32 | Banks Drinnen | The Bell Witch, Werewolves and Paranormal Hunts | "It Sounded Like A Ghoul"

Prepare to be captivated by the world of paranormal investigations as we sit down with the extraordinary Banks Drinnen, an 18-year-old investigator from Middle Tennessee. Banks shares his spine-chilling encounters with werewolves and the notorious Bell Witch, offering a raw glimpse into the mysteries that haunt the Land Between the Lakes in Kentucky. From ancient curses to government land seizures, we unpack the rich history and eerie sightings of wolfmen and dogmen.

Throughout the episode, we recount Bank's journey into the realm of the supernatural, sparked by a childhood fascination with local legends like the Bell Witch and the White Bluff Screamer. You'll hear about his solo campout at Werewolf Springs and the unsettling sounds that intensified his commitment to genuine documentation. Dive into the eerie tales of the Bell Witch and the Werewolf Springs with insights from local historian Justin Spurlock, and explore the mysterious sounds that seem to connect old cemeteries and government projects to paranormal hotspots.

Our conversation spans the spectrum of supernatural phenomena, touching on everything from urban exploration plans to the potential influence of military installations on paranormal activity. Banks shares his inspirations and future ambitions, including ventures to Chernobyl, Mount Rushmore’s hidden corridors, and the sunken town in Tennessee. We also highlight the importance of audience support and staying vigilant in our quest for the unknown. Join us on this thrilling journey into the mysterious and the unexplained.

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Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon. Consciousness has been enslaved.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive.

Banks Drinnen: 0:11

It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

Banks Drinnen: 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:34

It's obvious the aliens are god-fearing, insanely huge, or just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt.

Banks Drinnen: 0:44

This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill. The nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The Bulldog Ball I want you to read the Bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the Anti-Masonic Party At a point in the United States. The Global Pandemic Treaty.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:19

Conspiracy and Chill Podcast.

Banks Drinnen: 1:22

Alright, so I'm Banks Drennan. I've been doing some paranormal investigations recently. I've only done about three, and then I've investigated this really rough hotel. Um, I've been doing youtube since I was 10 years old, but I think I finally found my shtick and I'm just gonna keep making some more investigations and I'm here to talk to you guys about yeah, bro appreciate you doing this.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:45

Hey, no problem, I appreciate y'all for having me on. Yeah, I saw your uh, your werewolf video dude and I watched that, and then I saw the screamer, and then I watched their hotel video or your motel video and then I watched um the bell witch.

Banks Drinnen: 1:59

Yeah, yeah, that was the first one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:01

Yeah, it was pretty cool you're. You're a young dude, bro, how old are? Was pretty cool. You're a young dude, bro, how old are you 18. Holy fuck, you're a young man.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:08

I'm a young disgust yeah.

Banks Drinnen: 2:09

Yeah, young disgust.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:10

Hey, you're kind of like a paranormal thrill seeker.

Banks Drinnen: 2:13

I guess. So I kind of just want to see everything you know yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:17

Where are you from?

Banks Drinnen: 2:19

I'm from Middle Tennessee, like a few minutes outside of Nashville.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:23

Definitely a lot of creepy stuff down there.

Banks Drinnen: 2:24

Oh, yeah, definitely.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:26

Are you familiar with this is something that I've been getting into a lot lately is like the werewolf dogman thing and are you familiar with I think it's in Kentucky, it's called the land between the lakes. Dude, there's so many fucking wolfman dogman sightings from that area area it's like it's only like we're in illinois, it's only like six hours from us. So I was like, huh, that might even be worth the trip down there, dude, because, like, I guess there's been so many sightings that go back to like the 1500s and supposedly there was a massacre in 1982 where wolfman actually like killed a family. I don't know, bro, I don't know.

Banks Drinnen: 3:08

Yeah, I've been kind of going down that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:09

That's in kentucky I think, yeah, it's the land between the lakes.

Banks Drinnen: 3:13

It's called and I'm pretty sure werewolves, or is there like other shit up there?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:16

too, dude. Well, so there's a long story. They've seen dog men up there, werewolf, they've seen bigfoot. Um, there's, there's a lot of uh, history, I guess. Okay, so in like the early 1800s, early 1900s, people lived there like rural, like it was out in the middle of nowhere. So the government came in and they did imminent domain, which is they take your land. They can just come in and take your land and they offer you what they consider fair money, which isn't fair. So they kicked all these thousands and thousands and thousands of families off their land that was been in there probably forever. And they promised to um, the reason why they did it is they were going to bring electricity to all these rural areas. Well, it never happened. So there's a lot of like resentment, animosity in that area and supposedly it goes back to like like even before that, the indians put like a curse on it. You know who the fuck knows, but it's a, it's a like a remote place man.

Banks Drinnen: 4:13

It looks scary. I need to go check it out. I've been. I've been meaning to uh start traveling outside of the state. You know, like the only investigations I've ever done have been just kind of around here, like Like the farthest we've ever went was Bell Witch and that was only 40 minutes away. So I got some plans to go some other places soon. You know, that's cool. I was watching some of y'all's stuff on Spotify earlier. I can't remember which one I was watching. Let me pull it up real quick.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:38

Some of them are pretty out there.

Banks Drinnen: 4:41

Paul Stobbs. I think he's wild bro. Yeah, yeah, I heard him talking about.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:47

I can't remember what he was talking about fucking nephilim probably, yeah, probably.

Banks Drinnen: 4:50

It's like christianity or something, no doubt this is the first podcast I've ever been on hey, let's go, man.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:58

Yeah, you'll definitely get more, bro.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:00

You'll definitely get more invite. Just keep doing what you're doing, dude. You're, you're fucking, you're doing good man. I think your videos are very well put together, dude. It's entertaining. Like I said, I fucking binged like four or five straight through it. I was like, oh, I wonder if we can get this dude on man. So yeah, here we are.

Banks Drinnen: 5:13

Yeah, I appreciate that yeah, I was up in. Uh, you guys know, like gatlinburg tennessee, you ever heard of that? I've heard of gatlinburg yeah, I was up there and I was just looking through watching Instagram and I saw that and I was like no way, it's like two o'clock in the morning. You're like want to come on. I was like hell, yeah, I want to come on so what would you think got you started?

