AI in Music: How Artificial Intelligence Is Affecting The DJ Industry - Ep #23

Can artificial intelligence revolutionize the music industry? Brace yourselves as we kick off an electrifying discussion on AI's transformative impact on music production, DJing, and more! We explore how AI is not just a futuristic concept but is already reshaping how music is composed, produced, and even consumed. From AI-generated tracks to personalized playlists on Spotify, we unravel the secrets behind these advancements and speculate on what the future holds for AI's role in entertainment.

We're thrilled to celebrate a milestone as we officially announce the launch of our podcast on YouTube, TikTok, and various social media platforms starting June 1st. Every Monday at 12 PM Eastern Time, you can catch our synchronized weekly releases. Plus, we're spicing things up with contests, giveaways, live interactions, and Q&A sessions featuring influential guests. Our heartfelt thanks go out to our listeners who've been with us since January—we're excited to reward you with some fantastic prizes as our community continues to grow!

Ever wondered how DJs are keeping up with the rapid advancements in AI technology? We dive into the evolving landscape of DJ software, contrasting traditional beat matching with modern waveform analysis. Discover the revolutionary tools like CrateHackers, Lexicon DJ, and DJ Studio, and their impact on a DJ’s workflow. We also discuss AI's incredible capabilities in stem separation, acapella generation, and even voice replication of iconic artists. As we gaze into the future, we ponder AI's potential to seamlessly select tracks based on crowd responses, while acknowledging that the irreplaceable human touch will always be at the heart of DJing.

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Transcript

Ilia: 0:19

how's it going, everyone? And thank you for joining another episode of the clever dj with ilia and nino howdy doody guys.

Ilia: 0:27

It is episode number 23 number 23 and a very, very, very special episode. That is because it's always special. We do say it a lot, we do say it a lot. But, um, today and I'm gonna be reading a lot because there's a lot to say but we are very happy to bring you the super special episode today and officially announce officially announce that all of the features of our podcast which were discussed in the past are going live today. Yes, live. So June 1st is when we're going to actually start, but this podcast will be aired june 3rd. We're just going to condense everything and make sure that everything is going live and by the end of june, uh, everything will be back on track in terms of all the features we discussed. Uh, so, as you've heard before, um, we mentioned we are on YouTube and TikTok. We also said that we have a website with lots of information on it pertaining to the podcast and DJing in general. We've been sharing our social media links and advising of certain new features which are upcoming in our podcast, of certain new features which are upcoming in our podcast. So we're happy to say that today is the month that we are going to actually start releasing all of that. It's going to be released in a very condensed manner because we have to catch up and you know, we know, we said you know, and you know, we know, we said you know, check us on our website, check our youtube videos and every month, every month, we we thought it's going to be it, but this time it's happening. Everything is ready and you know, if you want to do something right, sometimes it takes some time.

Ilia: 2:18

We're proud to announce that our youtube channel is now going to feature all of our full episodes, uh, and we also have a second YouTube channel which um will have uh, just the shorts, just the YouTube shorts, the clips, um, and other content, uh, which is not our full episode. So if there's any promotional material, anything else, that uh fits that channel more, that's where it's going to be. Uh, we're also going to be. We're also going to feature content on TikTok as well as our social media, which has been dormant up until today. All of the episodes which are going to air up until the end of June 2024 will be uploaded before the end of the month and starting July 2024, we are going to uh sync YouTube and TikTok with all of our other platforms, uh, which we have been on weekly, every Monday Uh, this means that every Monday and for now it's 12 PM, so, everyone, every Monday, 12 PM Eastern time you're going to have access to our weekly podcast episode on every platform going forward, so be at spotify, apple music, google for now, before they are closing down and uh migrating to youtube music um and iheart radio literally every platform out there along with youtube um, tiktok. Everything is going to be released around the same time every week. Everything will be uploaded simultaneously and the website, as well as social media, will be kept up to date on the same day for each podcast episode, along with additional content between episodes.

Ilia: 4:08

Uh, additionally, uh, we would like to remind you that, aside from our banter style DJ podcast, we are going to also include contests as well as giveaways and live podcast episodes. Yes, the live stuff is coming as well where you can uh interact with us and uh call in or send messages during the podcast. Um, we are also going to have Q&A sessions as well as interviews with influential guests in the industry, as well as industries which are correlated to DJing. Right, it's not only about DJing, but everyone we work with, and it influences us in one way or another, and that's starting up. In the next few months.

Ilia: 4:42

We're still working on it, but that's coming up very, very soon. A lot of this was planned to start months ago, but we wanted to make sure that we do it correctly, so we delayed it a little bit and we're happy to announce it today, as everything is already in motion. Lastly, we just want to give a huge shout out. You know what I'll do it again. We want to give a huge shout out to all of you who stuck with us ever since the first episode back in January. Back in January this year, we really haven't been doing any promoting and you all found us, yeah, but we still have listeners.

Nino: 5:24

So somehow you guys found us? Yeah, but we still have listeners. Yeah, you all, for somehow you guys found us.

