Bridging Gaps in Thai Society, Gender, and Ganja

Embrace the power of inclusivity with us as we dissect the societal support systems for LGBTQ individuals and challenge education's status quo. Joined by the insightful Lada, we uncover the transformative approach families, schools, and workplaces can adopt to not only accept but celebrate diversity. Our discussion ventures into the realm of hiring practices, advocating for a merit-based ecosystem where skills shine brighter than gender labels. Journey with us as we navigate the intricate paths of higher education versus hands-on experience, and learn why the tale of a Thai individual's rise from a mall kiosk to a hotel career may just be the key to redefining success.

The traditional educational model faces a reckoning as we unravel the story of practical learning triumphing over formal degrees. We examine Thailand's education system through the eyes of a hypothetical Minister of Education, advocating for a shift towards skill-based and passion-driven learning. Our conversation illuminates the need for effective language instruction and the potential of the internet as a boundless classroom, encouraging listeners to envision a future where students are empowered to chase their interests with fervor.

We then explore the landscape of Thailand's push for marriage equality and the nation's burgeoning support for the LGBTQ community, including the journey of transgender role model Mimi Tao. Our narrative acknowledges the cultural shifts signified by the rise of ganja shops and unpacks the complexities of Thailand's drug policy, questioning the effectiveness of current addiction treatments. Throughout this episode, we strive to provoke thought and inspire action towards a more inclusive and understanding society that champions individuality and talent over outdated norms.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hello everyone, welcome to my Thai Y Postcache. And now I don't have any Ys, and also the Mike is not with us. He's a lovely Y as well. I'm still doing this without my lovely, lovely Ys.

Speaker 2: 0:17

But, as you hear, lada is here. Hello, lada, how are you? Hi, I'm good. Good. I want to continue where we stopped last episode because I think we had very very very good conversation.

Speaker 1: 0:29

That's a lot of big topic. Come back.

Speaker 2: 0:31

So you started to say now two rules you want to change.

Speaker 1: 0:35

Yeah, two rules and a lot of things that I repeat. First, first things I want in the family right, as I told you, start with the family, accept, but not just only accept, support, support and give them cheerful or whatever that they can do. And also in the school yeah, I want the school to support and accept things about this thing also, like if they want, if they get the student you have, like, a lot of students that are LGBTQ you should support and open mine. Not just only open mine, but I mean in the costume or in the class or whatever this thing also. And then the third step, the number third, when you grow up and finish the school, when you go to apply the job, Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:25

I want all the company to accept about gender as well, not just only put on the paper a man, females, a male or females, but you need to have the other choice, like others, or LGBTQ, I would just say we are hiring.

Speaker 2: 1:39

Yeah, we are hiring.

Speaker 1: 1:40

I was like when you post on the social media that you want the new stuff, maybe you can say like, because right now they put just like man and lady, we want the staff, but man this ish, lady this ish, but you know, post like whatever about the LGBTQ, whatever lady boys or what else, okay, yeah. So sometimes we call like hey, we are lady boys, can we, can, we, can we apply this job? And some mostly they say no, we want ladies.

Speaker 2: 2:12

Okay, yeah. So why? Why can I ask why they say no Like, do you have? They have reason. Or just because they don't like lady boys?

Speaker 1: 2:22

I think some is like that, some, some people that don't like lady boys, but not not surely that I think some. The other point is like the thing maybe I don't know how to explain because I'm not that point.

Speaker 1: 2:40

Yeah Of course I'm the people, I'm the lady boy who want them to open my for us, but I don't know what's the owner thinking. I want to see and I want to know also what they're thinking. Okay, why just only men? Or maybe sometimes like only some job, and I understand, like security, yeah, I want a man. Okay, I understand. Yeah, and the other jobs, like the other job the lady can do? Why, why lady boy cannot do? Okay, why transgender cannot do?

Speaker 2: 3:10

Yeah, so this law, for example, in most of Western countries there is law for that.

Speaker 1: 3:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:17

That say you cannot exclude someone from work because of their identity.

Speaker 1: 3:21

Yeah, not just only their sexual. Maybe lady boy can work better, but sometimes, like it doesn't mean that all lady boy can work everything better, up to skill. But I mean say up to skill, lady can do, a man can do, and why lady boy can do yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:36

Some, some people let's.

Speaker 1: 3:37

I want to talk about like something in the middle, like cooking. Yeah, everyone can do cooking if they have the skill for that.

Speaker 2: 3:42

Yeah, For example.

Speaker 1: 3:45

I cannot cook anything, even omelet I burn.

Speaker 2: 3:47

Okay, I cannot cook, but but yeah, I know people, for example my wife. She never worked before about cooking, but right now she have the skills for that we can learn. No, she like she have the touch.

Speaker 1: 4:01

Yeah, you know what I?

Speaker 2: 4:02

mean, maybe she born with it, she good about cooking. Yeah, she never knew that about herself, but she's good about that. So I think, for jobs like cooking and, for my opinion, all jobs, for my opinion, even security, but I don't want to touch that right now, but yeah. I think, all jobs need to open to anyone, because when let's say I'm hiring, I'm hiring by skills.

Speaker 1: 4:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:25

So if I think someone is right for the job that I hired for, okay, let's, let's go, let's do that.

Speaker 1: 4:31

And also it's like, not like. Oh, another thing that I want. I mean this one is not out from their LGBTQ. I mean, when you go to apply the jobs and when you want a new stuff, I want the owner or the company to accept about their agenda as well. And also, the skill doesn't mean say what gender they are. And also another thing is the education. It doesn't mean that you have major degree and you work good. No, Some people that have high school degree work better. Can I explain something?