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:32

you just always had an interest in creepy, mysterious type of things, or you heard some local legends and wanted to investigate them.

Banks Drinnen: 5:39

So like whenever I was a little kid they told us about the bell witch, but just trying to scare us, like we were just out there, they're just trying to scare us. And my friend's dad was like I mean, that's not real man, Like that's not real. I don't even know why you're interested in it, but I started watching so many videos on it when I got home and so I always had that like interest in the Bell Witch. And one night, me and two of my buddies, we left this movie theater that was like 40 minutes away and we were watching Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. And whenever we were driving back home we took back roads and it was just real foggy.

Banks Drinnen: 6:16

Man, we were out there in White Bluff and it was real foggy. We were like, dude, what's out there? We can't even see right now, what could be out there right now. And my friend was just talking about the white bluff screamer and I was like I wonder if it's actually out there, like I wonder if there's actually something out there. And so we started talking about the white bluff screamer I'd heard about werewolf springs, started talking about that and I kind of brought back the bell witch that I'd learned about when I was a kid, and then it just kind of like an idea like sparked in my mind. I was like trying to figure out my place on YouTube at the time, Like I was I think I was a junior in high school and I was like that's what I need to start doing is going out there and trying to crack down on these answers, you know. So that's where it all started.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:59

What was the first hand investigation? First thing you went out and documented.

Banks Drinnen: 7:03

Then oh, the first thing we did was the bell witch, because that was like what started it all. I was like you know what? I'm gonna start with the bell witch, because the thing that's hard about a man is like there's nowhere to go, like werewolf springs. There was a, there was somewhere to go like the werewolf springs and like the white bluff screamer, there really wasn't anywhere to go just out there in white bluff, like there's no destined spot. But the bell witch cave man. That's like kind of a tourist attraction. Like we paid like 25 to get in there a bit of a ripoff, but we just went up there, drove up there one day, me and three of my buddies we went and checked that out. Yeah, I kind of didn't do any for a few months until the white bluff screamer idea popped into my head.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:49

I think it's awesome that we have uh young dudes like yourself getting into the game and I really like what you bring. You bring, you bring a real level head to it, which I appreciate. You know, like every little noise you're not like oh, what the? But at the same time, on your werewolf springs investigation video, you uh you said you heard like this fucking heavy breathing and and that was that fucking so. When that happened, I was like something. Something really happened. Because you don't strike me as a dude, that was just. You know you're not making shit up out there, so can you tell us?

Banks Drinnen: 8:19

a little bit about that, all right. So at the beginning of that video, like I talk about that noise at the end of the bell which video? And how it was fake, because I didn't know it was fake, I didn't know. The dude swore up and down. We made him swear on a Bible that he didn't fake that noise. And then one day we were out and about and I was like, did you fake that noise? And he was like, yeah, dude, that was, that was fake. And I was like what the hell, like why would you do that?

Banks Drinnen: 8:48

And he was like well, I was just trying to make the video entertaining like it was a boring video and I was like, well, I mean I don't want to fake shit, man, and what's y'all's y'all cuss on here? Is that cool, please? Yeah, you're good, all right. And then, uh, I was like man, I don't want to fake anything, I was just pissed like I don't know that made me so mad. So in that werewolf springs video I made that claim and I didn't want to dramatize it Like I don't want to be out there and like I see so many paranormal videos on YouTube and they're just kind of cringy.

Banks Drinnen: 9:08

You know what I mean? Yeah, kind of like I don't know the over-dramatized it put this heavy music behind it and I'm like it's not that scary. Like I saw these dudes go to the Bell Witch the same places I was at and they made it seem like it was terrifying. But it really just isn't that scary. When you're there, I mean like there's, there's animals out there in the woods. Like I had to kind of understand that there was animals. But when I was camping out there by myself, I mean you can hear everything. Like you can hear every single squirrel that walks by, every single gust of wind, everything. And I mean I was shivering the whole night just scared, because I was hearing some heavy footsteps, I think. One time I probably heard like a deer or something, cause it was pretty heavy.

Banks Drinnen: 9:48

But then later in that night I was sitting in my tent around 1130 and, uh, I was just thinking. I was like man, how the hell am I going to be able to sleep out here? Like I'd almost fallen asleep. Then I got woken up a few times and I was like there's no way I'm gonna be able to fall asleep out here. And I was so close to falling asleep, I was so close. But then I heard a noise coming from probably I said 20 feet. In the video it was probably 20 yards. It was like up the hill, a little bit behind the shelter. It sounded like a ghoul man, like it sounded more like a ghost or something than a werewolf, to be honest. Like it sounded like it was a gust, like that's the best way I could describe it would be like a gust, but it was terrifying. It sounded like. It sounded like whispering but breathing. I don't know how to make that make sense an ethereal sound.

Banks Drinnen: 10:36

It was weird, man. It was weird. And I mean I I heard it and I sat there for a second and froze and I was gonna film it. But whenever I turn my camera on, like it makes a kind of a noise. So I thought maybe if I turn my camera on it might come and fucking kill me. So I didn't. And then whenever I unfroze, I turned my camera on and I just thought I was like what am I doing? Like I'm not, I'm out here by myself in a tent, like I'm not going to be able to fall asleep, like, um, this thing might come and kill me in the middle of the night. So I just got out, didn't even zip my tent up. I think I zipped it like halfway and got jammed and I just hauled it back to the car.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:12

But it was terrifying, man, it was really scary, it was real scary is where you're camping, near what's the uh bell witch cave? No, I was camping next to the werewolf springs, okay I know a little bit about the bell witch, not a lot. Do you guys want to go into a little bit of the lore around idea of what the bell witch is and what the werewolf uh springs?

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:31

I've never heard of werewolf springs, so all right, go ahead. So you want to talk about the bell witch or the werewolf springs? You can give a little uh synopsis on both.

Banks Drinnen: 11:40

All right, I'll start with the bell witch. So like I'd always been interested in the bell witch, watch videos on it when I was a little kid. So basically there was a family, the bell family, and they had this house out in adams, tennessee, for a little while and they didn't have any problems. But then one night they started experiencing some like really unnatural stuff. Like the daughters would get their hair pulled, they would get punched in the face while she was asleep and like they would hear like rats crawling from underneath their bed and scratching their bed frames, like rats scratching from the walls, and they had priests come out there and look and they claimed it as haunted. But eventually they just had to learn to live with it and it became a big deal, man.

