Prepare to have the veil lifted on the CIA's most notorious venture into the mind's shadows, as Detto takes you on a journey through the chilling narrative of MKUltra. Casey and Detto open the floodgates to reveal how the seductive power of drugs, sex, and psychological tricks were employed in a quest to master control over the human psyche. We'll share the astonishing scale of these experiments, the government's insatiable LSD acquisition, and the eerie connections to figures like Charles Manson—were these the unintended mentors of manipulation?
As we sweep through the decades, brace yourself for a hard look at today's digital sorcery, where social media and advertising weave a subtle web of influence. We question the identity behind the carefully crafted images and slogans that saturate our screens—is it mere commerce, or something more calculated? With a spotlight on the legal battles entangling TikTok and the enigmas of Snapchat, Casey and Detto scrutinize the strategies of tech giants and the bewitching nature of their creations. Could the government's hand be steering the helm of corporate influence?
Finally, we pay tribute to the Grateful Dead's mysterious legacy, exploring their roots in the Haight-Ashbury scene and its potential overlap with covert CIA operations. Through stories of success and stereotypes, we investigate the Grateful Dead's enigmatic link to a time when 'free love' might have obscured a far more sinister narrative. Join us on this mind-bending escapade as we piece together a tale of psychological intrigue, cultural impacts, and the timeless question of what lies beyond the looking glass of control.
Come back every Tuesday for a new episode each week. You won't be dissappointed, I'll tell you that for free. Subscribe and like us over at sockeytome.com as we begin the best part of our journey into podcasting yet, interacting with all of you. Give us your email as we begin to have more promotions and contests along with my personal favorite, trivia. Thanks everyone and as always, be good.
Prepare to have the veil lifted on the CIA's most notorious venture into the mind's shadows, as Detto takes you on a journey through the chilling narrative of MKUltra. Casey and Detto open the floodgates to reveal how the seductive power of drugs, sex, and psychological tricks were employed in a quest to master control over the human psyche. We'll share the astonishing scale of these experiments, the government's insatiable LSD acquisition, and the eerie connections to figures like Charles Manson—were these the unintended mentors of manipulation?
As we sweep through the decades, brace yourself for a hard look at today's digital sorcery, where social media and advertising weave a subtle web of influence. We question the identity behind the carefully crafted images and slogans that saturate our screens—is it mere commerce, or something more calculated? With a spotlight on the legal battles entangling TikTok and the enigmas of Snapchat, Casey and Detto scrutinize the strategies of tech giants and the bewitching nature of their creations. Could the government's hand be steering the helm of corporate influence?
Finally, we pay tribute to the Grateful Dead's mysterious legacy, exploring their roots in the Haight-Ashbury scene and its potential overlap with covert CIA operations. Through stories of success and stereotypes, we investigate the Grateful Dead's enigmatic link to a time when 'free love' might have obscured a far more sinister narrative. Join us on this mind-bending escapade as we piece together a tale of psychological intrigue, cultural impacts, and the timeless question of what lies beyond the looking glass of control.
Come back every Tuesday for a new episode each week. You won't be dissappointed, I'll tell you that for free. Subscribe and like us over at sockeytome.com as we begin the best part of our journey into podcasting yet, interacting with all of you. Give us your email as we begin to have more promotions and contests along with my personal favorite, trivia. Thanks everyone and as always, be good.
Speaker 2:
Socky Toomey. Hey everybody, it's Ditto. Welcome back to Saki. To Me, this episode is going to be about MKUltra. If you don't know what it is, stay tuned because it'll blow your mind. It's incredible. I got my girl Casey, here.
Speaker 1:
Stick around check out the show. It's going to be great.
Speaker 2:
See you in a little bit.
Speaker 1:
Hey everyone, it's Casey. Just wanted to give a shout out to our fellow podcaster, Steve Pugh. Down the road. Dads with nerdy ambitions, Check him out wherever you listen to your podcasts.
