35 | Bart Sibrel 2 | Joe Rogan, Moon Landing Hoax and Alien Deception | "They Are Faking The Greatest Events In Human History"

What if the moon landing was a grand illusion, orchestrated to deceive the masses? This episode challenges you to reconsider the most accepted historical events, starting with the moon landing conspiracy. We recount Bart Sibrel's exchange on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast and present compelling evidence questioning the authenticity of mankind’s greatest achievement.

Could psychological operations be shaping our reality, using events like the Challenger explosion and flat earth theories to distract and discredit? We delve into the manipulation of public figures and historical events, including Bill Clinton's scandal and the Vietnam War, to maintain a narrative that keeps the truth obscured. Moreover, the sinister issue of missing children and the media's blind eye highlights the pervasive corruption within powerful institutions. Prepare for a sobering examination of how deep these deceptions run.

Are world leaders hiding a dark secret, worshiping the devil, and orchestrating a staged alien invasion? We explore Wernher von Braun's ominous predictions, biblical references, and the existence of potentially divine and satanic bloodlines. Join our conversation with Bart, as we touch on everything from flat earth theories to eerie tales from Skinwalker Ranch. This episode promises to keep you on the edge of your seat, urging you to stay vigilant and question the world around you.

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Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there.

Bart Sibrel: 0:14

It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show.

Bart Sibrel: 0:34

It's obvious. The aliens are god-fearing, insanely huge. Or just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom they said I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The bulldog ball?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07

I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs there was a political party. A third party called the anti-masonic party.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14

At a point in uh in the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast Conspiracy and Chill Podcast. I was so thrilled. The morning I woke up and saw that you were finally on Rogan.

Bart Sibrel: 1:28

How was that experience? Well exhausting.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:48

Yeah, how so.

Bart Sibrel: 1:53

Well, let me just say I think it's known by many people that the moon landings are fake and, rather than defending the other point of view, which we've heard for 55 years, we need to talk about why they were faked and, if these people are still at large, what to do about it. You don't casually talk about the weather if there's a ticking time bomb under the conference table, and so, rather than pointing out why it might not be fake, we've already heard them claim it was real for 55 years. I don't think they need equal time. We need equal time. They did fake the moon landing, and to go from being a Gaga, you know, fan worshiping the moon landings, like I used to, to wondering if they really went to, knowing for certain they did fake it. That's a very profound event in human history, more so than if they had actually gone. We have the most powerful nation on Earth faking what is considered mankind's greatest accomplishment and naive people defending their molesting scoutmaster, and that's kind of sad, I guess, because it's a positive lie that they, you know, don't want to give up, unlike whoever killed Kennedy. He's still dead. So this is positive and, as Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Bart Sibrel: 3:19

So science says they did not go to the moon. Von Braun said they didn't have enough fuel. Elon Musk says it's going to take eight fuel trips minimum maybe more to go to the moon. Now, from what I understand, light bulbs are brighter, with less electricity, than they were 55 years ago. So it should take less fuel to go to the moon now with more efficiency. So for some reason they can only go 1,000th the distance to the moon today with five decades better technology.

Bart Sibrel: 3:49

So when they had one minute to compute in-flight with a cell phone and went on the first attempt, you see it doesn't add up.

Bart Sibrel: 3:56

We have an eyewitness who saw them filming at Cannon Air Force Base.

Bart Sibrel: 4:00

We have footage on the homepage of Sobrellcom of them faking being halfway to the moon with a one-foot model of the earth and we have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart that they claim is on the moon, which would be parallel shadows, which means it's electrical light, which means they're on earth, which means they didn't go to the moon weren't for people you know glorying in the god of the moon landing, which you know, oddly enough, it's named after a Greek god of deception and they would see the truth. And it kind of tells you something spiritual is going on about the fallen state of mankind, that their greatest accomplishment is a fraud and just like they said about the Titanic, the ship that God himself couldn't sink, nixon said putting a man on the moon was the greatest event since creation, when he knew they weren't even there. So something strange is going on in our world. What can you do? It's better to know you have cancer and deal with it than to pretend you don't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:02

Yeah, no doubt I was disappointed too because, for what you said, I was disappointed in the counter position that he took, the steel man that he took throughout the whole conversation, because I personally don't believe that he thinks we really went to the moon and I think a lot of his listeners really don't think he thinks we really went to the moon but then to see him finally have you sitting across from him and take the opposing position, it just kind of blew my mind. It's like what is going on here. You know?

Bart Sibrel: 5:34

Well, I don't know, I didn't watch his interview with what's the guy's name? Well, let's just say, the people who think this little thing for the last three years, robert Malone, the people who think this little thing for the last three years, robert malone? Uh, I don't know if he took pfizer's side for three hours, you know, maybe he did, but uh, you know, he's asserting that there's an intent to harm millions or billions of people. So what is that compared to faking a video image? Right, you know? So, yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going on, other than an NBC news director who saw the footage I uncovered said it conclusively proves we didn't go to the moon and he feared civil unrest if the public knew that they faked the moon landing, that it would infuriate people, that they would never trust the federal government again, even though it killed fewer people faking the moon landing than even the Kennedy assassination witness list. It's different, it's burned into people's psyche and, like I said, it's a positive lie. They prayed for them, they waved their flags, they cried, they put it on coins and stamps in the encyclopedia, they gave them medals of honor for being such good liars. I mean, if they find out that's the case.

Bart Sibrel: 6:57

Maybe he's right, maybe it would cause civil unrest and maybe there's a deliberate attempt to prop it up. I mean, if I went around saying Mickey Mouse was the first president of the United States, not George Washington, I doubt if there would be a thousand YouTube videos reassuring people that it was George Washington and debunking all of my proof that it was Mickey Mouse. You see, something made out of straw needs the support. If they really went to the moon, why would they care if I said otherwise? The fact that I'm pushing their buttons proves that I'm right, because a sword with no point causes no injury, right? So the fact that it's getting a reaction out of them means it's true.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:41

Yeah, I personally don't believe we went to the moon. I just think there's too much evidence and common sense. I just there's just. I personally don't believe we went to the moon. I just think there's too much evidence and common sense. I just there's just. I don't, like you said, man, technology doesn't get worse and that's the only thing ever. They nailed it on the first try. No, I'm not buying it. I never have. I don't see how people can, and I'm pretty sure, tom, you don't believe that we went to the moon, do you?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:02

no, no way. And uh, since we last talked, bart, I know you've gotten a lot of exposure with it too and talked this whole story for years, so it's got to feel pretty good to get a lot more eyes on the story too. Something I was thinking and I know we probably touched on it a little last time and it might be you repeating yourself telling the story a lot of times but the Challenger explosion would be the counter PSYOP then right To get us, or to get the general public like a negative lie, like oh no, we can't be trying to go back to the moon now because look what happened to the Challenger. All those people died, those you know, those astronauts, didn't you see that? Like how dare you?

Bart Sibrel: 8:38

Well, I don't know what they're up to. I think Flat Earth is a PSYOP. I think the Challenger crew still being alive is a psyop. I mean, right after this starts making the rounds again because of the Joe Rogan interview, I get all these emails Do you think the Challenger crew is still alive? Who cares what differences they make whether they're alive or dead?

Bart Sibrel: 8:56

They're trying to distract you from the fact that they faked the moon landing. Bill Kaysing writes a book. We didn't go to the moon. They say oh, you believe the earth is flat. I come out with my movie oh, you believe the earth is flat. I travel halfway around the world. I say I'm a filmmaker. What's your most famous film?