Banks Drinnen: 12:19

A bunch of people started knowing about it and even Andrew Jackson came out there and spent the night at that house one night and he left and he said I'd rather take on the british army again than try and sleep there. So it was like that was like one of the first documented like paranormal things. That was like a big deal in rural america, because I think it was like early 1800s was when that happened. That's like a scary time period, dude, because Because there's no pictures of anything, I think that's kind of scary. So John Bell, he actually died in that house. He's the only. I don't know if he's the only, but I know that he was the first documented death of a man to come from paranormal encounters. How do I even word that? The first supernatural death in history, I guess, was John Bell. So I mean, that's a big legend. A lot of people know that one. That's probably the most well-known one I've done.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:12

That he got stabbed or something by a ghost or choked by the spirit. I have no idea. And the idea is that someone from the Bell family haunts the area.

Banks Drinnen: 13:21

I think it was a previous person who lived on that land was who haunted it. I can't remember. I think the legend was that some woman got burned in the fire pit or something and she claimed that land to be hers or something. I don't know. I don't know that far back. I just know about the Bell stuff.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:40

Pretty close to your area in Tennessee.

Banks Drinnen: 13:42

Yeah, it's probably about 40 minutes out and it's all heavily wooded. Yeah, man, that town, I'll tell you, that town is so much scarier than anything about the Bell Witch. You go out there, there's nothing. There's a Dollar General. We try to get interviews, because I don't know if you've seen how I try and get interviews of people. Well, in the bell witch we did not get any interviews because we went to the dollar general. It was the only place that was out there. No one wanted to talk to you, right? No, dude, nobody to talk to. And the people we did talk to were like get the hell out of my face.

Banks Drinnen: 14:13

Like no way I will kill you. Like they were scary out there. Man, like I'm from a pretty, my town's not too like backwoods country it's a little bit, but this place was like about as backwoods country as you can get up in tennessee man, it's rough.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:30

There is an eeriness to that and just the deep wilderness, and then the other one, werewolf springs. That's a location.

Banks Drinnen: 14:37

Yeah, I'm assuming there's a some werewolf lore behind it, dude, I could go all day about that one. That's probably the one I know most about. So that's a little, assuming there's a some werewolf lore behind it, dude, I could go all day about that one. That's probably the one I know most about. So that's actually, you know, state park. That's like not far from me at all, probably like 15 minutes. It's a spot called montgomery bell and in the back of it there's this little area called hall springs and I mean there's so many legends behind it. The legend goes that there was a circus train leaving nashville and as it passed it like derailed and a bunch of animals let loose. And there were these two animals called the wolf men of borneo and they got let loose and they were never found, apparently you can as tall as a man, like killed people and shit.

Banks Drinnen: 15:18

So the legend goes that they bred. The legend goes that it was a male and a woman werewolf and they bred and they just haunted those woods. I mean there's so many reports about like people seeing them, people getting murdered out there, like there's a story that the town hired a hunter to go out there and kill it and he saw it and he ran off, like there's a bunch to go behind it. But we talked to that guy in that werewolf springs video. I don't know if sawbuck mike, you've said you've seen it right. Yeah, I watched quite a few of your videos. I binged him. All right, cool, cool.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:49

But tom you have it. I'm not sure I'm a big paranormal youtube guy, but uh, not too familiar, go ahead.

Banks Drinnen: 15:54

And so I talked to this guy named uh named justin spurlock because when I was researching werewolf springs he'd actually written an article about it and he was a teacher at my school and I was like there's no way, I'm not gonna interview this guy. So I asked him and we went up there that same day and we interviewed him and he gave us the big spiel about it. He told us his experience behind it like a bunch of legend behind it. But after we got done filming that episode he was kind of skeptical on it, like he was kind of different off camera than he was on camera. He was more like, yeah, man, I mean the chances of there being something out there are very low like it's kind of a wild story. But he seemed to be very passionate about it.

Banks Drinnen: 16:36

He said that he spent a whole summer in the dixon library looking through newspaper articles to see if he could find the circus train wreck. But he said he couldn't find anything. So there's some skepticism behind that legend. But I mean, with my personal experience of what I heard, I think that there's probably something back there, like I don't know if it's some big animal or if it is a werewolf or a ghost or what. There's like three cemeteries out there too. Who knows man, there really could be something out there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:06

I think that there more than likely is. Are you familiar with Bachelors Grove Cemetery? Uh-uh, is that in Tennessee? That is, in Illinois, that's very close to where I live and it's yeah it's considered one of the most.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:26

Yeah, that would be a place for you once you start traveling, because I mean even tennessee and illinois, not too far, but we could even usually do one with them, yeah that'd be crazy, bro.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:30

I'd be so down because I used to go there all the time. It's a cemetery in the woods. It's largely considered one of the most haunted uh woods or cemeteries, at least like top ten. It'll make a lot of those like lists, like around the midwest and uh, one of the most famous pictures ever considered real is from there it's.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:49

If you, if you google search the madonna of bachelor's grove, you're gonna see a picture of a woman ghost sitting on a tombstone and that was taken by a legit paranormal agency, like in I don't know when I want to say the eighties, and they, they believe that's like a hundred percent authentic. Talking about this, yeah, yep, yeah, it's got a lot of lore around it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:11

Like native American lore going way back Then a cemetery. There's a lagoon that would apparently like Capone and like mobsters would drop bodies in. There's a lot of cult rumors like that. There was like satanic or whatever type of activity going on there and it's just like a very uh, superstitious and hyped up place and I've been there a whole bunch but I was kind of alluring this to. I have seen I had my own dog man encounter there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:36

No, way like as I remember it and reflect on it, I think I've told a little bit about it on this show. If not, it was when I was a guest on someone's show. But I'll go over it real quick. I was with a friend. We were wandering around in there. It was winter too, so like it's pitch black middle of the night. But you know, when it's winter and there's snow on the ground you can see pretty well in the woods and the trees are barren, so that creates a little bit of visibility, even even though it's super laid out and you go in the cemetery but then there's just a bunch of woods. As we're walking around the woods I swore we heard some sort of like weird growl or some shit. But again, you know how it is when you're out and you're doing spooky stuff you tend to overlook because you're trying to keep yourself calm. You're like not every noise is something to be jarred about.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:25

But we did take note of something we heard 30 minutes later or so. We have to walk through the cemetery to get back out and there was a large crouched like black figure that was on hind legs but it was very like hunched back and huge. I suppose it could have been a guy in like a trench coat just there by himself in the fucking graveyard, but uh, you could see between the legs clearly because of the snow, like that. It was just like big and in like a crouched position and we're probably I don't know 50 yards away. But my friend and I didn't even say anything. We just looked at each other, looked at that and like, just took off running and kept our eyes on it until we were out of sight. But once we were running, dude, it felt like a very primal fear, not like what was that? Let's get out of here more like uh, like you're gonna be chased.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:00

Yeah, like predatory, like get the fuck out of here.

