Dawson's Creek, S1 E7: Detention & Confessions

There's nothing like a Saturday morning detention to help teenage angst brew and boil over. Check out this episode of Dawson's Creek where (not so) secrets are revealed!

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Transcript

Dani Combs: 0:01

Hello listeners, and welcome back to our nostalgic or problematic series, where we are rewatching Dawson's Creek, and today we are on season one, episode seven, titled detention. Yes, here's the summary, the brewing conflicts among Dawson and his friends erupt during their detention. But we have another special guest, we have decided, well, I'll say Katie has decided, because her idea to begin with, that every time we have a special guest and we are doing a Dawson's recording after we make them watch the episode, even if they've never seen the show, because Carlos had never seen it, and Jen has never seen it, and she's never and she's

Jennifer Gregg: 0:44

here. So yeah, she was I started watching and I didn't even know who these people were. It was until halfway through the episode that I figured out whose name was what

Katie Parsons: 0:51

I feel like that's almost better, in a way, because you and I are just like, oh, and so and so, it's kind of funny when people like, Who is this person, and why does this person act like that. So yeah, that was pretty great. So Jen, when Danny and I kind of talk about these shows and review these shows, if you will, from a nostalgic or problematic lens, we have different rankings. So Danny's are smiley faces and frowny faces. Mine are hearts and exes. So did you come up with a scoring system of your own. I

Jennifer Gregg: 1:21

kind of did check marks and x's, but like I said, I like, wrote a few things down at the beginning of the episode, and then kind of got absorbed. And then the episode ended, and I went, Oh, I didn't write anything else.

Katie Parsons: 1:33

That's okay, though, because we're gonna talk about stuff too. And you might be like, Oh yeah, I liked that too, or whatever. So that's totally, totally cool. I always have opinions. There you go. That's why you went back over here. Well, do you want to go first?

Dani Combs: 1:45

Yeah, my first smiley face happened in the very first.

Katie Parsons: 1:48

I know what you're gonna say, because I bet it's mine too. What is it?

Dani Combs: 1:51

Et

Katie Parsons: 1:52

Yes. As soon as I saw that, I was like, Danny's right in this town too.

Dani Combs: 1:58

So there's an ET stuffed animal between Dawson and Joey on Dawson's bed, which is where all these episodes started. So aggravating as they're watching. Well, I didn't even notice that. Oh, I know, yes. And then they and then Joey references it.

Jennifer Gregg: 2:13

So I did write down, you know, being a mental health professional, I thought the line that he said when movies get too unrealistic depresses me. Was hysterical, hilarious. And then when she said, your favorite movie is et

Dani Combs: 2:28

was Katie is a writer, like she always writes down lines, take serious, some really good writing in this great is the 90s. So yeah, but I loved that et because he's a Steven Spielberg super fan. Okay, so Dawson is, yeah, Dawson in the show. Yeah. My favorite thing though about that scene, this goes with the ET, and then you could tell me yours was where Joey, like, totally schooled Dawson on the hypocrisy of sexual attraction. Because she was like, Oh, wow, it's fine for guys to be attracted to superficial stuff, like big boobs and blonde hair. But if girls are like, you just can't comprehend that girls might be attracted to superficial things, and guys to Dawson, and he's like, Yeah, romance. And she's like, Okay, that was really good. That was really well written, because it's like, you can't think that just like, yeah, it can go both ways, dude, like, yeah, yeah, exactly both the superficial and non superficial and as just like, an added, like, heart that I had, and I thought it several times as the episode went on, Dawson was extra cute in this episode. Oh, my God. I thought the exact opposite. What? Okay, we'll get there. I was like, it is really so great. Yeah, like his hair, and it like later, when I said he looks ridiculous, like when he played basketball, later, and his hair amazing. What are you talking about? Okay, fine, fine, fine, whatever. Okay, so our listeners know this Jen, but you don't. She is a Dawson fan. I am a Pacey fan. So

Jennifer Gregg: 4:08

we know and immediately, like the first thing I wrote on my exes was, I hate Pacey.

