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Hello and welcome to the creakingsalt-soaked cables of theBrazen Hydro Pub in Bilgewater.We're your hosts and Grovend, conquest,and today we'll be sharing apint and talking all thingsRuneterra and beyond. So, VandalTale isout and about. We'll talkabout RideMMO, expectations,what kind of timeline we're looking atright now with 2XKO comingout in 2025, and what are ourthoughts? You know, now all the footageis out, there's a lot morefootage going around of 2XKO.Talk a little bit about the beta that'scoming up. Let's start offwith nice and easy. Let's set upsome VandalTale because I'm still runningthrough VandalTale. I wantto know your thoughts on thegame overall and then where you're atright now in the game.Yeah, I haven't played too muchsince our last podcast since those twoare pretty close together.So, I'm still chilling inYarnville tutorial land, but I do want totalk a little bit aboutthe way the item managementand the crafting works in that gamebecause I like how it's very, verycasual, right? This feels likea very soft RPG. I can kind of appreciatethat. I really like how I,I, I, I, not expecting thisgame to be too long, right? My guess isit's going to be like, it's very long.How many hours are yougoing to be doing right now? I don'tknow. You want me to check? Yeah. Let mecheck. Here, let's check.I think, I think I'm going to be likemax. Like this is going to be like, likeyour average 10 hourgame, right? No. That's what I wasthinking it was going to be. How do you,isn't there a way to see,I think there's a, hold on, there's a wayto see like play time. Ohyeah, you're on Switch. Yeah,there's definitely a way. Yeah, I'm at,I'm at 25 hours or more. Holy crap. Doyou think you're likeclose to the end? Yeah, yeah. I'm nearingthe end. Like do you see the, uh, yeah,yeah, no, it's a lot.And I, and I honestly, like if you want100% did this, there's evenmore, like I haven't reallydone much fishing yet and you probablydon't even know what thatis, but I got to do a bunch offishing. Oh no, yeah. I got already triedlike, you know, they show likea fishing spot and it's like,oh, I can't fish yet. You know, theyalready hit me with that. So now youdon't really have to fish,but I want to fish, but like, no, thegame gets pretty big and itkeeps getting bigger and thestuff gets a little bit more complex.Like, you know, you start out where,okay, I get some yarn.Now I take the yarn and I weave it intothis. And then I use that tocreate some cloth. It's likesuper simple, but then it gets into like,you start having to come combine magicand heat and all thisstuff to create something that you thenuse to create somethingelse. And then even like cooking,bro, cooking, cooking becomes frickingfire. Like I startedgetting, I like it. Hey, you know,overcooked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'sovercooked. It gets tothat level where you're like,you're running around, you're trying tojuggle a bunch ofdifferent things. You got a couplethings turning in the pot. You gotanother thing that's, that's beinggrinded up while you'recooking something else. And you got twothings sitting on the platebecause you know, someone'sgoing to order that stuff and that stufftakes time. So no, thecooking gets interesting,especially like late in the late game.Like the, the later recipes aremulti-step, you know?My God, dude. Yeah. I guess this game isall about the crafting, right?So yeah, even cooking is crazy later on.I just didn't expect it tobecause the game comes off asvery, you know, like not intense. They'renot expecting, you know,players with experience tolike expect a difficult game, you know,new people who are notfamiliar with video gamesand come into this and play it. It seemslike they have a goodtime. Yeah. It eases you in.It doesn't, it's not like all of a suddenit just spikes up. It'svery gradual, you know,like, okay, you learn how to create thecloth and then you use that cloth tocreate something else.Then you combine that thing that youcreated with like some magicthing while you're creating itto make something else. You know, it'slike it builds up to thepoint and you're like, whoa,I'm doing a lot. And I have like threethings being crafted at the same time.And you have like a little workshop andeverything's moving. It gets cool.Oh, man. Okay. Do you have the bag? Yeah,yeah. You have a backpack yet?Um, I think I literally like just got thebackpack. For sure.That's where the backpack.The backpack is fun. It does feel likeyour home and you customize itand stuff and you make it howyou want. It's cute. Oh, yeah. I had afeeling that's like, oh,it's okay. It's some playerhousing that you can just take with you.So yeah, I talked aboutthat a little bit in theapplicability to the MMO. Yeah, becauseit feels like you make it your ownand you unlock stuff based on what you'redoing in the game andyou use like what in game,what you earn to make your house look alittle bit more unique and more you.Uh, it's it's it does feel like it's yourhouse. Like your house isunique. My house is looksprobably nothing like how your house willlook at the end. And theway I arrange things iscompletely different than the way you'regoing to arrange things.And you and it gets your housegets bigger. Like it starts out. I can'teven believe how small itstarted compared to whereI'm at now. Like my my knitting house ispretty significant.Yeah. Oh, I assumed honestly,just like somebody was going to stay thatsize. But I think it'salso because I assumed it wasgoing to be a really short game. This isI assumed that too.Yeah, I was fully expectingthis can you want the smaller riot forgetitles? Like I thought theywere going out with just likea oh, yeah, and he's our last title. Butit sounds like theyreally this is a full fledgedyet another riot forge banger. Yep. Andit doesn't end. It just keepsgoing. Like you think, okay,this has to be the end. And there's awhole another level. And even though tellyou like you thoughtit was over. Started and I'm like, I didthink it was over. Ireally thought that was the end.Oh, my God, dude. I do really like thethe experience system. Ithink that's very. Yeah.Yeah. I love the experience system. Yeah,it just gives you areason to try and do everythingand just wander around aimlessly becauseyou get rewarded fordoing just about anything.You know what? And there's no leveling,but I do feel like stronger now,much stronger now than I did at thebeginning. And I wonder iflike, man, maybe in the rightamount, do you think I always wonderabout new ways that they could dosomething like levels isa big problem in the most that I played.I agree. What if we didaway with the problem?It's hard to find a good solution becauseremoving levels creates awhole lot of other problemsthat you would have to, you know, youneed to address a lot of,you know, things in terms ofprogression and what makes the playerfeel good, what makesthem want to play the game,what makes them feel like their characteris getting stronger ifyou take away levels.There's an answer there. I just don'thave it. But I think Ithink the best of them out therewill will do away with them. We'll doaway with levels. Igenuinely think that I thinkhorizontal progression in general, likeBandle Tail is a lot moreexciting than the linear levelsystem that every MMO has. But alsoBandle Tail in its case,it's a single player game that'sentirely contained with the beginning andend. Right. Yeah. They'renot having to constantlyexpand this game and add new new tiersfor, you know, each of yourskills and that kind of stuff.Yeah. Like this kept