Speaker 2:
Hey everybody, it's Ditto. We're back. Episode three of season two. Kind of excited about that, here with my girl, casey.
Speaker 1:
Hello everyone.
Speaker 2:
There we go. This episode is going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to link everything together. It's going to be fantastic. Oh boy, this whole episode is about what?
Speaker 1:
MK Ultra.
Speaker 2:
And.
Speaker 1:
Mind control.
Speaker 2:
Mind control and the CIA's decision to try and go ahead with it. Yes, there's a lot of things that go into this. This was a really interesting topic that I never knew about until now, I didn't either. I had no idea any of this even existed. Nope, it's like holy cow. Talk about a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:
It's true. Once you start looking into it, it says you can't stop. Yeah, you find out all sorts no idea. I've never even heard about it until.
Speaker 2:
So if all of you guys are out there you want to know anything about MKUltra, start looking and I promise you, if you're bored one night, look at it and you will go down that rabbit hole and you'll be surprised at what you find.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so with that let's get started. All right, mkultra was what? Mind Control? Mind Control, it was the CIA, yeah, and it was like a 20-year secret project.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
That the CIA basically, were giving people LSD for the most part.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they used drugs.
Speaker 1:
They bought all the supply of LSD or something. The United States government basically bought all of the LSD.
Speaker 2:
Isn't that crazy? They did, and they were trying to control people's minds.
Speaker 1:
Yep.
Speaker 2:
And they were doing it through the use of drugs, sex and all kinds of other types of weird things, Unwittingly to the people that they were doing it to.
Speaker 1:
The people had no idea it was happening. Right, they were just like here have some drugs, and they didn't even realize they were taking the drugs. At some points, I think they were just part of this experiment. At some points, I think they were just part of this experiment. They had no idea.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they had hookers bringing them into a facility.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Get them there and then they would drug them up and monitor the way they acted Right and they used it for mind control which people would come out of the place with amnesia Right.
Speaker 1:
They wouldn't even know what the hell they were doing and really is what they were looking to do.
Speaker 2:
They did. It was like Jason Bourne and we're going to get back to that in a few minutes, because that's crazy. I never. The Bourne movies are some of my favorite movies. I love them and I never would have thought that this was what it came out of. That's nuts.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, apparently it did.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so. So in the late 60s, 69, giggity, that's when everything was going crazy, summer of Love, this, and that All the hippies are out, that's playing and everybody's having a good time. They're feeling it.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
And hate Ashbury.
Speaker 1:
Yes, the two streets in San Francisco.
Speaker 2:
That's where it all started. That's where the clinics were. Some of them yes, well, they're all around there. They had a bunch of them. They're all in that San Francisco area. And here are these CIA agents conducting these experiments on people, unwittingly, right and just letting them go. And they called it the Summer of Love and people celebrated. They celebrate it now Because nobody knows. Nobody knows what the hell is happening.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Not at all. That's how they covered it up.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
Yep, and so through all of that, there were a lot of things that were wrong until Frank Church put the committee together to start investigating everything In like the 70s or something right. But the people that came out of it, Charlie Manson.
Speaker 1:
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2:
He was like I don't know if he was the number one person, but he came out of it and he ended up killing like nine people. Through other people, though Through other people Because he figured out how to use the mind control on the other people. Yeah, they had him under control and he figured out how to use the control on other people.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And he was a part of that Ashbury whole regiment.
Speaker 1:
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:
So that's what they were doing. They were actually creating assassins.
Speaker 1:
Pretty much yes.
Speaker 2:
And assassins.
Speaker 1:
I think they did like, didn't they do like a trick shock and all that stuff too.
Speaker 2:
There was a lot of stuff that went on. There was a lot of different things that went on, but they created assassins that would go into war because the whole thing was going on right around the Vietnam war. That's what they were trying to create, and I think the Vietnam war was actually a cover for what actually happened.
Speaker 1:
That's why it was such a terrible, terrible joke, right.