Dani Combs: 4:13

Thank you. He was such a jerk. Well, this episode was a little it was kind of a joke. I felt like not to jump ahead to frowny faces. There was a lot of toxic straight male bullshit in this show, like a lot. So I

Jennifer Gregg: 4:28

was like, I would have hit him in the face with a basketball too.

Dani Combs: 4:31

But also that, like, was not but also that, like, like, I felt like there was just so much toxic masculinity, straight male, stupid crap. Like, yeah, there was a lot of it. Yeah. Anyway, what else do you have for happy things? I know you got engrossed and then, but we usually don't have nothing, and then we great. We're just gonna toggle through our Zed and you just give us your opinion like pretty much zero. I

Jennifer Gregg: 4:57

did write down that I thought the line bigger joys. It was hysterical.

Katie Parsons: 5:02

Sometimes they like a faster car. Sometimes they like a bigger joystick. So funny, bigger joystick. Joey,

Unknown: 5:08

oh yeah, that

Jennifer Gregg: 5:09

was so good. The other line that I thought was funny was when she says that all something about all guys, like girls with blonde hair, big boobs and skinny arms. And then he was like, Jen, doesn't have, yeah, skinny arms.

Katie Parsons: 5:24

Really good. Does so well, yeah, and she does, she does okay. So one of my other lines that I really liked, I have a lot of lines that I liked from this episode, was in the locker room when, early on, when Pacey and Dawson are, like, Dawson's kind of like agitated with Pacey, and he said something about talking trash. And Pacey says, because he says, You were talking trash about me, that whole Oompa Loompa thing. And then Pacey goes, I don't talk trash. I recycle it. Oh yeah. I was like, yes, and recycle. I don't know you think of like recycling in that context. You know, like the recycle, reuse, like the whole phrasing then and then also, when Jen's talking about euthanasia, oh yeah, she says, yes, sometimes life's not great, sometimes life's a bitch. And she got the tension. So

Jennifer Gregg: 6:14

I actually put that whole euthanasia discussion as an ex because, yeah, because I totally was not down with the teacher, with the religious like, right? I had that in the classroom, and I was just like, what is happening? I think

Dani Combs: 6:30

that was supposed to be cringy. Like, yeah, it was. It was cringy for sure. Oh, sorry. I have been really bad. Usually, I'm really good about cursing on here in the past few episodes. It was a mumble. It was a mumble. It was a mumble. I was like, what? Forget it. I won't hear us. Okay, so I also didn't like that. But you know what? Like that is supposed to be, cringy, it was supposed to be, I think you were supposed to be on Gen side, yeah, I think it was supposed to be like, This guy's a jerk, religion of any kind into the classroom in a public school. Right, right. Okay, so happy face for me. Yeah. I was so excited because this is the episode that Abby comes in. Bitchy. Abby, yeah, she is literally thing I could think, because she's so pretty. She is pretty, but she is, like, legit awful every episode. And I just she was, like, such a fun villain to have. I was like, Oh, this is it. This is where she comes in. Yeah. And I was just And, did you see her white eyeshadow? Thank you very much. Yes, yes, for sure, white eyeshadow and the dark lip. Yep. Totally rocked that. Yeah, yeah. She was really, really angry, like, I thought she was really pretty. Who the hell does detention on a Saturday? Oh, our my school had Saturday Yeah, way, I don't know, never heard of that in my nine five, yeah, uh huh, dang Yeah. I know. I feel like nowadays you probably couldn't get away with I don't think you can anymore. I mean, like we had Saturday detention, those for the really bad so, like, the way detentions went in my school was you had after school detention, sometimes you had before school detention, then you had Saturday detention, and then you had, like, in school suspension, and then suspension and expulsion. Like, that's how the categories went. Yeah, ask me why I know, like, there were different levels of like, tardies was like, the biggest thing for us, like, so if you got to, like, a certain number of tardies, you had a before school or after school detention, and then if you had, like, more, like, she had excessive tardies, Abby, then you had to go on Saturday. Yeah, you know, it was like that, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I like Abby's character. She's here months. I hate her, but that's why I liked her. She was so just extra and awful. But I it was not even like, Oh, I hate her. It's like, she's it's just a lot. It's, yeah, I was a watcher. I wasn't

