The Brat Pack Revisited: A Xennial Eye-Opener

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If you can quote every line from The Breakfast Club, St. Elmo's Fire or Pretty in Pink, you might be a Xennial. And we are too.

Join us as we talk about the Xennial-adjacent topic of The Brat Pack. We both watched the Hulu documentary Brats, produced and directed by Brat Pack member Andrew McCarthy, as research for this episode.

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Did you ever want to get Saturday detention just to see if you two could form friendships with an athlete, a princess, a brain, a criminal and his athlete? Did you ever want to try to create your own pink dress to wear to prom? So you too can have the rich popular guy tell you he loved you on the dance floor? Did you ever hope that when you're an adult, you'd have your own group of close friends to hang out with at St. Elmos. If every time you hear the song, Don't You Forget About Me. You envision John Bender walking on a football field with his fist in the air, you might know who the Brat Pack is. And you might be as Anil and we are to Hi, I'm Danny and I'm Katie. And you're listening to Katie take it away generation tween zeneo podcast where we revisit remembering sometimes we learn all kinds of things from our 80s childhoods and 90s teen young adult hoods. Yes, sorry. We're gonna, we're getting there. Today we're drinking coffee. Danny's like yours is highlighted in yellow. So then we get to one that's yellow. And she starts talking. So I was really confused. We do write down our intro. Everyone just we don't come up with this off the top of our head in the moment in case you can't tell that we are reading those sentences. In case you wondered. But yes, go on Danny. So we're getting it together we have coffee. All right. So if you didn't figure it out by our intro, today, we are talking the Brat Pack, which takes us back in the time machine to the mid to late 80s. So xennials weren't exactly teens in the 80s at all. But this is kind of a Zinio adjacent topic. And one that I think is still very relevant to our microgeneration, especially if you had older siblings. And plus on a selfish note, I frickin love the Brat Pack. And I love all the movies. So hooray for that. It's like when Katie wanted to do an episode on Brittany because she loves her so much. Although she was she was very relevant to xennials. But anyway, true. So what we're gonna like talk about in this episode, though, is actually not the entire Brat Pack history. But we're going to talk about the new documentary that is now streaming on Hulu called brats. And it's made by a member of the Brat Pack himself, Andrew McCarthy. I cannot wait to start this discussion. Yes. And we have barely talked about it to each other because we're trying to save everything for this episode. So I have all sorts of things to geek out about and say But first, I know we have a few circle packs and shout out standing We sure do. We actually have a first of all, that this whole episode idea came about because of our listener and our friends Cindy, who sent us the link to the preview for the documentary and I was like oh, mg. Heck yes. Yes, let's do it. So thanks, Cindy. We love you so much. Thank you. Thank you for sending that our way. Also, y'all will see on our socials that we have a little video clip. We have a listener and a friend of mine and a neighbor and a client two named Danielle, who gave us like a super thoughtful gift of friendship bracelet. So she's a huge Swifty she knew that Katie is also a huge swift Yes. And for those of you that are not Swifties that's like a huge thing that they do is make friendship bracelets and trade them at concert right? Did I mess that up? No, that's okay. Or literally in real life in real life, right? Oh, yeah. In real life, sorry, like, not just at concerts, but mainly mainly a concert but also in real life. So anyway, she made us these cute little bracelets that say generation in between and one of them says then y'all, y'all can see a little video, we did have the Katy receiving the bracelet. And she actually had on a Taylor Swift shirt. Yes, I had no idea. I was telling Danny, that I organized my closet a couple of weeks ago, like I don't know, maybe a week to 10 days ago. And Danny knows I've had like the craziest past seven to 10 days. She's like, how did you but you know, xennials and older than that, and maybe even younger will understand. Sometimes when you're having a week like that are about to organizing your classes, literally the best thing you can do, because it gives you like an hour of just like focusing on that. And also, I could just find everything faster. I mean, it sounds kind of boring, but I was like, this is the best day ever. So today when I went to my closet to change because I was in pajamas and I was like Okay, I gotta go work. I could wear pajamas. I like to entertain the idea for a second. I'm like, No, I'll go change. Lo and behold my Taylor Swift tour eras tour short was hanging there so nicely in my closet and I was like, Oh, cool. I'm gonna wear that today. It was my friendship bracelets. Hey, check it out. And by the way, Danielle, they fit us perfectly. So thank you. So thanks for that. And we have a big circle back that is from a listener but also who the listener who was our very first guest? Yes, a man. Oh, man. I've been waiting. Okay, so this Yeah, So Amanda is also a Power Rangers super fan like our buddy Carlos and her boyfriend, Aleksei. And she sent us some info on tweet training the Yellow Ranger. So she let us know we missed this and the episode with Carlos, that tweet was Vietnamese. And she actually emigrated to America as a young child alongside her mom and siblings in 1980. And did you watch that interview? She said, uh, you probably didn't have a chance. I won't say too much. But okay. Oh my gosh, she had a harrowing journey here on a boat. Like they thought she was dead. Her mom literally shoved food down her throat to keep her alive until she got here because there was so much sickness going on on the boat and anything. But she emigrated to America as a young child, and then and our older days went into the entertainment industry. So it was just kind of like a swag, a background story. Yeah. Also, along those lines, Amanda also let us know we talked about the unfair working conditions that the Power Rangers have various generations had to go through, but mostly the first generation which is the Mighty Morphin. And Austin, St. John, who was the OG Red Ranger, he was like the leader. Tweed and Walter Jones, who was the Black Ranger actually left the show because they were striking against unfair working conditions. But the interesting thing about that is they had planned to walk out with all the Rangers. Oh, wow. But the other three changed their mind and didn't go and stayed there. Wow. Yeah. It makes you wonder like how much of an impact it would have had, because it sounds like they just replaced those three wouldn't have really improved conditions if it was all six. But also these are young people. I know not making a lot of money. So I kind of understand the three that didn't. I know like I get it. It's tricky. You know, it's tricky. Well, and so she Amanda was saying that she thinks Austin St. John really like paved the way for future rangers to have better working conditions. So we just wanted to go ahead and acknowledge that also random. When I was like, What did he look like? I was trying to like picture him in my brain. So when I Googled his name, apparently, like a few days ago, he was arrested for FBI fraud for a legend COVID Small Business claims like you know how they are giving money to like small business. Oh, yes. Him and like 18 people. Oh, my God arrested for fraud. Okay, so St. John Lennon friends. I was like, do I mention that? And like, yes. I mean, right. It's just like anything it is the people are good and bad, correct. And just like the good and evil in the Power Ranger. And I mean, the good things you do, you know, are not taken away. We know mistakes. Absolutely. And also, I just wanted to throw back in there, because we haven't said it in a few episodes, we still have some free stickers everybody do. If you are a new listener to the podcast, you may have missed that when we set it way back. We have some really fun free stickers