Ilia: 5:28

Yeah, you all found us in one way or another, and um, we're happy to say that we have hundreds of listeners already, uh, across the world. Different platforms um, different styles, different methods of listening to us as well.

Ilia: 5:42

Just just uh, of listening to us as well. Just, just, uh, audio, yeah, just audio for now. We had a few episodes uploaded. You know, we were testing out youtube, youtube shorts, tiktok and we got a bunch of views right away.

Ilia: 5:55

Um, some likes, some people followed us, but we've been taking it down, we've been trying different things, but, uh, what I'm trying to say is that the community is growing and this is one of the reasons we can finally start treating you with some awesome prizes, like giveaways and fun contests.

Ilia: 6:11

Right, I mean, you guys make this podcast what it is, because all of this, all of this information, I mean, yeah, somebody has to consume it. Right, and um, we believe this is the best time to start this because, while many podcasts and youtube channels don't start giveaways until they're like thousands and thousands of listeners and viewers, we would like to treat you uh early as a thank you. So there's a much higher chance to win the, the, the prizes, the giveaways, because there's few of you for now, quite a few already, but still, in comparison to other YouTube channels and podcasts, there's a much higher chance to win and to just participate in a fun way, considering how early we're starting this. Amongst the giveaways, we will have items as cheap as USB drives, maybe t-shirts and stuff like that, and small hard drives all the way to different kinds of cables and hardware, headphones, as well as speakers and controllers and many other items used in the dj world.

Ilia: 7:17

Yeah, dj electronics, anything dj related yeah, have some anything that that you guys will appreciate. Um, so, once again, a big thank you, uh to every listener and viewer out there who tunes in uh to our podcast. Um, it means the world to us and we truly love doing this, and we can continue doing it Thanks to you. Thank you, um, for today's episode. We are going to discuss artificial intelligence. Oh my God, that's a big one man, finally.

Nino: 7:52

We've been wanting to do this episode for a while now, but yeah, we've been pausing it and holding it back just because it's a really big one.

Ilia: 8:00

Yeah. So it's a topic which we meant to discuss back, uh, on our first couple of episodes, and it's a huge topic, just like nino just said, and we never really got around to to it. So we decided, you know what, let's split it into two episodes, maybe three episodes, yeah, because there's so much to talk about. So today we'll just be, we'll just be a general scratching the surface, pretty much um on it and um we'll be. We'll bring you a much more in-depth, uh, a much more in-depth episode about it in the near future, as this is a rapidly evolving topic and every time we were ready to talk about it, there was something else that came out, yeah right, so you know, you wrote so much here.

Nino: 8:44

Whatever?

Ilia: 8:45

I feel like I'm in a high school presentation or something like that, but there's just so much we want to really bring you a proper episode.

Nino: 8:55

So in general, like AI has changed the world in general, right? So what do you think is the jobs that are affected with AI?

Ilia: 9:07

So just to provide kind of an overview about AI and the current applications in the music industry. So artificial intelligence has been rapidly transforming the music industry. It's impacting both music creation and the listening experience, and just a few topics would be music production If you are part of communities online where you can find music or upload your own music, you can find that a lot of music out there is not really created by human beings anymore. People are using ai modules to create it, so it can assist musicians in composing new music, generating fresh ideas and just creating entire pieces based on specific styles or genres. Um, and music recommendation and spotify is part of that too spotify is very, very big with.

Nino: 10:03

That Helps you curate playlists for the listeners and, yeah, it just gets in the mind of the listener and just curate stuff that they've been listening to, past songs and recommendations on new stuff they might like right, kind of like how did you know I was going to listen to that right?

Ilia: 10:22

It's incredible. So streaming services leverage AI algorithms to analyze our listening habits and recommend, like, personalized music selections um, something that is has been done differently in the past um content restoration. So that's something that, like I I even use certain apps right now for the podcast or as a DJ, and it helps me restore old or damaged recordings, isolate vocals, stems.

Nino: 10:58

Like recordings, like old Beatles and stuff. Right, like old recordings. It'll actually make it up to date.

Ilia: 11:03

Like remaster it Pretty much, yeah, and stems as part of it as well. Uh, enhance the audio quality, like you said. Um, and just this is the the coolest and scariest one personalized experience. So ai can tailor music to an individual's mood preferences or even biometric data. It's crazy, creating a fully customized listening experience and, um, that's just something that made us wonder what is in the future for us in terms of AI.

Nino: 11:37

Um well, when the first time I brought it, we brought up AI and I brought it up to you. What was your? What did you think? So, because you just kind of started DJing too.

Ilia: 11:50

I think you messaged me, you sent me some information online what was it? Youtube or something and you said oh, it was some article, like like, we started talking about the fact that AI will be integrated into certain hardware you know, software and hardware where it's going to be able to scan the crowd and their heartbeat, heartbeat, the noise that they're making, the dopamine levels, the movement, because there'll be cameras and stuff.

Nino: 12:21

So it's going to analyze people, their body like body, like temperature and stuff. So it's gonna analyze people, their, their body like body, like temperature and stuff like that.