Banks Drinnen: 20:02

You pray so even if it was just some dude in a trench coat, like the hell's he doing out there, still really.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:08

Yeah, someone I don't want to run into dude so for to explain bachelor's grove a little bit, to even get to the cemetery part you have to walk through about, or just about, a mile, a forest preserve. You're parking down the street at night illegally trying to, and it's off of a pretty busy road now the entrance to the forest preserve, although tom knows it back way because he's been there way more than me. My point is you have to walk about a mile through a dark, scary forest preserve on this narrow trail before you even get to the gates of the cemetery, that which is bachelor's grove. Yeah, that's how. That's how werewolf springs was. Oh, it's terrifying, bro. Like I've been there a handful of times but never, I mean, I've. You know it's felt weird, but I can, never, I can't say I've seen something like that. But you know things don't feel right there. You know I will say that, and I've been talking about it a lot recently where I've been looking into, like Dogman and Wolfman a lot, and I thought I was going to easily be able to just this is a silly one, you know, but what I'm finding is there's so much fucking evidence for it being legitimate. I mean, there's so many people that seem credible, like cops and military guys that have sightings and it's like I don't know man. It just makes me wonder. It's fucking terrifying.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:25

You said state park. Are you familiar with David Paulides? David Paulides, he is a former cop who does the Missing 411, where he investigates all these disappearances that happen in these state national parks Super famous David Paulides Just Google Miss missing 411. And he puts together all these disappearances that have crazy, like unexplainable coincidences, and they all happen in these state parks national and state parks and how the government is basically conspiring to keep it from us because that's so many billions of dollars a year in tourist revenue. He kind of alludes to it being like a Bigfoot or a supernatural or aliens, or he doesn't really he won't say definitively what he thinks it is, but he kind of alludes to it in a lot of his books and interviews. Yeah, dude, there's something out there, right?

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:20

Yeah, definitely, definitely. Interviews yeah, dude, there's something out there, right? Yeah, definitely definitely. Pretty much what I was going to allude to is like, uh, the forest aspect of it and like banks. You said something about a legend of two physical, actual, you know, potential wolfman or weird, like hybrid, like who knows, maybe government made but more of like a physical animal out there. But since yours it was in like a paranormal hot spot type of place and same with when I saw it at bachelor's grove or something like. Do you believe it's probably something to do? When mike was talking about the missing 411, there's some sort of like spiritual, uh, or like something about the locations or maybe deep woods that dimension has like a crossover, yeah, to where these dogmen, these creatures and like it's all uh, rather than like a physical, like a, like a bigfoot type of animal, that it's interdimensional or spiritual or like a demon, something like that. Do you get that vibe?

Banks Drinnen: 23:13

I kind of do like I'm very skeptical, like I'm very skeptical about all of it, like I do not know if any of it's real and I don't know if any of it's fake, like I'm just out here trying to get my answer on it. But I saw something today. Hang on, let me pull it up real quick. It said um, paranormal experts say there may be a portal in english forest letting in werewolves yeah bro.

Banks Drinnen: 23:35

Maybe maybe there's a portal out there in hall springs letting them in. You know never. You never know like it could be paranormal. It could have came from a train wreck. It could be government made, it could be just a legend to try and get tourists to the park. It could be anything, because werewolf springs isn't even actually called werewolf springs, it's called hall springs and the park doesn't really talk about the werewolf aspect of it because I mean, probably would scare some people off. So you never know, man, like it could be paranormal. I mean, especially with all those old ass cemeteries out there, like I mean there's graves that date back to the late 1700s out there. You never know, you really don't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:10

it really is, uh, you know, just kind of anything that we don't have a explanation for officially in quotes, or you know that science doesn't acknowledge or doesn't fully know how to explain yet, is just considered, uh, you know, fringe, or crypto, or paranormal, whatever you want to call it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:29

They used to call it spiritualism or other types of things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:33

I will say, though and I would actually like to get this guy on here eventually too once time at bachelor's grove there was a he considered himself like the groundskeeper I guess he ran the website, but he's just a guy who was very obsessed with bachelor's Grove that I met there, and he kind of changed my thinking on this too, and I don't know if it was his original theory or whatever, but right next to this bachelor's Grove cemetery, within like a couple blocks, is a large ass old radar tower, like a turning tower for like airport grids or something like that, I imagine, but it's a big like rotating radar tower, cell tower, airplane tower, I'm not sure exactly the purpose.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:10

Anyway, he said that those, wherever there's like big things like that, there's usually paranormal hot spots, so places all around the world, who knows, maybe the hollow springs or the werewolf springs that you were talking about, and nearby there's usually paranormal hotspots, so places all around the world, who knows, maybe the hollow Springs or the werewolf Springs that you were talking about, and nearby there's probably some sort of a weird conductor.

Banks Drinnen: 25:27

that was you know opening up, yeah, exactly A hotspot of paranormal activity, just like that portal was talking about and that thing I just talked about.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:35

Yeah, I mean that park.

Banks Drinnen: 25:36

it's 4,000 acre and it's just a bunch of unmarked land that people don't really use. There could be anything out there, you never know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:46

I think that ancient cultures too, when they would erect a giant standing stone or stone circles or some grove in the woods, they knew that was the closest place where the veil was thin or whatever that they could communicate with the spirits or they would see them or they'd come in and out. And you said you're skeptical on most things and you're trying to prove it, and I love that uh mentality for it because, like mike said, it's, it's a lot better than the kook or a zach baggins being like wait what this is real, look at this. And like just trying to, you know, reach for those grapes. But is there anything that has made you be like oh shit, like completely flip the script? Anything you've seen or documented or gone out and witnessed personally?