Bart Sibrel: 9:13

A funny thing happened on the way to the moon. What's it about the moon landing fraud? Oh, you must think the earth is flat. I say that's a pretty highly successful psyop. In it they're trying to discredit people who know the truth that they did fake the moon landing. And you know when you realize that it's a very profound experience.

Bart Sibrel: 9:31

I remember popping in the tape that said don't show to the public at the head of it, and seeing the special effects shot of them using a one foot model to pretend to be halfway to the moon two days into the flight and I'm like, oh my gosh, they really did fake the moon landing. Then everything makes sense. That's why the shadows intersect. That's why, 50 years later, they can only go 1,000th the distance to the moon. That's why two of the three people don't give interviews. You know, that's why the shadows intersect. That's why this, that's why that, that's why they destroyed all the hardware, all the blueprints, all the original videotapes, right, which they would never do if they really went, but exactly what they would do if they did a fraud, you see. So you know that's pretty sad. The most powerful nation on earth faked the greatest accomplishment of mankind, and their own citizens are defending their own molesters. You know it's pretty sad.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:26

Yeah, that's something that we, Tom and I, have touched on before with Flat Earth on this. We've never really had an episode dedicated to it, but the topic has came up from time to time and it's came up that a lot of Flat Earthers actually use your work to strengthen their theory but they fail to say that you aren't a flat earther, you do not believe the earth is flat. They kind of tie you in there, as you said, and I think kind of to make to discredit you in a way, I believe.

Bart Sibrel: 10:57

Yeah, I mean the word wicked comes from candle wick, which looks like it has one strand. But if you look at it closely it's two truth and lies. So if the government lied all the time, we just believe the opposite. So they sometimes tell the truth, sometimes lie. They did fake the moon landing, but the earth is a sphere, you know what I mean. And so they're trying to confuse people. And it doesn't even matter if the earth is flat. The earth could be a triangle or a pentagon or a cube. It has to do with corrupt people running the federal government and they are corrupt. Bill Clinton said 20 times he didn't have an affair. He finally got caught. He says okay, I did. When they asked him why he did it, he said because I could, because I could get away with it. Why did they kill Kennedy? Because they could, because I could get away with it. Why did they kill Kennedy? Because they could. Why did they fake the Vietnam War beginning? Because they could. Why did they fake the moon landing? Because they could.

Bart Sibrel: 11:51

And this is dangerous. You don't just have one child go missing a month in your neighborhood for 55 years and go. Oh well, it's just one of those things. No, you keep talking about it every day until something is done about it. Do people not know that a half a million children go missing a year, every year in the United States of America? I've never seen that on the evening news. I've seen the president getting a new cat on the evening news, but not half a million children missing, right? I mean, come on, that's outrageous. In 10 years that's 5 million children right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:25

I mean, come on, that's outrageous. In 10 years there's 5 million children and the age of technology and surveillance, where there's a camera everywhere and everyone has a phone and gps and everything is tracked. Of course, that could only be happening then if there's inside job cover up. They're not. They're not trying to speak about that, they're making it happen because there's no way, man, that's a insane statistic. And when you try to bring that up people, it's just too dark and they don't want to think about it, so they'd rather. No, that's a insane statistic, and when you try to bring that up, people, it's just too dark and they don't want to think about it, so they'd rather no, that's not real it's not real.

Bart Sibrel: 12:50

Yeah it's, it's twisted yeah, I mean who are supposed to be the most honorable, most trusted on earth, priests and they're the most accused of child molestation. I mean, come on the. The nation that every immigrant wants to come to is the United States of America, and yet they're the ones who are faking the moon landing and killing their own president, faking the beginning of a war. I mean, the dead man's own relatives say his uncle was killed by the CIA. The defense secretary of the Vietnam War said they just made up the beginning of the Vietnam War. The alleged attack by North Vietnamese never happened. They passed a law starting the war as if it did happen. He says well, it never happened, just made it up. So these people are never held accountable. They promise I will do this when I'm elected and they don't do it. They promise I will not do this when I'm elected and they do it. And there's no accountability. There should be a law that if you make a pledge and you don't do it, you're immediately last day in office and you go to jail for 20 years. Maybe then people would keep their promises right. So I don't know what to say.

Bart Sibrel: 13:59

This is a sad state of a world and, as you know, my new book that I kind of rushed to make it in time for the Rogan interview is my study of aliens and Planet X. And when you have the former Nazi who faked the moon landing, von Braun, tell his closest friend that after the terrorist threat which we've already had and after the asteroid threat which we're about to have, they're going to fake an alien invasion. And that's pretty darn serious and it's interesting if you think about it. Let's just say aliens showed up, real or fake, that would be like the most historic event in history to date, right.

Bart Sibrel: 14:36

And then what was putting a man on the moon? The most historic event to date? And it's amazing. They're faking the greatest events in human history. Isn't that amazing? I mean, that's pretty good golf. I think it was Hitler's propaganda person Goebbels who said you know, when you tell a really big lie, no one would think you had the audacity to lie to such a degree, which helps people believe it all the more you know. It's interesting psychology, but I guess that's true, right?

Bart Sibrel: 15:05

I hear from people you know, know the moon landings must be real because they wouldn't lie about such an important thing yeah I mean, they already killed their president, they already faked the beginning of a war that led to the death of 58 220 of their own soldiers without reason. So I don't think they're gonna have a problem faking a video image sometimes I don't think that's too sacred for them.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:25

Any big event or tragedy, or especially something leading to a war, not being set up by something fake would be like the outlier at this point, with all the examples.

Bart Sibrel: 15:34

Yeah, I know, every time I hear a conspiracy theory. I remember I heard about chemtrails. I'm rolling my eyes, oh, not another one. And then I went through a period of six months or more where I woke up about an hour before sunrise don't live anywhere near the airport. I got to my front balcony and there's a grid in the sky every morning, except two days out of the year I guess Christmas and Easter or something and I keep an eye on them and they widen and widen and widen and fill in the gaps and become this blanket cloud. And then I'm thinking that's kind of weird, you know. And that ended up being true, I mean, who knows? Then you hear the Titanic was sunk intentionally. And I'm rolling my eyes on. Here we go again.

Bart Sibrel: 16:15

And then you find out, while every person against the Federal Reserve was on board, they had just a number of ships for the women only, and that was in the day of chivalry, where men would give their seat to women. That's pretty convenient, you know. And really you know, if someone was given I mean, I don't know how much that cost in today's dollars, but these are trillionaires and to assassinate, I mean let's just say they did it for that I don't know, to assassinate all those people in one fell swoop, for you know, a billion dollars is probably a pretty good deal, you know right. So what can you do? I don't know. The thing about the alien invasion is similar in that to the moon landing fraud. It's done by this, you know, the same person is blowing the whistle on it and it has spiritual implications, as you know.

Bart Sibrel: 17:05

From the homepage of Sobrellecom I show a funny thing happened on the way to the moon which begins with the Tower of Babel. Jesus said when you start to build something and you never finish it, it's a proclamation that you're a fool. And so the fact that the Tower of Babel was never finished is kind of a rebuke. And the fact that they put in print the ship that God himself cannot sink, about the Titanic and that it sunk, is a rebuke. And this rebuke about the moon landing fraud hasn't come out yet. It's not officially known, it's not part of the record yet, but it might be.

Bart Sibrel: 17:41

And then, if my book, you know, supposes that maybe aliens are really fallen angels who are liars they can make up, they're from some galaxy far, far away. You can never prove or disprove it, right. And if that's the case. And then you see the World Economic Forum logo has three sixes in it, which isn an accident. I mean, these people literally worship Lucifer and Lucifer is a fallen angel. Then there's the ancient alien show that says we were made by aliens, which is really Lucifer, which is, they're saying, lucifer made Mankind and just like, becomes all the more crazy and yet real and it's's like what can you do? We live in a world that's crazy, crazy, loss 100%.