Ilia: 12:26

So and it's gonna be able to read the crowd in a way that a human being cannot sure like sure it's also. It also goes vice versa. I mean, a human being can do things that ai can't, but just give it some time. Um, and, and you know, was like buddy, you gotta get on this, because soon, soon, you're gonna have a job.

Ilia: 12:51

Yeah, it's gonna take over, right you're like, oh, I've already done this for like around 20 years. I'm good, I've had my fun, I have a very well established business. But like you're just starting out, you you may as well get on the train and, you know, develop your business before it's too late. How did you feel? A part of me didn't believe you and I still, obviously, and based on, like, the recent data, you can tell that, um, you know, it's not, it's not there yet that accurate that this is even going to happen.

Ilia: 13:19

Um, as we're, as we're also adapting to it right in, in ways that we're working with it instead of it working against us. But in many ways, even things that are not really AI, even things that are as simple as self-checkout at a supermarket, that has nothing to do with AI but it's kind of automated as a system and that took so many jobs away from people. But then look what happened they're closing a bunch of them Because there's theft, there's this. So at the end of the day, you can't always rely on computers. So I said, you know what? There'll be the demographic that's going to go for that Pretty much the people who just use a.

Nino: 14:01

And the thing is with computers you have to think there's, there's always going to be, a human controlling the computer until it's until it's the other way around.

Ilia: 14:10

That's scary. So a few months ago I read, uh, an article. I'm trying to remember where I read it. It was, it was.

Nino: 14:17

It was a pretty like bro, you watch, you watch the terminator.

Ilia: 14:22

yeah, a lot of stuff is happening that was in the movies 10, 20, 30 years ago, yeah, bro. But I read an article that stated I'm trying to remember where it was, but it was a legitimate source and I believe if you'll search it online, you'll find it. You'll probably find a lot more than just that article now but it said AI will reach singularity. By when did I say that? Oh man, 20, it was very soon. It was like 2025 or something like that. Um, what that's like? No wait, it wasn't. It wasn't, it was. It wasn't that soon. I need to find it. I shouldn't be saying stuff without without fully remembering it, but it was a few years. It was like 2026, 2027. But the thing is, the reason why I don't remember is because there was several other articles that kept on going closer to our current year, because now with um, even chat, gpt, when I was at 4-0 or something like that, the new version and 5 is going to come out.

Nino: 15:14

So how many? How many versions are there now?

Ilia: 15:16

chat gpt well, I know that, though I I'm not going to speak about it in terms of versions because I don't know in specifics, but I know four has been out for a while and then four oh, it's like the update. And then I believe some sam altman said that it's going to be so much crazier, which in many ways it wasn't what what he said it was going to be. But they're coming up with another update. So all I'm saying is so. All I'm saying is that ai is a very rapidly evolving industry and a lot of the news you hear as a fact or a very, I guess, logical theory can and probably will change to something completely different in the next few months or a couple of years.

Ilia: 16:02

So I actually ended up finding the article. I really hope it is a legitimate source. It looked like it was to me. It's on popularmechanicscom. It was published November 9th 2023. And it says that a scientist says that the singularity will happen by 2031. The reason why I was thinking it was earlier is because I found several other articles that are saying it's going to be actually earlier than that and was referring to this article and other articles. The whole profile of that scientist is on that article. I'm going to post it. We're going to post it, but it's pretty much a singularity is the moment where ai is no longer under human control and is less than a decade away.

Nino: 16:50

So this is pretty much what they're saying that's the end of the human race, and then when robots will take over. And that's when you said terminator. Exactly so, exactly so. Actually there's. There's four versions of chat gpt right now, but there's more coming out for sure 3.5, 4, 4, turbo or something like that, and 4.0.

Ilia: 17:10

4.0, yeah, something like that. Apparently, according to Sam Altman, I read an article where it said that the next chat GPT is going to be just on steroids. It's going to be insane and some people were disappointed with 4.0, but I believe and I'm not an expert on AI or chat GPT, but I've been, you know, trying to keep uh tabs on it I believe huge changes are coming, of course, very, very soon. Um, I, uh, I just I read uh about the few updates since 4.0 and it's just exciting, but at the same time, it's freaking scary.

Nino: 17:48

It's very, very exciting for for everybody. Right, it's, it's, it's, but it's something that we need to use, right? So, cause we're developing Something that you definitely have to adapt to Adapt to.

Ilia: 17:59

So, uh, just a few uh software pieces of software out there that use AI models or modules. One of them actually does not use it. I think that's Lexicon DJ, so we'll start from that one. From what I understand, it doesn't Lexicon DJ itself does not currently use AI for DJing tasks like beat matching or song recommendation. For DJing tasks like beat matching or song recommendation, however, there have been discussions about potentially integrating AI features in the future, such as syncing with AI-powered DJ software. I actually went on Reddit and I asked I was actually curious what somebody could say and they tagged either the developer or the person in charge.