Speaker 2: 5:07

about that. There is an interesting point about what you are saying right now. Yeah, normally when people have the major degree, like the BA, and the. Ma and the doctorate or whatever. It's mean two things. First, it's mean that there are good learners. Yeah, you know they can learn something quickly, or if it's something that is complicated they are able to learn. And the second? The second thing is the subject they learn. Let's say I learned, for example, chemistry right, and we are both applying for a chemistry job to be a chemist.

Speaker 2: 5:46

I think I need to be a chemist if you don't have this degree right?

Speaker 1: 5:52

If you never learn about chemistry.

Speaker 2: 5:54

How can you be a chemist?

Speaker 1: 5:56

I understand about that things, but most of the job that we are doing now I can say maybe in Thailand or maybe in another country also, when the kid go to the school and also go to the university, and when the graduate, what they learn and then they are looking for the job that they want to go there, for example, they learn the chemical, but they have no job because we don't want a 1000 chemical, they don't want a 10,000 chemical. Notes I want used in day 1, for example, it's an arrangement to be a chemist is called. They not get the job that they learn. Okay, yeah. And also my point is like our, when we go to apply the job and when we go to the company, I want the company to open mind to the high school degree or even through the list there For them. It's like I think everything can learn. For example, we cannot do good in cooking, but we learn and then we become a chef Okay, but cooking is one thing yeah, I want to do my finances Mm-hmm, everything.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Let's say I have big company and I need someone to control my money. I will not take someone that don't have experience in that, that thing you can take.

Speaker 1: 7:10

I understand on that point I mean the other side, but if you want a doctor, so I'm sure it's like you don't want like a teacher, or you don't want, like a farmer, to become a doctor like that I understand.

Speaker 2: 7:23

If you go to school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:25

Up to them also Because like, yeah, if the job like that, I totally understand, but I mean another. So can you give me example?

Speaker 2: 7:32

for a job, for you understand what you mean.

Speaker 1: 7:33

For example, like when you go to, for example, myself. Okay, yeah, okay For myself. That's always the best examples, yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:43

Always yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:44

Because that's your best story. So I have only high school degree. Okay, people don't think that I can speak English. Okay, because I have only high school degree and mostly Thai people we don't speak English. Well, but I speak English.

Speaker 2: 8:00

You have a podcast? Come on yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:03

I can speak English. Yeah, and also it's like when I work in the shopping mall, yeah, in the shopping mall. So I have one lady. She named Elisa. I love her so much. They say my mommy, so she found me.

Speaker 2: 8:16

She older than you, yeah, she older than me.

Speaker 1: 8:19

She is my maybe third mommy, yeah, so she found me in the shopping mall and I'm selling about the robot to cleaning the house and I can speak English, so we have talking and conversation. She is a fucking lovely wife. She buy this machine to her husband Because when she go to work and the general manager in the hotel so she put most of the time in the hotel.

Speaker 1: 8:49

Okay, yeah, so she is her husband clean the house and take care of the baby. And she said, oh, my husband works so hard, I want to do something for him. So she buy a robot From you, yeah, for me. And then she like me because I can speak English. She said, wow, are you Thai? And then, wow, how can you speak English very well? Then she say, very impressive about me. Then she leave me about the business card and I'm general manager of this hotel and I want you to go to work with me if you interesting, yeah, in Bangkok.

Speaker 1: 9:26

But I feel like, hey, all I know, like mostly things that I know, if you want to work in the hotel industry, you need to learn about the hotel industry.

Speaker 2: 9:40

And the tourists. Yes, bachelor degree.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Not only, not just only like a little thing, but you need to learn and finish about the bachelor degree about the hotel and business major. Okay, you understand, yeah, and I feel like, oh, I don't have any experience about that things than I never work in the hotel and I never learns about this thing.

Speaker 2: 10:03

Okay, yeah, I'm just a salesman. But as a salesman you have experience in two things yeah, sales and customer service.

Speaker 1: 10:11

Yeah, and so with mine, yeah. So she see the service in me and she said, oh, maybe the service I can use in the hotel as well. So she hired me. But after few months, yeah, I contact her because in first thing, like oh, I'm not deserve this job because I didn't learn and I know, if you want this job you need to finish about the university, about the business and the hotel.

Speaker 2: 10:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:37

And the tourist things also for get the job Okay, and I know it's that and it's real. Yeah, but when I go to work in the hotel, I work very well. I can do everything very well. I learned lots of things.

Speaker 2: 10:51

Okay.

Speaker 1: 10:53

And then I can do very well. She says like you work, like more, better than the people who created these things, because sometimes you learn a lot from the paper.

Speaker 2: 11:04

You come lazy. You think, oh, I already learned that, why I need to work hard. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:10

It doesn't matter like you have a bachelor degree or major degree, you can work well. Some people is lazy, some people is not lazy, but I learned a lot. I know. I know everything. I don't want to learn about it. I know everything.

Speaker 2: 11:24

Too much confidence. I know what mindset you mean.

Speaker 1: 11:27

Yeah, they don't want to learn more because the things that you learn from the book it difference that you learn from the new experience.

Speaker 2: 11:36

It's the opposite sometimes. Yes.

Speaker 1: 11:39

Yes, you see now we learn a lot from the school Chemical we learn about.

Speaker 2: 11:48

Financial we learn about all the things Of course.

Speaker 1: 11:51

Physics, everything. But what do you use in that time? Nowadays do you do physics things.

Speaker 2: 11:58

No, but physics, computer science, really help when they teach that in high school.