Bart Sibrel: 18:30

Yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:33

So buckle up and repent while there's still time You're under the impression that there are. You know they're going to present alien beings to us, but they're just going to be demonic entities or fallen angels.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:42

Right yeah, it's just going to be all fake, because I feel like're just going to be demonic entities or fallen angels, right, yeah, I mean it's going to be all fake, because I feel like there's going to be, you know, they're going to try to reveal some sort of hey, these, these are our brothers, or they're going to save us, they're going to help us and teach us?

Bart Sibrel: 18:56

yeah, I think there could be something like that. Actually, tom that you know, there was that twilight zone episode to serve man and they were tall.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:04

Great episode.

Bart Sibrel: 19:05

And they came, you know, to quote, help us. But that was, you know, a disguise. And there was a student who did the, I guess, genealogical study of all the presidents of the United States and she found out, going through half a million names, that all the presidents except one at that point of the study were of the same bloodline. So Moon man is interactive, as you probably know. It has 17 video links that you can see at Sobrellecom. I write a chapter and it's like well, then, watch this link and then you'll know what I'm about to talk about. The Alien book, aliens from Planet X, which just came out. I read it in audio and then, of course, kindle in print. It has 29 links and one of them is of this girl's study from her high school project. And then, when you combine that with Genesis, I think 315, god speaking to Lucifer telling him that, because he tempted mankind into sin, that there would be war between the seed of Lucifer, which always means future offspring, the seed of Abraham, and the seed of Adam. So it says, right, there there's two bloodlines. And then Genesis 6 says angels intermarried with humans and created a deformity called the Nephilim, which were tall People who have angel visions even of good angels, say they're tall and apparently that's their bloodline. And maybe the world leaders are of that Luciferian bloodline and have throughout the generations weeded out the height this year. Or maybe they're half-bred.

Bart Sibrel: 20:47

It's interesting during people's alleged alien abductions that note that their sperm and eggs are being harvested. Well, in Leviticus 19.19, it says don't make GMOs, don't crossbreed species, don't take an unclean eel and put it into salmon and call it clean. And so when you do that, when you break the command of God, when you take, let's say, a horse and a donkey to make a mule, the mule is sterile. And what a surprise. Since they've introduced GMOs into the food supply, fertility rates have dropped by 65%, two-thirds. So if this is true, that means when you take an angel and a human and get a Nephilim, the Nephilim is sterile. That's why they're harvesting sperm and eggs during their quote, alien abduction. So I suppose if these fallen angels have been around for thousands of years, they would. I mean, just imagine if we did go to the moon in 1969, imagine the technology we'd have a thousand years after that. Quite significant right. So maybe these UFOs are real that come out of the ocean.

Bart Sibrel: 22:04

But according to the top two UFO researchers, one American, one French. They said UFOs are indeed real, but they're not from outer space, they're from Earth and they think they're demonic. Why is it, during an alien abduction, when someone evokes the name of Jesus, the aliens run away. Why would Buddha, muhammad, bart, tom, mike matter to them? Right, if they're aliens from another world, right?

Bart Sibrel: 22:33

And so the latest intellectuals want to believe we were made by aliens because DNA has proven that all humans came from one woman and no one before her. She suddenly appeared. So they. That's just like the bible says. So they came up with this. You know ancient aliens? They never ask. Well, if we were made by aliens, who made the aliens? Right? And it says in, I guess, isaiah 14 that lucifer wanted to become god. So if we're, if we're made by aliens and aliens are Luciferian, then they're saying mankind was made by Lucifer. It's really remarkable. And these world economic forum people never say there's no God, never say there's no Lucifer. They just say don't follow Jesus and don't obey the Bible, right? So who are they following?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:20

then we know who.

Bart Sibrel: 23:22

Yeah, they're pretty smart so they're not following something imaginary, right? So you know, I remember walking out of the Truman Show 30 years ago whenever it was saying this is the dumbest plot I've ever seen, not possible, ridiculous. And now I watch the film once a year and cry every time. But if someone told me, you know, there's a script where the nation that all immigrants want to come to that's, you know, considered to be the greatest kills their own president, starts wars with made-up reasons, fakes the greatest accomplishment of mankind, you know I'd say, pass, give me something realistic. And now we have to add to the you know ridiculousness and hard to believe-ness that they literally worship lucifer.

Bart Sibrel: 24:13

And one of the links at sabrellcom you can see all 29 links to aliens from planet x right now for free is the world economic forum logo. I mean that's a billion trillion dollar organization and there's three O's, one in world, one in economic, one in forum, and this half circle going through all the three O's kind of offset so that it forms three sixes. Google is three sixes. Cern, trying to get down to the God particle open another dimension maybe where the demons are, has three sixes. So it sounds crazy the world leaders worshiping the devil, but apparently they do, and it sounds crazy that there are two bloodlines, literally one satanic and one you know from humanity, from God, but it says so in Genesis 3.15.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:06

And.

Bart Sibrel: 25:06

Genesis 6 says the sons of God, which is angels, intermarried with the daughters of men and created a race of deformed giants. That's what it says, and so be it. Is that any harder to believe than angels exist or God exists, or that anything exists right?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:25

No, it's spot on. It's told in a lot of different ways whether people want to go, oh, reptilians or aliens or demons, this that I think you eventually do reach the conclusion that, oh yeah, it's run by satanic elite and, like you said, they're smart, they know what they're doing, they're not going to put a bunch of power into nothing and that means the alternative is definitely true and the name of jesus, kind of ending extraterrestrial encounters, you do realize, oh man, like a lot of uh, a lot of the stuff that they try to skew us away from us, is that one percent? Like they could tell us it's aliens, they could tell us it's beings from another planet, interdimensionals.

Bart Sibrel: 26:05

Anything except what, uh, makes the most sense demons and angels and I I bring in planet x into the new book and it's called aliens from planet x, because I've also studied what rogue planets are for a couple of decades and statistically there's two to eight rogue planets for every solar system. So our solar system has at least two rogue planets that may have been captured as they went by and formed an elliptical orbit, and I talk about this in the book. Prior to 705 BC, the Earth's year was 360 days. Every calendar had a 360-day year the Hebrews, the Mayans, the Chinese and then, after 705, something happened. They changed it to 365 and a quarter days, I believe, because planet X came by the earth, pulled it slightly further away from the sun, causing the increase in days.

Bart Sibrel: 27:03

But prior to that, that means that the earth's year had 12 months, 12 tribes of Israel, and each month was exactly 30 days. So how could you argue against divine creation? You couldn't. You would have to say some much higher power made months exactly 30 days in 12 of them. It can't happen by chance. So the rogue planet, which I believe symbolically represents the devil, the rebel, the rogue you see, rogue angel destroyed the testimony of divine creation. And there's a powerful telescope, the most powerful in the world run by the Jesuits, and it's called the Lucifer Telescope.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:50

Can't make it up.

Bart Sibrel: 27:51

And one of their members on his deathbed said they're tracking an object that will play a significant part in end time events. I think they're tracking planet Lucifer, planet X. Now, I believe it's a dead world. They're tracking planet Lucifer, planet X Now, I believe it's a dead world. However, just like a magician, will you know, put your hand his hand here while he's doing something behind his back.

Bart Sibrel: 28:11

If planet X shows up and that they choose that timing to reveal the quote aliens, which have been here all along, they can claim why and say well, they came from this planet passing by, you see, and that's when they visit Earth. Whenever it comes by, that's their spaceship, which I believe is not true. And additionally, it could cause catastrophic events, meteor storms. I know from a military source they can fake an asteroid strike. Remember the next thing that von braun said they're going to have an asteroid threat. There's some real ones, and they can fake them as well.