Ilia: 18:41

So, let's see what he says. I'll update you guys later. All right, so Lexicon DJ what is that software? So Lexicon is a subscription-based service for mirroring your libraries and editing them across various platforms. So Rekordbox, serato, virtual DJ, et cetera. Right, if you want to put something on a USB drive and bring it with you, instead of going through that whole process of organizing Serato playlists and converting them for you to be able to use it on a CDJ setup. I don't use CDJs yet, but I know that there's a whole conversion setup version setup.

Ilia: 19:27

So it's really cool because you can import your music library to edit your tracks and library within Lexicon DJ and then sync it back to the desired software.

Ilia: 19:32

So once your library is imported into Lexicon, you can head to the main track browser where you can see and listen to all of your imported tracks inside Lexicon DJ and you then have a view of the library and a spot to drop the tracks, to listen to each of them, while setting and removing cue points or hot cues and editing the beat grid.

Ilia: 20:01

If you right click on the track, there are many things you can do with it, such as generate cue points, discover new tracks, find tags and album art, write text to file and find mixable tracks. You can also add extra columns like key, bpm, energy color plays, comment, energy color plays, comment, year and many more, and organize it by each category. And when you first import your messy library into lexicon dj, it has two great features which will help you get set up right right away, and they're called smart fixes and genre genre cleanup. So there's just so much more to say uh about this incredible software. But we're just so much more to say uh about this incredible software, but we're just touching on it to generally, just just generally this episode.

Nino: 20:50

It doesn't use AI yet, but in the future probably will.

Ilia: 20:53

Yes and um. It's amazing, it's a quote unquote competitor. Um is is crate hackers. Now crate hackers um does leverage ai. It's not fully an ai software. It does leverage ai in some aspects of their music discovery and recommend recommendation features. Uh, and a breakdown of how they use ai. Is curated playlists. Um so, like crate hackers, analyzes data on popular songs and dj preferences to create those genre specific playlists.

Nino: 21:28

You've used that for picking songs on the fly.

Ilia: 21:32

Yeah, I have my own personal experience with CreateHackers and the AI CreateBuilder. They have that feature as well. It uses AI to recommend songs that would mix well with a track you provide exactly and that's the one that I'm talking to you about a lot and the song recommendations. When you search for a song, crate hacker suggests similar tracks that might be a good fit for your set, which was part of that exactly same setup. Um, I personally experienced lots of bugs and weird crashes with crate hackers. I still paid for the whole year because I believe it's an incredible software. It's potential right Insane, potential Insane and as a beginner DJ, especially when it just started For sure it helps organize your crates and gives you ideas for music.

Ilia: 22:31

And they have so much more.

Nino: 22:32

They have um curated playlists yeah, for weddings, for prom and specific what type of weddings. I can see that being very, very like helpful for new djs for sure. Yeah, like how?

Ilia: 22:39

how do you think this would have affected you all all those years ago? If I started off with that, yeah, I'd probably use create hackers as well do you think it would have made you, let's say, let's say, when you started you had access to that. That's, that's. I think that's a really good question. It would have. Would you be as great as you are today, or better?

Nino: 22:58

or worse, it would have gave me no, it would give me like a more of a um, like a head start to, to getting to know like songs but you'd be relying on something that does everything for you. That's the thing. I wouldn't want to rely on something like that, so would you?

Ilia: 23:15

be better or worse? You think probably worse. It's kind of like people who use a calculator, yeah, and people who just like were forced to not use a calculator and just do everything in their head right, right, like yeah, um, the way, the way you beat match by ear, the way you exactly just uh used like way, way older.

Nino: 23:34

Comparing to like that, it's like almost like looking at the waveforms and trying to match it as opposed to beat matching by ear.

Ilia: 23:41

It's almost the same thing yeah and um, I have a whole overview here on on what create hackers is for, and it's just. It's almost the same thing. Yeah and um, I have a whole overview here on on what create hackers is for, and it's just, it's incredible. It's great software, incredible. And I'm not sure if I have all those issues with create hackers because my laptop is older, but I also used it on my six thousand dollar desktop and it still had quite a few issues.

Ilia: 24:01

And again, it's such a complex software there's there's, maybe you just didn't know how to use it properly, maybe so, so, so it's not an official disclaimer, but I did experience some issues with it, but I'm still using it because it's incredible. Some online too, like issues as well that you were having so, yes, but you know what you got to support these resources nowadays because this is all going to help us, yeah, and a gun and also it can also work against us. But you know, you gotta be smart about how you use it right.

Nino: 24:30

Yeah, that was a while ago. It could have improved by then, I'm sure it did?

Ilia: 24:34

I'm sure it did. Uh, I also spoke to um, the developers of another software we're gonna uh speak about in just a moment, and they were saying how they're how they're working on improving and what they're going to do, and they kind of released information that wasn't online. I don't know why they took that risk. I'm just out of respect to them. I'm not going to say certain things uh here, just in case it's not released yet. But, um, yeah, I'm just reading on all the features of create hackers and it's incredible. You know what I'm going to. I'm just reading on all the features of CreateHackers and it's incredible. You know what. I'm going to share this.

