#19—SKARNERS NEW LORE changes everything for IXTAL, why the Riot MMO cannot be a WoW 2, and MORE!

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Hello and welcome to the creaking saltsoak tables the brazen hydro pub inBilgewater where your hosts and grovenConquest and today we'll be sharing apint and talking all thingswe're in terror and beyondWe actually do have a bit of actual newstoday guys get excitedbecause garners lore has changedYep completely different flipped on itshead. But why we're gonnaanswer the question right herethe brazen hydro pub and then I actuallywant to talk to you alittle bit after that aboutWhy the right of a mo cannot be a whileto and why a while to?Would not be a good idea or would it? OohOkay. Yeah, we did touch onthat a little bit last episodeI'm definitely down to delve in deeperbecause I know we can talk about that forliterally ever and it's avery important topic for anyMMOYepWhich is why I put it second on the listand I didn't even add a topic after thatbecause if we do okayWe'll talk foods across from terror andcooking, but I don't know ifwe're gonna get there anywaysYeah, no, you're absolutely right. That'sthat's gonna be a heavy topicOkay. So first let's talk scarner nowscarner is a bracken and think of thebracken's are justscorpions bunch of scorpion peopleOkay, like the theAnub'arak in World of Warcraft fromLike the yeah, that's the spider peopleexcept they're scorpion peopleKeep that in mind people. Okay. YeahThe old lore for scarner was that he wasa bracken and the bracken would storetheir memories and like their lifeessence into these crystals and whenevera bracken would die like the crystalwould be left behind andthen a new bracken would be born andthey'd go and find these crystals and thecrystals would almost merge with them andThey would become you know, like thisthey'd have all the memories of theirpast generations and allwith the fighting abilitySo they basically keep getting strongerand stronger and stronger because ofthese crystals as they would ageThat's news. Yeah, so they kind of wouldbe they would be dyingbut they kind of liveforever too at the same time andYeahAnd scarner's obviously like he's aLeague of Legends championSo he's a special snowflake and there'snothing wrong with that. He's a champion.So he has to be a special snowflakeOh, yeah. Yeah, you know meet mepersonally. I think NPCs cantotally be special snowflakesThat's perfectly fine as long as theytotally overpower usExactlyHe was definitely there like scarnerspent years looking for hiscrystal and he ended up findingyou know the bestest crystal of them alland it made him super powerful andit took him a while but he bound hebinded with the crystal andthen not long after thatthe rune wars happened andThe bracken were like well humans arestupid. We're gonna go hibernate untilthey all kill themselves andthen we'll just come back upSo we're gonna give themsome time to wipe themselves outWow, I really like that that just waitedour strategy of their idiotsYeah, we'll win by doing absolutelynothing because they're gonna killthemselves. That was the planDidn't always plan because we're likewe're like ants. We don't really stop butscarner was one of the struggleyeah, so he was one ofthe strongest right andSo they all kind of went to sleep andslumbered and scarner was the last one toone of the last ones to go toSleep and he was likenear the top near the surfaceHe eventually awakens to an explosion andit turns out there'sa band of robbers whoFound their cave and they were cuttingthe lifestones from thedifferent bracken and keep in mindSo the bracken were like they almost werein a stasis right?They're kind of a kenekomaThey couldn't just wake up whenever theywanted, but they wereawake so they felt the painAnd scarner was kind of waking up and hewas hearing the screams of the otherbracken as they wereripping off their lifestonesScarner eventually awakens and destroysthese bands of robbersAnd he you know awakes hetried all the crystals are stolenSo the some of them are completely deadsome of the bracken completely dead andsome of the ones that do awakenWhen a bracken doesn't have its stonethey only pretty much dieAnd so the ones that had their stonesstolen that did awaken died shortly afterOh my god, yeah, and so heends up hearing a crystalHe goes to this village kills all of themtakes some of thecrystals and goes back homeThat's kind of the end of that's wherescarner's Lord pretty much stopsHe's like trying to get the crystals backand half of his people aredead because humans see shinyWow, okayThat's I mean pretty straightforward andto the point also very likeWow, that was that was powerful for howshort it was it's pretty good lorethe guy had to do with hex tech and Ithink that's why they kind ofTook it out of there is cuz like he gottied into hex tech and that was like thehex tech crystals kind of thingeventually, ohSo so let's hear how they changed it thenthey you're saying theyremoved hex tech from the equationYeahSo they didn't just remove hex tech fromthe equation. They completely nuked himand completely redidYeah, he's not even close to like thesame guy anymore. So the new real orfirst scar. Yeah, not even closeSo the new they moved him. He's not evenin should he mindanymore the guys in Ishtar?Okay, Oh what?Yeah, what?Okay, and so scarner was basically he's apart of this group. I canget their exact name for youHe was a part of a groupdifferent like OhOpal hin Opal hin whichis like a bracken clan andthey're all progeny of thisbrood mother in a shali andhe's one of those progeny and theybasically live under ish doll andThe thing about a scarner ishe has these feeling like he canHe I'll just go through the kind of thelower high level really quickSo he was on top of the brood mother theall of his brother and leftBut he ended up studying the brood motherbecause he's kind of a curiousscorpion andHe and he's studying herand he's figuring out stuffand then eventually he starts he startslearning how to like feel the vibrationsof the land because all ofthe bracken kind of have thisElemental sense not all of them use them.They're pretty strong as is they're hugebut he also have an elemental sense andhe's feeling vibrations in the land andThey starts feeling these newcomers andthis is actually the theeast the westward diasporaWhich is where everyone kind of leavesIonia because I only asthe first lands, right?And so everyone's leaving Ionia going indifferent places. This is where Heliacomes the Blessed IslesThough that's during that time the buhrupeople from BilgewaterThough they settled during that time andincluding people settling in ish dollNow these people have no idea what'sbeneath them that this whole clan ofbracken are under themBut opal han his mother does not trustthe newcomers, butscarner is like a really curiousOne of these and he's like he wants tostudy them and he's looking at the humansand he's like he's interested in themBut he's also thinks they're crazybecause they're like born toil and dieVery quickly and he's likethe bracken we live foreverbut he's like wow, they do a lot in thisshort existence likethese short lives andthenOur mockslide is about to destroy theburgeoning society that's getting formedand he jumps in he's like, okayI'm gonna save these people so he emergesfrom the surface first time they everseen anything likehim and he protects themdestroys theRock slide using his likeelemental magic that he hasAnd a very cool with him. Yeah, and hestarts getting close to the ish dollypeople he starts liking themHe's like, yeah, you know, we're cool. Hestarts hanging out with them more thaneven his own brethren andSo he helps them actually form, you know,the the ish dolly havelike the axiomata. OhYeah, which is like the differentelemental