30 | Matt Slap | 5G, The Occult, and Time Travel | "I could Tell You But Are You Gonna Believe Me"

The episode takes an artistic turn as returning guest Matt Slap opens up about his journey from an art school dropout to a successful entrepreneur with his company, "Slap Ass Creations." We explore the challenges and triumphs he's encountered, the tools and setup of his studio, and how real-life poses and extensive research fuel his creative process.  We ponder over the collective imagination and whether our ideas are truly unique or drawn from a shared universal knowledge.

We don't stop there. Prepare to have your mind expanded as we delve into the realms of technology, mind control, and the potential impacts of 5G, all framed within David Icke's theories. Touching on influential figures like Aleister Crowley and exploring the intersections of spirituality and science through film, this episode promises to leave you questioning the very fabric of reality. With rich insights into the power of perception and artistic creativity, this episode truly has "Chill Vibes".

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved. Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:14

It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show. It's obvious the aliens are god-fearing, insanely huge, or just one planet, they would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt this is real.

Matt Slap: 0:45

They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

Matt Slap: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The bulldog ball. I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh, in the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast returning guest artist researcher.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19

Conspiracy and Chill Podcast Returning guest artist researcher. He is the amazing artist responsible for our artwork that gets complimented nearly every single podcast we do. Of course, we're talking about the one and only Mr Matt. Motherfucking. Slap. What's going on, dude?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:41

Nothing much.

Matt Slap: 1:42

Just hanging out About to have a great conversation, just like last time.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:47

Oh yeah, it's funny. I sent it to a couple of my homeboys and they were like man, it just sounds like a conversation that we always have. I'm like yeah.

Matt Slap: 1:56

It's always chill vibes here.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:58

Oh yeah, Absolutely.

Matt Slap: 1:59

And deep dives.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:02

Pumped that everybody likes the logo.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:04

Oh, dude, pumped that. Everybody likes the logo. Oh dude, yeah, it's uh. Are you familiar with the uh cult of conspiracy?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:11

guys, the podcast that they do? Is that the ones?

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:12

uh, you just had them on yeah, yeah, we did like a swap cast with them. They're pretty big in the uh, in the genre and yeah, they, yeah, they just fucking were googling all over their uh, all over our artwork. We're like, yeah, dude, this dude matt did it. He's fucking amazing we're having back on and, yeah, dude, we love it. We couldn't be more happier with it, dude I'm pumped, I mean right away.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:34

That's the thing is like as an artist, like when you send something off it's like, well, I'm really cool with this, but how are you know the client's gonna be? Luckily I haven't had too many clients over the years where it's just revision after revision after revision, when I can get like oh, yep this is perfect. No, nothing, I'm like awesome.

Matt Slap: 2:58

Hell yeah, dude. I think it impacted our growth as a show too. Just having a sick picture, it goes along with that. You're already a guest, so you knew the vibe of the show oh, yeah, yeah I really enjoyed that episode you had the uh that podcast on.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:14

They were talking about a bunch of books that I've read, um, that philip cooper dude and whatnot, and they were totally right on him. A lot of his books focus on just guided meditation. I mean, that's all ritual is? It's a focused meditation of what are you going to do with your mind, what do you want? What do you want to achieve? How much energy do you want to put towards it? How are you going to accomplish something?

Matt Slap: 3:39

When you do some of your paintings or sculptures or drawings, how does it come about in your head? I've always I mean, I'm not that good at drawing, but I do enjoy doing it but I always wanted to know other people's thought process. Do you like see the picture in your head, or it kind of evolves as you're drawing it, or what? Good question.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:57

Well, the initial idea in my head. You know, you start just drawing shapes and filling. You look at the, the, your plane, and then you start filling in that plane of objects, of however you want it, and you want to make it move and flow in that space and and make it visually pleasing and catch people's attention. So usually it just starts off with all right, well, I kind of want to do doing this, and then I start researching poses or take pictures of friends or be like hey hold on, hold this and do this and just stuff like that, or and I like to call that doing your homework.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:38

You know, like you got to do your homework, you got to go research, look at pictures, a ton of pictures, until you find something you're like okay, cool, I, I've got enough to to grasp where I'm gonna turn it into my own yeah, there's no limit on growing as an artist or like directions.

Matt Slap: 4:55

You could take it in and stuff like that. It's pretty sweet and you play guitar too, you know. Have you ever thought about making a comic book?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:04

because I can picture your art in a badass comic I want to do a cartoon show, and I've always wanted to do a cartoon show and it's funny too, because, like I was in art school from like 2004 to 2006 and I I dropped out, I left I was on academic probation, I went to Japan this is how the story of slap ass came about was I didn't want to do I was failing math, I was failing shit that I was like I don't need to know this shit to animate, like I don't the math that I had to do. I was like no, I don't want to do this. And then I was on academic probation. I was kind of like in that weird limbo, like what are you going to do? You're going to go to school, what do you want to do? It's like I kind of want to start this company. And at the time it was like I want to make a skateboard company.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:56

And then my brother got married. We went to Japan for his wedding and I was talking with my whole family and I remember we were sitting in this boat in like a fishing boat that was. They built around so like everybody's sitting in this fishing boat, that they turned into a table like cool area, and I was pitching this idea to my dad, my uncle, about, um, you know, oh, I want to start this company called slap ass and I want to be, you know, a shirt company or like skateboard clothing company. And then I just kind of explained what I want to be. You know, a shirt company or like skateboard clothing company. And then I just kind of explained what I wanted to do, told my dad, told my or told my uncle.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:30

And then, like the next morning, in the hotel lobby, he's like man, I couldn't go to sleep last night. He gave me like three pages of things. He's like, yeah, but it doesn't sound like a clothing company, it sounds like more of an art company. You should add creations to it. And I was like you're right, let's do that. And and then, um, I came back to the states and was like cool, I'm not going back to art school, I'm just going to work full time and I'm going to save money for my first batch of shirts and just kind of go from there and then that's it. And then I started making it and doing you know, getting my own press and doing all that kind of stuff. And uh, you know it's still out of my garage. It's always been in some sort of garage. I'm just in my third garage now, so you're in a garage right now right now I'm in

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:16

my basement gotcha where my press and all like you can get dirty and spray paint and do all that kind of stuff. But the basement's like the studio studio area where you know you can do dirty and spray paint and do all that kind of stuff. But the basement's like the studio studio area where you know you can do digital art here in the computer station, go back here, draw, set up different camera angles for different video, time-lapse videos, art and whatnot. So I'm going to be doing a lot more of that and yeah, love it, man.

Matt Slap: 7:46

Mike, what do you think is your? Well, I already know before I was gonna answer it photography and videography. But what else do you draw? Do you fuck with any instruments ever?

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:54

um no, I uh I remember you said bass yeah, when I was like seventh, eighth grade, which was a long long time ago, um, yeah, I had an ibanez. I'm left-handed, so I had an ibanez, a left-handed five string. I think it was a, um, like an sg 350 or something like that. I forget how, how, what it was, but uh, yeah, I fucked around with that for a couple of years. I thought I was gonna be, you know, in a fucking metal band, but, um, yeah, I gave that up pretty quickly.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:23

So, yeah, I'm always fascinated with the artistic process, though, because I fancy myself an artist and, like you said, photography, videography, but uh, never been good with, like, drawing or anything. And obviously I like tattoos and I've always been fascinated by that whole process. You know, like, whenever, whenever I go to get a tattoo, I'm always like, okay, this is what I want, but like, you do everything, like whatever you think is gonna look good, you do, you're the expert, and I always just let him go because I think that's, that's, you gotta let them create, you know oh yeah, that did that with.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:57

So, like my one, my one arm is all. This is my idea, but I want you to do it your way and then the other arm is all mine, like I drew the whole thing and they just they stuck it Pretty sick.

