#18—GOING DARK & Resetting Riot MMO, New Director, Estimated RELEASE DATE, Asmongold on WoW

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0:00 Intro
3:31 Dont Panic
19:23 EA & BioWare Lead
26:32 Vijay now Technical Director
29:47 Going Dark
37:38 NEW Release Date Estimates
40:50 Asmongold Fixing World of Warcraft
41:57 Reduce Abilities
50:00 Single Raid Difficulty
54:49 No Addons
59:34 Asmongold Suggestion Review
1:02:32 Outro

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Hello and welcome to the Creaking SaltSoap Tables, the brazenhydro pub in Bilgewater.We're your hosts, Enk Rovin,Conquest,and today we'll be sharing a pint andtalking all things Vintera and beyond.So a bit of an interesting scheduletoday. Obviously we're gonna talkum, Tryndamere and his Ride or Mo tweetin terms of scheduling andwhere they're at in development.This show actually gets recorded onWednesday and so this tweet went outright after we were done recording.So, uh, it got, you know, it got pushedback for the following week. We wouldhave talked about it last week, but we'lltalk about it this week.What are our thoughts? Uh, in terms ofthe podcast, spoiler alert, there was noreal news anyways before this, so we'rejust gonna keep doing what we were doing.Yeah, we're already like 18hours in, what's 200 more?Exactly, exactly. We'll, we'll say whatepisode we might be on, uh, in terms ofif the Ride or Mo all the way till theRide or Mo in terms of our estimatedrelease dates, whatepisode we might be on.And then, uh, there's also some otherstuff we're gonna talk as men gold. Someof you as I may be familiar with him.Uh, he made some recommendations to saveWoW and we're gonna see how thosetranslate to the Ride or Mo, things theymight be looking at, mistakes that theyshouldn't make, and maybe preemptivesolutions that they can have for that.And if we have, if we have time, we'lltalk foods across from Terra becausehonestly, cooking was one of my favoriteprofessions in World of Warcraft andthere better be somecooking in the Ride or Mo.Oh yeah, dude. Oh my God. Alright, we'regonna have to push that topic off likefor towards the end, but like, I wastalking about the fishes, dude. There'sgonna be fishing, right? For the cooking.Oh yeah, yeah. We'll, we'll get into thatfor sure. We'll squeeze in fishing too.Cooking and fishing,we'll talk cooking and fish.Absolutely. Alright, so in case you werein a hole and if we are your only sourceof news, number one, blessyour soul. Okay, number two.Wow. We're gonna update you on somethingthat's pretty big for the Ride or Mo incase anyone's still curious, me andConquest are very much into the Ride orMo. We're excited about the Ride or Mo.And so any piece of news that comes outabout it, we're gonna cover it here.Absolutely. For better or for worse.Yeah, for better or for worse. And thisisn't as bad as many people think, okay?But yeah, I agree. Yeah, we're gonnatemper yourexpectations, okay? No one's raging.But Trindamere, aka Mark Merrow, who'sthe co-founder of Riot Games and reallyled the Riot and Mo project for a longtime, came out with this tweet on March20th. And it's at 4.9 million views. Soneedless to say, it's got some traction.But he starts with "Hey all, we know manyof you are hungry for news about the RiotGames and Mo project.Obviously. Yes. Clearly.So I'll just read. Actually, I'll read itsection by section. So they know like ifI'm quoting him or we're talking aboutit. So I'll just read the first tweetbefore I say anything. But hey all, weknow many of you are hungry for newsabout the Riot Games and Mo project.We really appreciate your patience andincredible support you've shown to us sofar. I'm writing to update you today onwhere we're at. And before anyone panics,yes, we are still working on the game.Hashtag League of Legends.So right off the bat, they're stillworking on the game, which is good news.That's good news. Yeah, we'll take that.Absolutely. I consider that a win becauseman, we got very little information fromthe very first Twittertease that he gave us up to now.So it's always very hard to tell if youknow, if things are rocky or ifeverything's going smooth and great,especially for an MMO, it's going to beyears of development. We're never goingto really be able totell until way later.So it's good to know that yes, they areworking on this. It's comingalong. This game will come out.And I will say this. The only thing thatmade me panic is when hesaid before anyone panics.Yeah.Should we be panicking already?Yeah, is there a reason? Yeah, we willfind out why he said don't panic.Yeah, the tweet goes on to say after alot of reflection and discussion, we'vedecided to reset the direction of theproject some time ago. This decisionwasn't easy, but it was necessary.The initial vision just wasn't differentenough from what you can play today. Now,this is a big portion. So I'm just goingto stop there. What do youthink about that line so far?Right off the bat, I am like ninety ninepoint nine percent certain they'retalking about World of Warcraft. Right.I think any MMO today that is mimickinganother MMO, it's mimicking it'smimicking World of Warcraft.Like you don't see many MMOs today thatare copying Guild Wars 2 or RuneScape,you know, they're copying the formulathat is tried and true.The formula that gave Final Fantasy 14the success it has now, they're copyingWorld of Warcraft. And honestly, just offof that part alone in the tweet, I'malready like, I'm both really happy andreally nervous. Right.Because like one part, like I even saidbefore that, yeah, I don't want this tobe World of Warcraft. If I play World ofWarcraft, I can go play World of Warcraft.I can play World of Warcraft. That gameis still live. It's come out with newcontent. There's no reason to makeanother World of Warcraft.And that game is already live and ongoingstill. But there's so many things I loveabout World of Warcraft that somebodylike little things or even like deep coremechanics that I want to see in every MMObecause I think it works.You know, like we've already talked aboutthe Holy Trinity to Helen back on this onthis here podcast that the tank healerDPS specs are something I much preferover the way Guild Wars 2 does theirroles, which are like non existent.So there's little things like that hereand there where I'm like, I hope, like,you know, I hope they weren'tdisappointed with, you know, them havingroles and things like that or even likeprofessions like we're going to talkabout later, which are like, you know,definitely World ofWarcraft inspired and our binds.So that, like I said, it leaves a lot ofpotential for sure. I'm glad they're notone to one copying World of Warcraft. Youalready like tell off of that tweet,assuming they're copying World ofWarcraft, which I think they are.But who knows where they're going to takethem from here now, justoff of that one sentence.Tryndamere was playing classic, so Iassume that he's maybe getting influenceda little bit by the classic gameplay.And I do think that there's some thingsthat should not be changed just to bechanged, but they shouldn't be differentjust to be different.Be even World of Warcraft was notdifferent to be different.It what it took was it took what was itGuild Wars was the game before that thatworld world request ever.Yeah, it was basically every place oneasy mode. Yes, it took every quest madeit on easy mode and itmade a lot of improvements.And I don't think it had a lot of qualityof life, made it veryaccessible to new people.It's what made the MMO genre mainstreamfor a while from like vanilla WoW toWrath of the Lich King, right? Because itwas accessible because they changed up.They change up the formula just enough.It was perfect. Exactly.And it goes on from that.Like what is League of Legends based on?Oh, DOTA 