of our logo. If you want one or two, just send us your address and a DM on our socials. Or you can email us at the longest email address ever. It's very long. I am so sorry. About that. Give me one job. And that's what I do. Which is generation in between podcast@gmail.com Say that three times fast? No, there's not enough time. We're trying to keep these two like an app. I know. All right. Katie, you have any circle back shout out. You hit all the ones I had. today. I also just wanted to remind everybody, leave us reviews, wherever you're listening. That helps us a lot. We've had people find us because of our reviews and like tell us like oh yeah, I was looking up this topic or that topic. And I read you know what other people had to say, or you had a bunch of five star reviews. So I listened to you. So that actually really helps if you've already done that. Thank you so much. And we're also on Patreon. $8 a month you can join our club, which is growing and we've got two members. Yes, I was gonna say it doubled. But it technically did. Technically, I am the math. Yes, show so somebody's got to do it. No. But yeah, join us over there. We've got lots of fun stuff coming up. And oh, man, there's some stuff this fall you guys don't want to miss so I know. Anyway, okay, great. So all right. So you ready? So Okay, before we get going? I know we do have a lot of young listeners that may not know what is the Brat Pack? What are they even talking about? Right? They're confused. So I'm going to tell you all just a really quick, sorry synopsis of what the Brat Pack is. And then we'll talk about who is in it. So the Brat Pack was a group of young actors and actresses, who starred in many many coming of age films together in the 1980s, mostly mid to late 80s. The term was coined in 1985 by New York magazine writer David bloom. After he witnessed a few of the actors, which was male us of is Judd Nelson and Rob Lowe, kind of being mobbed by fans when they were out for the night at Hard Rock Cafe in Los Angeles, which is just so Hollywood. I love it in the 80s. And we'll talk more about that article in just a few minutes, because that's what the documentary is about pretty much. And the term is a play on the rat pack from the 50s and 60s, which was Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop, and somebody else I can't remember. And we didn't look it up. So just I just deal with it. There's a blank space after that, comma. So, Katie, so tell me what did you know about the Brat Pack before you watch the documentary? Kind of tertiary things? Just just that was a name for basically these really famous Hollywood actors and actresses from the mid to late 80s. So the movie is like the John Hughes movie. Yes. And Amelia west of has, like, I knew most of the ones that were involved in it. But what's weird is like, I don't typically and we'll get into this from the documentary. I don't typically associate Matthew Broderick with that group. I know even though he's like part of like, that whole thing. So it's kind of interesting how like some people you automatically think of with them, and then some people you don't but yeah, I just I always like any of those like Breakfast Club pretty and pink even like the outsiders. Yeah, animals fire. Like any of the young people that were involved in those and became stars. Molly Ringwald. Yes. Just always ally. Whalley shady eating. Yeah. All of them, I guess. And just kind of knowing Oh, yeah, that's, that's who those people are. That's what they mean when people say that, but that's kind of it. Yeah. I had no idea where the term came from. I actually thought it was a positive. Like, I never which is dumb. Because saying somebody's a brat is not a compliment. So like, I don't know why I thought that. But I had no idea where it originated. You know, I had a sister who was seven years older than me. So I saw a bunch of movies in the mid to late 80s. That I probably should not have been watching them. But I loved them. Like I was obsessed. I definitely knew about the Brat Pack because I was obsessed. Like one of my number one favorite movies of all time is the Breakfast Club. And we talked about that on Dawson. We did the last time we did Dawson. Is it problematic now? A lot of it. Yes. But I still really liked him. Yeah, it's like my number one. I had a poster up in college like my sister and I watched it a lot. So I knew all about the Brat Pack. But here's the thing we're going to talk about right now who is actually in the Brat Pack? Because like you were saying, like, I feel like it's kind of confusing because it is because it depends on who you ask. Even in the documentary. They're like, Who the hell is in the Rat Pack? Right? So nobody was like 100% Sure on who the official members were, but there were eight actors mentioned in that original article that I told you about. Okay. And it was these follow following people. It was Emilio esta vez which it kind of starts with him which Andrew McCarthy mentions in the documentary, because that article was really about about him. Yeah. So Emilio esta vez Judd Nelson, Andrew McCarthy, Ally Sheedy, Demi Moore, Rob Lowe, Molly Ringwald, and Anthony Michael Hall. Oh, he was never mentioned in the documentary. It's weird. Yeah. And some people question if he was in it, or if he was just adjacent, but he was in that original article, huh? Yeah. And so we're going to talk about him later in my notes, because I did go into a Google dive about this. Yeah, it's weird that they didn't mention they didn't even say his name. Because I did say, like, basically y'all in this documentary, which we're going to talk about in a second. Or shall we do it now? Tell them what it's about. Yeah. So we'll skip ahead. Yeah. So Andrew McCarthy, who's in those eight names you just mentioned. He, I think he says he's 58 or 59. He says, a couple times. But that's probably about it looks exactly the same. An older version of the cutest. He's adorable, completely adorable, fluffy him. And so he basically decides that he's going to, I don't know if like, reclaim is the right word. But revisit, revisit, yeah, this period of time that these people and then the adjacent people all really experience was, which was a very unique thing to them, which was, you know, that they were these rising stars in Hollywood at a time when Hollywood was really catering to teenagers and youth culture. And that, you know, in their brains, they were working hard and they were deserving of the fame. And then this article comes out essentially saying, you know, they don't really deserve all this. They haven't acted long enough. They aren't like, good enough. They're brats. They're entitled, entitled. And so it sort of took the wind out of a lot of them. And that's one thing we'll have to talk about because some of their careers like, it didn't seem to really affect but Andrew McCarthy said that like it really like, tanked his right because then they wouldn't like one audition together for stuff. And so it was really this kind of, so he's he's literally calling members of the like us says, and saying things like, Oh, I haven't seen him since the premiere of st almost fire. Right? I was so surprised girl me too. I was like literally These people haven't talked to each other right? Because you part of the lower I think of the Brat Pack was you thought they were just best friends and hung out all the time like the Rat Pack because the Rat Pack they really did. They hung out together. They were friends. And but what what you come to find out in the documentary is that's not necessarily true. Most of them haven't spoken. And like Katie was saying, when he called Emilio, and he was going to his house. He's like, I haven't seen him since the premiere. st Alamos fire. Like that's wild, wild. Yeah. And so it's just one of those things where immediately I was like, wow, I don't know, this is a perfect example of a thing. I think I understand that. I don't and I think maybe a lot of the American public didn't. Right, right. And that right. And that I think is why he decided to make the documentary agree. But not everybody wanted to talk to him. He talked to Amelia was first and who I thought was kind of rude. Like he was not very didn't think he was nice. Not rude to him. I felt like he just still had a very big chip on his shoulder. Like I felt like everybody