disciplinesHe helped them establish that by hebasically helped him establish thetheWhere like all the elemental power fromthe runeterra kind of combinesHe helped him establish a home like abuilding on top of that.I forget what it's calledAnyways, he helps them establish all ofthat with the axiomata and stuff and evenmore important thathe establishes the YoonNow the Yoon teller the ruling class andShurima are in IshtarThey're like the leaders they controleverything and the thing about the Yoonteller is you cannotbe voted into the YoonTell unless it's unanimous every singleperson needs to agreeAnd he's the one who started the Yoontell and he's the one who established whocan be in it who can't and so basicallyHe's had a say in everything from Ishtarfrom the very beginningGeezYeah, okayThey just know all right. It keeps goingso he's he's the king right nowHe helps them form the Yoon tell he helpsthem, you know discoverelemental magic and all this stuffnow outside of Ishtar the Shuriman Empireis pretty much just likeFalling apart. It's not falling apart. Hethe Shuriman Empire islooking to Ishtar for alliesThat's what happensso Shurima is lookingto Ishtar for allies andSkarner is pretty vocal that he thinksthat they shouldn't ally with Shurima andthey should just stay to themselvesbut the Yoon tell go and join the Shurimaand eventually a kathya rebels and that'swhere the void warstarts and a kathya andBasically the Ishtar helped ShurimaI don't want to go into like the Sun diskand stuff but ish Dali majorsoption even build the Sun diskThat's where the Alliance really formsAkathya rebels andthey summon the void inNow think about it this way Skarner'stelling them the whole timeDon't don't involving what else justisolate stick to ourselves because humansaren't like the humans are greatBut they can like we should be morecareful more cautious when venturing outThey venture out and he's like, okay,I've been proven rightbut at what cost like so many lives hadto die and then theShuriman Empire collapses andEventually Skarner just has like nothingfor disgust left for theworld outside of their jungleHe thinks like outside ofIshtar is pain and sufferingAnd then I kind of don't blame himYeah, that's his only experience with theoutside world is Shurimascrewing up and you knowIt kathya happening tosummon the void humansYeah, like oh my absolute abominationThis guy even know about the void beforethis I guess he's beenaround for a long timeOh, he was we usedthere for the rune warsYeah, but I don't think Idon't know if there's any voidRemnants in Ishtar and theypretty much stayed in IshtarSo I don't know if he knows anythingabout the void other than that was hisfirst encounter with themWow, okayThat's very interesting. So yeah, he'salready like yeah outside world. They'resummoning some really dark stuffGod knows what but we're gonna stay awayfrom it. And that's atotally fair claim to makeYep, and then he sees the rune wars tooAnd don't forget it's like literallypeople nuking each other with runesYeah, so yeah, that's like his only otherexperience with the outside world. Soyeah, yeah, I you know what?I'm starting to feel for Skarneractually, I think he's rightHis so he convinces the you and tell todo it to isolate to usetheir magic to isolate IshtarHe's the reason Ishtar is isolated. He'sthe reason the reason for Ishtar periodnow. What the yes was IshtarHe is the whole thingYeahWas there never anExplanation for this stuff before no likethe elements of Ishtar and the jungle.No, we just know that thatIshtar people are shrouded in mystery andthey don't like anyone outsideThat's insaneSo they changed Skarner to give us anentire lore reveal for Ishtar. Yeah tiredstinking history of this place. YesBut I gets better. I'm shocked. Go ahead.Go ahead. It gets better.But go ahead say your pointI mean, I was just gonna say I'm veryshocked that we knew solittle about Ishtar up until nowI thought we knew more about this place.We really know nothing if this is all newI'll tell you this he's apart of one clan. He's one clanLook how massive this guy is what kind ofworld is living inside of Runeterra?Is it like a hollow earth theory or justa whole world that wouldbe the inside of Runeterra?Cuz that's what it's looking like to meYeah, oh my god, that's the vibe I'mgetting yeah, this dude's like like thesize of a mountain it looks like yeahHe's massive giant scorpion. Yeah, he'spart of a whole there's a little clan ofhim. He only see one of themYeah, and he was on hismother's back. So how big is she?He was on his mother's back at that ageat this size no, I don'tknow if it was at this sizeI don't know if he's like grown a lotsince then but still likefor him to be on his mom's backYeah, and she's still alive. She'sprobably even bigger than him. Ohmy godWhat that yes,absolutely. Yeah, it's a big revealYeah, yeahVery big reveal and a total rewriting ofthis character. It getsbetter. It gets betterSo because of the Yuen Tal allying withShurima, he's kind oflike lost faith in themLike I established you guys and I set youguys up and I'm helping you guysPick who should be a leader and youfailed by allowing yourselves to like getbundled in with Shurima and all thisstuff on the outsideSo he kind of goes into a little bit oflike not really hidingbut he's more listeningHe constructed himself an undergroundchamber below Isha Khandesigned to amplify the vibrationalthreads across the continent and so he'shearing everything across Runeterra andHe's hearing Ishtel above and he's makingsure okay, you know Ishtelsounds good. It's all workingThat's fine and he continued to listen,but like he starts tokind of not come up as muchHe's more just listening to the world andthen deep beneath the dark earthHis paranoia starts tofester and he's like becoming thisHe becomes more secluded and he ceaseslike leaving his chamber altogetherpretty much and toIshtel about Ishtel aboveYou know like Skarner kind of becomes amyth his presence known only to the YuenTal who traveled down thereSometimes to confer withhim about Ishtel's futureSo the Yuen Tal still know that he existsand they go down there to talk to himBut the people of Ishtel have no idea.They think it's just like wow this thingis crazy like myth in the pastwho knows andthen now as generational new elementalmasters are joining the Yuen Talthey're starting to discuss thepossibility of rejoining the world andSkarner hears these whispers and it'slike spurring his paranoia even morebecause he knows that opening that doorwill invite pain and suffering and deathinto Ishtel andHe can only trust himself because hetrusted the Yuen Tal before and theyallied with Shurimaand unleashed the void inAkkathya andSo he's taking it upon himself that hehas to protect the peopleHe can only depend on himself and it saysthe end of his biography that even ifthat means becoming the rootof their destruction himselfEven if he has to destroy most of them,he's gonna protect IshtelWow, wow, wow, wowOkay, so what I'm hearing isSkarner isNo longerSkarner he is a completely differentcharacter now completely. Theyessentially made a newcharacter and then they justAlt F FordSkarner. YesExactly doesn't even look close to thesame to someone else.Yeah, it's even more the sameThe only similarity is that he is ascorpion and that he is named Skarner. Healmost a little bit more likeHe's not as likeCreaturey, I don't know his faceI know he's still a creature but his facelooks more human to me now like moreMore like someone that you can try tounderstand before it just like an animalYeah, that's a very good point. It looksnow like he actually has somelike like honestly his shellIt's just like a shell and more likearmor. Yeah, he actually has some likeskin underneath like yepIt's really interesting design. I think Idefinitely