Speaker 1: 12:03

computers is very important Computer language, yeah, english. Computer is the most uncalculated, yeah, like mathematics. Yeah, sometimes we need to use, but not too much like mathematics, like 3-gon or something like brism or something that fucking crazy Calculus or something that fucking crazy. We never use in real life, you understand. So I want to share this thing also when you go to school. What do you teach to the student?

Speaker 1: 12:28

Okay, some teachers said oh, because we have the rule like this number one, two, three, four, five. One subject, two subjects, three subjects, four subjects like science, mathematics, english and something like that. But sometimes we learn too much things. But the thing is we use just only two, three things that we can use in the real life. So another thing is that we lose our time.

Speaker 2: 12:52

So what would let's say now? You're the minister of education in Thailand.

Speaker 1: 12:57

What are you changing? Computer, english and maybe financial, okay, so what are you changing? And also, it's about the occupation Occupation. Yeah occupation, about the skill that, like, you can ask like, oh, what do you want to be? What, like, maybe you want to be a technician, maybe you want to be a chef, maybe you want to be the sting?

Speaker 2: 13:21

I don't think. At 18 I knew what I want to be. Even at 18 I was too young to decide or to dream what I want to be. You know?

Speaker 1: 13:29

Yeah, but you can shoot whatever you want to learn. Yes, yeah, whatever that you want to learn and I think now today is like I want the kid to not learn a lot from the paper, but learn from the experience. That's a good.

Speaker 1: 13:45

Yeah, because nowadays we like, for example, five hours that we learn in the skill in the class. Yeah, I want like, maybe it's like we learn just only three hours and two hours. We learn like to practice the things that in real Like maybe fixing something in your house yes, and also English, not just only grammar, not just only like dictionary or something like that, because your head gonna stick with that. And the big things about Thailand that we want to share is about the English English teacher and English study. We pushed a lot of things to give the kids to learn about the work at Bali, about the grammar yeah, about the grammar but they're not teach the kid. The kid know the work at Bali, the kid know the grammar, but they don't know how to speak, larry, yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:33

And they don't know how to speak, they don't know how to listen, they don't know how to write. I want to put this thing more, okay, yeah, more, more than a letter.

Speaker 2: 14:44

So you say basically that if you be the minister of education, you cut some subjects.

Speaker 1: 14:49

Yeah, I would cut some subjects that we don't want this.

Speaker 2: 14:52

Or chemistry.

Speaker 1: 14:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, or something like that.

Speaker 2: 14:55

And more you will put more time in English.

Speaker 1: 14:58

Computer science general skills and also give the kid to shoot like whatever they want to learn. Support them.

Speaker 2: 15:06

Okay.

Speaker 1: 15:07

Yeah, support them and give them a thumbs. So you think that?

Speaker 2: 15:09

there is a big problem with the education system right now in Thailand.

Speaker 1: 15:13

A big, a big, big, big, big big even through the teacher. I have many teacher friends. My friend become a teacher. I think more than 10 people, and they talk the same.

Speaker 2: 15:24

Okay.

Speaker 1: 15:25

Sometimes they, sometimes they want to teach the kid in this way, but the paper and the law control them. You need to teach like this One, two, three, four, five. Also, let me tell you something, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:37

I don't know if you know that, but in my country and I know also in many Western countries not all of them, because some Western countries have very good education, but in many countries the teachers teach just in order for you to get good grade, Because if the school show that the 90% of our children got good grade, the school get more money.

Speaker 1: 16:04

Sometimes it get good grade by give, like a teacher, a bamboo or some mushroom, or sometimes like a, a min or something like that, to get a good grade as well.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Yes, but I mean not small, small exams, I mean the national exams that they test everyone, sorry. So what they do basically is they spend most of the time teaching just to pass an exam.

Speaker 1: 16:30

And after that you can forget.

Speaker 2: 16:31

You don't, you don't need to use that anymore, and this is a big problem in the education system in most of the world.

Speaker 1: 16:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:38

They are teaching just to pass a test. They are not teaching you something that is useful, as you said.

Speaker 1: 16:43

And also, like the teacher, have a lot of things to do. Like my friend says. Oh, most of the time I do about the report. I go to meeting, I go to like organization, I go to this province for meeting, I go to that thing, that thing, that thing, and then I come back and have a thousand of report that I need to write, I read, to typing. I need to do this thing. And also the teacher also have the test. Like some organization, come to see you all, you have a good test or not a good test, and if you not have a good test, you're not passed. You cannot be a teacher. You can be like a fire or you be like you lose the test In order to be a teacher. You know, yeah, if it was the perfect world. So sometimes they lose the mind, they focus on the test If it was the perfect world.

Speaker 2: 17:27

I would choose teachers by how they are good at teaching and how they can communicate with the children, like, for example. I don't think I can be a good teacher, but I know that my brother he very good at explaining and he's very patient and he gives his time for other people in order they can learn and understand something, so maybe he's more suitable to be a teacher than me, and also now, today, I think that the kids can learn from the internet as well.

Speaker 1: 17:55

The internet has two sides, sometimes like porn and education, Porn and game yeah sometimes porn and game.

Speaker 1: 18:02

I understand the things, but the other side, they learn a lot from the internet, from YouTube or whatever. They want to learn. How many things in the internet you can learn a lot, not just only in the school. Sometimes a lot of things can learn outside of the school, yeah, so so I think that's the way we have a lot of things to learn out of the school. Yeah, many things you can learn surround yourself, and sometimes they don't have the lesson in the school to learn. You need to learn in real life.

Speaker 2: 18:33

You know, when my wife Sunari, when she wanted to learn how to cook something, she always go to her teacher. You know what is her teacher? Google and YouTube.