Jennifer Gregg: 8:43

sure if I really liked her acting honestly, because it was forced, almost. But maybe

Unknown: 8:49

that, but maybe when she comes back, I'll settle in. No, if you don't like her now, you go, I know you're not supposed to like, right, right, right. I'm like, also as a watcher, I was just like, oh God, when is she like, not on screen because I'm, like, over her, where's Josh? He looks so good in this episode. She does have some really great one liners every episode she's in. I'll just tell you that now, like that, and I will. I'm not gonna ruin anything. But the way she gets off the show is actually really awful, really. She's here for a while, okay, for a few seasons, but, um, I'll keep an open mind about her character. No, you don't have it's fine. I so I had a few like, so I said the basketball scene where they're like, playing, this is funny. I said it had Mighty Ducks vibes. And then they had the shout out, and then they referenced Mighty Ducks later, which Joshua Jackson was in, yes, when he's like, oh. But also, was this episode supposed to be an homage to the breakfast Yes, which is okay, I they even, I referenced it. They referenced it. But I was, I was like, Okay, so are they just like, literally referencing but then they were literally doing some of the exact same. Music and same music. So I was like, okay, so they really are, like, leaning into this. Yes, I liked that. I am a huge breakfast club fan. It was my number one favorite movie for the longest I've tried to rewatch it now, and I almost can't, because it is so problematic, but erasing all the problematic things, I love that movie and this, I remember when this Dawson's episode came out, I was loved it because it was such a shout out to the Breakfast Club. But they say in the episode, like, that movie sucked, and I'm like, Ah, and that's when they say the Emilio Estevez line, yes, no, he. And they're like, none of them ever went on to do anything. Well, I don't know that Emilio Estevez guy was in those ducks they were hilarious. And they were all like, that was, yeah, that was really cute. What else do you have for for happy? Well, I had that The Breakfast Club, detention vibes. Like, I love that, okay? And I know this is actually super terrible, and we would just record an episode about how, like, nicknames are not nice, and blah, blah, blah, but I'm sorry. When he called him oobalu, but I was crying, because then I couldn't stop seeing it like, then you're like, sorry, it tastes Vayner bee, yeah. Like, but I was just cackling and like, That is so funny. And like, but then, I mean, I do feel I mean, then it's a frowny too. Because, like, it really was a nickname Dawson hated, like, made him feel really bad about himself, yeah, and his best friend was like, Haha, it's funny. You should it's not that big of a deal. And I hate that when, when you tell somebody that something is a big deal to you, and they try and gaslight you, yeah, and tell you it's not, and you're like, Well, maybe it's not to you, but it hurts me, so stop it, agree. So that was a happy and then so Casey's, yeah, Pacey is like, attitude toward that in this episode. It's not the best, but the actual nicknamed it made me laugh. Sorry, that's a little funny. I put Joey's sweater in the detention scene, that yellow sweater with the diamond. I loved that fashion on this show. It was so cute. And also, I loved the stereotypical librarian, I know. Like, I was like, really? Like, she

Jennifer Gregg: 12:04

actually reminded me of my high school English teacher. Maybe it was all I could think of when I saw her. I

Katie Parsons: 12:09

was like, Oh, she was watching Days of Our Lives. And before they even said it was days of our lives, I knew it was days of our lives. It was like, Bo and hope and Sammy. And I was like, Oh, she's watching Days of Our Lives. And then later they were like, oh, okay, well, she's taped X number of episodes of Days of Our Lives. I was like, Yes, I knew it, which my mom used to record all my children. That was her soap, because she, you know, she was on her so she would tape it, and then, like, sit there and watch. And my grandma was a young and the restless, like, okay, but anyways, okay, happy face. Where was I? Oh, can we just talk about how Joey absolutely schooled those dumb jerk jocks? My god, that