2, which is a mod of Warcraft 3.But what League of Legends do? They madeit. They gave it their own flair, theirown flash to it, and they made somechanges to the game.But it was still the game. I still wantto feel that MMO. I don't.The one thing that will kill me is ifthey try to make it so different fromWorld of Warcraft thatit's like all almost.We get a freaking like we don't want anew world scenario. Yes, no, exactly.Or they take it too far to a point whereI don't even recognize it as an MMOanymore. There is an MMOtropes that just work, man.That I just like they're the reason why Iplay an MMO. So maybe they thought theywere too on the nose.Like they were really that's what it was.It literally felt like if if you'replaying it and it felt like World ofWarcraft, that would be bad.Like if someone was playing and they'relike, wait, this literally feels likeWorld of Warcraft exactly.But I'm yeah, it's just runeterra andthey had the spell bar and like you'regoing to have to dosome things different.But at the same time, if it if somethings do know what were the work, that'sOK, because World ofWarcraft is still pretty great.Oh, it's still an amazing MMO. I mean, Istill think it's the best MMO out thereright now. It is far, in my opinion.Yeah, there's just there's some thingsthat they really nailed with World ofWarcraft that define the MMO genrebecause it was so just like well craftedmechanically and just it's an MMO whereall almost before World of Warcraft werevery high bar, very difficult to get intobecause they were solike systematic and complex.World of Warcraft took everything thatwas good about MMOs before it and justmade it easy to digest.And they brought it into such a simple,perfect form where they cut out all thefat of MMOs and then you just got thislean, amazing experience.So like the things that they did withVanilla WoW in terms of theirprofessions, which they dumbed down a lotcompared to MMOs in terms of skill trees,you know, like with like the likedungeons, like instance content.Like there are some things I still wouldjust love to see in every MMO because itworks and I have funevery time I experience it.Yeah, like I mean, like skill trees, theycan obviously mix up skill trees, right?There's a lot of different ways you cango with that, a lot of different nuancesyou can mess around with.But it still needs to be there. Likethere still needs to be a skill tree.Yeah, exactly. If I still want like myskills where I can, where like, you know,you're locked into a class, but you havesome creative freedom inside of yourclass. That's what skills are.So like stuff like that, I'm like, yeah,I want that in the Riot MMO because itjust, it works. I still have my classfantasy and I get to beunique. It's best in both worlds.That's one thing that I'm worried aboutthough, too, is the classes. Like classesis a mainstay of World of Warcraft, butlike they can say, okay, we want to go aclassless system. Okay, but then you'rejust going into Final Fantasy territory.Yeah, I mean, I luckily even FinalFantasy 14 has its like barriers betweenthe classes, you know, like, like youcan't be a warrior in FinalFantasy 14 and start healing.Like you have toswitch to your healer class.And I would even like that. Yeah, I stillprefer World of Warcraft's way. Yeah, Istill prefer when it's like yourcharacter is this class, right? Yourcharacter is a warlock. All right. Youcan't switch to apaladin if you're a warlock.But yeah, my biggest reason they don'thave complete options. There's wholecommunities around them. This wholediscord server is just around a specificclass. Yeah, that just adds so much morelike social identity, right? Like you're,you are your character and you're thatwarrior. All other warriors now relate toyou more than any other class.Yeah, fellow warrior players like, yeah,it was little stuff like that, which iswhy, yeah, I agree. I'd be very scared ifthey went the complete oppositedirection, you know, and start going intolike, oh, everyone starts off the sameand you build your character how youwant. Right. That's my biggest fear.That's what I hope they never do.Because then that just leads to like,there's such thing as too much freedom toa point where it just restricts theplayers and it's all going down the samepath. Right. That would happen. Yeah, I'mgoing to look up the optimal healer buildif I want to play a healer.I'm going to run that build your stufflike that. I really like becomeproblematic and that much freedom to apoint where I don't even really enjoy itbecause I don't have any identity at thatpoint, you know, like I could build mycharacter any way I want.But then what is my character? Becauseyour decisions don't matter anymore. Whenyou have too much freedom, your decisionsdon't matter. Yeah, exactly. That's avery good way of putting it. So when youhave every profession, you don't have tospecialize in a skill.Then when that when you don't specializein a skill and you can be everyprofession, then no one matters becauseeveryone's a blacksmith. I don't needeveryone's an herbalist. I don't need aguy going around pickingflowers because I can do it.Yeah, exactly. Like your character hascertain qualities to them that they theypossess it like that's them. They're analchemist. And that's it, dude. Somepeople are alchemists. That makes peopleare alchemists all the more special.Yeah, aren't alchemists or something elsethat makes them special. Like I reallylike that. So yeah, there are certainthings that just World of Warcraft reallynailed. And yeah, the class identity inlike profession identity even definitelywas one thing that I want tosee in the right MMO for sure.So it's like, dude, yeah, we'll see whatthey keep and what they don't. This isobviously all the world of Warcraft. HolyTrinity. Holy Trinity has to stay.Dude, it's just it's the ultimate likefantasy way of making people rely on eachother in combat, right? And combat isobviously like as much as we're talkingabout the skills and professions andeverything. It's all going to revolvearound combat. The professions lead tothe combat, the skills lead to thecombat, everything leads to the combat,which is why the combatalso needs a social aspect.And that's where roles come in. That'swhere the Holy Trinity comes in. You needother people to cooperate, tocommunicate, to make the magic happen inthat dungeon whereyou're fighting that big bad.Like, dude, yeah, World of Warcraftreally was revolutionary. Like thisstuff, obviously all this stuff existedbefore World of Warcraft. World ofWarcraft just kind of perfected it. Theyjust made it nice andsimple and just fun.And I want to see that in the right MMO,but I'm still like I said, that stillleaves a lot of potential. And I'mdefinitely glad that they're not makingit just World of Warcraft.There's that balance that they got astrike for sure. So if what he's sayingis really true, that they really werejust going to make this game World ofWarcraft with Runeteriko topaint based on our assumption,then I'm glad that he made the decisionthat he did that we'llget into later in the tweet.Yeah. And even this, like the rest ofthis portion of the tweet really doesn'textend past this specific topic, but Iwanted to stop there andjust like get all our points in.But he does go on to say in that. Yeah,it's huge. But in that section, he says,we don't believe you all want an MMO thatyou've played before with a Runetera codeof paint to truly do justice to thepotential of Runetera.And to meet the incredibly highexpectations of players around the world,when you do something that truly feelslike a significantevolution of the genre.This is a huge challenge, but one ourteam of deeply passionate MMO players andgame development veterans is incrediblymotivated to pursue. Now he does sayevolution in the genre.I hope