Banks Drinnen: 26:28

So before I get into that question, I have a question for Sawbuck. Mike, the guy that you were talking about, the Dave Politis is that the guy who Mr Ballin talks about?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:35

Oh, he's talked about him quite a bit. He's referenced his work.

Banks Drinnen: 26:38

That's what I was thinking yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. All right, so back to your question now. All right, um, definitely, whenever I was at the Bell Witch cave, um, like I said, that noise that we caught at the end of it, like the dude said, it was fake. It was just him in the mic, but before that, at the very back of where you can go to in the tourist attraction, there's like this huge room and it's just dark and there's a pool of water. It's like crystal clear water and everybody else that started going to the front of the cave, but I stayed back and I didn't have my mics turned on and I feel so stupid for not having my mics turned on, but I was hearing just like noises, like it sounded like whispers, but you didn't understand what they were saying coming back from that cave. So that shit was weird, that was really weird.

Banks Drinnen: 27:23

And, uh, with the white bluff screamer, I didn't experience anything. I think that's probably just like some sort of cat or something out there in the woods screaming. I don't, I don't think that's anything, but with werewolf springs, definitely that noise that I heard at the end of the video, the gust of just whisper and howling kind of sound. That was scary. Man, like I've been hearing noises all night and I'd brushed it off because I was like I mean, dude, it's probably just squirrel, deer or something, you never know, but this noise was something. It was something a lot more major than that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:53

So that kind of that, that's something that I think is proof me personally I like that you alluded as a otherworldly sound, like you're a guy who lives in the nature, you're camping in nature, you're hearing other yeah, you know natural sounds and, yeah, something about about that one I think you used the term ghoulish definitely would have been alarming to hear out there.

Banks Drinnen: 28:14

Yeah, that was definitely the best. That's the best way I could describe it was ghoulish is because at first I was like that's fucking wearable. Now that I think it sounded- way more like a ghoul.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:23

This is kind of pissing me off, because I was just listening to um the confessionals merkel's podcast, and they were talking about it's a cern-like hedron collider, and I don't remember if it's in kentucky or tennessee. Oh, you're kidding. Yes, and they even said they wanted to. Their goal was to open portals. The scientists said this and then they retracted it. They were like oh, it's a joke, scientists don't joke. But my point is that's not too far from you. There's a lot of supernatural activity that we've been talking about, kind of reported in that area, and if you Google the US equivalent to the Hadron Collider, you're going to get the Fermi National Laboratory in Batavia, illinois, which is 15 minutes from my house. Bro, damn Right, you know about fucking the Fermilab, right? Mm-mm, I don't know anything about that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:17

I'm new to all this man, you got to educate me. Yeah, fermilab is um, it's like you've heard. The fermi paradox is like if the aliens are out there, why haven't we seen them? It's that guy that coined it, but it's a secret. It's like not a secret. There's, everybody knows that it's there, but what? As far as the research goes, they they're like splitting atoms and doing like like smashing particles into each other with accelerators, like cern is is doing in. Where's CERN? Like Switzerland or some shit? Yeah, and yeah, like a lot of people have theorized that what they're doing there is trying to open like stranger things, like trying to open portals to different dimensions and shit, dude, and it's like I don't know, it just makes you wonder.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:57

Like there's like Tamwa-san sand, like there's always some kind of like military installation, even with a lot of ufo sightings. You know, like if you grid those, the frequency of sightings and paranormal events around military installations I don't know, man correlation doesn't always indicate that it is so, but it fucking definitely makes you wonder. You know what I mean.

Banks Drinnen: 30:18

Like coincidence I don't know, man, you know do you have a lot of military bases out by you, yeah we kind of do low-key, like we got there's a park just five minutes down from me and it's got a base where they keep a bunch of humvees and stuff and they have a bunch of military equipment, but like super secret ones, like hawkins lab man, I can't really think of any.

Banks Drinnen: 30:40

But there's a bunch of weird like places out here, like there's a bunch of factories, there's a bunch of huge buildings that nobody ever talks about, like nobody ever talks about. There's huge buildings out in the power and I've always been kind of skeptical on those a little bit because I mean I love, I love stranger thing, because that came out whenever I was quite younger and that kind of always opened my mind to it and even when I was out there in the woods in werewolf springs, like I was thinking, I was like what if some demogorgon type thing comes out trying to kill me, man? So I was thinking, I was thinking, I've thought of that. Maybe the werewolf came from some sort of portal.

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:14

It's definitely possible what you're doing is definitely exciting. You got to feel like you are on a monster quest, or or something, in a way, even if you don't think you're gonna find anything, or if it's real like you are setting out to you know you're seeking the mysterious which is badass.

Banks Drinnen: 31:29

Your mind thinks for the worst. Sometimes, man, you're out there and you're like, oh my god, like it's so much scarier than what you think for sure for sure, and that's a brutal mindset.

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:39

Uh, what are you trying to go for next?

Banks Drinnen: 31:42

uh, I mean, I don't want to explore just paranormal, like I, like you want to urbex and stuff too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:47

Urban exploration, you're trying to go to these abandoned buildings and like like I want to.

Banks Drinnen: 31:51

One of my biggest goals in life is to go to chernobyl. Like that's wild. I always wanted to go to chernobyl and like I want to see the things that I've always heard about but like I've never, nobody's ever gone and done. Like you know, behind behind mount rushmore there's like some abandoned hallway.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:08

Yeah, I've never heard of that. Yeah, they're supposed to be like. Yeah, there's supposed to be some shit back there, yeah that's.

Banks Drinnen: 32:13

I've always wanted to go there like dude, if I get inside the pyramids, make a video inside the damn pyramids. That would be cool, like that's the goal, that's the big goal. But right now, like I'm planning on doing just more paranormal stuff, like I got a trip planned for the next few weeks. I'm gonna drive to west virginia with a few buddies and we're gonna do the mothman oh yeah, let's go that's a more known one.