else had talked about it was like, yeah, it was kind of a negative looks up Rob Lowe. But they were like, No, it was like it's never negative ever. I know. I haven't know done that. Like the optimism of right now. Like springs eternal. I know. It's so but I feel like he just still, I don't know, I got a different energy from Emilio that I did from the others. I guess I felt very different. Very. But okay, so let me rewind for a second, because we talked about who's in the Brat Pack. So what movies technically are part of the quote unquote, Brat Pack movies. Again, if you Google that, you're gonna find different lists everywhere. I even went to like Roger Ebert of Siskel and Ebert movie critic fandom, or fandom fame, fame. He had a list and I was like, what? That does not seem right. Like, you know, because I was like that, that is never fun, a brat pack movie. So here's some. So to be part of the Brat Pack, it is generally agreed that you were essentially required to be in one of 219 85 movies, which was hey, can you guess the two? Okay, Breakfast Club? Yep, that's fine. Almost. Yeah. Yeah. Breakfast Club in St. Louis fire before I watched this documentary, I might not have known the answer to that. I could have guessed. Yeah, I think you would have figured it out. Because Emilio Judd and Ali were in both. Okay. They were in both of those. Right. So here's some other ones that were on the list class from 1983. The Outsiders like you mentioned, 8316 candles. 84 Pretty in Pink 86 About last night, which I totally forgot about it to Demi Moore and Rob Lowe are in that 86. And then there was more I just those are just a few that I put down. So I feel like it's like a whole Venn diagram situation. Maybe yes. Overlapping, but not really. And we'll get into this but there's a part where Lea Thomas? Yeah, it's like I'm brought package json and John Crider, a crier iron crier. I never thought he was on it anyway. But I mean, he was in pretty in pain. But what else was he? I don't know. Maybe nothing. It's like the friend that was in Weird Science with Anthony Michael. Like, right. But like Matthew Broderick? I never would have thought he you know, wouldn't have either. Yeah. Right. So I don't know. Anyway. So something that you mentioned, like, when these movies were coming out that this was an interesting piece of moviemaking history that I did not realize the 80s were the first time that like teens slash young adults were like the focus of movie after movie after movie. It hadn't been done before like that. So that was and now it's all the time like yeah, we are especially in the summer. Like there's tons of teen movies. And when we were, you know, in the 90s can't really wait and all that. Yeah, but this was kind of the start of them being the focus, and having relatable stories. Yeah, like you don't have a lot of money to get a prom and you want it I mean, of course. Great. Oh, sorry, my nose bumped to the microphone. Of course, we don't all like follow up with a rich guy and, you know, cause a lot back but some of the things the pieces were relatable, right? Absolutely. And I really loved in the documentary. This is later on in it when he goes to visit Timothy Hutton. Oh, yeah, it's not in the Rat Pack. But for if you don't if that name sounds familiar, and don't quite remember who he was. He was in the movie ordinary people, which he won an Oscar for. And Sally Field won an Oscar for that one too. It's a drama, very, very serious, whatever. And he was was like the first teen or one of the first tient legit teenagers to win an award like that. And Andrew McCarthy, rightfully so kind of credits him with that and says, Look this, the fact that that happened kind of paved the way yeah, for all these other movies. Yeah. And for studios to be like, oh, yeah, people do want to see today are valuable, you know, even though they were totally different movies from right what was happening and ordinary people. And I loved that Andrew McCarthy went to his like, bee bee farm. That was so cute. They were just like sitting in rocking chairs, like out on this big property. Just talking about the state of thing. Yeah. And I just thought that that was such a cool thing for like, Andrew McCarthy or whoever, to kind of connect. Yeah. And be like, it wasn't just like, oh, Emilio esta vez started it. It was like, no, no, it actually started with this person, maybe even someone else. But like it was before us. Yeah, but those little things kind of chip away at what the culture wants to see. And capitalism and what people will pay money. Yeah, consumerism, you know, yeah, so I just thought that was such a cool, like, twist kind of throw in there. It was. Yeah. And, you know, going back to when it when the article came out. And they showed clips on the documentary of like, you know, because people constantly ask them about it. And you could tell with each consecutive interview clip they showed, the more annoyed they would be Did you notice that it did. And the reason I think that they all looked at it at first, I have to admit, when I was watching a documentary, I was like, oh my god, whiny Hollywood people. Like you're like, oh, oh, it was so true. And then I was like, well, actually, I do understand that because as a young performer, all you want is to be taken seriously, in your craft. Like, no matter what you're doing, whether you're dancing, you're acting, you're singing as a young performer, you want people to see you as a valid source of entertainment that is, you know, valued and seen. Holy, right, not like h o l y. But holy. You know what I mean, in like, in a lot of the cases like Andrew McCarthy, for example, he went to NYU, he writes about how he didn't graduate from there, but like, he a word on PABs that they wanted to do this for life. Yes. And that was kind of what I was saying. Like Amelia west of us has. Rob Lowe has dimia memoir. Yeah. Has Yeah. But then like Andrew McCarthy really didn't know, you know. So it's interesting how it fractures different ways. And even Jon Cryer, who is adjacent, you know, he was on three and a half men and like, two, three and a half, two and a half and a half. But that took him a while though, to get back there. Yeah, I mean, right. That's true. So and I think and Anthony Michael Hall, he's still he's still acting and performing. Yeah. So it's, but I do understand that they felt like they were stereotyped, dismissed pigeon holed all of those things. And I was like, Oh, okay. And yeah, you're being called a brat. And you're like, in your 20s. Right? Well, I wrote down in my notes that like, everything kind of upset me. And I felt like they were collectively being bullied. Yeah, really. And then let's jump ahead to and talk about that writer. What did you think when they because they saw everyone, Andrew actually goes and talks to the writer. And I wondered, as I was watching, if that would happen, because I was like, this feels a little one sided. I mean, it is the story of members. And so they just kind of save that for the end. They so once I got to the end, I was like, Oh, okay. I felt like the writer. He was saying, I didn't feel like he felt bad about it. I don't either. I felt like he talked in circles. He talked in circles. And then when Andrew would be like, so you still stand by it, or you think, Oh, you think it wasn't harmful? He'd be like, Oh, well, I don't know. It kind of depends how you see it. And I just felt like he wasn't giving him and then and then they gave each other hug when they were leaving, which was kind of awkward, right? I felt weird. And in the hug. Andrew McCarthy says, Would you take it back? I know. And he was like, oh, no, probably no. Like, after he had just he had just told him like how they felt about it. He was like, No, I felt like his attitude was just like, well, that's the price you pay for fame. Yes. I felt like that's you just like, which we've talked about before the abuse of fame. Right. And I think that's what I didn't like about while I liked the documentary, but like, what made me really mad as I was watching it, the reminder of the youth and yeah, the cultural bullying, and then this guy being like, oh, that's the abuse of fame. And it made me feel very protective. Yeah. Oh, that was the other thing. Oh, the writer was like, Oh, how old were you? And Andrew McCarthy was like, 22 the writers