Matt Slap: 9:16

I mean, artists are always weirdos, so I don't know, do you feel like? Do you guys feel like ideas are individual or unique? Are we literally just like pulling something out of a collective, like net, and it's like all right, because sometimes you think of something and then shortly later like that thing is relevant or that thing is out there, whether it's like a invention or an idea or just like a phrase or something? Do you think anything that we create or come up with is truly like 100% unique? Are we just pulling from some other realm, like what is imagination?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:44

I guess is what I'm trying to speculate I think it's a little bit of both, right, because, like, you get inspired, right, oh my gosh, this made me feel something and I'm inspired to make more or do something. And then you got the ones that from the inspiration, you gain understanding and a deeper, profane knowledge of what it is, and then you can tell a story, allegorically, through whatever it is that is going on within you. So I think it's a little bit of both, of, like, you know, if you can use your imagination and think it, you can do it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:23

You know, and that's like, that's one of the most important things about the human mind is the imagination, and that's why they're always trying to kill the imagination and that's why they're always trying to just keep people in that cube and discourage any possibility of thinking outside of that cube, because that out there they can't contain. You know, once you, once you do that, then it becomes something even more contagious and sparks even more imagination to um, a wider variety, and it's an expansive growth. It's the force of love, right, it's a, it's contagious, it's expansive, it blows up. You know, the, the people that want to keep you in the cube, is that, um, that involutionary force that wants to just crush you and break you down to very small pieces until it's nothing yeah, I, I agree, I think it's a little bit of both too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:24

I think the younger me would have said the majority of it is probably, you know, individual ideas and thoughts. But the older I get, man, I just see too many instances of like you said, tom, I have an idea or I think of something and then fucking boom, it's there, it it's in reality and there's just been too many times that I've witnessed that, whether it be for me or by proxy, you know with somebody that there has to be some kind of common collective intelligence, like a mental internet. You know, if you will, I believe edward casey, the famous uh prophet, he essentially said that as much, that there was kind of this internet of collectiveness that he was tapping into to get this knowledge. So there's got to be something to it, man.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:14

It's funny that you bring that up, because I was just reading this David Icke book and he talks about the creation and I highlighted this before that I came on here and we just ended up starting to talk about the imagination. But once we grasp the nature of the all possibility and the infinite imagination in the fullness of its meaning, and all paradox disappears. Infinite awareness is not energy but produces energy as an imagination of the all possibility, creation of infinite imagination and the imaginations of its imagination can manifest as the realms of what we call energy, frequency and vibration. The further these imagined, uh, creations themselves create and become detached from a state of infinite awareness, his awareness of itself, the more they fall into ever lower frequencies and so states of illusion. So I just read that before and I highlighted it and you started talking about the imagination. I'm like, well, that's funny, ain't it?

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:26

it's one of those instances. It's just, you know like, come on, man, it's just, it's too fucking, it's too much.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:32

David ike, I love, I love me, some david ike man well, and you know I think people get caught up on his reptilian stuff, but like he really, I mean the stuff that he talks about in his book is more than that. It's like this you got to read his stuff to understand what he's talking about coming outside of a different uh frequency band that is existing at the same time as as us right so for anybody to be like, wow, I don't understand that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:03

That's not possible. It's like well, you have to have a proper foundation to understand this stuff and most people are are kept in.

Matt Slap: 14:14

Well, no, it's just in the movies none of the guys books are less than like 500 pages too. So, yeah, it'd be funny if he was literally just like right, I have one too. It's fucking the fattest book I've ever owned.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:26

What is it it's got to be? It's like this is a 700 page book, exactly.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:31

It's like the stand from Stephen King. They're a reptilian.

Matt Slap: 14:33

This person's a reptilian, that person's a reptilian. It would be a pamphlet, but yeah, it's some dense reads for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:45

Well, well, and then they he goes into like all the different religions and the similarities and where these all come from and that, like one religion is just one regurgitation of this religion and all that. But then when you go to the core of all those religions, they all started from a fucking cult, they all did and it's all cult, cult, operated like cult shit. And people are like no, that's not how it is.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:04

It's like, well, maybe you should learn about what a cult is, a cult, not a cult and then you can learn about the occult yeah hand in hand, one of the things that we wanted to talk about on this episode is something that david eich, that David Icke, really opened my eyes to, and that is the 5G stuff. Have you heard David Icke or read anything of David Icke about the 5G stuff?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:33

not so much on the 5G, I just remember him talking about how the operation system works. You know, with how we work is like how like a computer would work and like how wifi works, cause most people don't understand how wifi and radiation and how this all this stuff works. And David Icke also talks about about how information energy is just information and it's just all around us. And it's like you got the Wi-Fi that's everywhere, right, and it's decoding, it's sending all this information through radiation, right, the Wi-Fi radiation is going through and then it's going to your processor, into your computer and getting decoded and then put onto your screen and then, boom, boom, here's your picture. And it's right, it's magic, right. People? They're like, oh, these are magical devices.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:31

I'm just like, well, it's science which the unknown of might seem like magic. But yeah, it's, it's the form of magic, it's a new technology, it's this and that, but like you don't. You use it every day but you don't know how, how it works, how this all works. And then when you realize that, like all of these different um radiation and all this other stuff that's going around in our reality field on an unseen level because our eyes can't perceive it, it's like it's not happening right. So, like, if you can manipulate the field, like you can manipulate a computer, you can hack into a computer. What makes you think you can't hack into people?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:14

You know, and that's what these 5g towers and all this other stuff is doing is, and it and there's a patent and you, anybody can go and look it up that it's all for mind manipulation, thought transference. And they just came out in canada. They had what the prime minister or not the prime minister or some I saw some government thing and they were talking about that. These technologies are real, about all these people having thoughts, crazy thoughts that aren't theirs, and all these different things being put into their head and they're just being harassed. Well, now they're admitting it, and before it was just a theory and now it's proven and we're gritted everywhere with it voice to skull technology.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:01

Yeah, exactly, you know who else is really good for all of this stuff is this author. Her name's alana freeland um and her last book came out, I think, 2021, and it's called geoengineering uh, genet, geoengineered transhumanism how the environment has been weaponized by chemicals, electromagnetism and nanotechnology for the synthetic biology. It's another thick one, but they go into all the technologies and this is the third book of a series of I mean, all of the books are just talking about, like harp um, you name it all these technologies with all the chem trails, everything that they're they're just weaponizing and ionizing our, our sky, which I read. This other book in 2020. It's called the, the invisible rainbow, by arthur burstenberg. This is like this is the history of electricity and life on this planet, and they talk about all these these different things and there was, like they were saying that we've had six to seven different rollouts of technologies that have had.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:20

While they got rolled out, then a pandemic happened, like because and they say it's an Asian flu flu or it's a Hong Kong flu, or all this stuff, but it's really the radiation poisoning. It's all this stuff that is messing with us. Like they said here. The first one 1889, power line harmonic radiation begun that same year. Pandemic of influenza in 1889. 1918 the radio era began, which was the Spanish flu. 1957 radar came out, came out, the Asian flu pandemic happened 1968. Uh, satellite era. They started doing all that. Hong Kong flu pandemic 1968. Five and six were all wireless era slash harp.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:16

And then this book that I read didn't even have 5G in it because it 5G got rolled out so, like I saw an interview of that author, he's like, he's like, yeah, I put published this book and then they roll out 5g. It's like they had to make another book. Yep, but yeah, that people don't realize the soup that is around us that has an effect on us, you know, on the multitude of the fake food, all the processed foods that we're eating, everything that we're putting in. You know, it's like they're trying to change this environment internally, externally, which I also have a theory that they're changing this environment so these new things can take form in the environment, which you know. Transhumanism, then, bringing these things from into possessing people to being like homunculus yeah, no, I think that's part of the npc army basically yeah, like I forget, there was this one movie that came out in like 2018, 2017, 2018.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:26