I mean, that means something'sevolving and when something evolves, youknow, when a Pokemon evolves, it's stillthat same Pokemon. Itstill looks the same.It's abilities just got like Charizard'snot going from breathing fire tobreathing water. OK, yeah, soI hope that very good point.That's even more of some Charmeleon inthere. Yeah, exactly.We skip over Charmeleon really. Oh no,Charmeleon. What is it? Yeah, we skipover Charmeleon really quick. He's themiddle one. He's all right. Yeah, he'sthe awkward like pubescent phase.Yeah, we throw stones at Charmeleon toget him up to a Charizard. That's what we do.Throw him a couple of locks. Fair enough.So still some Charmander in there inthat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,might not be any Charmeleon.Non-existent. Yeah, they're a child or anadult. That's what I think. Like the Ireally that's what I hope. You know, Ihope it's an evolution in the genre andnot just let's be different to be different.Yeah, that's that's a very good point,actually. They like they honestly don't.There are some key parts that they doneed to change. They want to stand out,but they only need to change everythingto stand out to be their own MMO.Exactly. Right. Exactly. Just like theWarcraft would not be confused withEverquest despite it being based on it ina lot of ways. Yeah, absolutely.Like especially when it first came out,right, like the Everquest fans wereabsolutely just like trashing World ofWarcraft for beingjust an easier Everquest.But it brought in the players, dude,because they were different in all theright ways. Like at the end of the day,World of Warcraft wasn't Everquest. Itappealed to a different audience thanEverquest. It appealed to a larger audience at that.So it's because it made the rightchanges. I hope that's what they meanthat they're going from here on out tomake the right changes to evolve the thegenre to fit the modern day becausethat's what World of Warcraft did. It fitthe modern time that it was in.And it worked out amazing for it. Thedifficult thing that would very much makethe right a mode different than any othergame I've ever played in mylife would be free to play.Without pay to win. And by the way, payto win in an MMO, in my opinion, alsoincludes being like cosmetic. I feel likethat's pay to win as well. And I reallythink I said it before. I think a battlepass is a great way to go because thenit's just pay and you can get a couple ofthese cosmetics, but you still have toearn them via in game actions. So it'snot just buying the skin to show off.Honestly, like I think of Traders postand World of Warcraft. Traders post mostof the time you can buy the tokens. Yeah,I know. It's like, I mean, they're stilldoing it, but now you can buy the tokens,which completely destroys the whole purpose of it.Just put a store in the game. It's all it does. Because they wouldn't offer any kind oflike big cosmetic or title or anything.They would be like a normal achievement.Now those normal achievements havepurpose. They put you out in the worldand give you things to do.That I think was amazing. If they putthat in a battle pass form, that would bephenomenal. Like new achievements for theFreljord saga. You know, there's all newachievements that come out. And if youbuy the battle pass, those achievementswill give you currency that you can spendon like the specialshop for like the game.The Freljord saga. That would be sick. Ilike how you keep calling it a saga aswell. Very good. Yes.I honestly have to like catch myselfbecause I'm like, I like the saga idea somuch. Yeah. I want stories. Here's wherethe heat comes in. You ready? Now we'regoing to get into theheat, guys. Everyone has.Right now, all they said was we're stillworking on it. There's a reset. We don'tknow what that means. All right.Whatever. Like, okay. But now here'swhere people started getting spicy.With this new direction, I'm excited tointroduce Faberus. I don't know how topronounce his last name,but his name is Fabrice.As the new executive producer of the MMO,Fabrice's experience as a player and apassion for creating immersive worlds isextraordinary. Having led big projects atRiot, Bioware and EA. He brings a freshperspective and a shared commitment toexcellence that will guide our team asthey continue on this difficult journey.Now, guys, I understand. Okay. EA andBioware, I'm not a fan either. But if youreally look at this guy's track record,he spent one year at EA on a game thatnever came out. And at Bioware, he workedon Mass Effect 3, a lot of the expansionsthere. And so Mass Effect 3 is actually agreat game and themultiplayer is still active today.So what he worked on at Bioware, whichwas a long time ago now at this point, isgreat. And he worked on a Star Wars gameat EA for one year, but that was twoyears before the game even released. So Idon't even call it that he worked at EA.But then everyone's like, ladies andgentlemen, Anthem 2.What? This guy has no... It's not likehe... He didn't work on Anthem.Man, everyone's just raging. Everyone'slike, we're cooked. Like, this guydoesn't bring fresh perspective. What areyou talking about? The project shouldnever have been made public now withthis. Like, it's unfortunate. It'sprobably never going to bereleased in a good state anyways.Everyone pack it up. Like, there'snothing good down here. No one's saying,like, okay, you know, we'll see what hedoes. Like, really disappointed. Can'tsay I'm surprised. It's honestly painful.I feel bad for this guy. It's like me.You know he reads this stuff. That'sprobably not helpingmorale with the team at all.Oh my gosh, that's like, I imagine youwork at a company, right? Frickin' eightyears ago, you worked on a project. Youleft that company. I don't even know howlong this was. This was a long time ago.But let's say eight yearsago, you worked at a company.Yeah, it is. Yeah, I think it's six yearsbetween then. It's probably like eightyears from... Yeah, no, five. Wait, five,six. It's almost... It's actually 10years. Wow. I think it's 10 years ago.Yeah. It's probably like a decade ago.So 10 years ago, you worked at a companythat you now left. You haven't been therefor 10 years. And then the company doessomething that's like, you know,pretty... Not everyone's a huge fan ofand they don't... No one likes it. And sothey come at you and be like, you know,we're not gonna hire you because of thiscompany. Like, that they did this backthen. Like, they did this already, liketoday. You have nothingto do with it anymore.Yeah. I'll say, I have people to rememberthat, like, at the end of the day, thescummy decisions that are being made atEA are not being made by the developers.Yeah. Like, same with any like triple Abig video game corporation. Like, do youreally think the Overwatch team decided,yeah, we're gonna put loot boxes in thegame. That's gonna be great.Like, no. And same with like, like theamount of time they're given theresources they have to make their games.The other day, that kind of stuff is notdecided by the devs. If they come outwith a bad game, they're definitely notdoing it on purpose.Yes. So like, you have to remember thatevery person that becomes a gamedeveloper is most likely doing it out ofpassion. You're not becoming a gamedeveloper to make big money because thetruth is you're probably not gonna makebig money as a game developer. Just avery strong answer. You're not going intothat field. This dude probably enteredgame development out of passion. Thisdude probably loves video games.People just kind of forget that as soonas they hear what company they're from.They start associating them with theexecs there. That's just a Twitter thing,though, honestly. Twitter in general isjust like negativity up the water.Twitter, Reddit. Yeah, they just liketend to be toxic.Everyone