Bart Sibrel: 28:52

So you mentioned, tom, that they might, you know, the aliens, fallen angels, might appear to be our saviors by rescuing us. They might rescue us from a comet, asteroid, rogue planet, something like that, and claim you know, that's proof that they're, you know, benevolent, but just like in the Twilight Zone episode. They had an appearance of being benevolent, but that wasn't the case at all. That's part of their deception. Just like every child molester appears to be friendly right to kids and every person who robs a bank appears to be a customer right, the world is run by wicked people. That's never not been the case in the history of mankind. There's never been a time when world leaders had the people's best interest in mind. Never More genocide has happened in the last hundred years than the 6,000 years before it combined.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:44

Have you ever gotten into Tartaria?

Bart Sibrel: 29:47

I don't know what that is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:49

No, I've never heard of that. That there was like a. It's largely based around like architecture and thinking that there was a sort of a global empire at a point, or like a high society. Whether it was like free energy you can maybe call it Atlantis or something like that but they call it, like the mud flood or something, that there was some sort of cataclysm more recently, that there may have been a higher society. Whether it was like spiritually advanced Some people even speculate it was a very Christian kingdom or it was a even like the reign of Jesus on Earth. That they deceived us with the timeline too, earth, that they deceived us with the timeline too. That's something I think you'd be really interested in too, because it basically talks about not just faking events but faking the whole timeline of history and maybe even covering up, uh, jesus's reign on earth. That's in the bible too, like a thousand year reign. But yeah, that's a a whole other theory.

Bart Sibrel: 30:42

I was just wondering if you got into that at all yeah, I mean, I would think the thousand year reign is in the future, definitely. However, that doesn't mean they're not lying to us about dinosaurs or what the Egyptians could do. There's a famous architectural find called the Baghdad Battery, and it's so fragile they x-rayed it because they were afraid it would disintegrate if they took it apart and it looks pretty much like a big car battery and it's thousands of years old. Then there's the hieroglyphics that really do look like light bulbs and helicopters. I mean, what's that about? And so, who knows, there could have been some advanced civilization in the past.

Bart Sibrel: 31:20

The book of Enoch, which is potentially a scriptural book because it was in the Bible in Jesus's day, says that the wicked fallen angels taught mankind certain technology, including some ungodly things weapons, of war, makeup, pharmacology All that was taught by fallen angels to mankind and one of the reasons that God's wrath is against them. Apparently, enoch went to them on their behalf, to God, and asked you know, if they repent, will they be forgiven and not be destroyed? And God said no, and Jesus prayed. He said blessed are you who are here with me, who believe, but more blessed are the people who never see me in future generations, who believe through the word. And so God, I believe, chose to be invisible, because life is simply a test of faith. That's why the Bible says if you really love God, you'll obey the commandments.

Bart Sibrel: 32:30

And you know, raiders of the Lost Ark 3,. He figured out the first one, to step on the stones. That spelled out. Jehovah figured out the second one, to duck. So the blade didn't come off his head, but the leap of faith he couldn't figure out and he had to simply step off. And that's why, in a way, we're saved by faith. People who hold on to their life will lose it, and people who lose it for what is right will live forever. And whoever you know faked the moon landings, doing these little things that they're doing that are corrupt, they will gain the world, but they'll lose their soul and I feel sorry for them.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:12

For that being the case, I can't wait to dig into your new book, so that's going to be a new fun project for me here coming up. I don't know if I've ever heard you or your opinion on if there is any or what the moon is. A lot of people think it might be an artificial hollow satellite where some of these beings may reside. A lot of people say, like a lot of remote viewers have said, that on the dark side of the moon there's life there. I was just wondering what your opinion or what your studies have led you to believe.

Bart Sibrel: 33:44

I wouldn't trust any remote viewer. I think they're remote viewing satanic entities that are claiming aliens. I think the moon is solid and it doesn't matter. You know, I think a lot of these are distractions to get people to believe in aliens. The last time I was in a hotel, I think to do an interview in San Francisco, flipping through the free HBO movies, and three of the ten were about aliens from outer space, you know.

Bart Sibrel: 34:15

So if three of the ten movies were about how great the president is, or three of the ten were about how terrible the president is, you could see there's an effort to control what we believe. They want us to believe in aliens and that's why they're not real. I mean the number one proof of Stephen Greer, the guy who goes around saying aliens are real. Aliens are real. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's sincere but sincerely wrong, just like all the scientists who believe we went to the moon. They're sincere but sincerely wrong. And he says it's number one proof that aliens are real, as the apollo astronauts told himself. You see, and that's an indication right there that they're not real. First of all, the guy thinks the moon landings are real. So if he can't discern the truth from that and believes the exact opposite. I say he believes the exact opposite about aliens because the source is the same person the blind Apollo astronauts. One of the people on the list at Cannon Air Force Base that I got from the chief of security who I witnessed when filmed the fake moon landing there in 1968 was a guy by the name of Robert Ammenager who worked for the Deep State, who went around his whole life saying the moon landings are real and so are aliens. He produced a show with Rod Serling promoting the idea that aliens are real. They want us to believe that. They want us to believe life is everywhere.

Bart Sibrel: 35:45

Well, one of the clips of Sobrellcom I think it's the first of 29 clips of this book is a radio telescope scientist saying look, we've pointed radio telescopes in every direction of the universe for 50 years. Not a single radio signal. He says we're it, we're it. And the Bible seems to indicate that as well. It says in Revelation 21.3 that when the new heaven and new earth is made, where sin will never happen again, that God will personally dwell with mankind. Well, it says about four times in the Bible that God shows no partiality. So if there are other worlds and intelligent beings there, but he chooses to live with us and not them, then he's shown partiality. Intelligent beings there, but he chooses to live with us and not them, then he's shown partiality. The only way he can live with us and not show partiality is if we're it, and that's actually what science indicates. If there's intelligent life, I'm sure they've invented walkie-talkies and radios and tv and so just like we have, but there's not a single signal after 50 years coming from anywhere in the universe, because there's no one there. And what a surprise.

Bart Sibrel: 36:52

The government wants us to believe the exact opposite, I mean at any given time. I mean I haven't been to a movie theater in a long time, but you know how they have those posters out front. I bet you could go. You know, pick the first day of the month for the next 12 months. I bet one of those 25 films will be about aliens for the entire year. So there's always this alien stuff out there.

Bart Sibrel: 37:19

They want us to believe in it, which is further proof it's not true. They want us to believe life is everywhere, and the exact opposite is true us to believe life is everywhere, and the exact opposite is true. There are scientists who did a study to have the, you know, the earth in the right place in the soul system, right place in the galaxy, and the dna and the atom have. All that line up would be like winning the powerball lottery 20 times in a row. It's just not going to happen. He says life is not abundant, it shouldn't even be on Earth, it has to be by divine creation. And he concludes what the scientists did, who had no belief in God, we're it.

Bart Sibrel: 37:59

And so the lying government wants us to believe the exact opposite. And apparently they're setting us up for alien disclosure, you know, and they can release morsels to alternative media, people. You know military source set and UFO footage. You know this, that and the other, and we can be deceived as well. And according to the top two UFO researchers, ufos are real but they're just not from outer space. They've been here all along, and what better place to hide than in the ocean right and to build a vehicle that can go underwater and above air? And if they've been around for 6,000 years, maybe they're anti-gravity. It doesn't mean they're from outer space. That's an assumption.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:40

So, bart, the other day I'm watching I think I'm watching on Amazon Prime, and a commercial comes up. And when did you know? There's a new movie coming out starring channing tatum, and it's called fly me to the moon. And it's all about what if the government faked the moon landings and I was. I'm like this. This, you can't make this up. I mean this, this is really happening. They're really coming out with this movie well, but are they really saying that?