It's called Necro-something and it's all about like they're putting all these black boxes up. It's a New Zealand film, new Zealand, like horror comedy, and they're putting all these black boxes everywhere and everybody's got these apps on their phone and the whole app is like people are getting possessed and you got to go find them and it's kind of like Pokemon Go but like with this thing. But then all of a sudden, people start getting possessed by these demons and like crazy stuff started happening and it became like this whole, you know, like the whole movie ended up turning into like these people running into a brigade of people that are on this fight against the satanic horror movie shit, just trying to save somebody.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:12

You are obviously very well researched. What is your best guess?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:28

observed and what I've read um, just traveling the us, it's, you got your 5g towers in a grid, going straight down a road, like going down the highways, all right, like, however, so ever, however often they are, there's a shitload of them and they always come in a pair of three, or like two here and then, like a little bit down, there's one more, but then if you raise yourself up and you see this, they're all in a grid. You know we're in this like fence, and this technological grid is happening all around us, like if people don't even know it, because they can't even see it, they're not even looking.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:05

They're like blinders, like yeah, oh, the phone you know like they, instead of looking up and being like, well, what is this shit and why do I see so many of these fucking towers? What's what's going on here? And I think it is um a part of manipulation. You know, because everybody, there's so much mind control going on um just within our media. So you were talking about like you guys are in your last not your last podcast, but the one where you're talking about like um psyops, and I'm also reading this book called mind war, and it's by michael aquino. Are you guys familiar with who michael aquino is?

Matt Slap: 23:48

I don't think so that's a satanic guy in the army, or whatever. Yes, yes um 100.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:55

So in here this whole book is all about the psychology of controlling the masses and it's called mind war because they talk about, like, moving groups of people and without having to use physical war. And it's fascinating because you know, you read this stuff and and it's just like, well, yeah, this shit's fucking happening. But, like um, you guys were talking about psyops, and he gives definitions of to all this stuff because he said he helped coined all these terms. So psychological operations, which is your psyop? Uh is planned operations to convey selected information and indicate indicators to foreign audience to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning and ultimately, the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups and individuals. The purpose of psychological operation is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. And then you've got psychological warfare, which is a psy war. And he says here uh is the planned use of propaganda and other psychological actions to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes and belief and behaviors of hostile foreign groups in such a way as to support the achievement of a national objectives. And then you got propaganda, any form of communication in support of nations, objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes and behaviors of any group in order to benefit this, the, the sponsor, either directly or indirectly.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:52

So like this book is like. It blows my mind, because it's like they tell you they publish this stuff. It's the playbook and people don't you know they they keep people, like I was saying in our last short-minded the TikTok nation, it's now, now, now, don't look back. Now now, just keep going. Now, now, don't look back. Look here here here, here, here here. What Drink? Drink, drugs drink.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:15

Women women, women, base level things, yeah, and I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this book. Know if you guys have ever heard of this?

Matt Slap: 26:28

book um. It's called silent weapons for quiet wars.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:29

Nope, you've read this.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:29

I've never read it, but I've seen it referenced a lot so I these are all like random books that I like, two of them I'm reading and and a couple of them I just because I knew it was coming out. I'm like, all right, cool. These are some things that I heard you guys talk about and I wanted to bring up. But it's funny because the first page I opened up to was this was division, the primary strategy of everything. Always, you know, we want to disintegrate their minds, sabotage their mental activities by providing a low quality program of public education in the mathematics, logic systems, designs and the economics, by discouraging technical creativity. There's that imagination, yep again.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:20

Um. Two, emerging their uh, engaging, engaging their emotions, increasing their self-indulgence and their indulgence in emotional and physical activities. B unrelenting emotional affirmations and attacks, mental and emotional rape by way of a constant barrage of sex violence and war with media, especially the TV and the newspapers. B by giving them what they desire in excess, junk food for thought and depriving them of what they really need the public to the deviate creation, thus being able to shift their thinking from personal needs to highly fabricated outside priorities.

Matt Slap: 28:12

We're watching this shit, it's like you know, it's like the name of that book it's called silent weapons for quiet wars.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:20

Okay, it's a small little pamphlet book and it says in the beginning that, like you know, they don't really know where this came from. They found they found it in a copy machine, apparently. Um, and they said the guy, who, who they did pin it on. They said, oh, he was a criminal, and all this stuff happened and um, but then the guy's like I'm only went to jail because of this book. I only went to jail because these people didn't want, they wanted to make it really hard for me because they knew that I got all this information from all these different people, insiders, blah, blah, blah. But who knows, I mean, either way, even if majority of that stuff is bullshit, you could still pick up the nuggets of gold, you know? That's the thing is. You got to look at all this shit and then be like what do I? What do I do? Do I do I? Do I believe this?

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:13

or it's like, well, no, you gotta use your gut, you know in my mind, the fact that they went after him kind of adds you know, adds legitimacy to his claim. Right? I mean, yeah, totally yeah, they're not gonna come after you if, like, you know, that's what, that's what's so crazy about some of these, these uh denials with like secret projects and whatnot. It's like they go after some of these people so hard that it's like, if it is, if they're just like bart said, bart sabrell, if he's just a silly little guy that thinks we never landed on the moon, why do you guys come after him so hard?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:45

it's like, well, yeah, to me it just gives him credence yeah, oh, I love that episode that you had the dude that came on about, um, all the space landings, because I've seen that guy's videos and it's just like why are you guys getting so mad? Why, why would anybody get so mad?

Matt Slap: 30:03

truth does not fear investigation, that's for sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:06

Anytime you're not allowed to look into something, you should probably look into it yeah, that's when you should look into it the most right what's your favorite thing to uh to look into, because obviously you are knowledgeable on several different subjects uh, I mean, I like, I like all that stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:25

I like anything that has to do with, uh, magic. Um, I like supernatural stuff. Uh, I like the things that I've always liked horror movies, and the thing that really um got me was the unexplained, the unknown part of horror movies, like zombie movies, like a true zombie movie. I always get into arguments with people. True zombie movie is there's no explanation of how this happened, it just it's just happening and we don't know what's going on. Is it what's going on? It's like, well, that's the luster of the movie, you know, that's what gives it that, that magic, that's what gives it that like we don't know what's going on. Oh, it was the government. It's like, well, that's not a true zombie movie, that's a man-made crisis. True zombie movies has to do with what was? It has to do with the moon, does it have to do with this? You know, but then again, all zombie movies are political statements how so?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:18

well, like a lot of um george romero movies were, were based off of society, the whole thing of, I believe, was it Dust Till? What was that? The one where they're in Dawn of the Dead, when they're in the mall? That's all about consumerism, because everybody's trapped in a mall and they got all this material but they can't get out because they got all these people that I just want to eat their brains and eat them because they're consuming everything and they're and I know all of his movies have an underlying theme of what's going on in society and politically, whatnot.

Matt Slap: 31:59

That's just from reading interviews and being a nerd well, what if 5g gives us the NPC zombies that every movie's conditioned us for? And that's the ultimate side. 5g turns the truly most you know, the most nanotechnology-filled, the most highly vaccinated, the most sheepish of everyone into a zombie.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:22

It's already happening. I mean, we're watching zombies every fucking day, like I see it every day. I watch people in almost every angle of life.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:34

There's a phone right here and they're connected and like any time that I've gone out to breakfast, I sit down and I'm just like, like looking at people just sitting across from each other. They got food but both people are on their phones and I'm just like they got. They own people, they own people's minds. Because all this stuff is about data, right, because, like after, after starting to read this mind war book, that's all just going off of data and a. They know, they know the data of the, the human psyche, and then they can now track everybody. They don't need to chip everybody. Everybody's got a phone, everybody's being observed anyways, everybody.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:23

2020, everybody stayed inside and gave consented to give all their information away, just consuming, doing all this stuff, right, and then now they can forecast a movement. Now they can take an hegelian dialect and cybernetically forecast and in and cybernetically forecast and in infuse that into the, the masses and do it. I mean, look 2020, look at all the riots like that was crazy. Just watching that, I'm like, oh my god. And like once they can like take people and get them together, they can literally just it creates this egregore, it which becomes a life of its own and it's either gonna.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:13

It's either gonna consume you and you're gonna be, become part of this egregore, or you're going to be spit out, and that's why you don't want to go to a riot. That's why you don't want to go to, like, any kind of protest is because, like emotionally triggered boom, and then you're either spit out or you're, you're in it and you're and you're going, and then all of a sudden you're like what happened? What came over me? What's going on? It's like, well, I could tell you, but are you gonna believe me? It's like it's all occult information, it's all science of how we work and how they can hijack our minds, our energy and turn us into drones.

