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The Constructing Growth Podcast with QuickBooks Solution Providers
Looking for ways to save time and money on your construction or contracting business? This short podcast features advice and insights from QuickBooks Solution Providers who are experts in your industry. In each short interview with host Nate Flake, they cover how to streamline your back office, automate to reduce paperwork and find the right tools to set your business up for growth.
The views, information or opinions expressed during this podcast are solely those of the individuals involved, and do not represent those of Intuit QuickBooks or any of its cornerstone brands or employees. This podcast does not constitute financial, legal, or other professional advice or services. No assurance is given that the info is comprehensive, accurate, or free of errors, and the information presented is for general information purposes only. Intuit QuickBooks does not have any responsibility for updating or revising any information presented. Listeners should verify statements before relying on them.
Constructing Growth Podcast
The Art of Adapting: Managing Supply Chain Storms with Accounting Technology
In this episode, we’re joined by Lisa McCarthy, Founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Out of the Box Technology to discuss the impact of supply chain issues on the construction industry, and how the right tools and processes can help you weather them.
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Are you in the construction or contracting business and looking for ways to save time and money? Welcome to the Constructing Growth podcast. My name is Nate Flake and I'm here to help you discover ways to streamline your back office,
automate your workflows, and find the right tools to help you set up your business for growth. Welcome back to the Constructing Growth podcast with QuickBooks Solution Providers.
The podcast that's all about helping construction companies thrive. So I'm your host, Nate Flake, and today we are very lucky to have Lisa from Out -of -the -Box Technology. She's the Chief Strategy Officer there.
Today, we're going to talk about kind of supply chain issues we've seen the last few years. I'm going to let Lisa kind of talk about her background and her experience in working with those, those industries and those clients.
But supply chain disruptions have been common. Of course, they were the big buzzword during COVID, right? Like, you know, we can't get our materials because this factory shut down or workers aren't in the building for six months at a time.
And I think we've seen the kind of that trickle effect in the last two to three years since then, like we're still catching up, right? And so Lisa, first couple things. Tell our listeners, give us some background on what construction companies you've worked with,
how many clients. I know you guys see all types of industries in your client range. And then also, you know, how are you guys helping construction companies battle these supply chain issues? It's like something that's like,
you know, we thought, "Oh, after COVID, we're going to be good to go." But it's just like it's this never -ending thing, especially in construction. Thanks, Nate, for having me. Just a quick fun fact. I've been working with QuickBooks since it was DOS 1 .0.
I think it was on the market one week. So I've grown up with it. And one of my very first clients was a construction client. And while I have an accounting background,
I really wasn't prepared for the complexities of running a construction business. Construction accounting is probably one of the most difficult accounting problems to deal with,
because not only do you need to track just the general inflows and outflows of money, but you also have to track things down to an individual project level.
Because that's really, you know, if you don't quote well and you don't perform well on a particular job, job, they're usually high ticket items and it could take you out as a business owner.
So we've been working with construction clients. I was a guest speaker for construction associations, teaching QuickBooks classes,
and I work a lot with bookkeepers, but also with the business owner. And so I pretty much know that the business owner needs to have job costing and needs to be able to track things related to deposits on materials and deposits from customers.
And so their biggest challenge is really usually around cash flow. And they're really good at getting money up front from a customer, but they have a hard time keeping it in the bank and not spending it before it's too late.
So we have to make sure that we really utilize QuickBooks, the tools in there, the reporting in there to track deposits on orders with vendors. You mentioned supply chain issues.
It didn't used to be that construction companies had to pay up front for materials, but with the supply chain issues, now they're in their such lead time required,
they're having to put a lot of money up front to order those materials. And then that money sits out there for a really long time, and they can't do their install.
And so they can't get the rest of the revenue associated with that outflow of cash. So they're really struggling with cash flow because there's such this huge delay between being able to complete a job and having to put the money out there for the materials.
So we've had to be really diligent about building good reports for the construction companies to manage their cash flow, and QuickBooks does a really good job of that.
I didn't realize that they've changed kind of from, I guess, traditionally, we're like, "Okay, I have this supply company that I buy wood from, and I have an account with them and throw it on my tab, we'll settle up." So you're saying the supply chain current situation has forced all these suppliers to say,
"Hey, you've got to pay up front. We can't float that cost for the next eight months, right?" Yeah. I had a window and door company that they literally had to take out a line of credit to put deposits.
I don't know if you remember, nobody could get windows and doors for a long time. I, you know, prefacing this with, we were super smart and bought a completely fixer upper five years ago,
and it's been the bane of my existence, but we ran into that exact issue with doors. Yeah. So this was a window and door company that did the install. And so they got all these deposits from homeowners who wanted to put in new doors and windows.
And so they had the deposit, but that's only half. And then they had to put, turn around and put all that money as a deposit to order the doors and windows.
But then the doors and windows took six months to a year to come in so they couldn't do any of their installs. So they were almost like they couldn't work.