Ilia: 25:07

I'm going to share this link so you guys can actually check it out, but it's very different from Lexicon DJ. Do you remember how? I wasn't sure what the differences were. Yeah, lexicon DJ is more to create that playlist, that organized playlist which you can move between software playlist. That organized playlist which you can move between software, um, and crate hackers, is more intuitive with finding the next track you should play, or a playlist you should uh like kind of, you know, add to your, to your uh, to your serato or record box, uh, crates, and again, it's not giving you the tracks, it just gives you the, the names, and it finds it within your library if you have it, or it shows you where you can purchase it. I mean, yes, how incredible is that it compares different.

Nino: 25:52

Uh, dj pulls I see yeah, different.

Ilia: 25:55

Different dj records, different versions of the song right sometimes it it recommended ridiculous, ridiculous options like, for I remember it was uh, I was playing, uh, beat it by michael jackson, I don't remember what was, I think. Oh, I think you couldn't find anything to recommend, right? I was just curious what it's going to recommend and there was zero results. Okay, some of them were really awful results, but keep in, this is AI and it's still in development. And I'm not speaking against CrateHackers. I'm just kind of letting you know what my experience was and hey, if I'm wrong about something or if things change, we're definitely going to update you. Still, I'm still using it and I recommend using it. We're not endorsed by anyone from create hackers, lexicon, dj or um, the next offer, we're going to speak about dj studio, but we we do want to make your life easier and so you got that one too right.

Ilia: 26:57

Dj studio yes, I did and, full disclaimer, I returned it, uh, not because it's bad, no, no, because it was not suiting my needs. So if you are and that's just one of many things you can do with it if you are somebody who likes to create those cool youtube videos, uh like hour long, or half an hour long at least, uh kind of playlists, and you're, and you're you like to edit it nicely in your iMovie or whatever simple software, this is that software on steroids. It has way more tools where you can transition the tracks in a really cool manner, has so many AI tools in it, but as a singularity AI where it doesn't need your input, it's nowhere near there.

Nino: 27:42

You still need to tweak it and put your own input.

Ilia: 27:45

I also try to give it the best, to tweak it and put your own input. I honestly tried to give it the best tracks where it would not require my input. It still required it because in the way it was transitioning, everything it was just messy. It made no sense. The timing, the timing, the many things. So you, as long as you have the time to actually set it up correctly, it will do a lot of cool things for you. But as, hey, I want to have a software does everything for me so I don't have to practice before the gig, cause it's just you throw all the tracks in there and does it for you. It's not there yet, nowhere near there. A lot of people speak about it online on how it can do it for you. There is a famous DJ who reviewed, who reviewed that, um, that software and made me think that that's what it does. And I was just curious. Right, it was again many months ago when I when I was just really nervous on my first gigs and I thought, hey, I'll use this as a crutch if anything goes wrong or something, so you never know it might be better now it's for sure better now I

Ilia: 28:41

spoke to them and it was incredible what they were working on. Again, I'm not gonna get get into details, but uh, uh, it's. It's just you have to be supportive of um of these companies, of these developers, because be realistic, this is extremely new technology. As a consumer, it's so confusing. Imagine, imagine as somebody is actually creating and building it right.

Ilia: 29:09

And yeah, dj Studio uses an AI module. It's an AI-powered DJ mixing app that offers features like automatic song recommendations, beat matching and seamless transitions. Now, that's what it says online, but I wouldn't say it's seamless. But yeah, it definitely offers a lot of different features for the AI DJ out there, somebody who wants to use some sort of software to help them make things more interesting or just help them out with this process of learning how to become a DJ. So everything is pointing to AI taking over not just the DJ industry, but pretty much any other industry. But I think we can learn to live with it. Yeah, yeah, I think we can be smart and learn to live with it. I think we have time. Smart and learn to live.

Nino: 30:05

Learn to live with it I think we have time before it takes to take over. Totally remember um. Have you seen back to the future? Yes, many, many years ago. Do you? Do you remember that? Um, that time, when the cars are supposed to be flying, it was supposed to be two to two, 2021, I think, or 2022 that was the year. I don't remember that year and it's pretty much, and and it's pretty much, yeah, it's, it's look at, look at it pull the simpsons, and they knew what was gonna happen.

Ilia: 30:34

We're not even close, so we know they're already, uh, flying cars, like models like of cars that are flying I not like you, you know 100 feet in the sky, but it's you know. It's like there were a few articles I already read about somewhere in Asia they're trying to, yeah, they have like prototypes For sure, for sure. I'm sure they've had prototypes for a while, right, but yeah, so I guess the norm is probably going to be at least that's going to take a while still, yeah, and then.

Nino: 31:08

And then it's the airways how, how they're going to develop like, how the way where it's going to go? And then, of course, traffic control. Traffic control, people. Things are going to fall down. What if there's an accident in the air and then debris falls down on us? It's going to kill someone, literally drop on someone's head right.