"$awbuck" Mike: 34:51

You know they're weakening us you know, they're weakening us, without a doubt in a in a classic sense of zombie. I always wondered okay, rabies is essentially making a dog a zombie right, that's what it is. So what if the rabies somehow mutated or jumped a human? That would pretty much make us zombies. I mean, that's what rabies is. It's incurable once it's, once it's taken over. You seek out like you become more violent and you can't hold water down. That's why you eventually die, because you, you, yeah, like you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:29

You, you are so thirsty and you want water, but your body physically can't take it it's it's, oh it's the scariest thing rabies, because there's no cure wow, yeah, and then you, no one you know, when you have to get all those shots in your gut, you get what?

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:45

three, three shots in your stomach, or something like that yeah, I think there's been one lady ever who survived having rabies and it was an experiment. It was recently and it was an experimental treatment where they they put her in a an induced coma so she could, I guess, suffer all of so her body basically was able to fight it off because they shut everything else down. That that's what they theorized anyway, but she's like the only person ever to survive, uh, having rabies. I mean, if you get treatment very shortly after, within like 24 hours, you'll be okay, but say you get bitten and then you go two weeks you're fucked.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:25

Yeah.

Matt Slap: 36:26

Scary.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:27

What do you?

Matt Slap: 36:27

think was the main psyops before we, because I know. Something else we wanted to talk about was time traveling and I was thinking, dude, I wish we could time travel, even not too far back, just to the fucking 90s and even the early 2000s or 2010s, where, like, cell phones were still a thing and shit you know, but it was like you could text, you could call, maybe you could go on some internet until your thing ran out and it was the slowest piece of shit ever. It wasn't like the phone was always in everyone's hand.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:53

Yeah, you'd be texting, but like it's, it's gone too far yeah, I mean, you know and and they call these smartphones right, but they're only as smart as the users everyone's yeah, and they're making everyone dumb yeah, well, I mean, I think you guys were talking about it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:10

it was just like I think you guys were talking about the tick tock thing and and how they don't even China doesn't even let the kids go on TikTok and if they do, they go on these apps that are like super smart and like teaching these kids actual things that are going to give you value in your life or have some use for it, rather than shaking your ass and being like, yeah, this is what I do.

Matt Slap: 37:37

How did this tie up us the most in previous generations? Cartoons and movies and sports, I guess.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:44

I wrote something down about. Hold on, I wrote, I took a note and you were talking about what, what I think, mike, you said what was? What do you think is the the greatest sigh up? And I think you guys were talking about uh, uh, religion, right?

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:58

yeah religion being and I think that's the for sure, the the biggest psyop.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:03

Because you know, I think the cults are. You know, once you get, once you can establish a cult under the sub guise of a religion, then you really got. Then you really got people, because you're just taking esoteric knowledge and you can sound really smart to somebody that doesn't get this shit. You know that and oh, what's going on? So like you can manipulate a bunch of people that are just gull bullshit and they're like, oh, he can save me, he can do this, you get people to start doing stuff for you. And then, oh, oh boy, the macro and the micro.

Matt Slap: 38:43

The types of people that like to call themselves the elite or you know. They're just very skilled in disciplines that were hidden from us and taken away from us and they can use it for nefarious means like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:58

They understand the mind, they understand astrology, they understand magic, they understand all this crazy shit that we haven't been allowed to you know, know about or understand, and they're tricky with how they outwit everybody in a way like David Icke was saying in this book about energy, and I think this is what he was saying within perceptions, equal frequency, frequencies we interact with in the quantum field, equal what we decode and make holographically manifest in as experienced reality, accidents happen. That's what everyone says, but in the quantum universe there are no such thing as accidents, only possibilities and probabilities folded into existence by perception.

Matt Slap: 39:47

I think we definitely have the power to make things come about, whether this is a computer program or that's just part of the mind's way of interacting with the world around us, and that's why they want to kill imagination.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:01

well, yeah, and especially if the masses had the imagination and and you know it goes it goes into what we were talking about last. The last episode was the artists and the people that are the most exploited and used. But if those were used in the correct way to actually uplift and help people become just as they are, as this is me, I'm an individual instead of I'm an icon and you need to be an influencer like me and you need to be me instead of being like hey, become the best that you can be and whatever it is that that is flowing within you. And if that became such a huge, a huge force, they wouldn't need to pervert everything, because everything, the truth of that which is would be, it would be understood. It wouldn't be what's your truth. It's not what is truth. What is truth? Because that that that essentially is that which is, that which was and that which will always be, and it's eternal.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:16

And if people got that, then they could probably understand, start to understand what creation is and how it powers. This whole matter, all of the matter here in this dense, slowed down plane of existence. If we sped up, we could walk through the walls and see different realities and different colors on an unbelievable spectrum, but everybody's stuck here in this tesseract, right, it's folding in on it, over on it on itself, and they want to control that and it's it's not, uh, it's not how it works, but that's uh, it's a lot of work. So it's like, if I can help people along that way to maybe gain some understanding, to level them up so they can keep climbing that ladder to become better, that's what I try to aim to do, because I'm doing that by myself, you know, by you know, on my own, through books and whatever experiences I get and people I meet, and I'm, I'm always getting inspired by uh, fans, anybody's, fans of my art, anybody I meet at a convention, anybody that's just like. They want to talk about this stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:36

It's, it's really surprising, like what we see and we surround ourselves with people that are like minded and want to like watch the show and hear about these ideas that we're talking about, and maybe they'll help us bring into higher ideas and better thinking and maybe inspire you to do the work and figure something else out so you can change the world too. You know, like, because if we don't change it through ourselves, it's not going to happen, because we're just mirrors here. We're just reflecting what's going on in here and trying to bring that vision of what we see here and what we feel here and what we pull down and pull in from all around us to to help you know that's.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:29

That's what I want to do here and and try to help expand and crush realities of what you think it was and what this place is and how it actually operates. That's what you call it.

Matt Slap: 43:46

Devastating system.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:48

Let me ask you guys there's been a ton of different people throughout the Internet age that have claimed to time travel and be time travelers. There's a couple of real famous ones, like John Titor what's? The other man from Torad is another one that was real popular Passport guy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:03

Yeah, that's not real. But yeah, doing some research for this episode on time travel came across some of these names. I wanted to know if either of you guys have heard of any of the famous quote-unquote time travelers of the internet age, or? Or I guess, and do you guys think time travel is possible?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:23

well, I I think if we can think it it is possible, and I think it's possible beyond our reality can fathom, but like it's probably simpler than we think, but we just I think there's people that have this knowledge, but I also think it's one of those things that could make reality like fold in on itself. You know, it's like it, especially if you've seen that movie event horizon is like they intentionally well what they do, they bet space, but then they ended up going into hell. So I guess it it isn't really so much time travel, but it's more of bending the space in that movie, but like still like butterfly effect and that was just like that was essentially time travel. It's like a it's like a marvel.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:14

What if movie?

Matt Slap: 45:17

it is a trippy paradox, I mean. I think it's. I've seen things on why it could be theoretically possible or maybe like examples of things like that happening. Or yeah, you slip into a different reality. Or people say, maybe time isn't just linear from past, present, future, that it's all kind of like one string and it's all occurring at the same time, or it's all already occurred past, present and future. So I mean, if it was something like that, you'd think maybe you could slip to a different part of it without disrupting everything. Or maybe that has been happening and that's what CERN was doing and that's why we have the Mandela effect and other shit like that, because something like that's already happened. Who knows.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:56

You brought up the Mandela effect in CERN, so have either one of you guys heard of the aforementioned John Titor?