going. Yeah,exactly. They they map out. They're ableto map out the wholething before, you know, the content phaseof the game even starts interms of like developmentcycle. So with MMOs to make somethinglike the way Bandle Tailmakes your character strongerwithout necessarily making your characterobjectively better isit's a big task, but Ithink it's possible. Definitely. I hopeRiot takes some riskswith their MMO like that.Because at this point, we have FinalFantasy 14. We have World of Warcraft.They're still running.They still exist. What's the reason tostart a new MMO? What'sthe reason to go to riots?So yeah, it has to be different. Yeah,they got to take some risks for sure.They got to, you know,break the mold if they want to get upthere with the with the Goliaths thatexist now in the MMOspace, especially in general. Like ifthey're just going for theMMO audience, they're gonnalose out. It won't be worth it. Right.The MMO audience is reallylike, the audience is likedecently large, especially with FinalFantasy 14. But it's just notenough to invest in like sixyears of development to make this massivegame when like, hopefullyupdates to League of Legendswon't be making more than the MMO. Youknow what I mean? They'regonna have to reach like amainstream audience. They're gonna haveto reach the casual gamer inevery genre, you know, they'regonna want to hit the frickin fortnightplayers if need be. Yeah, solike they, and if they wantto break out of the MMO audience, whichthey should, they'regonna have to take some risks.And that's one risk I think they shouldtake. And I think Bandletailproves that you can do thatkind of thing. Man, there's there's somuch stuff that they coulddo differently than how thingsare done today. I do feel like levelingfor one is one of thosethings. Travel has to be a bigpart the way they get around the map. Nofaction system, althoughthat's not a new thing. I don'teven I think a faction system would be.Yeah, I like I really likethe order hall system. We'vetalked about this and World of Warcraftlike we're not I'm notsaying reinvent the wheel.There's certain things that should stay.We talked about the HolyTrinity. That's something that I dothink should stay and should definitelybe a part of the MMO. But I would likethem to I want I wantto be shocked a little bit. Like I wantto hit I want to hit a littlebit of like I joined the MMO.And I'm like, my gosh, like nothing of myMMO experience really translates here.And I feel like it's it's a totally freshuncharted water. The biggest problem.I'll let you respondto that first. And then I and then I wantto go I want to talk toyou about this. But go ahead.Okay, I was gonna say I totally agreethat I'm what you said thatlast thing was totally what Iwas gonna say is like, I want to go intosome of them. And it betternot be like, okay, these are mytalent points. Okay, this is my level, myexperience bar. Oh, here I gotreputations. Okay, okay. Oh,I'm this class. Okay, so I'm probablygonna have. Okay, this is my meter,right? Okay, yeah, I usethese abilities. Okay, got it. You know,because any other mode thatI play right now will give methat feeling except maybe like freakingRuneScape, right? Where thatgame's just totally different.But most MMOs are going to feel like,like, was it like World of Warcraft andEverQuest before it,you know, those two titles are really theones that created theMMO space that we know now.And I think it's time for a change forsure. It's been a decade now.Yeah, and what you just said ties exactlyinto the question, whichis like, you're saying thatyou want to go in and you want that freshnew experience whereyou don't have those thosehandrails where you know exactly what todo. Like I could playeven though I haven't I mean,maybe right now right now, because Ihaven't played World of Warcraft in along time at this point.But I pretty much I would know what todo. Like I'd go to Wow, I hadto look at the best talents,I would best level and look at the bestpattern I'd be done. Yeah,how do you avoid that? That'sthe hardest. That is the biggest problem.For sure. Yeah. Imean, you could do it likelike they have what's that new one inWorld of Warcraft classic?It's not classic. Yeah. Season ofDiscovery does it right where I likethey're releasing thingslittle by little. Yeah. At the same time,eventually things will be known.Yeah. And then there will be meta builds.And that's also a problem. Yeah.But yeah, so I think Season of Discoveryis they do a good job withit in the sense that they doactually keep all of the like objectives,all of the secret runes youcan get to upgrade your classto give your class new abilities. Theykeep those runes hiddenthroughout the world in the openworld. And they do a very good job ofactually keeping themsecret until launch, which issurprising, given that while players willdig into the deepest depthsof the games, like, you know,playable test build in order to findthese things literally likemining the data. Yeah. Yeah.But they managed to keep it secret. And Iwill say for the first like month,it's very fun. For the first month,people literally don'tknow where these things are.And there will be like discordcommunities and stuff. And that's OK.This is something I'm goingto get into. That's something you didn'tfind. So you played it, right? Yeah.Like a decent amount of it. OK. Give alittle bit of background on what it isand what makes it unique, because a lotof people I mean, are I feellike our community is mostlyI mean, we're obviously people, legends,players, teamfight, taxiplayers, Legends of Runeterra,players to X Co player eventually. But alot of them don't evenknow what World of Warcraft isever played World of Warcraft. So explainseason of discovery alittle bit for them.OK, so, yeah, I'm going to say World ofWarcraft is wild becausewe started off with World ofWarcraft classic, right, which is theoriginal World of Warcraftthat released in what, like,2004, 2005. And after that release, yeah,people played throughit pretty sick of it.And the problem was everyone already kneweverything. I thinkthat's the biggest problempeople had with classic. Wow. So the gamecame out in 2005 andit was already solved.So everyone already knew the bill. Theysaw exactly how toplay their class. Yeah.They knew how to play at every singlelevel. What quests todo, what professions to be,you know, like, like you're an item asyour engineer. I'm sorry fornon-engineer. You're stupid.It's that sort of. Yeah. So season ofdiscovery, the whole point of thatis that it's classic. Wow. Again, butthey added in these runesthat you can find in treasurechests. These chests are found just allaround the open world, butthey're not just like lyingaround. They're going to be secrets.There might be a new a newlike a NPC just walking aroundin one of the old areas and they're a newcharacter. You can talk to them if you'relike a warrior and he'll give you someinformation on where maybeto find a rune turns out likehidden in a bush somewhere and you got tofind this likesuspicious bush out in the zone.That sort of stuff. That was like a verylike bland example. Theyget really cool with it.And I want to explain the difference. Sobetween that, what you justsaid, where you walk up tothis guy and he tells you where the runeis, let's say that that was somethingthat was establishedbefore. There would already be an add on,which add on is somethingyou add like an overlay ontop of your game that tells you you wantthis rune. You go to talkto this guy who then willtell you this, but you don't even need toknow that because you just want to gohere and collect this.And that's how you get