Speaker 2:
It wasn't even a joke. I shouldn't even say that, because the Vietnam war was awful and people have been ruined by it. But they tried to cover up this entire I don't know experiment with the Vietnam War. So you know, don't worry about over here. Here's the Vietnam War. Look at this.
Speaker 1:
Well, I also saw, I read something that they think it was mirrored. It was kind of a continuation of what the Nazis were doing in concentration camps. They were doing the same type of experiments at that point in time and then the CIA continued it kind of.
Speaker 2:
I don't know about that, because the Nazis were like burning people.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think they were doing a lot of other things too, because they were trying to also figure out the mind control and what they could do with people. I guess I don't know. I read it today.
Speaker 2:
Well, there you go, people, I guess, I don't know. Well, I read it today. Well, there you go. The Grateful Dead are one of the most famous acts, bands, entertainment, people that came out of that era Right At that time From Haight and Ashbury.
Speaker 1:
Yes, think about it. Uh-huh Say the name Grateful Dead.
Speaker 2:
Say it again Grateful Dead. What do you think of that?
Speaker 1:
Oh, is that what you're saying? That's your connection.
Speaker 2:
That's the connection. Yeah, it's actually the connection. You could link it back to it. It was the Grateful Dead out of Hate, ashbury, that whole thing, and they were the leaders of that free love type thing.
Speaker 1:
Yes.
Speaker 2:
That they were playing it off as when it was all mind control Now whether Grateful Dead had anything to do with it.
Speaker 1:
Right yeah, who knows.
Speaker 2:
I don't know, I can't find anything that says they do Right. But that's a funny name at a funny time.
Speaker 1:
Very true Okay.
Speaker 2:
Which I'm saying.
Speaker 1:
I mean it's a little far-fetched, I think. I don't think it's far-f what it is. That's right.
Speaker 2:
Grateful Dead. Those people became zombies. They became zombies and I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times there are two types of Grateful Dead fans. There's the absolutely smart, successful type and there's the absolute smelly, hippie stoner type.
Speaker 1:
Well, they said that a lot of the people that they used for this were the hippies and that kind of people that didn't even realize they were doing it. They had no idea they were part of this experiment.
Speaker 2:
I'm saying the Grateful Dead had something to do about it.
Speaker 1:
You think they were involved in it? I think so.
Speaker 2:
I would say so. Why would you name yourself the Grateful Dead?
Speaker 1:
I don't know, but that is.
Speaker 2:
Why would you name yourself the Grateful Dead? That's a strange name, to come out of a strange time, at a strange point, with a strange situation going on. Why would you do that?
Speaker 1:
you got to admit it's crazy yeah, I mean charles manson's coming out of there.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy at the same time, this band, called the grateful dead, is the biggest band in the world wow, it's a big, big jump, it's not a big jump. It's not a big jump at all. I have appreciated the Grateful Dead. I've never been a huge fan. I'm not a huge fan and I'm not knocking them down musically at all, anything like that. I'm just saying think about it, because that's strange. Yeah, that is strange. Those clinics in Haight-Nashbury, all these people came out. All right hey.
Speaker 1:
I mean, they would appreciate you saying that I don't care.
Speaker 2:
Screw them. Screw them right to hell. What do I give a shit for? I don't like the grave of the dead. I'm a Tool fan. Yeah, tool's way better. Okay, that being said, they were covering up the war, but they covered this up with the war. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
They covered this up with the war, the Vietnam.
Speaker 1:
War, so nobody knew about it.
Speaker 2:
I didn't find out about this until about two weeks ago.
Speaker 1:
There was apparently a movie made a few years ago that I had no idea. I did not know about this at all. I had no idea.
Speaker 2:
We both watched it and it sucked.
Speaker 1:
The movie was not good, awful At all.
Speaker 2:
And I didn't even get it. I don't even think it had anything to do with what went on.
Speaker 1:
Very little.
Speaker 2:
Basically loosely adapted.
Speaker 1:
I guess, from what I've researched, it really barely touched on what actually was done.