Speaker 1: 18:42

This is her teacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the teacher is all around and also with the knowledge you're all around yourself. Everything can be your teacher, Even to the bad people. They do a bad thing to you, but they give you a lesson.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Yeah, that's true, you can learn from experience.

Speaker 1: 18:56

Yeah, you can learn from experience and I think nowadays to learn from the experience our outside of the books and also outside of the box, out of the box as well.

Speaker 2: 19:06

That's not. Everyone know how to do that. So, many people are very inside the box.

Speaker 1: 19:12

Yeah, sometimes, like the education in Thailand, we are in the box, yeah, and we can also get out from the box.

Speaker 2: 19:18

Most of the countries are inside the box and if someone try to get out of the box, they put them back inside. Yeah, no no, no, don't ask this question. We don't talk about this question. Ask something else. Okay, so this was your.

Speaker 1: 19:31

So the number, 3 is about the job, and the job is come by the education. Yeah, yeah. And also you can see it's like when you see the lady boy and the trans woman where the job, the dick, you can find them. Mostly it's only like a 3D salon.

Speaker 2: 19:50

Okay.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Yeah, they can't mess with something yeah, a salon, nail salon, atri-sy, about atri-sy, like you know, like a makeup artist, oh yeah, a makeup artist, a costume, yeah, and like, and also sometimes you can see it's like a mostly cover ratio. Okay, yeah, cover ratio and this kind of stuff. But why? Why we cannot be a social, why we cannot be a teacher, why we cannot be a lot of jobs that we can't stand with a man and ladies.

Speaker 2: 20:25

Okay.

Speaker 1: 20:26

Yeah. So in my experience, when I go to apply the jobs, like I already know, like I'm lady boy, maybe they can say, okay, we can contact you later, but I know they're not gonna call me. Yeah, because I can see this thing. So I think I want the word, not just only in Thailand. I want the word to open my for LGBTQ.

Speaker 2: 20:45

Most of the countries. Yeah, most of the countries.

Speaker 1: 20:48

Yeah, maybe they can say yeah, they're open. Same same my country in Thailand. Oh, we really open for LGBTQ. We already open for lady boy but when we apply the job, they're not really open. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2: 21:00

Yeah, countries like America. This I know for fact. Okay, let's say, you apply for job, mm-hmm, you have a master degree, you are a lady boy, but I have master degree in finance and I apply job for finance. If I can learn that they hire someone that don't have master degree, have just bachelor degree, yeah, just because he's not a transgender, I can sue them. So many companies just say, okay, okay, we not touch this.

Speaker 1: 21:28

Yeah, if you want to walk here come on, come walk here, yeah, so, but nowadays I can see it's a little bit better, but not really better, yeah, but it's a little bit better. And also the first things, like for families, families, I mean, first we start from the family, yeah, and I want to end up with the family, okay. So first family and the second is the school and the third is about the job, yeah, and the final things we come back from the families LGBTQ families or lady boy families. We talked about the law, that's about the marriage.

Speaker 1: 22:12

About people's marriage same sex yeah, same sex marriage. And it's not just only marriage. It's also about a lot of law after marriage About your wheels, about your kid, about your adaptation Okay, about the house, about like when, for example, when you go to the hospital, and if you are LGBTQ couples, like lady boys and boys, or like a lesbian, but you're married, or maybe you're a couple but you cannot have like the same surnames After marriage can be the same surname, right In law.

Speaker 2: 22:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:49

For example, I married with this man and I changed my surname to be him yeah, so when we go to the hospital you can do whatever if you are a wife and husband. The wife can take care of her husband. The wife can sign all the papers in the hospital. But if you are LGBTQ, if you are, a lady, boys and. Yeah, cannot. Why Also the wheels? Because of the law? What?

Speaker 2: 23:14

the law say Can you explain to me?

Speaker 1: 23:16

The law says, like the law, allow for the people that get married in law right A wife and husband, but LGBTQ Cannot marry, even through. We married but we not really 100% of married in the law.

Speaker 2: 23:32

We married in this thing. You are married in the country, but you are not married by law.

Speaker 1: 23:36

Yes, we want to get married in law, by law, for more benefit. Not just not benefit, but for more, like a man and a lady getting yeah, just an equality for everyone.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Also the wheel, also adaptation of baby or everything. Yeah, we want that things. Okay, yeah, and this a little poise from this thing also from the job, and also from the number third and number fourth yeah, from the number fourth is very big also because it's like the entire life of the lady boys on LGBTQ. We also want a families. Yeah, we want to marry. We live like the other peoples and so we can do many things. We can do adaptation, we can go to the school, we can go to do everything in law Okay.

Speaker 1: 24:26

Yeah, because now we are off the law.

Speaker 2: 24:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:30

Yeah, Because sometimes we don't want to be in law everything, but sometimes it's very important for us to do something.

Speaker 2: 24:36

I remember you told me, like two or three episodes ago, that there is some change about that.

Speaker 1: 24:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now in Thailand we already is like allow for not 100%, but I think maybe 80%. We need to do something. So now it's like we win the world. We fight so many fucking year for this, like we want to get a Married. In Thailand we call some rototium. Some roti is mean married, but totium is means like you can do like same same a man and lady do Marriage equality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's thing. So this law we already win the new government.

Speaker 1: 25:15

Yeah, yeah the new government. We are supported law because of the young generation Politic party. Yeah, go cry. Party we, we, we put this law to the.

Speaker 2: 25:26

I don't want you to have problem with your government.