behind a screen name.Yeah, dude. And like, you also gottaremember that at the end of the day, mostpeople, like even with World of Warcraft,for example, right now, you're gonna seea lot of negativity on Twitter and Redditabout World of Warcraft all the time.But that's because the people who likethe game are not talking about it onReddit and Twitter. They're playing thegame. They're on World of Warcraft.I think the same thing is gonna happenwith this game, right? The people who aresilently waiting for the Riot MMO rightnow and will play it when it launches,they might not evenknow it exists right now.But when it launches, they're gonna playit and they might end up loving it andthey'll have no idea that it was made bythis guy and they won't care. I thinkthat's gonna be the majority of people.We're just seeing the Twitter and Redditpeople that are being their usual selvesabout any game that comesout even before it comes out.Yeah, and most people just like liked itand moved on like people who like it arenot gonna go down and comment. It'salways it's the always the silentmajority or the loud minority.Yeah, that's absolutely what it is. Ithink that's true for any MMO. Even thisone before it even has a stinking name.We're already there with this community.Yeah, but we both knowit's gonna be Runeterra.Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's gonna beRuneterra. God, the name better be socool. Be so cool. The name is Runeterra,dude. Oh my God, please.But yeah, I think there's gonna be amajority of people that are not in theTwitter comment section. So I don't thinkI'm not too concernedabout those people personally.Yeah, so anyway, that's what we're tryingto say for Breezus. He's gonna be fine.Oh, wait, what'd you say? He played theother game like Dragon Age.Oh, Dragon Age Inquisition. Yeah, heworked on that too. That game is verylike has tons of I think it's definitelymostly positive on Steam.Same. I mean, yeah, also, when it cameout, it was well received. I remember Iplayed a little bit of it myself backthen. And yeah, Breezus was on that.Yeah, that game definitely received hisfair share of praise. Okay, so there wego for Breezus. It's gonna beokay, guys. He's gonna be fine.And then so we move on to the next part.We started laying the groundwork for thispivot some time ago. And over the lastyear under VJ Thykar's management, webuilt key components of the TechnicalFoundation to create the kind ofambitious game we're talking about.We're grateful for VJ's leadership, andthat he'll be a part of the gameleadership team going forward as ourtechnical director. Now, this is prettybig because VJ Thykar was basically hewas in charge of the Rider of Mommobefore for Breezus took over right now.And so people are a lot of people werelike, Oh, you know, we don't know what'shappening. Did you get demoted orsomething like that? Idon't think that's the case.I think what happened here is that as theas the Rider of Mommo leader there, hereally focused in on the TechnicalFoundation and the technical portion ofthe game and built it out like built thegroundwork for this. And this is over thelast year, which means that this decisionto change direction was a year ago, andwe're hearing about it now for one.And during that time, VJ Thykar built outthe Technical Foundation in a great way.And so to allow him to focus on that,they moved him to the technical directorrole. So he doesn't have to deal with allthe other monotonous stuff.And they moved to Breezus into the Riderof Mommo like lead role so he can work oneverything else while VJ focuses evenmore on the technical portion. That'swhat I think happened.I believe that. I mean, honestly, whoknows where we like, you know, yeah, wecan't really make it to what's going on,but that's definitely a solid guess. Iwould say, yeah, like I cansee that happening for sure.It makes sense. Like he built out theTechnical Foundation, movedthe technical director role.Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I don't see whyhe would leave the project entirelybecause he seems like he's prettyinvested. So but who knows for sure. Andpeople assuming the worst are assumingthe worst without really any claim.So any evidence of anything. So whatever.But he does say some time ago and overthe last year, which means that thishappened, this happened like at thebeginning of twenty twenty three, theirreset, their change in direction.It's not happening this week. AndTrindemir said, let merelease a tweet on it.You know, this is like a year in themaking. Yeah, yeah, this was definitely apretty like predeterminedtweet, I would say. Yeah.This feels way too thought out for it tojust like be them giving us an update onwhat happened last night.Yeah, yeah, I would have expressed thatall of this has been happening for awhile now, just based on howthis tweet has been formatted.Like it seems like they're already wellinto development on on thisnew version of the right MMO.Yep. And what I reallylike is they laid out.They're saying they laid out thetechnical foundation for it. And I feellike that really showsthat they have a path.They already like they're not saying thatthey're resetting and they're trying tofigure out a new direction.That means they really have the directionlike the technical foundation.And like I think we were talking about itearlier, the art assets and the stuffthat they built out for that over theyears so far, it's likethey're going to go to waste.I don't think the art style is going tochange. They're just changing thedirection of the core game mechanics ofthe actual game and how you play it.And the technical foundation has beenbuilt out. So they're onthe they're on the path.And now it's just about putting in thework to get there. Likethey have the roadmap.Yeah, I definitely agree. It's not likethey're like, oh, this is too similar tothe most you've played before.We scrapped it. Oh, well, we'll figure itout. It's like, no, they're alreadythey're already there.They've already figured out how to makethis MMO unique andhow to make it stand out.They're like they're they're well aheadof what this tweet mightcome off as to some people.Yes, I'm with you. It'slike it was my thought.And then here's wherethings things get bad again.So that was kind of like a neutralportion. There's onlylike 15 comments on it.No one's really saying anything becauseit doesn't really tell us anything.But here's the part where things getheated even more heated than the lastone. So this says, youknow, that's saying a lot.Resetting our development path also meanswe will be going dark for along time, like several years.This silence will help provide space forthe team to focus on the incredibleamount of work ahead of them.We understand the excitement anticipationthat surrounds new information, but weask for your trustduring this silent phase.Remember, no news is good news, as itmeans we're hard at work, pouring ourhearts and souls into making somethingthat we hope you'll love.Now, that's interesting because I don'tremember them evergiving us news to begin with.I was going to say, I feel like we'vebeen we've been in the dark.Yeah, exactly. When werethey in the light, dude?Yeah, we've been in the dark for afreaking while. Like Idon't remember any news.I wouldn't have the only the last newsthat we got was fromGhostcrawler saying it's an MMO.Here we are.It was the reply.20 episodes later.Okay.So like we don't have any news. The onlylike the only things we talk about reallyis we talk about the lore because me andyou are both kind of lore nerds.We talk about what we would like to seein the right of a mole.Well, how we'd like to see like the worldand the sagas and and how we'd like theexpansions and payment models.That's what we talk about.Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is allpurely from our imagination.Everything we've never covered news.Yeah. And trust me, if there was news, wewould cover it. Just like right now.But there's never been any news.We've never had any news.I was like, he's goingdark. Well, what? I don't know.Yeah.Literally, I'm like, yeah, this is why Iwait to shake things up, guys.But I think, you know, maybe he's just hejust wanted to say like, like he wantedto say that the development path is longand we're not going to betalking about it for a while.And so he just wanted to say that. And hefelt like it wasn't enough by saying wesound of him also means we'll be we'll bea long time, like several years.He wanted to say, like, we're going dark,like we're going to be working on it.But this is a poor choice of termsbecause I don't know who it was.We've never had any news to begin with.The silence continues.Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like more of thesame. I mean, like, that's fine.Right. Because likethis is a stinking MMO RPG.If this game's to the scale of an MMORPG, yeah, they're probably not going totalk about it for a while because they'redeep into massive, like gigantic scalevideo game development.That's going to be forever until we seeanything, which islike expected of an MMO.But I just thought it was very funny.They tweeted this out now saying like,yeah, we're not going togive any news for a while.OK.I can't even hear without laughing.I really tried to thinkabout the story of my life.I was like, man, didwe ever get any news?Did I miss something?Yeah. No, no, we did it.We definitely did it.Yeah, we definitely did not.I went to the right of Mo.com.I was like, what news does he have? I'mlike, oh, that's the speculator.There's there's ghost crawling.I'm like, OK. Yeah. And then I was justhe's got an awesome lore section andstuff too on his web.And it's a guy I have noidea the right of a mole person.But there comes a greatwebsite and that there's no news.If there was news, theywould have had it on there.Oh, yeah, they'd be the first.But before even we get there, they'realready on the mark.Absolutely.But yeah, that was just very funny.And I mean, yeah, this isalso to like to be expected.Right. And I kind of like that they'regoing to, you know, not have to worryabout constant feedback from obviouslyTwitter being a prime example right now.Like, thank God they're not receivingfeedback throughout development.Yeah, because it's going to be a lot ofdoom and gloom before the game even comesout if they say anything else.So I'm glad they're just going to stickto what they think will be a good game.And I trust in them to make a good gameand they're just going torely on their vision alone.So I'm kind of happy about that, to behonest, even though like it's also what Iexpected, like I said, butit's it's on writing now.They're going to stick with what theythink is right for the game.Yeah. And then like this is obviouslylike I said, you know, the the news, thenews that people did not take it well.OK, the comment section was was was fire.OK, people were people were not happy,but there was tweets like can't wait toplay this when I'm 50.So I'm assuming he'slike 45 or something.Yeah, probably. He sounds excited,though. I'm glad givenlike the news that we got.I'm happy some peopleare optimistic about it.Yeah, we're assuming that he's 45. Hemight be 18 and he's saying I can't waitto play around 50, whichmight be more more on the nose.But like, yeah, people were upset.Can't wait to play the game.Yeah, I'm excited to.Obviously, we're all excited.But the game with the MMO, the thing is,is that it's going to be a game thatyou're playing for hopefully the next 10years, like something like that long.So if it's successful, yeah, for what's acouple of years now,I'd expect that of an MMO.Yeah, yeah, I'll gladly wait like, youknow, like like six years for 10 years.Of a great game.Let it roll, guys. Let it cook.We are not cooked. Let them cook.And then he finishes with thank you forbelieving in us and for your patience.We're incredibly committed to thismission and we look forward to theadventure ahead and thestories we'll tell together.And that's the end ofthe tweet. That's it.We've completed it. We've gone throughthe whole tweet fromthe beginning to the end.Now you guys know what's up. I hope youunderstand that it's really not as bad aseveryone's kind of making it out to be.But bad news gets theclicks and that's how it works.Oh, yeah, people love that.I'm sorry that we're not going to be toonegative. That's that's our bad.Honestly, we should be more negative.We could try to makethe thumbnail negative.It's over. The right of them always.I'm always.Who's a really angry character?We could put in thethumbnail of this episode.Darius like seething.Yeah. Yeah. I'll get the angriest Darius.I could find slap him on there.Yeah. I put everything on fire.The right MMO is gone.Cancel the brazen Hydra is done.We'll show the brazen Hydra logo on fire.Great.Oh, dude.Honestly, at this point, the right MMOcould get canceled andwe'll still talk about it.Yep.The only little podcast still alive afterthere's no more item.Yeah.What do you guys talk about thepossibility that riot could go back ontheir word and startdeveloping an MMO again.Yeah.Despite them saying specifically thatthey won't be making an MMO.Yeah. Here's what we want out of a riotMMO that doesn't exist.Hey, we've alreadydone that for this long.Like we could go on for 200more episodes without content.And we will.I do want to ask you this.I want to ask you this.So the big thing that he's saying here isthat we're going dark.It's going to beresetting our development path.Also means we'll be going dark for a longtime, likely several years.So based on that, weare currently in 2024.Your previous estimation.I think you said 2028would be the release.Yeah, I think I said late.Yeah. Now.Honestly.Let's say if we're in 2024right now, I said several years.Like yeah, at this point, Isaid late 2027, early 2028.I'm going to say.Since they're pretty far off, I'm goingto say anywhere betweenlike early 2029 to 2030.Yep.That's what I was thinking.That is the only thing that I was thinking. I really think 2029is going to be the day.And by the way, it's not going to be.It's not like you're not going to hearanything all the way up until 2029.You're going to start getting, I think,and probably not this year for sure.No, nothing this year.I don't think you're goingto get anything next year.Maybe towards the end of like next yearis when we maybe we'll start hearingnews again and maybe the name and startlike actually getting updates.Honestly, I'm thinking if the game drops in 2029, I would say.I think we don't.I mean, we might get some information inlike 2026 was actually my thought.2027, we get some kind of trailer, somekind of name drop, something.Yeah.Yeah, that makes it in 2028would be like beta kind of thing.Yeah, exactly.Yeah.It's supposed to be beta where we getlike starting zonesand stuff like that thatwe could play through like up to level 10or whatever the heck they do forprogression.That would be my bet is that 2026, westart getting information.I'm fine with this timewhen I'm fine with it.2029 does not sound that far away.Time feels like it'sflying anyways, to be honest.I can't believe that.Wait, when's ouranniversary for this podcast?Like when did we start it?No way we're gettingup on an anniversary.No, when did we start it?I want to know.I know my YouTube channel.I've been going now for almost two years,which is insane to me.No way.Yeah.Let me see when my first video dropped.I can just check on YouTube when ourfirst video dropped for theBrazen Hydra.But my first video for YouTube.Five months ago.What the heck do our firstepisode was five months ago.Yeah, we're almost at our