Ilia: 31:26

Can you imagine, like all the infrastructure, everything they'll have to build? So it's, it's not even a technology that's so far away, it's how to deal with it. It's the roads they'll have to build, or, like the, the, the air space they'll have to designate.

Nino: 31:44

It's all the rules, all the legislation that that's take, that will take a long time, yeah, and then the laws around that too is going to be crazy. Yeah so, man, yeah so we're gonna. Um, so we're gonna keep going with some with some questions now yes.

Ilia: 32:00

so what are some potential? What are some potential benefits of AI for DJs and music producers? Well, of course, I want to hear your point.

Nino: 32:10

The benefits for DJs obviously is stem separation now. Now you can actually separate each part of the song, like the drums, the bass, melody, melody and the music. So it makes it very seamless if you're trying to mix songs right, and that's what eqing we went. When we used to dj, eqing was very, very big because you want everything to sound really, really nice. You don't. People say that eqing now is dead because of stem separation, and that's amazing. That's like what we dreamed of as DJs that this technology has taken it to the next level.

Ilia: 32:54

So what about acapellas? Are they?

Nino: 32:57

still necessary Technically? No, you can just make them on the spot now.

Ilia: 33:00

Right, I mean stems are not where they should be still.

Nino: 33:05

Exactly. It's not really there yet, but it's getting better. Right, it's, it's. It's almost there, it's almost there and it's just gonna get better and better as as as the years go by. Record box get on it, yeah, record, yeah.

Ilia: 33:20

Virtual dj and serato are virtual dj did it first right or one of the first. They were one of the first ones to do it, and I think theirs is actually even better than serato, am I? I right?

Nino: 33:31

I think Serato is caught up. And that's the thing, man, serato. It took them a while to come, to get into the industry, but they came out with a bang.

Ilia: 33:41

I really want to get the FLX10, and because it's Rekordbox, I think it works with Serato too. But most of the features work with Rekordbox it does. It was intended to be used with record box, right? Yeah, because of the stem issues with record box, I'm not. I'm not getting that controller. That's the only reason why I'm not getting it. And you know what, if anyone out there disagrees with me, please let me know why you should get it anyway. But it's been a couple years now and there's no end in sight in terms of the uh um, ridiculousness of all the issues with the stems.

Nino: 34:18

I think that's the one with the volume control and the control. You can control each stem.

Ilia: 34:25

That one has literally the hardware for it. Yes, and the thing is, rekordbox 7 is out and they did some incredible things, but they completely did not touch on anything to do with stems. From what I understand, from what I've seen, um, and I remember somebody said, somebody said on reddit they wish, they wish, and I'm kind of with them with that. It's not a very smart, smart business, uh move. But uh, he says, uh, he wishes that there was like a, uh, he wishes that there was like a kind of like an open source, um, ai or a stem stem module, yeah, that all the companies can share, yeah, and improve upon. But that's kind of not very, very viable yeah, it's not really good business model.

Nino: 35:10

Yeah, for real, for real so for for producers now, um, it's it. It just enhances everything too, like the producers can actually use stems as well to for acapellas and stuff. But you can enhance, uh, certain um sounds with with ai it can. It can replicate, like artists like different, like artists like, just as long as as they're online, an artist like speaks, it can replicate it exactly and they use it for songs. Now I'm like they created.

Ilia: 35:45

Who was the? The artist? Who, uh, who was the? It was a dj thing. Who, yes, yes, who created it was a dj thing.

Nino: 35:58

Who, yes, yes, who created um a track with eminem on it, which eminem did not actually? No, he didn't, but they used his voice. Yeah, that's mind-blowing right, and you can literally use anybody's voice just as long as you have access to their voice, so you kind of like it has to be integrated into, into a certain kind of um system.

Ilia: 36:14

A friend of mine actually showed me how to use it. You can't use everyone's voice. It has to be kind of loaded into some sort of api or something. But uh, I believe I'm using the right word, but pretty much everyone's available. You can manipulate it.

Nino: 36:29

Biggie smalls was on there. Yeah, man, man, it's crazy how they can do that man and it sounds very, very real.

Ilia: 36:35

Some of them are still. You can tell that's AI.

Nino: 36:38

Yeah, yeah, it's not processed well, sometimes like who's the founder of Tesla? Again Elon Musk. Elon Musk, right? Sometimes he's doing like infomercials and talking I'm going to make you rich. I'm like what the heck Is. Like infomercials and talking I'm gonna make you rich.

Ilia: 37:01

I'm like what the heck is that really? Elon musk, you can tell it's an it's ai right, but it's his voice.

Nino: 37:03

These are bad, bad commercial.

Ilia: 37:04

They're really really bad, so fake right. But who's gonna?

Nino: 37:05

believe that just the fact that they can recreate their voice is is mind-blowing, right voice video yeah, lips moving, lips moving and it looks real, it's, it's well. It's still not there, but it's gonna get better and better as as it go along, can you?