Matt Slap: 46:05

Probably, but go ahead.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:07

So when Art Bell was alive and he was doing coast to coast, he received a fax. And he received two faxes, back-to-back days. And the faxes stated that this man named John Titor was a time traveler from an offshoot of a certain successful fusion reactor research program. Scientists from CERN produced the world's first contained singularity engine. It involved rotating singularities inside, inside a magnetic field. By alternating the speed and direction of the rotation you can travel both forwards and backwards through time. When you go back in time you travel on your original timeline, but when you turn off your singularity engine a new timeline is created, hence the mandela effect. So he received these facts as back-to-back days. Then nothing for two years. Then two years goes by.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:00

This gentleman named John Titor starts posting on these message boards. He states that he is from the future, from 250 years in the future. But time travel cannot take place past 2564. For unknown reasons. He was sent back from 2036 to get an IBM 5100 computer system from the year 1975. His time machine is a stationary mass temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two top spin dual positive singularities that produce a standard offset tipler sinewoid or a timpler cylinder, which hype is is a real hypothetical time theory, uh, postulated by frank tipler in 1974.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:47

What's crazy is the ibm 5100 it needed. The reason why he needed is because they need to debug legacy computer programs in the year 2036, because Unix has a problem in 2038. Remember Y2K, a similar issue. Here's the crazy thing when they postulate, and they do, it's a 32-bit system and they need to upgrade it to 64. When they do the math, the last day is January 19th, 2038, which is the year he said there was an issue. I guess that IBM 5100 had a special feature that wasn't known to the mass public, where it could run a program, but it also could run APL IBM mainframes. Only IBM engineers knew of this and they were afraid of letting the public know, for, you know, it might fall into the wrong hands. Obviously, I don't know if this is true or not, but this guy, whoever is John Cedar, was very knowledgeable. There's been a couple of people that are the primary suspects this guy named Joseph Matheny and then a couple of brothers from Florida that are attorneys. But either way, an amazing story, right?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:53

Yeah, it's true, it's crazy. Yeah, it also makes me think of Terminator.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:58

You know what? Okay, so this is what's crazy, bro, because remember I said there was two people, two main suspects Well, two categories, because there was one man and then there was another group of brothers and those group of brothers said that they modeled it after John Connor from the Terminator. So you know what? That's probably exactly what it is. We've all heard of the man from Torad. Doing a little bit of research, that's kind of easy to debunk. The Philadelphia experience, the Montauk Project, but the one that really convinces me, dude, have you guys ever heard of Andrew Carlson?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:31

Okay, so check this out. I don't even know his name, bro.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:34

This is the one that makes me wonder. In 2003, a 44-year-old man named Andrew Carlson, spelled C-A-R-L-S-S-I-N, he was arrested for insider trading. In two weeks he had made 126 consecutive high-risk profitable bets on the stock market, turning $800 into $350 million. The SEC looked into him. During a four-hour interrogation. He explained he traveled back in time from 250 years in the future with the knowledge of high-profile stock trades. He said that he planned to make it look natural by losing a couple here and there, but it was just too tempting. They thought he was a lunatic or a pathological liar because in their minds there was only one way to pull it off, and that's insider trading. They thought he was a lunatic or a pathological liar because in their minds there was only one way to pull it off, and that's insider trading. They demanded he give up his source.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:20

However, he never wavered from his story. He offered to give them a cure for AIDS and the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden for a lighter sentence. He said he didn't care about the money. He would give it all back as long as he could return to his craft and his original timeline. He refused to give the location of his craft due to fear of what could happen and him being stuck here. He was held on a million dollars bond awaiting trial. He had no family or friends or no money, but after a few weeks in custody, a mysterious, unidentified man posted Carlson's bail of $1 million in cash. The mystery man and Carlson have never been seen or heard from since. Brutal what the fuck is that dude?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:03

I mean, why not? We got hollywood telling us. We got hollywood telling us through these crazy movies, through all this stuff. It's like the occult talks about atlantis being like well, that's, the reason we got a cataclysm is because we had this crazy techno technocracy that we have emerging again. Um, that it's like, well, they essentially had. What we have now is an occultocracy, technocratic technocracy. That's like ruling everything. And now they're like oh, we got ai, we got this and that, but I think it's, I think that was a force that has always been here.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:43

I just been waiting for the, the technology, to get to the point where it's now, slowly but surely. You know it's getting there. You know that's what, that's what? Uh, what's his name? Uh, john d was doing. John d was tapping into. You know he was a magician tapping into with these entities, these demons or whatever, these ultra-terrestrial beings doing ritual magic or ceremonial magic, and all of a sudden he's talking to these people. They want to give you information. You know what do they want? They want blood. You know they're demons, but essentially it's like all right, well, cool, here we'll give you all this information.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:21

But yeah, in 900 years of technology, it'll take you 900 years or 300 years to get to where you are, and now we're all seeing that like coming into this bottleneck, where it's like, okay, remember, we grew up on all these movies that are kind of coming true now, so we gonna like stop letting them and consenting to this and maybe do something with it, or you know, just oh, it's, it's not, it's, it's not happening. Don't look over here, look over here.

Matt Slap: 52:52

No, we'll get the no, we'll get the Terminators. We're very close to bots patrolling the streets, I think.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:00

Black mirrors man. Have you ever watched any of the black mirrors or are familiar with them? That show is creepy because it's like a new age version or it's like a futuristic Twilight Zone is what it is they're talking about. They had an episode where you can upload your consciousness into the cloud. It's a technology that ends up like going into your like interface, like you put something here and it goes into your consciousness somehow and you can play like literally firsthand, like fighter games and all that kind of stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:37

But then, um, the one episode they were, these two women were in this ai universe or like this cloud, this reality, and you could pick out whatever era you want to go to the 90s, 70s, the 80s, you know whatever. Wherever you want to go, whatever style you want to do, um, but 90s, 70s to 80s, you know whatever you, wherever you want to go, whatever style you want to do, um. But then, like, one of the characters was on her deathbed. She was on like hospice, but she would. They only would let her go into this universe for like a couple hours a day. So the the one chick that met her. She was ended up dying.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:12

But you had the option of uploading your essence into the cloud, into these giant servers, you know, and we're we're like so close to being there. I mean, look at what Elon Musk is doing with Neuralink and stuff. And then they had an episode where they, when you're born, you're born with this technology in you where you can cast any of your thoughts on whatever screen in the room, like your memories. You can go back into your database and play a memory and watch it on TV, but you can cast it. And this was at a time when I don't even think you could cast anything onto the TV yet. And then now, all of a sudden, we can cast our phones onto a screen. And then now, all of a sudden, we can cast our phones onto a screen. Well, they're going to go that much further with your memories and being able to sell it on, never be able to forget, never forget.

Matt Slap: 55:04

And then they put false memories in.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:06

Mm-hmm, yeah, and that's like Blade Runner. Shit, blade Runner, they were giving everybody a false idea of who they are. You know, that's the story of the Anunnaki. You know, like made these this worker race and we implanted memories into your minds like well, they can already do that shit they've been doing, they've been telling us that shit for a long time and now it's just like. It's like uh, it's like a soft opening to a new store, new, a new. This is a soft opening to new things that we're going to be doing to you population.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:40

Are you a believer in the Anunnaki theory?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:43

Yeah, I mean, I'm a believer of that there is. I don't know about if they made us or not. I haven't read enough to make me fully convinced, but what I have read and what I can come to a conclusion is that everything is like, when you just look at religion, how everything is a regurgitation or rebranding of an old idea. Well, I think that this is this idea of who we are. I believe that we, we've always been here. Um, I think we've been hijacked. I think we've been hijacked, just, uh, our minds have been hijacked and we've been bred to like that, that whole anunnaki theory of that maybe we were slaves or whatnot. But I think, um, you know, we don't know where we come from. We don't, we really don't know where we come from. We don't, we really don't know where we come from.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 56:37

And I don't believe fucking science, because they haven't given me, they've been telling us nothing but lies, just, I mean, just look at, we were growing up as kids what they told us, what the fucking pyramids were, like it's just a tomb. No, I don't think so. They didn't tell us about, like, oh, the magic that we all possess within us and all that shit, and that these people knew it way better than, and understood it, what spirit was and what it was in this realm and what it was then. And it's just these paradigms and we got to pick through them all just so we can figure out where we came from and where did we go wrong and what happened. Because none of the history is right. It's all a load of shit.