like, Well, I was only 29. I'm like, 29 Yeah, excuse me. That is 22 and 29 are not the same. They're not the same. And he was like, you know, when you're young, that's the stuff you do. And I'm thinking 20 Freaking nine. Yeah, no, no, sir. Yeah. And also like, You are the one being reckless. Right. They were showing up to the movie sets and doing the things they were supposed to do. And if they were drinking, they were of age like And they weren't working while they were out drinking, like they were having fun like 22 year olds do. So to be to be like, Yeah, we were the same age. Yeah. 22 when I was 29, and we all make mistakes. I was like, That is not the same thing. You know what? I almost got the sense of jealousy from him. Yeah. Did you it both in the article? Yeah. Which I read. And the way he was agreed to him, like it was very much like, and one of the, I don't know, if it was a casting director, they had a few people like that. said that. Yeah. She was like, Well, you know, the writer was jealous of you guys. And that's what it was. Yeah. And I totally think she's right. Oh, and then the writer kept defending the term Brat Pack. He's like, Oh, it's, you know, when you have a clever, blah, blah, blah. And Andrew McCarthy is like, Oh, do you? Do you think that was clever? He's like, Yeah, it really was. I mean, it was a clever name, but I was just like, it wasn't positive wrong audience to be like, What am I smart for like coming up with that thing that now you're doing a whole last documentary on because it like, hurt you so badly? Right? Wasn't that really clever of me? I was like, Oh, shoot. I mean, I will say the play on words was very smart. But it wasn't even his idea. really remember? Because he said that they he was out to you with friends and they overrate, and the guy was like, Oh, we're the fatpack. Yeah, member, I remember. And he's like, Oh, I thought but play on words, but also wouldn't have you ever called someone a brat and minute as a compliment? Yeah. No, never. Like, if my kids are getting out of line and acting entitled, I'm like, You're acting like a spoiled brat right now. I know. That's not nice, everybody. But I'm sorry. Sometimes it happens. But like, that's never like a positive statement. Right? I will say like, I feel like maybe because of what the Brat Pack, for example, went through Young people nowadays. I'm thinking of like Taylor Swift, which she's older now. But I'm thinking of when she was younger, and her career, Olivia Rodrigo, people like that. And especially with social media, I mean, they're constantly called names and entitled and whatever. And I just feel like they are equipped to kind of be like, whatever. But this was at a time where this was all new. Yeah. And I really liked one thing, they said, You and I've talked about this on the show, where they say, Malcolm Gladwell, I love him. I love him so much. So Malcolm Gladwell is essentially like a culture writer. Yeah, like he's an expert, sociology. Sociology, has really nothing to do with the Brat Pack. But Andrew McCarthy went to speak with him like just about the phenomenon of it and all of that. And that moment in time and where we are now and Malcolm Gladwell said that, at that time, culture was still mainstream. Yes, yes. And so if one person thought that they were spoiled brats than literally everyone didn't I know. It wasn't literally Yeah, but but still, yeah. Whereas now he said, there are no longer cultural touchpoints. Like that. There's everything is fractured, fractured. So you've got the group of people who think Taylor Swift is the B word and trying to take over the country and in cahoots with China. But then, like, you've got the overwhelming majority of people who don't think that or some people just don't care, or some people are like, right, I don't like her, you know, okay. But this was a time where it was like, the vitriol Yeah. Was all sort of in one bucket. Yeah. And, I mean, I guess it's good. There wasn't social media, because I would have been even worse. I know like that scene where they were on Phil Donahue, which are younger. Stars Phil Donahue was a talk show. I never liked Phil Donahue. And now when I watched clips for this podcast, oh, why didn't anyone ever watch this? He just looked like an old grandpa. He wasn't even exciting. And like always very condescending. He was to his guest. He was very always but so they have Brat Pack people there. They're probably promoting a movie or something. And he says, Well, what do you think about it? It's just that all of us feel like you're going to be spoiled. And you're going to be and I just wrote gross. Yeah. Who the eff cares? I know. Dude, Phil Donahue and the rest of the country. Do you think that he felt like he could say that to them? Because they were young. Yeah, I said that to somebody. I was so mad. That's all right. That was like, if my teens or just young adults that I know in my life. Yeah. We're being spoken to like that. Yeah. By busting through the like, shut the EFF up. These are children, right. or young adult they weren't. Yeah, they were young adults. But yes, but like, yeah. Oh, and then that's another thing. That writer said. He's like, Well, they weren't minors. I would have never said it about minors. What would like that's hmm, I know. What does that have to do with anything? That's what does that call it when people do that? gaslighting? Yes. And also red herring is not a red herring. Yes. Yeah. Where you're just trying to change the subject. Yes. Yeah. Like it's like, anyway, so the writer, everyone, you'll, you'll see, I know, we're talking a lot about things but you should watch the documentary. It's it's really good. And the music is great. Oh, yeah. And they're playing clips. They found so many that fit. I like so him and Ali would be talking and then they'd show and they'd be like, oh, yeah, like in real time be like, oh, you know, we just always we have this connection because of this and then they have a clip Yeah, movie where they're like will always be Kinect. I know. Whoa, like, this is so wild. Yeah, they found all this and you know, they look exactly the same, just like 50 something year old versions of themselves, right. And so it's just like, so wild to see. And one thing I wrote just as a general overarching thing I have like, I mean, I felt bad for them. So there's that, but I had a little bit of like sadness, watching it. Yeah, there was so much youth, so much youth so much youth and all the clips back to back I know, and then then, like talking about different things. And I just felt like, almost a sadness. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I was just like, oh, because like these people who were like the epitome of whatever got old. I'm also not that much older than we are. They're not. And my kids are going to be that I just kind of started to spiral right that like how beautiful and precious youth is. And then when it's attacked for simply being you I know, which is what this is, in my opinion. It just made me really upset. Yeah, like more than I thought I would be. Yeah, it was I I'm sad that he didn't get to talk to Molly, and Judd. Because Anthony, it will and Anthony wasn't mentioned and I'll talk about that in a second. Because I feel like when I think of the Brat Pack, she is who I think of first. Absolutely. I think of Andrew McCarthy second then I think of John Nelson then I think of me, I don't even think of Emilio first even though I shouldn't or neither, but it made me sad. But I love I won't. I'm not gonna spoil this for you guys. But did you love how it ended? Yes. Okay, so I'm not gonna tell you. Oh, good. I love wished we would have find out. I know. It was really good ending. Yeah, so but I am sad. And I mean, he says on there that like he's calling all these people like, in the beginning. Like he's, he's like, Okay, I'm just gonna call up like Rob Lowe. I'm just gonna call up Molly. And he actually tells I think Ali, maybe he's like, Well, Molly said, you know, she just doesn't want to go back. She only wants to keep going forward. And I think he never did say John said that too. But I think it was probably the same. So now I'm gonna I Googled, why wasn't Anthony Michael Hall mansion. Okay, in the brat. Maybe he was in clips. But they never talked about him. Like they talked about Molly. They talked about Judd. But