the room to talkto that guy at that point.Yeah, they just show you whereit is on your map and you go to theyellow marker on your map and then youclick on the bush. That'sit. It becomes then it becomes literallyjust run and grab it and you're done.Yeah. And at that point becomes tedious,right? It's like, why doI even have to do this?This is such a waste of time. Like, whycan't they just give me the rune?And it's because it's not fun at thatpoint because youalready know everything.So they did a really job of hiding allthis stuff, keeping it all completelysecret from the communityuntil launch. And at launch, you shouldhave seen general chat,which is just like, you know,like a little like almost like a chatroom where everyone withinthe same the same zone, like,let's say in Runtaro's case, everyone'sin the Freljord. There's a Freljord chatthat everyone's in. So you better believethat. Like, general chat isalways talking about like,hey, I'm a warrior. Where do I get thisrune? Where do I findthis guy? Oh, is this the guyI need to talk to? Oh, wait, how the heckdo I get this chest that'sall the way up on this cliff?What the heck? What do I do? And that ledto so much communityconversation and socializing.I made so many friends so easily just bywondering how the heck I get a rune.And when you don't have that instantaccess, the game becomesso much more immersive.Little things become so much moreexciting, like getting that rune insteadof it just showing upon your map, being like, like, you know,just freaking holding downthe W key to run over there.I now have to actually talk to my fellowwarrior players to find outhow to get the warrior root.And that just exactly little stuff likethat is what makes or breaks in MMO.Absolutely. It's whatkept me coming back. I wouldn't come backfor any other reason to SODother than to talk to peopleand find this stuff. Exactly. And that'sthat's the hardest thing, I think, tocapture and to maintainis that like, and because not only that,there's the added benefitfor those that initial benefitthat's like, OK, I'm enjoying likesomething that's new, that'sfresh that I'm not like justfollowing a guide for then because it'snot new, because it's notbecause it's like fresh and new,no one knows anything. It forces you tocommunicate. And there'salways people who say like,I'm just looking to play by myself. It'san MMO at the end of theday. And you have to forcepeople to work with others agreed becausethat that's the wholepoint. That's the whole pointof the world in general is you need towork with others like thispodcast would be pretty boringif it was just me talking the whole time.Yeah, you want to you wantto like work with others toaccomplish big things. And an MMO, itshould be the same thing.Like, yeah, you can group up witha dungeon. You can do something prettycool. Or you can group upwith a raid and do somethingreally cool. Or you can like work, youknow, do some like arena alittle bit, have some fun,like fight some people. Or you can likemake a close knit groupthat plays together a lot andyou guys can get really good together.And the more you work withothers, the more you shouldbe rewarded. And that's that addedbenefit without it's an unintentionalbenefit of what you'retalking about. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,like, like I get the root andthe thing is a lot of times Idon't even know what the root is. Right?Like I just see in general,people are talking about thiswarrior rune in the barons, which is likethis like desert area.And I'm just like, warriorrune in the barons. How do I get thatfellow warriors? And thenI get it. And I don't evenknow what the heck it is until I equipit. I'm like, oh, thisis awesome. Do my abilityupgraded now I'm so much stronger. I'm somuch better. Oh my god, Ican kill these centaurs somuch faster. Like, little stuff likethat. Like, I'm not knowing that I'mgonna be able to killthe centaurs faster. It's a fun littlesurprise after talking topeople and figuring some stuffout on my own little adventure. And evenso like, in the case ofnowadays, right, like, of course,there was like discord communities thatpopped up right away for this kind ofstuff. And I personallylike that, right? Because that's justanother avenue ofsocializing for people. Like, yeah,you now have to go into the discordserver and talk to fellowWorld of Warcraft playersto find these runes. And that's a wholelot better thanlooking it up on the website,like wow head where they have all theinformation for World ofWarcraft you could ever need.That is why I do like sod not retail.100% at this point on wowhead you can find those runes.Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's already addons for it. There'salready add ons. Yeah.We can just find it on themap. And yeah, it's a bummer.I want to emphasize this too. Okay, likeit's impossible to avoidthe internet. The internet'sgoing to be a part of the game. You can'thave everything everchanging constantly. You can bemoving the runes around all the time. Idon't know. That just seemsweird. Yeah, no, that would justbe like annoying at that point. Honestly.Yeah. But what you can dois control the game. Like,I really feel like World of Warcraft,they have no control over the gamebecause an add on completelychanges the way everyone plays. I canlook at how someone else I can look atsomeone else playingthe game. It looks like a completelydifferent game than what Iplayed because I play with almostno add ons. But I even played withoutdeadly boss mods for a while.I was about to say I was goingto say at this point, they kind of expectyou to have it. Definitely.Yeah. The difficulty of theraids in that game are are definitelyexpecting you to have add onsto help you know how to beatthe boss. They fully expect you to haveit. Otherwise, you can'texplain it. Yeah, I'll explainhow crazy that is that it's even allowed.Right. This is by the way, massive,massive, like potholesthat right has to look out for their MMO.Yeah, because it's you can'tfix it. It's a pothole thatcannot be one way street. Yeah, once yougo down that road, youcan't go back. Right. But yeah,explain. Explain this massive issue withmost of the most. Okay.2X KO is a fighter. Right.We're just fighting each other, whateverme and you are fighting ina game, right. But let's saythat I download add ons, which add alayer of of of let's make it evensimpler. There's counterstrike, right? Yeah. Okay, you can get anadd on for that game thatwill show you players throughwalls. That is an advantage. Right. Seeeveryone. Yeah, no matterwhere they are. Yep. Exactly. Okay.Now, in World of Warcraft, that's like,oh, yeah, everyone should download thatadd on. So you couldsee the mobs through the walls. Becauseotherwise, you're an idiot. You won'tknow when to come outaround the corner. So you can, you know,CC or whatever. Versus inthis game, it's consideredcheating. I think it's to that level.Like, I think add ons and mode ofWarcraft are cheating.Yeah. And the thing is, like, oh, it'slike any other game,let's say we're playing like asingle player RPG. You can download allthe stick and mods youwant. And I couldn't care less.Right. Like, you can download a mod thatjust instantly gives you999 stats on your characterin this RPG that you're playing byyourself. That's perfectlyfine. But, or you can just like,you know, not have the mods and playnormally whatever. Theproblem is when you're an MMO,you have other people relying on you.Right. When you're ina dungeon or a raid,it's not just your successor failure.It's the group's success orfailure. So if you're not usingthe add ons to make the