Speaker 1: 25:30

Yeah and also bad, bad, bad, bad, but it's a big point, I need to talk also joking, you can talk whatever you want. Okay, yeah, for me I don't care and also like, yeah, so we win this law, but not 100%. We need to wait a little things to let them, because I very slow percent. Right, we want something fast. But yeah, we know that in Thailand is slow percent, but yeah, we're gonna get this, this law. So very soon we can marry, the LGBTQ can marry.

Speaker 2: 26:00

You have already some husband in your eyes that I need to fight as fast as possible.

Speaker 1: 26:06

Yeah, maybe I cannot marry because I have a hundred husband you need to convert to Muslim, then if you be, Muslim, you can marry many people. Maybe only four, I think, but for me I want a hundred or a thousand, there is no wrong.

Speaker 2: 26:22

Maybe you need to make a new religion, ladder religion right how religion you can have a thousand husband I want to ask you. I read two days ago, oh, three days ago, I don't remember About that. Now it's have many shop that tell the cell ganja in Thailand, everywhere.

Speaker 1: 26:41

Before that thing sorry.

Speaker 2: 26:43

I'm sorry for internal. I want to finish the things.

Speaker 1: 26:46

Yeah, before this thing I have a big topic, or so it's like before before the night later. Yeah yeah, before the gunshot. Yeah, I want to talk about these things, like like last week. Yeah we have a big, big news in Thailand. Okay, like one celebrity, lgbt, one lady boy celebrity. She name is I used to tell you before she name it boy Tisha dad.

Speaker 2: 27:09

Okay, she is yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:16

Yeah, she very nice girl, she is very beautiful and she wins the Miss. Our Miss Tiffany. Okay, yeah, miss Tiffany is the beauty pageant for for lady boys. And for the transgender just tie yeah, in Thailand just for no.

Speaker 2: 27:32

No, not only in time, it's all over the world. Also are the worst as well.

Speaker 1: 27:36

But we do in Thailand every year. So she win and she very beautiful, okay, and she become a movie star, she become like her. But but one thing that I love about this lady, I call her lady. Yeah, yeah because she do. Everything is very, very good. She put herself in very good position and she she not do something very crazy, she keep cool, okay, all the time. So what the big is like a role models, yeah, and everyone love her and she very successful in her career also. And, yeah, she's, she very lucky love.

Speaker 1: 28:13

You're very fucking rich also, but she don't like to use the brand name. Nowadays she she become like on the top of the list already and she have a lot of brand name things, yeah. But now she said this is not like her, she wears just normal.

Speaker 2: 28:29

She don't want to show.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, she don't want to show off. She thinks, like some people is, do's about a brand name just for show off. Yeah, yeah some people is very poor, but we want to use the bad name. We want to buy a lot of brand name to show off, but she, she is like a more level than that. No she don't want any brand name and she lucky love with her boyfriend. She is like a. They used to meet each other when they're young, in the school.

Speaker 2: 28:53

Oh, they go to school.

Speaker 1: 28:54

Yeah, he older than her, but now they they become like a lovely couples, and this boy, this man, is a business man. Mm-hmm is very, very big power man in Phuket. He success because of Because of his surname is very well know. Okay and they know in Phuket this surname is Hong Hong Yoke. I think this mafia or just no, no he not he, not a mafia red like he, he, he have how to say in in.

Speaker 1: 29:24

Thailand money and his family a lot of money, very rich and very like a very good, good surname like I don't know what in English?

Speaker 2: 29:34

I know what you mean.

Speaker 1: 29:35

Yeah, I collect about the things that the owner so many, many years from grandma, from dad from yeah they know, everyone know this surname okay and everyone is very accepting in this surname, mm-hmm, it's kind of like a very powerful but a good one, yeah, a good one, not a bad one, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:54

But but when she married with this man, yeah, she become like a talk of the town and everyone to say a lot of new about these things and we are yeah me also Really really happy with her. Mm-hmm, really like a congratulations to her to have a good life. But last week's she do some things to support another miss, tiffany. She name is film. Okay, yeah, she is lovely.

Speaker 2: 30:22

Also very funny. She also tie.

Speaker 1: 30:24

But she is like the younger. Then you know, like a beauty pageant, have neck duration, and she is a younger and, and this boy, this Shada, she support a film. She support film. Yeah, I think it's lovely, lovely ladies, oh also, but we, they're all like LGBTQ, right.

Speaker 1: 30:43

No lady boys and then she transferred the money To film. Boy transfer this money to film, okay, but the things like at the point on the social media, like the, the I think the subject is like they want to don't the people to know that our lady boy is support each other. It's really very good.

Speaker 2: 31:04

Normally it's not like that.

Speaker 1: 31:06

We, we do, but we just want to show to show.

Speaker 2: 31:10

We support each other like that is a good community.

Speaker 1: 31:13

Yeah, okay, and when the new is released, but they have another public behind another public, another topic come up a big topic because Boy have, like her name is three, shada, right, boy T Shada, okay, yeah, but the bank put the beginning of the name like Koon.

Speaker 2: 31:36

You know Koon in Thailand, right sir?

Speaker 1: 31:38

Yeah, nice. Not not not, not, not, really not. Koon is not sir or mister. Koon is just like a former word to give like a good owner to the other people, for example, koon Mike. So Koon Mike and also Koon Lada. This is very honor.

Speaker 2: 31:56

Yeah very honor so it doesn't mean, like you are men or ladies.

Speaker 1: 32:00

Okay, so we put this word for for more honor to the people like Koon. Okay but there the sleep, yeah, the Transfer sleep from the banks. It show up, koon boy T Shada and transfer the money to Nai.

Speaker 2: 32:20

Nai.