half year.That's crazy.Yeah, I thought I've been like, obviouslyI could have just counted the weeks out.You know, divide by four.August 22nd, August 29th, 2022 is myfirst video on YouTube and my channel.Oh my God, that's absurd.Yeah, you're right.We're flying through this content.Yeah, I'm going to fly through it.We're chillin.We are.We're not going anywhere.But I will say this.So talking about the right of Mo, we'regoing to go back to what we what we weresaying before, which is like Asman Gouldkind of he's he's playing World ofWarcraft. I was playing World of Warcraftand World of Warcraft.It's great in a lot of ways.We've said that already.But there's a lot of ways that World ofWarcraft does need to be fixed.Now, I'm going to go through therecommendations of Asman Gould.I want to hear your take on hisrecommendation to fix.Wow. And then why that can be applied tothe right of Mo like how what they cando to kind of fix it here.Right. Because preemptive solutionsalways better preemptive care.Yeah.All this.Oh, definitely.I need to make like sectionsounds pretty empty of care.You know, like I want sound effects likedifferent sections that we have.We should do that.Yeah. Where's where'swhere's our sound bar?Heck yeah.Yeah.Like radio shows.I have a stream deck.Perfect. Perfect.I'm going to figure it out.Expect sound effects eventually.Great point.Good job.It's all going to be super positive.Like Wii Sports?Nice shot.Oh, I kind of do like that.All right.You ready for the first one?Yeah, let's hear it.His first point was reset everybody'sspells and then remake each class with10 spells or less.What are your thoughts?Whoa.That's they're all dramatic.They're all dramatic.They're all intense.That's wild.They're all going tosmack you in the face.Yeah, that'sdefinitely a smack in the face.I don't know, dude.Those have to be a really good 10abilities and spells where I still havefun mashing them after like 60 hours.And that's just for like two patchesbecause like I think the fun of having20 abilities is that you can get by onlyusing like five of them.Honestly, you'll be able to do like thebasic content in the game.But if you're looking to get into likearena PVP and you're looking to likeclimb ranked, you slowly start learningyour abilities to start rememberingwhere they are and what they do and thesituations you want to use them in.So I kind of like having your basicrotation of abilities and having themore obscure situational abilities thatyou learn how to use as you get betterat the game.I think that added a lot of play time forme in World of Warcraft,especially during PVP.Yeah.So for me, I like hada 20 example of that.So like my paladin, right?An ability that would definitely get cutwould be Shackle Undead because it'spretty useless.Yeah.Shackle something.However, if you go against the deathknight, especially an unholy death knightand you Shackle Undead their pet, it'sreally annoying for them.Doesn't that feel like you are using yourclass the best of your ability.You are using everything inyour power to get an advantage.I love that.But there is a downside.There is a downside.Like I love.I agree with you that a lot of spells isa good feeling because you can findthose moments where youwant to use that spell.And if it's like even a small moment likethat where you're almost or likeyou're in a dungeon, like almost alldungeons don't have undead,then you get that one dungeon that has anundead race and you can check like,oh, the Palais going to CC now.It's kind of cool.Yeah.But the downside is that it reduces theability for other like if you want tohave this game be cross platform, if youwant to have Xbox or PlayStationand PC, 10 spells and those being likequality spells is better.Yeah, no, that's a very good point.That's true.This is definitely I don't know if theywant to go cross platform,but I prefer.Yeah, that's a good question.I mean, here's the thing.Final Fantasy 14 has full controllersupport there on PlayStation.I don't know how many people play onPlayStation because I honestly don'tknow anyone that plays Final Fantasy 14other than me for likea good couple of years.So I don't know how many people areplaying on PlayStation.I feel a preferred controller if theyenjoy controller if they're using itcompetitively in therating scene on that game.But it is there and I did try it at onepoint and they they're very similar Worldof Warcraft.They have you have your 20 abilities,your basic rotation, your build spendabilities in yourobscure situational ones.But honestly, it worked outpretty well in my experience.I will say it's obviously not as good askeyboard and mouse and never will be evenclose.Yeah, so there isgoing to be that downside.It would be better with10 abilities for sure.But they do make it work.I'm not sure if it's worth it to have 20abilities and have that kind ofcontroller support, but it does work.See, I had I used those an add on that wehad and we'll talk about add ons in a bit.But there was an add on that I had thatallowed me to use my controller on myworld of Warcraft, my PC, and I had my PChooked up to my TV and then I was playingwith a controller, which was pretty cool.But I will say this, like I did heal adungeon, but it's muchyou're not efficient.Like it's never it's going to be as goodas a keyboard and mouse with that manyspells because it takes one buttoninstead of pressing one button.Now you have to press to like you have topress the R trigger and then a.Yeah, yeah.Or in the same way.Exactly.You're holding down yournumber one version triggers.Yeah, no, I agree with that.No matter what.I think it's it's it's kind of likecomparable to like a first person shooterplaying with the controller versusplaying mouse and keyboard.Right. Your aims are way better.I'm awesome keyboard.I think this is an even bigger extentbecause it's even more so like especiallyyou're playing like a tab targeting a tabtargeting game like World of Warcraftor found my 14.I definitely had issues with that beforeI see 14 where you'retrying to target oneguy dude just home and you're likemashing a to to cycle through all thetargets on your screen right now.They're like they had different modes.They had different like targeting modeswhere it's like, oh, this will targetwhoever you're facing first versus thiswill target from leftto right on your screen.They really tried to accommodate for it.And ultimately it's a good experience.It is a positive experience.I would say it's justnot mouse and keyboard.Nothing's going to match it.I have a solution instead of reducing thespells to compensate for PlayStationXbox sell the Runeterra battle keyboardand mouse combination with the lab padunderneath it with the collector'sedition collector's edition.No computer at this point.Just let them use mouseand keyboard on the X box.That's the best solution.Honestly.Yeah, I were there into that.I don't know if you could do that.I found my seat 14.You could just hook up a mouse keyboard.That'd be awesome on your PlayStationPlayStation doessupport mouse and keyboardjust depends if the game allows for it.Really?Yeah, I'd be very shocked if I was 14does not allow it because the razorset up for mouse and keyboard.Yeah, you know razor.They literally havesomething that's literally for that.Like we're sitting on the couch andplaying with mouse and keyboard.It's like, oh, yeah.Yeah.And of course, air has another one.Yeah, they have stuff like that.And we're we haveseveral years apparently.So there should be time to develop it.It's not already there, but it'sdefinitely why you'regoing dark to developthe ultimate mouse and keyboard lap pad.Yeah, I do thinkthat's the best solution.I think 10 spells a bit too few.Yeah, because I understand.Okay, for a lot ofpeople who don't play MMOs.I think this one of the most overwhelmingaspects