dungeon or raideasier for yourself, you'reholding the whole team back,which is just kind of like rude. Youknow, you know, so that's abig issue with MMOs is thatmin maxing in general iskind of expected at some point.If you want to actually like, you know,play the game on asomewhat competitive level,if you want to actually push yourcharacter, then you're expected todownload these add ons.And it's not just for you. It's foreveryone. You're affectingother players when you'replaying competitively. So you need to.And they remove add ons and competitive,like when you're playing in Arenacompetitively on the PPP, likethe actual scene when they'recompeting, you can't have any add ons,but they do allow therace to world first. Yeah,you're not allowed to have any add ons.Wow. It gives you an unfair advantage.But then the race to worldfirst, they allow add ons.What? It makes no sense.Yeah, it makes no sense to me.It's even worse than Arena in my opinion.Exactly. It's I consider it cheating.At it should not be even considered likeadd ons in the gameshould not be allowed.It shouldn't be allowed in to X K.O. It'snot allowed in League of Legends.It's not a lot of legends of Runeterra.Like you should not havean add on that looks at theplayers cards in Legends of the.Obviously, people canprogram something outside of it.You know, there's always people that willfind a way to be able togo outside of the game.Yeah. Yeah. But imagine if Legends ofRuneterra, you coulddownload an add on that literallyriot themselves, help you port into thegame that looks at the players cards,looks at the it will predict the deckthat they're buildingand recommend based on yourcards, which card to play.Yeah. Now that game is boring.Is that you're at a disadvantage becauseare the other person is using it?You're going to lose. I'm sorry. No onecan beat a computer like atthe end of the day, freakingwhat they do. They like trained acomputer on Starcraft. This was years andyears and years ago.I was watching a video on it like lastweek that they traineda computer on Starcraft.And eventually the machine got so goodthat it just started training versusitself because humansweren't good enough anymore to challengeit. And so it just traineditself to the point where it'syou cannot beat it. Yeah, just optimizeitself into oblivion.Yeah. I want to watch that.Actually, it sounds amazing. But peopleare competing againstAI in the real world.I don't want to do it in the game. OK.Seriously, I didn't even think about thepower of AI and add ons. Oh, my God.Riot better not allow add ons. JesusChrist. Yeah, actually, I think so. Iknow Final Fantasy 14.I'm pretty sure they do allow add ons,but they don't allow damage metersbecause they say it'stoxic to damage meters, which I think isfunny. Who says that? Thedevs behind Final Fantasy 14.Oh, OK. Yeah, they don't allow damagemeters in Final Fantasy14. They'll ban you over itif they find out you're using them.Because, yeah, I guess they they're allWorld of Warcraft players,by the way, like they based Final Fantasy14 heavily off of Worldof Warcraft and it shows.But yeah, obviously, damage meters aregoing to some extent. You'regoing to see who's doing thelowest damage if you're not getting pasta boss. You're probablygoing to call them out or justkick them from the group outright so Ican see how it leads to some toxicity.But I think I shouldimagine playing the game with how theymean. You need it. Youshouldn't be like as a raid leader.I think you need it right because youdon't want to wastepeople's time doing the sameboss over and over again. You can't findout what the problemis. Turns out this guy'ssaving one spell over and over. He'sholding the group back like.So at that point, I'm like,please just like innately put damagemeters in the game. Right.Like if you're going to docompetitive dungeons and raiding and PvP,please, please just alreadyhave damage meters in the gamebecause that's like a requirement,especially if you're a leader of a groupat the end of a boss fight. I think thatduring the fight, youdon't need to see anything.But at the end of the fight, it shouldfeel like, oh, who didthe most damage? Who'scc'd stuff? This person used to cc'dthis, you know, likewhatever some log or something.Like a log of what's happened. Yeah.Yeah. That's cool. And that provides.And you cannot baby the player. Like atthe end of the day, peopleare going to be trying to pushfor something that's pretty difficult.And that's what's rewarding is whenyou're doing somethingdifficult. And when you're doing that,yeah, you do have to likefine tune stuff. Like, yeah,you have to tell this person like, oh,you know, you're not cc'ingthis. This has to be cc'd.If you don't have the information andthey're saying they'recc'ing it or whatever, then youhave to go with what they say. And nowit's like creating even moreproblems just because you'retrying to bubble wrap all your players.Don't bubble wrap them.Just people are going to fight.It's fine. It's part of the world.Everyone's playingtogether. It's going to happen.And yeah, you're going to have a playerinteraction, which means you're going tosee the good and thebad. But I personally think the good way,way outweighs the bad.100 percent. 100percent. Trust the community.Yeah. Trust the community to solve theirown problems. Ialways say that. That's thepoint of like GM's versus, you know,having bots that banstuff. GM is basically just theteacher that'll sit back and let the kidsplay at recess untilsomething goes wrong.That the teacher needs to come in andfix. Otherwise, let the kidsfigure out their own stuff.Man, I did not want to reveal this untilthe right of emo comes out. Iwas going to keep it secret.I was going to keep it hidden. I wasgoing to internalize it atthe end of every podcast.Once the right of emo comes out, we'llhave a do not playlist andavoid list of players that havedone bad, you know, play if you can. Forexample, yes, we'll let youknow. We'll announce some onon stream. And yeah, that's not us beingtoxic. OK, that's usprotecting the community. And youhave to trust the community to policeitself. And this will be one of theplaces where we do that.Dude, and again, for the billionth time,that's why I wantindividual servers. I know individualservers come with their own like share ofproblems. Like this gotto matter for servers.That's a ride to figure out. And I'm surethey can. I'm surethey're capable of figuring outhow to maintain good server balance,especially if it's not like World ofWarcraft. I really don'thave factions. That makes it a whole loteasier. But please, havingindividual servers allows usto figure things out like that. Like thenwe can have thatlocal player saying, hey,this guy Ninja looted by like he stole apiece of loot from thegroup in that one dungeon.So stay away from that guy. Don't invitehim into your groups. Allright. And now guess what?That guy stuck out like level twenty fivebecause he can't getinto a dungeon anymore.It has to be it has to be individualservers. Otherwise, it'spointless. I could say don'tjoin this person. Whatever. Yeah. Watchout for Rockefeller.Rockefeller, Gigi, avoid him. Andall of a sudden it doesn't matter becauseyou'll never see himanyways because we're all playingwith every single person in the world.Like every single person onthe freaking west coast is, youknow, all in one base, basically on onegiant server. So you'renever going to see him.If the game is successful, we're assuminga lot. You know, it couldbe that. Yeah, it's true.It could be that you see him every singledungeon you do. Hopefully not.I would ban him, but I've got no