Ilia: 37:20

imagine if it's there right now, but the thing is we're evolving with it, right so it's not like we came from a certain time and just like dropped through a portal into this ai 10 years from now. So we're seeing it evolve like we're gonna be able to counter the the things with fear. Yeah, right now we don't know that's the solution to or what. What kind of measures will be put in place.

Nino: 37:44

But yeah, we have a few questions are kind of touching on that right, yeah, so when it comes to producing too, if you have like, um, like, if you have a like a wedding with old recordings and stuff, um, ai can bring the recordings back to life too as well. I think we touched on this earlier, but it can. It can literally bring it like the clarity and the, the, the, what is it? The voice, the tonality back. The voice, the tonality back.

Ilia: 38:14

I actually have a software that I'm using that cleans the sound of a recording. So let's say you're in an auditorium and the professor is talking Maybe you're a private investigator Isolates, yeah, and you need to hear someone's voice. Yes, now there's an actual PI software out there that's meant for that. That's way more in depth, but for other purposes. The software I'm using is incredible. I don't know how it figures out which part I actually want to isolate. I mean, I guess it makes sense for it. Frequency, like certain frequencies, for sure. It's incredible how much cleaner everything is, things that you could never hear in the recording. Yes, whispers, yes, and for the most part it does.

Ilia: 39:01

It does a pretty good job yeah it's incredible and that's just a very cheap software right now, um, and it's just incredible, like, how well it does it. Yeah, the clean and every cleaning of everything, even video ai editing. It knows how to edit your own video for you. No, yeah, it does. I never used it, uh, in like a large capacity yet, like I never really like edited a full video with it. Yeah, but I saw how it works and tried small videos. It's absolutely incredible, absolutely incredible. So, on the other hand, what are the potential drawbacks or challenges, um of uh like associated with integration of ai and djing in your opinion?

Ilia: 39:45

drawbacks I guess we spoke about it already um, but the fact that people djs might not have as much work, but I don't think that's gonna happen no, not for a long time, I think and it's gonna be the same group that's not hiring us right now anyway, because they want to save money, and, oh well, I can just put it on the spotify playlist or something like that yeah especially with the new uh feature spotify has now and you know how it like allows you to seamlessly transition between tracks. It has that cool fade in fade out and music selection.

Nino: 40:19

it can pick the right tracks for you in the right order, and stuff like that.

Ilia: 40:22

But there's no entertainer, there's no somebody who livens up the crowd.

Nino: 40:27

That human touch right that computers don't have right now. So that's still pretty far, far off in our opinion. So how do you see AI shaping the future of DJing and live performances? I think this goes like for live performances the music we can always it's going to help us, like, pick songs on the fly actually let me.

Ilia: 40:57

Let me ask you that because you're asking yourself a question then you're answering yeah, that's fine, all right. Three, two, one, okay. So how do you see ai shaping the future of djing and live performances?

Nino: 41:09

so music and track selection, mood holograms, uh, you know the stuff we actually were talking about, uh, like less than half an hour ago yeah, so, so with in terms of music, it will help you, like pick the certain songs in a certain order in in uh mood as well. So it, depending uh on the feel of the actual room, it'll pick all that stuff out for you. It just makes everything so much seamless and easier and makes your life as a dj like just just way better and it just enhances it.

Ilia: 41:41

It's especially good for beginners because it helps them literally a lot of the stuff is theoretical, though, right, a lot of these things that we're talking about are just hey, this is what is going to happen. We don't know how much it's going to cost. Probably only the only people who will have access to it, who will have access to it in the beginning, will be large corporations or large businesses.

Nino: 42:06

It's not going to be available to the regular consumer, not yet, and it's going to be very expensive too when it first comes out. Exactly so.

Ilia: 42:13

I don't think there's much to worry about. I think it's actually going to improve the way clubs work and everything like that. I don't think it's going to completely take away the job of a DJ. I think it's going to actually assist the DJ. That's just what I think as somebody who's been only doing this for a couple of years.

Nino: 42:30

I think clubs and bars are the first ones who are going to jump on on ai, especially when you start reading crowds and stuff. Right, wedding djs, mobile djs it's a different, um, different animal. We still have to carry and lug equipment and we still have to mc and that personal touch, right. So we're good, we're safe for now, but with when it comes to just playing bars and stuff, instead of playing like they can play a spotify playlist, right, but when it comes to music selection, like I've I've actually seen a bar that just plays music, like with spotify, and people are dancing with, uh, with the actual music and it's mixing too as well. Yeah, so it's. It was, it was cool to actually watch it's very basic mixing.

Nino: 43:19

It's still basic, but it chose the right songs for the, for the actual yeah.

Ilia: 43:24

So it's incredible, it's cool I think one of the main things we're gonna see when it comes to, uh, ai being integrated on such a level. Again, a lot of this is theoretical things. We've probably been talking about rumors and assumptions, speculations, whatever. Right. Is this going to be the battle of AI? Who has the best AI, who has the best module, who has the best software and, you know, hardware, or this club or that club? Yes, maybe there's going to be some sort of legislation about, like, who can use what? Yeah, right, everything. Every time there's a big piece of like technology comes, it comes out, there's legislation around it to kind of keep the standards and and make sure there's no chaos, right, yeah, yeah, and who do you think is going to have access to it? First, the government, military? Oh, of course. Of course, I'm sure they're not going to be using it for dj gigs, but yeah in terms of like hologram, I think.