Speaker 2:
It was loosely based on all that and it was crazy because it was hard to follow.
Speaker 1:
It was.
Speaker 2:
Like it didn't, I don't know. I watched it twice. Both times it put me to sleep. To be honest, it was.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, agree, I watched it twice. Both times it put me to sleep. To be honest, it was yeah.
Speaker 2:
Ugh Agree. And so here I am trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to talk about in this podcast, and I can't even get through the movie because it's so goddamn boring.
Speaker 1:
Right, but when you research it and see what actually happened, it's way more than the movie.
Speaker 2:
It's so much deeper, so much more incredible Way more interesting. Yes, they took. It's Jason Bourne, it's the Bourne movies. That's exactly what it is, and those are some of my favorite movies of all time the Bourne movies, right, and they take a guy, they wipe out his memory and they send him out to be an assassin. That's what MKUltra was.
Speaker 1:
That's what they wanted to do. I don't know that they actually did that at all. Did they ever actually?
Speaker 2:
Just that one guy. What was his name, shiver Shaver.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there was that one story that I heard, that that came out, yeah, and he brutally murdered that little girl. Little girl in a parking lot and had no recollection of any of it. No, anything so. But other than that I don't know that they ever used sort of military anything.
Speaker 2:
I bet you they did.
Speaker 1:
Maybe they did.
Speaker 2:
That's the whole point and that's where we're going with this. I'm sure they did. I'm sure that they figured it out because we have the internet now.
Speaker 1:
True, oh.
Speaker 2:
So you're going to say TV and mind control go hand in hand. And TV went downhill as soon as they started producing those stupid medicine commercials.
Speaker 1:
Medicine commercials.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm not going to say any of the names, but you know how they put the medicine name in a song and then you keep singing it.
Speaker 1:
Yes, do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2:
Fucking mind control. I guess, that's what that is.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, maybe. I have never thought of it that way.
Speaker 2:
Well, that's what that is, and commercials why?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:
Why are commercials so important nowadays?
Speaker 1:
I have no idea.
Speaker 2:
Me either, but they're all just lining up to do it because they're paying them whatever they want to go and do it.
Speaker 1:
I don't even see that many commercials, which is the weird part. It's not like TV used to be, when we used to sit and watch and commercial breaks all the time. Now everything's streaming, so how many commercials do you even see?
Speaker 2:
Every one I see has to do with the big pharma companies.
Speaker 1:
Ah they got the most money. Just about every one of them.
Speaker 2:
They got the most money and they're backed by the government, are they?
Speaker 1:
All the drug companies are backed by the government.
Speaker 2:
Well, if the government wants mind control, don't you think they'd back them?
Speaker 1:
I guess yeah.
Speaker 2:
Now the government's suing TikTok. Oh no, tiktok is suing the government.
Speaker 1:
Oh yeah, because the US government doesn't want TikTok, which is a smart move by the US government.
Speaker 2:
Get TikTok the hell out of here. It's obnoxiously annoying. It provides no benefit for anyone alive. It just makes things awful, like most of social media.
Speaker 1:
Are you not learning a lot of dances on TikTok? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:
I don't even have TikTok, it's so bad I don't even have it. I don't understand TikTok, let's just go with Snapchat Right here, let me snap a picture of my beep beep, so it disappears in five seconds and you never see it again.
Speaker 1:
Bull crap you don't see it again. Somebody will find it somewhere. I don't understand any of those, to be honest.
Speaker 2:
Why is this happening? Who comes up with an idea? To take a picture, send it to somebody.
Speaker 1:
And have it disappear.
Speaker 2:
And have it disappear, unless you wanted that picture to be seen by someone that wasn't supposed to be seeing it.
Speaker 1:
True, yeah, I don't understand any of them. These are social media things that I don't really get.
Speaker 2:
And then Messenger and now Threads.
Speaker 1:
I still can't figure out what Threads is.
Speaker 2:
Is it like why are you in competition with yourself?