to them is when they watch iton Twitch or on YouTube and they seethose 20 spells and abilities and theysee the crazy UI and they don't know whatthe heck's going on.They get overwhelmed and they don'tbother playing, but it's all about howthose 20 spells are presentedto you as you play the game.Exactly.And so World of Warcraft did a very good job,especially in vanilla with slowlyintroducing the spells to you as youtrain them from your class trainer oreven just in modern while where youjust kind of get them naturally as youlevel up, you get those spells.You just have one spell at the start.Yeah, you're you're getting one spell andability at a time and you'rereading if you read each and every oneand you actually just try them outon the closest enemy, you're going tofigure it out pretty quickly becauseyou're really not like getting 20abilities or spells at once.That's not going to happen unless you'reboosting a character,which you should not if it's your firsttime playing the game.So it I think they could easily get awaywith 20 spells and abilities.It's just about how theypresent them to the player.Yeah, I'm I'm so we'rein agreement on that.We don't like the 10 spells for everyclass and deleting all the spells.And so the right of themall, I would like to see spells.Yeah, you got to remember that when we'replaying this class for hundredsof hours, like I don't want 10 spells andabilities for hundreds of hours.I'm not going to play aclass for that long otherwise.OK, I'm with you.But I'm curious even more about youropinion on this next one.Remove all rating difficulties.Remove all ratingdifficulties except for 40 man raids.Then make 40 man raids about aschallenging as Ulduar hard mode,which Ulduar just a raid.But he's basically saying take all thedifficulties away and make it just onedifficulty and it's a 40 man raid.Dude, OK, this is very conflicting.My my absolute fantasysays yes, 100 billion percent.Yes, make it just thisis how strong the boss is.Yeah, kill it or you don't.Yeah, the logical brain in me says theproblem is that we're not in thetimes anymore where like the fun of itwas the journey of slowly figuring outthe boss and getting strong enough tofight him with your team and all thatbecause like, do people down like heroic,which is like supposed to be prettydamn difficult bosses,they'll down him in like week one.What are those people going to do now?Because people have just gotten better at video games now is theproblem. That's the one thing that hascontent for those peoplewho eat it up in two seconds.Yeah, it gives them aharder challenge to pursue.But I always thought it was stupid thatyou're just killingthe same boss like again.Yeah, I agree with that, dude.That's why I think I like the idea ofhard difficulty with special mechanicsthat make it interesting,you know, or like a secret phase for thefinal boss where theytransform into something crazyand they normally don't dothat on the regular difficulty.I always think that's really cool.Actually, I did likethat. Yeah, I do like that.Like the mythic fight and the heroicfight are sometimes different than thenormal and obviously LFR.Yeah. Yeah.But I would say I think two difficultieswould work, honestly.Yeah, it's gotten overblown.Yeah, it's way it's so bloated now.Yeah, it's a problem for World ofWarcraft for I would say.What would you say difficulties that youkeep and difficulties that you remove?Oh, we're definitely removing LFR normal.100 percent. And you don't.There's a lot we can talk about LFR.And I think that's going to be not thisepisode, the next episode.But what else would you do?Yeah, I would say heroic should be alittle tougher to keep people in longeras long as, you know,it stays entertaining and people don'tjust get frustrated and quit.Right. There's a nicebalance to keep there.That'd be your new normal.And then mythic.Yeah, I don't know if I don't know ifmythics too hard the way it is right nowin World of Warcraft.That raid difficultymight be a little too high.There were people don't even attempt it.But I do think there should be some levelof like something that will keep thosepeople around those die hard players.Yeah, there should be the normaldifficulty, which islike you kill the boss.This is it. This isthe normal difficulty.And if you do this, it'sstill it cannot be easy.Like it's supposed to be difficult enoughthat not everyone's successful.Like some people yet aren't good enoughto kill normal and they never do.Yeah. And there should be the onedifficulty above that for thepeople that are just insane.And this one is like, yeah, almost noone's able to do it.Like these are this is for like the upperechelon guilds, like the race to worldfirst type people likethey're able to complete this raid.And it's not even something that youwould gear out of, you know, like I'mjust gears out of it at the end.Yeah, it does never be a thing. Yeah.I mean, like, yeah, I definitely I wantthat feeling of, you know, you see theguy with the cool title and the coolarmor, the cool sword in the in thecapital city of like of Demacia.You're like, whoa, that that dudecompleted freaking likelike like mythic Acacia.You know, he did he did the Acacia raidon the highest difficulty with his guild.My God, that's insane.Yes, you know, you want that feeling inan MMO and be like,man, I wish that was me.I need to get into a guild. I need to dothat difficult. I needto do that hard raid.That's that's an amazing feeling in anMMO that's so hard to capture because youneed to get that difficulty just right towhere somebody really tries and gets intoa good group of people, good guild.And they really push to get that thathighest level. They can do it without itbeing like insanely frustrating.People just don't even attempt it.I think what you just said was literallyone of the most important things thatthey need to solvefor the right of a mole.And I think that as men's next piece tiesinto this without even knowing.So you ready for the last one? Let's hearit. Remove all addons with no exceptions.He's spitting. Wow.This man is being true.Wow. That's the mosttruthful thing I've ever heard.I will say one thing, though, aboutremoving all add ons with no exceptionsis that the problem withBlizzard is that they haven't.For example, if you want to do RP on a ona server, right. AndI understand everyone.You need to do a total RPthree. You need certain add ons.Now, I don't think that's reason enoughto keep all add ons.And I think you need to draw a line inthe sand that says no add ons.It can't be some addons or we approve add ons.I think it should be up to them to createwhat the add ons are now.They need to create that.Yeah, exactly.If people want some new RP tools to makeRP more fun and easier, then it should beup to Blizzard or Riot tomake that into the game.Exactly. Not not some random developercreating an add on for the game.Like if there's something that needs tobe in the game, they should add it andthey should take into fact the fact that,yeah, there's peoplethat do with RP stuff.And everyone that's doingRP is using this add on.Then you should just make it in the game.I understand like if it's not there, youknow, you won't know it, but you're goingto be taking feedback like people if thisadd on never existed, there would havebeen enough feedback from the player basetelling Blizzard thatthis is what they need.And it would have been implemented in thegame at this point if there was no addons like you would have had an RP featurealready if there wasn't add ons.That's extremely true. Absolutely.Even like it's reached a point whereBlizzard relies pretty heavily on the addons that exist in the game, especiallydeadly boss mods, which is it's an add onthat tells you how to dothe boss fights correctly.So you're like boss fights will have likecertain