Banks Drinnen: 32:35

So I figured like that could kind of bring some traction to my channel a little bit. And then I got a video planned where, uh, there's a sunken town in a few, a few towns away from me. There's this river I think it's the tennessee river and in the 40s they destroyed a dam and it wiped out the whole town. Like they got everybody out but all the buildings are still down there, and like there's this huge grain elevator that pops up over the water that people go and visit, like Like they have parties on top of there, but nobody ever talks about that town. And I feel like if I got one of those underwater drones, rented, one of those, blew it down there and look to see if there's actually still buildings down there and interviewed some of the people that are out there in that town, that could make a good investigation too. Like just things like that, just the weird anomalies out there, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:20

Sick. How many too like just things like that, just the weird anomalies out there.

Banks Drinnen: 33:23

You know sick how many subscribers you got on youtube right now. Right now I got 1500 I hit 1500 a few days ago, but Hopefully I can get to 10K by the end of the year. That's my goal. Good shit bro, I'm definitely going to give you a follow?

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:34

What's the channel called Just my Name? I'm sure I've come across some of your videos. Just literally hours of YouTube shithole on anything mysterious or paranormal. That'll do it. I'm sure I've come across it, but definitely going to support that. I'm pretty sure on my YouTube studio it said that's how people come across my werewolf springs video just from other fucking weird videos.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:57

Yeah, yeah, you're in the right place now, buddy. I um, I searched the hall springs and I searched how close that would be to what we were talking about earlier the land between the lakes, and you're only about two hours and 15 minutes from there yeah, real close to kentucky, like we go up there a lot yeah, that would be an interesting one too, because, um dude, honestly, from from the things that I've heard and the stories I've heard, it it sounds fucking frightening.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:20

Like this one guy who used to be a cop, while his and when he's telling his story, a firefighter was killed the night, this night, and him and his buddy saw not only did they see two werewolf men, but he saw two bigfoot too, and he doesn't know if the two bigfoot were trying to protect him from the wolf men or not. But you gotta hear this guy tell the fucking story.

"$awbuck" Mike: 34:45

So fucking crazy dude. He even says it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:48

He even says it. He's like listen. He's like it's fucking stupid, does none of it make sense? He's like you shouldn't believe me because it's it's but this is what happened and man like he's either a really good actor, you know, or I don't know, man, but it's it's a real famous case, he. I discovered him on merkel's podcast too, the confessionals. Uh, it's a really good podcast, banks, if you're into this kind of shit, which seems like you are let me get into it, for sure, yeah the uh mothman.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:19

You know uh, so you're going to point pleasant, I'm assuming, right. You're gonna go out there and probably hopefully get some good interviews hopefully go out there get some good interviews first.

Banks Drinnen: 35:29

and uh, my buddy's actually been out there with his dad and he said that they found like a bunker in the woods out there. He said down that road you get like no cell service, it's like pretty far away from the town. But he said that him and his dad found a bunker. He said they didn't go in it but it looked like it was opened and you could just go in it but there was a bunch of abandoned military equipment in that bunker and like what the hell? Like there's a abandoned military bunker where the mothman sightings are. Like just back to what y'all were saying.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:59

maybe it's portal man, you never know and they knew that they released some shit and they were trying to get ready to attack him or capture him.

Banks Drinnen: 36:06

I mean, like I don't know if I'm gonna come across anything paranormal, but I just want to go out there, make a video to show what is out there, like I want to do mostly about that bunker because like that's weird man, that's so weird that'd be sweet to find that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:18

Yeah, there needs to be some answer questions out there in point, pleasant for sure there was some mothman activity in chicago a few years ago and I don't know if it still goes on, but yeah, people were seeing it here in chicago.

Banks Drinnen: 36:30

I didn't know it went out all the way up there there's a couple of famous photos from the chicago sightings.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:35

One they, they. A lot of people label it as pterodactyl, but yeah, it's like it's. It's obviously so you could like make out the arms and where the feet are and the way dude, yeah, it was a great demon yeah, could be a gargoyle demon, who the fuck knows.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:51

But again going back to like a police officer saw it. So it's like you know, it's not like they shouldn't be fucking held in any more high regard. However, they are trained to observe, they are trained to be, you know, with it in the moment and like tell the truth too, right, you know. So it's like that kind of adds a little bit more credibility, you would think. But adds a little bit more credibility, you would think. But yeah, I, I reserve the right to be skeptical and everything too, but it's just, sometimes it's just it's like wow, either everybody's fucking crazy and full of shit or there's something you know what I mean yeah, no, for sure, that's, that was one of my big things about werewolf springs too is like what if it's just a bunch of yellow journalism?

Banks Drinnen: 37:31

you know like what if it's just a bunch of phony lies trying to get people to I don't know believe some weird wacky story that they made up? But on the other hand, there's so many reports of weird shit happening out there. Man and even I experience something weird out there. I'm kind of on the fence. I'm kind of on the fence. I don't know. Obviously, everything the government tells us isn't true, but there's some conspiracy theories that just go. So out there. You know like it's like no way, there's no way. But that's what I'm here to do. Man is trying to answer all those questions.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:05

Yeah, love it I tend to think it's it's way crazier than even we can theorize or think, sometimes like I like to tell people yeah, dude, you like watching marvel movies or whatever like yeah, I know your universe. There's some crazy shit yeah, we all did, but then you think the world we're in is fucking 10 times crazier than that behind the scenes exactly what's uh.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:27

Like we all have like certain ones that like we're super interested in. Like tom is loves like druid stuff and I love alien shit, like what's uh? Do you have like a certain one, that certain one that you're super into more than the others?

Banks Drinnen: 38:42

I like, I like alien shit, but that's probably not the most one that I'm interested in the most, I guess, just kind of like old folklore legends because, like, I grew up watching gravity falls, dude, that was my stuff whenever I was a kid. It was gravity falls and just the weird stuff out there that people have reported seeing, like gnomes and elves and like, oh yeah, bro, werewolves and just zombies, just weird shit like that. That's what's always kind of. I don't know what kind of category that would be. Would that be druids? Crypto zoology? I would say cryptids.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:11

That's it crypto. I have my dog man sighting, I've seen some orbs. I've I've seen some strange lights in the sky, had some you know, haunting stuff, with an abandoned house across the street from me, and when I was little thing, the uh, the house was haunted and whatnot. I think the thing that would terrify me the most though it makes me want to do it, though is being out camping in a tent, not knowing what the fuck is right outside that tent, or say you're in, like I don't know, your car, just like something is just outside of a little barrier to you, in the darkness, in the wilderness, and that shit's wild to me.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:44

So I'm a giant pussy doing that. I'm a giant. You're never catching my fat ass out there by myself. Nope, if you guys want to do with me, I'm in, but by myself you're a better man than me banks bro I didn't plan on doing it by myself.