Speaker 1: 32:21

Yeah, nai Kan Yarat or something like that. I cannot remember her name. Kan Yarat or something like that. Yeah, she have a lady names, but Nai is Mr. Oh, but Kunpoiti Shadda, transfer the money to Mr.

Speaker 2: 32:41

So because she famous, they not touch they say Kun but for someone not so famous they not care.

Speaker 1: 32:47

They say just Mr, she famous and she rich and she married with someone powerful. Yeah, so Mimi Tao. Mimi Tao is very famous lady boy as well. She is big role model. She is a model in another country, but she is Thai, so she run, she works so hard until she get like successful in her career. She have so many drama, so many things. Which bank is that? She name is Mimi Tao.

Speaker 2: 33:16

Which bank did?

Speaker 1: 33:17

this Maybe we not say.

Speaker 2: 33:21

Yeah, I know, yeah, I know.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Yeah, acp bank, okay, yeah. So Mimi Tao, she is a model and I like her also because she is a lady boy right, she is gay or lady boy or something like that. She used to be a monk before and she is lovely and then she want to be a model but she have, like, a very unique face and everyone she is bram to her, like, ah, your face is ugly, your face is not beautiful, something like that.

Speaker 2: 33:47

What's her name? She?

Speaker 1: 33:48

want to be Mimi Tao. Yeah she is very famous model. I like her so much. One of my role models, mimi, or Mimi, mimi, mimi, mimi, m-i-m-i. Mimi Tao, mimi T-A-L. T-o-t-l. Mimi Tao. This one, no, not this one, no, that's one, mimi Tao. This is all I found. You can say like Mimi Tao, thailand.

Speaker 2: 34:23

Mimi Tao, mimi Tao.

Speaker 1: 34:26

Model or something like that.

Speaker 2: 34:28

Oh, okay, this one.

Speaker 1: 34:30

Yes. Okay, yeah, you see she have beautiful, unique face.

Speaker 2: 34:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:35

I love it.

Speaker 2: 34:36

Yeah, she have a very big shape. She very famous.

Speaker 1: 34:39

Yeah, but she find so hard for her career. She go to Singapore without any money in her bag. She have like very small money and she live in the gas station.

Speaker 2: 34:50

Now she is living in Singapore.

Speaker 1: 34:53

No, no, I think she not stay in any other country like too much, because she is a model.

Speaker 2: 34:59

Oh, she is not from there. Sometimes she goes around, yeah, sometimes she come to Thailand.

Speaker 1: 35:02

Now I think she is in Thailand, yeah and yeah. She find so hard for her career. Then she go to Singapore to be like a model agency. She try to find a job. She go to a lot of casting. She said like she used to sleep in the gas station Drink a bottle of water from the sink.

Speaker 1: 35:24

From the sink because she don't have the money left. But she said she cannot go back. Yeah, same same story. When I come to the bank in Bangkok I said I have no money. I eat like a very small food because I don't have money. But I told myself I cannot go back. Yeah, so I like her so much. But now she very successful in her career and then she come out to 2 days about it. She said she don't hate boy digital, she love her and she don't have any agreement of film. Film also, she love both. But the point is why boy digital, boy digital, get cool boy digital and why film get Mr yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:12

So we want the bank to come out to say why, what the fuck? Why?

Speaker 2: 36:17

I think it's not the problem with the bank. Yeah, I think it's the problem with the government.

Speaker 1: 36:20

I think the government need to accept from the bank.

Speaker 2: 36:24

The bank first.

Speaker 1: 36:25

Why, if the government accept and let you change your sex in your ID, no, but the bank, if you want, if you decide to call the people like us, like KUN, it needs to be all the same, kun for everyone. Kun for everyone, ok, kun for like not just for the rich and powerful.

Speaker 1: 36:50

Yeah, maybe. Maybe it doesn't mean that you can put KUN for the lady or KUN for a man, but also KUN for for the lady. Boy is also not Mr. Yeah, you understand. Yeah, yeah, we know, we are Mr, we know, but please respect us.

Speaker 1: 37:07

Yeah, yeah, please respect and why we are the same lady boy. We say why another person is KUN, why another person is Mr, we want the same. And then and it's become a big topic of the of the country. So it's like and boy is very sad. She was sad and she said like, ok, she's going to call the banks. And what happened? Because sometimes she's very busy, she goes to the bank, open the bank account and then they put this thing and the bank come out to say oh, we are really sorry, we really apologize for this, it's about their staff mistakes. But we know it's not the staff mistakes.

Speaker 2: 37:43

It's the bank policy.

Speaker 1: 37:44

Yeah, it's the bank policy, but also and with these things, yeah, we talked a lot and we want, like the bank, to put the same, like KUN, kun, kun, for every lady boy. Same same, not just only for someone that have big power, someone the superstar, yeah, for someone like a very well know, respect everyone. Yeah, respect everyone. And also it's like the politic party, my politic party. I can say my because I love it.

Speaker 1: 38:16

And I support them so much, like the orange one and yeah. So the Kau Kai politic party, the young generation politic party, we try we talked about this and we put like a week we write the laws to send to the politic party in like a Supreme Court or something like that. Yeah, and we want to change about the laws, about the names of like a I don't know what English call, like a Mr, mrs, something like that In front of the names like.

Speaker 1: 38:49

We want to change this. We want the LGBTQ In first. We win about the marriage right. And the second thing about this thing we want to change about the in front of the names.

Speaker 2: 38:59

Yeah, so if I want a lady, I can change.

Speaker 1: 39:02

Yes, we want this, but the Supreme Court doesn't allow us not yet. Not, no, not, not them, not yet, but no way Now.

Speaker 2: 39:13

But maybe few. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because right now it's like a very important to stay optimistic. You know, even someone now say no, yeah, anything change over time.