think it's an upgrade in termsof design. He looksreally cool. Yeah, he doesMan, oh man. I thinkthat's sick. But also Wowwell, I want to knowis what came first theThe thought that we have to removeSkarner from the existence or the thoughtthat we need to establishish tall and what exactlyYou know its history and its originsBecause I think with our lane. OhYeah, I think I knowYeah with hextech and arcane and theywant arcane to be cannon now the originof hextech doesn't make itI think it could still technically haveworked though. Like itcould have still beenSkarner people crystals that they'reusing for hextech, but IDon't know. Maybe they didn't want it tobe like cuz hextech is kind of gonna befoundational for pilt overSo you don't want them to be killingscorpions to do it, butThat's a gray. I never mind it. Yeah, ICompletely agree. IProbably would have preferred that Ithink Skarner is a way better characternow than he was beforeeven though like the characterHe was before it was fine. He just wasn'tvery impactful now. He's extremelyimpactful. Yeah, theymade him huge like this guyOkayThey may they revealed so much in thisthat people are not talking aboutThey revealed a ridiculous amount andthey kind of okay. Here's my predictionjust based on what we've heard so far oneIsh Tal is clearly in isolation right nowNo one is exploring ish Tal ish Tal willnot be a part of the worldat launch in the right of a moYeah, I very much agree with that evenmore so than I already didYeah, it is secluded and it is going tobe secluded at launch. They they releasedthis lure every everything lore now isThere the right of mo is in mind and sowhen they're releasing astarter and saying thisThis is all with the right of more inmind hundred percent.You agree with that? YepOh, yeah, and I wasgonna just like every otherLike champion right now and every othercharacter every other zone they end witha very clear problem, right?Yes, that Skarner is this extremelyconflicted characterWho is willing to destroy his own peopleto keep these lands safe?Yeah, and that's obviously a problem thatwill need to be handled at some pointwhether that Skarner is, you knowLike like worldview changing on just oh,maybe people aren't so terribleThey're only terrible most of the time orhe's gonna try to destroy all of hisJohn. We have to stop him, right?Yeah, something's gonnahappen later on with SkarnerThis was not a like conclusive story andnothing in runteros so farhas been a conclusive storyAnd I think that's great very much withthe MMO in mind. AbsolutelyYeahIstal opening up to the world is gonna bethe start of the ishtall expansion and damnI thought ish tall was boring, but I amfreaking excited forthe ish tall expansionOkay elemental Drake's and ish tall abunch of bracken undergroundSkarner sitting under there waiting tojust explode to the surface because whothe heck are theserandoms in my in my domain?Who are these people in ish tall the factthat he's he set up like the cardinal?archeology and everything and that he'sjust a myth except for theelite you tell who know of him andThe fact that he says at the end that hewould be willing todestroy ish tall to save ish tallLike if he has to take it down to just asmall tribe again, he'll do itMm-hmm. I mean that's Ilove we're gonna fight this guyWe're gonna fight him. YeahOh my god, and also I one thing that Ilove in like any any fictional settingany fantasy setting I loveScale I love giant beings. All right, IFreaking I love a rallying soul in thatin that cinematic his yeah, his umYeah, his big reveal trailer for Leagueof Legends think it's amazingAnd Skarner is giving me that very samevibe except instead of himliving, you know above usHe's living below us which is yeahsomehow even moreterrifying. Yeah, it's even scarierYeah, it's like how do we even how do wefight that and I mean likeclearly I think at some pointHe's gonna boil over and we're gonna haveto do something about itand maybe an MMORPG who knowsAnd just man over I want to see a a raidwhere we are like on this guy's backFighting something like while riding himand you're like justcrazy stuff like thatI want them to play with the scale ofthis character becausethere's so much potentialFor a big climactic battle with this guyin the MMO. Yeah. Oh, manJust don't put them on like the seat ofthe the brack or and it's like somehowthey shrink in size,you know, don't do thatDear God, please don'tYeah, like I see how that scale coulddefinitely be a challengeright for any like developerAnyone working on the MMO if they'rebringing scarner tothe MMO as a big threatThat's gonna be a challenge for the teamand I hope that they take it onI really hope that they do this art thatwe're seeing of scarner this new artI hope they do that justice man becauseoh he's so cool and seeing that in realtime and an actual open world game. OhMan, he'd sign me up. I like new scarnerLet's talk about the image real quickOkay, let's talk about art because it'sokay. What are youactually seeing in this image?I want you to describe to me like whatyou're actually looking at what you thinkyou're looking at. Doyou have a pulled up?I yeah, go ahead. Yeah, letme see if I can make it biggerThat's the question because right now I'mlooking at on the you know, the League ofLegends page whereit's kind of cropped offA little bit. Oh here here. I have itdownloaded. I love youYeah, you can talk about whatyou see now there already. OhAlready, I mean I'm seeing the scarnerclearly looks like given like the justthe angle of the camera and everythingIt looks like he's thesize of a freaking mountainGiven the background where you can seethe oh, yeah. There we go. Isee the full image. Oh my godGood those okay. Yeah, you know what Ithat made him look even bigger nowactually he's freaking massiveSo his claw is digginginto an entire freaking forestTrees are just flying everywhere from theriver almost movement. Hmm the riverA whole river that's a river and it'sliterally the size of some like arm armband that he's wearingYeah, yeah, I just noticed that too bythe way the full image.He's wearing an armband. OkayI like like a little bit of culture inthere. Very cool. OhMy god, and then yeah, you see you seethe city of ish tallbehind him and it looks punyIt looks like nothing compared to him. Ohmy god, he's massivehe's he's easily likeMountain size if not way bigger actually,I think he's literallyBursting out of the mountain right here.Like it he's he's not facingIsha Khan which that's the city behindhim like this the maincity of Ishmael is Isha KhanThat's the city behindhim and he's not facing itHe's facing like he's bursting out ofthis mountain and facing away from itAnd then all this rubble is like clearlygetting brushed off of him ifyou look up like where his yeahI was wondering what that'sabout that. Yeah, the way yeahI think it's like dirt and debris fromthis colossal thing just coming out ofthe ground and I thinkI was clouds straight upNo, I don't think debris I think that'sdebris I think that's dirt and dustAnd I think this is what's gonna greetyou like we're gonna be walking intoExcited and he's gonna pop on be likewhat are you guys doinghere? You know, I heard thisYou guys coming up a mile awayYeah, the thing is I love I love how youyou bring that up really likebrings out the point that yeahHe does not want ish shawls bordersopening up and obviously ifwe're going to go to ish tallWe're not gonna be starting out in ishtall. We're not all gonna be dish TaliansSo we're probably gonna open the bordersto us at some point or we're gonna makeour way through the jungle somehowWhich would naturally anger scarner and Idad lines up way too perfectlyThat it'll create a just us going to ishtall will create a problem in scarnerWhat do you think of the new ish?100% he's gonna be