they never talked about him weird. So I did go down the interwebs rabbit holes as we do here on generation do I want to see like, WTF out there ie not 1985 of us. I know. So here's the thing. He was asked recently in an interview about it. Okay. He was asked by the interviewer. Like, did you watch it? Were you asked to participate? And he said, Yes. He said, The interviewer said Did did Andrew McCarthy asked you to participate? This is this was his quote, he said he did. And I can go on record saying I politely declined, because I'm always making new stuff, and always moving forward and looking ahead. So that was my own impetus. Is that right impetus for why I chose not to be a part of that. Okay. And then he also said this about the term Rat Pack. He said, to be fair, I never really paid any attention to the article. It never really meant anything to me. Like the Rat Pack is interesting to me. But the Brat Pack thing, it was just a moniker. Maybe it speaks more to the writer at that time. If anything does. It's like when they say someone's like, saying mean stuff about you, right? And we say to our kids, well, that says more about them than you write facts. This is this is and someone on there said maybe it was to me, she said, she didn't say the writers name. But she's like, the writer was just trying to get their next job. Right. Right period, although, and I was like, oh, yeah, she's right. But then when I saw that scene where he was, and I was like, I don't know. Yeah, it's deeper than that. Unless over the years, he's just become very defensive about it probably could be. And at the time, he really didn't mean it. Like, whatever way it was portrayed. I think he was definitely whatever he was doing. He was definitely trying to be sensational. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was trying to be sensational. And he definitely wasn't doing it in a positive manner. No, but I will say not to play devil's advocate here. But I feel like, I mean, if he wouldn't have written that, if they would not have been turned that, would they be as iconic? Yeah. As they are now. Well, Rob Lowe said that, right? I know. And he went to his house, he you know, because he's just so he's like, I wrote eternal optimist. Can we just stop for one second? And please, let's discuss his attractiveness. Just for a minute. We're not that kind of podcast, but sometimes we are trying not to objectify. No, I wrote literally in my notes, Benjamin Button. I mean, he doesn't look like 18. But well, we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about this in two parts. Okay. All right. Number one, I was watching this on the TV it because you know, I can't watch everything on my main TV in the living room, right? There's some things you can't watch when anybody could just walk in the door, right? Yeah, this you can. Everyone there are some if you have really small children and you You're weird about language, they do have some language, but there's nothing Yeah, no, it's anyway. So Cooper, my 11 year old was watching it with me. And I just the part where they're interviewing Rob Lowe. I'm like, man, he used to be so cute. Like, he was so cute. Oh my gosh, he was just because they kept showing clips. Yeah, it was just so attractive. So and he's so cute. And Cooper's like, looks at me. And he's like, Well, he still is. And I'm like, actually, yes. Good point. He's, like, don't say used to I was like, yeah, and even my husband, I was like, Rob Lowe, like, and he's like, I know, he's still looks really good. So we all have this mutual household admiration for Rob Lowe. But he takes care of it. He He's a former addict, but he takes care of himself. Now he's very clean and all of that. Eating and like that made him appreciate his body more. Yeah, I think so sober. Yeah. And I've read his books. I don't know if you've read them. They're entertaining. He can be a little fool of himself at times. But I mean, if I looked like that I probably would be to him was as successful as Ben. Yeah, for sure. The other thing we noticed, speaking of appearance, Trey, my husband said to me, he's like, you know, what's interesting is the men are all on here. They're like all these people around the same age. And the men are just aging naturally and look wonderful, right? Because Andrew McCarthy, we just said he was right here. A hair dryer looks great. Looks like he's in his 50s. They look great. He said, but all the women, even Ali, she didn't have it too much. But then I looked and I said, I think she may have had Botox. No judgment there. Right. He said all the women have even the like, publicists and stuff like that. He was like, have had some kind of work done. Yeah. And I'm not saying it looks good or bad. I'm just saying the beauty expectations are yes, yeah. Yeah, they all looked great. But you right. Oh, that like yeah, the the, there were some work. And I'm not hating on that. Listen, I Oh, heck no. Well on for you do what you need to do to feel good about yourself. As long as you're in a healthy headspace. Right, right. But it's just not fair. No. Oh. Oh. So my daughter Tegan has messenger kids. Oh, yeah. And so everything comes through my phone, that'd be fine. So like, I don't know, you have to prove everyone. So it's pretty safe. I could probably take it off my phone and it would be totally fine. But I forgot to put this on Do Not Disturb. So when it's done ringing Oh, cute. I shall send it to that. But go on. So your publicist, your publicist? Yeah, kind of is. So that's just it was an interesting dynamic to see also what I thought was interesting, too. And I mentioned this before, when we're watching Dawson's Creek, when they showed the clips of the 80s. And these young actors they look like real people like the beautiful people beautiful. But I just feel like it was so much. I mean, that lots of hairspray, lots of makeup, but that's real people were doing that. Looking around the street. That was the trend right are the trends. Yeah, so I just it makes me sad for women. That that's what it's come like we can't we can't just age like men can. Yeah, well, we can lies we can but no, we totally expectations are not being listeners. Same. You know, I got banks. Yeah, they're tiny. They're super cute. So I'm not complaining. But I was just so tired of looking at my forehead. And is it because I really didn't like it? Or is it because I was like, Oh, I therefore look like an older person cuz my forehead naturally is wrinkling the way that it should based on my age. And like the fact that I'm a very expressive person. Yeah. But I was tired of looking at it. And so I cupping, so you don't have to look at it, you know? And that's fine. That's my choice. Yeah, it's hair. I could have also gone out and got Botox or face line, that would have been fine, too. But it does make you wonder like, where it like all comes stems from and I mean, again, no judgment, but in the case of Demi Moore, like she looks like the age of her 20 year old daughter. I know. And that's fine. And she looks beautiful and great. She looks great. But it's like, I almost wonder if she wasn't in the public eye if she would feel the same. Like she cuz I feel like she probably thought she had to do that. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I'm not in a hurry to know. Yeah, but I'm just saying I just noticed that again. And I'm like, Man, I don't like because my husband's like, always like, well, you can just age and blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, I know but it's not the same. It's not like people will look at you at 50 with salt and pepper hair and think how distinguished and hot you are. If I had salt and pepper, which I did try and do before guys and I did not look good. I'm not one of those people who can do that yet. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, no makeup and no Botox and none of the things of age spots and whatever. Nobody would think I was distinguished. They might think I looked nice 50 Oh, no, you look great or correct. That looks good on you or what? Ever but yeah, it's it's it's definitely and you see it even in that. Yeah, for sure. Kind of. I know she didn't mean it like this but they had the they have this one author on there named Susanna who seemed younger, she seemed like maybe our age. Oh yeah, the authors that had like a fan book about them. Yeah. Which was fun. They included her. That was cool. I liked that cool. She was saying that she remembers like watching like the VHS of them or whatever. So she probably was like our age like the movies have been out for a while that that are included in this Brat Pack thing. And then it was really nice to see people like her. Yeah, like people, kind of I think I think that encompasses encompasses everything like the the struggles, but also looking like normal people that maybe go to your high school, right or live next door to you like, the things that you're dealing with at that age. And so I just thought that was that was really, really cool. And she also said that it was one of the first times that films in Hollywood were taking the lives of young people seriously. Yes. And I loved that. Yes. Because we've talked about that. Yeah, you can go teenagers and like roll your eyes or whatever. Gay. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Like, it's hard to parent, teenagers. Teenagers can be difficult, we understand. But teenagers are awesome. They are young people are like, there's a lot of good there. And so when she said like, you know, it's not all Oh, you're just whatever you don't understand, or you don't know what it's like to be sad until bla bla bla bla bla, like, these are developmentally appropriate things that teenagers go through. And they're actually sad sometimes and there, it's not for us as adults to be like, well, you just wait until this happens. And then you're really going to be sad. You have to check them true. Sometimes you do. But yes, you have to acknowledge their feelings like, and I just thought that was a really cool. Yeah, thing. And she also said it was the first time parents were pushed to the back. Yeah. Well, and I think that's why those movies. Now granted, like I said, there's plenty of problematic stuff, because these are predominantly white people in the movies. And if they are not, then they're usually stereotype etc. There's obviously at that time, they were mostly cisgender heterosexual people as well. So granted, that being said, there's plenty of problems, but I think now I forgot what I was going with that what were we talking about? We were talking about? My brain just went taking things seriously. You think seriously? Yeah. And, you know, there was teenage stuff, like crushes, and parties and money issues and losing parents and like, you know, or, I don't mean, well, no, because I did deal with that in some of the movies. And even in St. Almost fire. It was like, what happens after college? Because they were a little bit older in that movie. And it was these college friends who graduated, and then it's like, oh, my god, we're like, adults. And each one of them. Have you watched that movie? I have never seen that movie. You got to I know. I failed. When I was watching it. The documentary. I was like, I've never seen that movie. Oh, my gosh, I'm gonna you know what we should totally do one day when we have a moment, which, who knows when that will be five years from Yeah, we need to go spend the night at a hotel and just binge watch. Our favorite. Like, I will tell you my favorite movies from that game. And you should do that. And we should just I love that idea. Because in real life, who has time to watch the movie uninterrupted most days? You had me at Hotel? I like movies also. So So one day, we're gonna do that guy one day, we're gonna do that. And that would be a great episode, too. That would be a fun one. Anyway, so what else like what else did Yes, I liked when they were talking about and this is kind of a callback to one of our episodes on movie soundtracks. They were talking about how important soundtracks were to movies. Yeah. And if you think about it, as you mentioned, like we mentioned in our intro, when you think of the Breakfast Club, think of was it some something wonderful? Or wasn't there another one with a name like that? Some kind of wonderful, kind of wonderful and like that any pretty much? Any of those? Yeah, you do immediately start thinking of songs. 100% Yeah. And, you know, that's still something that carries over, but like how important those were cultural references. I thought that was really cool. And they did sort of talk about the white only Yeah, they did approach which was interesting, because it was like, oh, we need to address this. But then it was great. Didn't really do it had like someone of color speaking about it. And that person was kind of like, oh, I don't really care. Because I was used to it. Everyone was white. And I was like, I don't know about i Oh, yeah. Like maybe just don't include it. And then they were like, Oh, well, you know, actually the suburbs of Chicago in 85. Were mostly white you had one black kid in class and I'm like, I guess but like that's not really hmm right? That's not really excuse. I get it, whatever. These movies are a product of their time. But I just thought I was like this isn't really like a fully fleshed out idea. Great. Right now that they're like facing they're like, let's talk to this person, this one singular one person. And then he's he, she, they whatever it was gonna be like, Oh, it didn't bother me. Oh, cool. Let's move on. I thought that was weird. That was weird. I forgot about that. So just yeah, that was that was really strange to me. I really liked when Demi Moore out the whole section with her. Yeah. And how she was just talking about, you know, you can tell she's probably I mean, they probably all have been through a lot of therapy and stuff. And she was just kind of saying that sometimes when the gauntlets put down. Yeah. And sounds like you are this and you are like, No, I'm not. Yeah, that's what you need to prove. Right? That you're not that that you should have to do that. Right. But and that really clicked with me like some of these young people were able to do that. And some were Yeah. You know, hard. And I just thought that that was that was really, really cool. And then they have this great part where Andrew is getting a hamburger from a food truck. Yeah. And all you hear is the person's voice who's like, Oh, you don't see that. I've loved that so much. And the person's like, what are you filming? Yeah, he's like, Oh, this thing about the Brat Pack? Have you heard them? I don't know. Because they were young. You could tell they were a young teenager. Yeah. And they didn't know. And then he's just like sitting there. Because because it was a really cool, Stark comparison. Like, if Andrew McCarthy was getting a hamburger and sitting outside in 1985. Right. He'd be swarmed, swarmed. But he's just sitting alone at this little table. The person who sold him the hamburger, like zero clue. No, Holly was just like, Oh, you're filming something? Cool. What is it? Oh, I don't know who that is. Because it's LA. So it's probably happens all the time. Yeah. And so I just thought, and I thought, you know, good for Andrew McCarthy to be like, Yeah, I'm kind of, I mean, he's not but like, Yeah, I'm sort of insignificant. So let's like show a scene like that. I would argue that he's not and I think it's really cool that he revisited this and took this on. I think it was good. seem very humble, though. Very Yeah. I think that and I, I'm sorry, I just can't get over. Like I've always thought even back in the day, that he had the most expressive smile. And his little smirk. Everybody that knows Adrian McCarthy is envisioning it right now. I thought that was what made him so likable. In movies, even when he was did something crappy, like and 16 are pretty in pink. Yeah, you still just like loved him. He has that. And he still has it as it I mean, he's got some gray hairs and some wrinkles, but it's there like that, that that Andrew McCarthy, I just, I was like, I would like to be friends. I really was thinking as I was watching it. And maybe it's the premise of the documentary, because he's literally calling people right in this group to connect them. And I'm like, he seems like a connector he does. He's like the one who's like, let's get the gang back together, even just in real life, like, Oh, let me give you the number of this person that can help. You're that person which Danny and I have talked about how we feel like we're connected. how some people just have that natural ability for that. And he really struck me as that kind of