Speaker 1: 39:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we think like next time, like next four year maybe we not win this time, but next four year we want to change this. Okay, yeah, I really hope so.

Speaker 2: 39:33

I hope so Because I think this makes a lot of uncomfortable moment for people. And then the government come out, for example, I think, if you want to travel, let's say now you want to travel to Israel, just for example. But if they buy ticket for you, I think the ticket have to say Mr yeah, but you know it's like many country already change yeah. Yeah, and also, I can't change, I can't do, you can change.

Speaker 1: 39:56

That's really good and also it's like the other politic party we call put tie right that they're cheating on us like before. They are the same team, we don't want.

Speaker 2: 40:08

We don't want problem with the Thai government.

Speaker 1: 40:11

So this thing, so these things, like before, they said they support us, but when the law come in, they not support.

Speaker 2: 40:22

They lie, they want to vote for them.

Speaker 1: 40:25

They just says like oh, it doesn't mean that we don't support. We really support. But they have so many small law, small letter down there. We need to change a little bit. We need time, but we know you are liared. So yeah, after next four years we will change these things. I understand.

Speaker 2: 40:43

I want to go back to what I started before.

Speaker 1: 40:46

Yeah, yeah, five by the week, yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:49

So I read now if someone going to Thailand right now, they will see many, many, many stores that sell marijuana, gunja, and you can smoke there in. It's legal.

Speaker 1: 41:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:04

But I read that until the end of this year they change back. The law Cannot change back. Two days ago they say they will change back the law because they do a mistake. This law for allow gunja to be legal was a mistake for them. Because they change the government in the middle and they cannot change back. They say until the end of this year they they are changing that back. This is what I read. I want to know if you heard about that.

Speaker 1: 41:31

It's not easy.

Speaker 2: 41:33

Many people will lose money.

Speaker 1: 41:34

Yeah, because, like our Eve, you already know in first step that this is gonna be the big problem, but you still allow this law to appear. Now you see when the things like we know, like when you use the laws, and then I don't want to talk shit about my government and also say, yeah, as you told, like you don't want to have the problem with this thing.

Speaker 2: 41:58

I don't think you can do podcast when you be in Mackey house, so this is f**k up and also cause.

Speaker 1: 42:05

I cannot say whatever I want you to say. So because we know like the big man in this f**king government is like half a.

Speaker 2: 42:14

Pryute.

Speaker 1: 42:16

Not Pryute the others. Yeah, then they will go about the. They say like, oh, we allow this law. We use this law because we know like Gancha or the weed is like very good for medication. They said they allow for medication but they have a big gap on the law that if they allow, people will sell, selling on the street. They know because before the law is come out, we have many people come out to say no, we not support. No, we not support, mostly Thai people.

Speaker 2: 42:49

I don't support also, by the way.

Speaker 1: 42:50

Yeah, we not support, we not support. Many people come out to say but they not listen because they have the power and they get a big money from these things.

Speaker 2: 42:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:00

And now they want to go back. I don't think it's gonna happen, because many people is already create the business already and they don't want to lose the money yeah. But not just only the business people, this thing, but a big, big, big business people behind the government as well. They get a big benefit and they don't want to change this law. So I think it's impossible.

Speaker 2: 43:26

We will have to follow that.

Speaker 1: 43:27

But nowadays they have another crazy law. You know, yaba.

Speaker 2: 43:32

Sadly, I know, yaba.

Speaker 1: 43:33

Yes, yeah, you know, yaba, right? I don't know what in English called.

Speaker 2: 43:37

Yaba. This is a methamphetamine mixed with caffeine. It's a very bad drug.

Speaker 1: 43:43

One second I want to explain.

Speaker 2: 43:44

It's a very bad drug that making a lot of problems in Thailand and all of Southeast Asia. It's one of the worst drugs that is on the earth and it's very cheap to make and they sell it very cheap and it ruins many lives.

Speaker 1: 43:58

You know, in Thailand we have a lot of problems about this thing For long term, long, long term. Every year, every day, we have the problem with this thing and you know what the fucking crazy thing that happen in Thailand. Now I know you don't want to have the fighting with the government, but yeah, the government is allow that if you have 5 Yaba in your back, you not be a seller Before. If you have 5, like maybe 5 or maybe 1, some people like they do the selling that right.

Speaker 2: 44:32

So let me explain, let me understand If I have 4 Yaba is okay, police, not take me yes 5 Up to 5.

Speaker 1: 44:41

If I have 6 this problem 6 the problems.

Speaker 2: 44:44

What the fuck?

Speaker 1: 44:45

So I can sell 5 every time, yeah but the government that says they change this law because nowadays they have too many people in the prison.

Speaker 2: 44:56

Yeah, in the prison system. The prison system is very trouble people.

Speaker 1: 45:00

Some people is not selling, some people just taking.

Speaker 2: 45:02

Taking, yes, but how do you know?

Speaker 1: 45:05

who's selling. And now they allow for 5 if you have 5 and everyone can say no, so they can sell 5 every time.

Speaker 1: 45:10

Yeah, everyone can sell, like and one funny thing is a man who in the prison, some reporter interview him Like, ask a seller, how do you think? How do you think about this law I'm very happy with this law and what the fuck with the government doing this thing. What they thinking Because, like, if I have 5, I can say I'm just take it, I didn't sell it, and I now a day I pack 5,5,5,5,5,5,5 for sale. This is one of the fucking thing that happen in my country right now.