Banks Drinnen: 39:57

My plan was to have my cameraman, jonathan, and my buddy asher to do it with me. But jonathan had something pop up because we planned on doing it the day before, because it was a full moon and I was like there's no way we don't catch something oh my god but somebody had already booked the site like it's a spot.

Banks Drinnen: 40:13

It's a site, it's a primitive campsite in the back of montgomery belly can rent and somebody already booked it and uh, so we had to do it the day after and jonathan had something pop up and asher, he made up some bullshit. Excuse, I don't, I don't think he was just scared, asher you got to get it in the tent.

Banks Drinnen: 40:27

If you're watching this guy, if you're watching this, asher, you left me so high and dry out there, man, come on, come on. But yeah, it was terrifying, bro, it was so scary. I was watching. Y'all ever watched the outdoor boys may have come across it before he's like that guy. He goes out in camps.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:43

I was just watching him trying to stay comforted scary I, uh, I imagine it could be hard to find recruits to go on the monster quest sometimes. But hey, you're gonna make some, uh, some connections. Now you're getting your content out there, getting out some podcasts. I think if you come to illinois and want to do a bachelor's group one, me and mike would love to join, that'd be badass.

Banks Drinnen: 41:04

That would actually be fun. I'm down for that. I got these two people that I normally film with the names are jonathan and jack, and jonathan's this like huge dude, like he's like six, six, like massive dude. So it's good to have him there, you know, and he's a good cameraman. He's a damn good cameraman and I've started to like pay them a little bit, as if I start making money off these videos. Like I want to hook them up, you know, like kind of build a team.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:28

Kind of build a team, because I mean you can't do it all by yourself. No, not at all. I've learned that and I could learn a little from you too. I I got a youtube channel for like my martial arts, to my grappling stuff, and it's, uh, probably just under like 900, 850 subscribers or something. I'm working my way to a thousand. You probably started just getting paid after you got that thousand, so keep it up, dude never made a cent off any of it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:52

No, no, I've been doing that once you hit one 1k that, uh, you can get some monetization or something.

Banks Drinnen: 41:58

You gotta hit 1k and then you gotta get like 3500 watch hours in like a year or something. So it's, it's wild like what was your.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:08

What was your early youtube content gaming no man, it was rough.

Banks Drinnen: 42:12

It was like me in my backyard, like screaming at the camera and like jumping on my trampoline.

Banks Drinnen: 42:18

Yeah, that's just fun little kid shit yeah, man, because I, like I grew up that was the cool thing to do was to be a youtuber, you know. So I tried to do it myself and then, once I started trying to do it, like it kind of like locked into my head like this is what I'm gonna do, like I never gave up and like I never, never had like a shtick, I guess you could say. I never had like a what's the word? A genre that I was involved in, but I just kept making videos until we were driving home that night and we were talking about the weird out there in white bluff and I was like you know what, man, I think this is what I need to do is do some investigations, work my way up to doing the more crazy investigations. Yeah, man, I love YouTube. Like it's kind of like gives me a purpose. You know what I mean. Like I wake up and I think, like dude, I need to get on this. Like it gives me motivation.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:06

Yeah, you're inspiring me, dude. I am definitely not the most technically proficient guy. Mike handles all that here. As far as the tech and the editing and the video or whatnot, I'm, I'm pretty primitive with it, but it is fun and it is cool. Like so many people watch YouTube, dudes, you put out a video. You think nobody's fucking watching it, but hey, your videos, mike, reach out to you. Boom, now here we are talking, like you had those ideas that inspire you to do it. So that's what I need to remind myself sometimes to just make the damn video yeah, I've always heard man make what you love and love what you make.

Banks Drinnen: 43:37

Man just get it out there fuck yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:40

And whenever you have those profound moments, like it just hit you yeah, this is what I'm gonna do. And then it starts a fucking journey that you couldn't have imagined, where?

Banks Drinnen: 43:48

it would take you. No, never, dude, I never would have thought I'd be on a podcast talking about this shit right now well, somewhere deep down, I think you did, because you started creating shit that just aligns with it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:58

And, yeah, making content and finding your stick and you're a young dude and you're already going for it, love it bro, I appreciate it, man.

Banks Drinnen: 44:05

Hey, so you're a uh, what do you do? You're a mma fighter. I dabble.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:10

I have fought in mma. I've cornered a lot of MMA fights. I mostly stick to competing in submission grappling and catch wrestling and jiu-jitsu different styles of grappling, martial arts mostly. But yeah, I'm pretty immersed in the combat sports world.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:26

He's a multi-time world champion catch wrestler. He's very modest.

Banks Drinnen: 44:32

What is catch wrestling?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:34

Submission wrestling catch wrestler he's, he's very modest. Yeah, what is what is catch wrestling?

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:35

submission wrestling yeah, I mentioned wwe, if it was real like if it was just uh, pin the guy or make him tap out, so it's jujitsu with pins. Or you could say it's like high school college wrestling with submission holds that's cool man, I've never heard of that. Pretty sweet, yeah, most people haven't nowadays, but uh, it's definitely on the comeback.