Nino: 44:18

I think, when it comes to like emceeing and stuff, you know how sometimes celebrities can't make it to certain, uh, parties or events. They're gonna use a hologram to to get them to host and and do stuff. And so do you actually do this already? Yeah, in certain, certain parties and stuff.

Ilia: 44:37

Coachella was, uh was doing holograms. Yeah, he did yeah for kanye.

Nino: 44:42

I think, yeah, I think they did.

Ilia: 44:43

I was like wow so and and maybe, maybe, maybe it's like you know, it's from a perspective of somebody who's just being introduced to AI and maybe, like the kids in 20 years from now, will look at what I'm saying right now and say, oh, he just doesn't get it. But I don't think I would want to go and watch a hologram.

Ilia: 45:14

Yeah, I don't think I would want to go and watch a hologram instead of the actual person I came to see. What about meet and greet, right Like, now you can't even do that. Are you going to tell me I'm going to sit in front of a hologram and talk to the hologram and kind of like, try to put my arm around the hologram and take a photo Exactly Still missing that element, anyway, hologram, and take a photo exactly still missing that um element? Anyway, a lot of it is uh pointless to talk about. Uh, lots of speculations. It's just like it's just a fun topic to kind of dissect. Um, and I guess we again this is something we also spoke about uh, but let's, let's delve into it a bit more.

Ilia: 45:49

But can ai completely replace human djs or will there always be a need for human creativity and intuition in music curation and mixing? Uh and like, like we said, I think there will always be that need. There will, at least for the next couple decades. Yeah, at least for the next decade. I don't know, maybe in 20 years from now things will change. 20 years from now things will change.

Nino: 46:13

It might get really really good Like yeah, you never know, it's scary to think about that. It is scary, but I think we're safe for a couple of decades. I can still be a DJ, you can still be.

Ilia: 46:25

I can still be a DJ, I can still enjoy this business as it was intended to be over the last, what? 15, 20 years? Yeah, it's uh. Could you maybe right now, if I put you on the spot, could you remember, uh, something as big as AI changing since when you started DJing up until today, off the top of your head? Maybe later, after the podcast, you'll be like, oh shoot, I should have said that, but do you remember anything being that big?

Nino: 47:04

oh, the internet. Okay, that's actually pretty big. The internet back back in the day, yeah, dial-up internet, now it's just like full-blown 5G now. Yeah, it's just amazing to see the technology how it evolves.

Ilia: 47:24

Hotspots. If there's no Wi-Fi, yeah Right. You literally carry a router with you pretty much anywhere you go.

Nino: 47:29

Yeah, so it's incredible. It's incredible to see all this innovation you go yeah.

Ilia: 47:34

So it's incredible. It's incredible to see all this and it's this innovation. When was the um, uh, the whole transition from analog to digital? When was that? That was way before your time, probably. Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure. What year was that? Oh, I can't see, but that was at least at least no more than five years before. Way more five, five years. Yeah, your, that was not one of the first controllers, right? No?

Nino: 47:54

no, even though it looks ancient, many more than that I can't say Like early 2000s probably.

Ilia: 48:03

And I can only imagine that the biggest concerns back then, when internet became such a standard in every household and everything, is that, oh, people are going to be able to get the songs themselves. Oh, now, the records don't matter, you can get it wherever you want. Or with the pirate king back then, limer yeah, so many other softwares like that were just like enabling you to get everything illegally. So so I mean, we got over that pretty well, and while people are still, you know, doing things they're not supposed to be doing, the industry is still okay, it's still flourishing. Yeah, ai is going to be really like. It's a huge change. I don't think there was ever anything like this.

Nino: 48:47

No, no Right, but this is the next evolutionary step.

Ilia: 48:51

It's going to be interesting kind of living through this milestone, technology milestone. So, wow, this was a really fun episode to plan and record. Lots of things we discussed here were they required quite a bit of research and we just wanted to kind of touch the surface on some topics because we really really wanted to speak about ai already really really bad. Yes, it's been like half a year and we're like you know what, let's do some research and then every time it changes. Yeah, but it was fun, I enjoyed it.

Nino: 49:28

We're definitely gonna do like a more in-depth episode and by that time there'll be more changes for sure so something we said which was incorrect, we're gonna, we're gonna correct ourselves.

Ilia: 49:38

That's part of the reason why we have all these other uh resources the, the website, you know, stuff where we can actually update you guys in between episodes. And yeah, so, once again, we are so happy to officially announce our uh youtube and uh tiktok channels. I love that button, I love that button. It just you know, I'm just so happy we can finally do that. It's been half a year, so I'm happy. There we go. But, for real, we're very happy to officially announce our YouTube and TikTok channels as well.

Ilia: 50:32

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