a problem for usWe're gonna have to facehim when we go to ish tallWe're gonna deal with him whether he endsup on our side in the endor not is gonna be importantBut then what do you think about like ishtall now after it's changed like that?He's a significant change in ish tallVery significant. I thinkthat even just the council aloneconsulting a giantlike monstrous beasts under the cityThat alone regardless of scarner's wholething that alone makes ishtall way cooler to me. YeahThere's there's this secretLegendary creature living under the citythat nobody knows about except for thishigh council. That's so cool. OhI love that. I'll say what he feelsinteresting now. Hefeels like that personYou know that player that you hate whenhe's not on your teamBut you love when he's onyour team like you as an ish tallYeah, frickin. I would love scarner likewow, you know like mess with us and agiant scorpions gonnaburst out of the groundThat's awesome. Like let the void eventry and even he has voice linesYou know Belvit is literally like the thethe consummation of anentire devoured city into the voidShe is like a bunch of people combined aslike void screaming dying and they allcombined to make herHe literally tells her he's like you willnot be I will not allow you to consume mypeople Belvit starveBecause that's the only way to defeat thevoid is to starve. It's a starve themout. Yeah. Oh my god. That's so coolYeah, isn't it? Like if you're a styleyou're like damn I gotI got my boy undergroundYeah, ohMy god, yeah as an ish chalene, right?It's so conflicting cuz it's likeYeah, like who knows if he really wantswhat's best for his shawl or if he's justreally stuck in his waysYou know, it's really a little bit ofboth to a point where he caresHe hears more about his own philosophiesabout the world more than ish tall itselfAnd that alone is concerning as an ishchalene, but at the sametime dude loves ish tallYeah, and you're in ish chalene. So likeFor the most part side he's awesome. YeahHe's so scary, dude. I love itHonestly, the more we're talking aboutthe more I'm like scarters rightscarters. He'sfreaking the bro. I'm excitedI'm I thought ish tall ish tall was mylowest zone. I ranked itas my lowest my bottom tierI didn't care about ishtall. It was like whateverI mean what can you put any zone aboveish tall old ish tall before it withoutscar and or take out scarner?What zone would youput below below ish tall?Man, I think the only thing I could thinkof would be shadimah, but shadimah hasway more going on in terms of its historyYeah, the ish tall with old ish tallbecause yeah, I would shadimah has tosink in the stun discThat's that's already enough. I just gotraised by Azir andZ-Death is running aroundYeah. Oh, yeah, even like dude. I I loveAzir Azir's a very cool characterAnd he clearly is like one of the mostattention-given characters in RuneterraYeah, yeah, dude that that's alreadyenough reason to put it above ish talland yeah at that pointYou're right. Just I'll go at the bottomfor me. Yeah, I would say that shadimahis the only one that would come closeShadimah needs a little something elseFor sure because I like the politicaldrama, but yeah,whatever. Yeah, absolutelyYeah, I think um shadimah needs more likemore recency. It needs more likeCurrent champions doing stuff inshadimah, and I thought it's not anythingcrazy going on in terms of that right nowbutLike the Sun disc even that stems fromTargon and Irelia and soul so I thinkit's not shadimah likeshadimah needs its own thingThat's a good pointYeah, yeah, especially when you look atother zones wherethey're pretty self-establishedLike especially looking at like Demaciaand Noxus those two kingdomsThey're pretty self-established based ontheir own belief system where shadimahjust kind of a pulls from everywhere elseYeah, it's got cool places like the landitself has a lot of cool placesLike I always thought the Valley of songand shadimah was very interesting. OhThat's like sickYeahIt's a remote pass that takes its namefrom the disoriented whistling thatresults from the wind blows through itshollow rock structuresAnd many travelers find themselves atlike the mercy of marauders there becausemarauders tend to prow that areaIt's a cool spot and there's a lot ofplaces like that in shadimahBut I feel like the lorestems from outside of shadimahAnd that's why I put shadimah as oneabove ish tall what it used to be. I meanshadimah is last now soYeah, I want to use yeah, seriously, it'sinsane how much this did for ish tallIt's all those things where it's likelike when you firsthear it. It's like okayThey added the origins toy for ish tallnow the uncle we gotwe got some new detailsThat's great. But then the more you thinkabout it the more like oh my god, dude.They set up ish tall like yeahWow, it went up to near the top. I meanit's near the top for me nowReally? I mean, I still think it needslike just I also like what right now it'sits quality over quantityRight. I feel like there's still not alot of quantity in ish tallYeah, it is not a lot of quality. Not alot. But yeah, like yeahI think it's the only thing holding itback now is that it just needs moreBecause what's there now is so good. Oh,man, please bug civilizationUnderneath yes, I want it to be huge thatshould be an expansion of itself all byitself is thatexploring that deep underground?Oh, dude world that that'sthat's part of the the ish tallSaga right. Yeah, that's that's one ofthe expansions within the ish tall sagais the bug people underground. IAlso think it's very interesting. Itfeels kind of like like by the end of ityou forget that like ohYeah, like scarner his relationship withthe these like, you know giant streakingscorpion civilization undergroundIs really not in a good placelike it's not in a bad placeBut I I imagine you know, they're not aslike loving of ish tall as scarner is noThey don't know they'regonna be that's importantHis mother did not trust them and we donot know their mindset right nowlike if they're attacking if they attackish tall right now, the only one thatcould protect them is scarnerYeah, and he's just one of themLike yeah a whole stinking clan of himSo that's really cool to think about thatscarner is now not onlyFocused on you know his relationship withish tall and the rest of the world, butalso his relationship with his clanWhich can be explored very much. We got aratatouille situationgarners Rummyis the ratsIsh tall is thefive-star restaurant in France?That's great. That's an awesome setup.What was that restaurant called?Was it called ratatouille?Gustoille, yeahThat's literally what's happening rightnow, and I'm so for it.I think that's fantasticOkay, so we got problems on multiplefronts in ish tall now. Ilove it. Yeah, I'm excitedI want to see more ish tall. I like thedragons in ish tall. I like the the magicelemental magic in ish tallThe axiomata all this with with scarnernow. It's freaking amazingSo but we're talking about this inperspective of the right MMO. That's whywe say like okayeverything to do is with intentionnowtransitioning fromthat to the right MMO IWant to say this like what do you Iwanted to talk about why the right MMOcannot be a while to and why it canso I want to say thislike from the start is thatworld of WarcraftHas a problem right nowwhere it can either cater to itsdwindling fan base of like players thatare diehards been playing foreverBut the problem with that is like thosepeople have grown up andthey like they're older nowThey can't they don't have the sameamount of time and so to do to compensatefor that world ofwarcraft kind of has over timemade the game easier andMade it more accessible and that doesn'tsatisfy the newplayers that come in like noThere's no kids playing world of warcraftunless their dad plays and that's that'swhy