mechanics like, oh, you have tostand behind the boss at this point.He's going to do a big swordswing right in front of him.If you stand in that,you're going to die.Then he does a space fight.When it's time. Yeah. Yeah.Watch your step. Yeah.It'll straight up tell you at the exacttime when you need to get behind thatboss, there'll be a big pop up on yourscreen saying get behind the boss andthere'll be likeaudio cue and everything.All you have to do is follow what thegame's telling what theadd on tells you to do.And Blizzard has reached a point wherethey've increased the difficulty of raidsso much to compensate for that add onbecause they expect everyone to have itnow because everyone does have it.Well, so if you're thinking about theboss, I appreciated it when I wasn'tusing deadly boss mods, I appreciated therate a little bit morebecause I was able to see.I feel like I wasn'twatching the mechanics anymore.You know, I was watching thetext to tell me what to do.And then I was able to like, I reallylooked at the boss when I wasn't usingwhich don't tell anyone I did this.Otherwise, I'll never get into a raidever again. Yeah, I was about to sayevery raid ever did with Samikas. I neverused add ons. I neverused deadly boss. Wow.Yeah. Really? I would just watch. Yeah.And you appreciate the bossmore like you're watching.You're not listening for the countdown orlistening to run awaylittle girl or the air horn.Watch your step. Yeah. Or the air horn.You're just watching the boss and you'rewatching what the boss isdoing and reacting to it.Now, my reaction was a little slower thaneveryone else's. And so it did put me inlike sometimes like if I had to run to acircle. Yeah, I was clearly delayed.You know, but I got like there were timeswhen I'd see everyone preemptively movingto places and I would justpreemptively move with them.But I didn't know why they're movinguntil I saw the boss do a move and I waslike, oh, they're moving to these spotsthat they can get intoa circle. I understand.That's insane. It's like like you arewatching like behind the curtain, likewhat it actually looks like when allthese people have insanely perfect A.I.timing on the bossmechanics. How weird it must look.Yeah, but I went back to while I'dprobably not use deadly boss once again.What I was doing was I'd go on wellheadand I'd read theabilities and what they do.And then they have like these littlevideos that show them doing the fight orwhatever on wellhead. And I was able tosee like what the animation is.And so I just remember that. And I gointo the fight. And that was way betterthan deadly boss mods.But the problem is that the fights tunedfor deadly boss mods. And so the timingis set up for that. And people arepreemptively doing stuffbecause of deadly boss.So yeah, that's the biggest problem isthat blizzers actually expecting peopleto have add ons at thispoint. That's just bad.That just makes for bad game design,especially for new players. So in termsof Asmongold, you onlywe only agreed with one.Wow. Yeah, I was surprised, honestly.Remove all the things like for 140 man,you didn't agree and I didn't agree.We reset everybody's spells and thenremake each class with 10spells or less. Neither of us.Yeah, I hard disagree with that, to behonest. Yeah, I hard disagree. Oh, wait.Yeah. But we did agree with the one.Yeah. Remove all add ons with noexceptions. We agree with that.Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely like onebillion percent removal. Add ons createdso many problems for the game for sure.It made everything sounnecessarily muddy.And this is why the right mode just don'teven get into the waters with the addons. Don't even get into the waters withall these different difficulties.Should be two difficulties. Don't getinto the water with add ons. Don't evenoffer the option. Like just keep it asthere's no add ons and letthe game move forward from that.In terms of spells, I do think that thereshould be a bunch of spells. So thatreally doesn't help the right of themode. I hope they had a lot of spells. Iwould not like to see a.What was it was a new world that had likethree spells trash? Oh, I mean, honestly,it's one of the reasons whyI don't like Guild Wars 2.I couldn't get into it personally becauseGuild Wars 2 you have like eightabilities. You switch weapons and thatwill give you different abilities by whatweapon you have equipped.But even then, it did not feel likeenough for me. I'm so used to my 20abilities. And that was honestly, some ofthe most fun I had in World of Warcraftwas just like pushingmy class to its limit.Yeah, seeing how much potential I can getevery single ability being as efficientas possible with all my spells rightutilize everything likethat was having the most fun.You felt like, yeah, I'm a warrior. I'mgoing to spell reflect this mage shootinga big fireball at me. Bam. I got spellreflect my keyboard. I'm ready for that.Bouncer right back at him.Most warriors, ladies, disability arenas,where you shine in that like changingyour when you're in that when you're inan arena and you're changing your talentbefore the fight starts because the classthat you're going upagainst, you feel like a G.And when you use that, you change thattalent. Yeah. And you changed it just forthat person. It feels so good. And that'swhy I don't thinklimiting spells is the way to go.Do 10 spells is the same. Oh, my God.Heck, no, I agree that somehow talkingabout it made me hate the idea of 10abilities even more. Ido not want 10 abilities.It's not an RPG. It's a more RPG. Yeah,it's yeah, I want there to be a decentgap between the the the warrior whoutilizes all their abilities and thewarrior who uses their basic five thatthey can just spam andget by with, you know.Everyone can get by with like fiveabilities, but you can you can push itfurther. I love Ilove to have that option.We got to disagree. I think the fact thatwe're brothers, like we just don'tdisagree a lot. Like we kind of we talkthat and so we get on the podcast andwe're like, yeah, great point.I'm like, you know, you know what? Youmade a great point. And you're like, no,I think it was about it. So yeah, it'sthe problem. And I'm like, yeah, I agree.I mean, in all affairs, we like a lot ofour world of work, at least my world ofwork I've experienced wasspending with you. Yeah.I think I literally all of it sinceLegion was me and you. Yeah, that's likewhen I would play. Yeah, straight up. Solike the things that we did together,things we thought were fun.Yeah. And we were always like, like, allthe same things about. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,we guys each other up all the time onthis podcast. I think it's hilarious.Well, this was honestly good. Look, we'regoing to keep doing this, guys. It's notgoing to stop. We're going to keep doingthe brazen Hydra until the right mo comesout long time afterthe right mo comes out.We're going to be here. We've gone thiswhole time without any news. If I realizeit might not seem like that, but we have.And so we're going to do it. Yeah.Yeah, really, we just talk about my mom'sbecause we're both passionate mo playersand we speculate on the right and what wethink they should do andwhat they shouldn't do.And we talk about the lower because weboth think the lower is important and wekeep doing that. You know, we're notgoing anywhere. So I hope you enjoyedthis episode and we'll continue thisconversation in the next one right herein the brazen Hydra pub in Bilgewater.You can find me at Engrove on socials andYouTube and you can find me at conquest95 on Twitter. Let's stay up there in thegoings on for this podcast.Specifically, follow us at the brazenHydra on Twitter where you can add usquestions or just topics for us to talkabout. 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