Bart Sibrel: 39:12

Well, I think there's not much about the movie. Well, all I'm saying is, my suspicion is the following Right, okay.

Bart Sibrel: 39:18

From the trailer. The person says we're filming a fake moon landing as a backup. Right, because in November the smartest in the world, google's neural network multiple ais hooked together after decades of research, billions of dollars has a deep fake detector program. And it said the pictures from the chinese probes on the surface of the moon are real and the apollo pictures from the nixon administration are fake every single one of them. So other computers are showing that they can analyze fake background shadows intersecting and the Apollo pictures from the Nixon administration are fake, every single one of them. So other computers are showing that they can analyze fake backgrounds, shadows intersecting when they should be parallel in sunlight. So what do they do now? They don't want to admit the moon landings are fake.

Bart Sibrel: 39:59

So my suspicion is the film might actually say okay, we filmed it as a backup, but we really went and somehow the fake footage got mixed in and that's why the pictures are fake. Well, first of all, if you're really going to the moon, you would never fake any of it, because then you could be accused of faking the whole thing. And they don't really care if footage was destroyed, because during the alleged landing we hear live audio from Neil Armstrong 50 feet up, 20 feet up. Here we are, but why not video? I mean, they're both radio signals, so if you can send one you can send the other.

Bart Sibrel: 40:36

You know, if they were really there, there would have been a camera mounted on the side of the lunar module. There would have been a camera on the side of the rocket. For the entire voyage to the moon you could turn on your TV 24-7 and get that moon getting bigger and bigger, bigger, all the way down to landing, without a single edit. When, in fact, during the alleged landing, they showed an Atari type of spacecraft landing, it said simulation on the screen and all we heard was audio. The next thing, you know, a TV picture pops open and there's a lunar module which we know was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base. So I have this suspicion that they're trying to explain why the pictures are fake, but trying to reassure people that they went anyway. We'll see if that's what the case is. We'll know in a couple of weeks.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:21

It's exactly where I was kind of thinking they were going to go to, because, yeah, like you said, they kind of in the short trailer they say that uh, they're kind of filming it as a backup. So I think you're exactly right, I think you nailed it. Uh. I wanted to bring it back, though. You mentioned a couple times that the two most famous ufo researchers and of course I know the one- is jacques valet. Who is the american that you think that you're talking?

Bart Sibrel: 41:47

alan hy Alan Hynek.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:48

Oh, hynek, okay, All right.

Bart Sibrel: 41:50

Yeah, I should have known. And you know they're doing their research independently and in different countries and different places and they've done, I guess, about four decades of research each. And when they both independently come to the same conclusion, I say they're the experts right, they said number one, UFOs are real. Number two they're the experts right, they said number one, UFOs are real. Number two, they're not from outer space, they're from earth. And number three, they're demonic. Then everything falls into place the two bloodlines from Genesis 3.15, the fallen angels creating the Nephilim. They become sterile, just like breeding two animals together the offspring is sterile and then that explains the bloodline that this person discovered.

Bart Sibrel: 42:34

Of all the presidents except one, Vote for a Nephilim Republican or Nephilim Democrat, we get you either way. I mean, just ask Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul if they can get a fair shake. They can't. Bernie Sanders got twice the votes, as Clinton did, continually, continually, and yet he got half as many delegates. Well, those are just our rules, isn't that illegal? I mean, you're using tax dollars for the primary voting machines and the voting staff or metro workers of those counties.

Bart Sibrel: 43:02

How can that be legal? It's not, and neither is the government selling technology or giving it to China that Congress forbids, so they won't blow the whistle on the moon landing fraud, which is a source that the Chinese Space Agency told me. They're blackmailing NASA in exchange for not exposing the moon landing fraud, which apparently they have pictures of from their own probes. You know, China has their own intelligence division and just because they say they landed a probe over here doesn't mean they also landed one over here Taking pictures of the empty, you know, Apollo 11 landing site, Apollo 12 landing site, Apollo 14 landing site, and they're all turning up empty. You see the coordinates that they can prove. You see, so they're blackmailing us and that's another good reason for the truth to come out, another good reason for it to be known.

Bart Sibrel: 43:55

Now, whether it will come out, I don't know. I think spiritually. You know, from a spiritual point of view, it might. The Tower of Babel rebuke was known, the Titanic rebuke was known. This is not known yet. I have a spiritual sensation that it might come out. However, what they might do from a secular point of view, as they've delayed returning to the moon 10 times so far, they'll just keep postponing it, postponing it, postponing it until Earth is hit by a comet or asteroid or rogue planet, at which point there won't be any electricity, clean drinking water and no one will care who shot Kennedy or if the moon landing is real or not at that point.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:38

That's probably their plan. I never put it together what you did earlier about the abductees, how they claim that sperm and samples of their ovaries are taken and how Nephilim wouldn't be able to reproduce. I think that's a really ingenious connection that you made and I was wondering have you ever looked into cattle mutilations? Because oftentimes their reproductive organs are taken too, and I was wondering if you think maybe there can be a connection with that.

Bart Sibrel: 45:09

Well, some of that might be done by the government to make it look like aliens are real. Remember, they want us to believe in aliens. They faked the moon rocks to convince us they were on the moon. They could have an undercover CIA agent infiltrate farmers in Maine and they can import dirt from Maine and put it under the city Boise agent's fingernails to make it look like he's a real farmer. They did fake moon rocks somehow, either by lunar meteorites collected in Antarctica, which von Braun was seen doing, or a ceramics factory, and one of them got proven to be fake. As you know, neil Armstrong picked up a rock that he said he personally put in his pocket from the moon service, personally gave it to the prime minister of the Netherlands and they opened it up 30 years later and it was a piece of petrified wood. So unless trees are growing on the moon, then they picked something that kind of looks odd that you know they figured would never be opened, and so I wouldn't trust these cattle mutilation things. They could be a psyop to convince people about aliens. They could. I mean, if spacecraft could travel hundreds of light-years right now I'm sure they have the ability to be optically invisible. Right, the military has that ability today, so I'm sure a spacecraft could be invisible and an alien would never be seen.

Bart Sibrel: 46:32

So why are UFOs seen all the time? Because they want to be seen. Yeah, it's true, a UFO or an aircraft can't go from 50,000 feet to five feet above the ground in one second, but a video projection sure could. So maybe that's what it is. I suspect that's what it is. I've been a filmmaker for 40 years, looking at images on monitors thousands and thousands of hours, and a lot of that alleged UFO footage looks fake to me that people want to believe. People wanted to believe that men are on the moon, right? A scientist told me, even if Neil Armstrong confessed it was fake, he'd still think he walked on the moon anyway. And people want to believe in the League of Planets and Star Trek because it's fascinating and interesting, and so whenever they see footage it must be real. A lot of it looks fake to me and they could be invisible if they wanted to. So if they're being seen, that's because they want to be seen, which means they want you to believe in them, which means it's a saya.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:35

That's what it means a lot of it looks super fake, comically fake. You know, when I was a big ufo nut too, I'd be like, oh that's amazing did you see that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:43

like, yeah, it's. It's a bit of a self-hypnosis the, the? U. It's like they wanted to stir up that conspiracy. Now all the conspiracy theorists that are hip to it are like, nope, they're tricking us. Ufos are demons. Now we don't want to believe what they're telling us about UFOs. After all this time they tried to trap people. You think they faked Roswell then too.