person well, right, because nobody else has done the documentary and how many years this has been? Right 30. Now that doesn't mean they haven't been approached, because I guarantee you Oh, yeah, people in the broad pack have probably been approached a bajillion times since 1985. Easy, which is probably why Molly and Judd were like, ah, like I told everybody, I already told you a million times doing this. And I think if, if it wasn't Andrew McCarthy or a different member of the so called Brat Pack, it wouldn't have hit the same way. I agree. Like if it was just some documentary filmmaker. The fact that you he's literally like calling people he's like go ahead to get so and so's number from their agent cuz I don't have their name right. But I have dummies number but I have, oh, Rob's on his way to Orlando. I'll catch him next time or whatever. Like it was just it felt. The first realization is oh, they're not actually all like best friends hanging out all the time. Yeah. And the second realization is like, they're normal people. Yeah. Like, and yeah, and I loved when he was with Rob Lowe. And Rob, like, kind of was feigning, being offended. Like, it was just a funny moment. He's like, Yeah, I still meet people like, well, I'm kind of an Andrew guy. Haha. So cute. I was like, okay. Oh, sure. They say that. Oh, that was funny. That was really adorable. I love that. And just generally even though you could tell I had varying degrees of feelings about it like Emilio seemed very standoffish. I mean, the way they frame that they have I counter between between them and Rob was like next to him to me was like they were outside around patio. Alley, she was on her couch. Yeah, like in a normal looking apartment, you know. And so then him and Timothy Hutton just like sitting on the front of the chairs. But I even though they had varying levels of that they seemed to genuinely still have a connection, as like friends but also as like people who were the only ones in the world who experienced this thing. Which is a big thing. It is is and I really felt like that came through. Yeah, I agree the storytelling of this documentary I think they did a good job and and maybe some of that's like the honest logic, music or whatever I did. I just I don't know, I really thought that they did a good job with that. So did you. So let's talk about like summation of how we fell. I loved it. I thought it was great. I thought documentary was great, I thought was really informative. And you can say it's one sided, but they talked to the writer. Yeah. So like, I was thinking that and then they talk to the writer. Um, Now, granted, they can edit it anyway. Sure, sure. Sure, sure. But I did feel like generally speaking his body language his curtness? Yeah. His very non apologetic nature, even if they cut out some of the stuff he might have said, it's still kind of Yeah, read. I don't know that they like, manipulated, right? That seemed to genuinely. But also, if you know, someone's making a documentary about something, I mean, so you know, you're gonna maybe be defensive, so I get it. Churcher. I really, I'm the same. I loved it. I thought the music was great. I loved all the people he talked to. And one line really stood out to me was when Emilio said, in real time, not in a movie, but in real time. He said, We have no control of how we're remembered. Yeah. Wow. Wow, dang, that is so true. And if you're a Hamilton fan, no control. Who lives who dies? Who tells your story? Yeah. And you know, it's such a good reminder that how we're remembered, first of all, but how we're perceived correct? We can't control you have zero control of what they say or think about us. Because you know, what I think about when when people say stuff like that, you know, you can think about people like you and I see each other all the time, we see each other quite frequently a couple of times a week, usually, and but I could have an interaction with someone, and on my worst day ever, we're in the worst mood. And that's going to be their perception of me, I may never cross our path again. And they're going to be like that was that bitchy lady with the pink hair? Right? And so you can't control it. And so you want people to remember you for your whole self. But you have to be okay, that you may not be some of that's out of your control. It is and but all of it, you can't control. Right, totally. And you and I just like recently were talking about this was something specific to my life. And me saying, Yeah, I had an off day or week or whatever. And I think it has affected this thing. Yeah. And me, that was a real time moment for me to be like, but I can't change that happened, or, or potentially what the fallout from that has. Yeah. And so I just have to keep moving forward. You know, and they do say like, and I try to remember this. If I have a encounter with someone who's rude to me, or whatever I try to remember. Try to think of, like, if you only meet know, people for their worst moment, that's not fair. Right? Like, we were talking about this just now. You know, we're like, okay, yeah, COVID fraud, but also, but also it was trying to help this also good thing happened. And not everyone is going to have a holistic picture of us. Even if they see us every day with a crack, there are people that are still going to be like, Oh, I don't like her. Right? You know, or this person's like that. And they're always gonna think it no matter how many times after that they see you. And you're not like, right, they're gonna think that and I tried hard not to be that way to other people. I'm always trying to add to, you have to be careful, because you have to protect yourself from people who are toxic or facts, trying to hurt you actively. But like that, and I think this was such a this to me, also was a reminder that like words matter. Yeah. And for us to be like us. I mean, society collectively. Like you said, kind of earlier in the episode, you're like, Oh, come on, like Hollywood. People who cares? Like right movies. Some of you have written that. I know that feelings are valid. Yeah. And words do hurt. They do. Yeah. And when you have a whole culture against you, right. It does impact lives. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I thought it was great. If you haven't seen it. Yeah. Hopefully, like we really haven't spoiled much like, I mean, you'll have to get to the end. And little thing at the end. But see what you think. Yeah. So even if you're younger, I would imagine you've heard of or maybe seen parts of the Breakfast Club. You'll appreciate that. Because it really is a little bit of a snapshot in time is yeah, for those of you who love some of the stuff we mentioned, it is like a time capsule. It's so much fun. Fun. So Oh, before before we go then bless you. Before we go let's chat about that. So I know as we know, I am the one who watched the most TV and movie has been established. Yes, but I'm dying to know of the Brat Pack movies that you have seen. Yes. Tell us some of them that you have seen and which one you like the most. Okay, so I have seen Breakfast Club. Okay. I have seen Pretty in Pink and 16 candles. I don't think I've I know I haven't seen saying that I was fire. I know Ferris Bueller's Day Off I guess isn't included in that. But I have seen that when many times. I did you see class? No, I've never seen. I've seen the outsiders. Okay, I saw that like in school with me. Right? Me too. Because we read the book. Yeah. I think I can't think of others. Well, okay, so technically not. It's like brought package Jason did it. Have you seen Weird Science? No. But I remember you saying you love that movie. So when they showed it? I was like, Oh my God. He likes that movie. It is very problem. Okay. But Anthony Michael Hall is that some of his best in that in that Okay, okay. Okay. i We talked about this a little bit with Carlos like, I'm a big Anthony Michael Hall fan. I just thought he was so funny. I love humor. And like, he was so funny. Great. So funny. Yeah, I mean, I've seen almost all of them. I haven't seen I think, Oh, my computer went bye bye. Oh, oh, gosh, I went to sleep. As it is. Here we are. We're in business. I of course, I used to have on VCR tape, Breakfast Club and 16 candles, pretty all of that they all came to college with me too. And those mostly John Hughes movies is what I would put on