I'm saying like right?I'm oak cannot be a while too in myopinion. Now. I understand you can takesome stuff. That's good and some stuffThat's bad, but I think majority of whatworld of warcraft isI feel like I'm gonna be a little bit ofa Debbie downer right now, but likemajority of a world of warcraft is hasnow it's almost become very much likethey can either hold on to their pillarbase that they have right now andHonestly, no one's really talking aboutMMOs. I mean even us likewe're a random old podcastI can guarantee you like majority of thegamer community is not invested ortalking or considering MMOs right nowIt's just not I know you have likeWhat's that other one?Well, I'll fancy 14. There's FinalFantasy 14, which is not obviouslydoesn't get a lot of attention eitherBut then there's that one that's that'sin development that people talk about alot. Oh ashes of creationAshes of creation like people aren'ttalking about MMOs. It's just not likeYeah, it's not a popular genre right nowand world of warcraftYeah, and they think I feel like thatthat's why a while towould not be successfulIt needs to be something differentIt needs to be an evolution in the memogenre like that that world of warcraftformula has been run into the groundYeah, absolutely. I will say I think Ithink the funny thing about peoplenowadays is that it's a veryVery confused relationship with MMOs. Ithink most people love the idea of MMOsRight. Like I think if you ifyou bring up a most of peopleThey either have experienced the MMOs andthey're just like ohOh my god, like likegrindy nonsense, you knowThe gear score all thatstuff and like toxic player baseBut if you talk someone who has notplayed many MMOs has almost no experiencewith them. They love the idealikeLike I like the lessexperience people have with the MMOsWe know now the more people love MMOs,which is why this is riots chance toreally break the moldAnd bring that experience that peopleimagine in their heads when they're notthinking about the MMOs we have nowYeah, it's they're in a very very trickysituation for surefor the genre as a wholeRiots put in a weird spotThey can't just do what works even thoughI they should do some ofwhat works in my opinion, right?We've talked about the holy Trinity ofdeath because it's amazingI think it's a great way to bring peopletogether in an MMO in agameplay sense. It's so perfectBut then yeah at the same timeMaking Wow - will not make the gamesuccessful in my eyes. I think found myc14 did a very good job ofBringing what works from World ofWarcraft they brought a lot of from Worldof Warcraft and interms of what was from likeprofessions toLike class class design like that if theyhave their classrotations their cooldownsThey have a freaking global cooldownsystem. They have a lotgoing on from World of WarcraftBut what they did was they put a verylarge twist on the content aspectWorld of Warcraft is very endgame heavythe most endgame heavy game you'll findit as far as the memos goObviously 14 to the total opposite. It'sall about the leveling andthe questing and the storyThat worked out really wellfor a more casualMainstream player base who just wants toplay a single-player game where otherpeople are there andthey filled in that nicheThey filled in that that mainstreamaudience that wants that experience andnow I think it's riots turnTo you know take what works and now putin a new twist that will redefine the MMOgenre in their own wayI think you take even further than whatfinal as he 14 did andYeah, really bring something out. That'llget people's attentionI think they have it's gonna be hard forsure. But yeah. Yeah, but they have toexactly what I was gonna sayThey absolutely have to I'm reallysurprised to be honest all in all I'msurprised that riotis investing in an MMOgenuinely becauseThey have a lot of live service games,right? Like I feel like riots known for Idon't think it'spretty rare that they everrelease anythingthat's not a live serviceLike riot Forge games are your one-offtitles, but even the you know, thefighting game that's coming outNo way in Sam. Heckare they not gonna add?DLC characters as the game goes on andwho knows how elsethey're gonna monetize itI'm assuming she's gonna be DLCcharacters, but that'sstill live service gameSo yeah, they all are team fight tacticslegends of runeterra League of LegendsNow to XKO all live service games. YeahExactlyso but for them to go for like thebiggest riskiest live service game thereis that currently does nothave that big of a following isinsane to meBut I'm so glad they're doing it becauseI genuinely think that ifif they redefine the genreThere's a big audience out thereactually. Yeah, they're just hiddenThey just like the idea of MMOs andthey're sitting waiting for the MMO thatcalls to them and thatcould be riot to memoAnd it can't be Wow - for that reasonyeah, I think Wow hastheir their fan base andif you try to capture Wow's fan base, youwon't be successful becausethey're already playing Wowthey've already got thatnet what they like doing andThey're in a different place in theirlives now at this pointLike they're just not the same if youwant to capture the wild player base in2004, they're there. They're youngThey're like in freakingwho knows what what age?That's makes sense. But try to capturethem now. It doesn't make sense. Like youneed to capture the new playersYou need to capture like theThe zoomers, I don't know.That's what you need to catchYeah, yeah, absolutely they need tocapture the this thing inlike people out there playingFortnight right now. Yeah,I I feel like they need atitle that willCapture people right from the start,right? Like any other MMOright now. It's it's slow startingI don't think there's any MMO out therethat just throws you right into itBut I think riot will have to lean intothat especially because they are knownfor competitive titleswell, yeahHeck they're known for League of Legendsand Valorant are their two biggest titlesright now and those are hugeThose are like two of the biggest gamesout today are League of Legends andvalued. Yeah, I think it's likeValorant Fortnight and Counter-StrikeYeah, seriously, and they are like thoughthose two games alone are the like facethe epitome of competitive gamingOh and Minecraft don't forget MinecraftMinecraft will alwaysbe there. Oh, that's trueNo, honestly, I don't understand how thatthat game is like anabsolute enigma to meOkay, I played it back in 2010 and I juststill hear about to thisday. It just always crops upIt doesn't make that game is differentfrom anything else I've seenBy digress, but ournephew is playing Minecraft. OhYeah, he isAnd roblox they got tocapture the roebox. YeahSee the thing is like those are sodifferent from an MMO like League ofLegends Fortnight Valorant Counter-StrikeMine Minecraft, I guess is like you couldargue there's a littlebit of similarity in thatYeah, there's that openworld RPG aspect. I guessRPG but you get it. Yeah, but like youneed to capture the players today and youI do think an emote could capture themBut it cannot be the formula that's therebecause that's already not capturing themYeah, exactly and like like the point Iwas going for was like, yeahlike like MMOs are not normally the kindof thing to just throw youright into the action, butRiot makes games that they do exactlythat right like anycompetitive title you see nowadaysWhether it's Fortnight or League ofLegends or Valorant youyou jump right into a gameJust like anyone who was 200 hours inright you start up the game you get intoa match and that's just about itAnd I feel like they need to do somethingsimilar with the right of emo becausethat's how people are nowadaysyou don't think like I think thegeneration they need to capture is not ageneration that wants a aSlow immersive experience like