Speaker 1:
x yeah, and facebook instagram threads.
Speaker 2:
They're all the same company right, yeah, why are you in competition with yourself? That's called a monopoly, I believe usually yeah if you have to create another company or another line to compete with your own company. It basically means you have a monopoly.
Speaker 1:
What do they make money from? Ads?
Speaker 2:
Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
That's all they make money from Eyeballs. I mean they're not paid subscriptions for anything.
Speaker 2:
It's all about eyeballs. It's all about eyeballs. The internet is now the new mind control. You think?
Speaker 1:
that's mind control. That's why it's unregulated mind control. You think that's mind control. That's why it's unregulated. It's completely unregulated. I mean, they're trying to regulate it, aren't they?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, certain things, hold on. They can regulate my guns nice and easy, but they can't regulate the goddamn internet. Are you serious?
Speaker 1:
I mean.
Speaker 2:
Are you serious?
Speaker 1:
They can create all sorts of laws.
Speaker 2:
They can come right in here. But if you follow them it Sorry, before we get any farther into my life you can go accuse somebody of something and then they've got to figure out how to prove that they didn't do something that somebody said. But they can't regulate the Internet Right. They have everything the way they want it. It's all going the way it's supposed to and nobody questions it. No one questions anything. Why are there so many medicine commercials on TV?
Speaker 1:
I have no idea.
Speaker 2:
What do you?
Speaker 1:
think the reasoning for that is Do you think the government is trying to push the medicines? What do you think your reasoning is? Well, I don't take any medicines anyway, right, I don't. I don't even take Advil, right? I think I don't even like toothpaste to be honest with you Toothpaste, seriously Toothpaste, and mouthwash We'll talk about that one later.
Speaker 2:
But the foreign things, things man-made probably, are not healthy. They can't be.
Speaker 1:
Right, I mean they could be. But I hear what you're saying, that they might not be. They don't necessarily need to be healthy, I know so you're saying they're trying to make people sick.
Speaker 2:
Here's two questions. Here's two questions for you. They cured polio.
Speaker 1:
That's a question. Yes, they cured polio, correct?
Speaker 2:
Yes, right. How come they can't cure cancer? Yeah, I know they landed a man on the moon. So they say how come nobody's ever been back? They say it's not worth it to go there, but I don't really know. What year did the man land on the moon?
Speaker 1:
I don't even want to say the number, because I'm going to be wrong and you're going to say something. What's the year?
Speaker 2:
69, and what year was the summer of love?
Speaker 1:
was that 69 too? Yes oh, look at you connecting everything.
Speaker 2:
I'm connecting it. All the Grateful Dead were involved with Charles Manson and all of that. Prove me wrong. Wow, prove me wrong, I dare you.
Speaker 1:
Okay, so here's the question had you heard the Charles Manson connection to this MKUltra thing before we started researching this?
Speaker 2:
To be honest, no Problem is, I didn't even know about MKUltra. This is like reverse. This is all in reverse.
Speaker 1:
Now it makes so much sense once you say it. Now that we hear what that is and what the experiments were and that he was involved, it kind of makes sense that that's a thing.
Speaker 2:
You want to start putting pieces together.
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
And at least start questioning things. You don't have to be a complete conspiracy theorist, right, but you have to at least start questioning things. You don't have to be a complete conspiracy theorist, right, but you have to at least say hey not all of this adds up Right.
Speaker 1:
So, I agree with that. I don't know that the Grateful Dead, we can say straight out their name says it alone.
Speaker 2:
Their name says it alone. They're playing to a bunch of zombies that are just standing there Dancing around like a bunch of goofs. The craziest part of the Grateful Dead is that they're following, they're fans, they're a part of their fans that are so hugely successful.
Speaker 1:
Really? Yes, I don't know much about the different types of fans.
Speaker 2:
There's two types of fans. There's two types of Grateful Dead fans. There's the type that are completely, just, enormously successful.
Speaker 1:
Millionaires, right, I think you said that, bill Walton.