Jennifer Gregg: 12:50

was the best. That

Unknown: 12:51

was good man. I mean, I gotta say we all knew guys like that in high school, right? I don't care where you live, I could still see them in my brain. I know their names, that's what you wanted to do to those fools. And she just did not care. She had no fear of them. She didn't care what they thought of her. She was like, I am done with you. I'm gonna put your lunch in your face. I'm gonna punch you. Yeah? That was true. It was true. I mean, that was so great. I just love it. Yeah, that was really good. I also saw a little reference to our candy episode in the library scene. Did you see it? Skittles? We didn't talk about Skittles. No. What was it? Abby's gum was juicy, juicy fruit. Yes, yeah. And I was like, gross, but yay. And she was like, Do you want a piece? They're like, Yeah, sure. She's like, hot, no, yeah. That was really, really good. Oh. And then she was talking about Oh. Abby was talking to Joey about the jerk that Joey there was lunch and punched him, Grant, whatever. And Abby says grant is a total fuck. And I was like, wow, that is such a time capsule. I feel like, even for like, the late 90s, I don't remember ever using that phrase that feels even older than that. No, I just can write that line, yeah. It made me giggle, fairly certain. He's like, Oh, I wish someone would call me this, right? She's gonna say he's a fox, yeah. I thought that was really funny. What else? Okay, so when they were playing truth or dare at the library, that was like, such, such a teen memory of playing truth or dare, because kissing was always involved in some way, shape or form. Oh, of course, right, yeah, I don't even care, like, even if something's gonna be like, go kiss the wall. Like, I don't know. Because go lick that. Yeah. Was always involved. So I remember watching that scene is like, of course, they're all gonna end up kissing each other. Like, Oh yeah, totally happened. But so that just made me laugh and but then it was also a frowny face, because I'm. Like, why? If you're dating someone be okay with being like, oh, yeah, sure, just go ahead and kiss this other person. Like, yeah, it was weird, especially as teenagers, because we were not evolved. We were not with polyamorous and I had a good laugh. So they have the part where Pacey and Jen kiss, and it's like, awkward and weird, yes, but then we Joey I got to kiss the music. Well, it's like,

Jennifer Gregg: 15:25

and they're all like, into it too. If it was a dare, you'd be like, just like, I know, touching lips and like, staying still. And these two are like, they're

Katie Parsons: 15:34

not feeling awkward at all. Would not happen, even if, like, they then, you know, that's what the show's hinting at, right? Like, there's these underlying feelings between them. But even if that were the case, yeah, wouldn't that would have still

Jennifer Gregg: 15:48

been right in front of all those other people, obviously, yeah,

Katie Parsons: 15:51

yeah, it would have been even more awkward. Like, what's gonna happen? Because I actually do, like, care about this person that way, or whatever, yeah? But I had a good laugh. The music started, and I was just like, I just started cracking up. I also put that there was a Wilt Chamberlain reference, yes, about basketball. He's like, you're out there being Wilt Chamberlain. And I was like, wow. Of like, all the names, like, you could have said Michael Jordan. Like, what? Who wrote that? Like, I just thought that was, like, really, really funny. Those are mainly my, my hearts.

Dani Combs: 16:25

Oh, I had one mostly, okay, let's hear them. Because it was just, I mean, I don't, it's not really a heart or a smiley or whatever. It was just funny to me. But also, growth was pacey's reason for detention. Y'all that story, I forgot that. That's why he was there, like, because I've recently rewatched this. It was, like, my third time watching them, and I was like, Oh, I forgot. And like, that's really funny, but also gross, because whatever we've talked about how gross it is to do anything in the bathroom at school, yeah. Let

Jennifer Gregg: 16:58

alone Yeah, let alone that.

Unknown: 17:01

But I was just dying. And then he, like, tells people I would never tell I would have made something else up. I would have made some right? And also,

Jennifer Gregg: 17:09

like, especially in front of Abby, who, you know was not, like, you better swear. Like, do you really think

Unknown: 17:16

she's gonna keep that secret? Said she had an orgy for being she's over

Jennifer Gregg: 17:20

in the corner, crossing her fingers,

Unknown: 17:23

yeah, yeah. They have that like, frame, but she's like, I was like, come on. But like, I also obviously, like, I think it was on purpose you knew her story wasn't true. Where all these guys she had an ordie with, why we just heard why would her? I know you're the other one that is like in detention for this. But, um, yeah, I thought that was funny. What else do you have that's all my smile. Okay, okay. But can we just stop for a second? And that's something I didn't write down. I am so glad I didn't have to write anything about the damn teacher on this episode. You came in such a good time a lot every I