any MMOwe've seen up until nowand riot is very good at thatRides very good atcapturing that audienceSo I've really curious to see how they'regonna go about an MMOknown for being so slowI thought that they're gonna be the oneswho are gonna pick up the pace and willget you excited fromBeginning to end, you know from level oneto cap level or whatever that kind ofprogression they have in the gameI I really believe that they're gonnakeep it like, you knowhigh octane high excitementI I think they're capable given their Ithink it's I don'tthink it even falls to likeLike I think that one of the mostimportant pieces to accomplishing that isgoing to be the combatThe combat and you're the warcraft isvery like slow and it's slow. Okay, youknow, you start the gameLet's say you make a mage. Okay, here'syour frostbolt cast your frostbolt. Youshoot your frostbolt. OhYeah, they can't do that. There it goesIt hits that guy and now it's a littlebit of damage and now you touch up yourfrostbolt and thenyou shoot your frostboltlikeyou know, it needs to be likeYou can make even fighting a level oneghoul pretty excitingwith with a little bit of splash and likeexcitement in the game like that ghoulcould be swiping and you're a hunter andYou do a rollback and while you're doingthe rollback, you knowYou lay your trap and then you pull outyour arrow and you shoot it and the goalgets hit in the shoulder and he startsSlumbering forward and he gets trapped orsomething, you know, and that could bethat could be made an exciting thingLike I think I'm always are always gonnabe that world that you're a part ofIt's never gonna be likeLike a fortnight where every rate likeyour your your work doesneed to matter over timeLike it can't be whereevery time you look at them. OhNothing matters. Whatever you didLike you just make it pick your characterand you made you have like 50 differentskins. That's not gonna happenYeah, no, they better not. Yeah, butwhere they can make it is sighting is Ithink in the combat andIn the the enemies the enemies need to belike smart and like a little bit moreaggressive and like their actionsYeah, no, I know scarner very much. Yeahwith that you get what I'm sayingLike scarner can't be like a swipe like arandom swipe and then theyget the tank face them awayAnd he does like a little bit damage.That's a wow - yeah, that's wow -Scarner needs to literally pick someoneup and slam into the walland then his tail like slams down in theback with three spikes and like it needsto be a lot more going on andIt needs to be it needs to be moreI mean like yeah, I imagine them workingon a modern engine means the combat canbe a lot more cinematic, right?Exactly. They can havescarner grab pick up a you knowI like one of the players in the raidgroup and just do whatever the heck likeyou like launch them up into the air andFreaking swipe them with histail. Heck. Yeah. Yeah, like IImagine a modern with his tail. We havenot really yeah, be honest. Heck. YeahYou know just do whateverthe heck make it look coolAnd I thought we have notseen a proper modern day MMO yetI thought no first to actually we haven'teveryone's going with thatThing is Final Fantasy 14 and even thenit's it's just world of war kept moreparticle effects to be I think so tooAnd better foliage that's really itBut yeah, I think riot engineers like youknow developers they'regonna put in the extra effort toTo bring out thatcinematic look in the combatI can totally see them doing that and youcould satisfy both like give thatcinematic combat look right?I don't think the combat you can youcan't go back to like just okayThis guy's casting his frostboltBut you can satisfy the player that wantsto grind out and do stuff and you couldsatisfy the player that wants to just hopIn and do like a fortnight kind of vibe.That's where thedifference between arena andRating comes in like yeah, there areplayers that just doarena and world of war craftAnd if you ask them what raid is out,they don't even knowThey're just yeah, I'm just yeah, I'mplaying I log on Iplay arena and I log outThat's what I want to do and that's whatI like doing they get pissedWhen someone tells them that they have togo do something elseand I don't think yeahLike if someone wants to log in and justyeah if they want to treat it like afortnight where they just log inAnd they grind out games andmake their characters strongerIt's that I can kill people faster in aBG that that should be a possibleprogression be totally viableI I believe in nobody more than riot todo that, right? Like I'm fully expectingPvP and matchmaking to be in MMO100% likeThat that's what they're known for.That's what their loyalaudience expects out of their titlesThat that's what people are gonna go theMMO for to some extent for sureHmm. Yeah, that's a very we're gonna seethat and that's how you satisfy thosethose different audiencesMe it doesn't need to be likefreakingSparkling colors every time and you'retaking like you can'tI don't want to be inShrima taking a portal blue and zippingover to fairly orkilling this guy and then I'mTeleporting back and then we're droppingout of the sky because I wrote a dragonThat doesn't need to happen satisfy thatkind of a player that wants that you knowthat that that plays fortnightthey jump out of a bus and hit it hitlike rocks with their their acts andRight when they die theyjump out of another busYou can satisfy them in another way and Ithink that's where PvP comes inYeah, that's a very good point. I meanlike me personally ILove myself a slow immersive experience,right? Like I I can't getenough of just a slow nice MMOBecause that that's just kindof what I expect out of MMOsbut yeah, I do think thatthey do need some way tosatisfy the the audience that they haveaccrued through League of Legends andValorant, I mean like they're just notslow paced people whichYeah, I think you're right. I think PvPis a very good way of going about thatLook at World of Warcraftjust did with the plunder stormYeah, tons of peoplecame back who'd point yeahI mean, I think they could have gottenway more if they would have made it freeto play which I definitely the rightof most to be free to playBut like theySatisfied a niche audience that wouldn'totherwise be satisfied with World ofWarcraft peopleresubscribed just to play thatBut they have no interest in actuallyplaying World of Warcraft as it is nowMm-hmm. Yep. Absolutely. Icame back for plunder stormI played a few games wonder storm andhonestly, it was funvery good time and then I even hopped onmy character my mainin World of Warcraft andThen I like just kind of looked at stuff.I like did did some LFRI had very low gear score very low itemlevel my gear was how was garbage?It was very boring. Very very boringI I jumped in as a tank by the way, and Ididn't I don't know anythingabout how to play warrior nowCuz you know like I've been like halfwaythrough Shadowlands was when I droppedoff like everyone elseYeah, yeah, so I literally went in therefiguring out what talents Ipicked like two years ago andWhat my like rotation looks like I don'tthink I didn't even figure it out by theend of the raid wingBut we still did itAnd then I logged offSo that was my space of World of Warcraftrecently but plunder stormvery fun good time I enjoyed itIt was actually really coolYeah, I understand. I really was temptedif it was free to playI would have jumped inYeah, I'm very foolish of them can'tbelieve they did thatIf it was free to play would have broughtin so many returning people so manyreturning players and so many new playersFor sure just cuz that's where theaudience is right now, dudePeople want to jump into something likethat and not have to like think about itHere's what I will say thoughyou have to be careful with soYou do have to satisfy the fortnight