Bart Sibrel: 48:04

Not necessarily. It's possible. It's possible that that you know, zoom in on the guy's, you know pocket of the letter could have been contrived. It's possible and they might be that clever. It's my suspicion that if these fallen angels have been around for thousands of years, to the point of building zero gravity aircraft, that can also be a submarine, which I would guess with 6,000 years of trial and error you could do and if they're harvesting sperm and eggs to make test tube Nephilim, right, and breeding out the height so that our world leaders might be literally Nephilim protecting a bloodline, might be literally Nephilim protecting a bloodline, then I think they could probably create biological worker beasts. So Nephilim are tall, but the gray men are short and frail looking, which means if they rebel they're easy to deal with. Right, you're big, they're small, you're strong, they're thin and anemic looking, right.

Bart Sibrel: 49:11

So I suspect the little gray men are the worker bees of the fallen angels. They're biological machines that are bred, contrived, in such a way to follow orders, to be compassionless. Right, they're dissecting people's sperm and eggs from humans, screaming. Right, they don't seem to care. Maybe that could be bred in as well. They can do this with foxes. They have two groups of foxes, one that will snap at you, you know, and just act like they're rabid. Another that'll come and, you know, want to cuddle with you, and they've figured out how to alter that behavior genetically. And you don't want to cuddle with you, and they figured out how to alter that behavior genetically and breed one form of behavior in another. So maybe Roswald was one of their crafts crashing. I mean, they are mechanical. Even if they're zero gravity, which means they're not infallible, they can crash. So maybe the little great men in Roswald was true and those were the worker bees of the fallen angels. And oops, they got discovered. And that's also advantageous for the lie of that. They're from outer space, you know. They could have even intentionally crashed the thing and let it be discovered and then show up.

Bart Sibrel: 50:25

There's that story of Eisenhower meeting with, you know, aliens at Edwards Everest Base. Maybe that happened, maybe they're being lied to. They are liars, right? People who meet say they met with aliens, say they lie all the time and so they're not going to say they're fallen angels. They're not going to say we worship Lucifer. That would freak everybody out. They have this technology that we don't have. They can claim it comes from 300 light years away. How can we prove or disprove it right? So I believe they're potentially lying to government leaders and claiming to be extraterrestrial and we'll give you the technology in exchange for letting us abduct half a million children in here. Who knows what's going on?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:07

Probably something pretty close to that.

Bart Sibrel: 51:10

Yeah, so these people are ruthless. They run the world. But you know, it's interesting that liars can believe a lie. The Bible says in the last days, people will be deceived and deceive themselves. Right, there's that scientist who says, even if Neil Armstrong confesses that the moon missions are fake, he'd still think they were real anyway. You know, and people who worship Lucifer Lucifer may have told them he can grant them eternal life. Don't worry about it, I got it all worked out and they're believing a lie. Lucifer will eat his second in command to live one second longer.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:49

I'm surprised they don't know that wow, yeah amazing I'm sure you know about the lucius trust. That's like a organization behind the, I think the united nations or or the uh world economic forum, the lucius trust and it's all about, like they're saying it's metaphorical but the whole basis of their organization is around lucifer and the light bringer and spreading the light to the world and stuff. And that's who's behind the united nations or behind uh some like big globalist foundation. It's crazy. They're not hiding it at all yeah, the lucifer telescope.

Bart Sibrel: 52:26

It was, like you know, congressional law, something like 06-06-06. That had to do with, you know, biological identification under the skin. There's a world patent along the lines of 666 that does the same thing. There's 666 on barcodes.

Bart Sibrel: 52:44

Revelation 13 says the Antichrist forced. Everyone being forced is different. This medicine that they've been promoting and the illness you don't even have. Many people, including alternative media people I've done interviews with, say well, I was forced to take it. That's not true. You're deceiving yourself. No one was forced, unless you're held down, kicking and screaming and injected with the medicine that's being forced. You traded permission to travel for getting the shot or permission to keep your job for getting the shot. No one was forced to do it.

Bart Sibrel: 53:20

And so the Bible says in Revelation 13 that people are forced to buy and sell with the mark of the beast. So in the book of Daniel, everyone bowed down to the statue of gold. Second commandment don't bow down to man-made statues. So if some strong man pushes my shoulders down to the ground and I kneel, am I willfully worshiping the idol? No, I don't think God will hold me against that. Am I willfully worshiping the idol? No, I don't think God will hold me against that. So it says he forced everyone, rich and poor, slave and free, that they could not buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Well, it's a fact that every barcode starts with a longer number that's not numbered, and then there's a longer number in the middle that's not numbered, and there's a longer number at the end that's not numbered, and there's a longer number at the end that's not numbered, and they're the same. And if you can find a six somewhere in the barcode and look above it and slightly to the left, that's the six. So every barcode starts with a six, has a six in the middle and ends with a six. He forced everyone, small and great, rich or poor, that they cannot buy or sell without 666 on it, and that's been going on for about 40 years.

Bart Sibrel: 54:34

Try to buy a can of soup, or even now produce comes out with a barcode or a Bible, it'll have a barcode on it. We don't have a choice right, we're forced to do that. You could say we can't buy a can of soup without a barcode on it, you know. So I don't think God's going to hold us against that. However, it's a fulfillment of prophecy. To the lector I would say that's pretty remarkable and there may be more than one mark of the beast. You know people. I remember meeting a guy at church who says you know, I wrote a book about revelation and this is absolutely what it means. That's how I knew not to read the book and not to trust her.

Bart Sibrel: 55:14

You know there are people who say it all happened before AD 70. There's a people who say it's going to happen at the end. There's a people who say it's all symbolic. There's a people say it's all literal and I say what if it's all of those? What if it all happened before 70 AD for that generation? And it will all happen again for the last generation? What if it's both literal and symbolic?

Bart Sibrel: 55:39

You see, the church that changed to Sabbath right, go to SabbathTruthcom. The first, second and third century church kept Saturday. Look at any calendar. Sunday is all the way to the left, saturday is all the way to the right. It's the seventh day. It's Saturday.

Bart Sibrel: 55:59

The commandment in, I guess, exodus 20 says remember because people will forget. And around 363 AD, some church, powerful, most powerful church on earth, changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. They said that's our mark of ownership. You can call yourself Baptist or Lutheran, but if you worship on Sunday, you have our mark on you. Maybe another mark of the beast is Sunday. You see, that's a possibility. It could be multifaceted like a diamond with the mark of the beast. Is the barcode the wrong Sabbath? It could be. You know, you're a palm print having to buy or sell something in the future. Who knows? And maybe it's symbolic the two witnesses right, the Old Testament and the New Testament, and maybe it's literal. Maybe there will be two prophets who were killed and their bodies are out there for four days. You know, and come back, right, the old testament and the new testament, and maybe it's literal. Maybe there will be two prophets who were killed and their bodies are out there for four days. You know, and come back to life. Who knows? Right, lucifer will fake miracles, it says, and god will probably present real miracles.

Bart Sibrel: 57:09

This is why reading your bible is so important. I don't think god abandoned. I mean it'd be kind of cruel. I give my kids the game of Monopoly and I take the rules out. They figure it out. How can you never figure it out? How would you know? I'm not going to be cruel. I'm going to give them the rules and God's going to give us the rules and it's very simple.