Banks Drinnen: 44:54

That's cool as long as you're the best something man he's a black belt in jiu jitsu too hell yeah, bro, I'm not gonna pick a fight with you guys.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:01

Yes, I'm saying I'll have, uh, tom will be my bodyguard out there. Out there, because yeah, I ain't go, I'm no match for a werewolf.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:08

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if any of us are or a match for, uh, something in the spirit realm, but I always did, like you guys obviously probably watched Ghost Adventures, right, yeah, I've seen him.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:18

I don't think I did Zach.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:19

Bagans, it's pretty old, though. It might even honestly be before your time Banks or you would have been really little. But yeah, it was like one of the first real popular ghost shows where they would go do investigations. And I know they eventually did start faking shit and on their boring episodes, but uh, yeah zach baggins was like this yeah, for sure it does.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:37

This zach baggins guy was like this jack, like 2000s, uh, affliction bro, like spiked hair tattoos, and he would always try to like intimidate the ghost and have like this, this hard-ass presence, like come on, ghost, like you want to do, you want to mess with me, why don't you come out and like say something, knock on the door like just very, uh, arrogant bro type of character. I always thought that shit was hilarious, but hey, whatever you got to do to create the spirit you man that could be you out there let's go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:06

I'll be the next zach baggins well, I'm sure that you're gonna be on more podcasts, bro, and we will. Uh, we'd love to have you back. Like you know, let us know when you're, uh, when you do the fucking mothman or, uh, any of your other ones. You know, let us know, bro, we'll have you back for sure I appreciate y'all for having me on man yeah, anytime. What?

Banks Drinnen: 46:25

let everybody know where they can find your shit all right, so my name is just bank strinted on everything. It's just my, my middle name and my last name's name. I've always went by kind of post on instagram. That's more of just personal stuff, but youtube is my main focus. You guys want to see some cool investigations coming out soon. I mean, I just got out of high school. I got all the time in the world to be putting time into youtube now. So just go to bank strennan, trying harder a little bit, you know, getting a team together, got some more equipment, got some ideas. Just go there and check it out love it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:54

Definitely give them a follow, check it out. I know I'm gonna and I'm sure we're gonna be seeing a lot more of your stuff, bro. I appreciate that man man real quick.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:02

Before we go, I just want to say you graduated high school this year I graduated high school like two weeks ago so did my daughter. Really, I have an 18 year old daughter, so it's just, it's a trip. It's a trip for me. So, yeah, I love what you're doing, brother. Keep it up, man. You got the whole fucking. You got the world by the balls, bro absolutely bro.

Banks Drinnen: 47:20

I appreciate y'all.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:21

Thanks, drennan, thanks yeah, I was afraid. I don't know if I called him brooks, but I kept thinking. I was afraid I was gonna call him brooks due to having brooks on twice.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:30

I uh didn't know a lot about the young gentleman. I know you set this one up. If anyone out there is trying to get on the show and talk to us, just be persistent and patient. You got two ADHD spazzes running the show who are wearing a lot of hats at once. But, that being said, what a young gentleman, what a fine young gentleman we just talked to right there. And uh, the fact that he is so young and chooses to explore mysterious, fucking cool topics like that instead of, I don't know, uh, skibbity toilet, fortnight riz or whatever the fuck, whatever the fuck. Something someone his age could be uh going for. He's a mature young man and he's got some balls. He seems like a good young man. I mean, he's got his head on straight.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:11

You know he's well mature young man and he's got some balls. He seems like a good young man. I mean, he's got his head on straight, you know. He's well spoken, he seems intelligent, he seems humble at 18, he's like, you know, he's willing to tackle obstacles out there. And yeah, dude, that's good we need. We need that, you know, because I'm an old hat, you're. You're not old yet, but in 10 years you will be.

Banks Drinnen: 48:34

Yeah, I feel old.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:36

Well, your body is because you fucking put it through a lot of anguish. But that's what you do. I could never go. I mean props to him, I would never. And I saw the video.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:50

It was fucking scary and, yeah, I could vouch for him he took off and when he came back the next morning I might have seen that actually, I'm gonna do this. I feel like I have seen some of his videos.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:00

His tent wasn't even zipped up, like he left it open all night like he was out in a quickness dude. So, yeah, he's. Uh, he's got some cool ones and one that wasn't paranormal related that is a cool video on his channel is he stays in the shittiest rated hotel in his town and it's like less than a one star and dude. It's freaking gross, as one would expect. And uh, the only five star rating that that hotel had was from a guy that was on the run from the police. He was like it's a right place to stay to avoid the police.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:35

That's hilarious, so that was a pretty cool one, but yeah, you know what he's thinking out of the box, Dude. I like that. He's got a couple ideas already. He's got the Mothman trip planned. I think we gave him a couple cool ideas with Bachelor's Grove and then the Land Between the Lakes.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:54

So I think he's gonna be all right. Dude, definitely have him back on, I think. Uh, the fact that youtube is in people's head too, like well, look at, I'm just gonna be a youtuber from a young age, that's kind of a trip to like connecting with someone who came up in that era, like immediately with youtube, like I'll just be an influencer, I'll just be youtube from a young age, like. That being said, I'm glad I wasn't making a bunch of youtube videos when I was little because I'd be laughing too. Like he said, it was cringe looking back at him, just little screaming into the camera. Everybody would have been doing the same.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:20

Oh, no doubt, no doubt. But you know, not everybody has the persistence and the willingness to laugh at themselves and move on from it and grow, and you know that's. You know not everybody can do that. How many people that started when they were 10 are still making videos eight years later, you know, like seriously making so.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:41

so you know that's cool man you know I like that and like like you said earlier, if anybody else is listening that wants to reach out to us, that wants to come out or would like maybe to have us on, you can do so. There's a number of ways you can get a hold of us conspiracyandchillayahoocom. You could reach me on Twitter at Sawbuck Mike and see me on Instagram, and Mr Headhunter Higgins does not fuck with Twitter or X, but he is on Instagram under Headhunter Higgins, believe it or not.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:07

And we also have a joint account and that is Two Truth Seekers pretty much on all the different social media platforms.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:14

So I don't know what you're waiting for if you haven't done all that shit yet yeah, I've got to get that thousand subscribers on my uh wrestling channel on youtube, headhunter hagan.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:23

So help me out, help me out fans, help me out friends, let's go yeah and, as bank said, it's not just about getting to that thousand, uh subscriber threshold, it's about having a certain amount of watch hours. Yeah, it shows what I know which. Well, you know that's kind of when they sneak in there. They also hit us with copyrights for certain things here and there, but you know we're not making money on them anyway, so we don't have to change anything yet I guess they got a long way to go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:53

No, you're almost there, bro. I didn't want to hit you with no copyrights. As long as you know, don't have any certain kind of music I've gotten copyrighted.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:59

But yeah, some of the fucking matches that I've had at wrestling wars, the music that was being played and that's all, yeah, yeah yeah, that's just, but you know that could be edited out also you know, we could always edit the music out and then upload it separate.

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