oneelse. Yeah. Avoid that.No, then you just let him into thedungeon and kick him at theend before he gets a chance.Yes. Kick him rightbefore the boss goes down.I did not want to announce the brazenhydro ban list yet, butthis is it just pertains to theconversation. Yeah. Yeah. The problem isit's only going to beon our server, though.If you're on our server, we're lookingout for you. If you're noton our server, tough luck.Good luck getting in thatgroup with the ninja looter. Yeah.Bro, I listen that someone joins thegroup and they just happenedto listen to our podcast andwe're just destroying a person for beinga complete punk and ninja looting andlike causing so manyproblems. That's the dream. Oh, my God.We have authority. I would.Oh, my God. That's hilariousto think about. People would leave ourgroups out of fear of being called out.Even if like that's nothing wrong withthem. They don't join them.Here your server reputation is on theline when you group with us.It should be, though, at all times, atall times, like it should be that ifsomeone joins an arenaand is constantly leaving because theyget pissed like they're justquitting every single arena.I want to know that. Yeah, I agree. Andif if it's constantlyevery single person ismessed, well, you're never going to playwith that person againand you could shout it fromthe rooftops and it wouldn't help anyone.It wouldn't make adifference. If I'm on a specificserver and I say this person constantlyis joining arenas, he did itwith me. He did it with anotherperson. If like he just gets pissed andfreaking leaves every 10seconds, then yeah, other peoplemaybe give him a shot. But at least, youknow, you're saying thatthis person is kind of f'd upwhen it comes to arena and they're goingto they it hurts yourrank when they leave because,you know, after that, you still lose. Oh,yeah. Yeah, absolutely.That's more than enough reasonto have these people's names out there.Just let the community police themselves.I really hope so. I'm like, honestly,even at this point, anotherthing about separate serversis that they kind of feel almost likelike a stinking footballteam, right? Like you'rea fan of of this server. You're on thisserver. This is your team.All right. And on the rightMMO subreddit, whenever the heck thatdrops, you're going to be chanting aboutawesome. Your server isand how stupid that server is. Nobodyshould play on that server.That's why world first used tomatter, though. That's why arena used tomatter. Like people used tohave pride and almost like ateam. You're right. It was the server.People used to watch worldfirst because they wanted theirserver to win. They wanted everyone toknow that this server had the bestRaiders in the world.Yeah, they want to. Yeah, the top TVpeers in the world areplaying on this server.They want like that recognition. Like,yeah, I'm from thisserver. You know, it's like,it's like you're not actually good. Youknow, and that has to beremembered, right? But like,it's like, okay, you're not actually goodat soccer, you know, butyou root for your countryin the World Cup. Yeah, it feels goodwhen you win and you say wewon. Yeah, that's so true.That's a psychological thing, by the way.Really? Oh, my has now a like tribementality or something.Yeah, if let's say that my team wins thegame, I'll say we won. Andif if they lose, what wouldyou say? Oh, yeah, they suck. They'rehorrible. They lost. Not welost. They lost. Yeah. So youtake all the victory, but you keep awayfrom all the defeat.Regardless, it's important.Yeah, please, please write separateservers, dude. Each individual server, Iwould love it so much.Oh, my God. I think it's almost requiredfor a sense of community.Like it wouldn't be possible without it.Yeah, dude. Every MMOthese days has its, you know,like its parties, its guilds, its likeindividual communities, likeWorld of Work at this point,has guilds and communities. You can joincommunities or guilds. And even then,outside of your guild, you don't havemuch community, right?Outside of your communitygroup chat or whatever, you don't haveany sense of like belonging,you know, you have those like20 people and that's it compared to likeindividual server, dude, thatwhole world is your community.That entire server is your people. I loveit so much. Man, oh, man,it's it's it's like what makesa moment MMO for me genuinely. So here'swhat I want to ask you tobecause the community thingthat you're tracking with, it's right. Iagree with it 100 percent.And we have to have like that.It's so important for server health andfor like that you wantlike they always like PPC withLeague of Legends stuff and you're goingto need that serverrecognition that helps with it.Because to say like, oh, I'm rooting forthose guys. I'm rootingfor Team Veritas or whateverbecause they're from my server. That thatdoes contribute. I will saythis, that it doesn't comewithout its problems. And its problem isthe biggest problem. Thebiggest problem is thatlet's say that they win. Right. TeamVeritas from server from server driven.I'm not going to pickthat name because I always say it wrongfrom server echo, the echoserver, whatever, you know,they always like they always name. I feellike Aurelion Sol willprobably be a server name.So from a Aurelion, I hope they do. Ireally like how World ofWarcraft does that. They'll nametheir servers after places or characters.Yeah. Oh, oh my gosh, you're right. Thebrazen Hydra server.Okay. We'll see you guys on the brazenHydra server in the brazenHydra pub. Okay. So like,let's say that people are on me and youare on the I'm on thebrazen Hydra server, just me.And you're like, okay, I want to make mycharacter. I obviouslywant to play with endgrowth. We talk all the time. We're goingto play together. You go to make acharacter on the brazenHydra server and it's full. Now youbecause it's a server, you cannot justlet everyone in all thetime and you cannot like you have tolimit it eventually becauseit's a server. Now there'stwo solutions in my opinion. One, it hasto be a mega server whereeveryone plays with everyone.It's literally a world. There's no likeseparation of servers like itis in World of Warcraft. It'sliterally the world of Runeterra andthere's an Ameri there'sonly three servers is America.There's Europe, you know, there's SouthAmerica and there's Asia.Those are the those are likethe four different things that you couldlike this because a languagebarrier, right? You wouldn'twant to be walking around and you don'tunderstand anyone. Yeah, definitely.Yeah, definitely. And aLatin America one. Those are the servers,right? In terms of thatsegregation, but it's like you'replaying on the America world. Now thatwould be crazy. Yeah, butwhat I see the problem with thatis that would be the same as because youhave to phase out peoplewhen they get too many peopletogether. That's because otherwise theserver would crash and stufflike that. Yeah, definitely.You're going to have some pretty badconnection issues when youhave like big open world battlesstuff like that. And then you end up withthe same problem asbefore where it's like, okay,you're phasing and everything and youmight as well when youselect America, that's what you'redoing right now in World of Warcraft isyou're on the America.Yeah, that's very true. You'reeither East Coast or West Coast, right?That's all it is. Yeah, Ithink you're pretty just Americain general. I think you're right. It'sjust America in general. I think I haveno idea. I think theytry to like merge certain servers, but ittends to be like just everyone'severywhere and everything.Whatever. Yeah, there's no way to keeptrack. Honestly, I