Bart Sibrel: 57:31

Jesus said love God with all your heart. And the Bible says loving God is obeying his commandments, it's his world right. And love your neighbor as yourself. Do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not lie. All that's loving your neighbor, you know, and obeying the commandments, one of which is the Sabbath, you know. Do not murder still valid. Do not commit adultery still valid, I think. Would nine of the ten be valid or ten of the ten? I bet ten of the ten are still valid. Right, god never changes. Right. He's the same yesterday, today, tomorrow. So these are discoveries I'm making as I go along. I used to think the moon landings are real. I used to worship on Sunday. I used to go to that church. That changed the Sabbath. I used to do a lot of things. I used to sleep around, I used to drink a lot. That's what repentance is. We can't be saved by our repentance, but we also can't be saved without it. Otherwise everyone would be saved. We have to prove we love God by letting go of the world, no doubt.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:31

I really think you should look into the Tartaria Bar.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:33

I think you would do great work on it, digging into it too, because a lot of what you said too and what we've discussed with some guests about the millennial reign is that they tricked us completely.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:49

Because I believe it says too after a certain point in Revelation that Jesus will reign on earth literally as for a thousand years. Some people think it's metaphorical or maybe literal, but they think that maybe you know, the 70 AD thing happened. Jesus came back right away because it was talking to those people at that time, had the thousand years and then, as the thousand years is up, it says what the devil is free to reign on earth for a little bit before Jesus comes back again to. You know, reclaim people after a short season is what they call it, the little season where the devil is allowed to reign. And it seems like we might be in that little season because we are run by wicked, wicked people like we've gone over a whole bunch and everyone in our community knows that we may, uh very well may, be living in the after that that couldial reign, that could be a deception, though it's an interesting thought.

Bart Sibrel: 59:39

Could they deceive us about the timeline of history? And they certainly could. But the Bible says that one of the signs of the end times is the gospel will be preached to every nation and then the end will come. And at that point the gospel had not been preached to every nation. So this is why you can be deceived. Jesus said let no one deceive you. Right, because there were many people who claimed the end is here. The Messiah is out in the desert, messiah is in the inner sanctuary. He says it will be visible to all, it will be be undeniable. And so the thousand-year reign puts it into the dark ages, where a certain church was killing people for keeping the Saturday Sabbath or owning a Bible. So that wouldn't happen during Jesus's reign. He says oh, rule the earth with a rod of iron. So I don't think it's happened yet. And if people are trying to get us to believe otherwise, then maybe that's one of the end-time deceptions.

Bart Sibrel: 1:00:36

This whole idea that people will be raptured away. That's so unbiblical, it's mind-boggling. It says very clearly that the dead in Christ will rise first, and until righteous grandmother comes out of the grave, then the end hasn't come. There is no secret rapture. The rapture is the second coming when people come out of the grave. So that how many, how many people believe these movies with Nicolas Cage in them or other people, where people are just going to disappear? It's not in the Bible. The Bible says the exact opposite. It says after the tribulation, then the end will come. It says it right there the dead in Christ will rise first, not people alive. It says it right there. This is why you have to know your Bible. My grandmother went to church seven days a week and said us such and such of this religion aren't into reading the Bible. I listen to preachers talk about, you know, the pre-tribulation rapture and it's so fascinating and symbolic and poetic. But it's just not true. This is why you have to know your Bible. This is how you're not deceived. It's pretty interesting.

Bart Sibrel: 1:01:50

I read my Bible over and over and over again, read it many times, from cover to cover, and still reading it. Last time I read the book of Isaiah. I don't know why it dawned on me, like the 10th time I read it, that it's about the last days. You know, I know Revelation is about the last days. I know Daniel's about the last days. Isaiah says the day of the Lord multiple times. You realize, in 1313 of Isaiah it says the earth will be moved out of its place. Well, what happened in 705 BC? The earth was moved out of its place and apparently it's going to happen again.

Bart Sibrel: 1:02:27

One of the links at Sobrellcom for the new Alien book is a Weather Channel special talking about rogue planets and how it could. If it just comes planet X between Jupiter and Saturn, some three quarters of a billion miles away, it could pull Jupiter further away from the sun, which would pull Earth further away from the sun, which would give us this incredible elliptical orbit causing super hot summers and super cold winters. That could happen. And one of the things I talk about is Janet Napolitano's resignation warning. Right, we have Eisenhower warning us his last day in office corrupt people in the government about to take over. Good luck. He never did anything about it for eight years for fear they'd kill him. Right, this is the scripture hold on to your life, you'll lose it. And that's what he did. He held on to his life so they wouldn't kill him and he could live with his grandchildren in his old age, but he sacrificed the life of 300 million Americans. You see, kennedy laid down his life for what was right. Eisenhower died too died selfishly, you see. And so we've got this potential that Planet X is going to happen. And it says in Isaiah 13, 13, the earth will be moved out of its place, and maybe that's going to happen again. And it seems like there's a big, you know, spiritual awakening about this. And so we have something similar to Eisenhower.

Bart Sibrel: 1:03:58

Janet Napolitano wanted to warn Americans too. She's Homeland Security Director. She knows a lot about what's coming. She said something very interesting the day she resigned. She says a natural disaster is likely on its way, the likes of which the united states has never before seen. My successor is going to need a big bottle of tylenol to deal with it. So there's three clues here. What's coming, what they're getting ready for, is a natural disaster. Secondly, it's a natural disaster that has never happened in the history of the United States of America. And there's a third, hidden clue it's a natural disaster that you could know about years in advance. Well, america has had volcanoes and earthquakes and hurricanes, and you can't predict those years in advance.

Bart Sibrel: 1:04:50

But you could predict a comet or an asteroid, you see, or a rogue planet. That, I think, is what they're talking about. That's why my opinion they did this little thing over the last three years and promoted a medicine for an illness you didn't have that their own vice president of the company selling it says might knock off a few million people. Right, if a comet or asteroid hits, half the world's population could die within a year. If they lower the population in advance of that event, gradually getting rid of elderly, young people, fat people, diabetic people, whatever, then they're kind of doing a pre-burn. That's my opinion as to why they're doing that little event Now to get ready for the cosmic event that Janet Napolitano warned us about and it's one of the links I talk about. I show her speech or that article and that's pretty serious warning and that's why I suspect they're just going to postpone putting off returning to the moon until something like that happens and no one's going to care whether we went to the moon or shot Kennedy. Maybe they'll reveal it. You know, new world order. While it does mean Illuminati, bilderberg Group, world Economic Forum and the Masons, it technically means there's a new order. So whoever's number one is not going to be number one anymore and number one economically and militarily is the United States of America. So it means America's got to be taken down. They could intentionally reveal that the moon landings are fake and crash the dollar, crash the stock market, crashed the reputation, right.

Bart Sibrel: 1:06:39

And Mike Adams? I did an interview with him when I was in Austin. He said something very interesting. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't get involved in politics, but he says pretty much everything that the US represents is a facade.

Bart Sibrel: 1:06:53

You know, in Hollywood, if you see these sets, they don't have rooms behind the buildings, on the street, it's just the front, it's just the front foot of the building and the rest is held up by two, by fours. The dollar is a fiat currency. The greatest accomplishment was done in a TV studio. Maybe the military, the ships, the airplanes, the atomic bombs that we allegedly have to defend ourselves? Maybe they're not as well built as we've been led to believe. How much more is just a fabrication? The stock market propped up, the dollar propped up the dollars propped up because of the military of the United States of America, the military threat. Right, people say, well, why don't the other nations, you know, spill the beans while we're being blackmailed. And just ask Gaddafi or Hussein or Noriega what happens when you turn on the United States of America? Right, but maybe it'll happen. Maybe they'll intentionally tell the truth about the moon landing fraud. Maybe there will be a civil war coming. Maybe that's all engineered to bring down to have a new world order. I can see it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:05

Yeah, no doubt You're amazing, Bart.