Matt Slap: 57:27

It's all a load of shit, it would be hard to pinpoint where we really went dark. I like to always speculate around the druids and stuff and there's connections of the druids and, uh, egypt and shit and I was thinking off of what we're talking about. What if, like stonehenge and uh, all these megaliths and the pyramids and ziggurats and shit that are lined up on like ley lines around the earth and like a grid, what if they were the original 5g towers to sigh up the?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:53

well, that's funny that you say that because they were, they were with electricity right yep, it was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:00

Uh, that's what they were is like um, they were um, especially, they were like talismatic, because they had all of these um hieroglyphs and and stuff and they were all on energetic ley lines. I mean, there's a reason that they have them all over this place. They're, they're, they're still. It's old technology, right, it's just not, it's, it's dated and right, yeah, it's, it's crazy stuff. I mean that they did harness our energy, they did use it against us, you know. You know that's when egypt is, when magic got corrupted. You know, I think, um, we were at a higher place of consciousness, you know, and that's like what.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:44

Egypt was the highest and then it just like went away. Like it doesn't make any sense to me and from what they're talking about, egypt is like, well, these guys didn't make these pyramids either. They're talking about it was pre, like lemurian, like cataclysm, like atlantis, stuff like which, whether atlantis is a real place or a time era or whatever it was, it was a state of consciousness that was far more superior than where we were, and there was a lot of crazy shit going on, whether they were dinosaurs or elemental creatures, and crazy shit that we could see, that were bigger and everything was much bigger. Like you go to new zealand, everything's fucking huge. The spiders are huge, everything is huge the dinosaurs one.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:34

So when I first heard that there was a movement that people were denying dinosaurs, maybe about five, six years ago, when I kind of first came on my radar, I thought what a fucking stupid one. And then I looked into it and now I'm pretty sure there was no such thing as dinosaurs. Yeah, when you find out that they've never found like more than like three bones together, it's like. When you find out the origin of it is all like fucking backstabbing, lying, cheating. It's like, yeah, dude, you can't trust science.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:06

No, it's between NASA and all that stuff. It's like you're better off, like, go stick your head in, stick your head in the occult world, because you, you'll, you'll, you'll start to find out some shit. That like you're like what? What? This is how reality works and this is how this all works. And it's just like whoa, pick out a part of consciousness that you want to know about and you will learn an immense amount about who you are. If you started just under like understanding the basics of it, the basics of all these sacred sciences like tarot, the, the whole cost, all the constellations, the zodiac, like all that stuff that is considered woo-woo is, it's all a sacred science about how we operate and how this plane of existence is trust mythology more than I trust oh yeah shit we're being given well and they're telling they're just retelling the greatest stories that have ever been told and they're all like different allegories of the same shit, literally right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:12

So it's like, okay, okay, cool, we are the. Once we realize that all this stuff's about us and not externally out like somewhere else, that someone's going to come in and swoop in and get you and save you and hug you and tell you everything's okay in a realm of action where you can pull yourself out of this and you can do it. But you have to let go and relearn and reintegrate stuff. You can't just like, have it be like okay, cool, I'm, I'm now a fireman. It's like, well, you got to do the to become a fireman, right, you can't just be. You can't just be a fireman.

Matt Slap: 1:01:56

Well, we live in fake until you make it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:58

Yeah, exactly, oh, yolo.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:00

Something that was said earlier got me wanting to ask you guys because I'm sure both of you are way more well-researched in this area than I am and that is Aleister Crowley and the being a lamb that he supposedly communicated with you guys are familiar with this.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:21

Yeah, the big headed thing, yeah, like the gray like yes, gray alien, that's right behind you there right exactly there what do you guys think of? That it's pretty wild.

Matt Slap: 1:02:32

He summoned something that looked like yoda.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:34

He said too yeah, that's what the um, uh, the alphys levi was talking about in um, sir, like ceremonial magic, you know, summoning different things.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:46

Yeah, jordan maxwell talks about that one big time, about yoda being this demon, and you know, they're just pretty much they're summoning these creatures, these, these entities, to come through and to give them knowledge so they can start doing this stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:03

But, like, I don't know, there's something about all of that kind of magic, uh, any, anything that has to do with, like summoning or invoking another entity to come in, either in you or channeling, or there's just something that doesn't sit right with me. Um, I think that you know that's a, that's a type of magic, but I think it's a, a form of um. You're giving up part of who you are for these things to come in and operate through you and um start fucking with your energy and the world that you live in and doing other things. But, like, when you start getting these things to do stuff for you, well, that's going to come back to you big time and it's gonna. It's gonna come like you think. You think it's bad here and you're gonna be judged. It's you're gonna like, take yourself back from evolving to devolving if you're using these things in a sorcerer mindset do you know anyone who went deep into that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:05

um, I've known. I've known I've had friends that that haven't, that didn't summon stuff like magically, that had no idea what they were doing. But I had friends that fuck with drugs and entities that didn't even know what they were doing and that was kind of part of one of the stories that I was. That story I told you guys about my friend and his kids and whatnot, but like case point right, there was like, okay, man, you're with with that, you have no idea you're, you're, you're lowering your energy so you can be with these things and be in a certain state of mind and these things have an influence on you, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:50

But then then people just blame it on the drugs and it's just a psychosis thing. It's like, well, there's a fine line of yeah, there's a psychosis, but like you're also entering a different state of reality, you're in an altered state and no one's going to believe you, because no one can hear this shit and see the things that you're seeing, because you've made a pact, whether you know it or not, and you are interfacing with something that is going to cosmically fuck you up and make your, your life really messy and really not cool until you go okay, fuck this. It's time to start doing the work and becoming a good person, or maybe just making better choices. How about that?

Matt Slap: 1:05:37

yeah, I mean, uh, I'm surprised that it doesn't seem like a bad idea or a bad choice to most people to summon an entity from an unseen realm. It sounds like a pretty obvious choice there's people that love doing that, though.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05:51

I mean, there's a whole realm of that. Like I've been in, I've been in um a handful of magic shops. I like going into them because I like having conversation with people that are messing with stuff or like or just open to having these types of conversations. Right, you'd be really surprised. I went to um, I went to a uh, I went to a magic shop and they were talking, they were having a conversation about we had a total conversation about natural law, and are you guys familiar with natural law, like the Kabbalion or any of the hermetic principles of what really bind our soul here?