mean,I hardly know what serverI'm in half the time. Exactly. And sothen you end up with theproblem that you're having. Wow.Where it's like no one matters. Yeah,because you have tointroduce phasing to solve for that.The other solution is there's no phasing.You introduce enoughplayers into the world that aslong as everyone, the entire communitydoesn't aggregate in onelittle corner, the server is notgoing to crash. Or even if that happens,you know, the server won'tcrash. You like limit it likethat. There can be this many players on aon the section on a server.Now, the problem with thatis if me and you want to play together,you don't have any otherproblems. But if you want to playtogether, we might get stuck where likeI'm on the server and you want to playwith me, but the serveris full. That's where I get stuck onlike, I don't know a solution. Agreed. Italso comes down to thethis is a problem with modern day MMOs isthat if you do individual servers,a lot of people will tend to congregatearound one server,especially because we live in a worldwith influencers, which we didn't beforeback in like 2005. Yeah.That if the biggest, you know,right. MMO gamer out there, some big namelike like League of Legendsplayer tries out the rightMMO hops on as an old. Yeah, as a goldprofessional League ofLegends player hops onthe right. Mo hops on a server.Everyone's going on that server, youknow, like 24,000 peopleinstantly make a character on thatserver. And now everyone's saying, Oh, ifyou want to actuallyplay the game and see a lot of people,you go to that server. Sothat means even more people tothat server. It becomes a big problemwhere now you have likefive dead servers in one serverthat's way overcrowded. Right? Luckily, Ithink, I think World ofWarcraft has done better recentlywith the classic WoW than they did in thepast. I don't know why orhow, but they've managed tospread people out a lot better withSeason of Discovery than they did withthe original classicWoW even like, even classic plus orwhatever the heck it was. They managed todo a lot better withthe server spread. So I don't know ifthat's just because people are kind ofover classic comparedto the initial release, or if theyactually done a better job oflike having different types ofservers, people interested in differentthings. And, you know, like, kind ofraising and loweringthe cap for servers. Right. Like, I thinkat launch, the cap forservers was a lot higherbecause they knew people wouldn't beplaying that much like a monthfrom then. So they have a lotof people to play on it and kind ofalmost like break it a little bit. Butthen it's fine becauselike half the population drops. So it'sdefinitely interesting the serverpopulations. That's the onebig problem I have too with individualservers. The serverpopulations can get a little wonky,especially in the modern day with theinternet. It's a lot easierto find out what's the mostpopular server and then hop on that tomake the problem evenworse. Here's here's what I thinkthey could do. Okay, if if you have to dosome sort of phasing,right, where it allows a highpopulation server to phase a little bit,sorry, it can be balancedout is you wait for the game tosettle. And then you take the highpopulation server and youmake it phase with a very low,like the lowest pipe, the highestpopulation server emerges withthe lowest population server.Just have it develop their servers. Yeah,I actually feel likeit'll just like the classicis that they allow people on lower popservers to have afree character transfer.They're able to transfer their characteranywhere on like certain servers.I like that a lot. It almost like tobalance that. So I worked as a networkengineer for a while.And let's say that me and you are bothtrying to access a website.And the back end servers arefull. It will either queue, or it'llstart balancing betweenthe servers. And you even dothat if you want to have a new website,right, you don't just shifteverything over to the newwebsite, you'll like distribute thetraffic between the newwebsite and the old website.And I feel like if you have a high popserver, and you do somethingsimilar with a low pop server,where then the high population, if itbecomes over country in acertain area, can kind ofqueue or like, you know, go between,it'll offload some ofthat into the low pop server.Now the problem with that is, let's saythat low pop serversuddenly becomes a high pop server.And that's a problem because now you havetwo high pop servers. And youcan't just separate them nowbecause people are playing together. Andit's almost like oneserver in one community. Right.And at that point, you might as well callit the same name andjust introduce anotherserver to offload. Instead of making aseparate serveraltogether, man, this is arare this is the toughest thing is this,this is the toughest thing.I agree. This is one again, it's soimportant. Right. At the endof the day, this right MMO,one thing we know for certain about thetribe of Mo, if we knownothing else, which we know,nothing else is that we know, which weknow nothing else, by theway, there's gonna be can'tsay what they told us. Don't say that.Wink, wink. Yeah, we know nothing, guys.Right. Definitely. Definitely invite usover and tell useverything about the right MMO.It's actually coming out tomorrow. Wealready know everything. But I like thewhole truth to tell alie. Yeah. I like I like where yourheads. Yeah, I try. Why can't I say theplease? Yeah. But onething we're allowed to say is that thisgame will have somecommunity and social aspect,right? It's an MMO. That's the point ofthe name. It's going to havesome social community aspectsto it. And a server, it being individualservers is what's going tolike make any kind of sense ofcommunity. And if you do it wrong, thecommunity is going to sufferfor it big time. The socialaspect is really going to get hurt.Because you have people playing onservers that were doingwell in the first week. Now they're dead,because everyone moved overto the high populated serverbecause people want to socialize, theywant to be part of the bigcommunity. Now you're on this deadserver, you don't want to pay money totransfer servers. So youjust stop playing the game.That's going to happen if they're notcareful. Very, very careful. Andhonestly, I have a greatanswer for it. This is the biggestconundrum ever. And it's why World ofWarcraft moved away from it.And I think it's why most of the mostmoved away from it, right? I'm prettysure Final Fantasy 14does not have individual servers. Atleast I don't think so. I have no idea. Imean, like just likeWorld of Warcraft, there's like certainaspects tied to your server, which Idon't even think theyhave that anymore. But like Final Fantasy14 will have certain aspectstied to your server, like theplayer housing. But I'm not sure outsideof that. I think outside ofthat, they probably have somekind of phasing when you're out in theopen world. And therebetter be player housing.There better be. Hey man, Bandletail hasit. So sure. Bandletailhas it. The MMO better.Bandletail is all we have to go off forthe MMO. That's all of our MMOinformation actually.Is that it's maybe it'll be likeBandletail, that thirdparty title that they released.Bandletail hinting atplayer housing for the writer.No question mark questionmark. Exclamation point.Confirmed. Question mark.Dude, I can't wait for my eight bityordle to make his way into the riot MMO.They're going to have character transfersfor sure. Right. I'll beable to place my yordle.100 percent. Oh yeah. There's no way interms of races. It's going to be human.I think