Bart Sibrel: 1:08:08

Well, my wife doesn't think so. She just got mad at me.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:11

They never do, they never do. But yeah, let everybody know the name of your book again and where they can find it.

Bart Sibrel: 1:08:19

Well, it's called Aliens from Planet X, and if you go to Sabrellcom that's my last name, s as in Sam I B as in boy R-E-L Sabrellcom, you'll see the moon book, which goes into great detail about the moon landing fraud. That's an audio kindle or print, and if you keep scrolling down and of course I read the book myself you'll come to the new book, aliens from planet X. The first half is about why aliens are more than likely not what they claim to be, not extraterrestrials. That's the experts opinion, not mine and then the second half. If planet X shows up in the near future, it would be a perfect opportunity to reveal the aliens and claim they came from this world. I also go into the potential dangers of a rogue planet coming near the Earth, pulling it further away from the sun, causing meteor storms, earthquakes, volcanoes, and so that book has 29 interactive links and you can get the book and see the links right now at Sibrelcom.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:25

Awesome. Is there anything else you got, Tom?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:28

Thanks for coming back, bart, you're the man. Awesome conversation.

Bart Sibrel: 1:09:31

No problemo, glad to do it. Hope you're feeling better there, mike. Thank you, hope your audio gets improved there, tom.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:39

I don't know. We've been having some issues on my end with the past couple episodes. They just cut out a little bit and I tried to put headphones on and it still didn't work, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

Bart Sibrel: 1:09:49

Oh no, you always wonder. I did an interview the other day and it was a pretty well-known podcast and they were having all sorts of technical problems and then when I showed the video of the confession of, you know, the moon landing fraud, the audio didn't work. You know, it's kind of interesting, you know, I don't know, they seem really hard, they seem really upset, since the rogan interview, that that it's resurfaced that they did fake the moon landing.

Bart Sibrel: 1:10:15

Now there's all these videos, you know, to debunk, uh, the fact that, uh, I'm saying we didn't go to the moon, which wouldn't be necessary if they really went with it yeah, he was gonna shut you up with the right care he thought he was gonna shut you up with the right hand all those years ago well, who knows, I've had divine help and, as he and as I go to in moon, in Moon man, some good guys in the government looking out for me as well, and we need to be prepared If there's a child molester on the loose, we need to protect our children and if our government is faking moon landing, faking this thing for the last three years, may fake an alien invasion, better get ready, you know, repent and and stockpile out your favorite brand of toilet paper you've been for years, so yeah, thank you so much, bart.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:08

Have a great evening god bless, god bless bart sabrell? Bart seems like a good dude, but did it not seem like sometimes, when I asked him a question, he would like totally either not understand what I was asking or totally like go in a different direction with his answer than what I what I asked? Did you notice that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:26

uh, a little bit the same same here. I think he just has his idea of what he wants to talk about, or the point that he wants to get across in his head. And he's our guest, he's gonna do his thing and that's why we bring him on here. It was definitely a little more intense to face-to-face talk with him than uh, on the first one, where we were just audio and he's uh, he's convicted in his beliefs for sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:52

Truther, gangster og for sure. It is totally different, right? Like looking at somebody and then just talking to them over the phone.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:00

It does give a way better read on, like how they feel about what they're talking about and what they're talking about, and I like it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:06

Yeah, it gives you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:07

I don't like it on camera most of the time, but I like having them and seeing them face to face.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:13

I feel weird looking at my imbalanced mustache and fucking unibrow shit on camera it gives you a better idea of, like when to come in too, like when they're going to stop speaking and uh, yeah, you know if, if they're an animated person especially- like yeah if they got good facials, then yeah, it's, it's way better and it's uh, you know what, the first few videos we started doing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:37

I didn't have the right setting on, so I only had the speaker would record now I have it to where everybody is shown, because a lot, of, a lot of times the reaction is the best part you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:49

But yeah, bart sabo, part two he doesn't, uh, doesn't believe in, um, flat earth, doesn't believe in flat earth and he doesn't believe in remote viewers. I always find it funny when I'm talking to someone who has I'm just going to say extreme beliefs as I do. I'm not saying that like in a disparaging way, but I always find it funny when I'm talking to someone who has extreme beliefs like myself, and when you propose to them a theory, they oh, that is absolutely crazy like oh okay, that's crazy, okay, well, what you think's totally like saying you know, I don't know, I'm probably guilty of it too, but you know what I mean.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:39

Oh it's funny. He told, like you know, when I proposed that he's like oh, that's crazy, I wouldn't believe them, it's all psyop. And then I, the cattle mutilations that's. I mean maybe, maybe it is, I don't know. I just i't know. What do you think cattle mutilations are?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:56

Besides the band, it could be the government faking it, and then it could be aliens doing a breeding program, fallen angels doing a breeding program, some type of hybrid entity type of thing. Yeah, something, something's up.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:10

Yeah, what do you know about Skinwalker Ranch?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:14:17

I mean, I've watched plenty of things about it. I know it's a high, strange activity orbs, ufos, apparitions, uh, poltergeist, fucking cattle, mutilation, stuff like that yeah dire wolf that's been extinct for 10 million years.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:30

They've found but remains of in dna.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:34

That's crazy, and there's been sight like, if you read the book, the family that sold it to bigelow in the early 90s, uh, they had an encounter with a dire wolf and one of the strangest accounts was that same family. The wife looked out her window one day and saw two dogs standing on two legs smoking cigarettes, like like people. Yeah, like seriously, bro, it's, and you know it's, it's weird. Just because they just released that harvard crypto terrestrial study. It was for like 46 pages. It was like a um, what do they call that? A multi-discipline study, you know across like psychology, cryptozoology, uh, it's like all this shit. You know it's, it's really good. I think there's like three professors involved and they're all. They're all published. You know it's legitimate from harvard and um, I haven't read, picked apart or read through the whole thing yet, but the gist of it is yeah there's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:38

They talk about fairies and how this shit's probably all real and they live here, so I can't wait to like really dig into that. But that's a crazy, crazy revelation, right became a christian.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:58

Shortly around the time that, uh he got punched by uh buzz aldrin. But I wanted to ask him if he would uh wish he struck him back or it would do it at this point in his life.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:03

But I think I know the answer already, so yeah I think if he would have struck him back, I think that they would have fucking probably prosecuted him for attempted murder yeah, sure, you know it would have been a bad day, a real bad day for him, you know. I mean as such. He got fucking smashed in the face, dude, they didn't do anything. He was the bad guy you know, in their eyes. What Unreal.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:27

Yeah, bart's a bro, not a very guest.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:30

Yeah, I asked him about Rogan and again, I don't think he quite understood what I was saying, but but kind of like what you said, it almost felt like he had his preset agenda. What do you want to talk about Cool? Um, I still can't wait to dig into his book, but uh, yeah so realcom hit us with a five star review.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:51

Share the show. Share the YouTube links, spotify, all the listening platforms. Follow us on social media. Do all those X and Instagram Two Truth Seekers. I'm Headhunter Higgins, he is Sawbuck Mike. We're also on social media individually. Check it out, message us, let us know if you'd want us to start an MMA channel. We're pretty knowledgeable in that arena too, as you guys know from our listeners and our episodes, and I know sometimes those don't get the best feedback. So what if me and Mike started our own channel or podcast solely dedicated to MMA? Let us know if you guys like the mixed format or if you want to hear us keep that separate.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:33

Yeah, that's a good idea. I like it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:17:35

It's our show, so we're going to do what we want anyway but we're hoping to hear what you guys want.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:41

All right, do all those things and stay away from pedophiles. Thank you, bye.