Speaker 2:
I don't know anybody else off the top of my head, but anyway, then there are the other ones. They just wear the shirts, they got the long hair, they smell like crap and they walk around, and that's it.
Speaker 1:
walk around where they're probably the guy sitting on the side of the road asking for change. Oh boy, that's what they are. Okay, that's where they are, that's what they are.
Speaker 2:
They're just asking for change. Wow, all right. And they're wearing a grateful dead shirt and you're looking at it like, oh, maybe get off the dead man wow so all right well, that is a, like I said, a big jump.
Speaker 1:
I think. They had so they were part of it. I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2:
It's just hard to imagine that they weren't, but Because they came out of the same area at the same time.
Speaker 1:
Right, the biggest the thing about Grateful Dead is they came from heat in Ashbury, right Right, yeah, and it's the same area. I hear you on that. That's where the clinics were.
Speaker 2:
Right, there's no way. They didn't just go in there for like a glass of water because it was hot out one day. They went in there at some point in time where these clinics are yeah. I mean, their music goes on for hours, hours, that's true hours, and it's like, okay, all right, great riff, keep going and the hardest part is that, of course, even when this all came to light, all the records are gone that was what I was getting to. At the end, they destroyed all of the records right they destroyed everything.
Speaker 2:
Yep, so there's, and that what's his name? Uh, tom o'neill, okay.
Speaker 1:
Okay, tom.
Speaker 2:
O'Neill went through everything.
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
And tried to research it and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:
What he found was incredible. Oh, he had a lot of information, but he basically said most of the stuff has come from a few people that have realized this happened to, because they have no actual documentation, because it was all destroyed. It was all destroyed, so they don't know exactly what was done, exactly you know what the even the results were necessarily because it was all destroyed.
Speaker 2:
And there could still be people out there.
Speaker 1:
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:
Right now that could could just kill you and then pretend like they didn't know it.
Speaker 1:
Right, yeah, I mean it's getting older, yeah.
Speaker 2:
I don't think there's a bunch of 80-year-olds running around trying to kill people like assassins.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it ended in the early 70s, but yeah.
Speaker 2:
But if they were 18, they'd only be 68, roughly. Okay, that was quick math on the fly, but did they even come up with any legal consequences for anyone?
Speaker 1:
I don't know. I think some of the people died, so I don't even think, but I don't know that there was any consequences. It was the CIA, so it's. It was a government-run situation. And I feel like even when there's investigations, it all just kind of becomes, goes away. Somehow it all gets washed over and nobody sees it again.
Speaker 2:
Like I said in the beginning of this episode, I love the Bourne movies. I love the Bourne movies. I look at them now in a different light.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
Like they. Then Robert Ludlum is the guy that wrote those books. Okay.
Speaker 1:
He wrote the first three, the Bourne books.
Speaker 2:
The fourth one was an adaptation and the fifth one was just off the cuff. Anyway, robert Ludlum wrote those books. I would love to talk to him because I want to research that more, find out where he got all that information Right, because he literally what I'm finding nailed it Absolutely nailed it, so he must have gotten it from somewhere.
Speaker 2:
He had to have Because the movies were fantastic, but I had no idea of MKUltra at that time. And now that I'm reading all this and going down that rabbit hole, I'm like holy shit, this is what it was. This right, like holy shit, this is jason boar. This is jason boar. This is what they did. Yeah, and it's exactly what it was. Yeah, the cia took his memory away, turned him into somebody else, sent him out there. He was an assassin and then they thought they killed him. But they didn't. He ran alive, came back, couldn't remember who he was, had no idea what was going on yeah and struggled for three movies to figure out who he was.
Speaker 1:
Three movies, I know that. I mean, that's basically what they said they were doing to these people, that they were trying to. You have to remove their memories first, take their minds and then put in what they want there.
Speaker 2:
Then they would put in memories that didn't even happen.
Speaker 1:
Exactly Fake memories to see Hypnotosis yeah.