Jennifer Gregg: 18:03

feel like I need to go back and watch them now and like, keep up and then listen to, like, what we've said about it after you watch them. So interestingly enough, I have listened to all of your Dawson's episodes. Oh how she knows I'm a true generation fan. I listen to everything, even if I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Well, thank

Katie Parsons: 18:21

you for your support. For that. We appreciate you. Well, then you should go back and watch some of those. Yeah, especially, gonna say we don't talk about the teacher this. No, we don't have to. She gone for now.

Jennifer Gregg: 18:33

And now that I know who Pacey is, I kind of need to go back and figure out this whole thing that I've been listening to you guys talk about. Yes, you do? You do?

Dani Combs: 18:41

Yes, all right, what's your first brownie? I already said one of mine, which was the toxic. What do you have? Generous, yeah, Jen has a lot. Oh,

Jennifer Gregg: 18:48

um, now that we've already kind of talked about all kind of things that I said the euthanasia discussion made me angry. Yeah, that's it. I just, I really didn't like so obviously, like it being my very first introduction to the characters. I literally, my only thought was like, why is Dawson friends with this idiot? Like, I'm like, as someone who I also had a nickname as a child that I did not like, that only my family would call me. And, like, I was mortified. If they used it in front of my friends, I would get really upset, yeah, um, and I so I kind of, I guess I kind of immediately identified with Dawson being upset about that. And then I was like, This guy's supposed to be his friend. Like, you're being an I know, sure, yeah. Like, that's why I said I would have hit him in the face too. But,

Unknown: 19:40

and I guess, like, the bigger context, right is that Pacey, obviously, is dealing with trauma that, yes, trying to kind of right, and I don't know any of that coming into those episodes, right? And also, like, Dawson's already self conscious about being a virgin, too, self conscious about it, in my opinion. But it is a huge like. Plot point of this whole season, at least, and and so, like, they're both coming at it from that way, but yeah, I would also be like, Why? Why do you even hang around that guy? He's a total jerk to you. Yeah, you know, well, I speaking of that at one of my frowns was Dawson whining the whole episode about Jen not sleeping with him like I want to feel wanted. He's like, I want you to what I want you, child. And then Joey's listening to all this, and she's like, hi, I do.

Jennifer Gregg: 20:35

He seems so clueless to that.

Katie Parsons: 20:38

Like, he's like, What is it, Joey, you can tell me. I'm like, Do you really not exactly,

Jennifer Gregg: 20:43

do you really not know what's happening here? Everybody else in the room knows what's happening here. Are you really that jump?

Katie Parsons: 20:48

I couldn't stand that like Dawson's whining gets in my nerves every episode, but this made me super irritated, because then that's also like, let's make Jen feel bad because she's not acting the way sexually that you want her to, right? That's gross. That's gross. Just shut up. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. I didn't like that either, and I wrote down, like, I just felt really uncomfortable with the kissing scenes, too. I'm either way on it. Like, the more I thought about, the more I was like, I guess it's realistic. Because, like I said, those are the games like people play. Yeah, it's developmentally where people are. But this whole thing, like, several episodes ago, Pacey kisses Jen for a film that they're making without consent. Like, like, pulls her in, kisses are and it's supposed to be funny, and it really bothered me, yeah? So I was like, That's not funny. It's written funny, and it's written to not be a big deal. Like, why is everyone being a prude? And this kind of took me back to that for a second, yeah? But then I was like, well, nobody, yeah, I mean, but it still just made me feel kind of icky. Yeah, like that, you would like, feel like, in like, an intimate, touching moment, definitely some peer pressure in that situation. But again, that's realistic, because, right? Oh, for sure, for sure. So it wasn't, wasn't really an X, but it was just like, Why do I feel so like, uncomfortable about this? But it could be just because of, like, other ways they've presented it in the past. Yeah, then the I didn't like the lesbian insult I wrote.

