat is maybe you knowI always the way I'm looking at is likeshe's the kind of this novice characterShe's looking at something that is youknow, what she wants to obtaineventually, right? We werejust looking like a guild thingYeah, like I'm like heroic statue or whoyeah. Yeah, that's she isWhere I want to start and I feel likethey understand that and the fact thatshe's looking in aweIt's something kind of shows like youthey want you to I hope this is obviouslyreading a line to the imageYeah, this is readingway too much into the imageBut hear me out hear me out theyintentionally made her onelook very novice very newShe's very basic in the world and inDemacia. Yeah, she's actuallyYeah, she blends in with the rest of thecity. She's just there. She's not likelooking down at anyoneShe's actually looking up at somethingthat she's you know wants to obtainSo I feel like they hit everything that Iwant an MMO, which is that one you canrecognize people for what they areShe is a novice andshe looks like a novice- yeah that you're you'reblending in with the worldYou're not you're not like sticking outthe player character is a part of theworld and not making the worldAnd then three she's looking at somethingthat she wants toobtain it wants to get toLike maybe could be like a playercharacter up there with some nice armorThey just got from the raid and an actualsword that's not woodenand she's looking at thatWow, you know, maybe I'll do that one daywhen I get some better pantsOkayThey could have gone adifferent direction, right?They could have put instead of this theycould have had a person perched on astoop and it's likeyou're entering the rightMMO and he's perched up there lookingcool and he's looking down at Damacy andhe's about to enter Damaciaand show everyone what's upThey didn't choose to do that. Yeah, likehe's not there. She's on the street.There's dirt around her. YeahYeah, I literally compare this toJust about any other like form of likeriot related likeRentera related like art right?I like the champions or of thelandscapes. Yeah,everything is not a champion veryYeah, everything's really very likepowerful very strongBut this is one of the very few caseswhere they went super understated witheverything in this imageEven the city itself this like likeDamacia in this image looks very coolBy the day it just it just looks like acool fantasy city. Yes,like it's this like insanePowerful structure. Yeah, it's like anawesome city that you're gonna get toexplore. Yeah run around in itYou're gonna see some cool like some coolbuilding some cool shopsIt's gonna be awesome. It's an awesomecity nailed it with your entering thecity and guess what?You're not anything the guards are theone who are protecting you and the onlyreason you're alive with your woodensword is because of theseLook at the they putthree guards around herCuz this girl got nothing like they she'snothing in the worldLike there's there's a and they even thelittle stuff. There's a little the boyrunning after his dogThere's some lady walking arounddelivering mail hundred percent playersshould be in the worldBut I do think you know with with howtechnology would it as advanced?I don't want to see aguard just walking aroundin his in his linear pathLike oh, yeahthis guy just walks there and then hewalks up and then he walks left and thenhe walks back and then if you talkTo him he says hey, and then you knowgoes about his day like itshould be a little bit moreA little bit more alive, youknow, like okay. Yeah a guardI guess the guards inreal life do kind of do thatSo maybe that was a bad example, but likethe boy taking chasing his dogI don't want to see the boy chasing hisdog all the time. Like canhe catch him at one point?yeah, can he go home and and you know,he's good goes home tohis mom and has like aNormal life. I want that's what I want tosee almost like what cyberpunk promisedRemember cyberpunk promising like theseday and night cycles of thesecharacters living their livesThis lady in delivering mail. I don'twant to see herdelivering mail every single timeI entered Demacia where she's neversuccessful. She's always just deliveringthat one piece of mail andshe's always a bag full of mailStanding in front of the same mailbox.Yeah, I don't want tosee that I want to see likeYeah, she delivers mail andthen she goes and does thisShe has like a day and night cycle kindof thing where shedelivers the mail every morningAnd then she goes abouther day the rest of this timeShe'll go to the market and she'll dosome shopping you black. Whoa. I just sawthat lady delivering mailNow she's shopping for pairsYeah, dude, it could literally just belike they have three different routinesThat would be enough that like yeah. Yeahexactly like like oh todayShe's just doing daily routine number twoand it's just randomized. Yeah, that's itI'd be so happy with it because therewould still be somany different charactersAll doing different things that arechanging throughout the day and it's notthe same exact thing over and over againThat's like that's all I need you dude.It could literally just be like some likecopy paste stuff like okayHere's here's the mail lady in DemaciaShe basically does the same thing as themail lady in BilgewaterJust different spots for the mailboxesand she goes to adifferent shop. Yeah, that's itThe shop owner should not be happy withthat with everythingThe shop owner should not just bestanding behind the counter all daywaiting for you to interactwith a stupid look on his faceHe should be just staring at the wall.Yeah, he's a blacksmithlike you walk in there. SureSometimes he's standing behind thecounter. Sometimeshe's sitting on a chairSometimes he's doing some otherblacksmith stuff becausehe's a frickin blacksmithAnd then there's other times where yeahwhen you go up to thecounter and do something yetHe'll walk back there andbe like how can I help you?Or welcome, you know like you walk intothe store, you know whole walk up orwhatever I think that'sIt's kind of what I'm thinkingLike I think the Witcher does a great joband they're not using you knowThe technology of today to do it theWitcher feels like when you enter a cityI mean, it's a city and it's alive andpeople are doing thingsYeah, I even like my first thought was umwas the Legend of Zelda Majora's MaskYeah, that's just kind of like apermanent three-daycycle. Yeah in those three daysYeah, you're gonna find people indifferent places all the timeBecause like they they live out there.They're a three-day lifebefore you know, they dieOkay, yes, I'm with you I'm stilltracking like like yeahduring those three daysYeah, you're gonna find this dude with abig mustache standingnext to the clock towerThe next day you're gonna find him in thefruit market, you knowAnd it's just little stufflike that. I go such a long wayWell, there is literally just have themin different locations at differentpoints in time would be immenseYes, this is the wayokay, well we didn't weso all we touched on wasPretty much we hit the smolder topic,which I wanted to talk about smolderwhich turned into a huge tangentAnd then we talked we did not talk aboutcross characterprogression or anything like that. SoWe have to save all that stuff for thenext we hit all ourtalking points, I think yeahYeah, I think we got them all and gotthem all. Yeah. Yeah. Good work. Yeah.Well fresh list next weekYou know, it's always gonna be the samelist and then we'rejust running a tangentImagine when we actuallyhave content that's the problemThat's gonna be a serious issue if theyrelease more than oneSmall minute piece of like news aboutthis MMO. It's gonna be problematic.They'll take us like 10weeks to get through it allYeahSo we'll talk more about the image forthe right. I'm a website and nextThat's all we could have made a wholeepisode just about thatimage now and keep looking at itThey know what they're doing100% man, I'm so excited.All right, so in seriousnessI hope you enjoyed this episode and wewill continue this conversation in thenext one right here inthe brazen Hydra pub inBilgewater you can find me and Grove onsocials and YouTube and you can find meat conquest 95 on TwitterAnd to stay at the on this podcastspecifically you can follow us at thebrazen Hydra on TwitterYou can add us questions to just tops totalk about you can also findus at the brazen Hydra calmThanks for stoppingby and we'll see you inRuneterraNo, no, I'm just joking we will see youin the next one cuz run tears a long wayaway you thought we were gone. Goodbye

The Brazen Hydra

#12 - RIOT MMO SMOLDER effect, Bandle Tale, CAMAVOR, World Progression, and MORE!

Listen to this podcast on