Speaker 2:
Drugs. And there was one other thing that these, oh, the electrical stuff, right, they would shock their brains.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And it was like holy cow, and they did it all under the guise of everybody having fun and free love.
Speaker 1:
I guess I hadn't read about that piece of it, but yes, I hear what you're saying. I guess that was the time frame.
Speaker 2:
I think it started earlier.
Speaker 1:
It started in the 50s. They started doing this in the 50s.
Speaker 2:
They started it in the 50s.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. They ended it in like 73 or something like that. I think yeah about 70, 71.
Speaker 2:
So it started to come crashing down. So I don't think that whole year was the only.
Speaker 1:
That one year was the only thing.
Speaker 2:
The church committee came in and really blew it up and they found out what happened. And I'm telling you, those books by Robert Ludlam and the movies follow it to the T almost. It's crazy. And movies don't really follow along with real life. They're usually loosely adapted. Yeah, these, now that I'm thinking about it, I've watched them so many times. I can almost recite every word that these movies really went along with everything I've researched on this topic. Really yeah, and everything is tied together from the season of.
Speaker 2:
Free Love to the Grateful Dead to Charles Manson, to Bourne, all of it. Hate Ashbery, hate Grateful Dead to Charles Manson, to Bourne, all of it. Hate Ashbury, hate Ashbury. Wow, it should not be celebrated.
Speaker 1:
And maybe that's why they took it off the Ben Jerry's container. Oh yes, it's not on that anymore.
Speaker 2:
Can't see it anymore. I think people are beginning to know.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean they don't want it on there. If it's going to reflect anything, bad, obviously hey it is what it is.
Speaker 2:
I guess I don't know. I guess I don't know. All I know is I say one thing all the time and I'll continue to say it Whatever you do. Question everything, don't take everything as it is, because something's wrong all the time, and I'm not looking to be a Debbie Downer at all, but something doesn't smell right?
Speaker 1:
probably ain't right. I like a good conspiracy theory every once in a while.
Speaker 2:
The right? Probably ain't right.
Speaker 1:
I like a good conspiracy theory every once in a while. The problem is, this isn't a conspiracy theory. This one isn't Exactly. This one's actually real. We just didn't. People didn't realize it was happening. Yeah, this is just shows what the government is.
Speaker 2:
I'll bet you, this is like Area 51. Oh yeah, oh, we should do that. We don't know anything about it, we can't find any information, but this one came out. But if this came out and they were doing it, how is the area 51 not true?
Speaker 1:
oh yeah, no, I I think all that stuff is true so that's how you question everything uh, yeah, and that moon landing.
Speaker 2:
Not so much on that one anyway we're getting near the end, so, uh case, it's always good to have you here. Miss you, love you, thanks, and uh we'll be back again we will hope you guys tune in. I hope you like the new format and the way we're going. I'll get worse.
Speaker 1:
I'll get better.
Speaker 2:
The worst part is these two. These three people are just too nice to me, so I'll keep working on it.
Speaker 1:
You want us to be mean, huh.
Speaker 2:
No, I want you guys to be nice. I'm the dick.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, well, we're too nice to you.
Speaker 2:
You are, no matter what you. So far, all three of you have agreed with me.
Speaker 1:
I think we're not really picking topics that we can completely disagree. I'm still questioning your Grateful Dead connection. Oh it's 100%. It's not something I'm going to get mad about. I don't really know I'd be mean about that.
Speaker 2:
You were the last one I thought was going to be mean.
Speaker 1:
Exactly so.
Speaker 2:
I figured T-Bot could and I figured Keebler could, but you were the one I thought couldn't handle it. I'm not really mean, but you're really making it difficult to be the bad guy and polarizing.
Speaker 1:
Ah, well, I'm trying, sorry.
Speaker 2:
Hey, you're doing a fine job. Don't worry about it, it's not my fault, you suck. Oh Nailed it Okay.
Speaker 1:
Nailed it, here we go.
Speaker 2:
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