theValorant players like you can have thiskind of plunder storm type thingBut it does run the risk of feeling likemini games inside of a gameThat's that's fair. I mean I always feellike this problem withinstance content, right?YeahIs that it doesn't feel like you'replaying MMO anymore assoon as you enter an instanceAn instance being like you're separatefrom the open world. So, you know, likeyou and your party offive will enter a dungeonYou guys will be in your own version ofthe dungeon. So nobody else can come inand start killing your bosses, you knowYeah, you're you're in your own littlespace you and yourfive members of your partySo that's true for like PvP and PvEAnd yeah, I always think it kind ofbreaks you off from everything else fromthe actual MMO part of itBig big brain right now. I got a bigthing. Okay. Why does itfeel instanced for LFR?Like so LFR you justyou're sitting in that that cityYou queue up for your raid and then yougo into the raid andyou do the raid, right?Now why does that feel instance? But thenif you go to like a heroic raid, itdoesn't feel instance. II think I think there's two big aspectsto that two big parts to thatOne is that you talk to people you talkto the people in your raid group. Sothey're actual peopleThat's a very important part of any anyMMO is that you have to talkIf you don't talk to anyone in MMO youhave zero like attachments the MMOoutside of the gameplayWhich you know eventually will get stalejust like any other gameSo that's a big part of it when you talkto people so they'reactual people in your raid group- you actually have to go to the locationof the raid in the open worldYou you experience going to that zonewhere the boss is residing you get thatatmosphere in you knowYou're going to his lair and you enterthat portal with the group of 20 otherpeople feels awesomeevery time. I love itYeah, though. I thinkthat's the big thing. IThink that that like that. I think yoursecond part was one of the biggest partsis that like you're kind of going thereTogether in the world. Look,it's not just teleportationYeah, absolutelyThat's a huge part of it instead of justgoing from like you're standing there inyour capital city to ohYou're in the raid now. You're in big bigscary dungeon place out of nowhere. It'ssuper jarring and just feels wrongAnd then your first part was that likeyou're with people thatyou actually know, right?Yeah, I think that's also don't know thateven if you just enter a random pug groupYou're immediately starting conversationbecause you have to talk right who needssummons literally. That'senough. That's all I needTo know. Oh, yeah, these are real people.I just joined a group withLike who needs summons into the raid, youknow, oh, all right, like you know, likewe already killed this bossWe're starting on this guy. So everyonecome over here that kind of stuff likelittle stuff like thatEven if you never met to these peoplemakes a huge differencein MMO at least for meIt's the reason why I play is because I'mplaying with realpeople my character mattersThese are real people that are seeing mycharacter interacting with my characterSo it makes me want to improve mycharacter and play the gameIs that just about it?Yeah, I think I definitely don't thinkyou can have it like we're arena likeimagine every time you queue for arenaThey're like, okayyour arenas in this placeIn a grand an outlandhere in the grand arenaThere and that arena will start at thistime. No, I happen that can't happenbutI do think that there's certain thingsabout PPP that needto happen in the worldsite it makes the PPP but be and inclassic they had thatplace that arena in theThey got the jungle area at the bottom ofNot not realYeah, they string over aveil. I'm not like thatYeah, yeah. Oh, Ilove that a little arenaYeah, you need to bring into the world tothen you can have thoseinstance events like okayYeah arena is kind of its own thing andit's just on the side and then you canhave battlegrounds like but yeahIt doesn't have to make sense because youcould you're literally dyingin there and that's not cannonLike the cannon event would be the raidand you finish it and you don't die thatwould be like the cannonyeah, Imean like yeah, I don't know why butthere's always gonna be that sense of oflikeThe world doesn't really matter as muchin PVP unless you are doing world PVPRight like instance PVP is always goingto feel different in terms of how muchdoes the actual lore?And like how much does run Tara matterwhen you're fighting a 3v3in arena in the riot MMO?Not very much at all. So just get me inthere get me into a matchjust like any other likePVP related gamebut PVEDude, like you're going to fightSkarner right like I mean you're probablygonna lose because he's Skarner, butyou're going to fightThe Skarner the actual character in theworld of run Tara who has history who hasmeaning as a personalityHe's fully written upYou're you're going to interact with him.So I feel like yeah, you have to takethat time to immerse the playerInto the world and letthem go to ish tall, you knowLet them go into those deep caves and letthem like face Skarner that way insteadof just teleporting you to himright, yeahThere's that divide of the MPPYeah for sure. But yeah, PVP and PVP aregonna be twocompletely different experiencesespecially in terms of the importance ofimmersion and world buildingThe main thing I want to say is I feellike right the riot teamis really in a good positionTo do something different and we'respending me me and conquestis spending like an hour a weekTalking about this they're sitting downtalking about itevery single day for hoursYeah, and so I'm sure that they're gonnacome up with something that's reallygonna be like I would never even imaginedthat is a possibilityYeah, exactly. I think whatever sayingnow we're gonna be dead wrong and I can'twait. Yeah except forSkarner being a raid bossYeah, I know we're gonna fight Skarner.It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, some thingsare just I can't wait, you knowobviousAbsolutely Skarner is gonna be a hugepart of ish tall like there's no way he'snot both literally and figurativelyHe will be a huge part of ish tallThere's no way he's not. Oh, yes, ScottSkarner's gonna be hugeAnd I think smolders also gonna be hugelike I have I already talked aboutSmolder is gonna really pull us into camoor everything that they'resetting up now in the loreThat's why I think we're gonna do thismore and more me and you like loreIt was importantNow everything that theydo has the right of my mindAnd so me and you are gonna look at itlike how we looked at this Lord todayWe're gonna analyze it and say what doesthis mean for the right of mo becauseit's obvious what's garneredDid for the right of mo it's pretty big.Yeah, it added new loreMassively and not just cuz he's massiveBut because of what he and hoodieembodies is massive like okay. He'sfreaking undergroundWe're dealing with ahollow earth theory for oneTwo there's a whole tribe of them. It'sSkarner was the last one before no now.There's a whole freaking tribe ofBrackern that are massive undergroundunder ish tall ish tallhas a ton of lore explainingWhy they are what they are and whythey've isolated and thenit just adds in like okayThis sets up ish tall so wellFor an expansion and smolder set upcamivore so well for anexpansion because we had nothingLike in order to really go to camivore wewould have had we would have had to go tothe shadow isles firstNow we can go to camivore anytime withsmolder and his motherBecause they they ties it back and Iguarantee you any lorechanges that we have nowWhat arcane being cannonlike arcane season two?I'm super excited forbecause we're gonna see you knowBackground for the ride emo we'reliterally gonna be seeing in the Netflixseries, which is