Yeah. Yeah. They just had to wait, right? Like everybody else. That's crazy. Yeah. And so they couldn't collect the last half of their deposit and they had to wait and everybody was redoing their houses during COVID.
So everybody wanted to order these doors and windows so they were getting all this cash up front from customers, but they still had to pay their employees to stick around, right?
Yeah. And so they had to get really creative, but they had to, it took them a good year and a half to recover just from that and having to put so much money out up front and wait so long for the materials to come in that put them in such a backlog of doing the installs.
So, it was really tough, really tough for them. And we built, I worked with them for a few months to put together some really good reporting so they could keep track.
They were using spreadsheets and all these things outside of QuickBooks and I'm like, "No, let's move to doing all of this in QuickBooks because it'll tie into your financials and you'll have much better results than trying to do it outside." Good timing for them too,
right? If you're going to have this kind of timing, might as well install a solution. Yeah. So, I mean, of course, during COVID we had all this, we're still seeing the effects of that and with different global crisis is going on,
supply chain, the economy is really kind of tied in together. Besides the customized reporting, when you run into clients, what other tools do you recommend for them or what are their features,
functionality to really get a hold of their supply chain and their backlog of inventory and things like that? I haven't done a lot on the inventory side because most construction clients don't necessarily carry inventory.
Yeah, they try to carry as little as possible, yeah. I guess more on the supplier inventory is what I meant, yeah. Right. They're drop shipping everything to the customer site, but one of the bigger challenges that I see with construction clients is their revenue recognition.
They have a really tough time matching the timing of the revenue to the timing of the expenses. So, QuickBooks lets you do a true accrual based accounting and if you work with a professional that can help you set up methods inside of QuickBooks to track revenue properly,
that's the thing I see them do wrong most of the time. So they'll recognize revenue when they collect a deposit from a customer and they'll recognize the expense when they pay the vendor.
Well, that's not accrual accounting. And so if they really could just utilize accounts payable and accounts receivable and some of the tools to actually do things on a cruel basis,
they'd have a much better picture of where they are in their business and, you know, are they actually making money or not making money. And it's not just based on the timing of when cash changes hands.
It's when you actually do the install or you actually complete a portion of the project that you can recognize revenue. And that's complicated. That's why construction accounting is complicated.
But there are great tools in QuickBooks to do that revenue recognition process. And we've got a couple franchises that we work with all their franchisees and teach them how to do that using the tools in QuickBooks.
So it's definitely possible, but it's one of the biggest challenges for construction clients. No, that's a great call out. I think if you're in construction listening to this and you do your cruel accounting the way Lisa's describing is incorrectly,
that's a good call out for those listeners, right? Of like, Hey, this is how you're supposed to do it. Last question for you, Lisa, as far as like, there's a lot of people listening that are either taking over their dad's fencing company or something,
or like a lot of new business owners, some of this younger generation, what would be the number one piece of advice you could give them about starting off on the right foot, right? As they take over this business or they start their own?
You're going to need a tech stack. You're going to need a tech stack. You're going to make need to make sure you're in the cloud, especially the younger generation you mentioned, you know,
somebody taking over for their parent, everything is needs to be web based. So a lot of construction clients are still holding on to the desktop version. It's a great product,
but you need to move to the Cloud because you need to integrate with all the other technologies that you're going to need, especially in the construction space. If you don't embrace those other technologies,
you're going to get left behind. So there's all kinds of great technologies out there for construction clients that can house drawings and have a QR code that you can walk up to a job site and scan it,
and it'll pull up all the drawings that you need for that project. And that information needs to integrate with your accounting. And so it's got to be cloud -based.
So just be ready to embrace the Cloud if you're not already there and embrace the tech stack because it's going to empower you to do more with less.
Great advice. Yeah, I think that goes both ways as far as the clients now. I mean, I know I'm a consumer. I don't want somebody writing an invoice on a yellow piece of paper and ripping it off and handing it to me.
Text me the link. Make it as easy as possible. So I really appreciate you taking the time with me today, Lisa, again, putting those insights for construction, and there's a lot that goes with it.
So I really appreciate your expertise. Thank you all for tuning in to the Constructing Growth podcast. As always, if you found this episode helpful, go like, subscribe, and share with your colleagues in the construction industry.
Stay tuned with more valuable insights. If you want to learn more about the QuickBooks solution providers that we have on today, like Lisa and out -of -the -box technologies, you can go to quickbookspartnersolutions .com.
And we'll see you guys next episode. Thanks a lot, Lisa. Thanks, Nate. Take care. The views, information, or opinions expressed during this podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not represent those of Intuit QuickBooks or any of its cornerstone brands or employees.
This podcast does not constitute financial, legal, or other professional advice or services. No assurance is given that the information is comprehensive, accurate, or free of errors, and the information presented is for general information purposes only.
only. Intuit QuickBooks does not have any responsibility for updating or revising any information presented. Listeners should verify statements before relying on them.