Jennifer Gregg: 22:10

Obviously I did not. Okay, so

Dani Combs: 22:14

let's talk about that because I wrote what I wrote. Can we please just have one damn episode without gay as a negative connotation, please. Well, the

Jennifer Gregg: 22:23

thing that I, honestly, you know can can kind of laugh at, is the fact that she, she came back with, I

Unknown: 22:30

wish I was a lesson that I love, and I was like, Girl, it ain't easier, trust me.

Jennifer Gregg: 22:36

For those that don't know, it's probably harder

Dani Combs: 22:41

to a woman. We should probably say that, yes, Jen, Jen is a lesbian. She is so she is speaking from her experience, personal

Jennifer Gregg: 22:48

experience, yeah, and I am a late in life lesbian, by the way, too. So I did not come out until I was 32 and I been married to two men. So

Dani Combs: 22:57

hey, my sister was came out late in life too. She had more than two but, but, yeah, I

Jennifer Gregg: 23:01

have the perspective to know what it's like to date men and to deal with men, and to date and deal with women. And I will tell you, hands down, women are not easier.

Dani Combs: 23:11

It's not an easier route. But I love gayer, because I say all the time, like, when people are I'm like, I wish I was gay, because straight men are so difficult, yeah, but, you know, not easier, okay, well, well, you know, I mean straight

Jennifer Gregg: 23:24

pros and cons, I guess, not easier, just different. Is that exactly? Yes, not easier, just different, just different.

Unknown: 23:32

And we don't get to choose. Unfortunately, yeah, we don't. And for my friend, my kids, yeah, okay, I love you, honey. You're the best. You're the best, talking about generically as a group, straight men, yeah, very difficult to be in a relationship with. I don't care. Come at me, straight men. We don't have any that listen to us. Troy might be the only one. So there, I know, but he knows I say that. I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's difficult and, and in Joey's case, I can see how she would, because she's just so frustrated with everything. Yeah, she was like, I wish I was only meant it because she's in love with Dawson, who's the most annoying straight man in the world, in the world, for real. Well,

Jennifer Gregg: 24:20

I'm sure she I'm sure she meant it in that instance as, like, I wouldn't have these feelings for Dawson if I were and that would be easier, because it is difficult to feel what I'm feeling given the situation. But

Dani Combs: 24:31

like, Abby was definitely trying to be a jerk. And I don't like that. And I feel like, I mean, it's constant, like in every episode we are speaking on this true,

Jennifer Gregg: 24:41

yeah. But, I mean, I, I'm sure you all remember, like, in our high school days, that's so gay was, like, such a just normal part of the slang vernacular. I mean, I used it myself, like, right, sure, and yeah, and you just, and I think that there are certain. Terms that become a part of our slang, that almost lose that true meaning to what they like, yeah, you almost forget how offensive it is. Oh, yeah. And because it just becomes such a part of you don't mean it offensive, right? Right? Think about it. You're like, Okay, I'm

Katie Parsons: 25:18

not gonna say that anymore, right? Right? That way? Um, there's a podcast I listen to that. I absolutely you could probably

Jennifer Gregg: 25:24

do a whole episode on problematic slang from the 90s, because there's a lot of it. There's so

Katie Parsons: 25:30

much of it. There's a podcast I listen to and I love, I love the people on it. But the woman will often, when she gets something wrong, she'll be like, sorry, guys, it's my Alzheimer's, or, Oh, that was my dementia, and I'm just like, wow, yeah, are we joking about that? Not funny, you know, like to the point I have not, and I don't think they listen to this one. If they do, I hope you do kind of hear it, because I love you, but like that to me is like, that's like taking something that's real, right to people, and making it like a joke or an insult to

Jennifer Gregg: 25:59

her son. And I will say another one that I find problematic, that a lot of people still use being in the profession that I am in which, if none of you listeners know I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner, so I deal with mental health every day, and I hate it when people say, Oh, that's just my OCD. Oh, yeah, because OCD is one of legit, like a legit OCD is one of the most debilitating and difficult things to actually live with, and it is also very difficult to treat. And people think just because you have, you know, a you want to be organized, or you're super type A that you have OCD, and you really have no idea what that actual, you know, illness really is. So things like that, that, and you know, people who say that mean, don't mean any ill intent against people who struggle. It's just they don't understand how they're diminishing what people are actually going through.