Matt Slap: 1:06:34

I'm sure I'm familiar with some like uh laws of the universe or whatever, if you will.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:06:39

But go ahead and give us a right, so it's a gummies version natural philosophy so, like you got the seven hermetic principles right, which you got, mentalism, that's the first one. And the the universe is mental, the all, all is mind. So, like anytime anything comes into existence here, like infrastructure, cars, anything that has been made, or anything all comes, has to start in mind before it enters this plane of existence. So you're pulling stuff down right. The second one is correspondence, as above so below, as within as without. The third one is correspondence as above so below, as within as without. The third one is vibration Everything vibrates, nothing rests. The fourth one is polarity. Everything has its pair of opposites. So you've got your positive and a negative and everything really it's the same thing. So it's like you got cold water and then you got like hot boiling water, but it's's all the same thing, it's just a different degree of the same thing. So you got hot and cold, all that kind of stuff, but it's really one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:44

and then you got rhythm uh, everything rise has a rise, and fall like a, like a tide, a pool, an ebb and flow. Um, then you got cause and effect. Uh, every cause has an effect, every effect has its cause. And then you have gender, and everything has a masculine and a feminine principle to them. So we have, we, all of us, have a masculine and feminine aspect to us, right and um, when it comes down to all of this stuff, this is what binds our soul here, this is what governs who we are, our energy. So, this conversation we're having here I'm listening to their conversation we had this whole conversation about that story that I told you, about my friend and all that stuff, and I was trying to explain these principles to him and blah, blah, blah. And then this is you know, his story happened and inevitably I had to walk away about, uh, you know natural natural law is the principle, and uh, not principle, but like uh, foundational teaching, before you can even mess with magic

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:04

really so, like you have to understand that natural law is a thing and you have to understand that, like everything come back to you based on your intention. So what, what you put out is what you get back, kind of a thing. So and they're they're agreeing with me like oh yeah, and they're like rolling their eyes. They're like oh yeah, that he's so stupid for not listening to you. But then the the dissonance in this. I hear another customer come in and then they're talking about their kids, like oh yeah, our kids are totally doing the gender thing right now. You know, I got and we we fully support them and they're doing all this stuff. And I got a him, her and a she, he and and all this stuff. And I'm like, wait, you guys own a magic shop and we just got done talking about natural law and you're and you're letting your kids go against the last natural law, which is gender, and you're going against that which is. So that's fine, you can make that choice. If that's what you want to do. That's your choice to make.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:10:09

But your consequence to going against that which is is suffering, is that's where all your suffering is going to come from is when you don't want to accept the truth of the objective reality, like plain and simple.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:10:27

So like I was at this place and they were talking about this and I'm just like, but that's the majority of people? Like they'll have an understanding of fundamental things but then they think they can rework them and make it how they want it to be or how they they, they want to go against the truth and make reality the way that they they want it to be, rather than making reality that way. Making reality that way, you know, like oh, I wish I'm suffering right now because my friend died or my girlfriend broke up with me, or or this, and I just I can't accept it. So you're suffering. But what's the truth of it? As soon as you accept it and you can mourn with it and deal with it and move forward, then you can. That's number one of okay, you've got a cosmic principle, you understand the idea of God and truth and creation. However you want to look at it.

Matt Slap: 1:11:31

Yeah, it's funny a lot of people when I guess alternative, uh, view spaces or consciousness or whatever, walking into a magic shop or crystal shop or whatever, you're gonna get a 50, 50, something that I thought of a little bit ago, that was creeping me out when I was like you would think that that's a bad idea and that people love doing that type of shit sometimes like summoning or whatever and you think back, like especially around our generation was younger Girls were up to some creepy shit at, like sleepovers, like. I was friends with these two girls in middle school and like elementary school and they were great, whatever. I still talk to them from time to time. But they were up to some creepy and like led to some like legitimate hauntings and stuff and we'd like they want to play with like ouija board when we'd hang out when we were younger and like some happened like when we did that once and like a wallet went flying off the table, I still thought it was one of the older girls like messing with us, the one that I'm like come on, she's moving her fingers around on the thing and yeah, that was a little creepy.

Matt Slap: 1:12:33

But these two girls, uh, they made it their intention to, in their words, create an energy.

Matt Slap: 1:12:40

So they like named this entity like, and they started like talking all the time and like acting like they were hanging out with it and like putting energy into it, giving it a name, like hanging out with it, like trying to like do a ritual, like daily to like nurture this energy and entity that they were making an imaginary friend or spirit, if you will and guess what it worked.

Matt Slap: 1:13:00

And eventually you know they didn't want to say the name anymore and they still wouldn't like. When I saw one of them, like years ago, what was telling the story and stuff, but still would not say the name, because she was like, no, if I say the name, like something will start happening again. Like it climaxed when, like the guitar in the room would strum by itself, or like the the sheets, or like the the blinds would move and doors would close. And then, one time that they were talking about it and like getting like upset about it and like why did we do this? Or something was like the vibe, and then a box of scissors went flying off the top of a cabinet or something like sharp objects went flying across the room.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:35

Yeah, that's, that's crazy because, like, essentially that they made an egregore, right, so they made something. But then they went a little further and it could have been like a mix of an entity coming through that came in and it was like, all right, cool, I'm here and now they're, they're feeding me everything that I need, and exactly you know. And then you start you know there's a especially. If they've said they say his name in three, they say his name in three, then it's just like, oh, now you're dealing with demonic stuff I'm sure that's what they did.

Matt Slap: 1:14:06

Uh, like I said, girls were up to some weird shit when we were younger, always into some like like witchy, like culty type of thing, when they would get together and the boys would just like beat the crap out of each other, go fucking sneak in somewhere where you shouldn't have been, and meanwhile girls were doing literal seances and shit. And they're 12 year old get togethers.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:14:24

There's something to be said about that stuff too. People don't realize that, like in this one book that I was reading, it was, uh, elf's levi, it's the history of magic and um, and I've heard you guys talk about this um, and even the, the, the dude, the nephilim dude, that you had on, that you just had back on, was talking about how the, the nephilim, pretty much taught, or. Or it was it the nephilim, or it was it the I think it was the Nephilim that took the wives of man and taught them magic, or or if it was like the Anunnaki that took, took on interest in in women because they were spiritually more advanced than the men and they taught them magic and makeup and all of this stuff. And they've always. But as women that's their natural state is to have a higher connection spiritually than the men.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:26

And it's our job as men to protect the women because they are the spiritual seers and the spiritual, like it's, it's nuts, because there's a dynamic between the, the yin and the yang, the masculine and the feminine, the positive, the negative, and like how it just flows with within itself and it's it's crazy. And what they're doing now with everything is like they're they're confusing everybody they're. They're making uh boys think that they're girls and girls that they're boys. You know it's. What was it what they say in uh ghostbusters? It's like it's crazy, it's raining dogs and cats and like guys are girls and girls are guys.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:11

They don't even know it's like that's what's going on right now is that like these are chaos magicians that are just like they've got people's minds like right here, and they're like guess what? We're just gonna put this in your head and play and and people fall, for it hook, line and sinker, invert. The natural order perpetuates itself, right. But I, I also do see like consciousness, I, I see consciousness doing this, you know. But everybody in the truth community thinks that this is happening. Like we're right here and it's like no, we're like we're coming out of that. Like whole Kali Yuga, you know, cycle of darkness, like now we're in the transition of everybody's. Like we're going into the golden age. It's like, no, we're going into the, the bronze age, just still a transition period, which we're not quite there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:17:10

But let's keep going, you know, and I see that psyop playing out like the whole new age. Oh yeah, aliens are the saviors. That's a new religion on top of the scientism shit and all that stuff. But I also see like spirituality and science could come together if it was played right, know, like we're talking about quantum physics, right, quantum shit, that well, that's nothing new in the occult. I was watching this one guy talk about how, when science, when scientists, catch up to the occult. It's the cult has been leagues ahead and they're just now starting to bring up these new ideas that are like oh, they're new. No, they're not, they're really not, and we should be teaching this shit at school.

Matt Slap: 1:18:01

Well, yeah, all the greatest minds back in the day were masters of so many disciplines that you would now consider a cult or fake, or a non-existent or a pseudoscience. All those great minds were doing all types of crazy stuff yeah, well, have you ever seen that movie, the last samurai?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:18:21

with tom cruise, tom cruise movie and it's a fantastic movie and they talk about the aspect of the mind a lot and um, I love that movie because I remember the one time, the one scene in that movie where he's like, oh, he's too fast, he'll beat me, he's teaching him sword fighting and the one guy's like too many mind he's like hi like you're thinking too much, it's too many mind.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:18:47

Simplify it and just get into a flow state. So I that's like that's a great movie for anybody that wants to see like, uh, japanese, uh, old time, like pretty much the end of the samurais is what that one's about brutal speaking of a japanese tv or movie.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:09

Have you guys ever heard or seen of a? It's a. I believe it's Japanese. It's a series on Netflix. It's called Alice in Borderland. Dude, it is fucking. It's so good If you could get past the dubbing, you know, if that doesn't bother you too bad, it's actually not. I mean, it's not the greatest dub. I'm picky and I got through it. So, but, dude the concept, you guys would fucking love it. Dude, it's good, check it out, Good shit.