when I was working on papers or like, you know, stuff on in the background. Yeah. So and Breakfast Club. I swear if I'm ever looking at like we have Hulu live. So that's the closest I get to like channel surfing. Yeah. If it's ever on anywhere, I will stop and watch it. Yeah, we went on a weekend trip to St. Augustine, like as a family back in the fall or whenever that was, what was that? I don't even know. And we're going to bed and like I turn the TV on. And it was on. I was like, I'm watching this. Yeah, sure, just like we've seen this. But you know, we all have movies like that. And a random little side note, my mom who we never watched this kind of stuff when I was growing up, like ever. But once I was like a teenager, and my brothers were a little older, and she went back to work, she was a, like a counselor in the juvenile detention system. So she would work with incarcerated young men who it was kind of a prison like it was minimal security. Like they had to come there for a couple months and like sleep there. And it was like out on a farm and stuff. And so she would meet with all of them to talk about their future and make sure they were on track for school and stuff like that. And she loved fell in love with breakfast club that and so that would have been like, late 90s, early 2000s. And she would show that movie to them. And they would watch it, you know, and she would always talk about like, how much they loved it because by then that like group of young people hadn't necessarily seen it, right. Some of them had, you know, in some of them, especially at that time had come from homes where maybe they didn't watch a lot of movies, or they didn't have access to cable or TV or whatever. So she she would always talk about it. I was like you like that movie. And she's like, that made me so great. My favorite character, so and so. And I'm like, wow, this is wild. Right. But I think the thing about the Breakfast Club, and you know what we're gonna as I was watching that, I was like, we may have to do episodes, like on each movie, by themselves. Like that could be a whole maybe that should be our next nostalgic problematic. Sure. That'd be fun, fun idea anyway, we could do a whole thing on them. But the reason why I think people love the Breakfast Club so much is because the whole point of it is to you don't really know people based on their label. That's the whole point. The whole point. Yeah. And you miss out on things if you do that. If you don't leave room to get to know people. And also don't leave room for people who have a label to maybe evolve out of that label as well. Also, that's especially important for young people, correct? Yeah. And random piece of trivia. I don't know if this is real, because I didn't go down a huge fact check. But a couple of articles. I saw it in a couple spots. I'm hoping maybe it is because this is so cool. And as an actor, you'll appreciate this. Yeah. You have seen Breakfast Club, right? Yes, I have. I've seen that one. So the scene where they're doing they're like in their circle when they're doing their confessions. Yes. improvised. Really, I don't know for sure. Let me clarify. Again, I'm not sure if that's true. But what I read in a couple articles was that John Hughes told each person, the main reason their character was in detention, okay, okay, like, here's why. Right. Okay. And it was their job to come up with the story around it. Wow. And I kind of believe that because I know I've read other things about John Hughes, that he he really appreciated young people's opinions. and thoughts and he gave them a lot of freedom and character interpretation and stuff like that. So from what I've read about him, I could totally see that but like, that's one of the most powerful scenes in the movie. And to think that even if just parts of it were improvised by these young actors, yeah. Wow. And that really just kind of underlines, underscores what made me mad up in the documentary that that these were very thoughtful. Yeah. Hardworking, collaborative, creative, young performers. Yeah. And to just be kind of like trivialized the way that it was, is upsetting. And that's a good example. Now, I don't know if that's true. 100%? Yeah. I just say things about his movies. So I wouldn't read even if even even if it was just someone even if they worked with the writers. Correct. Like go write your scene with so and so. And they have them, like just having their input. And I think from a filmmakers perspective, how smart is that? That's so smart, because you're gonna sound more like a teenager than like a 40 year old trying to sound like a teenager. And I, I mean, I've done improv, you've done improv? Yeah, improv is not easy, everyone. I think improv, at times can be easier than scripted. But only if it's comedy. I feel like yeah, improv comedy is fairly easier than improv drama. Oh, gosh, I don't know if you agree with Billy. As a performer. That's my opinion. So I can't even imagine being that young. filming a movie. Yeah. With John Hughes at the time, who was huge. I mean, he still is an icon of that time. And being told, okay, you're gonna do some dramatic improv? Yeah. And being able to do it. And I think it speaks to, to the type of culture Yeah, that he created. You know, again, there's some problematic things in this film. I know a few years ago, Molly Ringwald came out to speak about some problematic scenes that Oh, yeah. So yeah, we're not saying that, like Calderon uses like, no an angel and saying we should put them on a pedestal. But it speaks to the culture of the way a lot of these films were made. Yeah. Which really was like, We would like the creative input of these young people and our talent, and we're only going to hire talent who are willing to do those things. And, and, and have that creativity in them not just once her like, oh, and be Star give me my paycheck, right. But the other way around. And I think that's why these movies are so engaging. And so even now, yeah, you watch the storylines. And you're like, Oh, I feel that. I mean, I wouldn't now, but like my kids. Oh, sure. But you can remember, and I think that's why these movies stand the test of time is because that sense of nostalgia, right? Totally, even though we weren't teenagers during the 80s. Okay. When we watch these movies, we were close to teenage years, probably. Yeah, either a little bit past or a little bit before like me. But I think that's the weird, the nostalgia lies. That's why we love to go rewatch Dawson's Creek or can hardly wait, which by the way, is becoming a Broadway musical. Oh my god. We're so excited. What? We'll talk about that another day. He's coming with us. Oh, my God. Let Carlos well, he already invited himself Amanda, you're coming? Oh, yeah. Her chin. Okay. Anyway, anyway, another another rant Abbas and Abby, seriously, I'm just kidding. We don't have any money. Anyway, anything else on the documentary? No, I just think just watch it. Again. Like Danny said, at the top of the episode, this wasn't aren't necessarily our own deep delve into the Rat Pack. Although, you know, we'd be doing some research. Yeah, this was more like not a review. But like an overview of the document documentary. And there's obviously more to say beyond that. So you know, I would say maybe that's a good jumping off point. Yeah, people and then if you're like, really interested in it, watch some movies, read some of the books, some of these actors have written in some of the authors that are in the documentary on maybe look up their books, and you know, kind of immerse yourself and like, what it all meant, and also like, what's the lesson of this, the lesson is, Don't lump a bunch of people together, right? Or if you are lumped into a group that you don't want to be in, don't stay there. Don't you don't want to don't let it define you. Because you can certainly rise above and anyway. Awesome. Well, thanks, everyone. Yeah, the same generation in between Xenial and we had xennials adjacent topics today. If you liked what you listen to, please leave us a review. Also, we have you on all of our social media, a spot where you can suggest episodes. If you want to email us it's not very long email generation in between podcast@gmail.com or just send us a message on socials. That's where we get most of them. 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