Dani Combs: 26:54

Totally, yeah, yeah. Which, again, doesn't make it okay for this show or for whatever, but it's, it's context, right? Well, and evolution, I think, too, like, I think when we go back, which is why we why we do this, why we rewatch chef and talk about it like, what is nostalgic, but what is problematic? What have we learned from this? And what are we doing better as a culture, as an entertainment industry, which I feel like, in this sense, what we're talking about now has improved greatly. I It's not I

Jennifer Gregg: 27:24

do. I do. I think we've come a really long way, especially if you look at shows like Grey's Anatomy, which, which consistently shows, you know, both heterosexual and homosexual relationships as if they are normal. So, you know, I think there are a lot of progressive stuff out there. You know, I

Katie Parsons: 27:42

think as a society, we're always going to be learning and evolving, and we'll always have a long way to go to get to equality, but yeah, at least we're and I think crazy, trying to make progress. Yeah, is a great example, because it's hat it's been on so long, right? They were to watch the beginning which one of my daughters and I have been watching, like season one, you might notice some problematic things. And that first season is everyone, well, I guess there are some people of color, but like, all the like, main relationships that you care about are white, cisgender relationships, yeah, and so. And then if you compare it to, like a current season, you would see, oh, they have actively tried to change the way these things are present. And I don't know if

Jennifer Gregg: 28:21

you've ever watched station 19, which was the spin off of Grey's Anatomy, you know, they specifically too, you know, it's, it's not, it would not be considered normal to see a gay firefighter, right, like so the fact that they portrayed that as just a normal thing, I think, is, is a is a big deal, you know, showing that at least, of course, I think, you know, when you Look at the Arts and you look at Entertainment, it's always a little more culturally progressive than the rest of the actual, the actual, actual world we walk

Dani Combs: 28:49

around in, especially in Florida, that's another day, another episode. Oh yeah. We

Jennifer Gregg: 28:54

don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

Katie Parsons: 28:56

We're talking dos Creek, 1997 the So, the only other like thing I had on the whole episode, the negative, and we kind of already touched on it, is that whole, I said, this is what I wrote, whole sex interaction in library. So cheesy, awkward, just like when, when not they're not actually having sex, but when they're talking about it, I whispered, oh, my student out there. I do have an 11 year old singing, so I like the part where he's like, I just want to be wanted. And then Joey's like, crying, and she's like, well, I want you. I was like, This is too much. So awkward, way too much. And I was so happy when the library showed up and was like, you're done. I was like, Oh, get them out of there. You know? Yeah, it was just like, for how good the writing and storytelling really is in the show. I just thought that was,

Jennifer Gregg: 29:47

I don't know if that was realistic, like, if that actually would have

Dani Combs: 29:50

happened, like, not, but it's also just weird. It was just like, I feel like Joey just would have shut down and walked away,

Jennifer Gregg: 29:56

oh yeah, and been like, I'm not gonna talk about it, like she wouldn't have been, like, poor. Her so loud in front of all those people totally,

Katie Parsons: 30:02

and she's like, saying everything and but she's like, I can't say it. I'm like, Bitch, you just did. We can read between the lines. That was bad writing. I was like, she just literally said, everything is bad writing. I didn't like Dawson. And does anyone else feel like the only person that truly gets it is Jen? Yeah. Like she understands, she sees it all and doesn't like me. And Joe's like, and pace, he's like, oh. And even Abby's like, Oh, this is entertaining, but I don't know what's happening, but Jen's got that, like, knowing look on her face. But anyway, well, thank you to RJ. Thanks for being a good sport with that, for doing this. And yeah, maybe you should go back and watch a few just to kind of get up to speed. And if you haven't listened to our super fan riba episode, Jan as our guest, make sure you listen to that and all of our episodes Dawson's Creek and otherwise, and we'll see you next time here on generation in between. Bye, everybody. Bye. You