Vastaya will have a couple ofdifferent options. I hopethere's a centaur option forNoxus. I feel like they're unique. Yeah,I think you'll have a Ihope we have a troll option aswell. That's from the Froyord just to addsome variety. Like massive though. Yeah.Scale them down. Honestly, the thing is,the nice thing aboutRuneterra is that like I saidbefore, it's so open ended. They couldtotally make some like,you know, some half trolls orsomething. Yeah, some tribe that's partof the trolls that ends upintegrating more with thehumans. That's not like, you know, so. Soanimal like so viciousand whatever. I don't know.They're so out there that they kind ofintegrate with us more intothe community more. And sothey're like regular trolls. They justwalk. Yeah, Runeterra as aas a narrative is so young.There's so much that is with it rightnow. There's so much open ended stuffgoing on in Runeterra that they couldeasily just add whateverthe heck they want to it.The proof of that is just like apleasure. Yeah, I was about tosay that. Well, they just didwith Smolder right now. Dude, that we hadno indication of Smolderor the dragon people fromlike in Camivore. We didn't know anythingabout that until theyjust dropped Smolder and say,yep, here's this lore. Here's all themore all the sudden aboutthese dragons from game of war.Here's this lore. Remember everythingabout Viego and Camivore? Well, thedragons were there first.And they did that. And itworks. Yeah, like it fits. Yeah.Viego literally called upon the dragonsto accompany him to theBlessed Isles, but theyrefused. Like there's a whole story therethat it's not even in Ruination.Yeah, it was like fresh lore that theyjust threw out there. Andnow it's not it's not only likelore. It's a big that's big. It'simportant. Like, whoa, very important.Yeah, that's the thing. Like for therhyme, if they want somelike, you know, like, likeslightly larger than human sized trollsand as a playable race,they can just do that, dude.Like you said, they can just drop thattribe in the Freljord. And there it is.You can play as them.That's what I'd like to see. The sky'sthe limit, man. I'd like tosee, I think, trolls from theFreljord. Centaur, Centaur, if you'replaying noxious, you can play a Centaur.Humans are everywhere. Vastaya areeverywhere. And if you make a Vastaya,you can like, you know,customize them a little bit in terms oftheir animalisticcharacteristics because they're tiedto the spirit realm. And who knows whatwhat descendant you'refrom. You can't make, you know,like a Arie type Vastaya because she'sthe last one of her kind. But you canmake a more general one.And humans and yordles, you definitelyhave to have yordles. And I think thatis pretty well rounded rather than thethree that I reckon thatI like said at the I thinkI was pretty hard set on humans, Vastaya,yordles. But those are thethree main. Yeah, those arethree main. But I would like to seeCentaur and trolls in thereas well. Agreed. Honestly,yeah, we need large size, you know,something different. Small.We got two medium size. Weneed large. Yeah, that's where the trollsand Centaur come in. Itotally agree. Absolutely,dude. I mean, like, the style has somevariety of their own, right?But in the day, they're stilljust going to be like human ish. But Imean, like, yeah, a lot ofthem are very humanistic.Are others. Yeah, put a helmet, put ahelmet on Ari. Yeah, justbe like ear thing with if youignore her tail, take out her tail andjust put a helmet on her. She's human.Yeah, that yeah. The only indicator willbe that of a style willhave a tail. So, you know,I think even like some of us are likefull on looking lizard people, right?Yeah, some of us I have legs of likegazelle, you know, likethey're very different. Yeah.I mean, like at the end of the day, Ithink they're going tostick with bipedal. Right.Just for the easiest how armor and stuffis going to fit. Yeah. Likethey're going to want to bevery surprised if you're like halfunicorn running around. Ihighly doubt if they do that,that's insane. And I have so muchrespect. God damn. But Idon't think it's going to happen.We're not going to all the characters aregoing to have two arms and two legs is myvery strong assumption. Myvery, my very educated guess.So like in the day, yeah, the first dayin full armor is going tolook a whole lot like the humanfull armor. And that really only leads upto the yordles. And sadly,most people actually do notwant to play as a small race as much as Iwant to play the smallrace. Bandletail tempted me alittle bit. I'm not going to lie. LikeI've never been. I know. I know you'reyou're you're going tomake every race, right? I feel like asEnscrove, you're going tomake every race at some point.But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I getreally partial to a race.And then I make that likeright now, if I play while I'm playingthe Torin druid 100percent, like there's nothingelse that I'm going to play. And I dofeel like I want to havethat that one specific characterthat I play that does everything. Andthen if I literally do everything likeeverything is cappedout, there's nothing I can do on thischaracter that maybe I'll make anothercharacter. But that'sfair. I want to really commit into one.And so my when we're going tohave like when it comes timeand when the game is getting close orwhen we're talking aboutbeta and we know which races andclasses are going to be in the game, Ithink we're going to have like three,four episodes talkingabout what we're going to make because Iwant to have a decision. Yeah, no,there's no way we'renot going to go into like the beta or dayone release, not knowingexactly what we're going tomake for sure. Yeah. And nothing in anyMMO that you play for thefirst time, nothing is morespecial than the first character youmake, right? Like, yeah, even if thatcharacter does not end upbecoming your main, you never delete thatcharacter. You neverforget it either. Yeah,you never forget. You never forget yourfirst character thatyou made is in a new MMO.Like, especially if it's one that youinvest a lot of time into interms of like, like the MMOitself. And I could definitely tell likewhatever big hammer yordle Imake day one, if it does endup becoming my main, my main or anything,he's always going to bethere. And I was like, yeah,that was my first yordle. That was whatme and Enzgrove talkedabout for three hours.Yeah, it's I think it's going to I that'swhat I would like it to be my main,like from day one that like thatcharacter that I made. Yeah, that's thecharacter I'm playing.So I want to make sure I make the rightdecision and thecharacter that I click create. Andobviously we guys we can't revealanything about the beta right now again.Yeah, of course. Yeah,we're gonna have to keep that blocktight. We'll let you guysknow when Riot gives us the okay,when they give us the green light. We'lltalk all about the right MMOand the next three expansions.But for now, we're just going to have toact like we'respeculating a little bit here.Exactly, exactly. Keep it keep it kosherand just keep it like, you know,we don't know anything because we don't.We're in trouble oneday. We are pushing it here.But I do want to talk a little bit. Sothis is the last thing I just want to sayas well. So right now we know 2X KO. I'mgonna I'm I think I'm gonnaplay a lot of this game tobe honest, especially if there's somestory mode in it. We know that therelease date is going tospeculative they say 2015 or not 20252025 sometime in 2025. What are yourthoughts based on that?What's your new estimationof the right MMO release date?Well, let's see. 2025 is all we