awesomeAnd so everything just matters more noweverything feels a little bit moreimportant and I love it. YeahYeah, it's very cool to me how we areI feel like now with Skarner especiallythat really like hit me with like we areseeing the consolidation ofthe lore happening right nowOhThey are setting things up for this rideMMO in real time. Weare watching it happenYes, we are and Icompletely forgot to give a shout outWe had a question last time and it was wekind of touched on it a little bitBut we didn't touch on it a lot. And soit was a pull-up commentsLet's hear it. YeahKamakar changeI'm gonna sayKamaka KamakaOkay, Kamaka Kamaka. I don't mind if theright. I'm always a copy of WowI just don't want tabbed combatThat is the only thing that I don't likeabout Wow and it's not even Wow's faultTabbed combat was afeature of the time it was in in2024 tabbed tabbed combatfeels very dated feels datedAnd I think that's a great topic. We kindof touched on it thatthe combat is importantThat yeah, you can't like tab combatreally doesn't makesense anymore that we need toKind of evolve it and it needs to bedifferent and it needs to be somethingwhere like you're a bit more excitedI don't know if like that that'sliterally a turn off for himHe's saying he likes the idea of WowLike what you were saying when peoplelike the idea of MMOs by the same timelike something draws themoff that they'd rather playLike a something that's more actionMm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely at least likeyou know, like not including likesingle-player experiencesYou know, I mostly want to talk aboutLike the online multiplayer experiences,which was people leaning more towardsfortnight and valor and Leagueof Legends that kind of stuffBut yeah tab targeting dude, I've I'veheard this complaint beforeAnd it makes me sad because I personallylove tab targeting. I think it's good insome sense. I'm in some places. It's goodYeah, I thinkYou go ahead. No, no, go aheadI was gonna say I think it's good in someplaces and it's not great and all thisYeah, that's fair. I mean,I was gonna say that like itLike the reason why my two most play MMOsare World of Warcraft to Final Fantasy 14is because I just think they've doneA very good job with makingtab targeting feel actionyYou know just in terms of how frequentlyyou're pushing your buttonsand how they combo togetherWhich I'm always been like a melee classjust because I likethat fast-paced actionBut they combine it really well with tabtargeting away where it doesn't feel likeI'm just sitting thereYou know pushing my buttons in a certainorder, right? It feels likeI'm actually in there fightingI'll say thisThen it is for rain just let there yeahbecause melee you got to think about itHow many times you're tabbing once you'reclicking on that target and then reallyyou're just like, okayI'm I'm kind of fighting like I'mpressing Q to punch him in the face andpressing E to like grab him and throw himRight and you're kind of just pushing thebuttons in a melee formBut I will say it feels very differentfor a caster or like ahunter like tab targetingLike you want to be able to aim thatshot, you know, you want to be able tolike I imagine that's very differentYeah, you want to beable to lead someone? YeahExactly and you need that and I got it.Melee doesn't feel that wayBut then you see characters likeReinhardt and overwatchso it's clearly possibleTo do it with melee characters to havethem be able to do kind ofAction combat stuff as well. But I meanhis actual combat is alsoprojectile. So I don't knowYeah, it's fair I mean it's absolutely aproduct of its time right because doingcalculations with dynamichitboxes and hurtboxes isGoing to be way more demandingYeah, I'm like on like servercommunication, right?It's just like like service communicatebetween like, you knowYour your character swinging their swordand what it hits and what it doesn't hitin front of it, right?There's a lot more going on there thatmight cause some like lag onserver side or on your computerBut or even like some like latency,right? Yeah, I don'tknow we might be there nowIt's hard to tell because MMOs are justnot that explored usually I think lostarcs a good example thatthat's very possible thoughYeah, but lost arc is also a top-downgame where they don'tworry about a z-axisI don't know if we'll worry about z-axisand riot in the right MMOBut I also don't care fortop-down MMOs in generalbut lost arcs a good example that it'sactually possible where you can have someskill shots like nothingwith skill shots actually andStill make it work out pretty well andGuild Wars 2 actuallySo then actually never mind there aredefinitely MMOs out there that exist arejust skill shots andthey do a good job at itThere's a new character in wowDrag there are a lot of skill shots. OhYeah, yeah, they're I think they'realmost like all skill shotsI haven't played too much of them myself,but they definitelythey're pretty prominentLike League of Legends style where youhave the marker on the ground and you'lllike shoot out your ability that wayAnd I I like that. I think that's coolYeah, I would like that. I wonder howthey're gonna do come outwith to be a combinationI don't know all skill shots does seemlike a little bit much to meBut at the same time if the if it's donewell, it's not gonna feellike you're constantly IDon't know like I like the chillness oftap targeting, but I can see why actioncombat would definitely favorPeople who from the fortnight world orfrom the counter we're talking aboutpulling on those peopleLeague of Legends League of LegendsAll pretty much skillshots except for your like autoYeah, yeah, that's a very good pointActually is that it'll definitely appealway more to the League of Legends playersif they hop into the MMO and they haveyou know their abilities similar to likemarkers on the ground where they'reLike shooting stuff outward and placingthings down in terms of like their magicYeah, or their traps as ahunter that sort of dealYeah, absolutely. I cansee that me personallyI'm always gonna be a little bit likenostalgic and biasedtowards tap targetingJust that's always what I think of when Ithink of them like MMOs that I enjoyBut at the same time, yeah, I think thetap starting would do more harm than goodfor a modern-day MMO and you knowI mean, it's not alwaysOkay, new world new world is all actioncombat and that thing is shutting downand I'm pretty sure a big part of thatJanky combat becausethe combat is very jankyReally? I hear much about the combat. Ijust hear like the whole faction thingdoes not work in that gameNo, no, they have some janky combat youteleport all over the place stuff thatdoes. Oh, yeah, it's pretty badYeah, so that's thefears like latency, right?It's like you threw a spear and you couldhave sworn that spear hit that enemyBut it didn't for some reason because theserver said actually you didn't just yourcomputer said you didWe need to talk about new world. We don'ttalk about new world enough nextI think the next time we're gonna talkabout new world's server issueThe combat being janky because you can goto new world database and like a lot ofthe problems that they had wasFrom the server situation as wellAnd then like their endgame is prettytrash with like expeditions and theoutpost rush. Weshould talk about new worldWe're gonna talkabout new world next timeLet'sLet's close it out like I hope youenjoyed this episodeWe'll continue this conversation in thenext one right here in thebrazen Hydra pub in Bilge waterYou can find me at Grove on socials onYouTube. Oh, you can findme at conquest 95 on TwitterAnd instead of the on the going afterthis podcast specifically you can followus at the brazen Hydra on TwitterYou can add us questions. 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