Matt Slap: 1:19:45

Have you guys seen Shin Godzilla? No, oh, that's the shit. That's the best Godzilla one. That's like a straight Japanese movie. It no, oh, that's the shit. That's the best Godzilla one, that's like a straight Japanese movie. It was probably in like 2019 or something, maybe I don't even remember, but it's fucking good. Man Godzilla goes through like an evolution. He starts out as like a slug, like tadpole, like can barely walk, like grotesque thing on land, and then he kind of levels up and turns into this horrific nuclear monster.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:20:18

And he's not like fighting other monsters, he's just destroying things. So it's pretty cool. I love godzilla. I love the little girls that are in the clam shells, that for every time I'm like, okay, cool, I can stop watching it before we close it out, what is, what are both of your guys's favorite horror movies?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:29

because we were talking, uh, about a lot of these different aspects during this, uh, this podcast. It's a tough one for you, I bet you, you guys go first.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:20:40

I mean, I've got my, I've got my cores, but I want, I'm curious to see what you guys say. All right, I'll go first, since I asked the question.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:46

I'll get it out of the way. Um, mine is the original night of the living dead. I think that's the scariest fucking thing. Yeah, that's mine.

Matt Slap: 1:20:54

I was a pretty big Jason fan when I was younger. Although I'm re-watching them and just going back, a lot of the movies aren't that great. I just thought Jason was like menacing and brutal my favorite shit man. I used to be pretty fucking scared of the strangers.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:21:12

When I was younger I thought that was creepy as fuck you know what was a good one was people under the stairs. That was a creepy one. That was a great one. I would say, oh man, it's really, it's really tough to to to put a finger on finger on 80s core horror movies, um, because there's so many gems, um. But you know, um, I stick with my carpenter ones.

Matt Slap: 1:21:47

I really like my carpenter films and I think one of my favorite ones is probably Big Trouble in Little dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:21:51

That shit is so good, fucking great movie that's uh, because they tell you a lot of like um eastern occult stuff in it. I just recently watched it like, actually I think we watched it last year. I showed my girlfriend, uh, big trouble in little china and she's studying a bunch of eastern um occult stuff and they explain a lot of stuff. And I was like I gotta go back and watch all these whole old horror movies again because, like, if you watch chucky the, the first child's play, the first two child's plays I think are like those two, and then don't watch any any more of them. Like, or the third one third one's cool too, but like the first two child's play, like the first child's play he's like fucking with voodoo, he's fucking with like all these crazy um voodoo stuff. And after learning a bunch of stuff about that, watching them like, oh my god, yeah, the horror movies have been telling us the whole time I have, and you guys made me think of something too, before we wrap this up.

Matt Slap: 1:22:52

Uh, I can't remember what martial artist I heard talking about it or what other conspiracy show or some shit. But like everyone, it's hilarious when you see like the energy master martial artist like doing, like the fake, like chi blasts and shields and like all that type of shit. That shit is hilarious. But I do think like somewhere along the line, maybe some of these like monkish type of like super meditative trippy guys have stumbled across some ways of manipulating energy in ways that we don't understand or laugh off.

Matt Slap: 1:23:19

And some dude was saying he got called it like he was like a high up martial artist himself or something to do with, like he was very in with like super nationalistic, whether it was korean or japanese or whatever, I can't really remember but like what he was describing sounded like some kung fu movie shit. He was with like some some gangster dudes and they were at a restaurant after dinner and whatever. And there was some guy at the table who claimed he knew some like I can't remember the name for it, either chinese, like black magic, kung fu or some shit, and he killed plants without touching them, just like hover his plant, hand over these plants and the plants would like wither away right before he's like dude, I got to get out of here Like I don't want to. I can't believe something like that was possible. That changed my life Fucking wild. That's awesome. I would love to hear some crazy woo woo, martial arts tales.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:05

The people under the stairs. Is that Wes Craven?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:08

I believe. So no-transcript. How is it not a horror movie? He's like, it's just not. I'm like, well, you're thinking of like slasher stuff. I'm like this shit happens every day. This shit fucking happened. You don't hear about it, like just because you don't hear about like just because you don't hear about it on the news. I'm like if you watch these detective shows and stuff, that's just like a little, that's like a little granule of what actually happens out here in this plane of existence, and like in there and they're and they're telling you like cult shit, that like I don't know where. It's like, oh well, we can't trace them to where they are. Same with them. What is that one movie we? We talked about it. I mentioned it on the last podcast. I think it was the hypnotizing movie. What the heck is it?

Matt Slap: 1:25:24

Bird box or whatever.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:26

No, it was a Keenan Peele movie Get out, get out, get out. That's what it was. That that was a great one because that told all about hypnotizing people and mesmerizing people and being able to tap into someone's subconscious psyche and control them and like compartmentalize uh taking their trauma and applying a trigger to it so they can become like useless, which essentially goes down to like mind control and satanic shit for people that may have missed it, you are the incredible artist that did that, has done our artwork that we get so many compliments on.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:08

So for folks who may want to get in touch with you for any kind of consignment work or just a straight purchase things that you already have done, where could they do so?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:18

um, you can go to slapasscreationscom, which is pretty much a landing page that brings you to my instagram, to my, my webs, my etsy shop, all that contacting me, and contact me on any of those Hit them up.

Matt Slap: 1:26:32

Buy a shirt. Buy a patch sticker.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:35

Tell them, we sent you, do it.

Matt Slap: 1:26:38

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"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:41

The man that is responsible for the amazing artwork that you see.

Matt Slap: 1:26:46

For the change of our visual presentation. For real, though, I do think that getting the sweet ass art for the show sums it up. You know you need something to jump out and grab the attention of the listeners so they know what they're gonna be listening to.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:03

And he nailed it. There's no doubt that having nice and cool podcast artwork definitely helps, although you know there's some podcasts that just don't need it. We appreciate the five-star reviews. We have been noticing them. Keep that up. If you want to be a guest on the show or you want us to be a guest on a different show, let us know. You could do so on any of the social media platforms. At Two Truth Seekers, you can get in touch with me. At Sawbuck Mike or Mr Headhunter Higgins. At Headhunter Higgins, you can shoot us an email. At conspiracy and chill. At yahoocom, give us a five-star review. Do everything that I said, or else bad things might happen to you, and I love that.

Matt Slap: 1:27:43

I kid, we do appreciate all you guys, and when you do message us, I will say I will take responsibility here for being ADHD. We will get you on. We've noticed too, as we're growing in this podcast game, same thing with other podcasters the schedule conflicting or last minute, and we're getting better as we go.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:02

Matt Slap is very well read. His recall is very good too.

Matt Slap: 1:28:07

Yeah, I met him at an art show and we were having a conversation literally exactly like the ones that we recorded, and this was before the inception of our show. Even so, once we made it, I was like, oh dude, I got to get him on here Because I bought a shirt from him and stuff and I had seen him at another one of my friends' art shows. So anytime I'd see him, we'd be chatting it up like this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:29

If you want some crazy, amazing art custom art and he has a number of different Check out his shop. Yeah, absolutely, I think it's Flapass Creations on Etsy. Yeah, do all those things. As I said, what does your shirt say? Powered by plants? Plants oh, because you're vegan.

Matt Slap: 1:28:50

Yeah, I'm still waiting for my sponsorships.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:52

Is there vegan sponsorships? Is there vegan sponsorships? Is your mind powered by plants?

Matt Slap: 1:28:56

At the moment it is Mine too as you know I'm on and off with it but yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:29:02

It's going to be interesting to see who's going to be our first third-time guest. Stay away from pedophiles guitar solo.

Matt Slap: 1:29:11

Thank you, I'm out.