Speaker 2: 45:45

So let me say something about that. Yeah, okay, I talk about my country for a second. In my country they used to be a big heroine problem. Many people used heroine before in my country and in order to make that problem stop, if people want, they can stop take heroine and they can go to the government and the government give them substance. It's called Adolan. You can take this and then you don't this same heroine. Okay, now you feel you don't need heroine. I see.

Speaker 1: 46:23

Like a treatment?

Speaker 2: 46:24

Yeah, it's like a treatment, but basically you are still addicted. Now you are addicted to Adolan and not for this. So I understand why they want to have people that already addicted to Yaba that if I have 2 Yaba or 3 Yaba I can smoke, no one make problem for me. But the problem is that I don't think they should allow the Yaba itself, because this mean people will still bring Yaba and make Yaba inside Thailand and will sell. I think the better way to do that is give something else that the government produce. For example, let's say I'm addicted to Yaba. I come to the government say listen, I don't want to be addicted to Yaba anymore. Can you give me something else?

Speaker 2: 47:06

I take from you you tell me, let's call it smoke just for name. Okay, can you give me 3 smokes, for I not feel that bad when I not have Yaba. And then people that still have Yaba it's a problem and they cannot sell, but we have a solution from the people that already addicted. So I think this is a very big problem and I don't understand why what they were thinking.

Speaker 1: 47:33

The same thing with Kansha. The thing is for medication.

Speaker 2: 47:38

Yaba is not for medication. Methamphetamine is one of the worst drugs on earth.

Speaker 1: 47:43

I mean it look like the same. They have like a stupid reason. Yeah, a stupid reason. It's like oh, this is from a medication, and you see now they have a lot of students smoking Kansha in the school. Also after finish school. So you cannot control that Because, like you already do, like this thing and also like when people selling Kansha, they said, like the government says, oh to selling Kansha is not good, but how can you do? Because they have a big gap of the law and you already know that in first.

Speaker 2: 48:16

Yeah, but I don't think we can compare Yaba to Gansha.

Speaker 1: 48:20

I think it's all like attic.

Speaker 2: 48:23

Yes but I not see many people go crazy from Gansha, same they go crazy from Yaba.

Speaker 1: 48:32

Yeah, but also crazy, and also some is crazy. Cannot say no one.

Speaker 2: 48:37

I don't say no one, I say I have never seen.

Speaker 1: 48:42

Whatever you never seen it doesn't mean that they don't get it. I used to use a lot of Gansha, a lot of hash.

Speaker 2: 48:47

I used to use many drugs. The only reason I stopped using that drugs is because it's making me lazy. I don't like to feel lazy when I used to smoke. I just want to stay home, smoke, play game, watch movie. I don't care anything else. So this was the problem for me. But about Gansha, I'm in the middle. But about something like methamphetamine or heroin, that's crazy. Smoke crazy.

Speaker 1: 49:13

And yeah, the sad thing is like the stupid reason is come out and then, like the very sad thing is, like the people like us, like the Thai people or some other people, normal people Like us, even though we're not supported but we cannot do anything, we just come out to say no, no, no. But they not listen Because they have the power to do this thing. Same same what we do with Gansha.

Speaker 2: 49:37

One of the reasons we are making this podcast is because we want the world to go out. So we are calling now to the people. If someone listen to us I don't know, but maybe someone in the Thai government listen to us Please revoke this law. It's a bad law.

Speaker 1: 49:54

Very bad.

Speaker 2: 49:55

Don't do that. You are hurting people more than you are helping them. There are other ways to fix these problems. Try to look on other models that was created in different countries like Canada, us, israel and many other western countries. They have better system to treatment than giving a proof to using the Yaba. It's a wrong move you are doing so. Please consider that.

Speaker 1: 50:20

Very sad. And you can read more when you can go to Google and you can read more about these things.

Speaker 2: 50:28

I really want to know what we need. It's really sad, so sadly. On this sad note, we have to finish this episode.

Speaker 2: 50:37

Thank you everyone for listening. Please, if you can like, subscribe to our podcast. It helps us tremendously. You don't even believe how happy it makes us to see the numbers go up. And also it's not really the time to announce, but I want to announce it now. We have a surprise coming for you on May it's two months from now, but we are doing some collaboration with one of the best podcast about Thailand and Pattaya in general. We contacted them and they agreed to do a podcast with us, so we are very excited for that. So thank you guys for listening. Nada, have something to say to our listeners.

Speaker 1: 51:20

Thank you for listening our podcast. I hope you support us and, yeah, I still want a bigger and bigger mic. Yeah, yeah, if you can like draw a little tip for us, it's gonna be very good motivation for us to create about a very good.

Speaker 2: 51:39

This not mean we stop do, but it will make us do better content.

Speaker 1: 51:43

Yeah, a better if we have a better equipment and, yeah, it's gonna be like, make me feel, like, hey, I feel more motivation and more inspiration for our podcast.

Speaker 2: 51:57

And also she need her boobs done, so come on.

Speaker 1: 52:00

Yeah, so come on now. Maybe I can get one, but I want to.

Speaker 2: 52:06

Not just only one. And again, thank you, jonathan, for helping us.

Speaker 1: 52:10

Thank you, joe. We really appreciate that. See you on bed.

Speaker 2: 52:14

Did he contact you already? Really, I don't think so, but I will check the email If you listen this.

Speaker 1: 52:20

You can contact me as fast as possible because I want to tell you let's live with me, free, back fast.

Speaker 2: 52:28

Yeah, and also now. Maybe you can marry with her.

Speaker 1: 52:31

I have condom and also I have gel, so don't worry about this thing.

Speaker 2: 52:35

I'm ready. Thank you, lada. It was a great episode, as usual, and we will see you next week.

Speaker 1: 52:41

See you, bye, bye.