know,right? Like we don't even haveto be like early or late 2025.I'm assuming 25 is my I'm prettyconfident it'll be early 2025.Right. Like when you see the gameplayfootage, the game looks very far along.It looks pretty. Yeah, it does. They'redeep into content phase for sure.So that leaves I stillthink at some point in 2025,there's the potential for us to see atrailer or a title drop or maybe somekind of information,some kind of official not just like we'rehiring for the right MMO.Yeah, yeah. Your initial speculation atthe beginning of thisyear said that we were goingto get a name and maybe a trailer. No,no, did you say trailer? Ordid you say just maybe a name?I think I think I I forget if I saidtrailer or name drop like the trailer would have a name drop.Or if it's just going to be a name dropwith some information.I'm going to go back tothat episode and find out.Yeah, I'm curious. Quote me on it. All ofthis is recorded, so we'll find out.But I still pretty confident that somepoint 2025, I feellike we're going to seelike a name drop in some kind ofinformation outside of thefact that like right now thatthe only information we have is thatthey're hiring. Right.That was like our ourbig reveal. And then occasionally theybring it up when like somebody promptsthem to bring it up.Otherwise they don't talk about it. Yeah.So I still think it'spretty dang early on.But 2025, I generally believe like late2025, we can see a namedrop and some kind of officialinformation on it on what MMO might bewhat kind of MMO we'reexpecting. Yep. I think we're goingto get something this year. We're goingto get something.We're going to get a name.We're going to get a picture. Maybe Idon't I don't know. Idon't know about a picture,but like some art, not like a picture ofthe actual game, butmaybe like a little bit of artfrom the game that's been used like oneof like the zones andstuff. Yes. And my concept art.I believe that. Yeah. Concept art, thename, that kind ofthing will be this year.I think next year we'll get like thetrailer, whatever theheck. I think by the endof I think by the beginning of 2026. No,I think by the end of 2025or the beginning of 2026.We'll get like a first looks at like,wow, this is actually the game.Like next year, I think you'll seesomething. Yeah. I think Ithink I think I think I think2026 will be like a beta. And if I had toestimate a releasedate, like an actual releasedate of the ride or more. It would beoptimistically 2026. Like end of 2026 andunoptimistically wouldbe 2027. And then a late would be 2028.And that's just covering allthe bases. But I would thinkthat it'd be like, yeah, I would thinkthat honestly, I wouldlean more towards 2027,2028. And if it's 2027, it'd be likelater half of 2027 would bemy guess for an actual release.So when do you think the beta would beout? Beta, beta, yeah,that would be the year before.Yeah. Two X scales. Beta is this year andthey're releasing next year.So the beta would come out the yearbefore. Yeah, I couldtotally see like year prior,which would be like 2026, maybe 2027 ofsome kind of beta whereservers are open for like,you know, maybe limited like it could bea shorter two days or something.Literally. Yeah. Where it would just bestress testing essentially.Right. You'll have like twozones open to like, you know, like liketwo starting zones, fourzones total, maybe, you know,that sort of deal to playable races. Andthat would be it. Just be playersquesting through the worldor whatever the heck you do in the openworld. Of course, there'sgoing to be an open world, right?Please rise. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'shard to not be like, we got destiny typething, but open world,holy trinity, no add ons. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Servers. Servers.No, no, no phasing. Yeah, no phasing.Please. Only things I wantto like 100% say that I needin MMO. Yeah. Everything else break themold, dude. Everythingelse go crazy. Yeah. Yeah.Like I, I, even the holy trinity, Iwouldn't include in that.I think it's great. I thinkit's needed. But the main things I wantto say are no add ons serverpride. You know, you have tolike see a player and be able to say likethat player and peoplewill know who you're talkingabout because it's a server that can beas big as it doesn't matterhow large it is. But that kindof thing. And what was the third thing? Isaid holy trinity. Yeah, Idid say we can, but we'lltake that out. That's yeah. We'll takethat out. Okay. Well, it must not havebeen very important.Yeah. Yeah. We're going to look like, oh,that was important. Yeah, probably.But yeah, I think the holy trinity, themost important things just has roles,right? I want to play as a role in thegroup. I want to have a jobthat I do to help the group,not just we're all swinging a sword, youknow, or we're all justshooting magic bolts. And that'sit. I want us to have to cooperate towork together as a teamto kill a boss instead ofall of us just swinging at it. That's theimportant thing about rolesin yeah, you want what rolesbring. It doesn't have to be like theyfind another way to do itfine, but that's like yourcharacter needs to be a unique piece to apuzzle. Yeah, yeah,exactly. We need to be cogs in amachine, not just a bunch of individualcharacters all hitting thesame thing. There's a bigdifference for sure. And in an MMO, thatmakes even more just feellike you're part of something,you know, rather than playing a singleplayer experience with other people.Yeah, well, I'll say this, I'm excited tosee what we get this year.I'm excited to see what we getnext year. If we're if our timeline isright, I think we're both inagreement, we're going to getsomething this year, some kind ofinkling, some kind of piece of news,whatever. And we're in2024 right now, right? Yep. Yeah, okay.Some kind of inkling, somekind of news name, whatever. In2024, you'll get a bite 2025. I thinkwe'll start getting some art, we'll get acinematic, whatever.Then we're saying 2026, we'll get a beta,something like that,or even like, I think2026 maybe like alpha to beta, somethinglike that 2027 will be beta to release.Or the latest will be early 2028 would bereleased. I'd say that. Yeah. Yeah, Iwould agree with that.It would be first half of 2028 if it goesto 2028. Yeah, that'sthat's a solid timeline. Like,yeah, yeah, I agree. That's solid. It'dbe like later half2027 or early half 2028.That's my find. I got a lot of lore tocover. But I think I maybe able, but if I get till2027, 2028, I should be able to cover allthe lore. Hopefully,they stop adding to it.We'll find out, won't we? We'll get towatch in real time ifEnscrope can make itbefore the launch of the ride of Mmo. Themore I explore, themore I don't have time.Let's not forget, by the way, that's alsolike two years of contentthey're going to drop forlike League of Legends and potentiallyother titles with more lorelike they just did with 2xKO. Yeah, yeah. 2x KO. Oh, watch 2hKL bethe most lore rich, justinsane game ever for Runeterra.That'd be this competitive 2D fighter. Ithink he would love it.I'm here for it. Count me in. 100% we'regoing to be running 2x KO for sure. Ithink me and New Yorkare probably going to fight a couple oftimes in that game. Oh, oh yeah. 100%.We're going to play.But I hope you enjoyed this episode.We'll continue thisconversation in the next oneright here in the Brazen Hydro Pub inBilgewater. You can find me at Enscropeon socials and YouTube.And you can find me at conquest95 onTwitter. And to stay up todate for the go-ins-on for thispodcast specifically.in the next one.

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